Some chapters have fairly standard heraldry and then some chapters have literally no info on their rank structure so fuck anybody trying to sort that let alone a guardsmen who has never seen more then one or two chapters.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 most Guard Regiments, like 95-99% of them NEVER even see a single Space Marine, there are trillions of guardsmen and billions of regiments, and there’s only roughly 1000 Space Marine Chapters in the entire galaxy Seeing a Space Marine is like meeting a figure straight out of mythology for the vast majority of guardsmen, there are a few planets where the odds are significantly different, such as Cadia before its fall, but for the majority of Imperial worlds the Space Marines are just stories told by priests
@@3adgamd3r And even if you see one, you often don´t live to speak about it, as either the enemy or your allies via strategy or purging cause your death.
Theres about three of the 20 founders that have spawned a few orders that are "nice" does a general welcome and address anti air cannons that are ai ? No. You just let them protect you
@3adgamd3r as a huge basketball fan I've always thought of it like NBA MVPs. There are tens of millions of basketball fans all over the world and only around 40-50 people have ever won the NBA MVP award. If you meet one, it's a once in a lifetime thing that you tell all your friends about.
@@Briselance It's a protection as in a way "I am just a soldier of different order of militia, you don't command me, I don't command you or my battle brothers, you have no interest with me, go and bother somebody who actually can meet your demand, with whom your interest actually lays, our conversation is pointless"
@@Briselance easy, it's "i'm not under your chain of command, so even if technically you outrank me I'm allowed to not give a flying fuck, considering my commanding officer is also present. Go bother him".
In the 4th Edition Codex, there was an Ork Boy talking to other Orks, and he talks about how Humans are pink, soft and squishy, not big mean and green like the Orks, but he doesn't point that out as their main flaw or weakness, instead, he goes on by saying that humans can't tell who's in charge except for the badges and uniforms, and he continues by mocking saying that when one wants to lord over the other he says "I'm special so you worship me" or "I know something you don't so you better listen up", he continues by saying that the funniest part is that half of them (humans) believe and half doesn't, so while they're arguing about who's in charge, the Orks keep clobbing them up good. In summary, an Ork gives a lesson to other Orks about the main weakness of humankind is not their biology or technology, but their massive and fragile ego.
I mean humanity is pretty similar to the Ork boyz. We assign importance by size as well. Guardsmen, Space Marine, Custodes, Primachs, then Big E. Each time the size increases.
The lowest ranking astarte is still hyper intelligent, as they have to caliculate battle plans on the fly, in the battle, sometimes thinking new strategies up with out knowing the full scope of the battle, in like 2 seconds. And they have to be ready for if the links in command go quiet.
Communication is indeed a big issue, many communication arrays are damaged or non functional. You can get an order and get there 4 months later when the planet is already lost, wasting 4months of travel.
@@А.Д.А-л2у Warp travel is inherently unreliable in multiple ways. One of them is that the time it takes to move somewhere can range from seconds to centuries. There is one story about an ork freeboter (I think?), whose ship exited the warp at the same place they entered, but before the actual warp jump. Said ork proceeded to kill his other version so he can have 2 of his favorite shootas.
"My lord, you all have different colours and heraldry. Sometimes it's taking some time to judge if I'm dealing with loyal or traitor and the fact that they are killing my men isn't even a deciding factor!"
"My apologies, my lord. It simply took me some time to memorize your glorious chapter's ranks and heraldry. I certainly would not want to mistakenly order a full ten hours artillery bombardment upon our... allies... A shame, that would be." "Mind your tone, mortal. Before I mind it for you." "Certainly sir. I will correct my addressing of you from now on, mutant."
@@PikachuLittlethe Marines in the video were crimson fists. Second founding, and damn near beyond reproach. The marine is not going to lose if he kills the guardsman
I'm completely convinced that 90% of the Imperium's problems would be solved instantly if people could just fucking listen to each other in command scenarios 😂
Cain, a Primarch, the emperor and an inqusitor are the only true ends of command. No one argues with their command with out trying to be funny. Some note worthy people do pop up who come close, but fall short like Lord Admiral Spire.
@@capadociaash8003 Traitor Marine at the siege of Terra: ”Are you in charge?” Perturabo: “No, I’m not. I should be. Everyone knows I should be. The loyalists are lucky I’m not. But I’m not. Talk to Horus if he lets you, I’m leaving.” Fulgrim: “Why would I care about that? Wanna bang?” Angron “AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH” Alpharius: “Yes? No? Maybe? I think I’m supposed to be dead.” Magnus: “I’m just here because I have to be. This is dumb.” Mortarion: “Nah, Horus is, now get in formation, we have to walk slowly towards this heavily defended gun emplacement.” Lorgar: “I’m supposed to be! The gods chose ME *sobs like a baby* Horus: “Yes, obviously. Now, bow before my greatness, grovel at my feet. I am the rightful ruler of mankind and my glory shall eclipse all!” Erebus: “I’ve been in charge the whole time.”
If it's a Salamander it's capable to go "Don't call me 'Lord'. We are brave soldiers of the Emperor. I'm Amenus of the Burning Company. And you, guardsman?"
One hate is one of my favorite stories from 40k. My group references it regularly. If we talk about marines laughing, we just go "click click click" because it mentions that the gemeral can hear their inter-squad vox comms clicking under their helmets, and he knows they're laughing at him.
@@anthonywright2489 Nah, Helsreach is more of "They are speaking gossip because they would rather fight in the battle in space above than to wait here idling." The general knows they are speaking in private, not laughing at him.
"Well, now that that's out of the way. I had intended to let you know an enemy attack was imminent but you're probably ten seconds from knowing they're here yourselves. Best of luck."
Commisar Cain was once sent on a diplomatic mission to act as a connection between the Guard and the Astartes of the Reclaimer Chapter. He realized it would be a harder task than he thought when a commander ranted about the Astartes hierarchy and that their highest ranking officer is "just" a sergeant, which he found disrespectful.
It's quite difficult to understand who is in commonand in a group of astartes if you're not one, especially since every chapter has is peculiarities. Not even memorizing the codex itself is enough since it's not followed by all the chapters and the ones who follows do it in various degrees
@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 or just old, or bored, or just into flashy bitz At least with Codex compliant ones, you'd be able to find the ranking officers who could at least begin pointing you to who's in charge.
@@chrisspink8873 Ogryns are strong enough to rip-off heads from Chaos Space Marines with ease. Not to mention being so stupid they won't realize they are dead and fight on regardless until somebody points it out to them. They got this.
@@chrisspink8873Those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues are gonna get bodied by good ol’ ogryns who have superior strength and numbers
I found it rather respectful really... why is saying "with all due respects" bad in that case? The astartes was simply confused why the lord general talked to him, the sergeant
@@durianten2353 This is extremely long, but formatted for easy reading. You just need to read the first 2 paragraphs, I promise. The rest of it is legit me covering my bases from trolls. I personally didn't interpret it as confusion; I took it as a show of many astartes' lack of respect of mortals. However, maybe I did interpret it wrong. He did say "...With all due respect," however I stand by this: A true show of respect would be removing your helmet, greeting the general, and then sharing intel/logistical information. Actions speak louder than words, and the Space Marines' actions felt more like a semi-veiled threat to the general. I thought of this as them thinking "We are better than you," basically. I'm ignorant to the rest of the story, so naturally of course I am open to being wrong. (You can stop reading the reply here and it'd be perfectly fine. The rest is meant for people who've been 40K fans for over a decade.) I am a new fan of 40K (4 years or so.) I don't like grimdark as a story trope at all. And I'm going to say it: 40K is NOT grimdark anymore, of course it used to have in prior editions. I firmly believe that after the Great Rift opened, 40K was no longer a grimdark setting. Personally, I do not find 40K a compelling setting if it's just parody and depression. However with G-Man and The Lion back, there is that small sliver of light. I firmly believe that the reason 40K exploded over the last few years is directly due to removing the pure grimdarkness. I'm getting this out of the way now: No, I don't love Ultramarines; I find them generic and pretty boring. But that is not a bad thing. I love the Salamanders, specifically because they try to stay connected to humanity. The scene in Pariah Nexus of the Salamander removing his helmet to comfort everyone is truly moving to me. Here's the reason I added all this explanation: I dislike the Black Templars. A lot. It's because of their selfish zealotry. This isn't saying "BT are evil," I'm not saying they need re-writting. I'm simply trying to give perspective on what makes 40K appealing to me. And having "good guys" to dislike adds a level of nuance, and that naturally makes stories better. (I genuinely wrote all of that purely because I am in no mood for trolls/old school snobby fans.) I love it when Space Marines remember that they're meant to lift humanity up; rather than taking it's place. (And I am talking about in warzones too.) If this was just an example of Space Marines being on the spectrum and a more comedic moment, that's cool, and I will concede to being a bit harsh. A misunderstanding/awkwardness is okay. That being said, I took this as the textbook "Astartes > Humans" arrogance that some chapters have.
@@XXMatt0040XX ahh your explanation makes it so much clearer to me. The comparison to the salamanders taking a helmet off in pariah nexus to this scene whos a night and day difference in regards to the amount of respect given. Thanks for giving your time to explain my silly question!
Because they are insects. They do protect humanity. How many times have marines fought on hive worlds just to die? Armageddon seems to be a prime example. And educate your self. Months of shame, learn it. And maybe you’ll see a side of marines you didn’t know of. And the inquisition is far worse to its people than marines could ever be
Space marines fight for humanity, the imperium and the god emperor. They do not fight for individual humans. Humans are rife with corruption and live a life a 10th as long as some space marines if they are lucky so it stands to reason they would struggle to relate to them thats why they fight for what humanity could be one day not for what it currently is otherwise nobody would still be fighting in the universe of 40k. There is a good quote that summarise this 'humanity has lived under a brutal regime where billions die every day for over 10 thousand years, and they are our only hope' I think everyone is aware how terrible humanity is and they fight in the hope one day when peace has finally arrived they can fix it
Irony is, for most of the "good" space marines, if an Admiral or General treat them as military assets like anything/anyone else, they'd likely get much more respect.
@@royce9018Fuck dem marines, better get more battalions of guardsmen. After all entire Imperium is primarily held together by baseline humans, not some genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues.
@@royce9018Depends heavily on the individual Chapter and which Legion they hail from. I feel like Manus’ sons wouldn’t care much. They’d see themselves as weapons rather than warriors or even soldiers, same with a few Imperial Fist and Raven Guard successors. But the more pompous and warrior like marines(Space Wolves, White Scars, Blood Angels and Ultramarines) would be disrespected by the idea of being treated like just another Combat-Asset by a Mortal Commander. Though some of them would continue fighting irrespective of how they’re treated.
@@Tyrion-Syndications I feel like the Ultramarines wouldn't care much either. Not so much because of a lack of arrogance but by how much they're integrated with their pdf.
@@ghost1591 Nah. A thousand Astarte is still a thousand. A great asset, great shock troops, but they can't be everywhere. A planet is very big for that. It's a shared effort.
@@ghost1591 My dude, half the loyal space marines in cadia were doing random bullshit disconnected from the planets actual defence. Black templars literally spent ages defending a random fucking church for example. The "canon fodder" did the actual holding back against chaos forces (and this is not unusual, guardsmen on many occasions have had to defeat chaos forces/warbands with traitor space marines on their own).
@@SeaBass215AM This. They're meant to lift humans up when needed; not to override and replace them. They're meant to inspire hope and morale, not cripple logistics.
There was no disrespect intended on the Lord General's part, so the Astartes' condescension and mockery is uncalled for. Someone like the Salamanders or Demetrian Titus would just politely correct the Lord General and guide him to who's in charge, instead of wasting time with platitudes. It's even more baffling they act that way when those Astartes are Crimson Fists, who famously have Pedro Kantor and their Chapter Master. Kantor has been shown to be one of the most patient and compassionate Chapter Masters towards regular humans, so seeing men serving under him be so callous to them is kinda jarring.
To be fair they are still sons of Dorn, so them being Callous is not surprising and in that same story where Pedro kantor is being compationate half of his remaining Astartes really weren't, voicing that they should leave mother and her children because it would just slow them down
@@JSmith99like they would know that they are space marines they have no social skills and they are sons of rogal hence they have the social skills worse than a rock
@JSmith99 But the thing is... He should be able. Space marines can fuck up an entire campaign because they don't want to coordinate their actions with the other troops. Hell, these dimwits even sabotage their own allies' effort... On top of that, high-ranking officers of the Imperial guard are the ones with actual knowledge of their theater, as they can fight on the same planet for 15 years or more.
So whats your purpose? To defend the imperium So what do you do? Make it as hard as possible to form a coherent structure in defending said imperium This is why part of me just roots for everyone else.
@@PikachuLittle like tbh why I can't get into being part of the imperium just gets boring how bad they treat their own troops like how are there even humans left most are killing each other, AND THERE ON THE SAME TEAM
This is kinda honestly why I like the Necrons so much. In my eyes they kinda deserve to rule the galaxy. They were here first. They had a way shittier planet to evolve on, their lives were miserable, they got tricked by star eating demons, and when shit hit the fan, their society was able to unite all its factions
No dude, this is a legit thing in the military. A grunt doing their job, and e1-r4/5 have no real business talking to most officers and CO's. It was considered bizarre in my ship that I consistently just walked up and engaged in conversations or asked for signatures on paperwork with officers as high as the department heads (O3/4) and could get away with just causally engaging in conversations with the CMC, XO, and CO. However I was both known for being brutally honest and uncaring about on ship politics and so a good source of info from the lower enlisted, that I really didn't care about rank all that much other than to pay it the basic respect demanded of it (I went through the motions), held several important positions on the ship, and had positions that were directly granted to me by the CO. But if you were an officer from another branch other than to pay you the basic of respect with a salute and greeting my response if any of them demanded something of me was to direct them to an officer or to tell them I have prior orders I have to follow. They were not my chain of command, it doesn't matter what rank they are, my command holds positional authority over them. And them demanding things of me I cant help them with is irritating to deal with.
"I'm sorry, it's hard to remember which among you to address when you're all trying to run away to Eye of Terror to sell your souls and are tripping over each other to do so first." "How dare you to speak to Astartes this way?!" "If as many normal people turned to Chaos proportionally as your kind does, heretics would have elected themselves as legitimate government due to overwhelming majority." Inquisitorial note: Not a single Thunder Warrior turned to Chaos.
@@TheArklyte yeah, everything goes brr... Until there no more guardsmen to pull the triggers. And marines will probably be send to penitent crusade. If you think that, firstly, guardsmen will willingly attack allied SMs, literally His Angels of Death, without them being declared traitor by official Imperial authority and, secondly, somehow win in a fight with marines that are literally in an arm's length from them proves that you need to read some codexes and re-evaluate the power disparity levels.
I would love if the next line from the General was "Great. What are we to do ?." Like, cool Mr kill bot, me and my men were sent to this hell world to fight, I'm just trying to do that. Why are we wasting time with this comical back and forth. The General rolled up polite, mis informed, but from my understanding Generals will go there whole lives never seeing a space marine.
The thing is, most space marine chapters are "holier than thou", unless you're talking to an ultramarine or a salamander, I really wouldn't expect any respect from them. Heck, they're literally hailed as grandchildren of the God Emperor. I think one mistake the general made was that he was speaking to them in a tone as if they were children. From the way it sounds as well, he's not supposed to be the one in charge, he's simply in a collaborative effort. They're not his men, he shouldn't be acting as if he has authority over them. Instead of not backing down, and saying "I'm addressing you, because you look to be the one in charge" in a condescending tone, he should've just started with "who is to be addressed" to begin with. In a collaborative effort, you don't gain respect of a separate chain of command, by slinging more disrespect.
@@citizenvulpes4562 just because you are from another branch of the military doesn't mean your rank doesn't command respect. You don't get to piss on an admiral's shoes just cause you're a soldier and not a sailor. He is a general for pete's sake. As far as one's concerned, the common Marines are just suped up soldiers, not officers.
@australianword3812 The problem with that comparison is that Astartes aren’t “just another branch”, they’re near-literally the “angels” of your religion. Even the lowliest among them can take out multiple ppl with both hands tied behind their back. It should be almost like speaking with an Inquisitor: they’re outside & above your chain of command, treat them like the demigods they are.
@@UGNAvalon Their god dispenses people worshipping him and now every single juiced up killer bot wants a Temple dedicated to them. I haven't seen a single compassionate marine corp unless they are salamanders or ultra marines or wolves. Most are just pricks
Except if you complain that you were incorrectly marked as dead and no longer are receiving paychecks. Then he might let you live as repayment, if he’s in a patient mood. Or else he might just “fix” the issue in the record..
When considering to converse with an Astartes: If he's charred and dressed in green, I'm sure he'll be keen, should he be any other kind of brother, save yourself the time and don't bother.
Imagine how many objectives in war were lost because the Astartes decided to fuck off to do a mini-quest. Must be an annoying blessing to have space marines operating in the theater
Blood Angels are usually pretty friendly, Space Wolves once nearly threw down against the Inquisition to protect civilians. Lamenters are famous for constantly doing the right thing and then getting dunked on by the universe.
That's the number one reason why astartes chapters are so fucking stupid in 40k. You had a similar short a while back where an imperial commander could not contact the commander. While Astartes should not take orders, they should be working together with the guard.
Why would they do that? a good number of space marines think of normal humans as lesser beings literally inferior and worthless meat shields so that they can do their jobs. It’s not right but it’s the truth many astartes see regular humans the same way Eldar do.
Blame the writers who want the astartes to be both super machismo badass warriors who are better than you while simultaneously being immature brats. And then blame the fans who don’t understand the irony of that.
"Welcome back!" "With all due respect, why are you addressing me?" "Oh, apologies, it is tradition among my men to show some sign of relief at the return of surviving warriors. With all the same due respect, I was hoping you could point me to your commander." "Oh, that's the big man in black." "Thank you, great warrior." Diplomacy 101
These were Crimson Fists Astartes, who work very well together with other branches of the Imperium. There are some chapters who do not care about working together with the Guard but certainly not the Crimson Fists.
Which Chapter was it at the Siege of Vraks, who were asked to take control of the spaceport, but just set charges and leveled it instead, because f%&k it. Then when talking to the astonished guard commander said basically "There, we helped", and then left, lol!
@@jasonwright8546 Might have been the Dark Angels? They I think took part in the first Astartes action on Vraks from what I recall which involved securing the main bridge over the large chasm and I think assaulting the space port but was also a disaster at the end as they unexpectedly encountered the Alpha Legion which badly cut up their assault force right at the finish line at which point they fucked off and left, leaving the guard to clean up the mess but also provoking a massive response from the Imperium.
Angel of absolution I think, successor of dark angel, then after that it's red scorpion (which does their job of securing the breach) then after that gray knight together with red hunter joined@@jasonwright8546
The Crimson Fists in this story were on a time sensitive mission. There were some scouts who went MIA under a bunch of rubble and extracting them was extremely important. Only 3 were recovered out of a full squad. You can listen to the whole story narrated by ABorderPrince.
So instead of immediately stating their mission and pointing the general to the guy in charge they waste valuable time being a group of sarcastic assholes. Sounds about right
Nothing says you fucked up like losing your temper at an astartes then having to address their chaplain… he’s going to turn the lord general into a podium to preach from.
In the Lord General defense SM are so....alien to the regular guardsman/human that they military heriarchy is out of the question to know even among the IG high rank, so these astartes have no reason to act so smug
@@marmyeaterthat’s not how military rank works. The inferior rank always acquiesces to the superior one unless there’s a doctrinal or legal reason not to and even then a certain tone of respect and submission is expected. The Astarte should how told him respectfully that he was not in commands of his detachment and then offers to direct or escort the general to the one who was. They’re the ones who acted out of line.
@@Tinnitus1445 I have three counterpoints. 1: That is not how life works. Something Warhammer is actually pretty good with considering them showing Astartes killing people for disrespect sometimes (something no living creature likes). 2: General Windbag was doing this while their CO was right there and they were already acting under his orders to look for their missing scouts. (As a side note: these are Crimson Fists, and normally work alongside the Wall of Guns pretty well.) 3: That's not how the military in 30/40k has ever worked. The different branches have almost never tolerated disrespect, and Astartes in particular have never truly cared about any reprimand save those given to them by their primarch, the Emperor, and the times when what they were reprimanded for doing things that directly contradict what their primarch or the Emperor have taught/told them (and that is generally the order they care about those in). So, unless Dorn and the Emperor are suddenly against Astartes being rude when disrespected, and Roboute and Lion are all for it AND interfering in how individual chapters that aren't their gene-sons behave on a fundamental level, the odds of them wanting to do, trying to do, or managing to do anything meaningful are between zero and none.
@@marmyeater that’s probably why they have a reputation for being unreliable on the strategic level and going off to do whatever they want instead of acquiescing to the big picture. A powerful asset when they want to and a vain distraction when they don’t. Their level of independence to the Astro Militarum doesn’t serve very well. Ideally they should be folded into it as an SF force and not a separate entity entirely. A general should not have to walk on eggshells around the troops he has bigger things to worry about than offending them.
Imagine having the privilege to have even a basic understanding of the Codex Astartes, and assuming the proper rank of a Space Marine. Only to find out they’re not a Codex Compliant chapter and you’re speaking to a “dread sword claw captain” or some shit. It must be confusing for mortals.
And this is why the first HQ unit I ever got was a chaplain. Gave him a name and everything, dolled him up with bits and bobs from my other two kits I have currently
These astartes never realized that that lord commander will do more for the imperium in his short, weak life then most of them ever will, if the imperium lost the space marines it would be a great loss, if the imperium lost the guard there wouldn’t be an imperium
@@cybronikai1957 and yet they were still necessary for the imperium to form, like the Astartes, and more disposable than the guard, much like the Astartes
given the hundreds of chapters that have come up with their own themed ranks I don't blame him. the astramilitarum has billions in its service but they all have the same rank structure.
Lord solar mecharius had the respect and out right admiration of most space marine chapters due to him straight up conquering the galaxy faster then the horus heresys and conquered more worlds then primarchs. With no more then a few chapters who went along for the ride and imperial gaurd.
When it comes to astarte's in Warhammer, you always go to address the most terrifying looking one of the space Marines 90% of the time they'll be the ones in charge
This reminds me of a running joke in Fallout 2 when you wear Advanced Power armor, which I will now translate to 40k terms. "Yes, I'm the Lord General in charge here. Don't bother telling me your name, you Astartes all look the same in that armor."
-dark angels take you in for “questioning” so they can figure out why you thought taking that tack was a good idea -you don’t have this problem with the white scars, and they accept your nicknames based on their armour adornment, such as “three-tyrants” and “sslythshoulders” -space wolfs laugh at you but your name will make it into a song later -imperial fists sit you down and explain -blood angels blush under their helmets and fantasise about you pegging them -iron hands are nonplussed, so long as your orders and tactical calls are effective -ultramarines let you off with a warning. Once. -Salamanders comment on your admirable courage, but bid that you save your defiance for the foe -Raven guard make your death look accidental
It all depends. Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Salamanders, White Scars, and Space Wolves. . you'll USUALLY get a good response. You might even be able to joke with them depending. Star Phantoms, Dark Angels, or Marines Malevolent? Forget about it.
I mean, even Creed hated working with Astartes. They are incapable of working in unison with the Guard, refusing to follow orders and acting independently even to the detriment of the larger war effort.
@@falkyrie5228And Dark angels would just fuck off to the middle of nowhere with no prior warning. Although I imagine he's never worked with the first founding chapters or lamenters before?
In the short novel of Ciaphas Cain "The echoes of the Tomb", there's a situation where a skitarii force led by a lieutenant, will probably have to take orders or at least advices from an oncoming squad of Space Marines, led by a sergeant.... which clearly upset the lieutenant ^^ Well of course, he won't have to meet the Space Marines, because they're all dead when the Marines arrive except for Cain. That's what happens when you awake a necron tomb world XD
I swear, seeing all the astartes simp in this comment section is something else. "How dare a human character make a mistake in front of their supermhuman overlords?" It is completely justified for the astartes to act like pricks and waste time instead of simply correcting the general?*
Buddy... They're astartes, centuries old demigods indoctrinated to be absolutely loyal to their primarcs and the imperium, and who are btw very used to sacrifice innocents for their cause they're not gonna care about one general from one of the millions of worlds the imperium has.
@@rzu1474 On Space Marines, it doesn't really matter which Chapter you're dealing with, their Chaplains all wear black, all have skull helmets, and all carry a specific weapon/badge of office and all wear a specific medallion on their armour. The general's unawareness of that fact is very, very out of place.
I just love the idea that the marines did not point behind themselves to indicate the presence of the Chaplain, but instead pointed to behind the General and the Chaplain is just standing like half an inch behind him XD
Best way to identify a ranking SM is via the helmet, its design, the helm's colour, the colour and bling on his armour(almost a definite chance if wearing artificier armour), how blinged up his weapon is(higher chance if dual wielding a melee weapon and a pistol) and if he is not wearing a helmet he may not be a SM officer but the likelihood that he is a very famous his high.
How would a normal human differentiate Artificer armor from regular power armor. Moreover there are a ton of veteran sergeants that wear relic armor. And now with the Era Indomitus, you might see mixed forces of first born and Primaris marines wearing 6 or 7 different marks and patterns of armor. Differentiating between them all as a normal human who might have never seen a space marine before would be *extremely* difficult.
Reminds me of The Trials of Azrael, where he tells Kharn the Betrayer he's the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels. Kharn's reply? "Of course, that ridiculous helmet should have given you away."
At some point I'd just stop addressing the Space Marines unless its clear they wanted to be addressed. Like, a third of the time, the Guard could just go on acting as if the Space Marines weren't even there and it would probably improve the chance of success for both parties.
Simple it depends what chapter you talk to. Like ultramarines,imperial fist (sometimes) salamenders, space wolves or blood angels, you can comunicate wirhout too much difficulty. But if you talk to space marines like the malevolent, minotaur or others like them. Well, better to stfu
The weird part about this exchange is that the Marines were Crimson Fists, which by all accounts are some of the most humane and respectful towards mortals among the Astartes. Then again, they had barely survived the war for their homeworld.
This is the problem with snippets. The enitre short story makes more sense. The fists arrive and prevent the guard from being over run. The generals men rejoice but the general points out that the astartes will keep to their own mission. The Crimson Fists depart to save some scouts burried the rubble and prepare to leave. The guard finally about to be over run are reinforced when the marines return. There's a running theme on the choice between fighting to save them and preserving the crimson fists. Of course the faction cultists will instantly scream and cry about how there favorites were bullied.
@@Cabooseforprez2012 i am so tired of people overvaluing Imperial Guard. No shit, without them Imperium would fall. But don't paint them as someone who is solely responsible for that. There are heroes in the Guard, sure. But it's extremely rare, and whole battalions could be executed for cowardice. There are great regiments, like Cadians, Kriegers, Catachans and many others, but of the Guard are not very good. They are barely functional.
@@АрсенийСмирнов-ю8кand yet they’re vastly more useful that Space Marines in 99% of circumstances. It’s just that 98% of those stories aren’t interesting enough to warrant telling
@@PikachuLittle The only reason they're as "useful" as you say is the fact they are sent in droves to drown the enemy in corpses. And that doesn't put a dent in the Imperium at large. Kriegers are known to do suicide chargers if it means they will accomplish something relevant. They don't care how many will die. Remember the Space Marines and Solar Auxiliaria were the true bulk of the Great Crusade, not your overrated an glazed Guardsmen.
General: "Listen up you Grim Reaper wannabe, I disrespect whoever I want - whenever I want - because I don't give shit. I'm here to fight Chaos, not be respectful to your sorry ass who couldn't kill Horus when you had the CHANCE!" 🤬 Chaplain: "Why are you yelling at me?" 😐
If there's anything I've learned about space marine lore, its that you NEVER disrespect a chaplain
That’s how it be in irl lore too lol
Or a librarian, or a apothecary, or a champion, or a tech-marine...
@@faity5649 or a scout marine for that matter
@@mistadangerzone8362or any other type of marine, dont disrespect any of them
Same thing in the real Military lol
Imagine having such a sick drip as a sargeant that someone have mistaken you for Captain. I would take that as a compliment
When it comes from such haughty people as this one, I can get why they dont give a F.
@@dwarfie24what on gods green earth is your comment even supposed to mean.
When it comes from people as haughty as this one, I can understand why they don't give a fuck.@@Cubert0331
@@Cubert0331I think the first part is meant to say “when it comes”
@@Cubert0331 My guess:
When it comes from such haughty people as this one (the guard commander), I can see why they (the SM) don't give a fuck.
Well with a thousand different orders of Space Marines which do or do not adhere to the Codex Astartes i cannot blame the general XD
Some chapters have fairly standard heraldry and then some chapters have literally no info on their rank structure so fuck anybody trying to sort that let alone a guardsmen who has never seen more then one or two chapters.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 most Guard Regiments, like 95-99% of them NEVER even see a single Space Marine, there are trillions of guardsmen and billions of regiments, and there’s only roughly 1000 Space Marine Chapters in the entire galaxy
Seeing a Space Marine is like meeting a figure straight out of mythology for the vast majority of guardsmen, there are a few planets where the odds are significantly different, such as Cadia before its fall, but for the majority of Imperial worlds the Space Marines are just stories told by priests
@@3adgamd3r And even if you see one, you often don´t live to speak about it, as either the enemy or your allies via strategy or purging cause your death.
Theres about three of the 20 founders that have spawned a few orders that are "nice" does a general welcome and address anti air cannons that are ai ? No. You just let them protect you
@3adgamd3r as a huge basketball fan I've always thought of it like NBA MVPs. There are tens of millions of basketball fans all over the world and only around 40-50 people have ever won the NBA MVP award. If you meet one, it's a once in a lifetime thing that you tell all your friends about.
I enjoy that this isn't a "You're not a high enough rank to bother me" it's a "I'm not a high enough rank to be bothered by you"
How would being vastly outranked be a "protection" against being bothered? I don't quite get it.
@@Briselance It's a protection as in a way "I am just a soldier of different order of militia, you don't command me, I don't command you or my battle brothers, you have no interest with me, go and bother somebody who actually can meet your demand, with whom your interest actually lays, our conversation is pointless"
@@Briselance easy, it's "i'm not under your chain of command, so even if technically you outrank me I'm allowed to not give a flying fuck, considering my commanding officer is also present. Go bother him".
To my knowledge, even the lowest ranking Space Marine is a Mylord to every single Guardsman.
@@Chiron84
True, true. There is a big part of politeness in that. But an actual authority? I don't know.
Anyway. Good day to you.
In the 4th Edition Codex, there was an Ork Boy talking to other Orks, and he talks about how Humans are pink, soft and squishy, not big mean and green like the Orks, but he doesn't point that out as their main flaw or weakness, instead, he goes on by saying that humans can't tell who's in charge except for the badges and uniforms, and he continues by mocking saying that when one wants to lord over the other he says "I'm special so you worship me" or "I know something you don't so you better listen up", he continues by saying that the funniest part is that half of them (humans) believe and half doesn't, so while they're arguing about who's in charge, the Orks keep clobbing them up good.
In summary, an Ork gives a lesson to other Orks about the main weakness of humankind is not their biology or technology, but their massive and fragile ego.
I mean humanity is pretty similar to the Ork boyz. We assign importance by size as well. Guardsmen, Space Marine, Custodes, Primachs, then Big E. Each time the size increases.
All the practical, real-world applicable stuff in 40k comes from the mouths of Boyz.
thank you for that!
That boy must have been reading text in red ink.
These low intelligent mushrooms have no idea what they talking about. Size of the shoulder pads determine importance!
I find the astartes going "no, you don't address me either" before even having the General speak funny. He read him in a instant.
The lowest ranking astarte is still hyper intelligent, as they have to caliculate battle plans on the fly, in the battle, sometimes thinking new strategies up with out knowing the full scope of the battle, in like 2 seconds. And they have to be ready for if the links in command go quiet.
@@VA_Nightshadeyou would think so in the way they are hyped up. But theres nothing to See there in the Horus Heresy books
@@Hangman11 Horus Heresy mass production vs Post Heresy slow production.
@@Daktanglenah, it’s just that nobody at GW has any understanding of tactics beyond “shoot thing with big gun until it stops moving”
@@PikachuLittle
"What if we group up-"
"AAND HIT IT 'TIL IT DIES"
"... May I go back to talking to the sergeant?"
**CHAPLAIN VIBRATING FURIOUSLY**
*phone vibration noises*
"Your space marine is ringing"
Vibrating in such fury that he can phase through walls.
@@patrickiamonfire965
C'Tan: IMPOSSIBURU
Grimaldus: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Someone gonna answer that?
REPEEEEEEEEENT!
That was an unreasonably intense "ME."
Well
It IS a chaplain
I disagree
It wasn’t intense, just frustrated at the entire debacle.
It's a chaplain, hes shitting his power breeches
Chaplains have no chill
"You do not address me, either"
The way he spoke the line is somehow, really hilarious.
It also makes me think that that particular Marine has dealt with that very scenario before.
Communication is indeed a big issue, many communication arrays are damaged or non functional. You can get an order and get there 4 months later when the planet is already lost, wasting 4months of travel.
@@Xaffire Um, where does 4 months come from if all space transfers occur through warp?
@@А.Д.А-л2у Warp travel is inherently unreliable in multiple ways. One of them is that the time it takes to move somewhere can range from seconds to centuries.
There is one story about an ork freeboter (I think?), whose ship exited the warp at the same place they entered, but before the actual warp jump. Said ork proceeded to kill his other version so he can have 2 of his favorite shootas.
@@gehtdichnixan9005 This is exactly what I meant, since the Warp creates a “space-time sleeve”.
Dude must of met a Salamander for his first Space Marine and thought they were all like that lmao
*must have
must have*
*must have
must've*
*must've
The chaplain in the corner waiting angrily for the commander to realize he’s in charge
Menacing staring intensifies
"They forgot I'm him."
Why isn't the captain being addressed? The chapter master ror captain is usually the highest up in the hierarchy?
@@heywoodyablom captains are too valuable to lead every mission and chaplains are still fantastic leaders but technically not as high ranking
@@FrozenPyro06 thanks mate, I was split between thinking it was just disrespect and the captain not leading this mission personally.
Smart-ass Astartes. 😂
Smart-Asstartes?
@@joshuablakeney2983 Smart Ass Tarts
Smartes
Smart ADD TARTARE SAUCE YOU NONCE
Missed opportunity
"My lord, you all have different colours and heraldry. Sometimes it's taking some time to judge if I'm dealing with loyal or traitor and the fact that they are killing my men isn't even a deciding factor!"
Him saying that would have his head vacated from his body
@@samuraibear5102but he would’ve been right.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 Yes, but I guess many people had that on their toombstone.
@@icecoldpolitics8890 no, he wouldn’t, and even if it were true saying it still does not make him right
@Desm0708 He absolutely wouldve been right. There are multiple instances of Space Marine friendly fire against the guardsmen
"My apologies, my lord. It simply took me some time to memorize your glorious chapter's ranks and heraldry. I certainly would not want to mistakenly order a full ten hours artillery bombardment upon our... allies... A shame, that would be."
"Mind your tone, mortal. Before I mind it for you."
"Certainly sir. I will correct my addressing of you from now on, mutant."
Random Guardsman: “you know he could kill you right?”
General: “At this point it’s become a game. He knows if he kills me, he loses”
@@PikachuLittlethe Marines in the video were crimson fists. Second founding, and damn near beyond reproach. The marine is not going to lose if he kills the guardsman
@@insertedgynamehere That's why the imperium is a fucked up place. The single reason being no one gives a damn about anything.
@@insertedgynamehere Its a reference to DBZ Abridged. Vegita and Tenshenhon have this thing between them... its funny.
I like this general.
“Who the devil do I speak to!?”
*Chaplin stands there menacingly*
“… He’s right behind me isn’t he?”
Lmao
Why did this kill me? Lmao
@@gabezepeda5010 *intense stare* rigth behind his neck
Executed for mentioning devils
I'm completely convinced that 90% of the Imperium's problems would be solved instantly if people could just fucking listen to each other in command scenarios 😂
“Excuse me are you in charge?”
“No it’s him over there”
“Thanks”
No more pointless drama
I feel only a few have the talknojutsu art within them, say maybe only Sanginius and maybe Ciaphas Cain.
Cain, a Primarch, the emperor and an inqusitor are the only true ends of command. No one argues with their command with out trying to be funny. Some note worthy people do pop up who come close, but fall short like Lord Admiral Spire.
For clarity: I was listening to "The Fall of Cadia" when I made this comment. I still stand by what I said.
@@capadociaash8003 Traitor Marine at the siege of Terra: ”Are you in charge?”
Perturabo: “No, I’m not. I should be. Everyone knows I should be. The loyalists are lucky I’m not. But I’m not. Talk to Horus if he lets you, I’m leaving.”
Fulgrim: “Why would I care about that? Wanna bang?”
Angron “AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”
Alpharius: “Yes? No? Maybe? I think I’m supposed to be dead.”
Magnus: “I’m just here because I have to be. This is dumb.”
Mortarion: “Nah, Horus is, now get in formation, we have to walk slowly towards this heavily defended gun emplacement.”
Lorgar: “I’m supposed to be! The gods chose ME *sobs like a baby*
Horus: “Yes, obviously. Now, bow before my greatness, grovel at my feet. I am the rightful ruler of mankind and my glory shall eclipse all!”
Erebus: “I’ve been in charge the whole time.”
Guardsman: hey, welcome back lord
Space marine: ohh I like this one
😅😂😂
Hugs guardsmen "no one will ever believe you"
If it's a Salamander it's capable to go "Don't call me 'Lord'. We are brave soldiers of the Emperor. I'm Amenus of the Burning Company. And you, guardsman?"
@@pedroivantaveraferreira3037 errr my buddies call me tiny tim my lord errr I mean big green man
@@art-o-cart5166”absolutely… no one”
One hate is one of my favorite stories from 40k. My group references it regularly. If we talk about marines laughing, we just go "click click click" because it mentions that the gemeral can hear their inter-squad vox comms clicking under their helmets, and he knows they're laughing at him.
Isn't that from Helsreach?
That sounds like Helsreach.
All those jokes I make about Astartes being beetles or some kind of bug kinda seem more accurate than they should now lol
@@AdeptKing nah. Its in the nightlords ominbus when the nightlords are laughing at the corsairs while using their teminators as bullet shields
@@anthonywright2489 Nah, Helsreach is more of
"They are speaking gossip because they would rather fight in the battle in space above than to wait here idling."
The general knows they are speaking in private, not laughing at him.
"Well, now that that's out of the way. I had intended to let you know an enemy attack was imminent but you're probably ten seconds from knowing they're here yourselves. Best of luck."
Commisar Cain was once sent on a diplomatic mission to act as a connection between the Guard and the Astartes of the Reclaimer Chapter.
He realized it would be a harder task than he thought when a commander ranted about the Astartes hierarchy and that their highest ranking officer is "just" a sergeant, which he found disrespectful.
It's quite difficult to understand who is in commonand in a group of astartes if you're not one, especially since every chapter has is peculiarities.
Not even memorizing the codex itself is enough since it's not followed by all the chapters and the ones who follows do it in various degrees
Yup. They should just send a pdf stating stuff like that before going on the campaign. This level of disorder is just goddamn stupid.
If in doubt, use ork logic. The flashiest git is clearly the one in charge.
@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 the dude here tried and failed, ork logic is for da boyz only
@@EVILSCOTSMAN2k11 or just old, or bored, or just into flashy bitz
At least with Codex compliant ones, you'd be able to find the ranking officers who could at least begin pointing you to who's in charge.
It's like having an imperial noble try and figure out who is in charge in the Catachan regiment.
Meanwhile the ogryns behind generals were ready to protect favorite humies if can man try some shit
They’d die valiantly might even kill a space marine lol.
@@chrisspink8873 replace might with will, as even Horus had problems against slightly argumented ogryns during HH
@@chrisspink8873 Ogryns are strong enough to rip-off heads from Chaos Space Marines with ease. Not to mention being so stupid they won't realize they are dead and fight on regardless until somebody points it out to them.
They got this.
@@chrisspink8873Those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues are gonna get bodied by good ol’ ogryns who have superior strength and numbers
@@CommanderBohn feel like they are too slow. Atleast in the books where I’ve seen them take on space marines. They have to get lucky in grabbing them.
"With all due respect..."
Okay, wow. I feel like that was the cruelest way an Astartes can say to neg an un-augmented human.
It's got the same kind of energy of "Is this your child?"
Nice way of telling someone off I guess.
I found it rather respectful really... why is saying "with all due respects" bad in that case? The astartes was simply confused why the lord general talked to him, the sergeant
@@durianten2353 This is extremely long, but formatted for easy reading. You just need to read the first 2 paragraphs, I promise. The rest of it is legit me covering my bases from trolls.
I personally didn't interpret it as confusion; I took it as a show of many astartes' lack of respect of mortals. However, maybe I did interpret it wrong.
He did say "...With all due respect," however I stand by this: A true show of respect would be removing your helmet, greeting the general, and then sharing intel/logistical information. Actions speak louder than words, and the Space Marines' actions felt more like a semi-veiled threat to the general. I thought of this as them thinking "We are better than you," basically.
I'm ignorant to the rest of the story, so naturally of course I am open to being wrong.
(You can stop reading the reply here and it'd be perfectly fine. The rest is meant for people who've been 40K fans for over a decade.)
I am a new fan of 40K (4 years or so.) I don't like grimdark as a story trope at all. And I'm going to say it: 40K is NOT grimdark anymore, of course it used to have in prior editions. I firmly believe that after the Great Rift opened, 40K was no longer a grimdark setting.
Personally, I do not find 40K a compelling setting if it's just parody and depression. However with G-Man and The Lion back, there is that small sliver of light. I firmly believe that the reason 40K exploded over the last few years is directly due to removing the pure grimdarkness.
I'm getting this out of the way now: No, I don't love Ultramarines; I find them generic and pretty boring. But that is not a bad thing. I love the Salamanders, specifically because they try to stay connected to humanity. The scene in Pariah Nexus of the Salamander removing his helmet to comfort everyone is truly moving to me.
Here's the reason I added all this explanation: I dislike the Black Templars. A lot. It's because of their selfish zealotry. This isn't saying "BT are evil," I'm not saying they need re-writting. I'm simply trying to give perspective on what makes 40K appealing to me. And having "good guys" to dislike adds a level of nuance, and that naturally makes stories better.
(I genuinely wrote all of that purely because I am in no mood for trolls/old school snobby fans.)
I love it when Space Marines remember that they're meant to lift humanity up; rather than taking it's place. (And I am talking about in warzones too.)
If this was just an example of Space Marines being on the spectrum and a more comedic moment, that's cool, and I will concede to being a bit harsh. A misunderstanding/awkwardness is okay. That being said, I took this as the textbook "Astartes > Humans" arrogance that some chapters have.
@@XXMatt0040XX ahh your explanation makes it so much clearer to me. The comparison to the salamanders taking a helmet off in pariah nexus to this scene whos a night and day difference in regards to the amount of respect given.
Thanks for giving your time to explain my silly question!
Marines forget why they fight. They're supposed to the protector of humanity. But in moat cases I've seen they treat ordinary humans like insects.
they protect them that's it
@@thewhitewonderer3424 they are bastards who lost sight of what it's actually about.
Because they are insects. They do protect humanity. How many times have marines fought on hive worlds just to die? Armageddon seems to be a prime example. And educate your self. Months of shame, learn it. And maybe you’ll see a side of marines you didn’t know of.
And the inquisition is far worse to its people than marines could ever be
Space marines fight for humanity, the imperium and the god emperor. They do not fight for individual humans. Humans are rife with corruption and live a life a 10th as long as some space marines if they are lucky so it stands to reason they would struggle to relate to them thats why they fight for what humanity could be one day not for what it currently is otherwise nobody would still be fighting in the universe of 40k. There is a good quote that summarise this 'humanity has lived under a brutal regime where billions die every day for over 10 thousand years, and they are our only hope' I think everyone is aware how terrible humanity is and they fight in the hope one day when peace has finally arrived they can fix it
Protectors not baby sitters
It’s either the one covered in the most blood, or the one you’re convinced is trying to be edgiest looking but can actually make it work
Irony is, for most of the "good" space marines, if an Admiral or General treat them as military assets like anything/anyone else, they'd likely get much more respect.
If anyone treated them that way they would quickly lose their marine support, lol
@@royce9018Fuck dem marines, better get more battalions of guardsmen. After all entire Imperium is primarily held together by baseline humans, not some genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues.
@@royce9018Depends heavily on the individual Chapter and which Legion they hail from.
I feel like Manus’ sons wouldn’t care much. They’d see themselves as weapons rather than warriors or even soldiers, same with a few Imperial Fist and Raven Guard successors.
But the more pompous and warrior like marines(Space Wolves, White Scars, Blood Angels and Ultramarines) would be disrespected by the idea of being treated like just another Combat-Asset by a Mortal Commander. Though some of them would continue fighting irrespective of how they’re treated.
@@Tyrion-Syndications I feel like the Ultramarines wouldn't care much either. Not so much because of a lack of arrogance but by how much they're integrated with their pdf.
@@JeRefuseDeBienPrononcerBaleine
For a second I couldn’t figure out if you meant pdf like adobe or pdf like defense force.
I mean, their rules are in totally different Rulebooks, even!
They were in the same book and shared most of their stuff in the 1st edition, the Squats were in there as well
Well atleast they correct his mistake, unlike some other chapters, particularly the one thats pretty fucking malevolent.
Like the Marines Malevolent?
@@randalftheblack2572 or the Angry Marines 😂
@@guyver441 The former would pop a bolt in his ass. The latter would be more likely to use him as a snowboard.
@@guyver441those don’t exist, dead meme is dead
@@BoatmayneThaUnsinkable they're still most fun
Bro did the book really say "ME!!!" in like, size 54 font like you just yelled it? that would be badass.
"Dude, I clean toilets. Why do you think I can help."
The space marines forget who actually does the bulk of the fighting.
They forget why they fight... 🤦♂️
"Bulk of the fighting" aka cannon fodder
@@ghost1591 Nah. A thousand Astarte is still a thousand. A great asset, great shock troops, but they can't be everywhere. A planet is very big for that. It's a shared effort.
@@ghost1591 My dude, half the loyal space marines in cadia were doing random bullshit disconnected from the planets actual defence. Black templars literally spent ages defending a random fucking church for example. The "canon fodder" did the actual holding back against chaos forces (and this is not unusual, guardsmen on many occasions have had to defeat chaos forces/warbands with traitor space marines on their own).
@@SeaBass215AM This. They're meant to lift humans up when needed; not to override and replace them.
They're meant to inspire hope and morale, not cripple logistics.
There was no disrespect intended on the Lord General's part, so the Astartes' condescension and mockery is uncalled for. Someone like the Salamanders or Demetrian Titus would just politely correct the Lord General and guide him to who's in charge, instead of wasting time with platitudes. It's even more baffling they act that way when those Astartes are Crimson Fists, who famously have Pedro Kantor and their Chapter Master. Kantor has been shown to be one of the most patient and compassionate Chapter Masters towards regular humans, so seeing men serving under him be so callous to them is kinda jarring.
To be fair they are still sons of Dorn, so them being Callous is not surprising and in that same story where Pedro kantor is being compationate half of his remaining Astartes really weren't, voicing that they should leave mother and her children because it would just slow them down
The general having a thrill that he could command Astartes undermines your point.
@@JSmith99like they would know that they are space marines they have no social skills and they are sons of rogal hence they have the social skills worse than a rock
PEDRO PEDRO PEDRO! 🎉
@JSmith99 But the thing is... He should be able. Space marines can fuck up an entire campaign because they don't want to coordinate their actions with the other troops. Hell, these dimwits even sabotage their own allies' effort...
On top of that, high-ranking officers of the Imperial guard are the ones with actual knowledge of their theater, as they can fight on the same planet for 15 years or more.
So whats your purpose?
To defend the imperium
So what do you do?
Make it as hard as possible to form a coherent structure in defending said imperium
This is why part of me just roots for everyone else.
When Orkz have a more coherent and functional chain of command than you, someone has messed up bigly
@@PikachuLittle like tbh why I can't get into being part of the imperium just gets boring how bad they treat their own troops like how are there even humans left most are killing each other, AND THERE ON THE SAME TEAM
Thank idiot Guilliman for turning 9 legions into hundreds of chapters.
@@PikachuLittle always blame Magnus
This is kinda honestly why I like the Necrons so much. In my eyes they kinda deserve to rule the galaxy. They were here first. They had a way shittier planet to evolve on, their lives were miserable, they got tricked by star eating demons, and when shit hit the fan, their society was able to unite all its factions
general: "so who am i talking to!?"
SM: "the priest..."
general: "oh f***!"
This is why i like salamanders, their generally nicer….”welcome back” *sticks nose up at* “why you adressing me” like geeze were on same side man
No dude, this is a legit thing in the military. A grunt doing their job, and e1-r4/5 have no real business talking to most officers and CO's. It was considered bizarre in my ship that I consistently just walked up and engaged in conversations or asked for signatures on paperwork with officers as high as the department heads (O3/4) and could get away with just causally engaging in conversations with the CMC, XO, and CO. However I was both known for being brutally honest and uncaring about on ship politics and so a good source of info from the lower enlisted, that I really didn't care about rank all that much other than to pay it the basic respect demanded of it (I went through the motions), held several important positions on the ship, and had positions that were directly granted to me by the CO.
But if you were an officer from another branch other than to pay you the basic of respect with a salute and greeting my response if any of them demanded something of me was to direct them to an officer or to tell them I have prior orders I have to follow. They were not my chain of command, it doesn't matter what rank they are, my command holds positional authority over them. And them demanding things of me I cant help them with is irritating to deal with.
"I'm sorry, it's hard to remember which among you to address when you're all trying to run away to Eye of Terror to sell your souls and are tripping over each other to do so first."
"How dare you to speak to Astartes this way?!"
"If as many normal people turned to Chaos proportionally as your kind does, heretics would have elected themselves as legitimate government due to overwhelming majority."
Inquisitorial note:
Not a single Thunder Warrior turned to Chaos.
Preach it, brother! (Although don't, because the Imperial Truth forbids that)
Powerful are the Astartes. Emotionally mature they are not.
POV: You see your Lord General from a distance becoming a pile of broken meat, and you are horrified.
@@NovantisGrimwal Astartes had gone rogue, as expected, well melta and tanks go brrr...
@@TheArklyte He was right in the end. Oh well. Anyway, send out a distress signal to the Red Talons and hold the position.
@@TheArklyte yeah, everything goes brr... Until there no more guardsmen to pull the triggers. And marines will probably be send to penitent crusade.
If you think that, firstly, guardsmen will willingly attack allied SMs, literally His Angels of Death, without them being declared traitor by official Imperial authority and, secondly, somehow win in a fight with marines that are literally in an arm's length from them proves that you need to read some codexes and re-evaluate the power disparity levels.
I would love if the next line from the General was "Great. What are we to do ?."
Like, cool Mr kill bot, me and my men were sent to this hell world to fight, I'm just trying to do that. Why are we wasting time with this comical back and forth.
The General rolled up polite, mis informed, but from my understanding Generals will go there whole lives never seeing a space marine.
The thing is, most space marine chapters are "holier than thou", unless you're talking to an ultramarine or a salamander, I really wouldn't expect any respect from them.
Heck, they're literally hailed as grandchildren of the God Emperor. I think one mistake the general made was that he was speaking to them in a tone as if they were children. From the way it sounds as well, he's not supposed to be the one in charge, he's simply in a collaborative effort. They're not his men, he shouldn't be acting as if he has authority over them.
Instead of not backing down, and saying "I'm addressing you, because you look to be the one in charge" in a condescending tone, he should've just started with "who is to be addressed" to begin with.
In a collaborative effort, you don't gain respect of a separate chain of command, by slinging more disrespect.
@@citizenvulpes4562 just because you are from another branch of the military doesn't mean your rank doesn't command respect. You don't get to piss on an admiral's shoes just cause you're a soldier and not a sailor. He is a general for pete's sake. As far as one's concerned, the common Marines are just suped up soldiers, not officers.
@australianword3812 The problem with that comparison is that Astartes aren’t “just another branch”, they’re near-literally the “angels” of your religion. Even the lowliest among them can take out multiple ppl with both hands tied behind their back. It should be almost like speaking with an Inquisitor: they’re outside & above your chain of command, treat them like the demigods they are.
@@UGNAvalon Their god dispenses people worshipping him and now every single juiced up killer bot wants a Temple dedicated to them. I haven't seen a single compassionate marine corp unless they are salamanders or ultra marines or wolves. Most are just pricks
Meanwhile Grimaldus: "We are forever in your debt steel legionerre!"
Chad Grimuldas
Grimmy is a top lad.
Except if you complain that you were incorrectly marked as dead and no longer are receiving paychecks.
Then he might let you live as repayment, if he’s in a patient mood.
Or else he might just “fix” the issue in the record..
He is pure.
That was really funny 😂😂😂😂
I love how this is just a simple conversation dipped in a bit of confusion. And the intensity level kicked up to 100 for no reason.
When considering to converse with an Astartes:
If he's charred and dressed in green, I'm sure he'll be keen,
should he be any other kind of brother, save yourself the time and don't bother.
I'm sure the Lamenters would be chill too.
Man the more of how I hear about how space marines treat regular people the less I like them (salamanders are cool tho)
Imagine how many objectives in war were lost because the Astartes decided to fuck off to do a mini-quest. Must be an annoying blessing to have space marines operating in the theater
Blood Angels are usually pretty friendly, Space Wolves once nearly threw down against the Inquisition to protect civilians. Lamenters are famous for constantly doing the right thing and then getting dunked on by the universe.
I wonder if there were any moments when baseline humans just snap and light those genetically engineered space autists with daddy issues up
Astartes, just like the Imperium as a whole, aren't the good guys. You're not supposed to like them, or any other faction for that matter.
@@justwannabehappy6735 i mean you can at least respect the guard
That's the number one reason why astartes chapters are so fucking stupid in 40k. You had a similar short a while back where an imperial commander could not contact the commander. While Astartes should not take orders, they should be working together with the guard.
Depends on the chapter, who you are, and if your name is Yarrick.
Why would they do that? a good number of space marines think of normal humans as lesser beings literally inferior and worthless meat shields so that they can do their jobs.
It’s not right but it’s the truth many astartes see regular humans the same way Eldar do.
Blame the writers who want the astartes to be both super machismo badass warriors who are better than you while simultaneously being immature brats.
And then blame the fans who don’t understand the irony of that.
@@CuriousLumenwoodthey are better your just coping
That’s why my homebrew Chapters typically will fight alongside a guardsmen regiment or several.
Ah yes the Chaplain. The Astartes PR department for sure...
"Welcome back!"
"With all due respect, why are you addressing me?"
"Oh, apologies, it is tradition among my men to show some sign of relief at the return of surviving warriors. With all the same due respect, I was hoping you could point me to your commander."
"Oh, that's the big man in black."
"Thank you, great warrior."
Diplomacy 101
"With all due respect" said the Space Marine, with the maximum possible amount of disrespect.
General: *who am I to address of you miscreants?!*
Pointing to Literally death: m̶̡̛͕̺̖͔͈͔̰̟̭̲̎́̊͐̈́͌̓̔̚͟ê̴̡̥͖͍̣̣͓̜͖͙̏͊̒̃̀͜͟͠
Bro spoke in bold and all caps. *ME*
I can't help but hear "...bitch" at de end of each space marine answer
if they are from the emperor malevolent then yes and also the general would be shot on spot for yapping too much XD
Love your vids, you got me into warhammer and I even wrote some stories on some of the characters you told me about, so thanks
Disconnected military power? A smart enemy can exploit that some how
They do.
The Astartes Commander : You guy all fail social examination
Ngl it sounded more like they were addressing their little brother that mom tells you to take along when you hang out with friends lol
These were Crimson Fists Astartes, who work very well together with other branches of the Imperium. There are some chapters who do not care about working together with the Guard but certainly not the Crimson Fists.
Which Chapter was it at the Siege of Vraks, who were asked to take control of the spaceport, but just set charges and leveled it instead, because f%&k it. Then when talking to the astonished guard commander said basically "There, we helped", and then left, lol!
@@jasonwright8546 not sure about that, i rarely keep up with table top and codex lore, i dont count it as canon personally.
@@jasonwright8546 Might have been the Dark Angels? They I think took part in the first Astartes action on Vraks from what I recall which involved securing the main bridge over the large chasm and I think assaulting the space port but was also a disaster at the end as they unexpectedly encountered the Alpha Legion which badly cut up their assault force right at the finish line at which point they fucked off and left, leaving the guard to clean up the mess but also provoking a massive response from the Imperium.
@@Lost7one I believe I heard it in Arch's Vraks series, but I don't know what he sourced that from.
Angel of absolution I think, successor of dark angel, then after that it's red scorpion (which does their job of securing the breach) then after that gray knight together with red hunter joined@@jasonwright8546
The Crimson Fists in this story were on a time sensitive mission. There were some scouts who went MIA under a bunch of rubble and extracting them was extremely important. Only 3 were recovered out of a full squad. You can listen to the whole story narrated by ABorderPrince.
Mind to tell me which video it is?
So that's who they are and why they didn't take the general's head off.
So instead of immediately stating their mission and pointing the general to the guy in charge they waste valuable time being a group of sarcastic assholes. Sounds about right
@@PikachuLittle 100%
Props to the general talking down to a massive Space Marine with an imperial drowl.
Nothing says you fucked up like losing your temper at an astartes then having to address their chaplain… he’s going to turn the lord general into a podium to preach from.
In the Lord General defense
SM are so....alien to the regular guardsman/human that they military heriarchy is out of the question to know even among the IG high rank, so these astartes have no reason to act so smug
Chaplains are in their own category of "Do not f*ck with"
I cant wait for the Lion and Gulliman to beat this stupidity out of the chapters
For real. Fuck these stuck up ass space marines.
This was the general's fault, if anything they should reprimand him.
@@marmyeaterthat’s not how military rank works. The inferior rank always acquiesces to the superior one unless there’s a doctrinal or legal reason not to and even then a certain tone of respect and submission is expected. The Astarte should how told him respectfully that he was not in commands of his detachment and then offers to direct or escort the general to the one who was.
They’re the ones who acted out of line.
@@Tinnitus1445 I have three counterpoints.
1: That is not how life works. Something Warhammer is actually pretty good with considering them showing Astartes killing people for disrespect sometimes (something no living creature likes).
2: General Windbag was doing this while their CO was right there and they were already acting under his orders to look for their missing scouts. (As a side note: these are Crimson Fists, and normally work alongside the Wall of Guns pretty well.)
3: That's not how the military in 30/40k has ever worked. The different branches have almost never tolerated disrespect, and Astartes in particular have never truly cared about any reprimand save those given to them by their primarch, the Emperor, and the times when what they were reprimanded for doing things that directly contradict what their primarch or the Emperor have taught/told them (and that is generally the order they care about those in).
So, unless Dorn and the Emperor are suddenly against Astartes being rude when disrespected, and Roboute and Lion are all for it AND interfering in how individual chapters that aren't their gene-sons behave on a fundamental level, the odds of them wanting to do, trying to do, or managing to do anything meaningful are between zero and none.
@@marmyeater that’s probably why they have a reputation for being unreliable on the strategic level and going off to do whatever they want instead of acquiescing to the big picture. A powerful asset when they want to and a vain distraction when they don’t. Their level of independence to the Astro Militarum doesn’t serve very well. Ideally they should be folded into it as an SF force and not a separate entity entirely.
A general should not have to walk on eggshells around the troops he has bigger things to worry about than offending them.
Note to self, inform the Guardsman about the drip of each rank
Imagine having the privilege to have even a basic understanding of the Codex Astartes, and assuming the proper rank of a Space Marine. Only to find out they’re not a Codex Compliant chapter and you’re speaking to a “dread sword claw captain” or some shit. It must be confusing for mortals.
It's confusing for Astartes too I'm sure. They bully each other in the Deathwatch because they find some chapters weird.
And this is why the first HQ unit I ever got was a chaplain. Gave him a name and everything, dolled him up with bits and bobs from my other two kits I have currently
Chaplain: ''Me!''
General: ''I think I just shat myself''
These astartes never realized that that lord commander will do more for the imperium in his short, weak life then most of them ever will, if the imperium lost the space marines it would be a great loss, if the imperium lost the guard there wouldn’t be an imperium
It was the Astartes that built the Imperium, without them it would have been impossible.
@gaz9957 It was the thunder warriors who united Terra, and look what happened to them
@@mcarrowtime7095 The thunder warriors were a patchwork solution to an urgent problem. The astartes were designed with longevity in mind
@@gaz9957 its thinking like that which lead to horus heresy.
the astartes do not and will not ever lead the Imperium.
@@cybronikai1957 and yet they were still necessary for the imperium to form, like the Astartes, and more disposable than the guard, much like the Astartes
“No respect” and “this level of disrespect” the astartes literally said, “with all due respect” that’s about as respectful as you could be. What.
What - "what"?
They could’ve, yknow just told the guy? Instead of being little pricks for a bit.
given the hundreds of chapters that have come up with their own themed ranks I don't blame him. the astramilitarum has billions in its service but they all have the same rank structure.
Lord solar mecharius had the respect and out right admiration of most space marine chapters due to him straight up conquering the galaxy faster then the horus heresys and conquered more worlds then primarchs. With no more then a few chapters who went along for the ride and imperial gaurd.
When it comes to astarte's in Warhammer, you always go to address the most terrifying looking one of the space Marines 90% of the time they'll be the ones in charge
Maybe not if it's Blood Angels or Space Wolves...
If its salamanders the commander is the 1 wearing the most fire
This reminds me of a running joke in Fallout 2 when you wear Advanced Power armor, which I will now translate to 40k terms.
"Yes, I'm the Lord General in charge here. Don't bother telling me your name, you Astartes all look the same in that armor."
that response could either make you explode in blood, dissapear mysterously or gets respected by the entire chapter
-dark angels take you in for “questioning” so they can figure out why you thought taking that tack was a good idea
-you don’t have this problem with the white scars, and they accept your nicknames based on their armour adornment, such as “three-tyrants” and “sslythshoulders”
-space wolfs laugh at you but your name will make it into a song later
-imperial fists sit you down and explain
-blood angels blush under their helmets and fantasise about you pegging them
-iron hands are nonplussed, so long as your orders and tactical calls are effective
-ultramarines let you off with a warning. Once.
-Salamanders comment on your admirable courage, but bid that you save your defiance for the foe
-Raven guard make your death look accidental
Can you please explain the blood angels one?
What is with the blood angels one
Imperial Fist: “Okay let me break it down for you.” *Break dances.* “Got it?”
When the Space Marines show up, the only thing you need to say is, "is there anything you require from me?"
Wow. You went the extra mile to get the music to loop perfectly.
It all depends. Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Salamanders, White Scars, and Space Wolves. . you'll USUALLY get a good response. You might even be able to joke with them depending.
Star Phantoms, Dark Angels, or Marines Malevolent? Forget about it.
I mean, even Creed hated working with Astartes. They are incapable of working in unison with the Guard, refusing to follow orders and acting independently even to the detriment of the larger war effort.
For example, Black Templars would stand guard on temples in the middle of nowhere that had ZERO strategic value.
@@falkyrie5228And Dark angels would just fuck off to the middle of nowhere with no prior warning. Although I imagine he's never worked with the first founding chapters or lamenters before?
You mean ALL of the value due to their reverence to our God-Emperor, dont you? DONT. YOU.?@@falkyrie5228
No matter the chapter you can always tell which astartes is a chaplain
In the short novel of Ciaphas Cain "The echoes of the Tomb", there's a situation where a skitarii force led by a lieutenant, will probably have to take orders or at least advices from an oncoming squad of Space Marines, led by a sergeant.... which clearly upset the lieutenant ^^
Well of course, he won't have to meet the Space Marines, because they're all dead when the Marines arrive except for Cain. That's what happens when you awake a necron tomb world XD
Chaplain: Did you pray today, Lord General?
I swear, seeing all the astartes simp in this comment section is something else.
"How dare a human character make a mistake in front of their supermhuman overlords?"
It is completely justified for the astartes to act like pricks and waste time instead of simply correcting the general?*
I mean, how the fuck did the General miss the skull-helmeted guy all dressed in black?
Buddy... They're astartes, centuries old demigods indoctrinated to be absolutely loyal to their primarcs and the imperium, and who are btw very used to sacrifice innocents for their cause they're not gonna care about one general from one of the millions of worlds the imperium has.
@@TheFifthHorseman_
It's news to me that black armour and human skills are a insignia of rank
@@rzu1474 On Space Marines, it doesn't really matter which Chapter you're dealing with, their Chaplains all wear black, all have skull helmets, and all carry a specific weapon/badge of office and all wear a specific medallion on their armour.
The general's unawareness of that fact is very, very out of place.
@@TheFifthHorseman_
And why exactly is he supposed to talk to the Chaplain of all People????
I just love the idea that the marines did not point behind themselves to indicate the presence of the Chaplain, but instead pointed to behind the General and the Chaplain is just standing like half an inch behind him XD
“He pointed” wait so this mf was in the room just watching this man make an ass of himself? 😂
might help if the codex astartes actually enforced a standardized rank marking and all the chapters actually followed it
“Never disrespect the men of god or the men of medicine in a warzone, one keeps you alive, the other keeps you prepared for when you’re not.”
Best way to identify a ranking SM is via the helmet, its design, the helm's colour, the colour and bling on his armour(almost a definite chance if wearing artificier armour), how blinged up his weapon is(higher chance if dual wielding a melee weapon and a pistol) and if he is not wearing a helmet he may not be a SM officer but the likelihood that he is a very famous his high.
How would a normal human differentiate Artificer armor from regular power armor. Moreover there are a ton of veteran sergeants that wear relic armor. And now with the Era Indomitus, you might see mixed forces of first born and Primaris marines wearing 6 or 7 different marks and patterns of armor.
Differentiating between them all as a normal human who might have never seen a space marine before would be *extremely* difficult.
Reminds me of The Trials of Azrael, where he tells Kharn the Betrayer he's the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels.
Kharn's reply?
"Of course, that ridiculous helmet should have given you away."
The best way to know who is in charge in a sm chapter is usualy the one that don't where a helmet in battle.
@@Begbras That's just what Space Furries would like you to think.
@@redcap1923Also funny when you remember that Kharn has a very fancy helmet as well!!!🤣🤣🤣
At some point I'd just stop addressing the Space Marines unless its clear they wanted to be addressed.
Like, a third of the time, the Guard could just go on acting as if the Space Marines weren't even there and it would probably improve the chance of success for both parties.
Day 4 of asking you to do a video on that time in cadian honour when a cadian punched a praetorian for insulting cadia
Lord General of the DKoK, thinking to himself: ... Remember, they are loyalists, Otto... They are loyalists...
Lord General: "Who's in command?"
Smartass-Astartes: "No, Who's an Apothecary of the 4th Company."
Anyone care to continue the joke?
So that General did finally get in touch with their commander
Simple it depends what chapter you talk to.
Like ultramarines,imperial fist (sometimes) salamenders, space wolves or blood angels, you can comunicate wirhout too much difficulty.
But if you talk to space marines like the malevolent, minotaur or others like them.
Well, better to stfu
Talking to a Minotaur is probably like trying to get a status report on a ship stuck in the warp.
That "Me" did not need to hit that hard good lord.
And yet Titus can show respect to a lowly Female commander but that’s the ultramarines some chapters are just dicks in general………..
That "Me" was personal
🤣☠️
You adress the guy you're to scared to be on the same continent with obviously
The weird part about this exchange is that the Marines were Crimson Fists, which by all accounts are some of the most humane and respectful towards mortals among the Astartes. Then again, they had barely survived the war for their homeworld.
This is the problem with snippets. The enitre short story makes more sense. The fists arrive and prevent the guard from being over run. The generals men rejoice but the general points out that the astartes will keep to their own mission. The Crimson Fists depart to save some scouts burried the rubble and prepare to leave. The guard finally about to be over run are reinforced when the marines return. There's a running theme on the choice between fighting to save them and preserving the crimson fists. Of course the faction cultists will instantly scream and cry about how there favorites were bullied.
@@Cabooseforprez2012 i am so tired of people overvaluing Imperial Guard. No shit, without them Imperium would fall. But don't paint them as someone who is solely responsible for that. There are heroes in the Guard, sure. But it's extremely rare, and whole battalions could be executed for cowardice. There are great regiments, like Cadians, Kriegers, Catachans and many others, but of the Guard are not very good. They are barely functional.
@@АрсенийСмирнов-ю8кand yet they’re vastly more useful that Space Marines in 99% of circumstances. It’s just that 98% of those stories aren’t interesting enough to warrant telling
@@PikachuLittle The only reason they're as "useful" as you say is the fact they are sent in droves to drown the enemy in corpses. And that doesn't put a dent in the Imperium at large.
Kriegers are known to do suicide chargers if it means they will accomplish something relevant. They don't care how many will die.
Remember the Space Marines and Solar Auxiliaria were the true bulk of the Great Crusade, not your overrated an glazed Guardsmen.
By the throne.... A effing chaplain
Had me rolling 😂😂
The more I learn about 40k, the more I understand why the "imperium" is doomed.
General: "Listen up you Grim Reaper wannabe, I disrespect whoever I want - whenever I want - because I don't give shit. I'm here to fight Chaos, not be respectful to your sorry ass who couldn't kill Horus when you had the CHANCE!" 🤬
Chaplain: "Why are you yelling at me?" 😐
**Chaplain reaches forward and crushes the general's head like a grape.**
"Who is next in command?"
@@alexandergreene461
*Darth Vader force crushes the Chaplin before moving on*
Depends on the Chapter, a Salamander may be more lenient than others, Ultramarines wouldn't really care, A Grey Knight will kill you etc.
The only thing the general welcomed back after that, was his transhuman dread.
And a wet, squishy sensation around the groinal area.
I too violently orgasm when encountering flashy armor
General was gangsta until he saw the skull helmet😅.
"ME" just goes hard for no reason
In TTRPG game of warhammer, when you play as space marines, there is good chance to apear same scene :D