Honda CBR 650F VS Kawasaki Z800 | Comparison Test | Autocar India
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Honda as recently added to the growing number of in-line fours in India, but can it keep pace with Kawasaki's segment best Z800? Kartikeya Singhee gets astride to find out.
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The smile on his face when he revs the Z800 shows it all!!
Did anyone notice...??? The licence plate no. Of the cbr is its name (F 650)
Syed Ismail yes I did
The guy who's bike it is.. has put in some real care. Passion shows
First guy who said z800 is more flickable than cbr :D
I own a z800 and i see so many comments from people who look at the weight on paper and decide its too heavy, your right it is a heavy bike but it is extremely rigid and planted, and when riding the weight is not an issue, it is extremely nimble and the mid range power is excellent. The cbr really doesn't feel special whatsoever they are extremely bland and really seem as if they are built purely as capable commuters but thats it, the z800 although not perfect feels as if it was built to be a genuinely good bike not something to fill hondas quota for a sporty commuter.
Jean-luc Cavill I am slightly concerned about the ride height. i was comfortable on the cbr650. is the z800's riding position higher? the video does say that th position is higher in the Z. but will that be an issue to short riders like me?
Sooraj Msr the z800 is high but im 5'7 and im pretty comfortable, the footpeg position is further forward than a cbr and so means for maneuvering the seat height isn't as much of a problem
Z800 works only if you are taller than 5'10". I am 5'7" and found Z800 to be bit tall and heavy on my tip-toes.
Considering that people who buy these bikes would be riding it on a long distance, stopping on uneven surfaces and may get tired at the end of the day, it is VERY important to have full control of the bike. The high seat position of Z800 did not give me that confidence. (considering the fact that I have Enfield 500 - which is also a heavy bike and I do quite a bit of touring)
The extra power of Z800 hardly make a difference in real life. (except when you are street racing). Z800 also suffers from lack of wind protection. Especially on day long rides or multi-day rides, the wind blast can take a big toll on the body. For such long rides Versys 650 would be better bike - but Honda CBR650F was a better package than versys 650.
So, in the end, I bought Honda CBR650F.
If you are 6' tall, and want to use the bike for short trips in-around the city, then Z800 is the bike in this class!
Arun Kottolli CBR650F is not suitable for long distances (I mean linger than 200-300kms trips) coz it vibrates like hell at touring speeds and seating position is not suitable...
RIDERS GOT TALENT which one is better for long ride
Why are we Indians treated with such disdain by the automobile manufacturers ? I mean look at the CBR 600 made for the European market and compare that with the one launched for India. Why is the design and build quality of the motorcycle so terrible for the Indian market ?
Do we pay a premium to get duped ?
I'm glad the reviewer pointed out how dated the CBR 600's design is. It's high time the reviewers in general call the manufacturers' bluff now.
We deserve the best.
Road quality should also be European which is not present in many parts of India due to terrain or climate hence the discrimination plus price and mileage is what most customer see so the manufacturers see that part basically we fund their r&d for better machines in Europe and abroad
Mohamed Shihab : The reason is obvious - Isn’t it ? India is a market for sub 250 CC Motorcycles and not Premium bikes..
With such a low volume of sales of Premium bikes, manufacturers can’t afford to localize the manufacture of the premium bikes in India. This results in most of the parts (or the entire unit) having to be imported which shoots up the price like hell !
It’s actually a chicken-egg issue.. Unless the prices are brought down (through localization), people aren’t going to buy Premium bikes... at the same time, unless people are going to buy premium bikes, manufacturers don’t dare to make a huge investment for localization !!
Are you confused with the 600rr and 650f??
The old cbr 600 f is much better than the new cbr 650 f. Honda did a backstep, less sport, less horsepower, less emotion. The Kawasaki Z800 is a goodlooking naked :-).
Nice review!
z 800 looks like monster. . Honda looks more dated
Harshad K thats because z 800 is a naked sport
Even CBR 250rr look better'than CBR 650f
The similarity is that both bikes have no bottom end torque. No fun in that at all
Z800 is love.... stunning design
Not sure why they didn't talk about the maintenance cost. The cost of z800 or Kawasaki is almost 3 times than Honda CBR. I ve CBR as well as Street Triple. The smoothness and refinement of Honda is way better than Kawasaki
why comparing different categories
shud have compared Honda 650F with Kawasaki ninja 650
that justifies the review
both these bikes are I4 whereas the Ninja 650 is parallel twin
+Aveen Sathyanath think the point was that the Honda was expensive enough to be compared with some bigger bikes of rival manufacturers..
Aveen Sathyanath dude..it's not abt that...it's being compared in the price range...i have a feeling cbr is overpriced...the fact is that u can get a better inline 4 at that price
800 kawa is more expensive...
9500€ kawa with ABS
8600€ cbr650f with ABS (22 hp less)
Definetly, this is not an equally comparision
Kawa 800 competitors are:
-Triumph street
-Suzuki gsx-s 750
-Ducati monster 696
-Brutale 800cc
....
Javier Gonzalez No, in India their pricing is close to each other. The European bikes are more expensive than these.
3:55 THAT SMILE...... you guys should know by now, which one to buy right?
Apratim Seth Z800
Excellent review. In the states we get the 650F in matte black, and it looks great. California won't get the 800 Kawi this year, and that's a shame. It looks like a fun and practical all rounder.
That aw struck smirk! priceless for a motorhead 3:54
first is the difference in engine capacity.
and the next, is the type. the prior is a sport bike full fairing, with of course will always be installed with those handlebar. the later is a naked bike. in which is usually installed with wide-straight handle bar.
difference in the sound, horse power, acceleration, etc of course will be seen greatly. those are two entirely different bike. its not an apple to apple comparison, but more like an apple to watermelon one.
people dont usually match and compare one bike to another from their price range. usually they compare with the same type, and more or less the same engine capacity
z800 looks much more better and shows how much work has gone into it. i would love better seats and a faired version (would kill the ninja 1000)
z800 is crazy awesome bike .. sound with sc exhaust is just out of the world @_@
+Manjul Walia i have one with sc project oval exhaust
i was waiting for cbr but the price has disappointed
its not value for money
Waiting for a video of Honda 650f VS Street Triple 675cc
Am I the only one who finds the indicators on Z800 vibrating too much??
Handling of Z800 is far more better than 650f even though it is bit heavy.I have tested both. Z800 gives you confidence upright when you start the engine.Buttersmooth engine of Z800 adds more value.The bike stops on spot whenever the brakes are pressed.I am not biased here but shape of 650f looks old atleast if you ask me it doesn't impress.Anytime Z800 plus i dont see any logic in comparing 650 f with z800 .In other videos Street Triple is compared with Z800 just to show that these can compete with z800.However why not er6n is compared with 650 f and street triple.Dont show and change the perception of people that 650f and stree triple are better than z800.
CBR 650F 👌👌👌❤️💥💥💥
I will buy that for sure..
Hi, I recently bought a Z800 and I want to share my experience.First
all of to introduce my self, my name is Konstantinos, I'm 32 years old,
Greek and I'm leaving in Cyprus. From 2008 Since March of 2016 I had a
Suzuki V-Strom DL650 2007 model and made 72.000 kilometers with it. So
I decided to complete change style. From January I started my research
on many brands and models, narrowing my choices to MT07, CB650F, GSR750
and Z800. From close I saw only the MT07 and the CB650F. The problem in
Cyprus is that you have to imagine the bike you want to buy because the
dealers don't have stock and if you want a bike is with order only and
deposit. Also if you found a bike they don't do test drives. So I relied
basically on web reviews and UA-cam.The MT07 felt on me
very light and small comparing to the huge V-Strom. The CB650F had very
poor quality materials. The GRS750 was about the same price with Z800
and it was nowhere near on what Z800 was offering.So after
all the reviews I read and watched and the specs I decided that the Z800
was the most complete and well build middle range naked bike. My only
concern was the weight as I was reading that it is a heavy bike. Anyway I
finalized my decision and ordered it with closed eyes.Now
time for my review. And what a bike... First to clear about the weight.
NO problem at all. Actually is way lighter from what I had used to with
the V-Strom. It has exactly the perfect weight I like to fill at the
stop, at the road, at the mountains. The handling is amazing. I never
felt the same confidence on a turn before. It fills like is on rails.
The stopping power is excellent and the rear break is exactly what is
needed to control the bike on breaking. The engine has a great amount of
power. You can even go really slow with 6th gear on country side and
speed up without down shifting. The stock exhaust is a sweet melody. The
build quality fills that you get much more than you paid. I'm very
pleased with my Z800 and I'm glad that I didn't choose any other bike. I
definitely recommend this bike to everyone that wants a middle range
naked. Just I would recommend to put the Kawasaki engine guards on as
the engine is a little big and in case of drop would be damaged.Conclusion... Well done Kawasaki.
Great comment.
Congrats
Cbr650r (2019) is pure diamond...... Looks better than the cbr650f too
Ravjit Kaur Sodhi can i ask why? I really want to know its advantages
They can mske the comparison because they're in the same price bracket. That's why I traded my cbr650f in for a Z800, the review is perfectly valid, based on price point. The Z is the superior bike in my experience and I commute 90k's daily, through twisted and motorway. the cbr has the edge on 2 up riding, corner entry, wind protection and fuel economy. The Z in corner stability, power exit and all round performance due to better hp, torque and gearing. The Z has higher seat height but more comfortable riding position. I've taken both bikes on extensive trips away and the cbr will give you back, wrist tension, numbness in hands but not on the Z. It's a no brainer for me and I've put a puig windscreen which has helped with the windblast, although the cbr still has the edge with it's full fairing, but the smooth power delivery and gear box, of the Z, is as good if not better than the triumph street triple
I've just come back from India....a 125cc is too much power for the roads there lol
really? which place you visited here?
Afsos tune abhi india nhi dekha 😌
kon se gaon gaya tha tu
this is not a fair comparison....u can't compared sport tourer with a naked bike.....and the naked version have extra 150cc.....naked bikes r not aerodynamically advanced than fully faired bike......u have completely change the category of these bikes....
It should have been the 650 ninja for sure.
Partha Paul i think the price tag make the comparison
Z800 with a windscreen provides more wind protection basically... cbr650f is an experiment gone wrong by Honda..but Honda's name and lack of direct competition is making it sell!
RIDERS GOT TALENT then u probably not ridden the 650f....
Partha Paul HaHaHa.. I own one buddy!
Make video on honda cbr 400rr 2016
ill go for z800 my dream bike
Im on about getting the Honda CBR 650F and i don't see the point in comparing these two bikes together because here in the uk as an A2 rider i can't get z800. so for me i think the cbr is one of the best/ fastest bike i can get yeah a little pricey but when i come to sell it in two years i won't lose as much money. so i dont know, id love to hear more advice from experienced riders. and what they think pros/ cons.
cheers sam.
Who reaches the limit on a 650F on Indian roads? LoL. Barely have places capable of riding above 200kmph and that bike goes all 248kmph up top. You won't even top it off at a racetrack
Benelli BN600i has great sound great performance and value for money indeed
To people saying why Honda is being compared with a 800cc bike, because it is priced that way.
Honda 650f starts from 8 lakh est while Kawasaki’s 650 bikes start from 5 lakh (z650 - 5,10L whole ninja 650 - 5.5L₹
just love the looks of z800.
The Honda looks like it's made by Fisher Price
BeaglePower G 😂😂
it's a shame that they discontinued the Ninja z800 😔 i was planning to buy it in near future☹
Awesome video as always..But insights on instrument cluster, safety features and economy are missing..
Why are you comparing a naked to a sport bike of different engine capacities?
+Shantanu Manerikar Prices bro.Almost the same.
well done , I would like to suggest something about score why not giving a score table ?
It is a good review that has a comprehensive and adequate amount of information that make it useful for interested folks.
I'm going to buy one of the bikes (cb 650 f - Kawasaki z800), what would you recommend you taking into account the price?
Antonio Colloca Z800 is better.... I own cbr650f..
wait for ktm duke 790 its launching 2019
Z800 any day. Gone are the days of Honda !
Can anyone tell me why this review is between the z800 and the cbr650f and not the cb650f ??
I think it would make more sense to test two naked versions against each other....
Can i know the best sounding bikes similar to these. I like to have bass and lil turbo whistle sound with these. Plz help
compare them with Daytona or Street Triple..in note made by that arrow exhaust is soooo goood
Those who think CBR is not value for money because of its buying cost, ask owners how cheap it is to maintain compared to Kawasakis.
Nice rewiew but viewers will also like to have information like cost of ownership and service cost etc
What is the use of 111horses if you can't comfortably cruise on the freeways at higher speeds?????
It Seems. Fantastic Video. supply apparel What do you think, guys? 11
Those 2 bikes are not in the same category at all. I don't understand the reason for this comparison. Maybe just for the price tag as he says around 2:25? Beside that there is no hesitation between these two.
And for people wondering, this honda is not an actual CBR.
z800 is the best in class motorcycle from Kawasaki
can i get z250 headlight to modify my bike ?
as there is no where i can ifind on the internet?
111 bhp vs 85. case closed for me
+bannajirocks Because HP equates to riding finesse right? Comparing the two was dumb to begin with, but comparing HP is even more idiotic.
+bannajirocks My mom can't sit comfortably behind on the Kawasaki, case closed for me too lol.. ;)
+vidurc Yes, but they priced very close, Logically the comparison is correct. If I am to buy a motorcycle, I will first finalize my max budget. If I am to get a motorcycle near 8 lacs the CBR 650f and z800 are my option.
Ravi Singh True. Pricing applies to different aspects though. Only reason I wouldn't buy the CBR is because it is more of a compromised commuter bike. The Z800 knows what kind of machine it is. I'm not a fan of commuter machines.
vidurc i would't call 650F a compromise
Man the Z800' sound is orgasmic!
Depending on what you want, and especially if you cant decide...
This is kind of a hard decision.
superb review, as always
Z800 is really heavy and I felt it was heavy at traffic
Great comparo Kartikeya....sweet and precise😊
please give your review on Ducati Monster 821
Autocar India please make a review of TVS BMW G310 R. Also, if u can, please compare it with its rivals.
Please make a video comparing CBR 650f vs Hyosung GT650R. It's a request.
im not big fan of Kawasaki....but compare to Honda CBR 650F....its fucking awesome
fantastic review. great job kartik
May I know which is the riding gear you have used? I love the jacket
Dainese
Does the Zed have a fully faired version?
Love every review you do !
the z800 is huge, weight-wise..
kawasaki used the z750 chassis for the most part - heavy, shite chassis (z1000 is lighter than the z800, it's that crappy)
the honda is more 'premium', way better for commuting.
here, the z800 is bought by kids who dig it's looks and sell it right after because they just don't enjoy riding it..
they're totally different
But the cult Kawasaki follows, it's remorseless power cannot be compared with any other
Please do a comparo between z900 and cbr650r
get rid of those fairings from headlamp and it looks like honda cb hornet......
did anyone notice the badass version of "choli ke piche kya hai " , when z800 got introduced , haha
I could afford these bikes with Emi and stuff, but I'm simply afraid to park them in public places, my friend had a used yamaha R1 and whenever he used to leave it on roads, even for short durations someone would always be fiddling with the switches, sitting on it taking pictures, some people even scratched the bike with their keys and stuff. I think its not only enough to afford these big bikes but the lifestyle should match it, for now this is only for city yuppies who frequent posh cafes and restaurants in urban India or for those who are willing to leave their bikes idle 6 days a week and only go for long rides on sundays.
Wow does this remind anyone of top gaer? UK of course
i love ur vids....u r a great reviewer ☺☺
wht abt triumph daytona.....3 cylinder bike priced at 12 odd lakhs.....whom u gona compare it with
I contacted Kawasaki dealership n they were kind enough to let me know that the 2016 model is available.. no one has replied from the Honda Dealership.. could you shed any light on the newer models...m really really confused as to which one I should get out of these two...!!!
I've got a cbr650f and they are absolutely amazing bikes, people will chat about the minor differences of the honda and kawi, my friend has the Z800 and it is more powerful but its not very noticeable, in a straigh they are both neck and neck for along time before the z800 starts to slowly pull ahead and in the corners they are both brilliant i love my hondas and the cbr just eats up any corner and feels exciting and stable at many different speeds and angles of leaning, the z800 is a bit worse in the corners only by a small amount though, comfort they are both great and can happily do a 200-300 mile trip on either of them no problem the kawasaki does seem to have to stop for fuel more often than the honda though, they both come with lots of features and many options to upgrade them with aftermarket parts, my cbr has a full Akrapovic race system exhaust and a sports kit to make it look more aggressive and its a monster of a bike and the same can be said for the z800 it really does come down to your preferences and what you like
In short they are two absolutely brilliant motorbikes one is a sports bike and one is a naked, ones slightly more powerful but has less fuel economy and is slightly worse in the corners whilst the other is a bit slower (actually has a higher top end straingly) corners a bit better and has better fuel economy
sorry for the long message that's what I've come to learn after being around both the bikes for over a year now :) and people who say they may get boring must have a problem because I've not stopped smiling since I've had the CBR and it's always an adrenaline rush especially in the corners :) hope this has helped
+HyperViper94 But, with dated technology used on cbr 650f ( switchgear, forks, suspension) it looks like Honda is exploiting the middle weight category in india. with 7.6 ex-showroom cbr650f doesn't justify the price tag except for the brilliant motor ( except 2up would be pain in the @55).
+HyperViper94 hahah bro i hav cbr650f top end is just 235 my frnd hav z800 its damm fast i hav top 251 on z800 stock z800 i am selling shit cbr650f for z800 kawasaki is realy winner here and z800 hav fully adjustblw shocks u can adjust it den see the how z manage in corners bttr den cbr650f
karthikya plz upload new avenger 2015 review soon
Z800 anytime
As far i've tested, Honda launches only outdated vehicles in Indian market as rivals. When India already had the legendary Yamaha R15, Honda came with an outdated edition called 150R, and now with 650F. Build quality is just worst when it comes to Honda bikes, whereas in Cars its the opposite.
Honda must try lot better to beat the legends like Kawasaki and Yamaha.
i m not talk8ng about teliability.hondas are very reliable.but if u check the indicators ,the tail and in general the plastics and how loose they are u ll get what i mean.anyway its not me sayiing that as i dont own one but magazines and test reviwers.
irina filipova mine has started rattling... not even 1 month old!
How can you compare a fully faired sport tourer with a streetfighter motorcycle?
The DESIGN and DETAILING are very different for a sport tourer.
If these aspects are not in your books then you should compare Honda cbr600rr and kawasaki z800.
I'm sorry to tell but you have mislead the buyers.
You should have compare CB650F to Z800, which are both naked bikes.
CBR650F is a super sport bike, you don't enjoy it unless you enjoy to ride the sports bike.
Not sure if CB650F is released in India ?
the honda sure is not a super sport bike man.its an entry level sport bike.super spirt is for example r1 of yamaha.which i dont revomend of course to anyone as most driving it have been killed.
people get killed because of rash driving and not following traffic rules...engine capacity has got nothing to do with that.
Why compare with Z800.. Why not Ninja 650??? Why faired with naked???
The engine matters more both are inline 4
Inline 4 and price
what about Triumph Street Triple ABS??
they are 3 cylinder bikes right?
make a review on the 2017 model. heard that a whole new package with better price.
Front showa suspensions, led headlight and a 5+hp to make it at 90cv. I wish they had lower the weight like Kawasaki did on their new 650 (now at 192 kg instead of 211 kg) 2017-2018. And i had hope that they ditch this horrible cluster, just feels outdated. I prefer needle and compact clusters where just a simple look at the dash and ou can see everything in one place.
Really nice comparison
Let's purchase
You should compare with Triumph daytona 675r
No way! Daytona wins hands down. 125 Bhp bro.
sound of d engine kills damn awesome ...
Do you have to have those metal protectors on the wheels by law in India?
And is it compulsory to have a number plate on the windscreen?
yes it's annoyingly necessary !!!
Thanks for the answer! :)
"We are only looking for z800 monster"
hoping to see kawasaki z1000 and suzuki gsx s1000
. Compare 600 Faired with 600 Faired & 800 naked with 800 Naked
Can we use normal fuel in z800?
hey bro make an review om ducati panigale 959
Strange comparison z800 and cbr650f. Compare the z800 to the cb 650f and the cbr 650f to the ninja should be a lot more sensible
You have to use number plates on the front of motorcycles???
It's mandatory in India
what happened to Yamaha's mt09