This is one of those cameras that compliments gimbals and lidar autofocus given the size and weight of it. It would no longer be a little pocket full frame monster, but does clear out a lot of video issues with the camera.
Couldn’t agree more! It’s the perfect modular camera! You can add on the LVF-11 and have an immersive shooting experience for when you’re in a creative mood, or you can throw it on a gimbal with a LiDAR based focusing motor as you pointed out earlier and output the sweet cinemaDNG 12-Bit RAW video, or better yet, take it as is on a vacation (maybe with a hand grip or a wrist lanyard if it feels too slippery) and make the most out of that tiny body by blending in for some nice street-shots! My biggest complaint with this camera is the existence of microHDMI instead of a full sized port since that’s usually the first port to fail and that’s what jts spiritual video-only predecessor (the OG Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera) was bogged down with, but I can understand that they wanted to fit it all in a small frame and one just can’t have it all! Still, love the fp and fp L - hope I’ll be able to buy one someday!
I've been using my Sigma FP-L for few years now and I really love it. I use it for professional photoshoots in addition to outstanding 4k 24p 12bit RAW. WIth the add ons its really almost perfect. 3.5h record time at highest quality and not to mention media cost. I use 4TB (£120) and two 2TB(£130 each) this is very cheap comparing to CF. I cant wait for the next version of this little beast.
No one said nice pictures, so, nice pictures! 😄 Interesting to see some other shots of a beautiful new environment than the usual home ones over the years
Interesting to hear your take on the FPL. I have been using it and loving it for over two years. I was sold on the tiny size and full frame 60 mp sensor. Also at the time nothing compared to the price for that sensor. LED light banding is annoying, but most of the time setting the exposure to 1/60th and ISO to Auto does the trick. I find the punch in zoom focus assist works very well with manual Focus lenses. I do miss IBIS, and I am very tempted to get the Lumix S9 as a companion camera to work with all my L-mount Lenses.
I was very tempted by this, having come from using Foveon, but Panasonic S-series was more versatile for a new system. One other main advantage over the S9 would be that Magnesium alloy unibody.
I own the fpl and have added a flip screen and battery grip that easily allows me to shoot all day on one battery. I use my Leica lenses with an adapter , Sigma autofocus lenses and have recently added the Lumix 28-200 lens. The quality of the files are as good as Leica . The electronic shutter/ no IBS issue is a non issue for me. It’s quirky ,but it’s 1:13 a terrific camera !
i like it also because it is sold with an electronic viewfinder accessory which is fantastic, not only is it on the side and it is large, it can be removed if necessary and also lifted
Review enjoyed as usual with Christopher. This is one of those cameras that will be featured on YT in 10 years time when most have long since forgotten it. Sounds familiar for Sigma! The issue with cameras that are hopefully made for travel/holiday etc is they aren't small anymore with a decent zoom lens fitted. Does full-frame mean the pictures will look any better when the grandkids are looking at them in 20 years time. Looks like it maybe a good bet for serious video shooters though.
There was a point in time where I almost bought an FP/L but, never did.. Being a S5ii owner, I purchased a backup camera for it...which happened to be the S9. Loving it ! But the SIgma was on my mind at a time. All good though, I have the Sigma 45mm so...some connection is still there lol.
@@declanb6985yes it’s simulated. Multiple exposures. One duck flying across the frame will become multiple ducks. And subjects like flowing water will only look good when used with slow shutter speed
Wow, I thought you were in Kansas City, Mo. on the Country Club Plaza, but then I realized it was the real deal in Seville Spain! I had no idea Kansas City had copied in such detail. Kool!
Yeah, the ventilation on the FP is really good for long exposures. Which is why the S5ii with its active cooling might be an even better astro camera than the FP. I've not seen too many comparisons between those two though.
@@Wildridefilms Maybe because it makes close to no sense at all? While the fp is super small, the S5/S5II are much more complete without the need of additional EVF, hot shoe, grips, and lCD loupe. Additionally, no thethered shooting option for the Sigma and a couple more of "no..." The fp-L is a different beast in the L-Mount realm, long time being the only 60 MP body with a very good dynamic range and a very decent low light capability.
I hope they make a mkll with mechanical shutter and ibis. Then it'll be the ultimate travel camera, but not sure howll they fit the tech while keeping the form factor. I love my fp
It’s an interesting idea. Makes you wonder what’s possible. If you’re willing to do all processing externally and limit your recording options to 4k60, the size/media quality compromise might increasingly allow for smaller designs. The micro 4/3rds world might benefit from a slightly larger than cell phone body option as well.
'have appreciated lens reviews here and felt to respond to this Sigma fpL, 'avant garde piece.'. I purchased locally an 'fp' (24MP, NIB) early 2020 to introduce myself to digital photography. It's hi-capacity & modular design and frequent updates have been fertile ground to learn a myriad of cinematic/photographic considerations, and lens opportunities have since become phenomenal as well. I recently lucked into an affordable fpL-EVF11 combo for cropping ability and general comparison, thus far finding in Philip Bloom's words, "they made it worse", but imagine someday I'll transcend usage as I have that of other 'fp' naysayers; will see! In my limited experience, I'm inclined to think that Sigma aims to keep pricing on the lofty side, like a Leica. The solidity & IQ of these products are a joy to experience ~
I appreciate that it’s actually made in Japan. I’m currently in the Fuji ecosystem and the quality of the Japan-made lenses far exceeds that of the China-made bodies. If I’m paying professional prices, it’s not too much to ask that the fit and finish be as good as consumer film cameras from the 90’s.
Sigma fp is a more reasonable purchase for photos and especially for video. When shooting with it, it is very difficult to perceive the quality level of your video. These cameras can do much more than you demonstrate....
To be fair, he primarily reviews for photography purposes and has a limited amount of time. One of the reasons his reviews are so good is that they're not excessively long.
I have the Sigma FP (non-L), and it's an amazing travel camera for video. I got mine on sale for $1600 including the 45mm f2.8 lens. When paired with a third-party SSD mount (DPL), it can shoot 4K RAW video while maintaining its small form factor. Add a stabilized lens or mini gimbal, and you can create some outstanding video.
Yeah, the fp / fp L really needs to be understood as a sensor in a box. It is great at being that, especially if you want to rig out a tiny cinema setup with some external storage (fp) or use it as a landscape camera (fp L). But it is a one-trick-pony. If you need any versatility look somewhere else.
I love the L-mount alliance comcept but there are too many compromises. I just got my A7C2 and couldn‘t be happier. FP has tiny battery, no mech shutter, no EVF, no PDAF, etc…
I love and hate that you made this video! Given you’re one of my favorite creators, it was an absolute delight to hear your views on this gem of a camera. But also because you’re such a great reviewer, I can see more people getting aware of the existence of this camera and it rising in price now. 😭
Also, my comment might seem negative - I’m sorry about that! I have nothing but compliments for you! I love your videos and you’re the first person I search when I want to see a lens review and have been doing so for over half a decade now! And obviously I love the existence of this video! 😭
@mipmipmipmipmip I never thought I’d ever be a gatekeeper but as I’m entering late 20s I’m feeling like that’s the right thing to do to avoid your favorite value products from not staying value for money anymore, your favorite indie band to change their style to appease to the music corporations and masses, and your favorite wholesome bar to become overcrowded, noisy, and chaotic and have a terrible service.
With all the issues, it looks like a lower resolution sensor at most half the price would be a better selling product, I´d prefer a Canon R10 instead. Thanks for sharing the review!
@@Bayonet1809 Yeah, but that one has its quirks too and still I think a bit expensive. Maybe they could have made the L 45 MP and work more on the focus and those things.
@@pablojaviermuratore True. A stacked sensor like the one in the Nikon Z9 or Sony A1 would solve the shutter problems, while allowing for 8K video with lower rolling shutter.
I'm holding out to believe that one day, Chris will grace us with a review of a higher megapixel, Panasonic L-Mount camera with some of their native lenses. 😔
I have this camera and mainly use it for photos but Sigma totally abandoned it and some issues that can be improved with firmware never got an update. The autofocus is bad and my god it's has some crazy issues with blowing the highlights I mean its so bad. But I love the little guy just for indoors
No surprise when it comes to Sigma lens's popularity, but what about their camera? I know they exist but never seen any around... Their market share is surely very small (Any number on this?)
I was considering this as a secondary FF camera together with my A7RIV as it is very compact, can fit easily inside the Pgytech One Go 4L V2 bag with the A7RIV + Tamron 20-40mm lens, and is compatible with Sigma's tiny i-series prime lenses. In the end, I decided to buy Lumix S9, as the Sigma fp/ fp-L doesn't have IBIS (only electronic stabilization) and the size difference between the fp and S9 is minimal. People told me that I should have bought the A7C II instead since I have e-mount lenses and is technically a better camera overall. However, I was keen on trying another ecosystem, and the S9 did not disappoint - in my opinion, the S9 produced better sooc jpeg shots than my A7RIV due to its pleasing colors.
Probably not realistic but: 1- Could they manage to make it for other mounts, specifically the Z mount? I could see this camera as a complementary of my regular Z7 but I do not want to invest in another lens ecosystem... 2- A Nikon Z7II is cheaper at $2300. I would consider this Sigma at around $1500...
I shoot L mount and for the life of me, unless this was free I can't think why I would have it. Maybe because I have L mount lenses and I don't want to take a heavier camera somewhere? But by the time you've committed to taking a FF lens or two with you, the body size becomes less important. Sure there are smaller lenses (I love the sigma I series), but then they lack the IQ that 60mpx deserves. Hmmm.
It’s actually raw video so that means not decompressing to edits it in the first place. Therefore you don’t need much power at all 😂 but what you need is a computer with fast ssd read so usb 3.1 gen 2
It's kind of crazy Sigma are still making bodies. They've always been a bit "weird" and I do wonder why they don't make a more traditional body if they're bothering. I've only seen a Sigma body used twice in the wild and one of them was being tested by a photographer for Sigma. I absolutely love Sigma's lenses I must add.
I had an sd Quattro which had a brilliant body. I hope that they make some with that form-factor. My guess is that the really small unibody made optimal use of their new-ish special Magnesium factory. One thing I do like about that chassis is that it has so few moving parts, and is so strong, that it could be incredibly durable.
Such a niche product. They would've been better off putting the 12mp sensor in it. Pretty much video only. Anyone that takes photos at all won't want it.
This is the kind of camera you have to rig up, making it expensive to work with. Alone, for that price, anyone would be better with an R6II or anything else really.
Not quite sure why I watched this. No stabilisation, no mech shutter, one card, short battery life, small covers that will get lost, same size as a APS-C when necessary add-one included, rolling shutter, poor ergos, price…did Sigma put any thought into the design process?
Why are you so incredibly late to the party, Christopher? You claim to like Sigma lenses but you never checked the DG DN versions in their native system. Of course, no need to do so, as every native L-Mount lenses also available as mainstream Sony version, increasing the available second hand market - it's more difficult to sell exotic L-Mount stuff, I know.🤭Your comments on high ISO unfortunately lack of mentioning the fact that nobody needs to enlarge 60 MP like you need to do with 24 MP! I don't disagree with your findings but in practice they simply don't matter. Also, the highlight recovery is beyond every Nikon I owned so far. you didn't pay much attention to that. I regularly use ISO 25.600 and higher and the results are (in my eyes) better than Nikon Z 6 / 7, D850. It really has loads of quirks but the advantages like tilting EVF, possible modules on 3 sides, size and weight: Tell us where else to find them!
Interesting camera. As you so well said, for some it is the Holy Grail and for others it is an overpriced toy. But one thing has to be said, they have at least reached FUji level when it comes to autofocus. (Warning sarcasm)
For most people, yes, but the fp has a Magnesium alloy unibody (which also lends it long video durations due to the dissipative design) and some special industrial features like the director's viewfinder.
Hey Chris. Off topic, but I'd love to see you test the occasional mobile phone using your tests and charts etc. Would be really interesting to see and compare.
Backgroundmusic in the foreground. The music got so much in the way, that I stopped watching after 3 minutes. It is not because of preferences. It happens when pitch, rhythm or volumen are close to the narrating voice. With some hearing impairments the brain has to work the double to separate music and voice, and can make it a pain. In older videos I didn't have this problem. Thought you might wan't to know.
@@christopherfrost Yes, I also got along. Follow your videos over years. In this one the music was louder. It happens when voice and music come "too close". Perhaps you know people complain they understand nothing at family gatherings or in loud cafes, etc. Its the same thing. But a big thank you for caring, and keep up the good work! Because of your and Irene Rudnyk's videos, I purchased recently a Canon R and the new RF-nifty-50🤗
How is 2.5k reasonable for this? No EVF. No mechanical shutter. Small battery. 1 SD card. Terrible autofocus. No grip. Expensive L mount. Questionable ecosystem and support from an off brand. This is a gimped camera in every possible way. The small size gimmick can maybe justify a price of 1.2k at most. I would buy FF Canon RP for $900 before I even look at this camera. Not to mention all the other much better FF offerings that are cheaper than 2.5k. including some that have the same small rangefinder format. Sigma must be smoking some good stuff.
This is one of those cameras that compliments gimbals and lidar autofocus given the size and weight of it. It would no longer be a little pocket full frame monster, but does clear out a lot of video issues with the camera.
Couldn’t agree more! It’s the perfect modular camera! You can add on the LVF-11 and have an immersive shooting experience for when you’re in a creative mood, or you can throw it on a gimbal with a LiDAR based focusing motor as you pointed out earlier and output the sweet cinemaDNG 12-Bit RAW video, or better yet, take it as is on a vacation (maybe with a hand grip or a wrist lanyard if it feels too slippery) and make the most out of that tiny body by blending in for some nice street-shots! My biggest complaint with this camera is the existence of microHDMI instead of a full sized port since that’s usually the first port to fail and that’s what jts spiritual video-only predecessor (the OG Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera) was bogged down with, but I can understand that they wanted to fit it all in a small frame and one just can’t have it all! Still, love the fp and fp L - hope I’ll be able to buy one someday!
I've been using my Sigma FP-L for few years now and I really love it. I use it for professional photoshoots in addition to outstanding 4k 24p 12bit RAW. WIth the add ons its really almost perfect. 3.5h record time at highest quality and not to mention media cost. I use 4TB (£120) and two 2TB(£130 each) this is very cheap comparing to CF. I cant wait for the next version of this little beast.
No one said nice pictures, so, nice pictures! 😄 Interesting to see some other shots of a beautiful new environment than the usual home ones over the years
OMG I’ve been looking for an up to date review of this camera for so long 😊😊😊
Interesting to hear your take on the FPL. I have been using it and loving it for over two years. I was sold on the tiny size and full frame 60 mp sensor. Also at the time nothing compared to the price for that sensor. LED light banding is annoying, but most of the time setting the exposure to 1/60th and ISO to Auto does the trick. I find the punch in zoom focus assist works very well with manual Focus lenses. I do miss IBIS, and I am very tempted to get the Lumix S9 as a companion camera to work with all my L-mount Lenses.
I was very tempted by this, having come from using Foveon, but Panasonic S-series was more versatile for a new system.
One other main advantage over the S9 would be that Magnesium alloy unibody.
I own the fpl and have added a flip screen and battery grip that easily allows me to shoot all day on one battery. I use my Leica lenses with an adapter , Sigma autofocus lenses and have recently added the Lumix 28-200 lens. The quality of the files are as good as Leica . The electronic shutter/ no IBS issue is a non issue for me. It’s quirky ,but it’s 1:13 a terrific camera !
Wow! Hope you choose to review their Foveon cameras too!
Those are long out of production, and it's becoming pretty clear pigs will sprout wings before a new foveon camera is going to be released
@@jeffrydemeyer5433 True, also 🤣🤣.
This camera with a Zeiss Otus is some of the sharpest and best looking video i've ever seen in my life
Which lens specifically?
@@handfuloflight 28mm and 55mm
i like it also because it is sold with an electronic viewfinder accessory which is fantastic, not only is it on the side and it is large, it can be removed if necessary and also lifted
Review enjoyed as usual with Christopher. This is one of those cameras that will be featured on YT in 10 years time when most have long since forgotten it. Sounds familiar for Sigma! The issue with cameras that are hopefully made for travel/holiday etc is they aren't small anymore with a decent zoom lens fitted. Does full-frame mean the pictures will look any better when the grandkids are looking at them in 20 years time. Looks like it maybe a good bet for serious video shooters though.
There was a point in time where I almost bought an FP/L but, never did.. Being a S5ii owner, I purchased a backup camera for it...which happened to be the S9. Loving it ! But the SIgma was on my mind at a time. All good though, I have the Sigma 45mm so...some connection is still there lol.
for landscape photography it is a perfect camera because it is one of the few that allows you to go down to ISO 6
I thought that was a simulated iso amd not a "real" iso
@@declanb6985yes it’s simulated. Multiple exposures. One duck flying across the frame will become multiple ducks. And subjects like flowing water will only look good when used with slow shutter speed
Which is not a real ISO 6, but is actually a built-in frame averaging feature.
psst… you could get Tilt Screen mod for Fp/FpL by Dark Power Laboratory 👀
FINALLY HE HAS AN L MOUNT CAMERA!!!! PLEASE REVIEW THE LUMIX S LENSES ABD THE SUMMICRON SL’s
Yessss, it’s been far too long! Ha ha!
Would love to see you testing a Sony RX1RII. Hope you can make a video about it one day! :)
Why? An A7c R has a much better sensor 😅
Wow, I thought you were in Kansas City, Mo. on the Country Club Plaza, but then I realized it was the real deal in Seville Spain! I had no idea Kansas City had copied in such detail. Kool!
The FP, (24 MP) is the best astro camera at this moment, even outdoing the Z6 / Z6 II concerning photon efficiency.
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That was unexpected!
Yeah, the ventilation on the FP is really good for long exposures. Which is why the S5ii with its active cooling might be an even better astro camera than the FP. I've not seen too many comparisons between those two though.
@@Wildridefilms Maybe because it makes close to no sense at all? While the fp is super small, the S5/S5II are much more complete without the need of additional EVF, hot shoe, grips, and lCD loupe. Additionally, no thethered shooting option for the Sigma and a couple more of "no..." The fp-L is a different beast in the L-Mount realm, long time being the only 60 MP body with a very good dynamic range and a very decent low light capability.
@@Joamonica I meant specifically for astro. I agree, the FP is a very niche camera and the S5II is incredibly well rounded for its price point.
I hope they make a mkll with mechanical shutter and ibis. Then it'll be the ultimate travel camera, but not sure howll they fit the tech while keeping the form factor. I love my fp
It’s an interesting idea. Makes you wonder what’s possible. If you’re willing to do all processing externally and limit your recording options to 4k60, the size/media quality compromise might increasingly allow for smaller designs. The micro 4/3rds world might benefit from a slightly larger than cell phone body option as well.
very nice review ;) as usual
I got a chance to see this in a camera event. It look very small and cute 🥰
excellent review
had it for a long time, loved it. But without EVF built in and this massive attachment and no IBIS... it had to make place
CineD had a useful chart of the sensor readout against resolution crop-setting for the fp L.
'have appreciated lens reviews here and felt to respond to this Sigma fpL, 'avant garde piece.'. I purchased locally an 'fp' (24MP, NIB) early 2020 to introduce myself to digital photography. It's hi-capacity & modular design and frequent updates have been fertile ground to learn a myriad of cinematic/photographic considerations, and lens opportunities have since become phenomenal as well. I recently lucked into an affordable fpL-EVF11 combo for cropping ability and general comparison, thus far finding in Philip Bloom's words, "they made it worse", but imagine someday I'll transcend usage as I have that of other 'fp' naysayers; will see! In my limited experience, I'm inclined to think that Sigma aims to keep pricing on the lofty side, like a Leica. The solidity & IQ of these products are a joy to experience ~
nice video Christopher! does it mean will we be seeing more L mount lenses reviews in the future?
Greatest L-mount lenses reviews incoming!
Add hot-shoe for smaller EVF, tilt LCD + improve AF and you have a winner. I would accept 45mp sensor to keep the same price.
I appreciate that it’s actually made in Japan. I’m currently in the Fuji ecosystem and the quality of the Japan-made lenses far exceeds that of the China-made bodies. If I’m paying professional prices, it’s not too much to ask that the fit and finish be as good as consumer film cameras from the 90’s.
great videos ! I bought all my sigma lenses after seeing your videos. How do you record the screen of the cameras ?
Sigma fp is a more reasonable purchase for photos and especially for video.
When shooting with it, it is very difficult to perceive the quality level of your video.
These cameras can do much more than you demonstrate....
To be fair, he primarily reviews for photography purposes and has a limited amount of time. One of the reasons his reviews are so good is that they're not excessively long.
If you install the viewfinder, grip, and radar AF, it will be perfect, but it will be larger and more expensive than the A7CR.
I have the Sigma FP (non-L), and it's an amazing travel camera for video. I got mine on sale for $1600 including the 45mm f2.8 lens. When paired with a third-party SSD mount (DPL), it can shoot 4K RAW video while maintaining its small form factor. Add a stabilized lens or mini gimbal, and you can create some outstanding video.
Yeah, the fp / fp L really needs to be understood as a sensor in a box. It is great at being that, especially if you want to rig out a tiny cinema setup with some external storage (fp) or use it as a landscape camera (fp L). But it is a one-trick-pony. If you need any versatility look somewhere else.
3 year old camera by now.
I wish sigma released a new big photography oriented camera.
One with the now faster 60mpix sensor sony is offering
Your comment just made me remember that YT channels often review older gear when new similar gear is afoot. I hope so!
I hope you will be able to test panasonic lenses now😊
I love the L-mount alliance comcept but there are too many compromises. I just got my A7C2 and couldn‘t be happier. FP has tiny battery, no mech shutter, no EVF, no PDAF, etc…
I love and hate that you made this video! Given you’re one of my favorite creators, it was an absolute delight to hear your views on this gem of a camera. But also because you’re such a great reviewer, I can see more people getting aware of the existence of this camera and it rising in price now. 😭
Also, my comment might seem negative - I’m sorry about that! I have nothing but compliments for you! I love your videos and you’re the first person I search when I want to see a lens review and have been doing so for over half a decade now! And obviously I love the existence of this video! 😭
@mipmipmipmipmip I never thought I’d ever be a gatekeeper but as I’m entering late 20s I’m feeling like that’s the right thing to do to avoid your favorite value products from not staying value for money anymore, your favorite indie band to change their style to appease to the music corporations and masses, and your favorite wholesome bar to become overcrowded, noisy, and chaotic and have a terrible service.
I want to buy this camera new, but I'm waiting for it to drop to around 1800.00 USD. Thanks for the review.
For video work you should look at the Sigma FP, the L version with the 60mp sensor is focused (😂) more on the photography side.
With all the issues, it looks like a lower resolution sensor at most half the price would be a better selling product, I´d prefer a Canon R10 instead.
Thanks for sharing the review!
Like the regular fp?
@@Bayonet1809 Yeah, but that one has its quirks too and still I think a bit expensive. Maybe they could have made the L 45 MP and work more on the focus and those things.
@@pablojaviermuratore True. A stacked sensor like the one in the Nikon Z9 or Sony A1 would solve the shutter problems, while allowing for 8K video with lower rolling shutter.
No it has a 60mpixel sony A7S3 sensor...
I'm holding out to believe that one day, Chris will grace us with a review of a higher megapixel, Panasonic L-Mount camera with some of their native lenses. 😔
I have this camera and mainly use it for photos but Sigma totally abandoned it and some issues that can be improved with firmware never got an update. The autofocus is bad and my god it's has some crazy issues with blowing the highlights I mean its so bad. But I love the little guy just for indoors
No surprise when it comes to Sigma lens's popularity, but what about their camera? I know they exist but never seen any around... Their market share is surely very small (Any number on this?)
Heart said I should give one of these a try… but head bought the A7cr.
thanks for great sharing
I was considering this as a secondary FF camera together with my A7RIV as it is very compact, can fit easily inside the Pgytech One Go 4L V2 bag with the A7RIV + Tamron 20-40mm lens, and is compatible with Sigma's tiny i-series prime lenses. In the end, I decided to buy Lumix S9, as the Sigma fp/ fp-L doesn't have IBIS (only electronic stabilization) and the size difference between the fp and S9 is minimal. People told me that I should have bought the A7C II instead since I have e-mount lenses and is technically a better camera overall. However, I was keen on trying another ecosystem, and the S9 did not disappoint - in my opinion, the S9 produced better sooc jpeg shots than my A7RIV due to its pleasing colors.
That lack of IS spoils it for me, I cant think of any compact L lenses with stabilisation built in..
The Lumix 28-200 might be the lightest lens on L mount with IS
Probably not realistic but: 1- Could they manage to make it for other mounts, specifically the Z mount? I could see this camera as a complementary of my regular Z7 but I do not want to invest in another lens ecosystem... 2- A Nikon Z7II is cheaper at $2300. I would consider this Sigma at around $1500...
Sigma is a very interesting brand
Thank you for this interesting review although it is surprising that you give no indication whatsoever as to the kit lens or even to the lens mount.
Cameras at this price point don't come with kit lenses, and I mentioned that this is an L-mount camera in the first 15 seconds of the review
I shoot L mount and for the life of me, unless this was free I can't think why I would have it. Maybe because I have L mount lenses and I don't want to take a heavier camera somewhere? But by the time you've committed to taking a FF lens or two with you, the body size becomes less important. Sure there are smaller lenses (I love the sigma I series), but then they lack the IQ that 60mpx deserves. Hmmm.
Test L mount lens!
Canon Mark 5D
There is no camera of this name.
foveon sensor?
How much money would you need to spend on a computer to process the top quality raw video without issues ?
It’s actually raw video so that means not decompressing to edits it in the first place. Therefore you don’t need much power at all 😂 but what you need is a computer with fast ssd read so usb 3.1 gen 2
It's kind of crazy Sigma are still making bodies. They've always been a bit "weird" and I do wonder why they don't make a more traditional body if they're bothering.
I've only seen a Sigma body used twice in the wild and one of them was being tested by a photographer for Sigma.
I absolutely love Sigma's lenses I must add.
I had an sd Quattro which had a brilliant body. I hope that they make some with that form-factor.
My guess is that the really small unibody made optimal use of their new-ish special Magnesium factory. One thing I do like about that chassis is that it has so few moving parts, and is so strong, that it could be incredibly durable.
Such a niche product. They would've been better off putting the 12mp sensor in it. Pretty much video only. Anyone that takes photos at all won't want it.
If only this thing had a mechanical shutter. I would have bought it, but suffering the dynamic range hit is just too rough.
I'll buy it when it drops under £1k
The mechanical shutter also affects the quality of the bokeh, worth mentioning. Great review as always!
Hello chris, please do review on Lumix cameras and lenses. please Thank you
Seville 😍
There is no reason to get this over the a7cr... also 60mp for video seems very odd
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How is such a price tag of $ 2500 justifiable for such an electronic camera?
This is what the Panasonic Lumix S9 could have been.
Yeah especially the build quality and weather sealing
Nice❤️
This is the kind of camera you have to rig up, making it expensive to work with.
Alone, for that price, anyone would be better with an R6II or anything else really.
This thing will be 500$ in 2/3 years
Very unlikely but that would be awesome at that price 😅
It’s been out for quite a while. And I think the older one is more sought after.
Just, lol
no way. it's still $1,500
@@v_stands_for_value124 ehh, when I bought mine two/three years ago is was chaper than it was a year ago
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Lack of stabilisation and fast/mechanical shutter makes it useless for most photographers.
Not quite sure why I watched this. No stabilisation, no mech shutter, one card, short battery life, small covers that will get lost, same size as a APS-C when necessary add-one included, rolling shutter, poor ergos, price…did Sigma put any thought into the design process?
I heard no mech shutter then rage quit the video
Why are you so incredibly late to the party, Christopher? You claim to like Sigma lenses but you never checked the DG DN versions in their native system. Of course, no need to do so, as every native L-Mount lenses also available as mainstream Sony version, increasing the available second hand market - it's more difficult to sell exotic L-Mount stuff, I know.🤭Your comments on high ISO unfortunately lack of mentioning the fact that nobody needs to enlarge 60 MP like you need to do with 24 MP! I don't disagree with your findings but in practice they simply don't matter. Also, the highlight recovery is beyond every Nikon I owned so far. you didn't pay much attention to that.
I regularly use ISO 25.600 and higher and the results are (in my eyes) better than Nikon Z 6 / 7, D850. It really has loads of quirks but the advantages like tilting EVF, possible modules on 3 sides, size and weight: Tell us where else to find them!
your comments are so rude
@@wongvincent4735 And your comment lacks of any additional information to the camera.
More of a Leica competitor ,,, nice but also niche and expensive,
This camera is begging to be accessorized.
Interesting camera. As you so well said, for some it is the Holy Grail and for others it is an overpriced toy.
But one thing has to be said, they have at least reached FUji level when it comes to autofocus. (Warning sarcasm)
If only it had a tilt screen.
Tilt. Not fully articulated.
Panasonic s9 is a better and cheaper option nowadays
For most people, yes, but the fp has a Magnesium alloy unibody (which also lends it long video durations due to the dissipative design) and some special industrial features like the director's viewfinder.
I am searching for thr perfect portable camera, this can be an option....at 700 euros. Not 2500.
You find a cheaper 60Mp camera.
The original 24mp fp is cheaper, and even has some advantages depending on your intentions.
Hey Chris. Off topic, but I'd love to see you test the occasional mobile phone using your tests and charts etc. Would be really interesting to see and compare.
It took you some time to review the best landscape/street camera in the market today...
A triumph of design over any sort of practicality, Stick to lenses Sigma.
Backgroundmusic in the foreground. The music got so much in the way, that I stopped watching after 3 minutes. It is not because of preferences. It happens when pitch, rhythm or volumen are close to the narrating voice. With some hearing impairments the brain has to work the double to separate music and voice, and can make it a pain. In older videos I didn't have this problem. Thought you might wan't to know.
Sorry to hear you found that. The music is actually very low on this video, and I haven't had a complaint about music levels for years now.
@@christopherfrost Yes, I also got along. Follow your videos over years. In this one the music was louder. It happens when voice and music come "too close". Perhaps you know people complain they understand nothing at family gatherings or in loud cafes, etc. Its the same thing. But a big thank you for caring, and keep up the good work! Because of your and Irene Rudnyk's videos, I purchased recently a Canon R and the new RF-nifty-50🤗
So handsome
this really is a terrible camera
i think we all know what the "L" means in its name
Yes, and it's a deal breaker.
LEGO?
How is 2.5k reasonable for this? No EVF. No mechanical shutter. Small battery. 1 SD card. Terrible autofocus. No grip. Expensive L mount. Questionable ecosystem and support from an off brand.
This is a gimped camera in every possible way. The small size gimmick can maybe justify a price of 1.2k at most. I would buy FF Canon RP for $900 before I even look at this camera. Not to mention all the other much better FF offerings that are cheaper than 2.5k. including some that have the same small rangefinder format. Sigma must be smoking some good stuff.
Unnecessary camera😅