There’s a part very early in the book where Limmy describes a childhood memory. Two kids one after the other walking past a window smile and wave at the adults inside. The adults smile and wave back both times. Kid Limmy thinks this is great, it made him happy to see, so Limmy walks up and smiles and waves. The adults expression drops and they stop waving. Limmy feels like there must be something inherently wrong with him that he didn’t deserve this same affection, as a bit of a loner and feeling like a square peg on top of this he carries this through his early life and always has a feeling that he might be a bit of a freak, inferior or made wrong in some way. In hindsight Limmy realises the adults were probably just the parents of the kids and didn’t know Limmy assumed he was waving at someone behind them, after all why would a kid wave at someone else’s parents. Now a father, Limmy waves to his son when he drops him off at school, and sometimes he sees that other kids are waving and smiling in his direction (probably at their parents). Everytime, even after his son turns around and walks towards school, he carries on his smile and wave a few seconds longer just in case a kid is waving at him by mistake, just in case there’s a kid like Limmy in that crowd and he wouldn’t want them to ever feel the hurt that he felt, he waves longer so that kid knows they’re okay just the way that they are, that they matter… And these classist, ignorant, emotionally limited, misanthropic scumbags say there’s nothing in the book they can empathise with or find any sympathy with Limmy.
Thank you so much for that excerpt - that really sounds like something I'd like to read; it takes a special kind of emotional retardation not to be touched by that.
Lloyd Cole is even aware of his own incompetence when he asks "should I go and look at youtube now so I can read this book better" the answer to that as a book reviewer is yes. Then goes on to say "As a book it should be able to stand on its own legs", which would be true if it weren't a biography and was for instance, Harry Potter.
@@Rex1987 Nothing to do with the fact it's Radio. Apart from the beyond parody accents, the way Harriet Gilbert and Lloyd Cole talk about Limmy having a "certain intelligence" or whatever it is they say absolutely reeks of classicism, which Limmy points out. They're effectively saying "well he's not as intelligent as us, obviously". If you can listen to that radio clip and genuinely not detect any upper class attitude, I genuinely don't know what to tell you haha. Also love that they just blatantly state they have no empathy for him. No empathy is requirement of being a Tory innit?
@@jackjude it’s also rather advisable for an autobiography to not have a plot either, i just found it a weird point of criticism for a book about someone’s life and struggles
@@kdburner7356 why do you say that? If you're not familiar with literature, try to imagine a biopic or documentary without a plot. There is no connection with a "plot" with fiction, it remains a structural device whether the story is true or not.
The sheer arrogance of Lloyd Cole reading somebody's autobiography and saying 'well I managed to do this, I overcame that, so I felt no sympathy' is mind-blowing.
"He has an intelligence of a certain kind". Ohh! The stench of privilege and arrogance. Classic Radio 4. The hilarious thing is that they actually think they ARE superior. Christ. haha Loved the listing of Lloyd Cole's failed musical releases.
@@F--B I'm not too sure mate. If you worked in a poncy middle class school you'd be amazed at the stupidity. I went to private school and it was full of heavily coached retards that are only where they are because of money
Yeah but limmy, maybe next time you write your biography, be sure to add more character arcs and other narrative devices- if you had more integrity you would realise that candour and honesty has no place in this medium. Space battles and super heroes are fairly popular atm aswell, maybe you could squeeze some of that in also. You and your certain type of intelligence. No need to reply, I already understand every facet of your life and what you might say because I used flash once in the 90s.
2:56 “Long suffering woman called Lynn”. I love Limmys reaction to that. Trying not to crack up from laughter and whilst trying to down play he’s fucking fuming.
I read your autobiography due to this video and these radio presenters are full of mad shite. Loved it the whole way through. Fair play to you for being so brutally honest even when it makes you look like a ballbag. I related to a lot of the book so I'm probably one too Would love to meet you someday and have an awkward conversation where I dunno what to say. Cheers
That's the difference. Lloyd Cole is such a pseudo-intellectual he's terrified of coming across as unintelligent or incompetent in any way, shape or form. He thinks people will despise him if he ever lets his guard down for a moment, because that's how he treats others. In reality, it would just make him significantly more likeable and human.
“Revolted by his monumental self centredness”….. what a compliment Then summarises him as “a useless person, a useless father” she must be part of the community
"He suffers with depression, is suicidal.... anyway I didn't like him. I found him utterly without charm. There's an intelligence of a certain kind, but this autobiography documenting his life is too self-centred and linear". All you need for a job reviewing on Radio 4 is a posh enough accent it seems.
Ngl as a disabled person the part where they said you didn't ask for sympathy so they don't want to give it reeks of how" they " upper class DWP think about people. You can't be this individual going through a tough time you have to make yourself a broken mess and even then... Even then half the time you might if you're lucky and made them pity you even slightly, will award you the lowest benefit income.
The upper classes is also slang for anyone above you in class. In this case disabled ppl fall into lumpenproleteriat. So can be discriminated against by many.@@trivial50
I really enjoyed the book, found lots of it relatable and found it interesting how Limmy came to comedy. I think lots of limmys comedy is class conscious and he can allow us to laugh at the degradation some of us have faced. They don't get it, and they don't get how our environment can mould our our perception. Limmy should have been inspired by them not liking it. They won't fully understand the nuances of the sketches either. They should have reviewed a book by Wil Self instead.
It's a class thing. Lloyd was probably raised in a very soft middle class environment and went to a nice university filled with other soft middle class people. He can't come to terms with the fact that working class people are just as smart as him.
Love how offended Limmy is by Cole’s comment about “a certain intelligence”:) to be fair, it’s pretty insulting:) love ya Limmy. Don’t let the bastards get ya down:)
I would be very worried for Limmy if a washed-up songwriter with a put-on accent did like him! Great video Limmy. Gonna buy the book just because of this video!
Saw Lloyd Cole live and really enjoyed it. Had been a big fan for years and I’m only 22. He’s gone down in my estimation as a result of this. I’m less than half his age and I wouldn’t talk about anyone in that kind of condescending tone. Limmy is the king
@@shootermcgavin8793 the fact you've created this imaginary scenario in your head, and then wrote it down and press send is hilarious. At no point did you think " Nahhh this isn't remotely funny" hahahaha. You silly mug.
@@wackyadz06 you’ve just entered yourself into a comment that had nothing to do with you obviously I was joking about but you can’t do anything other then cry says a lot about you lad
It's a joke in't it? They are terrible folk for not understanding how life, they should walk a mile in his shoes. limmy even wrote a book to give them perspective o n his perspective and he couldn't find empathy. They just seemed like posh twats
To dismiss his autobiography in such a manner is frankly obnoxious. Plenty of other people write autobiographies "because they can"... and why shouldn't they? Just because Limmy's memoirs are of a poor, working class Glaswegian mans struggle with mental health issues, alcohol and drug addiction and feelings of inadequacy don't make it any less interesting than a story of debauchery, privilege and self indulgence like many other autobiographies. If anything it makes it more real. What Lloyd Bellend effectively is saying is that if your life is too mundane to peak his interest then you shouldn't document any of it. Well bollocks to him... Don't worry Limmy, your book was not meant for pretentious dickheads like them because they cannot empathise with your background or life struggles. I'm sure to people who can though, such as myself, your book is an excellent depiction. All the best big man!
Love how they'd rather assess your intelligence and character than to actually comment on the book itself. If you only read books if you like the main character or author then you must have a boring bookshelf. Besides people who rant about how they learnt how to become better people as opposed to someone else are almost always completely unaware of the same negative traits in themselves. Sometimes you can't change things about yourself, but you can learn how to handle them but you can't always destroy them completely.
I write under a pen name. I have written about 9 novels with hundreds of reviews. Most of them are 5 stars, but it's the 1 star reviews that wreck me every time. Especially when they are utter nonsense - like the tripe those three buffoons are spouting about Limmy's book. I don't mind valid criticism. In fact, I welcome it, but some people just go out of their way to be nasty. My books are fiction and I write under a pen name, but even then the spiteful reviews hurt deeply. Sometimes I can't write for weeks after reading one. With these people speaking about him in person and about a book he wrote about himself, I bet Limmy will be deeply hurt by those horrible people.
@Cameron180 I never associate my pen names with social media accounts. Too many people would leave me awful reviews just because of political comments I've made on other videos etc. I made that mistake early in my writing career, and mad leftists review bombed a whole series. I had to start a new pen name lol
@Ó Léanacháin no, but a few on the left have left me one star reviews for some of the jokes my characters make. Called me a few of the 'ist' words, which is ludicrous considering the tameness of the jokes.
Never once have I read a book and thought "this has to be somehow about me for me to find it interesting" If this statement reflects how Cole is in real life, then I find him utterly without charm and very very self absorbed
Lloyd Cole typifies pretence and always . My mate remembers him walking up the street when he was famous reading a book . Like novel open trying to full reading on byres Road with book open dodging people as he reads .. entirely for show
@@JeansWebbTv I wouldn't fucking know, I don't listen to 'LC'. I'm obviously quoting Limmy, I found that sentence hilarious and quoted it. I have no bearing on Lloyd Cole or his career in any context other than this video. So wether it bombs or not, it wont make this video any less funny to me. Please don't waste any more of your own time defending someone you're a fan of to the uninterested
@@christopherboggon9054 Take it easy, not really 'defending' anyone here, just stating a fact. Yes, I've listened quite a lot to LC's music (and met him many years ago - he was very nice), still I feel for Limmy, and I agree with some of his reactions. Still, they are reviewing a book - that should fly on its own merits - and (more relevant here) if LC's album bombed or not is not that relevant, even if one can joke about it (the Lemmi crowd sure are not ready to listen to LC with an open mind coming from this video :) )
Not true for Animals either, though. It's just a lack of Human understanding and perspective on other species' intelligence. What we keep seeing and learning with more and more research and study is all living beings are conscious and intelligent. Not just of a certain kind, either. Even though all individuals do express intelligence in their own way, it is equally intellectual.
Why the fuck is Lloyd Cole reviewing books on Radio 4? Mind you, if you hear what passes for comedy on Radio 4 then getting a commission is most likely a case of who you know, not what you know.
First time I've seen it, it's pretty shocking like. That massive silence when Cole said "intelligence of a certain kind" even the other radio 4 farts couldn't quite belive the state of that
Limmy is a genius - watch this all the way through - just hear what he does with the review … skipping to the end is not the solution - but .. for some it is the answer … and you will laugh.
Eton should be turned into a zoo where your average person can come spectate the most out of touch, most entitled and horrifically traumatized humans on Earth.
I don't mind saying it: Limmy seems highly relatable. A sensitive lad who grew up in the harsh social environment of the '70s and '80s and has developed an acute cynicism as a defense mechanism. That is very, very human indeed. I hope he's finding peace in his older years, now that he's fucked off any interest in winning anyone's approval. It's yourself that you need to love...
Theyre posh. I'm from the same background as you and can totally relate . It made me realise many people feel the same way as me. Your working class and we are passionate and arent afraid to show our emotions unlike public school people I've known. Lloyd Cole was famous for one tune but he's in their club because he's posh. If I ever see him I'm going to get him at dinnertime..😂
I don't think he was being petty tbh, the reviewers were tearing him a new one because they're upper class snobs and Limmy being pissed off by a bunch of Tory wanks acting like they're better than him is pretty justified.
How is he petty? These are classist scum!! They have no grip on society! They deserve to be forced to live a year on the sole and watch their ideology get shattered. If I was limmy I would have been offended as F.
This review, and the depth to which they simply don't get it, reminds me of the music video for Bitter Sweet Symphony. These classist morons would watch that music video thinking "Why is the singer pushing all those pedestrians out the way like they're not there??? That's not very likeable!!! I can't empathise with that!!!" Even though the whole point of the song is symbolic, and it means to stop trying to please others, or fit into the box people try to put you in. Be an honest person, and live life for yourself, be yourself, not who others wish you to be. etc. If you're sick of your job, look for a new job or career. If you're a victim of peer pressure, stop letting people influence you. If you're gay or trans or whatever, come out the closet rather than conform to how bigots wish you to be. And that symbolism, and deeper meaning... of pushing people out the way as you walk through life, is what gives you empathy for the singer in that music video, because those people symbolise all the obstacles of his happiness, and pursuit of a meaningful life. And that is what Limmy has done with his book too. It's not a book written for other people, it's a book written for Limmy. And others can take it or leave it, rather than musing about their own personal approval or disapproval his character (as if anyone should give a f---). He's not asking to be liked, he's just being happy and honest, and is living the life he wants to live. There's a difference between making others happy, and being happy yourself. And comedians especially are acutely aware of the distinction as some have famously suffered with depression. And tbh, Limmy being an honest, genuine person, to me, makes him a very likeable person too, since its an enviable quality. Shame that's missed on these classist, smooth-brained toffs.
Must have been a real treat for radio 4 listeners to find out the incredible Loyd Cole was going to be on that day 🤔... Remember him ? ...he wrote that song called ...um ...what's it called again and his other unforgettable hits ....em ....thingy and whatcha call it 😂. Keep the hits coming loyd🤣
I don't think the Scottish drummer and lady presenter, whoever she is, were that unfair - they mainly just had observations. This Lloyd Cole guy on the other hand, Jesus lord.....
Yeah, the host and Lloyd Cole were a couple c**ts, but don't forget the 3rd reviewer, Francis McDonald. The book was his choice for the programme and he chose it because he loved it!
TORY WENKERS Hahahaha YASSSSSSS! *A man's reach should exceed his grasp!* You belter! They need a slapping! Classist P.O.S! It's like we are lesser beings and they are discussing our natural habitat or smth. SMH.
@@wetwhistlinwillyjohnson5743 no they don't lmao you are dunce. They are blatant tories. Labour is working class, the average labour voter comes from bread and butter council estates. You don't know wtf you are talking about. Probably a butthurt Tory who is getting upset at being called out for it
@@wetwhistlinwillyjohnson5743 Delusional. Cmon mate why do you feel the need to defend the Tories. They have nothing but contempt for us regular, human folk
Steady-on, kiddas. The Tories are as bad. Never defended the Tories, my old cock. It’s the ‘leftie luvvies’ all over with how that pair are in the interview.
Just from an academic point of view the reviews are generally weak. The worst of it is the criticism that Limmy appears to have wrote the book for the sake of it; how could he possibly know this knowing nothing of the circumstance of it. Worse though is that their review is simply boring
I'm surprised they can say all these things about the book showing honesty and self-violence and a realistic human person who isn't trying to make you like him, and then complain like you shouldn't have that in a book. So maybe its audience is only people who are interested in Limmy in the first place, how are these smartasses going to act like the book shouldn't be around because the guy in it isn't friendly enough!?
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There’s a part very early in the book where Limmy describes a childhood memory.
Two kids one after the other walking past a window smile and wave at the adults inside. The adults smile and wave back both times. Kid Limmy thinks this is great, it made him happy to see, so Limmy walks up and smiles and waves. The adults expression drops and they stop waving.
Limmy feels like there must be something inherently wrong with him that he didn’t deserve this same affection, as a bit of a loner and feeling like a square peg on top of this he carries this through his early life and always has a feeling that he might be a bit of a freak, inferior or made wrong in some way.
In hindsight Limmy realises the adults were probably just the parents of the kids and didn’t know Limmy assumed he was waving at someone behind them, after all why would a kid wave at someone else’s parents.
Now a father, Limmy waves to his son when he drops him off at school, and sometimes he sees that other kids are waving and smiling in his direction (probably at their parents).
Everytime, even after his son turns around and walks towards school, he carries on his smile and wave a few seconds longer just in case a kid is waving at him by mistake, just in case there’s a kid like Limmy in that crowd and he wouldn’t want them to ever feel the hurt that he felt, he waves longer so that kid knows they’re okay just the way that they are, that they matter…
And these classist, ignorant, emotionally limited, misanthropic scumbags say there’s nothing in the book they can empathise with or find any sympathy with Limmy.
Thank you so much for that excerpt - that really sounds like something I'd like to read; it takes a special kind of emotional retardation not to be touched by that.
This story immediately made me go back to that sketch in limmy's show with kids waving from the bus.
That is a great reply. Well done.
Lloyd and Limmy both had to master the nuances of Macromedia Flash around the same time. There's an unbreakable bond there.
They both have intelligence of a certain kind, one might say.
ah yes flash, that indecipherable software only the greatest minds can operate.
@@MrJamesyboi121 If Macromedia Flash was around in 1969, The Beatles would still be together.
Such a beautiful and, as he says, empathetic realisation. Only a fine mind would have found that observation. Amazing show.
Then along came Adobe with all their money, to ruin everything.
I had to look up Lloyd Cole. Someone updated his Wikipedia page to reflect his Macromedia Flash credentials 🤣
Aye, Limmy.
Amazing
I've been a life-long Lloyd Cole fan and I'd never heard of Limmy.
@@stephenhawkingsfootballboo7885 - the lad from Motorhead. Voice like sandpaper.
@@InParticularNobody Ah, yes. I didn't recognize him without the mustache, warts and the fact that he's dead.
The reek of upper class ignorance coming off this video is deadly
Lloyd Cole is even aware of his own incompetence when he asks "should I go and look at youtube now so I can read this book better" the answer to that as a book reviewer is yes. Then goes on to say "As a book it should be able to stand on its own legs", which would be true if it weren't a biography and was for instance, Harry Potter.
True. Shamefully out of touch snobs. I bet they love the smell of their own farts. Especially the dame
how is this "upper class" just because its from a radio show or what?
@@Rex1987 Spit spot. You're one of em lol
@@Rex1987 Nothing to do with the fact it's Radio. Apart from the beyond parody accents, the way Harriet Gilbert and Lloyd Cole talk about Limmy having a "certain intelligence" or whatever it is they say absolutely reeks of classicism, which Limmy points out. They're effectively saying "well he's not as intelligent as us, obviously". If you can listen to that radio clip and genuinely not detect any upper class attitude, I genuinely don't know what to tell you haha. Also love that they just blatantly state they have no empathy for him. No empathy is requirement of being a Tory innit?
The woman is shocked by the description of violent scenes, and that's without being exposed to Limmy's Minecraft content.
could you imagine the reaction to 'Killing villagers: The Triple Drop'
hahahaha someone has made a youtube playlist titled 'limmy killing villagers
'
BUILDING BRICKS!!
OOOOOH, YER DADDY'S ON FIIIIRE
Lloyd's tone makes it sound like he's talking about a fictional character, rather than a real person.
he probably doesn’t know what an autobiography is he was talking about the “plot” wit???
100%
@@kdburner7356 It's rather advisable for an autobiography have a plot, wtf?
@@jackjude it’s also rather advisable for an autobiography to not have a plot either, i just found it a weird point of criticism for a book about someone’s life and struggles
@@kdburner7356 why do you say that? If you're not familiar with literature, try to imagine a biopic or documentary without a plot. There is no connection with a "plot" with fiction, it remains a structural device whether the story is true or not.
The improv story at the end of this video is fantastic. Shows an intelligence, of a certain kind.
Was just about greetin 😂😂😂
A certain kind yes.
“Looking forward to your next album Lloyd Cole………. better be good”
that absolutely killed me off 😂
It'll be better than whatever shit this Limmy hack does.
@@drbosommd oops, found lloyds burner
@@IvarTheBoneless101 nah I'm not Lloyd.
I wish I had his talent.
this is brutal, poor fella - total mediocre tossers reducing him down to their reaction of one of his books
Cole's written some good songs though
@@F--B Namely?
@@properplank6729 Rattlesnakes, Perfect Skin, 2cv.
Being judged by people less entertaining than you. Worthless opinions
@@F--B All garbage.
The sheer arrogance of Lloyd Cole reading somebody's autobiography and saying 'well I managed to do this, I overcame that, so I felt no sympathy' is mind-blowing.
One would expect the contrary too. Like Cole would be able to relate more because he knows how hard it was to do.
"He has an intelligence of a certain kind". Ohh! The stench of privilege and arrogance. Classic Radio 4. The hilarious thing is that they actually think they ARE superior. Christ. haha Loved the listing of Lloyd Cole's failed musical releases.
Lloyd Cole’s wiki page 😂
It’s embarrassing. Saying it as if he is a paragon of intelligence himself.
He's got a sort of intelligence
"and he finds something that he's comfortable with", I listened to that bit like five times, the fucking condescension man
I mean if you just look on the surface he seems like the ego king. Coyle just needed to have the tiniest bit of "A sort of intelligence"
They always used to say that about Shaun Ryder.
Working class people are generally more thick though, let's face it
@@F--B I'm not too sure mate. If you worked in a poncy middle class school you'd be amazed at the stupidity. I went to private school and it was full of heavily coached retards that are only where they are because of money
Yeah but limmy, maybe next time you write your biography, be sure to add more character arcs and other narrative devices- if you had more integrity you would realise that candour and honesty has no place in this medium.
Space battles and super heroes are fairly popular atm aswell, maybe you could squeeze some of that in also.
You and your certain type of intelligence.
No need to reply, I already understand every facet of your life and what you might say because I used flash once in the 90s.
Lol
Lloyd Cole thinks he’s awe that. I doubt he lost 3 year of his life tae heroine and 5 years on a meth program that wiz supposed tae keep him aff it.
@@easty2323 Ah, sorry then, as you were.
fokin.. aye
Och the noo, Jimmy
Well he did hae a lost weekend in a hotel in Amsterdam
No, he didn't. He was a bit brighter than that.
2:56 “Long suffering woman called Lynn”. I love Limmys reaction to that. Trying not to crack up from laughter and whilst trying to down play he’s fucking fuming.
was that not how Limmy referred to Lynn in the book or something??? there’s no way these snobby cunts just came out and said that haha
😂👍👍
Jesus Christ I don't think I've ever heard of a bunch of people so out of touch with the common man before.
I just finished the video and I'm deeply satisfied with limmy's response.
I know, the common man definitely has a certain kind of intelligence
@@kdburner7356 r/woooooshhh
@@pauljames1807 oh mate i’m stoned as fuck… who looks like a tit now that line was used atleast 20 times this video hahahah
Lloyd's a golfer. All you need to know.
‘Intelligence of a certain kind’ is the gift that keeps on giving.
I read your autobiography due to this video and these radio presenters are full of mad shite. Loved it the whole way through. Fair play to you for being so brutally honest even when it makes you look like a ballbag. I related to a lot of the book so I'm probably one too
Would love to meet you someday and have an awkward conversation where I dunno what to say. Cheers
That's the difference. Lloyd Cole is such a pseudo-intellectual he's terrified of coming across as unintelligent or incompetent in any way, shape or form. He thinks people will despise him if he ever lets his guard down for a moment, because that's how he treats others. In reality, it would just make him significantly more likeable and human.
Cole hasn’t been relevant since 1982.
Only thing I related to was his sexual inadequacy 🎉
“Revolted by his monumental self centredness”….. what a compliment
Then summarises him as “a useless person, a useless father” she must be part of the community
shes down at the soup kitchens erryday
she's a reincarnation of Thatcher who bears some residual resentment from her past life
Shouldn't an autobiography be a tad self centered?
"He suffers with depression, is suicidal.... anyway I didn't like him. I found him utterly without charm. There's an intelligence of a certain kind, but this autobiography documenting his life is too self-centred and linear".
All you need for a job reviewing on Radio 4 is a posh enough accent it seems.
“This long suffering woman called Lynn.”
Hahahahaha
He only concedes Limmy has “intelligence” Cus Limmy went to college as well, the only radio 4 metric apparently
It's not a valid criticism to call an autobiography "self-centered". That's the whole point of it!
She said he was self centered, not the book.
@@remotefaith she was referring to the version of him portrayed in the autobiography. She doesn't actually know him outside the book.
Ngl as a disabled person the part where they said you didn't ask for sympathy so they don't want to give it reeks of how" they " upper class DWP think about people. You can't be this individual going through a tough time you have to make yourself a broken mess and even then... Even then half the time you might if you're lucky and made them pity you even slightly, will award you the lowest benefit income.
Department of Work and Pensions ?
how is anyone who works for the dwp upper class?
The upper classes is also slang for anyone above you in class. In this case disabled ppl fall into lumpenproleteriat. So can be discriminated against by many.@@trivial50
The UK welfare state is massive. You can get permanent welfare for being socially awkward. And what even is ruling class ideology?@@pjl8119
@@trivial50eh not on the ground level but the policy makers will be upper class for sure
I really enjoyed the book, found lots of it relatable and found it interesting how Limmy came to comedy. I think lots of limmys comedy is class conscious and he can allow us to laugh at the degradation some of us have faced. They don't get it, and they don't get how our environment can mould our our perception. Limmy should have been inspired by them not liking it. They won't fully understand the nuances of the sketches either. They should have reviewed a book by Wil Self instead.
You definitely have a certain kind of intelligence - Lloyd Cole reading this comment 😂
There is a linearity to Lloyd Cole's entire career that is 'just tedious,' actually...
criticising someone's life story for being too linear is brilliant
They got a reaction outta ye! ye gotta give em tha ye given em exactly wot they wanted
Aye but we all got a funny video and I doubt tossers like those people really want a reaction
"The book should stand on it's own"
It's a biography, sir. Not a novel. Who the heck reads a biography about somebody they never heard about before???
“Needless to say, I had the last laugh.”- Alan Partridge.
It's a class thing. Lloyd was probably raised in a very soft middle class environment and went to a nice university filled with other soft middle class people. He can't come to terms with the fact that working class people are just as smart as him.
Dude, I think that was the bravest thing. It is unbearable to read reviews let alone listen while you know you're being filmed. Kudos.
"I couldn't get myself to be part of the equation."
OOF! That is Prime Time!
Love how offended Limmy is by Cole’s comment about “a certain intelligence”:) to be fair, it’s pretty insulting:) love ya Limmy. Don’t let the bastards get ya down:)
To be fair? Its about as insulting as it gets, treating someone like a nat geo exhibit
Translation: ''ha ha poor person dumb dumb ha ha''. Basically.
I would be very worried for Limmy if a washed-up songwriter with a put-on accent did like him! Great video Limmy. Gonna buy the book just because of this video!
Really shows that people only like honesty when they like what the person is saying
Is that surprising?
It depends on who the messenger of that honesty is. Honesty is the truth of what is on a person's mind, not necessarily the truth of the matter.
Just listened to this Lloyd Cole's music, ironically it sounds like Limmy pissing around making synthpop.
Mmm nah. Lloyd Cole and the commotions are a great band. He sounds like a twat here, though
@@nicck lmao no
@@nicck calm doon with your granddad guitar rock hen
Saw Lloyd Cole live and really enjoyed it. Had been a big fan for years and I’m only 22. He’s gone down in my estimation as a result of this. I’m less than half his age and I wouldn’t talk about anyone in that kind of condescending tone. Limmy is the king
Wow 22 and your off at normal people gigs I’m 21 off out raving of my nut on ket on the train home wearing a traffic cone, I don’t know how you do it
@@shootermcgavin8793 You're too cool
@@wackyadz06 yeah your mums an avid goer aswel she’ll do a lot for half a gram
@@shootermcgavin8793 the fact you've created this imaginary scenario in your head, and then wrote it down and press send is hilarious.
At no point did you think " Nahhh this isn't remotely funny" hahahaha. You silly mug.
@@wackyadz06 you’ve just entered yourself into a comment that had nothing to do with you obviously I was joking about but you can’t do anything other then cry says a lot about you lad
Shes turned the torys against us!
It’s a class thing. Smart for the working class.
He got a reaction out of ye, you’ve got to give him that! Ye played right intae his hands!
It's a joke in't it? They are terrible folk for not understanding how life, they should walk a mile in his shoes. limmy even wrote a book to give them perspective o n his perspective and he couldn't find empathy. They just seemed like posh twats
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Lloyd Cole lacks the intelligence to critique a book without being condescending or offensive.
People reading an autobiography and still somehow trying to make it about themselves.
To dismiss his autobiography in such a manner is frankly obnoxious. Plenty of other people write autobiographies "because they can"... and why shouldn't they?
Just because Limmy's memoirs are of a poor, working class Glaswegian mans struggle with mental health issues, alcohol and drug addiction and feelings of inadequacy don't make it any less interesting than a story of debauchery, privilege and self indulgence like many other autobiographies. If anything it makes it more real. What Lloyd Bellend effectively is saying is that if your life is too mundane to peak his interest then you shouldn't document any of it. Well bollocks to him...
Don't worry Limmy, your book was not meant for pretentious dickheads like them because they cannot empathise with your background or life struggles. I'm sure to people who can though, such as myself, your book is an excellent depiction. All the best big man!
This must have really shaken Lloyd. He's still not released another album.
Love how they'd rather assess your intelligence and character than to actually comment on the book itself. If you only read books if you like the main character or author then you must have a boring bookshelf. Besides people who rant about how they learnt how to become better people as opposed to someone else are almost always completely unaware of the same negative traits in themselves. Sometimes you can't change things about yourself, but you can learn how to handle them but you can't always destroy them completely.
Limmy just turned into fuckin homelander
I write under a pen name. I have written about 9 novels with hundreds of reviews. Most of them are 5 stars, but it's the 1 star reviews that wreck me every time. Especially when they are utter nonsense - like the tripe those three buffoons are spouting about Limmy's book. I don't mind valid criticism. In fact, I welcome it, but some people just go out of their way to be nasty.
My books are fiction and I write under a pen name, but even then the spiteful reviews hurt deeply. Sometimes I can't write for weeks after reading one. With these people speaking about him in person and about a book he wrote about himself, I bet Limmy will be deeply hurt by those horrible people.
Sometimes these reviews didn't even read the book, don't bother
What’s your pen name?
@Cameron180 I never associate my pen names with social media accounts. Too many people would leave me awful reviews just because of political comments I've made on other videos etc. I made that mistake early in my writing career, and mad leftists review bombed a whole series. I had to start a new pen name lol
@@doglifehubhave mad right wing people ever review bombed your work?
@Ó Léanacháin no, but a few on the left have left me one star reviews for some of the jokes my characters make. Called me a few of the 'ist' words, which is ludicrous considering the tameness of the jokes.
Never once have I read a book and thought "this has to be somehow about me for me to find it interesting"
If this statement reflects how Cole is in real life, then I find him utterly without charm and very very self absorbed
I'm dying to read this book now! Sounds bloody amazing
WTF do you expect from BBC Radio 4? I mean really?
I expect ignorant snobs doing lame reviews like this.
Lloyd Cole typifies pretence and always . My mate remembers him walking up the street when he was famous reading a book . Like novel open trying to full reading on byres Road with book open dodging people as he reads .. entirely for show
This is almost at Partridge level intimacy.
‘Sitting down for a fucking year, writing 8 songs for a fucking album that bombs, is that intelligence?’
Possibly, Pet Sounds..The Velvets Banana album...Five Leaves Left, Would You Believe, etc.
What album bombed? Guesswork? It didn't. A pretty good one, as LC's releases usually are.
@@JeansWebbTv I wouldn't fucking know, I don't listen to 'LC'. I'm obviously quoting Limmy, I found that sentence hilarious and quoted it. I have no bearing on Lloyd Cole or his career in any context other than this video. So wether it bombs or not, it wont make this video any less funny to me. Please don't waste any more of your own time defending someone you're a fan of to the uninterested
@@christopherboggon9054 Take it easy, not really 'defending' anyone here, just stating a fact. Yes, I've listened quite a lot to LC's music (and met him many years ago - he was very nice), still I feel for Limmy, and I agree with some of his reactions.
Still, they are reviewing a book - that should fly on its own merits - and (more relevant here) if LC's album bombed or not is not that relevant, even if one can joke about it (the Lemmi crowd sure are not ready to listen to LC with an open mind coming from this video :) )
...and I would argue that it takes an intelligence of a certain kind to write & record a fairly good album.
I love uncontrollably laughing. When he said a rat has an intelligence of a certain kind 😂😂😂
Not true for Animals either, though. It's just a lack of Human understanding and perspective on other species' intelligence. What we keep seeing and learning with more and more research and study is all living beings are conscious and intelligent. Not just of a certain kind, either. Even though all individuals do express intelligence in their own way, it is equally intellectual.
Why the fuck is Lloyd Cole reviewing books on Radio 4? Mind you, if you hear what passes for comedy on Radio 4 then getting a commission is most likely a case of who you know, not what you know.
I listened to Lloyds album and he is technically writing songs
He has musical intelligence of a certain kind
@@rakino4418there is an awful linearity to it though.
look at that old man, smiling when his lady comes up. Even the crassest of grandpas can touch your heart ♥♥
I forgot how brutal this review was, fucking hell
First time I've seen it, it's pretty shocking like. That massive silence when Cole said "intelligence of a certain kind" even the other radio 4 farts couldn't quite belive the state of that
Limmy is a genius - watch this all the way through - just hear what he does with the review … skipping to the end is not the solution - but .. for some it is the answer … and you will laugh.
Eton should be turned into a zoo where your average person can come spectate the most out of touch, most entitled and horrifically traumatized humans on Earth.
Have you heard of the house of lords by any chance
Old Boris’ mental derangement stems largely from that institution.
So the honesty didn't impart much authenticity? Sounds like Cole read a pamphlet on what to say at a book club before coming on
But Limmy, "He's got perfect skin."
I don't mind saying it: Limmy seems highly relatable. A sensitive lad who grew up in the harsh social environment of the '70s and '80s and has developed an acute cynicism as a defense mechanism. That is very, very human indeed. I hope he's finding peace in his older years, now that he's fucked off any interest in winning anyone's approval. It's yourself that you need to love...
Truly angers me them divvys talking about the book. 'Intelligence of a certain kind'... what the fuck does that mean? Limmy you are the greatest ❤
R4: "And there's... A ... A kind of defiance there..."
Limmy: "No."
Theyre posh. I'm from the same background as you and can totally relate . It made me realise many people feel the same way as me. Your working class and we are passionate and arent afraid to show our emotions unlike public school people I've known. Lloyd Cole was famous for one tune but he's in their club because he's posh. If I ever see him I'm going to get him at dinnertime..😂
*you're
Petty Limmy is the best Limmy.
I don't think he was being petty tbh, the reviewers were tearing him a new one because they're upper class snobs and Limmy being pissed off by a bunch of Tory wanks acting like they're better than him is pretty justified.
How is he petty? These are classist scum!! They have no grip on society! They deserve to be forced to live a year on the sole and watch their ideology get shattered. If I was limmy I would have been offended as F.
@@anonymousxaela761 They're not 'upper class' dafty. More like z list inteligencia.
Just wait till they hear his techno covers
Best comment I've read so far
It's clearly a class issue
They just convinced me to read his book.
"I was revolted..."
*Limmy smiles*
HAHAHA, I would too. Imagine having your work reviewed by these stiff toff corpses :/
Certain kind of intelligence... like Tarzan.
This review, and the depth to which they simply don't get it, reminds me of the music video for Bitter Sweet Symphony. These classist morons would watch that music video thinking "Why is the singer pushing all those pedestrians out the way like they're not there??? That's not very likeable!!! I can't empathise with that!!!" Even though the whole point of the song is symbolic, and it means to stop trying to please others, or fit into the box people try to put you in. Be an honest person, and live life for yourself, be yourself, not who others wish you to be. etc. If you're sick of your job, look for a new job or career. If you're a victim of peer pressure, stop letting people influence you. If you're gay or trans or whatever, come out the closet rather than conform to how bigots wish you to be. And that symbolism, and deeper meaning... of pushing people out the way as you walk through life, is what gives you empathy for the singer in that music video, because those people symbolise all the obstacles of his happiness, and pursuit of a meaningful life. And that is what Limmy has done with his book too. It's not a book written for other people, it's a book written for Limmy. And others can take it or leave it, rather than musing about their own personal approval or disapproval his character (as if anyone should give a f---). He's not asking to be liked, he's just being happy and honest, and is living the life he wants to live. There's a difference between making others happy, and being happy yourself. And comedians especially are acutely aware of the distinction as some have famously suffered with depression.
And tbh, Limmy being an honest, genuine person, to me, makes him a very likeable person too, since its an enviable quality. Shame that's missed on these classist, smooth-brained toffs.
he has an intelligence of a certain kind.....
Limmy's done him badly there with the book publisher theory. That was a brutal mauling. No man's coming back from that in one piece.
the woman sounds like a victorian era person thats been resurrected and is trying to make sense of something from the 21st century.
Well, he got a reaction out of you, you’ve got to give him that
Classic 👏
Must have been a real treat for radio 4 listeners to find out the incredible Loyd Cole was going to be on that day 🤔... Remember him ? ...he wrote that song called ...um ...what's it called again and his other unforgettable hits ....em ....thingy and whatcha call it 😂. Keep the hits coming loyd🤣
I don't think the Scottish drummer and lady presenter, whoever she is, were that unfair - they mainly just had observations.
This Lloyd Cole guy on the other hand, Jesus lord.....
Yeah, the host and Lloyd Cole were a couple c**ts, but don't forget the 3rd reviewer, Francis McDonald. The book was his choice for the programme and he chose it because he loved it!
wow, the heartbreak on limmy's face is fucking devastating
Limmy mate, I've always thought you had intelligence. Of a certain kind.
At least you managed to quote it properly!
Lloyd Cole once slagged off The Fall - hilarious!
TORY WENKERS Hahahaha YASSSSSSS! *A man's reach should exceed his grasp!* You belter! They need a slapping! Classist P.O.S! It's like we are lesser beings and they are discussing our natural habitat or smth. SMH.
They sound more like folk from Labour, mate. Or no politics in particular, just Leftist out-of-touch clowns.
@@wetwhistlinwillyjohnson5743 no they don't lmao you are dunce. They are blatant tories. Labour is working class, the average labour voter comes from bread and butter council estates. You don't know wtf you are talking about. Probably a butthurt Tory who is getting upset at being called out for it
@@wetwhistlinwillyjohnson5743 Delusional. Cmon mate why do you feel the need to defend the Tories. They have nothing but contempt for us regular, human folk
@@wetwhistlinwillyjohnson5743 If you think they sound like labour I don't think you should be accusing anyone of being out of touch.
Steady-on, kiddas. The Tories are as bad. Never defended the Tories, my old cock. It’s the ‘leftie luvvies’ all over with how that pair are in the interview.
Lloyd "wan song" Cole? Diiiiiiick.
Just from an academic point of view the reviews are generally weak. The worst of it is the criticism that Limmy appears to have wrote the book for the sake of it; how could he possibly know this knowing nothing of the circumstance of it. Worse though is that their review is simply boring
they're barely even reviewing the actual book, just their own reactions to the book
@@StarscreamsGirl spot on, it’s not literary criticism, it’s just a case of how they feel.
Saying Limmy isn't charming is like saying the sky is red.
I'm surprised they can say all these things about the book showing honesty and self-violence and a realistic human person who isn't trying to make you like him, and then complain like you shouldn't have that in a book. So maybe its audience is only people who are interested in Limmy in the first place, how are these smartasses going to act like the book shouldn't be around because the guy in it isn't friendly enough!?
Do you think Lloyd cole goes to impoverished places in Africa and says that he can relate, because it reminds him of when he made his first album.
What makes Cole qualified. He had minor hits of commercial drivel in the eighties. Does this give him authority or insight into art and entertainment.
wikipedia says he was a philosophy/english double major for a few years in college......so clearly, he's an expert in literary criticism.
I listened to Lloyd Cole and the Commotions once, before. Some of the most boring rubbish I've ever had the misfortune to listen to.
Rattlesnakes is a great album.
Maybe Lloyd should have stuck to the Orange Juice. 😁
@@punklockets1563 You're confusing him with Edwyn Collins. What are they teaching kids in schools nowadays?
@@potbelliedfool Hihi. Thanks. Kinda get mixed up. Yeah Orange Juice were great. RIP it up...great acid squelch in. How very dare me.
@Jim Stevens Ahh. I hear you. I do wonder about myself sometimes lol
Lloyd Cole has an emotional intelligence of a certain kind
It’s so annoying that every time Francis tries to make a positive point in this the other two cut him off.
You can see it devastated Limmy hearing this.
Long suffering women
Brilliant, Limmy is the new Alan Partridge 🤣
Needless to say, he had the last laugh.
I loved Limmy's autobiography. But like most of Limmy's work, you either get it or you don't, I suppose.
Who the f buys a book on a bloke they have no idea existed
Listened to Lloyd Cole's music. Haha fucking woeful.
He’s got anger of a certain kind 😂👍🏻
Lloyd Cole was a pop star but Limmy will always be funny