Why are we still enslaved to the mental concept of 'Full-Frame'? Most people taking up the hobby these days with digital kit may never have used film, and so won't actually know where the history of 'full-frame' came from (36x24mm 35mm film frame). And lenses.... We have for example, a 12mm lens, and then have to 'convert' it to a 35mm equivalent focal length which will vary, depending on the format it's used on.
I think that Sony A7C, A7CII and A7CR is the most compact Cameras for what you get, the Sigma fp and fpL without an EVF is only a tiny bit smaller than the Sony Cameras which have EVF, for the Sony system there is so many Lenses to choose from and play with that it is a joy.
Hi Emily, I really enjoyed your video. This camera is a real contender for me, as is the Sony A7c and Fujifilm xe4, and the high, second-hand prices for these cameras bear testament to the interest in small, rangefinder-style cameras. If the FPL had a hotshoe and an EVF that matched is size, maybe in the same wat that Leica does it, I'd be in.
I owned one for a while. Traded it in because despite it's compact design, great buttons and the menu. The EVF cost £600. If just shooting primes fine. Sigma do a great series of compact quality primes. But the telephoto is large and comparatively heavy. So the weight of the telephoto lenses, lack of built-in EVF, no articulating screen and no IBIS were the key reasons for me parting with it. I went back to Olympus and haven't regretted my decision for one moment.
I love this camera just for the sheer engineering feat of getting all of that camera into such a tiny box. It reminds me of when manufacturers had fun and creative with their camera designs. If I had the cash I would definitely get one!
The Canon R8, Sony ZVE1, A7CII and A7CR makes me think the same. Micro Four Third needs a real compact for all of us where is the GX and GM series from Panasonic
I agree MFT needs both a G9mk2 or OM1 and a small camera like GX9 OM10 First one being in good Balance with telel enses like PL 200mm2.8 the 100-400 etc... The camera bodies aren't that small but the lenses are.... Especially compared to the HUGH and expensive Full Frame lenses (Agree there are Compromises but that is with every system) Latter for being small and conspicuous essy to sneak in a small bag with some primes.... So no offence (not meant personally) but in politics there's a saying: "It's the economy stupid!" In the camera world one could say: "It's all about the lense (size) stupid!"😉 So to answer the question: YES we do still need crop sensor cameras 🤗📷
Totally agree. I have a suspicion that if Panasonic updated the GX9 with the G9 mkII sensor and phase detect focusing, with an EVF and grip similar to the GX8, they would be onto a winner.
Emily with a SIGMA fp line camera just makes my heart happy! I have used the OG fp for about 4 years and had a small stint with the L over the spring. these are absolutely my go to cameras... hands down!
Just a note about the crop “genuinely not losing quality”, you are effectively using a smaller sensor when cropping, and smaller sensors, by definition, don’t have the same performance (noise ratio, definition). But you also are using the center part of the lens which is the sharpest part, that counter acts the loss. I know I am nitpicking but it took me a while to understand this. And as you say, it will still give a perfectly good image, the main downside being loss of resolution. Great video it made me reconsider the sigma bodies.
Niiice! I have the original fp (24 megapixels) and love it for adapting vintage lenses. Both fp and fp L have an INCREDIBLE feature for correcting any color distortion from adapted glass, which can happen on a digital camera especially with old super-wide lenses and especially especially with old super-wide rangefinder lenses since rangefinders also lack mirrors and the lenses sit closer to the sensor which is what causes color casts. What you do with the fp is take a photo of an all white wall or something and then save it to the settings and then apply it to your current lens… and the fp will output corrected RAWS! No other camera does this. It totally takes away color casting from my antique Russar 20mm LTM lens. The fp also has great features for manual focusing, focus peaking and an excellent punch in zoom. And the sensor is delicious. (I’m sure the 61mp one is also great but I don’t need it!) BTW Sigma sells a tiny grip for the fp that is transformative. It doesn’t make it any bigger.
Nice overview! I’ve often thought the same…another example is the original A7C at roughly 500 grams, small, weather sealed and if you buy small full frame lenses you can stay around the same as MFT; that changes once you start looking at med zooms and above. Not great IBIS though. So maybe not the best choice for weight and size if birding is your thing. And if you stay with a crop; Sony APSC can pretty much meet or beat many new MFT for size and weight at the shorter end. Stabilization not quite as good however and not quite as weatherproof perhaps. I would love for MFT to produce some more small bodies…I would say OM5 size max or smaller.
Sony WR sealing is about the worst in the industry - check years of dpreview articles on that subject - so a killer for my outdoors, all weather usage. Pity.
I pair mine with the ef 28mm f2.8 is. I have the fp and use crop mode for video, and full frame for photo. i also have the adapted swivel screen from dark power labs. The ONLY issue left for me is the elctronic shutter and banding in photo mode. just requires a bit more thought. But the cdng files out of this are plain beautiful. Thank you for such a positive review. So much negativity about this camera that it ignores all the good bits.
Nice! However, the full frame Sony RX1 series, and especially the RX1R II with it's gorgeous 42MP sensor and even more gorgeous Zeiss Sonnar 35mm f2 lens, was smaller and (if you ignore the lens weight, lighter. It also has a tilt screen and EVF. Fixed lens, sure, but what a lens.
It is about the size of the lenses and hand holding ergonomics. Micro4/3s sensor is about the same size as 110 film. That is why the EM1X was crazy as large it is...
I started with Lumix LX3, graduated to a GF1, and then upgraded to a OMD-ME5, to end with GH5. Best pictures taken with the LX3 and the GF1. The OMD and I never clicked. The GH5 has never taken a single picture due to circumstances (corona, illnesses, and dad that needed caring for). The best loved camera was the GF1. Even Thomas Struth lent me his Leica S2 in order to check out my GF1 when we met at his show in Dusseldorf, artist in attendance, including high-end stereo system he brought from home.
It’s interesting but I mainly use my 100-400mm lens on my OM-1. I don’t want to carry around an 800mm full frame zoom lens ever. And I’d also want the EVF so that takes away from the compactness as well. Would be cool to see something like the Sony RX100 in MFT. With the popup EVF and 200mm equivalent zoom range.
Great review! I was always apprehensive about this camera event it peaked my interest as a true portable FF camera. The internet, mainly UA-cam influencers either dont talk about this camera or gives it low ratings for what ever reason. Glad you gave it a good and honest run through for us.
I think it's great that Sigma pursue their own path in camera design, rather than following the herd, but the downside is that this is a very niche product. If you happen to live in that niche (like Mike Johnston) or can afford the Sigma as a second or third camera, great. For most of us though, there are more appropriate choices for a small camera. I do think that we are lucky to have so many amazing camera options these days and this Sigma definitely brings something unique to the party.
i hope they continue with this lineup and do certain improvements ahead like bring in a stacked sensor and IBIS also better battery and dual card slots....hope they don't give up on this tiny mirrorless full frame camera.....nice to see and valid points covered.... 👍
I'm a bigger guy and find something like the OM-1, G9, or OM-5 small enough. Since I like a bigger grip and use longer lenses mostly, I like the balance still more than if I had a small FF body and their long lenses. Even the pro and PL super telephoto lenses aren't bigger than the biggest pro FF lenses (most importantly, they're still more in reach price wise). But I definitely understand for people in other genres the demand for smaller bodies. I think they will come if you have small lenses like the PL 9mm or OM 20 1.4 pro still coming out.
It looks awesome. With the success of the Ricoh GR series it’s clear that people want smaller cameras with high quality images. For me, the Ricoh lowlight at 2.8 just isn’t competing with full frame low light images at f2 or lower, but I still love it. This sigma is relatively affordable with 61mp and full frame, it’s definitely tempting! I do miss having a viewfinder though. I know it makes the camera smaller but the experience is definitely more fun.
Hmm, interesting indeed! Gotta love a small full frame. I like the 5 colour-filtery-thingys in one shot feature. I see myself using this camera for photos more than cine. Thanks Emily!
It’s not my only camera, but I do use it quite often for stills with Leica and Voigtlander glass. I have the EVF and use it about half the time mostly for model shots where focus is desired. If I want to point-and-shoot it, I tend to go for my Leica SL 16-35 with auto-focus or my Voigtlander 10mm and set it to f/8 and then everything is in focus. I’ve gotten some wicked results from the fp. It’s easy enough to shoot with a small M lens or a 90-280 or even a 120 tilt-shift lens. It’s a nice camera to pack away in a bag with another camera like when I don’t want to change lenses or where I’m also shooting film. Despite its limitations with the lack of a shutter, the camera is very capable with a beautiful output. Lastly, it’s diminutive size is great for not being noticed.
The Sigma FP L doesn't have electronic image stabilization in Stills mode but the regular FP can use EIS in both cine/stills. Its stated in the FP L manual that its only available in cine mode: "Applicable only when shooting movies with MOV 59.94p or less". There's also an icon that's displayed when its enabled.
A cropped image doesn't give you the perspective you would have with the equivalent focal lenght lens. Example if a 50mm lens once cropped give you a 100mm ....well it doesn't give you the perspective of a 100mm lens, which is the purpose to use one in the first place. Crop is fashion at the moment but the real meaning is "reframe". I know, even Leica sell the idea with its new Q3 but it is a lie or a scam, pick your choice. I mention this because I am quite sick to see that everywhere now, but also because the rest of your video is well done and I appreciate it.
Came here to say exactly this, cropping absolutely does not equal the same thing as changing focal length and nothing you can do to it in software can change that.
Exactly, you buy a 61M camera and degrade it to an APSC or 1” camera with cropping. Noise performance and DoF degrades along with cropping. For image quality megapixels are not as significant as the total amount of light captured for a photo, cropped or uncropped.
The perspective will be identical because perspective does not depend on focal length but on distance from the subject and field of view. So a cropped image will have exactly the same perspective as a shot with a longer lens,. What will be different is depth of field, which is why some people claim that MFT lenses are two stops darker than their FF equivalents. They aren't darker but they do have two stops worth extra DoF. But that does not affect perspective.
You CAN get a smaller set up, it would be the Light Lens Lab 35mm f2 collapsible lens which protrudes about a centimeter with a M Mount adapter. Only caveat is that the collapsing mechanism necessitates that you need to use 2 hands sometimes to change aperature. Also, yes the EVF is 600 quid but you can mount an LCD loupe (mine's collapsible - you're sensing a theme here...) onto a detachable 3d printed bracket for around £20. I sometime think about selling my FPL and moving on because of the rolling shutter. I can live without IBIS, the 1/15th second flash sync (you forgot to mention) and the ocassional banding issues but the rolling shutter is a killer, especialy if you use the crop modes and telephoto lenses. But then again, I can't think of another camera I would rather switch to which would be as much fun. Small tip, get the official grip, well built and gives a lot of additional, well, grip. Without adding much to the overall form factor
Another great video! I just bought the Sony A7Cii, so that will be my small full frame camera. Right now I just have the kit Sony zoom (28-60) and the Sigma 24mm f/3.5 DG DN Contemporary Lens, which makes for a nice compact kit. My other camera kit is the Pen F digital with the Oly 17mm and 12-40mm Pro zoom. That's all I have now. I sold everything else to downsize and so far these 2 kits are working well for me as travel kits. The Sony is not as high resolution as the Sigma, but so far I'm loving it. Glad you enjoy your Sigma camera!
Spot on review, I've been following this camera for a few weeks. Thanks 👍 By the way, your eyes look gorgeous with that shirt, I just have to say. With all due respect of course 😁
Yes, we do. Sensor size has implications on many things with most important to me being the size of the lenses and the depth of field. Yes depth is more often important than shallowness and that explains why phones very often give more acceptable close-ups/macro than large sensors and why smaller sensors can show same or less noise by using a larger aperture whilst achieving same depth of field. It seems that the only undisputed advantage is the dynamic range, provided the two sensor compared have same pixel count. The larger will always win. (simplified, but even that is not a linear function, there is actually an optimum pixel size, beyond which the law of diminishing returns kicks in.)
Yes we need crop sensors (or at least I)! I recently completely switched from Sony A7IV and a lot of lenses to MFT and the OM-1, because the big zoom lenses were to heavy and big for me. If I wanted a smaller camera, I would have bought the Sony A7CII instead. The OM-1 with the 1.4 TC and the 100-400mm lense is approx. as big as my Sony with the 70-300mm was and thats insane.
You will never shoot anything good with Sony, it’s just an enticement for the naive when the camera seems to have everything). With fp I shoot with different optics and don’t experience any problems, including working with 150-600 DG DN Sport OS, it’s not a matter of size, but modularity and the end result...
I meant in the recipe bracketing mode. I should have explained it clearer. The bracketing mode gives you a selection of filtered jpegs and no raw file on Fuji, whereas on this sigma you get the jpegs plus the raw file
Love the Sigma fp. It's totally bizarre and wildly impractical for me, but for some reason I still always desire one (albeit probably just the fp rather than the fp-L) 😍 I would also really like to see a 40mm pancake lens for L-mount, it's oddly lacking compared to other mount options at the moment.
mechanical shutter is only neccesary for fast moving objects like motor sport photography. Sensor stabilisatuon is only necessary with poor lighting but even then there are L mount lenses with internal stabilisation or you can use a tripod and flash.
Sometimes it annoys me how big my S5II is so I've been looking for a smaller option that can handle my L mount lenses. This would be perfect but the lack of a flippy screen and IBIS is really annoying. And it's pretty expensive but who knows, maybe sometime in the future I'll get it.
Panasonic certainly has the experience and background to produce a small capable rangefinder-style camera. I'm hoping for an A7CII competitor. Would snatch that up in an instant.
Great overview of the camera! While the design/ergonomics don't look like they'll win any awards, the size of this thing makes it very interesting to me as I appreciate manufacturers putting time into making bodies compact for the sensor size, so definitely on my list this now! Also, great shots of my home town Liverpool, hope you enjoyed it :)
Been using MFT Lumix Leica since the GX1 came out. Sigma and FujiFilm have always attracted me with their special features and weirdness. This camera is probably the most attractive beast I've seen, however, the reasonable quality auto-focus detroys its video prospects alone (for me / manual focus guys should be fine), but also it's lack of V-Log means it's not compatible with other L Mount video sessions as this creates more post production work (the enemy of Videography). I am truly amazed by its strategy of crop mode and how this maintains the quality of the system, my only concern is that this would bring one into the realm of more expensive glass over time...($$$$). I think Ill stick to my MFT system as travel with 1 camera, 4 small prime lenses is still very good (9mm, 15mm, 42.5mm f1.7, 75mm). Once there is an update with mechanical shutter, and V-Log I may well jump ship...
I've looked at this camera a number of times and thought it would make a great landscape camera. Even with the accessory grip and EVF, it's still pretty compact and that 61MP sensor is pretty incredible.
I love small cameras too and mirroless. In my job we have an Gh4, but for me its bigger. I bought an second hand Nex 5N and beside focus in low light(I regret I little to have picked atleas an 5R, but prices here was much more expensive), I love it. Its small, nice pic quality.
Well... I watched through, figured "wow", this camera seems right up my alley and I love what it offers. So, I google searched buying options and tbh... pretty near crapped my pants at the price. Whoa! I see Leica's go around the same pricing. Holy smokes. Canadian pricing is mid 3k and up. I'm sad now. I will never afford such a grand little machine. Thanks for a great review though. You did good. :)
I really wanted one of these when it came out but couldn't afford it, and wanted an evf.. thankfully Sony came out with the reasonably small a7c shortly after.
if you need longer reach, crop sensor is the best way to do it (compact lens size). if you can stand using larger lenses for wider aperture lens (f/1.4), no need using crop sensor body.
I have two sigma FP and a panasonic s1h for all my video needs. I love the body! I have a L mount to EF adapter that has a built in VND and i adapt old m42 lenses like the Helios 44. I can still drop it in my pocket.
I considered the FP-L along with Sigma's small, but good "contemporary" lenses for landscape photography, but having no EVF and no IS are both show stoppers to me. I love my GX 800, but for these reasons I almost always pick one of the OM-Ds.
Nice review, its hard to explain how simple and effective the menus are (very un sony like), but you forgot to mention its weather sealed as well. Although the screen does not flip, its mounted away from the body slightly and those grills are for cooling hense its long recording time give or take the small battery. I have an fpL for stills and a fp for street and video. fp has no PD AF unlike the fpL, but its low light high ISO seems even better with quicker sensor read out.
I follow Huw Alban's channel where he moved from an EM1 to the FPL. For a purely landscape shooter it works well. But if you take a variety of genres I think a regular MFT body works better. But if I had the cash for an extra camera I'd buy an FPL and some primes in a heartbeat. I played with one at the Photo show in Birminham when it first came out. Lovely, but very niche. One other feature you didn't mention is its low ISO range. You can set ISO to as low as 6! ie a built in 4-stop ND filter ...
In the 'lens off' views, the sensor appears quite close to the lens throat... I know it's mirrorless and all that, but in a film camera, the distance between focal point and film was much greater, leading to a less acute angle of light striking the film, and better use of the image circle...
The reduced mount flange distance on L mount only gives flexibility in lens design - it doesn't mandate a higher ray angle or closer lens elements. Many old film non-retrofocus wideangle lenses have rear lens elements that stick inwards past the mount flange, almost touching the film in some cases. In fact, film is much less sensitive to high ray angles, so those older non-retrofocus wideangle lenses don't always perform as well in the corners on digital sensors as they did on film. The stack height of the sensor and the microlenses on it have an impact on how well the lenses work. Modern lenses designed for use on digital take the ray angle issue into account in their designs, and minimize the problem. The short flange to sensor distance gives a number of benefits. It leaves more room on native lenses for the focus motor, aperture mechanism, and all the other things that need to be packed in there. And it also allows for nearly any legacy lens mount to be adapted and allow for infinity focus. Leica M mount and M39 LTM thread mount, Contax/Nikon rangefinder bayonet mount, M42 and T thread mounts, Pentax K mount, Nikon F mount, Canon FD Mount, and others can all be easily adapted with more or less full functionality other than auto diaphragm stop down on shutter trigger. Even Contax G lenses can be made useable with an adapter that allows for diaphragm control. That's where the short flange distance really comes in handy. It also helps keep the body size down. All the space behind the sensor is needed for the image sensor circuitry, heat dissipation, etc. that wasn't needed on film cameras. So that can only be reduced so much. But with no mirror on the front of the sensor, the flange can be made very close.
I understand you have already some Lumix L mount lenses because of your S5 II and Sigma FP series are the only pocket camera with this mount but I think the most confortable and full feature FF pocket camera you can have with Sony A7C series with Samyang lenses, for example 24mm 2.8 it's not only small but also light (90gr.!)
To be fair, it looks like the ultimate replacement for X-T3 A7C/A7CII for low budget and medium production videography. Put it in a cage, get a nice T-stop prime from Meike or Soviet lenses photo and video cameras like rehoused Vega, Helios, Mir or even Industar-61 LZ, add a handle and a microphone - and you have a BEAST of a setup to film on the go. The only thing Sigma lacks is some proper software to connect in to your smartphone so you don’t need a mirror/another monitor to look at yourself. Gonna recommend it to my friends with older versions Blackmagic
I was referring to my findings in a previous video inshould have been clearer. Specifically for recipe/photo profile bracketing. On fuji if you choose the bracketing option you'll get 3 different jpeg recipes but no raw file. On this sigma you get 5 different style jpegs and the raw file as well.
No mechanical shutter is kind of a big deal for photography. There is banding artifact as you mentioned, there is jello effect on fast moving subjects, you cannot use flash at all...
Thanks for the review. It is an interesting concept - the core of a still/video camera to which you can add various attachments. However, when you start adding those attachments (like a viewfinder), the camera becomes heavier, bulkier, and pricier. A fairer comparison would be to add on the bits and bobs to the Sigma to give it the same capabilities as the camera you are comparing it to. Sigma makes great lenses and they have been quite innovative and unconventional with their cameras. Its great that they are sticking with it and improving on their original fp camera. However, adding a massive full frame lens to this tiny body creates something that is quite unweildy. You had to carefully pick and choose to find a lens with a size that was in keeping with the compact body.
Hi Emily, interesting camera. I am a fiend for small cameras and FF would be amazing. The deal breaker for me is the lack of a viewfinder. Older eyes here and not crazy about that add-on. However, I will keep it in mind. Thank you as always!
IMO a better argument might be is if m4/3 is still needed (yes IMO), since many of the m4/3 bodies released today cost as much (or more) and are as big (if not bigger) than some of the APSC cameras.
I love MFT but we need smaller camera bodies. OM needs an OM-10 that’s smaller than the previous em-10 LUMIX needs the GX series I rarely use my EM-1 mkIII now because I don’t want to carry it around. For MFT I end up mostly using using my GX1 which is the perfect size, and I love the removable viewfinder for when I want a more compact option. Other than that I carry my Ricoh GR3 Small lenses is why I love MFT, but what’s the point if the body is about the same size as larger sensor cameras?
Interesting review ! The non inclinable screen is a definite NO for me because I know I need it and was the main reason I left Canon when I had a 7D to switch to Sony . It's not so difficult to implement so I see this a Sigma mistake...Maybe they will consider a it for the next version ?
I think MFT and APS-C still have a place despite the availability of very small full frame. It's not just the body, it's body plus lens and how it all handles. Some MFT bodies aren't small but they are a nice size, with a good grip and balance well with telephoto lenses. I shoot wildlife and aircraft, and lenses get quite big if you want long reach in full frame. That said the Sigma is an interesting design, my criticism is the lack of a viewfinder, if you use the optional EVF it's suddenly nothing like as compact.
For the price it has some competition from other brands. It is definitely not cheap and I assume it’s the same for L mount lens wouldn’t be cheap either. Possibly very good as a travel camera where size matters.
Ok, Let me start by saying I ran a OM-D for a long time then upgraded to Sony A7iii, and now a A7rV. I also own a Sony R1XR mark ii, and a Lumix GM1, and the Olympus Pen Mini. So for Street Photography, the RXR rules, full frame, Zeis lens, and f2.0 The drawback you could say is the fixed lens, but for me I only use it for SP, and it rules for that with the full sensor, and small and fast lens. Yes the Sigma you just presented is great, full frame, small and interchangeable lens, but you will be hard pressed to find a small fast lens for it for SP. The GM1 would still take my vote if I had to have the interchangeable lens, as there are many small fast lenses. The mast lens is a must for me in street photography as there are times when I do need the low light capability
I love Sigma cameras - I just prefer the DP line with Foveon sensors. Those cameras are all together different beasts with many limitations, but when you get it right, it's unlike anything else. If money were no option, and I wanted a compact full frame camera, I'd go for a Leica M-mount (for stills) or a Sony A7C II (for stills and video). They are not as tiny as the FP-L, but they are really good cameras with at least as much to offer as the FP-L if not more.
This is my main camera - and I’ve had Sony and Leica. Yeah, the big killer is you really need the EVF and it is ridiculously expensive. I sucked it up and bought one. Actually most of the Sigma primes are superb, small and light. I just came home from France and used my Leica 35mm f2 (small snd light) plus the Sigma 90mm f2. Beautiful images. In May I was in France and just took a tiny and light Voigtlander 40mm prime. It’s actually my main video camera and whips most other systems ass in that regard.
I really rate the sigma primes, I obviously love that they're tiny, but the image quality is superb as well! I remember getting a free one with my original s5 purchase ages ago as an early adopter offer and it really blew me away. Was so nice to try the full set again with this review
@@MicroFourNerds Your video was very balanced and fair. Yes, the electronic shutter is the other big negative. I shot a live band and there pictures from the soundcheck were superb, but all the shots from the show (LED lighting) were heavily banded and unusable. For daytime photography the FP is superb however.
Wow, this is amazing. How immensely have Panasonic lost the plot that someone like me, a 10-year GM1 owner with a pile of lenses and a ton of brand/system loyalty, is sitting here going "OOOOOOH!!!" to this camera? This seems really spiritually in-line with what the GM1 was trying to do. The only thing keeping me from pressing 'Buy' this very moment is the lens problem. 1.) I have so much amazing glass I've acquired over the years, and 2.) the L-mount equivalents would be so much larger and unwieldy. Something like the Nocticron works fine on the GM1, but haha an equivalent L-mount lens on the FP-L would probably be quite unpleasant.
It’s not the bodies that make folks move away from full frame, it’s the insane size of the fast lenses and you can’t escape that. It’s just a function of physics. M43, APSC and compact full frames like the Leica Q3 will always have appeal for that reason.
I have to say that the lack of ibis is actually good for video. Those ibis wobbles are worse than camera shake and are only good for vloggers. You can buy the loupe and press it against your face or droop it under an atomos shogun for serious stabe … Video AF is shockingly bad on the sigma but when you get the loupe (lvf-11) or a leica lens , and an l mount Leica lens if you want to see the manual focus scale… the manual focus becomes part of the appeal with this camera, unless you mainly vlog. Also I found the internal mic to pick up electrical noise if you record to external ssd pressed against the camera body so you need to find a rig that holds it further away if using internal audio
Interesting, but not for me. I've long given up chasing sensor size. My Olympus gives me what I want, and it addresses most of your own concerns about the Sigma. It has EVF built-in, not as some clumsy add-on, it has IBIS, it has a swivel back screen, and a mechanical shutter. The video aspect does not interest me so I won't comment. However, Sigma is to be applauded for continuing to advance camera design. Just not relevant to me. Oh, and if I want a pocket camera, I've gone to the dark side with a mobile phone. Sorry.
Just something delicious about its ambition. Tiny but HUUUGE!. I want one just so they keep doing it. I have found IBIS (especially on the latest Canons) to be more of pain when shooting video than a help and have seen cinematographers turning it off in the R5c. So Sigma might be playing the long game here. Yes I want one. Huge files, I say yum.
Wonder if Sigma couldn’t “buy” and install the A9 or even A1 sensor from Sony for the FP. It would make sense for the FP to have had those sensors since the design was to go without a mechanical shutter. In ways Nikon with the Z8 and Z9 beat Sigma to it (outside of Sony) to bring the concept to a complete and thought through execution. A mark II FP with the Z8 sensor + addressing gen 1 issues could be a good update in 2024. But the power move for Sigma will still be to pursue a good Forveon L mount camera so they aren’t chasing the pack and one step behind. Something that can rival the GFX in terms of delivering something that’s FF+ due to its unique sensor and processing. If Sigma can leverage Panasonic’s multi pixel shot tech to stitch in camera a 4:3 and/or 1:1 hi res frame, it could be quite compelling. Sigma can take their time for a few more years to get it right since the GFX 100II didn’t quite solidify GFX’s hold on things.
How do you you eliminate rolling shutter in photography with the fpL? Do you set the shutter to a minimum of 1/125s? A Sigma 28/2.0 DG DN i-series is missing. Then it would be a very good alternative to the Leica Q3 (5.900€).
Very interesting camera indeed. I just have to clarify a few things. 1. You say unlike Fujifilm, you have the raw file as well, but actually on Fuji cameras you also can get both the film simulation jpg and the raw. 2. You state that most digital cameras can use electronic shutter but only after a certain point. That's not true, Fujifilm can do it at any shutter time, the same goes for both Nikon and Canon (I don't know about Sony), and my Hasselblad X1D and X2d can use electronic shutter from 60 minutes to 1/10000 second
Hiya! Let me explain my points i should have made it clearer in the video... I was talking specifically about the recipe bracketing mode on Fuji, which gives you 3 jpegs with different effects on but no raw file. On the sigma you get 5 different jpegs and the raw in bracketing mode. I know shooting standard raw and jpeg gives the raw 😊 As for electronic shutter, it's usually a negative thing, so i was just pointing out that FORCED electronic shutter usually happens at some point on mirrorless cameras, vs all the time on sigma unfortunately. All mirrorless cameras give you the option to choose either mechanical or electronic through out the range that it is capable of shooting (elecronic takes over when the mechanical shutter can't go any faster automatically, but you can over ride it for lower shutter speeds)
@@MicroFourNerds OK that makes it more clear, I just didn't get these points from your video. Thanks for the reply. Interesting camera, but just watched your video on the Alice camera, that seems like a real innovative camera, just the right stuff for nerds like myself - and you it seems
Interesting video pleased you liked the camera as I value your opinion and it is a camera I am interested in. I am obsessed with Sigma's Foveon sensored cameras and have a few DP and SD models. Sigma do a good SA to L mount adapter so I would be able to use my more modern SA lenses on it. The menu system on the FP is similar to that on the Quattro cameras as well. I live in hope that the much rumoured full frame Foveon camera will arrive in an FP body.
Curious camera from Sigma, but a bit pricey especially as I'm not already using L lens. The lack of IBIS is a pain, but could be worked around if you can afford the camera.
That sensor is 1/10 as lovely as you are. I started with it and the Sigma 35mm f2 but quickly moved on to ENORMOUS but sharp lenses like 40mm 1.4 and zeiss Otus 85mm 1.4. Absolutely bonkers I know!
What an interesting camera! What do you think? 📷
Why are we still enslaved to the mental concept of 'Full-Frame'? Most people taking up the hobby these days with digital kit may never have used film, and so won't actually know where the history of 'full-frame' came from (36x24mm 35mm film frame).
And lenses.... We have for example, a 12mm lens, and then have to 'convert' it to a 35mm equivalent focal length which will vary, depending on the format it's used on.
Seems like a really good option to carry into dark places to shoot stars? Is it sealed?
I think that Sony A7C, A7CII and A7CR is the most compact Cameras for what you get, the Sigma fp and fpL without an EVF is only a tiny bit smaller than the Sony Cameras which have EVF, for the Sony system there is so many Lenses to choose from and play with that it is a joy.
Hi Emily, I really enjoyed your video. This camera is a real contender for me, as is the Sony A7c and Fujifilm xe4, and the high, second-hand prices for these cameras bear testament to the interest in small, rangefinder-style cameras. If the FPL had a hotshoe and an EVF that matched is size, maybe in the same wat that Leica does it, I'd be in.
When are they going to upgrade it?? Will be getting the FP Mk2 when released!
I owned one for a while. Traded it in because despite it's compact design, great buttons and the menu. The EVF cost £600. If just shooting primes fine. Sigma do a great series of compact quality primes. But the telephoto is large and comparatively heavy. So the weight of the telephoto lenses, lack of built-in EVF, no articulating screen and no IBIS were the key reasons for me parting with it. I went back to Olympus and haven't regretted my decision for one moment.
Yes I think outside of primes it suddenly becomes very unruly!!!
Which Olympus if I may ask..?
@@ericpiepersI have an OM Systems OM5. I also use the original Olympus OMD-EM5.
@@Forthejoyofphotographythe original EM5 & EM1 are such a jewel~
Even adding the EVF brings it up to EM5/OM5 and Luix GX range size/weight. And with no tilting screen you kind of need the EVF IMHO.
I love this camera just for the sheer engineering feat of getting all of that camera into such a tiny box. It reminds me of when manufacturers had fun and creative with their camera designs. If I had the cash I would definitely get one!
The Canon R8, Sony ZVE1, A7CII and A7CR makes me think the same. Micro Four Third needs a real compact for all of us where is the GX and GM series from Panasonic
Yessss small m43 is what is needed for sure!
I agree MFT needs both a G9mk2 or OM1 and a small camera like GX9 OM10
First one being in good Balance with telel enses like PL 200mm2.8 the 100-400 etc...
The camera bodies aren't that small but the lenses are....
Especially compared to the HUGH and expensive Full Frame lenses
(Agree there are Compromises but that is with every system)
Latter for being small and conspicuous essy to sneak in a small bag with some primes....
So no offence (not meant personally) but in politics there's a saying:
"It's the economy stupid!"
In the camera world one could say:
"It's all about the lense (size) stupid!"😉
So to answer the question:
YES we do still need crop sensor cameras 🤗📷
@@PeterVlutters haha we definitely do, I'd be out at a job if we didn't 🤣 new GX line pleeaaasseee Lumix
@@MicroFourNerds 😅🍻
Totally agree. I have a suspicion that if Panasonic updated the GX9 with the G9 mkII sensor and phase detect focusing, with an EVF and grip similar to the GX8, they would be onto a winner.
Emily with a SIGMA fp line camera just makes my heart happy! I have used the OG fp for about 4 years and had a small stint with the L over the spring. these are absolutely my go to cameras... hands down!
Just a note about the crop “genuinely not losing quality”, you are effectively using a smaller sensor when cropping, and smaller sensors, by definition, don’t have the same performance (noise ratio, definition). But you also are using the center part of the lens which is the sharpest part, that counter acts the loss.
I know I am nitpicking but it took me a while to understand this.
And as you say, it will still give a perfectly good image, the main downside being loss of resolution.
Great video it made me reconsider the sigma bodies.
Sigma 17 mm F4 is my favorite tiny full frame lens I use it on Sony ZVE1, another tiny camera. I love the build of the lens. It feels perfect.
Niiice! I have the original fp (24 megapixels) and love it for adapting vintage lenses.
Both fp and fp L have an INCREDIBLE feature for correcting any color distortion from adapted glass, which can happen on a digital camera especially with old super-wide lenses and especially especially with old super-wide rangefinder lenses since rangefinders also lack mirrors and the lenses sit closer to the sensor which is what causes color casts. What you do with the fp is take a photo of an all white wall or something and then save it to the settings and then apply it to your current lens… and the fp will output corrected RAWS! No other camera does this. It totally takes away color casting from my antique Russar 20mm LTM lens.
The fp also has great features for manual focusing, focus peaking and an excellent punch in zoom. And the sensor is delicious. (I’m sure the 61mp one is also great but I don’t need it!)
BTW Sigma sells a tiny grip for the fp that is transformative. It doesn’t make it any bigger.
Such a great feature! That needs to be implemented by other camera makers!
Nice overview! I’ve often thought the same…another example is the original A7C at roughly 500 grams, small, weather sealed and if you buy small full frame lenses you can stay around the same as MFT; that changes once you start looking at med zooms and above. Not great IBIS though. So maybe not the best choice for weight and size if birding is your thing. And if you stay with a crop; Sony APSC can pretty much meet or beat many new MFT for size and weight at the shorter end. Stabilization not quite as good however and not quite as weatherproof perhaps. I would love for MFT to produce some more small bodies…I would say OM5 size max or smaller.
Now with the a7cii the ibis is a lot better. I had the original and hated the horrible ibis, or lack there of. Curious about the mark ii
Sony WR sealing is about the worst in the industry - check years of dpreview articles on that subject - so a killer for my outdoors, all weather usage. Pity.
I pair mine with the ef 28mm f2.8 is. I have the fp and use crop mode for video, and full frame for photo. i also have the adapted swivel screen from dark power labs. The ONLY issue left for me is the elctronic shutter and banding in photo mode. just requires a bit more thought. But the cdng files out of this are plain beautiful. Thank you for such a positive review. So much negativity about this camera that it ignores all the good bits.
Nice! However, the full frame Sony RX1 series, and especially the RX1R II with it's gorgeous 42MP sensor and even more gorgeous Zeiss Sonnar 35mm f2 lens, was smaller and (if you ignore the lens weight, lighter. It also has a tilt screen and EVF. Fixed lens, sure, but what a lens.
It is about the size of the lenses and hand holding ergonomics. Micro4/3s sensor is about the same size as 110 film. That is why the EM1X was crazy as large it is...
I started with Lumix LX3, graduated to a GF1, and then upgraded to a OMD-ME5, to end with GH5. Best pictures taken with the LX3 and the GF1. The OMD and I never clicked. The GH5 has never taken a single picture due to circumstances (corona, illnesses, and dad that needed caring for). The best loved camera was the GF1. Even Thomas Struth lent me his Leica S2 in order to check out my GF1 when we met at his show in Dusseldorf, artist in attendance, including high-end stereo system he brought from home.
It’s interesting but I mainly use my 100-400mm lens on my OM-1. I don’t want to carry around an 800mm full frame zoom lens ever. And I’d also want the EVF so that takes away from the compactness as well.
Would be cool to see something like the Sony RX100 in MFT. With the popup EVF and 200mm equivalent zoom range.
Great review! I was always apprehensive about this camera event it peaked my interest as a true portable FF camera. The internet, mainly UA-cam influencers either dont talk about this camera or gives it low ratings for what ever reason. Glad you gave it a good and honest run through for us.
I think it's great that Sigma pursue their own path in camera design, rather than following the herd, but the downside is that this is a very niche product. If you happen to live in that niche (like Mike Johnston) or can afford the Sigma as a second or third camera, great. For most of us though, there are more appropriate choices for a small camera. I do think that we are lucky to have so many amazing camera options these days and this Sigma definitely brings something unique to the party.
i hope they continue with this lineup and do certain improvements ahead like bring in a stacked sensor and IBIS also better battery and dual card slots....hope they don't give up on this tiny mirrorless full frame camera.....nice to see and valid points covered.... 👍
I'm a bigger guy and find something like the OM-1, G9, or OM-5 small enough. Since I like a bigger grip and use longer lenses mostly, I like the balance still more than if I had a small FF body and their long lenses. Even the pro and PL super telephoto lenses aren't bigger than the biggest pro FF lenses (most importantly, they're still more in reach price wise). But I definitely understand for people in other genres the demand for smaller bodies. I think they will come if you have small lenses like the PL 9mm or OM 20 1.4 pro still coming out.
It looks awesome. With the success of the Ricoh GR series it’s clear that people want smaller cameras with high quality images. For me, the Ricoh lowlight at 2.8 just isn’t competing with full frame low light images at f2 or lower, but I still love it. This sigma is relatively affordable with 61mp and full frame, it’s definitely tempting! I do miss having a viewfinder though. I know it makes the camera smaller but the experience is definitely more fun.
I love this camera and am pleased it’s still being appreciated. Thanks! Great review.
Hmm, interesting indeed! Gotta love a small full frame. I like the 5 colour-filtery-thingys in one shot feature. I see myself using this camera for photos more than cine. Thanks Emily!
It’s not my only camera, but I do use it quite often for stills with Leica and Voigtlander glass. I have the EVF and use it about half the time mostly for model shots where focus is desired. If I want to point-and-shoot it, I tend to go for my Leica SL 16-35 with auto-focus or my Voigtlander 10mm and set it to f/8 and then everything is in focus. I’ve gotten some wicked results from the fp. It’s easy enough to shoot with a small M lens or a 90-280 or even a 120 tilt-shift lens. It’s a nice camera to pack away in a bag with another camera like when I don’t want to change lenses or where I’m also shooting film. Despite its limitations with the lack of a shutter, the camera is very capable with a beautiful output. Lastly, it’s diminutive size is great for not being noticed.
The Sigma FP L doesn't have electronic image stabilization in Stills mode but the regular FP can use EIS in both cine/stills.
Its stated in the FP L manual that its only available in cine mode:
"Applicable only when shooting movies with MOV 59.94p or less".
There's also an icon that's displayed when its enabled.
A cropped image doesn't give you the perspective you would have with the equivalent focal lenght lens. Example if a 50mm lens once cropped give you a 100mm ....well it doesn't give you the perspective of a 100mm lens, which is the purpose to use one in the first place. Crop is fashion at the moment but the real meaning is "reframe". I know, even Leica sell the idea with its new Q3 but it is a lie or a scam, pick your choice. I mention this because I am quite sick to see that everywhere now, but also because the rest of your video is well done and I appreciate it.
Came here to say exactly this, cropping absolutely does not equal the same thing as changing focal length and nothing you can do to it in software can change that.
Exactly, you buy a 61M camera and degrade it to an APSC or 1” camera with cropping. Noise performance and DoF degrades along with cropping. For image quality megapixels are not as significant as the total amount of light captured for a photo, cropped or uncropped.
The perspective will be identical because perspective does not depend on focal length but on distance from the subject and field of view. So a cropped image will have exactly the same perspective as a shot with a longer lens,. What will be different is depth of field, which is why some people claim that MFT lenses are two stops darker than their FF equivalents. They aren't darker but they do have two stops worth extra DoF. But that does not affect perspective.
You CAN get a smaller set up, it would be the Light Lens Lab 35mm f2 collapsible lens which protrudes about a centimeter with a M Mount adapter. Only caveat is that the collapsing mechanism necessitates that you need to use 2 hands sometimes to change aperature.
Also, yes the EVF is 600 quid but you can mount an LCD loupe (mine's collapsible - you're sensing a theme here...) onto a detachable 3d printed bracket for around £20.
I sometime think about selling my FPL and moving on because of the rolling shutter. I can live without IBIS, the 1/15th second flash sync (you forgot to mention) and the ocassional banding issues but the rolling shutter is a killer, especialy if you use the crop modes and telephoto lenses. But then again, I can't think of another camera I would rather switch to which would be as much fun. Small tip, get the official grip, well built and gives a lot of additional, well, grip. Without adding much to the overall form factor
L mount is what I want to go too. From MFT. The L mount just seems like the best move for video and photos.
Emily scores again. I had not heard about this wonderous little gem, so this was a great video (per usual).
Another great video! I just bought the Sony A7Cii, so that will be my small full frame camera. Right now I just have the kit Sony zoom (28-60) and the Sigma 24mm f/3.5 DG DN Contemporary Lens, which makes for a nice compact kit. My other camera kit is the Pen F digital with the Oly 17mm and 12-40mm Pro zoom. That's all I have now. I sold everything else to downsize and so far these 2 kits are working well for me as travel kits. The Sony is not as high resolution as the Sigma, but so far I'm loving it. Glad you enjoy your Sigma camera!
Love your videos , so enthusiastic about photography 🙂
Your reviews are very nice to watch. Love your reviews and it helped me allot. Thanks! :-)
Spot on review, I've been following this camera for a few weeks. Thanks 👍
By the way, your eyes look gorgeous with that shirt, I just have to say. With all due respect of course 😁
I have always been tempted by full frame but IBIS not as good as M43 is always the dealbreaker.
Yes, we do. Sensor size has implications on many things with most important to me being the size of the lenses and the depth of field. Yes depth is more often important than shallowness and that explains why phones very often give more acceptable close-ups/macro than large sensors and why smaller sensors can show same or less noise by using a larger aperture whilst achieving same depth of field. It seems that the only undisputed advantage is the dynamic range, provided the two sensor compared have same pixel count. The larger will always win. (simplified, but even that is not a linear function, there is actually an optimum pixel size, beyond which the law of diminishing returns kicks in.)
Yes we need crop sensors (or at least I)! I recently completely switched from Sony A7IV and a lot of lenses to MFT and the OM-1, because the big zoom lenses were to heavy and big for me. If I wanted a smaller camera, I would have bought the Sony A7CII instead. The OM-1 with the 1.4 TC and the 100-400mm lense is approx. as big as my Sony with the 70-300mm was and thats insane.
You will never shoot anything good with Sony, it’s just an enticement for the naive when the camera seems to have everything).
With fp I shoot with different optics and don’t experience any problems, including working with 150-600 DG DN Sport OS, it’s not a matter of size, but modularity and the end result...
Fun and tiny cam. Won't be replacing my OM-1 + 40-150/2.8 setup for kayaking, hiking, or honestly 90% of my use cases. But yeah - fun and tiny.
@6:10 fuji also give you the raw files. And can apply any film simulation to a raw files later
I meant in the recipe bracketing mode. I should have explained it clearer. The bracketing mode gives you a selection of filtered jpegs and no raw file on Fuji, whereas on this sigma you get the jpegs plus the raw file
Love the Sigma fp. It's totally bizarre and wildly impractical for me, but for some reason I still always desire one (albeit probably just the fp rather than the fp-L) 😍 I would also really like to see a 40mm pancake lens for L-mount, it's oddly lacking compared to other mount options at the moment.
Your review is prefect tbh 😂 It's bizarre and wildly impractical, but I still really enjoyed using it for sure!
Full frame Sony R1 looks about the same size and that came out ages ago. What puts me off is the 61MP, file sizes are massive
I love my FpL and really enjoyed your review.. nice!!! Like you, quite surprised not to see more you tube content on this great little body.
mechanical shutter is only neccesary for fast moving objects like motor sport photography.
Sensor stabilisatuon is only necessary with poor lighting but even then there are L mount lenses with internal stabilisation or you can use a tripod and flash.
Sometimes it annoys me how big my S5II is so I've been looking for a smaller option that can handle my L mount lenses. This would be perfect but the lack of a flippy screen and IBIS is really annoying. And it's pretty expensive but who knows, maybe sometime in the future I'll get it.
Panasonic certainly has the experience and background to produce a small capable rangefinder-style camera. I'm hoping for an A7CII competitor. Would snatch that up in an instant.
What a neat little camera!
I still prefer the Sony A7c which is just a tiny bit bigger but has a built in EVF and 5 axis IBIS.
Great overview of the camera! While the design/ergonomics don't look like they'll win any awards, the size of this thing makes it very interesting to me as I appreciate manufacturers putting time into making bodies compact for the sensor size, so definitely on my list this now!
Also, great shots of my home town Liverpool, hope you enjoyed it :)
Hi, still waiting for leica 9mm and laowa 6mm lenses conparison for astro. Thanks) great video
Been using MFT Lumix Leica since the GX1 came out. Sigma and FujiFilm have always attracted me with their special features and weirdness. This camera is probably the most attractive beast I've seen, however, the reasonable quality auto-focus detroys its video prospects alone (for me / manual focus guys should be fine), but also it's lack of V-Log means it's not compatible with other L Mount video sessions as this creates more post production work (the enemy of Videography).
I am truly amazed by its strategy of crop mode and how this maintains the quality of the system, my only concern is that this would bring one into the realm of more expensive glass over time...($$$$). I think Ill stick to my MFT system as travel with 1 camera, 4 small prime lenses is still very good (9mm, 15mm, 42.5mm f1.7, 75mm).
Once there is an update with mechanical shutter, and V-Log I may well jump ship...
I've looked at this camera a number of times and thought it would make a great landscape camera. Even with the accessory grip and EVF, it's still pretty compact and that 61MP sensor is pretty incredible.
I love small cameras too and mirroless. In my job we have an Gh4, but for me its bigger. I bought an second hand Nex 5N and beside focus in low light(I regret I little to have picked atleas an 5R, but prices here was much more expensive), I love it. Its small, nice pic quality.
I wonder if the crop mode lets you select an off-centre crop. Would give the same effect as shifting a shift (or tilt-shift) lens.
You can do that in seconds post-processing
Well... I watched through, figured "wow", this camera seems right up my alley and I love what it offers. So, I google searched buying options and tbh... pretty near crapped my pants at the price. Whoa! I see Leica's go around the same pricing. Holy smokes. Canadian pricing is mid 3k and up. I'm sad now. I will never afford such a grand little machine. Thanks for a great review though. You did good. :)
just got my hands on one, phenomenal
I really wanted one of these when it came out but couldn't afford it, and wanted an evf.. thankfully Sony came out with the reasonably small a7c shortly after.
if you need longer reach, crop sensor is the best way to do it (compact lens size). if you can stand using larger lenses for wider aperture lens (f/1.4), no need using crop sensor body.
I have two sigma FP and a panasonic s1h for all my video needs. I love the body!
I have a L mount to EF adapter that has a built in VND and i adapt old m42 lenses like the Helios 44. I can still drop it in my pocket.
I considered the FP-L along with Sigma's small, but good "contemporary" lenses for landscape photography, but having no EVF and no IS are both show stoppers to me. I love my GX 800, but for these reasons I almost always pick one of the OM-Ds.
Nice review, its hard to explain how simple and effective the menus are (very un sony like), but you forgot to mention its weather sealed as well. Although the screen does not flip, its mounted away from the body slightly and those grills are for cooling hense its long recording time give or take the small battery. I have an fpL for stills and a fp for street and video. fp has no PD AF unlike the fpL, but its low light high ISO seems even better with quicker sensor read out.
I follow Huw Alban's channel where he moved from an EM1 to the FPL. For a purely landscape shooter it works well. But if you take a variety of genres I think a regular MFT body works better. But if I had the cash for an extra camera I'd buy an FPL and some primes in a heartbeat. I played with one at the Photo show in Birminham when it first came out. Lovely, but very niche. One other feature you didn't mention is its low ISO range. You can set ISO to as low as 6! ie a built in 4-stop ND filter ...
Love your content! Also your channel name made me laugh out loud 🤣
You need to get the Sony Cyber-shot RX1R II in this series, it’s another compact full frame beast.
In the 'lens off' views, the sensor appears quite close to the lens throat... I know it's mirrorless and all that, but in a film camera, the distance between focal point and film was much greater, leading to a less acute angle of light striking the film, and better use of the image circle...
The reduced mount flange distance on L mount only gives flexibility in lens design - it doesn't mandate a higher ray angle or closer lens elements. Many old film non-retrofocus wideangle lenses have rear lens elements that stick inwards past the mount flange, almost touching the film in some cases.
In fact, film is much less sensitive to high ray angles, so those older non-retrofocus wideangle lenses don't always perform as well in the corners on digital sensors as they did on film. The stack height of the sensor and the microlenses on it have an impact on how well the lenses work. Modern lenses designed for use on digital take the ray angle issue into account in their designs, and minimize the problem.
The short flange to sensor distance gives a number of benefits. It leaves more room on native lenses for the focus motor, aperture mechanism, and all the other things that need to be packed in there.
And it also allows for nearly any legacy lens mount to be adapted and allow for infinity focus. Leica M mount and M39 LTM thread mount, Contax/Nikon rangefinder bayonet mount, M42 and T thread mounts, Pentax K mount, Nikon F mount, Canon FD Mount, and others can all be easily adapted with more or less full functionality other than auto diaphragm stop down on shutter trigger. Even Contax G lenses can be made useable with an adapter that allows for diaphragm control. That's where the short flange distance really comes in handy.
It also helps keep the body size down. All the space behind the sensor is needed for the image sensor circuitry, heat dissipation, etc. that wasn't needed on film cameras. So that can only be reduced so much. But with no mirror on the front of the sensor, the flange can be made very close.
I understand you have already some Lumix L mount lenses because of your S5 II and Sigma FP series are the only pocket camera with this mount but I think the most confortable and full feature FF pocket camera you can have with Sony A7C series with Samyang lenses, for example 24mm 2.8 it's not only small but also light (90gr.!)
To be fair, it looks like the ultimate replacement for X-T3 A7C/A7CII for low budget and medium production videography. Put it in a cage, get a nice T-stop prime from Meike or Soviet lenses photo and video cameras like rehoused Vega, Helios, Mir or even Industar-61 LZ, add a handle and a microphone - and you have a BEAST of a setup to film on the go. The only thing Sigma lacks is some proper software to connect in to your smartphone so you don’t need a mirror/another monitor to look at yourself. Gonna recommend it to my friends with older versions Blackmagic
That video file size is massive, definitely a given tho. But the capabilities to that is amazing!
really interesting!! Great video and has made me want to go and have a hold of one of these things!!! Thank you.
Here's a tip; get the MC21 EF adaptor then a canon 40mm pancake 2.8. Comes with image stab and great image!
what do you mean with "unlike fuji, it also gives you the raw file"?
Fuji allows you to get a Jpeg and raw with film simulation available on the raw.
I was referring to my findings in a previous video inshould have been clearer. Specifically for recipe/photo profile bracketing. On fuji if you choose the bracketing option you'll get 3 different jpeg recipes but no raw file. On this sigma you get 5 different style jpegs and the raw file as well.
No mechanical shutter is kind of a big deal for photography.
There is banding artifact as you mentioned, there is jello effect on fast moving subjects, you cannot use flash at all...
Interesting. Did you mention file size? 60mp files must be big.
Thanks for the review. It is an interesting concept - the core of a still/video camera to which you can add various attachments. However, when you start adding those attachments (like a viewfinder), the camera becomes heavier, bulkier, and pricier. A fairer comparison would be to add on the bits and bobs to the Sigma to give it the same capabilities as the camera you are comparing it to. Sigma makes great lenses and they have been quite innovative and unconventional with their cameras. Its great that they are sticking with it and improving on their original fp camera. However, adding a massive full frame lens to this tiny body creates something that is quite unweildy. You had to carefully pick and choose to find a lens with a size that was in keeping with the compact body.
The Sigma contemporary L mount lenses are compact and light. I also use a very small M mount Leica 35mm
Hi Emily, interesting camera. I am a fiend for small cameras and FF would be amazing. The deal breaker for me is the lack of a viewfinder. Older eyes here and not crazy about that add-on. However, I will keep it in mind. Thank you as always!
IMO a better argument might be is if m4/3 is still needed (yes IMO), since many of the m4/3 bodies released today cost as much (or more) and are as big (if not bigger) than some of the APSC cameras.
I want the (not shallow) depth of field MFT gives me :) MFT is perfect for landscape or any composition were you want to "get is all in."
I love MFT but we need smaller camera bodies. OM needs an OM-10 that’s smaller than the previous em-10
LUMIX needs the GX series
I rarely use my EM-1 mkIII now because I don’t want to carry it around.
For MFT I end up mostly using using my GX1 which is the perfect size, and I love the removable viewfinder for when I want a more compact option.
Other than that I carry my Ricoh GR3
Small lenses is why I love MFT, but what’s the point if the body is about the same size as larger sensor cameras?
Interesting review ! The non inclinable screen is a definite NO for me because I know I need it and was the main reason I left Canon when I had a 7D to switch to Sony . It's not so difficult to implement so I see this a Sigma mistake...Maybe they will consider a it for the next version ?
I think MFT and APS-C still have a place despite the availability of very small full frame. It's not just the body, it's body plus lens and how it all handles. Some MFT bodies aren't small but they are a nice size, with a good grip and balance well with telephoto lenses. I shoot wildlife and aircraft, and lenses get quite big if you want long reach in full frame. That said the Sigma is an interesting design, my criticism is the lack of a viewfinder, if you use the optional EVF it's suddenly nothing like as compact.
Excellent presentation style, fantastic video production of this review - very well lit, and the audio is great. I like this channel.
For the price it has some competition from other brands. It is definitely not cheap and I assume it’s the same for L mount lens wouldn’t be cheap either. Possibly very good as a travel camera where size matters.
Ok, Let me start by saying I ran a OM-D for a long time then upgraded to Sony A7iii, and now a A7rV. I also own a Sony R1XR mark ii, and a Lumix GM1, and the Olympus Pen Mini. So for Street Photography, the RXR rules, full frame, Zeis lens, and f2.0 The drawback you could say is the fixed lens, but for me I only use it for SP, and it rules for that with the full sensor, and small and fast lens. Yes the Sigma you just presented is great, full frame, small and interchangeable lens, but you will be hard pressed to find a small fast lens for it for SP. The GM1 would still take my vote if I had to have the interchangeable lens, as there are many small fast lenses. The mast lens is a must for me in street photography as there are times when I do need the low light capability
I am happy with MFT and the upcoming G9 II. I habe exzellent MFT lenses. Why a tiny full frame camera an buying new lenses?
Impressed!
I love Sigma cameras - I just prefer the DP line with Foveon sensors.
Those cameras are all together different beasts with many limitations, but when you get it right, it's unlike anything else.
If money were no option, and I wanted a compact full frame camera, I'd go for a Leica M-mount (for stills) or a Sony A7C II (for stills and video). They are not as tiny as the FP-L, but they are really good cameras with at least as much to offer as the FP-L if not more.
I'm a commercial Director. I use sigma FP on the Ronin Mini 3, and PD movie 3 smart follow focus. I can hold it whole day.
This is my main camera - and I’ve had Sony and Leica.
Yeah, the big killer is you really need the EVF and it is ridiculously expensive. I sucked it up and bought one. Actually most of the Sigma primes are superb, small and light. I just came home from France and used my Leica 35mm f2 (small snd light) plus the Sigma 90mm f2. Beautiful images.
In May I was in France and just took a tiny and light Voigtlander 40mm prime.
It’s actually my main video camera and whips most other systems ass in that regard.
I really rate the sigma primes, I obviously love that they're tiny, but the image quality is superb as well! I remember getting a free one with my original s5 purchase ages ago as an early adopter offer and it really blew me away. Was so nice to try the full set again with this review
@@MicroFourNerds Your video was very balanced and fair. Yes, the electronic shutter is the other big negative. I shot a live band and there pictures from the soundcheck were superb, but all the shots from the show (LED lighting) were heavily banded and unusable. For daytime photography the FP is superb however.
Wow, this is amazing. How immensely have Panasonic lost the plot that someone like me, a 10-year GM1 owner with a pile of lenses and a ton of brand/system loyalty, is sitting here going "OOOOOOH!!!" to this camera?
This seems really spiritually in-line with what the GM1 was trying to do. The only thing keeping me from pressing 'Buy' this very moment is the lens problem. 1.) I have so much amazing glass I've acquired over the years, and 2.) the L-mount equivalents would be so much larger and unwieldy. Something like the Nocticron works fine on the GM1, but haha an equivalent L-mount lens on the FP-L would probably be quite unpleasant.
The 12 but for me is so tempting, hopefully they create a 16bit option.
It’s not the bodies that make folks move away from full frame, it’s the insane size of the fast lenses and you can’t escape that. It’s just a function of physics. M43, APSC and compact full frames like the Leica Q3 will always have appeal for that reason.
I have to say that the lack of ibis is actually good for video. Those ibis wobbles are worse than camera shake and are only good for vloggers. You can buy the loupe and press it against your face or droop it under an atomos shogun for serious stabe … Video AF is shockingly bad on the sigma but when you get the loupe (lvf-11) or a leica lens , and an l mount Leica lens if you want to see the manual focus scale… the manual focus becomes part of the appeal with this camera, unless you mainly vlog. Also I found the internal mic to pick up electrical noise if you record to external ssd pressed against the camera body so you need to find a rig that holds it further away if using internal audio
check out the original Sony A7 that is the smallest full frame caremra with full ergonomics and functions
Interesting, but not for me. I've long given up chasing sensor size. My Olympus gives me what I want, and it addresses most of your own concerns about the Sigma. It has EVF built-in, not as some clumsy add-on, it has IBIS, it has a swivel back screen, and a mechanical shutter. The video aspect does not interest me so I won't comment. However, Sigma is to be applauded for continuing to advance camera design. Just not relevant to me. Oh, and if I want a pocket camera, I've gone to the dark side with a mobile phone. Sorry.
You should Have a look at SONY RX1 - Fullframe smaller than GX9 with built in 35mm f1.8 lens
Just something delicious about its ambition. Tiny but HUUUGE!.
I want one just so they keep doing it.
I have found IBIS (especially on the latest Canons) to be more of pain when shooting video than a help and have seen cinematographers turning it off in the R5c. So Sigma might be playing the long game here.
Yes I want one. Huge files, I say yum.
Wonder if Sigma couldn’t “buy” and install the A9 or even A1 sensor from Sony for the FP. It would make sense for the FP to have had those sensors since the design was to go without a mechanical shutter.
In ways Nikon with the Z8 and Z9 beat Sigma to it (outside of Sony) to bring the concept to a complete and thought through execution. A mark II FP with the Z8 sensor + addressing gen 1 issues could be a good update in 2024. But the power move for Sigma will still be to pursue a good Forveon L mount camera so they aren’t chasing the pack and one step behind. Something that can rival the GFX in terms of delivering something that’s FF+ due to its unique sensor and processing. If Sigma can leverage Panasonic’s multi pixel shot tech to stitch in camera a 4:3 and/or 1:1 hi res frame, it could be quite compelling. Sigma can take their time for a few more years to get it right since the GFX 100II didn’t quite solidify GFX’s hold on things.
So very interesting. Thanks.
How do you you eliminate rolling shutter in photography with the fpL? Do you set the shutter to a minimum of 1/125s?
A Sigma 28/2.0 DG DN i-series is missing. Then it would be a very good alternative to the Leica Q3 (5.900€).
Hey hope you enjoyed Liverpool! ;) have to admit that’s a slightly tempting ff…
very educational video, I have question, can we use ssd m2 with correct cable for sigma fp? thank you
Very interesting camera indeed. I just have to clarify a few things. 1. You say unlike Fujifilm, you have the raw file as well, but actually on Fuji cameras you also can get both the film simulation jpg and the raw. 2. You state that most digital cameras can use electronic shutter but only after a certain point. That's not true, Fujifilm can do it at any shutter time, the same goes for both Nikon and Canon (I don't know about Sony), and my Hasselblad X1D and X2d can use electronic shutter from 60 minutes to 1/10000 second
Hiya! Let me explain my points i should have made it clearer in the video...
I was talking specifically about the recipe bracketing mode on Fuji, which gives you 3 jpegs with different effects on but no raw file. On the sigma you get 5 different jpegs and the raw in bracketing mode. I know shooting standard raw and jpeg gives the raw 😊
As for electronic shutter, it's usually a negative thing, so i was just pointing out that FORCED electronic shutter usually happens at some point on mirrorless cameras, vs all the time on sigma unfortunately. All mirrorless cameras give you the option to choose either mechanical or electronic through out the range that it is capable of shooting (elecronic takes over when the mechanical shutter can't go any faster automatically, but you can over ride it for lower shutter speeds)
@@MicroFourNerds OK that makes it more clear, I just didn't get these points from your video. Thanks for the reply. Interesting camera, but just watched your video on the Alice camera, that seems like a real innovative camera, just the right stuff for nerds like myself - and you it seems
Interesting video pleased you liked the camera as I value your opinion and it is a camera I am interested in. I am obsessed with Sigma's Foveon sensored cameras and have a few DP and SD models. Sigma do a good SA to L mount adapter so I would be able to use my more modern SA lenses on it. The menu system on the FP is similar to that on the Quattro cameras as well. I live in hope that the much rumoured full frame Foveon camera will arrive in an FP body.
Curious camera from Sigma, but a bit pricey especially as I'm not already using L lens. The lack of IBIS is a pain, but could be worked around if you can afford the camera.
I want to try one! With that digital crop zoom, I wonder if carrying it with an ultrawide prime would take less space than an ultrawide lens.
That sensor is 1/10 as lovely as you are. I started with it and the Sigma 35mm f2 but quickly moved on to ENORMOUS but sharp lenses like 40mm 1.4 and zeiss Otus 85mm 1.4. Absolutely bonkers I know!