You can have two bikes that are identical in weight, but one has that weight up high in the frame and the other has it down low in the frame and the first bike will feel twice as heavy. Weight distribution is what Chase is feeling when he says the R7 feels lighter than a R6.
I think there is too much focus on the HP (not in the review, just in general). This bike comes with bargain bin suspension and brakes and only costs $1k less than a zx6r which comes with showa BPFs and legit brakes. Cool bike but not great value.
Yeah, seems like a "cash grab" for riders that don't know better. At least the insurance would be less (I think). Upgrade the suspension and brakes and you get... a more expensive/slower bike 9.9
@@rrazote2279Insurance is a good point, I am not sure what they come in at. I would just rather ride the faster bike in a low power mode and enjoy the plush suspension. Although, maybe I am biased because I live in PA and our roads look like downtown Fallujah.
@@chriskratz7075 Insurance is the only reason I "settled" for a z900rs instead of getting a CB1000R. When I had Progressive, they quoted me about $379/mo for the Honda, and $300/mo for the Kawi - monthly payments if I was to finance was $250 for either bike. I told them off and moved to allstate for $70/mo. I couldn't even imagine what it would cost to insure a 600cc sportbike. Here's the irony... I bought a Monkey this spring and modded it up so that it's putting out all of around 13HP, and of the two bikes, it's what I ride more often. Insurance for it is $30/mo. Trying to sell the 900 now, as it's collecting dust in the garage. "Fast on a slow bike" - I honestly, couldn't be happier =P
This is basically a more reasonable sports bike for the streets and maybe a nice bike for a beginner. Companies are always trying to cut cost and this is a clear example.
@@O.World_RR What it does give you is usable power on the street. People can talk all they want about how they daily supersports but the one positive this bike has is power that is more useful in a street setting. This bike on the track will require extensive modification to really be a capable track weapon. So it seems like Yamaha priced and spec'd this to be a "useful" supersport street bike. They could have neutralized the body position, made it a bit cheaper, and made it a sport touring bike and I think it would make more sense.
@No_Name I agree. I own a Ninja 650 and it's an "ok" bike. Great for beginners and very practical but Kawasaki hasn't really seen the need to give it any killer features because there is no competition. This would slot right above the Ninja 650 but wouldn't be all the way up the chain where the CBR650R, Duc Supersport, S10000XR, and Tracer 9 GTs live. Just a silly bike from Yamaha imo.
@@chorseundgrd I agree with you. I really wanted this bike. It feels like they tried to copy Aprilia a bit by making a bike in a weird category. But imo they failed. It's costs as much as a z900 but with less power. It's a super sport that doesn't super sport. Even at it's costs it's not that great as a beginner bike. Who is this bike really for? It's a really cool bike but anyone who wants it would be better served on so many other bikes for the price.
@@FtdBroKenCyde My problem is the horse power. It's more the torque. The it is a torquey bike but at the price you can get a lot more torque. If you want to cosplay as a racer with a bike that looks like a super sport but is actually for street riding then it will be good for that. But you can still do so much better for the money. And if you like to wind a bike out a proper super sport will still give you more torque especially if you don't live in a city and have more open roads or do high riding frequently. Zx6r will hit a quarter mile is 10.6 seconds vs r7 with 11.6 seconds. And both bikes cost nearly the same with the quick shifter added.
I'm not a professional rider, i do own a R series, but in any situation, with all respect i would go for the Legendary Yamaha YZF-R6. Sad they discontinued R6 for a Twin!😢
OC: I just got my learner’s permit today! I used to ride dirt bikes when I was younger, so I’ve got a few years experience, at least off road. I’m 30 now, and I will most likely be getting a ‘21 MT-07. Most of my family are Harley nuts, so I’ll really enjoy getting to ride with one of my cousins who just traded in his old superduke for the new superduke!
I've ridden dirt all my life and started out with an XSR700(Same as MT07) for the street and it's been good to me so far, just gotta have a brain and respect the throttle and practice. The torque is great around town and pulling out of corners, the upright seating position is comfortable for longer rides and nimble in town and I can use all the power.
@@GSXR_Jake Update: I had my MSF course the first weekend of November, and went to the DMV the following week. I now have my full endorsement, and my '21 MT-07, and nearly 2,500 miles down already. I'm loving life on 2 wheels (:
OC: The gearing that you pointed out is why I upgraded from my R3 to an SV650S. Sure it's not going to be the fastest bike, but I'm more concerned in being able to use more of the bike's power in the twisties and to accelerate than to be able to go 140mph in a straight line down the highway
@@PabloM5 I was referring to the SV. It's got a lot of down low torque but not a huge top speed. But I'm not interested in a bike with a huge top speed because I'm not interested in doing freeway pulls. I want that usable power for the twisties and to get out of iffy situations
The R7 is definitely slower than the R6. Not a whole lot of comparison. You're talking 75hp to like 123hp. You have a hard time hitting 120 mph on the R7. You'll hit 150 mph with ease on the R6. Price is kool though. Daily driver worthy. Good traffic bike. If you're not a track guy theres really no point in getting an R6 or a liter bike. Ask a track rider. The sport bikes aka super bikes are meant for the track. Most people that own a bike don't even know exactly what they are capable of. Go to a local track day and you'll see exactly what I mean..
OC! Honestly the more I see of this bike the more it becomes a goal bike to own for me! It looks like they really knocked it out of the park with this one!
Of all the bikes out there, none of them deserve a turbocharger more than the R7. ExtremeCreations out of Australia is selling full custom turbo kits for 3 grand
I just wanna say, the R7 from 2022 is NOT the R7 from 1999. The 2022 R7 wasn't even made to be anything similar to the 1999 R7. The R7 now is a beginner bike for people who don't want to be slow, but don't want to have R6 speeds. The 2022 R7 is equivalent of a sv650, cbr650r, z650, ninja 650, MT-07, etc. It hurts me inside when people try comparing bikes that don't have any similarity except maybe the looks. I'm still a new rider, only being on the saddle for 3 months, and yet I still understand which types of bikes can't be compared to others, engine layout and gearing can drastically change how 2 bikes are looked at when being compared. R7 is a low power, high torque, parallel twin. R6 is a high power, low torque, inline 4. Both of these are relative to each other. The term "there is no replacement for displacement" holds no meaning when comparing 650s to 600s. So let's stop treating it like it does.
13:27 - "It let's me focus on being more of a rider and less on where I have to be on revs and gear." Part of riding is managing your engine output via proper gear selections. And that's a large part of the fun as well. It's why a lot of riders enjoy 600s over liter bikes: you have to interact with, and be in harmony with, the motorcycle. In bikes with all-day low end, where all you have to do is twist the throttle, you lose that. Maybe that's why the sight of a motorcycle with DCT fills me with sadness. 🤔
R7 is a great intro ride ! My girlfriend tried an f4i and we sold it and got the r7 , which she loves ! I tried it, not my style .. my 08 r6 is what I pull out for daily rides … a 2022 r7 can’t give you the super sport speed that a 15 year old bike can
@@tormado I think because this bike will appeal to a much wider market. Everyone in the US aswell as for people in Europe. The engine is this bike will also meet the A2 license power figures and there’s very few high CC sport bikes on the A2 license.
It does not matter how fast you can go or how cool you and your bike looks. All that matters is that you have fun riding. That’s what a true rider cares about , not having the most shiny bike or the fastest . I love my 600 its so much fun, 1000cc bikes are fun and go 180 instead of 160mph. 20mph difference with more power comes more rear wheel spin, the r6 and r7 are great bikes.
@@teteakhiangte6015 if the power difference between the two bikes was small then this would be true. If the R6 only made 15 or 20 bhp more than the R7 you would be right. Unfortunately the difference is massive. The R7 is so much slower than the R6 that comparing them is wrong. You should compare the R7 to the SV650 and Ninja 650. It doesn't and can't compete with the R6.
@@teteakhiangte6015 yes! At the TT the 600's are about a minute faster. Have you compared the two bikes? Do you have and racing experience? I raced bikes for 9 years and know the difference between a 650 3 cylinder and a 600 4 cylinder.
@@jimtitchmarsh3786 lol. 90% of the people buying r6 and r7 are not gonna race at isle of man and also a sprint . Im just a simple guy loving motorcycling since i was 15 year old, now living in my late 30's. Seems like you have more experience than me. Good for you.
OC: My dream would be to own a R7 for the mountains/morning rides and a R6 for commuting purposes. Love your videos man you always have the coolest music, camera angles, and choice of scenery spots to ride! Peace and love brother. 🙂🙏
OC Beautiful footage of you riding, Chase! I’m kind of a Suzuki guy but if i were starting now, this would probably be the bike. There are a million great bike to ride through those magnificent mountains - that has more to do with rider skill and common sense/ self-control. Fun! Thank you!
Im considering the R7 as well as R9. I had MT09SP but sold it when moved from CA to TN. I loved the power & electronics, especially the wheelie control!
The only possible reason to have the R6 over the R7 is for the track or of you prefer the sound of the inline 4 engine, which can be so intoxicating. However, for Twisties and general use on the public road, then the practical twin engine advantage of the R7 shines through over the R6 at the end of the day.
Here’s my thing about the r7, it’s does a lot of things well, but it’s nowhere near the top in anything, it’s more comfortable than a r6, but not as comfy as a cruiser, it’s faster than a Harley, but nowhere near a true super sport. I just don’t see why if ur looking for a comfortable bike you get a cruiser, if you’re looking for a super sport then buy one
That bike gets prettier Everytime I see it, I just prefer the MT -07 because I do not trust fairings, by the way when are you making more MT - 07 material?
@@wheeliehutjr thanks for the question, the thing about fairings is that for people like me that drop bikes a lot, they become a terrible cost, there is a person I work with that had to get rid of his Honda just because the fairings got damaged in an accident. Also I can not imagine the nightmare of pulling of fairings for a simple thing like for example checking a spark plugs.
TL;DR : R7 leaves the R6 from the light. R6 slowly builds up rev. R7 seems like it's doing good! R6 hits powerband and then destroys the R7 before the finish line!
For those who are thinking Chase is wrong or a sell out...He has A LOT of R6 Experience and he made some darn good points. Im intrigued, I wanna test one. This was a great video. Nice work! -FZ 09 owner
@@metalmoto3275 it’s not just about the Engine for me. I know that the CP2 is awesome, I wrote a Mt07 with the same engine. It’s about all the details, positioning, display, weight, movement all of that. I can’t test drive both of the maschines until next March right where the season begins, so it would be awesome to see a little comparison:)
@@Frebbel ahhh I see. The r7 with be more hunched over and a sport position. The ninja 650 will be more upright and comfortable for commuting if that helps
I Just think that we are diminishing the r6 when we compare it with the r7, bikes like the r7 change the mindset in the market, it pushes the manufacturers to charge premium for HP, they can get away with it because 600cc supersports are dying, now all we have are 2 Japanese, the Daytona and I can't see many more, I get that people want more friendly daily riders, but to compare or deny the option to choose will not be good for the market, guess now I have to like naked bikes with fairings...
@@O.World_RR Exactly, I'm from Europe aswell, maybe on the US it makes more sense although I dont get it, more options is always better for everyone. I started on a 250 dirtbike, then I got my R6, if I can do it, everyone can as well, the idea that 600cc are killer bikes that are impossible to manage and have fun with, that are encumberesome to ride, I dont agree and shouldn't dictate the market and people's choices. It's a sad time and even sadder it's fact nobody gives a damn. ^#%@* PC culture
@@O.World_RR Exactly mate, I agree 100% with you. And if you check chase's new video where he tests the R7 for street use, it has the same problems that the R6 has but in my opinion none and absolutely none of the r6 advantages. The bike heats up like a supersport, it causes back pain and sore wrists. So honestly what's the !#$@ing point??? Miles per gallon? You re absolutely right, it's a bike for people that only care about looks, and not to ride an incredible machine that was the R6
Do you even hear yourself talking? "The market" is what makes these things, people don´t want stupid supersports that only make like 30 HP below 10k RPM, they want broad torque curves that are actually usable. Besides only a tiny percentage of people can use the R6´s components, so pls stop only simping about specsheets
@@redo1dr if that is your opinion I respect it, but not everyone thinks like you, that's why we have different opinions, now they took that option from us. Just because you dont enjoy riding supersports doesn't mean everyone else doesn't
@@TheBRUNY1998 Yes that's right, though i stated what we observe happening right now and how the market changes, not really my opinion. More of an explanation i guess...
Doesn't the R7 also only make the 72hp peak? Like the R6 does 120hp peak. It's just that the R7 has all the torque the R6 can't even dream of everywhere which makes the difference.
It's odd how the R7 is a better beginners bike than the R6. The R6 is a beast in comparison, but for daily riding, I feel like the R7 is a far less demanding, more fun option for neophyte or even experienced riders. It feels lighter due to where the weight is. It's more like an SV650 in character imo.
OC: The R7 seems like a great bike to have in the mountains. If I had to choose another new bike it be the Aprilia RS660. The Aprilia will cost more but for what you're getting I think the price is more than worth it.
Probably, personally i think less is better I'd take the R7 Also the rs660's got 100hp, I'm riding 48hp at the moment and can hardly wring out the motor. Meaning 72hp would technically be contraproductive. But I'd also only take the R7 for looks and engine sound.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I'm a fan of a raw no rider aids bike like the R7. Reminds me when I started on a Ninja 250. I say I'd take the RS660 because I've been riding for over 11 years so 100bhp isn't a big deal for me. I'm saying that the R7 is over 8k and is bare bones with abs. While the RS660 is just over 10k and comes with tons of tech and features an what I like most the dash and the looks of the bike.
I dont understand how can people justify paying 9k to a new bike which comes with basically nothing compared to rs660 and not paying 11k for the aprilia which has everything. if the bike made more power like r6 then maybe but it make 30 less hp and costs almost as much as the rs660. idk seems so wrong.
@@abyedrikn I imagine people buying the R7 over the Aprilia maybe a cost thing. They may not have over 10k to spend or say your credit is shit may not be able to finance the Aprilia. Or people are getting the R7 for the reliability that Yamaha provides. Plus Yamaha did deliver a great commuter bike that has sportbike styling for a good price.
@@abyedrikn 30hp is not worth 2k imo, you could get a flash for the r7 and probably also get 100hp for no where near that money. If hp is all you care about. Personally, I couldn't care less if the bike has a quickshifter, wheelie control, a colorful screen, a fancy brand name. Especially if none of that actually looks nice, most companies tend to make their tft screens look like ass.
I've been riding a 48hp Honda and event that thing pulls hard enough uphill, if it doesn't you can always downshift. I don't think any over 20hp will have a problem going up a mountian. Riding 2up is a different story tho.
Sold my Ninja 400 a few months ago put over 13k miles in 2 years. I am down to 2 bikes, brand new 2021 ZX6R white/gray or 2022 R7 for practically the same price. The ZX6R has always been my dream bike, but Im loving this R7.
The R7 is just gonna feel like a 400 with a a bit more power….Zx-6r is going to be heavier, thicker, and a whole lot faster … R7 is gonna easier to handle… just depends on what u tryna spend honestly
OC: If I was younger, the R7 would be a prime choice. But at my age, I want a little more upright position and not so much leg tuck. My R1200RT would be my choice now. Now if we can just get this pandemic beat down, I'll come down there and ride those mountains also.
Well done. I have an original 98 R1, I've worn it out, options are a new (used) engine, or an R7, I think I'll stay with the R1. I rode a lot in Vermont, mountains, very similar to those depicted.
How is it that you didn't come across any other bikers while up there? I've been riding up there bunches of times on my Honda F4i and there's always a bunch of riders up there. Nice looking bike.
Question I really enjoy listening to all your motorcycle reviews your feedback is usually positive about must bikes you review do you get paid by the Manufacturer for your review of their products?
@@elonmust7470 well, price does not make a superbike or else the GS1250 would be faster than the speed of light lol. I understand that it’s a could introduction into sportbikes for beginner drivers but i just cannot replace the R6.
Considering the foot pegs are way lower and the handlebars are way higher. You can not lean it as far as an actual Supersport or you're dragging hard parts. This bike is not a Supersport. Stop saying it is. It's a really cool sport bike. That's it.
@@opmike343 Aside from that captain obvious, I specified the “RS” aka the variant specifically optimized for track and technical riding while maintaining streetability.
OC: if were gonna be talking about the price i would go for the new zx6r that has the same price point and has the same powerplant as the R6 if were going to be price practical. Hahaha. But i would go for the R7 because it’s a street bike you can track not the other way around. Haha
@@Daniel-dj7fh yes its “supposedly” a street bike but the power plant is the same as the r6 a high revving inline four we both can agree that it’s not practical for the road. So R7 it is! Hahah
My XSR700 does fairly well keeping up with 600 supersports in twisties and I'm fat 😂. Straights and highway runs though they got the speed and acceleration over me.
Sure going balls to the wall is fun as hell but I would rather get up to speed to stop light to stop light again tho the bike you buy should be inviting to the ride you wanna do oboviousoy wouldn't buy a street to go city during the week and trail over the weekend.
OC: I believe my fiancé wants to get the R7 as her next bike. She is 5'2" and not ready for her dream R1. She said the R7 was probably the best bike for her and I agree
I am Six ft four, would i feel comfortable on this bike as my first? im considering either this or the mt-07, or Ninja 400. I'm still unsure what to go for as I've never ridden any bike yet
The weight differential is related to inline 4s being top heavy and parallel twins having more of the weight down low. I just ordered the R7 60th Anniversary World GP version. I am a little concerned with the difference because now my 05 ZX6R 636 is going to be converted to a track day bike. I feel like the difference in weight distribution may cause some issues going on track with the 636 after riding the R7 on the street on a regular basis.
@@reubendouds the difference is even bigger than I originally thought. I learned to ride nearly 20 years ago on a ZX6 inline 4. And the guy the taught me had significant track time. So I guess when riding sport bikes I had been using modified track techniques even on the street. So on the 636 I typically shift my butt over to the inside of a turn. Then I brake and learn my upper body until I hit tip-in speed. At that point I use the throttle to hold the line. Then I hit the throttle a little bit and the bike pops straight up. No real muscle at all, other than shifting my weight. All made possible by the top heavy inline 4. So contrast that with the R7. The weight is even lower than I had thought. It is very "flickable" for weaving in and out of traffic. But even slight shifts in my weight (shifting my butt to the inside) can cause a bobble in stability. And relying on the throttle to maintain your lean, or adjust your lean, is not as effective. And it has to be more muscled out of the lean. I can't just blip the throttle and pop it up. All related to the fact that it doesn't have that high center of gravity wanting to get into a straight upright position. I have found on the R7, on the street, that maintaining the best speed through turns doesn't involve the outside inside outside technique. It's more picking the correct line with much less braking and not getting near a knee dragging lean. It's hard to explain, but I do have a UA-cam channel launching soon that will explain all that I'm talking about with video. As far as being a fan of the R7, contrary to what you might think from the above paragraphs, I do love it. It serves the purpose of why I brought it. I am abnormally tall above the waist. 6'2" with a 30" inseam. On a naked bike, with no wind screen, I act like a parachute and all my weight ends up distributed towards the back. The wind screen and fairings of the R7 keep that from happening. Start and stop downtown riding is just as brutal on the hands and wrists as the ZX6. But I rode from Panama City Beach to Destin nonstop with no pain. That was more than I had expected and exactly what I was looking for. So, yes, I am a big fan of the R7. But riding it on the street, and riding a ZX6 at the track is not a good idea. So that is a little disappointing.
You can have two bikes that are identical in weight, but one has that weight up high in the frame and the other has it down low in the frame and the first bike will feel twice as heavy. Weight distribution is what Chase is feeling when he says the R7 feels lighter than a R6.
I think there is too much focus on the HP (not in the review, just in general). This bike comes with bargain bin suspension and brakes and only costs $1k less than a zx6r which comes with showa BPFs and legit brakes. Cool bike but not great value.
100% agree
Yeah, seems like a "cash grab" for riders that don't know better. At least the insurance would be less (I think). Upgrade the suspension and brakes and you get... a more expensive/slower bike 9.9
@@rrazote2279Insurance is a good point, I am not sure what they come in at. I would just rather ride the faster bike in a low power mode and enjoy the plush suspension. Although, maybe I am biased because I live in PA and our roads look like downtown Fallujah.
@@chriskratz7075 Insurance is the only reason I "settled" for a z900rs instead of getting a CB1000R. When I had Progressive, they quoted me about $379/mo for the Honda, and $300/mo for the Kawi - monthly payments if I was to finance was $250 for either bike. I told them off and moved to allstate for $70/mo. I couldn't even imagine what it would cost to insure a 600cc sportbike. Here's the irony... I bought a Monkey this spring and modded it up so that it's putting out all of around 13HP, and of the two bikes, it's what I ride more often. Insurance for it is $30/mo. Trying to sell the 900 now, as it's collecting dust in the garage. "Fast on a slow bike" - I honestly, couldn't be happier =P
@@rrazote2279 what kind of mods do you have on the monkey? I have a Grom that I ride the shit out of and I’m wanting more power to it
This is basically a more reasonable sports bike for the streets and maybe a nice bike for a beginner. Companies are always trying to cut cost and this is a clear example.
@@O.World_RR What it does give you is usable power on the street. People can talk all they want about how they daily supersports but the one positive this bike has is power that is more useful in a street setting. This bike on the track will require extensive modification to really be a capable track weapon. So it seems like Yamaha priced and spec'd this to be a "useful" supersport street bike. They could have neutralized the body position, made it a bit cheaper, and made it a sport touring bike and I think it would make more sense.
@No_Name I agree. I own a Ninja 650 and it's an "ok" bike. Great for beginners and very practical but Kawasaki hasn't really seen the need to give it any killer features because there is no competition. This would slot right above the Ninja 650 but wouldn't be all the way up the chain where the CBR650R, Duc Supersport, S10000XR, and Tracer 9 GTs live. Just a silly bike from Yamaha imo.
@@chorseundgrd I agree with you. I really wanted this bike. It feels like they tried to copy Aprilia a bit by making a bike in a weird category. But imo they failed. It's costs as much as a z900 but with less power. It's a super sport that doesn't super sport. Even at it's costs it's not that great as a beginner bike. Who is this bike really for? It's a really cool bike but anyone who wants it would be better served on so many other bikes for the price.
@@trsskater It does everything a supersport does except sending ur self 150mph on the highway
@@FtdBroKenCyde My problem is the horse power. It's more the torque. The it is a torquey bike but at the price you can get a lot more torque. If you want to cosplay as a racer with a bike that looks like a super sport but is actually for street riding then it will be good for that. But you can still do so much better for the money. And if you like to wind a bike out a proper super sport will still give you more torque especially if you don't live in a city and have more open roads or do high riding frequently. Zx6r will hit a quarter mile is 10.6 seconds vs r7 with 11.6 seconds. And both bikes cost nearly the same with the quick shifter added.
LOVE my R7 . I feel like it does everything well . Engine is brilliant for city riding as well as country
that camera car tho. Production value always on point
I'm not a professional rider, i do own a R series, but in any situation, with all respect i would go for the Legendary Yamaha YZF-R6. Sad they discontinued R6 for a Twin!😢
OC: I just got my learner’s permit today! I used to ride dirt bikes when I was younger, so I’ve got a few years experience, at least off road. I’m 30 now, and I will most likely be getting a ‘21 MT-07. Most of my family are Harley nuts, so I’ll really enjoy getting to ride with one of my cousins who just traded in his old superduke for the new superduke!
Good Luck my mate, I also have the MT 07 from 2016 , love the bike. Enjoy it and stay rubber side down!!
What's an OC ?
I've ridden dirt all my life and started out with an XSR700(Same as MT07) for the street and it's been good to me so far, just gotta have a brain and respect the throttle and practice. The torque is great around town and pulling out of corners, the upright seating position is comfortable for longer rides and nimble in town and I can use all the power.
I’m 18 and I’ve got the 2020 Mt07 amazing bike just got an exhaust for it lol
@@GSXR_Jake Update: I had my MSF course the first weekend of November, and went to the DMV the following week. I now have my full endorsement, and my '21 MT-07, and nearly 2,500 miles down already. I'm loving life on 2 wheels (:
I think you meant to say Yamaha R7 mountain review!
Been watching off and on for years. This newest R7 series finally reeled me in and I subscribed. Love the content. Keep it up.
I'm sold sounds like the perfect bike. Nothing bad with it at all. Basically better than every bike ever in every way conceivable.
OC: The gearing that you pointed out is why I upgraded from my R3 to an SV650S. Sure it's not going to be the fastest bike, but I'm more concerned in being able to use more of the bike's power in the twisties and to accelerate than to be able to go 140mph in a straight line down the highway
Yeah idk if ur r3 would go 140mph down a highway bro my ninja 400 doesn’t even 🤣🤣
@@PabloM5 I was referring to the SV. It's got a lot of down low torque but not a huge top speed. But I'm not interested in a bike with a huge top speed because I'm not interested in doing freeway pulls. I want that usable power for the twisties and to get out of iffy situations
Sv650 owner my track bike and it’s still my favorite bike!
The R7 is definitely slower than the R6. Not a whole lot of comparison. You're talking 75hp to like 123hp. You have a hard time hitting 120 mph on the R7. You'll hit 150 mph with ease on the R6. Price is kool though. Daily driver worthy. Good traffic bike. If you're not a track guy theres really no point in getting an R6 or a liter bike. Ask a track rider. The sport bikes aka super bikes are meant for the track. Most people that own a bike don't even know exactly what they are capable of. Go to a local track day and you'll see exactly what I mean..
OC! Honestly the more I see of this bike the more it becomes a goal bike to own for me! It looks like they really knocked it out of the park with this one!
Of all the bikes out there, none of them deserve a turbocharger more than the R7. ExtremeCreations out of Australia is selling full custom turbo kits for 3 grand
Aprilia wow'd people with the RS 660, while the R7 seems like a budget parts bin creation. I just expected more from Yamaha.
Yea an additional $2,300 will get ya a lot.
@@chaseontwowheels I will say the R7 might be an interesting used option in a could years. I suspect they will sell for 4-6K used.
@@chaseontwowheels An R7 with $2,300 dumped into it still wont compete with RS660.
@@dancarlos1216 I am pretty sure he meant you get a lot more for your money with the RS660.
Man you just convinced me to get this bike, I was debating in between the r7 and the trident 660, it would be a weird but cool comparison price wise.
Zx6r
I just wanna say, the R7 from 2022 is NOT the R7 from 1999. The 2022 R7 wasn't even made to be anything similar to the 1999 R7. The R7 now is a beginner bike for people who don't want to be slow, but don't want to have R6 speeds. The 2022 R7 is equivalent of a sv650, cbr650r, z650, ninja 650, MT-07, etc. It hurts me inside when people try comparing bikes that don't have any similarity except maybe the looks. I'm still a new rider, only being on the saddle for 3 months, and yet I still understand which types of bikes can't be compared to others, engine layout and gearing can drastically change how 2 bikes are looked at when being compared. R7 is a low power, high torque, parallel twin. R6 is a high power, low torque, inline 4. Both of these are relative to each other. The term "there is no replacement for displacement" holds no meaning when comparing 650s to 600s. So let's stop treating it like it does.
13:27 - "It let's me focus on being more of a rider and less on where I have to be on revs and gear."
Part of riding is managing your engine output via proper gear selections. And that's a large part of the fun as well. It's why a lot of riders enjoy 600s over liter bikes: you have to interact with, and be in harmony with, the motorcycle. In bikes with all-day low end, where all you have to do is twist the throttle, you lose that.
Maybe that's why the sight of a motorcycle with DCT fills me with sadness. 🤔
I need that cash right now. I’m planning on getting it in April. I can’t wait.
I’m back in New Zealand now but loved seeing the blood mountain run. Used to run my R1 and Monster S4RS up there most weekends
Kia ora!
That's awesome man. Would love the experience to ride a bike in another country. Getting pretty bored of the flat plains in Australia haha
R7 is a great intro ride !
My girlfriend tried an f4i and we sold it and got the r7 , which she loves !
I tried it, not my style .. my 08 r6 is what I pull out for daily rides … a 2022 r7 can’t give you the super sport speed that a 15 year old bike can
I'm just here for your sweet, sweet camera car B Roll.... I was not disappointed. :-)
OC I would want the r7 because from what I've seen it can do it all well. Not a whole lot of bikes can say the same. Especially at the price point.
an R9 with the triple would sell me on that platform.
No idea why Yamaha didn't do that instead
@@tormado I think because this bike will appeal to a much wider market. Everyone in the US aswell as for people in Europe. The engine is this bike will also meet the A2 license power figures and there’s very few high CC sport bikes on the A2 license.
boy are you happy now...
@@brianpogasic9872 Better late than never!
I demo'd the R7 and it felt like crap... zero character and still uncomfortable. Give me an R6 any day over this waste of dollars
yep
It does not matter how fast you can go or how cool you and your bike looks. All that matters is that you have fun riding. That’s what a true rider cares about , not having the most shiny bike or the fastest . I love my 600 its so much fun, 1000cc bikes are fun and go 180 instead of 160mph. 20mph difference with more power comes more rear wheel spin, the r6 and r7 are great bikes.
Nice bike. I really like my daughter's MT-07. great motor with what you need for the street and wrist friendly , high leverage handle bars.
Just great, and here i am riding my yamaha r15, just a 155 cc bike with 19 bhp of power😂😂
Is the R7 slower than the R6?
Yes.
only in a straight line
@@teteakhiangte6015 if the power difference between the two bikes was small then this would be true. If the R6 only made 15 or 20 bhp more than the R7 you would be right. Unfortunately the difference is massive. The R7 is so much slower than the R6 that comparing them is wrong. You should compare the R7 to the SV650 and Ninja 650. It doesn't and can't compete with the R6.
@@jimtitchmarsh3786 have you seen the lap times by pro riders.
@@teteakhiangte6015 yes! At the TT the 600's are about a minute faster. Have you compared the two bikes? Do you have and racing experience? I raced bikes for 9 years and know the difference between a 650 3 cylinder and a 600 4 cylinder.
@@jimtitchmarsh3786 lol. 90% of the people buying r6 and r7 are not gonna race at isle of man and also a sprint . Im just a simple guy loving motorcycling since i was 15 year old, now living in my late 30's. Seems like you have more experience than me. Good for you.
OC: My dream would be to own a R7 for the mountains/morning rides and a R6 for commuting purposes. Love your videos man you always have the coolest music, camera angles, and choice of scenery spots to ride! Peace and love brother. 🙂🙏
Also sorry for using your name Chase. I thought it was really creative and original (all credit to you my friend).
Spoiler alert. Yes the R7 is slower, and its by a lot.....
The motor being 1/4 an inch forward or backwards will change the feel a lot
I love that 3rd Person camera footage!!
Speed Triple RS. The 1050 and not the new 1200. Because I don’t have one yet. OC baby!!!
Swiss here: Mountains? What mountains?😳
It's the eastern US. Our mountains are a bit older, but still fun. That said, I've seen a few places three I am looking forward to riding through.
OC Beautiful footage of you riding, Chase! I’m kind of a Suzuki guy but if i were starting now, this would probably be the bike. There are a million great bike to ride through those magnificent mountains - that has more to do with rider skill and common sense/ self-control. Fun! Thank you!
Im considering the R7 as well as R9. I had MT09SP but sold it when moved from CA to TN. I loved the power & electronics, especially the wheelie control!
The only possible reason to have the R6 over the R7 is for the track or of you prefer the sound of the inline 4 engine, which can be so intoxicating. However, for Twisties and general use on the public road, then the practical twin engine advantage of the R7 shines through over the R6 at the end of the day.
Here’s my thing about the r7, it’s does a lot of things well, but it’s nowhere near the top in anything, it’s more comfortable than a r6, but not as comfy as a cruiser, it’s faster than a Harley, but nowhere near a true super sport. I just don’t see why if ur looking for a comfortable bike you get a cruiser, if you’re looking for a super sport then buy one
If it had the sound of an inline 4 i'd be all for it. my ears are betraying me
How is it that the GoPro cam shows nothing in front of you but you have an angle of the front of your bike?? I'm so confused 😂😂
They do multiple runs...
That bike gets prettier Everytime I see it, I just prefer the MT -07 because I do not trust fairings, by the way when are you making more MT - 07 material?
What exactly do you mean you don't trust fairings?
@@wheeliehutjr thanks for the question, the thing about fairings is that for people like me that drop bikes a lot, they become a terrible cost, there is a person I work with that had to get rid of his Honda just because the fairings got damaged in an accident. Also I can not imagine the nightmare of pulling of fairings for a simple thing like for example checking a spark plugs.
That light in the middle just really really bugs me.
me too
Same
I would rather have a z900
I have a Z900 and it’s amaaaaaazing. So much torque
I have a ZH2. 100% beginner bike. You definitely will not yeet yourself off a cliff at 150mph in 6th gear
Just my opinion so each to there own but this bike is a big step backwards for yamaha
Need to do a drag race side by side of the r7 vs r6
TL;DR : R7 leaves the R6 from the light. R6 slowly builds up rev. R7 seems like it's doing good! R6 hits powerband and then destroys the R7 before the finish line!
@@chaseontwowheels well we’d love to see a video of that 😂 no one has done one yet
Trust me man if I knew of a way to make that happen I would 100% do it!
It isn’t as much about weight but how the weight is distributed throughout the motorcycle
Totally agree.
It looks like it would be better too commute on the r7 then the r6
It is
Depends on your style! I have no issues commuting on my r6 😁
For those who are thinking Chase is wrong or a sell out...He has A LOT of R6 Experience and he made some darn good points. Im intrigued, I wanna test one. This was a great video. Nice work!
-FZ 09 owner
Hey, Could you make a Video about a comparison between the R7 and the Ninja 650 for a starter? Would be awesome :)
R7 engine fun, ninja 650 engine absolutely boring. R7 engine is head and shoulders above the kawasaki engine
@@metalmoto3275 it’s not just about the Engine for me. I know that the CP2 is awesome, I wrote a Mt07 with the same engine. It’s about all the details, positioning, display, weight, movement all of that. I can’t test drive both of the maschines until next March right where the season begins, so it would be awesome to see a little comparison:)
@@Frebbel ahhh I see. The r7 with be more hunched over and a sport position. The ninja 650 will be more upright and comfortable for commuting if that helps
Twin cylinder provide more torque on lower rpm than the 4 cylinder. Thats why feels lighter. I still love the 4 cylinder sounds.
Twin cylinder engine bikes are just so much more practical and useful for the street than an inline four engine bike.
Looking to pick up a 2015 cbr 600rr here soon! I’m so blessed to live in the mountains of northeast Georgia where you’re riding at in this video!
Georgia mountains are different than the rockie mountains. Do you think that the R7 would do well in the rockie mountains?
I Just think that we are diminishing the r6 when we compare it with the r7, bikes like the r7 change the mindset in the market, it pushes the manufacturers to charge premium for HP, they can get away with it because 600cc supersports are dying, now all we have are 2 Japanese, the Daytona and I can't see many more, I get that people want more friendly daily riders, but to compare or deny the option to choose will not be good for the market, guess now I have to like naked bikes with fairings...
@@O.World_RR Exactly, I'm from Europe aswell, maybe on the US it makes more sense although I dont get it, more options is always better for everyone.
I started on a 250 dirtbike, then I got my R6, if I can do it, everyone can as well, the idea that 600cc are killer bikes that are impossible to manage and have fun with, that are encumberesome to ride, I dont agree and shouldn't dictate the market and people's choices.
It's a sad time and even sadder it's fact nobody gives a damn.
^#%@* PC culture
@@O.World_RR Exactly mate, I agree 100% with you.
And if you check chase's new video where he tests the R7 for street use, it has the same problems that the R6 has but in my opinion none and absolutely none of the r6 advantages.
The bike heats up like a supersport, it causes back pain and sore wrists.
So honestly what's the !#$@ing point???
Miles per gallon?
You re absolutely right, it's a bike for people that only care about looks, and not to ride an incredible machine that was the R6
Do you even hear yourself talking?
"The market" is what makes these things, people don´t want stupid supersports that only make like 30 HP below 10k RPM, they want broad torque curves that are actually usable.
Besides only a tiny percentage of people can use the R6´s components, so pls stop only simping about specsheets
@@redo1dr if that is your opinion I respect it, but not everyone thinks like you, that's why we have different opinions, now they took that option from us.
Just because you dont enjoy riding supersports doesn't mean everyone else doesn't
@@TheBRUNY1998 Yes that's right, though i stated what we observe happening right now and how the market changes, not really my opinion. More of an explanation i guess...
It's like watching a movie, the filming is professional
Doesn't the R7 also only make the 72hp peak?
Like the R6 does 120hp peak. It's just that the R7 has all the torque the R6 can't even dream of everywhere which makes the difference.
the peak torque numbers aren't far, they are like 3 nm ou 4 nm difference
@@oreimarcio the torque curves are considerably different
R6 vs R7 : one look like the other BUT a R7 will never be a wonderfull (and powerfull ! ) R6 !
I 100% love my R7.
OC great, now I want an r7, and Mt 07, and a t7.
Right tool for the job right?
Damn! Where was this thing when I started riding?!
I was 250 era beginner but if this was an option I would’ve chosen it in a heart best
It's odd how the R7 is a better beginners bike than the R6. The R6 is a beast in comparison, but for daily riding, I feel like the R7 is a far less demanding, more fun option for neophyte or even experienced riders. It feels lighter due to where the weight is. It's more like an SV650 in character imo.
OC: The R7 seems like a great bike to have in the mountains. If I had to choose another new bike it be the Aprilia RS660. The Aprilia will cost more but for what you're getting I think the price is more than worth it.
Probably, personally i think less is better I'd take the R7
Also the rs660's got 100hp, I'm riding 48hp at the moment and can hardly wring out the motor. Meaning 72hp would technically be contraproductive. But I'd also only take the R7 for looks and engine sound.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I'm a fan of a raw no rider aids bike like the R7. Reminds me when I started on a Ninja 250. I say I'd take the RS660 because I've been riding for over 11 years so 100bhp isn't a big deal for me. I'm saying that the R7 is over 8k and is bare bones with abs. While the RS660 is just over 10k and comes with tons of tech and features an what I like most the dash and the looks of the bike.
I dont understand how can people justify paying 9k to a new bike which comes with basically nothing compared to rs660 and not paying 11k for the aprilia which has everything. if the bike made more power like r6 then maybe but it make 30 less hp and costs almost as much as the rs660. idk seems so wrong.
@@abyedrikn I imagine people buying the R7 over the Aprilia maybe a cost thing. They may not have over 10k to spend or say your credit is shit may not be able to finance the Aprilia. Or people are getting the R7 for the reliability that Yamaha provides. Plus Yamaha did deliver a great commuter bike that has sportbike styling for a good price.
@@abyedrikn 30hp is not worth 2k imo, you could get a flash for the r7 and probably also get 100hp for no where near that money.
If hp is all you care about.
Personally, I couldn't care less if the bike has a quickshifter, wheelie control, a colorful screen, a fancy brand name. Especially if none of that actually looks nice, most companies tend to make their tft screens look like ass.
Nice review! i love the way it looks and the cp2 but that top yoke looooks soooooooo cheap
I've been riding a 48hp Honda and event that thing pulls hard enough uphill, if it doesn't you can always downshift.
I don't think any over 20hp will have a problem going up a mountian. Riding 2up is a different story tho.
Sold my Ninja 400 a few months ago put over 13k miles in 2 years. I am down to 2 bikes, brand new 2021 ZX6R white/gray or 2022 R7 for practically the same price. The ZX6R has always been my dream bike, but Im loving this R7.
definitely ZX6R
The R7 is just gonna feel like a 400 with a a bit more power….Zx-6r is going to be heavier, thicker, and a whole lot faster … R7 is gonna easier to handle… just depends on what u tryna spend honestly
If u buy an r7 over any inline 4 600 you're going to regret it.
That shit will never keep up with any supersports in its cc class.
R6 is faster for 20% of the rider or ala Rossi rider type....for the average Joe and seasonal riders, R7 power is.more useful
OC: If I was younger, the R7 would be a prime choice. But at my age, I want a little more upright position and not so much leg tuck. My R1200RT would be my choice now. Now if we can just get this pandemic beat down, I'll come down there and ride those mountains also.
We will wait the R9 or R4 that have four cylinders
Only thing I don’t like about the bike is the gsxr headlight , the last R6 IMO had the cleanest looking head lights
Well done. I have an original 98 R1, I've worn it out, options are a new (used) engine, or an R7, I think I'll stay with the R1. I rode a lot in Vermont, mountains, very similar to those depicted.
I'm from GA too I love Blood mountain used to do S2000 runs up there and I'm about to buy an R7!
How is it that you didn't come across any other bikers while up there? I've been riding up there bunches of times on my Honda F4i and there's always a bunch of riders up there. Nice looking bike.
RS660 vs R7!!! that be huge vid!
Question I really enjoy listening to all your motorcycle reviews your feedback is usually positive about must bikes you review do you get paid by the Manufacturer for your review of their products?
Nope. Not paid by any OEM. Just really enjoy motorcycles.
These videos are so clean
Looks like a sweet bike
I remember that pit stop you msde, theres a video where a biker crashes off the mountain and lands down a ditch
I cannot get used to the R7. The narrow front makes it look like a child's bike. Even the R3 looks more powerful imo
It's a total wannabe of a SS bike. Just look at the cheapass price.
@@elonmust7470 well, price does not make a superbike or else the GS1250 would be faster than the speed of light lol.
I understand that it’s a could introduction into sportbikes for beginner drivers but i just cannot replace the R6.
"Mountains" *laughs in 11,000 ft elevation* aka * laughs in Coloradoan*
And the Himalayan mountains in Nepal and China laughs at you at an elevation of 28,000ft+
i love Blood MTN
That F150 in the beginning almost crashed. Lol
Considering the foot pegs are way lower and the handlebars are way higher. You can not lean it as far as an actual Supersport or you're dragging hard parts. This bike is not a Supersport. Stop saying it is. It's a really cool sport bike. That's it.
OC - still R6 for technical/mountain riding.
An i4 vs the cp2 come on that's a contest. There two completely different motors lol
Totally agree but you know people are going to compare the hell out of them.
Yea they will and then the r6 will be forever lost because it's not road usable like r7 but it is what it is I love that i4
OC: I think the street triple rs would be better for technical/track riding.
Umm, yeah. It costs 4K more, so obviously it's going to be an improvement.
@@opmike343 Aside from that captain obvious, I specified the “RS” aka the variant specifically optimized for track and technical riding while maintaining streetability.
I would still get a R6. There's something about that R6 that hits different
yeah man that was a legendary bike. yamaha should have at least kept the option to choose.
I'm waiting on the r9 coming soon.
there’s an r9?
@@RubyXIII
Yes
I love my R 7
OC: if were gonna be talking about the price i would go for the new zx6r that has the same price point and has the same powerplant as the R6 if were going to be price practical. Hahaha. But i would go for the R7 because it’s a street bike you can track not the other way around. Haha
The zx6r is also a street bike you can track.
The engine is just concepted for track, and not very practical for the road
@@Daniel-dj7fh yes its “supposedly” a street bike but the power plant is the same as the r6 a high revving inline four we both can agree that it’s not practical for the road. So R7 it is! Hahah
@@eddverdillo2589 I mean, I'd personally go R7, because it's more useable. But if you want a zx6r, go get it.
@@Daniel-dj7fh i just like the sound of the engine. Hahahaha. Usable torque is better than horse power and top speed.
@@eddverdillo2589 Yea, I wish I could get my hands on a kawasaki zx25r. Also has an Inline4, would be an amazing bike
My XSR700 does fairly well keeping up with 600 supersports in twisties and I'm fat 😂. Straights and highway runs though they got the speed and acceleration over me.
I have a a sv650 and a r6 and my r6 would stomp my sv but in town the v twin is fun as hell wheelies for days
Soooo, this is not a video comparing the two bikes….? Just Chase thinking out loud… *sigh*
Yes.
It's not just the amount of weight, but where the weight is.
Sure going balls to the wall is fun as hell but I would rather get up to speed to stop light to stop light
again tho the bike you buy should be inviting to the ride you wanna do oboviousoy wouldn't buy a street to go city during the week and trail over the weekend.
Not sure if you have mentioned or have model in the US but are you riding learner approved version or HO full version. Or that just AUS market
OC: I believe my fiancé wants to get the R7 as her next bike. She is 5'2" and not ready for her dream R1. She said the R7 was probably the best bike for her and I agree
You might want to check it’s seat height, it’s taller than the R1 and a few inches higher than the MT07.
@@richardroberts3416 she sat on it. It's thinner so it works better than the r1
dam Im 5'9 and i cant stand flat footed on my R7..She might have a tuff time..Unless she can get it lowered
@@brianalan4436 I mean, im 5'9" and I'm not flat foot on either my 636 or 899
R9 would be a hotcake seller
I am Six ft four, would i feel comfortable on this bike as my first? im considering either this or the mt-07, or Ninja 400. I'm still unsure what to go for as I've never ridden any bike yet
will be interesting to see one on blood and test the bike
The weight differential is related to inline 4s being top heavy and parallel twins having more of the weight down low. I just ordered the R7 60th Anniversary World GP version. I am a little concerned with the difference because now my 05 ZX6R 636 is going to be converted to a track day bike. I feel like the difference in weight distribution may cause some issues going on track with the 636 after riding the R7 on the street on a regular basis.
How have you found the difference? Are you a fan of the R7?
@@reubendouds the difference is even bigger than I originally thought. I learned to ride nearly 20 years ago on a ZX6 inline 4. And the guy the taught me had significant track time. So I guess when riding sport bikes I had been using modified track techniques even on the street.
So on the 636 I typically shift my butt over to the inside of a turn. Then I brake and learn my upper body until I hit tip-in speed. At that point I use the throttle to hold the line. Then I hit the throttle a little bit and the bike pops straight up. No real muscle at all, other than shifting my weight. All made possible by the top heavy inline 4.
So contrast that with the R7. The weight is even lower than I had thought. It is very "flickable" for weaving in and out of traffic. But even slight shifts in my weight (shifting my butt to the inside) can cause a bobble in stability. And relying on the throttle to maintain your lean, or adjust your lean, is not as effective. And it has to be more muscled out of the lean. I can't just blip the throttle and pop it up. All related to the fact that it doesn't have that high center of gravity wanting to get into a straight upright position.
I have found on the R7, on the street, that maintaining the best speed through turns doesn't involve the outside inside outside technique. It's more picking the correct line with much less braking and not getting near a knee dragging lean. It's hard to explain, but I do have a UA-cam channel launching soon that will explain all that I'm talking about with video.
As far as being a fan of the R7, contrary to what you might think from the above paragraphs, I do love it. It serves the purpose of why I brought it. I am abnormally tall above the waist. 6'2" with a 30" inseam. On a naked bike, with no wind screen, I act like a parachute and all my weight ends up distributed towards the back. The wind screen and fairings of the R7 keep that from happening. Start and stop downtown riding is just as brutal on the hands and wrists as the ZX6. But I rode from Panama City Beach to Destin nonstop with no pain. That was more than I had expected and exactly what I was looking for.
So, yes, I am a big fan of the R7. But riding it on the street, and riding a ZX6 at the track is not a good idea. So that is a little disappointing.