I think this is the best 'seduction of the dark side' we have seen. Other instances it's just some evil guy being like oo join the dark side, but in this, it actually is presented as valid and relatable as a choice. He treats her as an equal, validates her feelings, and offers her choices, which probably make her feel the opposite of how things were like being with the jedi
This. Obviously the best way to make someone join you is to give them that choice and play the good cop. Excellent manipulation. Just throw all her fears in front of her eyes and make her question her allegiance.
My favorite episode of "Teen Titants " was called " The Sum Of His Parts." In it, after an accident Cyborg meets a Cyborg underdweller named Fix It, whom offers to make Cyborg "perfect." It's clear that Fix It simply wants Cyborg as another citizen in his dominion, but like Qimir, he acts like he just wants to help. Those biological needs and weaknesses? Sunlight, fresh air, food? Why on Earth does he needs those. Better to remove those biological parts altogether.
his manipulation is so effective on so many levels. denying her the ability to get revenge on him in a jedi way by making himself vulnerable and "defenseless", even framing the descriptions of yord and jecki around oshas own worst fears.
While Qimir is my favorite character. I'm still fully convinced he's evil. Sith lie. They twist truths. They desire power. It's a staple to what they are.
I think so too; but where I think the twist will be; is that Quimir had already been seduced and turned to the Darkside when she gave him those marks; I see there being a mirror Jedi Master Vernestra vs fallen potentially turned to the Darkside now a Sith Apprentice Quimir ( we still haven't heard his Darth title yet) and Jedi Master Obi Wan vs fallen to the darkside Sith Apprentice Anakin. Imagine a scenario where Anakin continued to use his first name after losing his fight with Obi Wan; came across a former Jedi who failed out of the Academy and told that former Jedi that he too once was a Jedi; then points to his two metal legs and his one metal arm; hinting that it was his Jedi Master who did that to him ( Which Obi Wan did do) but he's lying by omitting key crucial details as to why Obi Wan did that to him. I think Quimir is lying to Osha by omitting the key crucial details as to why Vernestra gave him those whip marks. Again my theory is Quimir had already turned and was seduced to the Darkside and that he and Vernestra had a duel when Vernestra went and tried to reason with him and ultimately she defeated him and "abondoned" him due to him being a lost cause; similar to how Anakin would have argued Obi Wan abandoned him
@@brandoman79 I think Vernestra's a Mace Windu-type character; she's not evil, she's still loyal to the Jedi, but her willingness to let politics affect her decisions has morally compromised her. I think she knows more about this whole situation than she's letting on, and has hidden whatever happened with Qimir from the Council because "the scandal of a(nother) fallen Jedi (my failure as a teacher) would weaken our (my) standing with the Senate". I also think Qimir being a Sith is an intentional misdirect and he'll end up being the original Ren, a fallen Jedi who's really only practicing a bastardized form of the Sith religion. The maybe have Plagueis or possibly Tenebrous showing up at the end of the season, eager to ensure that the Jedi discover that this so-called "Sith" is merely a wannabe so that the actual Sith can continue flying under the radar. Then again, maybe none of this is right and I'm way off. I don't wanna get too attached to my theory and then get upset when the season ends and "Mephisto was actually just Ralph Bohner".
Did you guys notice how Qimir changed the color of his outfit into a lighter more Jedi-like one after the swim … I think that was hinting at his duality or at least a super strong convincing tactic. Also interesting how the cute little creatures on the island showed affection and were hugging, and then we get him talking about OSHA’s past of loving those who can “only go so far” - another tactic as in “don’t you want more?” And when Mae came to and her hands were tied with Sol sitting there, I immediately thought of Rey and Kylo scene in Force awakens… wonder if there was some meaning there.. Ahhh such an awesome show❤ can’t wait for ep7!!!
Couple things. The saber thickness has a canon reason. The high republic sabers stopped being so ornate when the Nihil conflict started. They switched to a “battle saber” which was chonky and rugged and easy to mass produce since they knew sabers were going to be lost and need replacement That’s why all of their sabers are so big (sadly) that and they can be replicated at galaxy’s edge Also we have to acknowledge the fact Qimir killed the Jedi with no sight or sounds available. Just the force
I've said elsewhere, I'll say it here... I'm starting to think that Qimir/the Stranger is the titular Acolyte and he's looking for his own Acolyte to help him supplant the Apprentice.
He's a "rejected" apprentice. A Padawan who got in touch with some Sith texts and went dark, being lightsaberwhipped, left for dead (too bad Vernestra did not have Conspiracy Padawan to have a look at the body). He's trying to get his own apprentice and start own Dark Side cult :)
@@tucmakukla Quite possible! Either theory works for me. Heck, if I recall, Tenebrous had two apprentices at one point, and if he’s the second, I’m cool with that, too.
@@LeChaunce Venamis was second apprentice of Tenebrous, as Tenebrous thought Plageuis might have not been worthy. Venamis and Plageuis later had duel, which Plageuis obviously won and killed Venamis.
What if Venestra is a sith lord and Qmir was her apprentice and maybe she also trained Sol which is why when Sol said "what kind if master hides their face from their pupil", Qmir said "you tell me?" Possibly as a double meaning referring to both Venestra hiding her true face from Sol, and Sol covering up what happened on Brendock? Not a theory based on a lot other than "wouldnt it be cool if". Plus that would also very well explain why she seems to be covering up what is happening, because she doesnt want the sith to be revealed to the jedi
Sol didn’t know she was Mae, his mind was unsettled and after he calm himself a little was when he could finally sense it… BUT when he saw she resets Pip is when he confirmed it, cause Osha would’ve never reset pip 👀
Another connection to Qimir’s Master being the Lightwhip user is his shoto and I’m surprised no one else has mentioned it, Shotos counter Lightwhips and maybe that’s the sole reason he survived his master attacking him but still took on scars.
I think Sol was a bit overwhelmed by all that had happened at first for him to notice that it was Mae.... but I think as he calmed down, he finally realized who he had brought on board the ship.
This would be cool, although it’s still a lightsaber and a whip probably hits physically harder than a slash/stab so surely would’ve killed him no? Just speculating.
@@nabeel.zuberi He said it was a VERY long time ago. If Sol doesnt know who her prior padawans were how would he know ? Venestra is over 100 years old. Theres rumors that Q'mir is keeping himself young using the dark side
no one here is making the connection that kylo rens music was playing throught the helmet scenes. i think Qimir was one of the originators of the Knights of Ren, bc we never really got to know what was in kylo's mask. it really couldve been sensory deprivation in the same way qimir used it, if not then just to honor him
if you dident know, the actor David Harewood has role in the actolyte and his character has not been revealed yet. rumour has it that hes character is the big bad,Qimirs master.
Love the show gruesomely reminding the audience of jecki and yord's deaths at the same time as Qimir is attempting to make Osha get over them (but also using her rage over them as one of her potential tethers to the dark side)
Yeah, with one scene right after the other too. We see Qimir giving Osha advice, seemingly being friendly and encouraging her to trust herself... and then the scene immediately cuts to his handiwork: dead bodies everywhere, including a child.
I think you could be onto something with the Vernestra being Qimir's former master or at least her being the cause of his scars. Vernestra is 116 years old at the time of the Acolyte and i think Qimir might be far older than he looks because of the way he emphasized that he was a jedi "A really long time ago". Qimir could be similar to Dagan Gera in the way that he was in Bacta sleep or even Cryostatis/Carbonite for a long time. He could have been Vernestra's padawan 60 years prior to the show for all we know.
The dark sider talks freely and doesn’t hold a weapon, rather letting the “prisoner” hold it. The Jedi, sol, talks with Mae when she’s restrained and held against her will, he’s the one with the weapon. Whatever happened to Sol, it must’ve been traumatic, this fight has shaken him down to bare primal instincts. God I need to start the arm workout to get a cosplay ready. I know the reason why sabers are a little larger in this show is the hilts hold electronic components for the sabers for this show, but as a stretch it could be a natural progression of technology. Though otherwise it could just be a style that’s popular at the time, I don’t mind either way
Star Wars Explained has a theory in two parts: one, Vernestra Rwoh was Qimir's master because her lightwhip could've only incurred that scar on his back; two, she may be the master behind everything because she's starting to act pretty sus She was doing math in her head and said she "personally" wants to go to Khofar to see what Qimir has done She may be worried Qimir is blowing her cover and ruining everything She may have been using the Order and Sol this whole time I'm inclined to agree with this It may be the last layer of the onion that'll peel back and reveal as a major cliffhanger twist
Every thing with Osha and Qimir on that "Unknown Planet" the whole situation is like a "mirror" or reversed version of Rey and Luke on Ach-To in The Last Jedi. I mean it seemed fully intentional. Bazil was causing the power disruption and comms glitches to delay Sol and Mae "Osha" so he could tell Sol that "Osha" wasn't Osha. I think that at first Sol didn't know "Osha" was really Mae until Bazil told him, but he did see that "Osha" was acting a bit "off", her lack of being upset about Jecki was a big red flag, it was Bazil that confirmed it wasn't Osha.... Notice that Qimir said he was a Jedi *a very long time ago* (he could be much older than he appears), and his "Jedi" Master tried to kill him and left a large whip-like scar on his back.
Qimir didn't even claim to be a sith. "what are you?" "I have no name..." - a direct claim to 'what he is'. "... but the jedi like you might call me sith". This isn't him claiming to be sith, this is 100% him using the Jedi's rules to define him. He is just himself, he wants a pupil, he wants the freedom to do as he wishes without the Jedi getting involved. But the jedi would stamp a title on him, they would absolutely define him as sith.
Sure, and yet if he had left them alone they wouldn't have even bothered with (or cared about) him. It wasn't until he sent May after them that they even realised he existed, so it makes no sense to stir the pot as it were...
I think he's learnt about the Sith and maybe even has a Sith holocron which has been his teacher... but it's more of a ruse to destabilise the Jedi, cause he knows he's not actually Sith. He's a dangerous Sith wannabe!
@@Tiamat951 Unless the killings were Mae's plan and he, true to his ideology, gave her freedom to do so. Also he probably wanted to get Osha once he saw Mae is too consumed by revenge.
I have a feeling Bazil is important. He took care of Pip, while Mae did the opposite. And it's interesting that Mae is so negative about EVERYTHING, except for Bazil. Her first instinct with Bazil is like, "Hey little guy!" I 100% trust Bazil to do the right thing.
or maybe its Bal'demnic, an ocean planet in the outer rim. in legends, no one comes to the planet because of the extreme climate but darth tenebrous and darth plagueis have heard about many occurrences of cortosis and were trying to mine it.
I’m going with Bal’denmic. They kept it unknown because if they called it Bal’denmic we’d automatically connect it to Plagueis and Tenebrous. Plagueis kills Tenebrous on Bal’denmic after they discover the cortosis in legends and I have a feeling. LoL
I'm pretty sure Sol didn't know it was Mai until he noted how odd she acted. I think he was being so emotional after the fight he wasn't sensing her presence and only till he began to calm himself did he check her mind when he saw the differences in her personality. Overall a great episode. Finally getting some revelations next week which will shape how the final episode will go.
Sol was "too emotional" to notice? A Jedi - too emotional? I am absolutely mystified how ANYONE could possibly like this show. All the power to you, like what you like, I'm not criticizing your taste I'm just amazed how anyone, especially a Star Wars fan could possibly like anything about this show.
The actual planet name in the episode could be Bal'demnic, a Legends world that contains stores of cortosis on the islands surrounding the oceans Also, as another nod to Legends, this was the place where Plagueis killed his master, Tenebrous These writers are impressing me with their respect and love for the old lore
This episode was very intriguing. Venestra is being quite suspicious with wanting to lead the rescue mission, then we have Qmir saying that long ago he used to be a Jedi and it seems his Sith Master(?) literally stabbed him on the back. It is just me or that seemed more like he was hit with a lightsaber whip on his back? The scar wasn't a straight line. Plus they had that very gratuitous scene of Venestra using her whip to kill one of those bugs. Now Sol is also going obssessed with finding Osha and Qmir, even if that mean ignoring his Jedi superiors. Plus it seems he is preparing to tell Mae what happened in Brendok. I feel like Episode 8 will end up being a big three way fight involving Qmir/Osha, Sol/Mae and Venestra/her accompanying Jedi squad.
I may be mistaken, but the snouts on those little creatures made me think of the creatures Luke MIlked. Its been many years, but I think the creature Luke Milked had the same kind of snout. This implies that it could indeed be the same planet, as the creatures may have had similar evolutionary paths. Just a thought.
Could Qimir be Imri Cantaros? Qimir did say a long time ago... Qimir has shown he has empathic abilities and is good at disguising himself... Cantaros did slip to the dark side and duelled with Rwoh... maybe he escaped the destruction of starlight and when the Jedi didn't come to rescue him he lost it...
That cortosis helmet might be the key to Osha being able to reconnect to the Force. Perhaps the reason why she washed out as a Jedi was her inability to focus. I see Osha going dark side.
I don’t care what anyone says, Qimir being, maybe not the first, but a knight of ren, and him trying to build a cult of followers that believe the same as him. The cortosis in the cave could be used endlessly to create helmets for all of his fellow knights. Come on! The ideals, the moral compass, the fighting style described as lawless.. this screams connection to the Knights of Ren. And I’d rather that over the Sith ANY DAY.
I totally got the vibe that Venestra knows what the "something to tip the scales" is and on watching your reaction I had the thought when you guys were talking about the "whip scars" that she totally was the one who gave him the scars even if she wasn't his master, then towards the end you came to the same conclusion. It would explain why she's so on edge about the whole thing.
I've been pretty dang vocal about how much potential this show has but for me wasn't reaching it, last weeks episode was the first time I got excited for the show. THIS weeks episode is EVERYTHING I've wanted. Took its time, all acting was top notch. When it went to black before the final scene I was actually worried that it was over, whereas with the other episodes it was abrupt and I was disappointed. This episode I really wanted more. This is the first time this season that I am HYPED for next weeks episode.
I do believe Sol is dark side. His indulgence of Osha's attachments to Pip and Jecki is so anti Jedi training and he's absolutely hiding the truth about what he did to the coven. And agree with those saying Venestra is Qimir's former Master.
The Vernestra as his master is what i suspect. Makes sense that she is one of the few known characters in the series. What if we get a split Sol/Vernestra episode?
Good to see some true SW fans giving this show an honest shot, and recognizing it for its merits while still being critical. It's a fine line for most Star Wars CCs but you guys walk it very nicely.
Assorted things I loved about this episode: -Acknowledging that Osha had feelings for Jecki after they had one of the gayest conversations ever a few weeks ago -Vern's saber whip! Heck yeah High Republic! -Vern desperately trying not to repeat what she's see happen (during the Nihil conflict) when Jedi keep secrets, are too scattered, and communicate poorly -Keeping alive the idea that Plagueis or another master is still out there, as it seems like Qimir might have tried to kill his master and failed -As many have also said, turning Qimir into probably the most well-characterized and interesting Sith character (leastways without further developing him in a ton of supplemental material)
Was good, think they are in a cortosis mine. Possible qimir is a failed apprentice and tenebrous will come in and kill him, then plageuis will come kill him? Feel like it would be cool to see that. But thats just me being super hopeful.
well remember, Leslye is a fan of the expanded universe and she said that the Acolyte will be a treat for EU fans. It wouldn't shock me if she brings tenebrous and plageuis into the picture in this series!
They showed Vernestra using her cool asf light saber whip for a reason. She caused the scars on Kimir's back. She abused him and then abandoned him. This is all her fault and she's going to die.
Vernestra is definitely Qimir's old Jedi Master, her character getting involved more, the talk and focus on his scar that looks whip-shaped, and then the very obvious reveal of the lightwhip that wasn't really necessary to do and could have been left out and saved for later but they decided to use it right then and there, so it has to mean something right? I think that Qimir is a true sith of Bane's line, but the Jedi won't know that and will assume him to be a fallen Jedi much like Xanatos Du Crion and Komari Vosa in legends. Personally I think Qimir would be a good fit for Darth Venamis. If we're looking at the timeline I'd say Plagueis is not the sith master yet. In Legends, Plagueis' master is Darth Tenebrous who had another secret sith apprentice Darth Venamis. According to the wiki, Venamis was a very talented duelist, very strong in the force, and could even levitate himself. Sound familiar? Venamis and Plagueis did not know of one another and eventually Plagueis overthrew and killed Tenebrous and soon after would be forced to also deal with Venamis who came after him. Venamis himself was also never truly given the title of Darth and was considered to be an illegitimate sith according to Plagueis. Long story short, I believe that Qimir is a canon version of Darth Venamis. I think Qimir is a true sith of Bane's line and not just a fallen jedi because what jedi knows the sith code? Throughout the series Qimir had been quoting pieces of the sith code, especially peace is a lie, and has talked about killing the jedi dream. Why would he remain in hiding for so long, how did he get so skilled, etc. To me I think he is a sith apprentice, and Venamis fits the bill. As for him seeking a pupil, could be him trying to get an apprentice of his own to eventually overthrow his master or something similar.
This show is such a tale of two experiences to me. On one hand, the action has been stellar and the expansion of lore of the Star Wars Galaxy is awesome! The mysteries are intriguing. Qimir, Jecki, Yord, and Sol have been standout performers. On the other hand, the runtimes and some of the writing choices have me scratching my head. I also believe Vernestra was Qimir's former master. I feel like there was no other reason to show the Light Whip in such a nothing bit right after showing his whip scars.
Couldn’t agree more. The concept of the show is excellent and has shown that the potential is really high… but the writing has just been a mess, IMO. Dialogue, character decisions (largely Mae), uneven flow jumping between different scenes/locations, and runtime. Not sure how it was cobbled together, but it doesn’t feel cohesive at all and really hope that gets fixed if they have a season 2. I want to love it so badly, but I’m just having a really hard time 😢
It's the run times for me. I would take fewer episodes, to make them longer (or just longer all together). But I agree, the action and performances have been great and my enjoyment has been overall very positive.
Without a doubt he is Venestra’s padawan. In addition to the whip scars, he mentions to Osha that he was a padawan “a long time ago” indicating he ages slowly and Venestra is quite old at this point as well
Well about the red saber. Bleeding is when you're able to focus on the darkness so much that you corrupt the kyber crystal itself. My take is that it allows you to attune to it even more, it is like adjusting the crystal from the natural state to corrupted state so you can utilize it more than you would if you wouldn't bleed it. But that's my take on it.
My theory is that Vernestra was indeed Qimir (Last Name Ren?)s Master, however something happened and he slowly fell to the Dark Side and then at one point snapped, maybe killed some people or something, she confronted him but he was too fast and got away but not before she managed to graze him with the Lightwhip. Vernestra then either calculated or panicked and started to cover it all up because we get hints and all about some political Issues the Senate or at least some Senators have with the Jedi currently and a situation like a Padawan falling to the Dark Side and doing something bad is well, a really bad look for the Jedi Order and of course a very bad look for Vernestra herself and her Status (she was the youngest Knight after all at 15/16)... However, I don't think that she's the "Big Bad" and that Qimir found someone else, maybe Koril who survived (don't think we saw her corpse explicitly), which would also explain why he knows so much about Osha, Mae, Sol and the other Jedi but as any Dark Sider, now seeks to supplant his Master with a Pupil of his own.
Can Quimir also be the Duku/ ventris to palpatine. Meaning he’s the apprentice looking for his own apprentice. To rid himself of his master “Plageus” maybe ??
I think Vernestra was Qimir's old Jedi Master before he turned to the dark side. I think when he turned or was about to, Vernestra attacked him and thought she killed him. The scars on his back look like something from a whip. I think this may turn into a Luke/Ben situation where she either pushed him into the hands of a Sith or tried to stop him from becoming one.
Milord Kyle!!! i heavily thought that he was a student of the Temple and found information out on the Sith or Revan and then broke off or was kicked out for studying such topics. >.> i think with Kylo Ren's Theme, this might be the first REN but i always thought of Ren as short name of Revan. like a secret name? it would tickle me giddy if it turns out he is idolizing the Sith or Revan himself and walking both the dark and light side of the force in balance. self created Revanite which over time devolves into the Knights of Ren!? i would ADORE THIS!!!
The unknown planet is most likely Bal’demnic, not Ahch-To. Bal’demnic is an ocean planet with rocky islands and it’s rich in cortosis. In legends, Plagueis killed Tenebrous on the planet.
Qimir is a fallen/dark Jedi who wants revenge on the Jedi and he found Mae who felt the same way and no she betrayed him and now he’s going after OSHA to turn her
Guys, I loved this episode. It feels so natural. Also, I think the planet could be Bal'demnic, the planet where Plagueis kills Tenebrous. It's a planet with large quantities of cortosis and it has many islands and is fairly unknown to the Republic that there is cortosis there.
Next week's episode will most definitely make or break the show Its execution needs to be just perfect enough to get SOME of the naysayers back in the show's good graces I'm going to think about how it'll unfold ALL week long It's going to be such a LONG wait! Ugh
What I predicted after episode 2 or 3 has happened: Osha and Mae somehow switch places and/or masters, quite literally I knew Mae was going to be found out easily, even in this episode; the PIP droid reset was the act that got her caught, not so smart on her part I thought she was smarter than that If she truly knew her sister, the PIP would've stayed like he was Qimir is more of a revolutionary independent than a Sith; his beliefs and actions don't quite align with that religion The only thing that does line up is how he preaches that one can tap into the Force with their passion, the MO for a Sith Everything else is just circumstantial; he wants to teach this philosophy to any who'd listen The Sith always thought about themselves when obtaining power; no sharing at all Osha will definitely start going down the dark path that no one at that point in time has come back from Like Qimir said, once you lose everything, you'll truly be free Nothing is holding her back anymore, not even Sol and his teachings She wants the Force to flow through her again more than anything and she's taking that chance I'm awfully sad to see this if it does happen I love Osha's character
Loving the Acolyte. Some of the best Star Wars since ESB imo. We are finally getting to see Dark Side training in live action! I have a theory that Osha will end up being Plagueis by the end. I love this idea. Even if no one is Plagueis and everyone winds up as just new characters I’m fine with it. I never get mad at Star Wars. I’ve always watched it as if it’s history and that’s just what happened a long time ago in A galaxy far, far away. MTFBWY….always
@@MichaelPK03 that's your opinion. The rest of us enjoy it. I'm not understanding the hate watching a group of the fandom is doing. Why waste your time?
@@apryllbrown3582 this is a CW Show Leslye has fantasized about. It’s not Star Wars. It’s just not very good writing either even trying to be a CW show. Telling Star Wars fans to stop watching will only hurt this show. Numbers are already bad. Like telling sports fans to stop supporting a team because they don’t like the losing team at the moment. I see people liking this cause OMG he is so hot blah blah blah. That is not fandom that is femdom…on Disney! They are sexualizing men the same way the complained women were in the 90s and 80s lol. Hypocrite trash
Maybe there is a Sith Lord we haven't seen yet and that Qimir is looking to take the power of two….from his Master. So if Qimir has a Sith master out there, to take on an apprentice would be like a challenge to the title of Sith to any other Sith during the era….i am starting to like Qimir because its interesting to see a different take on a dark sider like this, but he's dead if Darth Tenebrous or Plagueis is around. Since they changed Ki-Adi-Mundi's lore, anything is up for grabs, like Tenebrous being one or two hundred years older then originally.
What’s the chances of osha turning. Mae realizing the error of her ways but dying and sol just being broken and dying of a broken heart (without a weapon) and osha completing Mae’s quest..!!!! That would genuinely be pretty awesome 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Don't diss the padawan. He's running due diligence. I mean something the Jedi should have done with certain ambitious Senator a century later... ;) Or if they sent a field team to Tatooine to check on circumstances of Shmi Skywalker's death and recovery. "All these Tuskens were slaughtered by a lightsaber. Don't you think it was Padawan ProphecyBoy?" ;)
Qimir specifically said that the Jedi would call him Sith, he did not identify himself as that. Also, I think we will all have a very different opinion of Sol by the end of the next episode.
Why a red saber? By ways of the Force, a Sith would pour negative emotions, such as rage, hate, fear, and pain into kyber crystals. These emotions cause the crystal to feel the same anguish, which turns it red while feeding back to the user the same emotions becoming an never ending loop of pure Sith fuel.
In the new canon they did feature Cortosis into a plot set during the Clone Wars, in the second book of the first new Thrawn trilogy. They mentioned it was very brittle and had to be woven into other materials to be useful, iirc.
Don't most Sith Apprentices usually have a Sith Acolyte though? I'm pretty sure Qimir is the Sith Apprentice, or at least a Sith Acolyte tossed away by a Sith Apprentice. Either they will introduce some Sith Apprentice as Qimir's master doing damage control by killing Qimir and making Osha the new Acolyte. Or what I think will happen, is that Qimir is the Sith Apprentice and Osha will become his Acolyte. This being Canon, there isn't really any need to stick to who were the Sith Lords of the time as Legends. Canon usually at best just kind of nods to Legends and then takes a bit of Legends and goes a totally different route with it. Rebels was particularly good at that. So, my theory is, Qimir is a Sith Apprentice, maybe even one tossed away by his Sith Lord master who felt Qimir was too nice or something to fulfill the Rule of Two grand plan. Qimir knows he needs a pupil, someone who can help him gain the power to defeat his master, or former master while being able to carry out his plans. Something similar to Sidieous and Darth Maul during Legends or Tyranus and Ventress then Savage Opress during Clone Wars. Tyranus (I know I'm butchering the spelling I'm sure) even made Savage kill his first Jedi without a weapon if I remember correctly. So Qirmir is certainly applying Sith teaching methods with how he taught Mae. He even spoon feeds her the first line of the Sith Code. Bane's Order of The Sith Lords even innitially believed that true power in the Dark Side could be found completely in the Sith Code if memory serves. Been forever since I read those books, so I need to refresh. Anyways, my two cents, Qimir is Sith, just might be one similar to Tyranus where he is never going to become a true Sith Master.
Darth Sidious' lightsabers were made of phrik and aurodium. Not cortosis. I also think Bazil is a plant by either Qimir or his master. But probably Qimir. He's focused his aggression on Mae after she betrayed The Stranger, he clearly is who sabotaged Sol's ship and was the only survivor who could have tipped off The Stranger to where the away team was. Watch the little guy.
I think this is the best 'seduction of the dark side' we have seen. Other instances it's just some evil guy being like oo join the dark side, but in this, it actually is presented as valid and relatable as a choice. He treats her as an equal, validates her feelings, and offers her choices, which probably make her feel the opposite of how things were like being with the jedi
What about Palpatine seducing anakin?
Might lib
This. Obviously the best way to make someone join you is to give them that choice and play the good cop. Excellent manipulation. Just throw all her fears in front of her eyes and make her question her allegiance.
@@azk9218 yep. Get her to think for herself. Question everything. Act like you're just trying to help.
My favorite episode of "Teen Titants " was called " The Sum Of His Parts." In it, after an accident Cyborg meets a Cyborg underdweller named Fix It, whom offers to make Cyborg "perfect." It's clear that Fix It simply wants Cyborg as another citizen in his dominion, but like Qimir, he acts like he just wants to help. Those biological needs and weaknesses? Sunlight, fresh air, food? Why on Earth does he needs those. Better to remove those biological parts altogether.
his manipulation is so effective on so many levels. denying her the ability to get revenge on him in a jedi way by making himself vulnerable and "defenseless", even framing the descriptions of yord and jecki around oshas own worst fears.
He's really smart
He played her like a fiddle and as far as I can tell never even told a direct lie. It was impressive
Qimir is seriously becoming one of the most interesting "bad" guys we've had in a minute. Looking forward to the flash back episode next week 🤞🏼
While Qimir is my favorite character. I'm still fully convinced he's evil.
Sith lie. They twist truths. They desire power. It's a staple to what they are.
Lee Jung-jae as Sol is breaking my heart. Sol may not be the absolute good guy here, but the performance is deep, full of pain, guilt and regret.
"Those look like whip marks".
The only Jedi acting more shady than Sol, is Vernestra. She may have been Quimir's master.
I think so too; but where I think the twist will be; is that Quimir had already been seduced and turned to the Darkside when she gave him those marks; I see there being a mirror Jedi Master Vernestra vs fallen potentially turned to the Darkside now a Sith Apprentice Quimir ( we still haven't heard his Darth title yet) and Jedi Master Obi Wan vs fallen to the darkside Sith Apprentice Anakin. Imagine a scenario where Anakin continued to use his first name after losing his fight with Obi Wan; came across a former Jedi who failed out of the Academy and told that former Jedi that he too once was a Jedi; then points to his two metal legs and his one metal arm; hinting that it was his Jedi Master who did that to him ( Which Obi Wan did do) but he's lying by omitting key crucial details as to why Obi Wan did that to him. I think Quimir is lying to Osha by omitting the key crucial details as to why Vernestra gave him those whip marks. Again my theory is Quimir had already turned and was seduced to the Darkside and that he and Vernestra had a duel when Vernestra went and tried to reason with him and ultimately she defeated him and "abondoned" him due to him being a lost cause; similar to how Anakin would have argued Obi Wan abandoned him
@@brandoman79 I think Vernestra's a Mace Windu-type character; she's not evil, she's still loyal to the Jedi, but her willingness to let politics affect her decisions has morally compromised her. I think she knows more about this whole situation than she's letting on, and has hidden whatever happened with Qimir from the Council because "the scandal of a(nother) fallen Jedi (my failure as a teacher) would weaken our (my) standing with the Senate".
I also think Qimir being a Sith is an intentional misdirect and he'll end up being the original Ren, a fallen Jedi who's really only practicing a bastardized form of the Sith religion. The maybe have Plagueis or possibly Tenebrous showing up at the end of the season, eager to ensure that the Jedi discover that this so-called "Sith" is merely a wannabe so that the actual Sith can continue flying under the radar.
Then again, maybe none of this is right and I'm way off. I don't wanna get too attached to my theory and then get upset when the season ends and "Mephisto was actually just Ralph Bohner".
Whips leave slashes, not doodles. Not unless he and Vernestra were into hot wax/plasma tickle play. That is more zorro tip drawing or energy blasts.
This series is finally turning to the show we wanted, very excited
The messaging in clothing before and after the dip into the water was spot on.
The whole black to white and baptismal energy of it all was 🔥
@@rushvand2685 never thought of that, great catch!!
Vernestra was his master and the scars are from the whip. Calling it now
100%. she was STRESSED when she started thinking about it
She be hella sweating 😓😅
@@Diana-wk9qv …stop
Thats a red herring imo. Perhaps he was her padawan, but those scars are not from the lightwhip i'm guessing, as its too obvious.
@shugaroony I mean it isn't subtle but have you seen the rest of the show? They're telegraphing all the twists
Osha mentioned she started feeling things through the Force again. It's why she touched that moth, she unexpectedly sensed its existence
Did you guys notice how Qimir changed the color of his outfit into a lighter more Jedi-like one after the swim … I think that was hinting at his duality or at least a super strong convincing tactic.
Also interesting how the cute little creatures on the island showed affection and were hugging, and then we get him talking about OSHA’s past of loving those who can “only go so far” - another tactic as in “don’t you want more?”
And when Mae came to and her hands were tied with Sol sitting there, I immediately thought of Rey and Kylo scene in Force awakens… wonder if there was some meaning there..
Ahhh such an awesome show❤ can’t wait for ep7!!!
I remember everyone whining “but you can’t even see out that helmet” lol
Couple things. The saber thickness has a canon reason. The high republic sabers stopped being so ornate when the Nihil conflict started. They switched to a “battle saber” which was chonky and rugged and easy to mass produce since they knew sabers were going to be lost and need replacement
That’s why all of their sabers are so big (sadly) that and they can be replicated at galaxy’s edge
Also we have to acknowledge the fact Qimir killed the Jedi with no sight or sounds available. Just the force
That end shot of OSHA was very much Vader getting the helmet in Revenge of the Sith
Yeah I felt it too. She is going to the darkside..I think
I thought it was original ending to rotj with Luke putting on the helmet
I've said elsewhere, I'll say it here... I'm starting to think that Qimir/the Stranger is the titular Acolyte and he's looking for his own Acolyte to help him supplant the Apprentice.
He's a "rejected" apprentice. A Padawan who got in touch with some Sith texts and went dark, being lightsaberwhipped, left for dead (too bad Vernestra did not have Conspiracy Padawan to have a look at the body). He's trying to get his own apprentice and start own Dark Side cult :)
@@tucmakukla Quite possible! Either theory works for me. Heck, if I recall, Tenebrous had two apprentices at one point, and if he’s the second, I’m cool with that, too.
@@LeChaunce Tenebrous had Plageuis and Venamis. I wish Qimir would be Venamis, but doubt it's gonna happen.
@@potkan07 I don’t know anything about Venamis - could The Stranger be him? Is it possible?
@@LeChaunce Venamis was second apprentice of Tenebrous, as Tenebrous thought Plageuis might have not been worthy. Venamis and Plageuis later had duel, which Plageuis obviously won and killed Venamis.
Vernestra's unease regarding hyperspace travel is a fantastic callback to the novels.
Theory time: I think that Qimir was in stasis not unlike Dagan Gera. He implies it with his response to Osha "It was very long ago".
I don't think Sol knew, I think Basil alerted him.
100%. Which is INSANE!!!
What if Venestra is a sith lord and Qmir was her apprentice and maybe she also trained Sol which is why when Sol said "what kind if master hides their face from their pupil", Qmir said "you tell me?" Possibly as a double meaning referring to both Venestra hiding her true face from Sol, and Sol covering up what happened on Brendock? Not a theory based on a lot other than "wouldnt it be cool if".
Plus that would also very well explain why she seems to be covering up what is happening, because she doesnt want the sith to be revealed to the jedi
Thanks to Kyle, Bendu and Nerd Chronic! 🌑
Sol didn’t know she was Mae, his mind was unsettled and after he calm himself a little was when he could finally sense it… BUT when he saw she resets Pip is when he confirmed it, cause Osha would’ve never reset pip 👀
Another connection to Qimir’s Master being the Lightwhip user is his shoto and I’m surprised no one else has mentioned it, Shotos counter Lightwhips and maybe that’s the sole reason he survived his master attacking him but still took on scars.
Next week, Qimir will say, "Ever wondered where I got these scars?"
I think Sol was a bit overwhelmed by all that had happened at first for him to notice that it was Mae.... but I think as he calmed down, he finally realized who he had brought on board the ship.
green jedi is his master, whip lashes on his back...
venestra
I think she was his Jedi master, not his Sith master.
Sol would have known who he was on olega then
This would be cool, although it’s still a lightsaber and a whip probably hits physically harder than a slash/stab so surely would’ve killed him no? Just speculating.
@@nabeel.zuberi He said it was a VERY long time ago. If Sol doesnt know who her prior padawans were how would he know ? Venestra is over 100 years old. Theres rumors that Q'mir is keeping himself young using the dark side
no one here is making the connection that kylo rens music was playing throught the helmet scenes. i think Qimir was one of the originators of the Knights of Ren, bc we never really got to know what was in kylo's mask. it really couldve been sensory deprivation in the same way qimir used it, if not then just to honor him
if you dident know, the actor David Harewood has role in the actolyte and his character has not been revealed yet. rumour has it that hes character is the big bad,Qimirs master.
Love the show gruesomely reminding the audience of jecki and yord's deaths at the same time as Qimir is attempting to make Osha get over them (but also using her rage over them as one of her potential tethers to the dark side)
Yeah, with one scene right after the other too. We see Qimir giving Osha advice, seemingly being friendly and encouraging her to trust herself... and then the scene immediately cuts to his handiwork: dead bodies everywhere, including a child.
Qimir is like Maul in that neither one of them lies. They tell the truth from a "certain point of view, " but never lie.
The Jedi imprison while the Sith offer the temptation of freedom.
so glad i wasn't the only one who said "Don't end" when the black screen stayed on for a little to long.
Its all very intruguing. Its not been a faultless series, but I'm enjoying it a lot.
Qimir was 100% her old padawan, the whip marks confirm it.
sees Osha and Qimir flirting: longest ‘ye boy’ ever
😂😂😂
Who wouldn't fall for the hot Filipino Sith Lord?
I think you could be onto something with the Vernestra being Qimir's former master or at least her being the cause of his scars. Vernestra is 116 years old at the time of the Acolyte and i think Qimir might be far older than he looks because of the way he emphasized that he was a jedi "A really long time ago". Qimir could be similar to Dagan Gera in the way that he was in Bacta sleep or even Cryostatis/Carbonite for a long time. He could have been Vernestra's padawan 60 years prior to the show for all we know.
The dark sider talks freely and doesn’t hold a weapon, rather letting the “prisoner” hold it. The Jedi, sol, talks with Mae when she’s restrained and held against her will, he’s the one with the weapon.
Whatever happened to Sol, it must’ve been traumatic, this fight has shaken him down to bare primal instincts.
God I need to start the arm workout to get a cosplay ready.
I know the reason why sabers are a little larger in this show is the hilts hold electronic components for the sabers for this show, but as a stretch it could be a natural progression of technology. Though otherwise it could just be a style that’s popular at the time, I don’t mind either way
PIP has the power drain of an iPad
Star Wars Explained has a theory in two parts: one, Vernestra Rwoh was Qimir's master because her lightwhip could've only incurred that scar on his back; two, she may be the master behind everything because she's starting to act pretty sus
She was doing math in her head and said she "personally" wants to go to Khofar to see what Qimir has done
She may be worried Qimir is blowing her cover and ruining everything
She may have been using the Order and Sol this whole time
I'm inclined to agree with this
It may be the last layer of the onion that'll peel back and reveal as a major cliffhanger twist
Qimir’s a Sith apprentice who wants to leave the Sith, but he first wants to kill the Sith by killing his master. His Sith master is Venestra.
FINALLLY!!!! The head Gonk droid dropped the video!
Every thing with Osha and Qimir on that "Unknown Planet" the whole situation is like a "mirror" or reversed version of Rey and Luke on Ach-To in The Last Jedi. I mean it seemed fully intentional. Bazil was causing the power disruption and comms glitches to delay Sol and Mae "Osha" so he could tell Sol that "Osha" wasn't Osha.
I think that at first Sol didn't know "Osha" was really Mae until Bazil told him, but he did see that "Osha" was acting a bit "off", her lack of being upset about Jecki was a big red flag, it was Bazil that confirmed it wasn't Osha....
Notice that Qimir said he was a Jedi *a very long time ago* (he could be much older than he appears), and his "Jedi" Master tried to kill him and left a large whip-like scar on his back.
Qimir didn't even claim to be a sith.
"what are you?"
"I have no name..." - a direct claim to 'what he is'.
"... but the jedi like you might call me sith". This isn't him claiming to be sith, this is 100% him using the Jedi's rules to define him. He is just himself, he wants a pupil, he wants the freedom to do as he wishes without the Jedi getting involved. But the jedi would stamp a title on him, they would absolutely define him as sith.
Sure, and yet if he had left them alone they wouldn't have even bothered with (or cared about) him.
It wasn't until he sent May after them that they even realised he existed, so it makes no sense to stir the pot as it were...
He’s a Sith……the power of two didn’t clue you in?
I think he's learnt about the Sith and maybe even has a Sith holocron which has been his teacher... but it's more of a ruse to destabilise the Jedi, cause he knows he's not actually Sith. He's a dangerous Sith wannabe!
@@TheRedBrethrenif he was a master or apprentice, he would have a Sith name. What is his Sith name?
@@Tiamat951 Unless the killings were Mae's plan and he, true to his ideology, gave her freedom to do so.
Also he probably wanted to get Osha once he saw Mae is too consumed by revenge.
I have a feeling Bazil is important. He took care of Pip, while Mae did the opposite.
And it's interesting that Mae is so negative about EVERYTHING, except for Bazil. Her first instinct with Bazil is like, "Hey little guy!"
I 100% trust Bazil to do the right thing.
I think Kyle is right about which planet they went to. Those small ‘cute’ things are probably the baby version of the Green Juice creature Luke milks
or maybe its Bal'demnic, an ocean planet in the outer rim. in legends, no one comes to the planet because of the extreme climate but darth tenebrous and darth plagueis have heard about many occurrences of cortosis and were trying to mine it.
I don't think so, that was 2 adults with a child so they were full grown.
I’m going with Bal’denmic. They kept it unknown because if they called it Bal’denmic we’d automatically connect it to Plagueis and Tenebrous. Plagueis kills Tenebrous on Bal’denmic after they discover the cortosis in legends and I have a feeling. LoL
your not very bright are you?
I'm pretty sure Sol didn't know it was Mai until he noted how odd she acted. I think he was being so emotional after the fight he wasn't sensing her presence and only till he began to calm himself did he check her mind when he saw the differences in her personality.
Overall a great episode. Finally getting some revelations next week which will shape how the final episode will go.
Bazil told him for sure. They focused on him after the stun and showed him following her around too much for that to not be the takeaway
It's like he was saying, how come he couldn't sense Quimir in the shop? His mind has been clouded for a while
Sol was "too emotional" to notice? A Jedi - too emotional? I am absolutely mystified how ANYONE could possibly like this show. All the power to you, like what you like, I'm not criticizing your taste I'm just amazed how anyone, especially a Star Wars fan could possibly like anything about this show.
The actual planet name in the episode could be Bal'demnic, a Legends world that contains stores of cortosis on the islands surrounding the oceans
Also, as another nod to Legends, this was the place where Plagueis killed his master, Tenebrous
These writers are impressing me with their respect and love for the old lore
This episode was very intriguing.
Venestra is being quite suspicious with wanting to lead the rescue mission, then we have Qmir saying that long ago he used to be a Jedi and it seems his Sith Master(?) literally stabbed him on the back. It is just me or that seemed more like he was hit with a lightsaber whip on his back? The scar wasn't a straight line. Plus they had that very gratuitous scene of Venestra using her whip to kill one of those bugs.
Now Sol is also going obssessed with finding Osha and Qmir, even if that mean ignoring his Jedi superiors.
Plus it seems he is preparing to tell Mae what happened in Brendok.
I feel like Episode 8 will end up being a big three way fight involving Qmir/Osha, Sol/Mae and Venestra/her accompanying Jedi squad.
I may be mistaken, but the snouts on those little creatures made me think of the creatures Luke MIlked. Its been many years, but I think the creature Luke Milked had the same kind of snout. This implies that it could indeed be the same planet, as the creatures may have had similar evolutionary paths. Just a thought.
Could Qimir be Imri Cantaros? Qimir did say a long time ago... Qimir has shown he has empathic abilities and is good at disguising himself... Cantaros did slip to the dark side and duelled with Rwoh... maybe he escaped the destruction of starlight and when the Jedi didn't come to rescue him he lost it...
That cortosis helmet might be the key to Osha being able to reconnect to the Force. Perhaps the reason why she washed out as a Jedi was her inability to focus. I see Osha going dark side.
I don’t care what anyone says, Qimir being, maybe not the first, but a knight of ren, and him trying to build a cult of followers that believe the same as him. The cortosis in the cave could be used endlessly to create helmets for all of his fellow knights. Come on! The ideals, the moral compass, the fighting style described as lawless.. this screams connection to the Knights of Ren. And I’d rather that over the Sith ANY DAY.
I totally got the vibe that Venestra knows what the "something to tip the scales" is and on watching your reaction I had the thought when you guys were talking about the "whip scars" that she totally was the one who gave him the scars even if she wasn't his master, then towards the end you came to the same conclusion. It would explain why she's so on edge about the whole thing.
I've been pretty dang vocal about how much potential this show has but for me wasn't reaching it, last weeks episode was the first time I got excited for the show. THIS weeks episode is EVERYTHING I've wanted. Took its time, all acting was top notch. When it went to black before the final scene I was actually worried that it was over, whereas with the other episodes it was abrupt and I was disappointed. This episode I really wanted more. This is the first time this season that I am HYPED for next weeks episode.
Just came to say that I love your channel. Thanks for being a beacon of goodness in the Star Wars creator space.
I do believe Sol is dark side. His indulgence of Osha's attachments to Pip and Jecki is so anti Jedi training and he's absolutely hiding the truth about what he did to the coven. And agree with those saying Venestra is Qimir's former Master.
The Vernestra as his master is what i suspect. Makes sense that she is one of the few known characters in the series. What if we get a split Sol/Vernestra episode?
Good to see some true SW fans giving this show an honest shot, and recognizing it for its merits while still being critical. It's a fine line for most Star Wars CCs but you guys walk it very nicely.
Assorted things I loved about this episode:
-Acknowledging that Osha had feelings for Jecki after they had one of the gayest conversations ever a few weeks ago
-Vern's saber whip! Heck yeah High Republic!
-Vern desperately trying not to repeat what she's see happen (during the Nihil conflict) when Jedi keep secrets, are too scattered, and communicate poorly
-Keeping alive the idea that Plagueis or another master is still out there, as it seems like Qimir might have tried to kill his master and failed
-As many have also said, turning Qimir into probably the most well-characterized and interesting Sith character (leastways without further developing him in a ton of supplemental material)
Qimir is such a great character. I hope he survives this season. I want to see more stories featuring him.
Agree! He is the best character and still have things to explore around him. I really hope he'll not be killed.
Was good, think they are in a cortosis mine.
Possible qimir is a failed apprentice and tenebrous will come in and kill him, then plageuis will come kill him?
Feel like it would be cool to see that. But thats just me being super hopeful.
well remember, Leslye is a fan of the expanded universe and she said that the Acolyte will be a treat for EU fans. It wouldn't shock me if she brings tenebrous and plageuis into the picture in this series!
@@orainefoster8316 I know, that's why I have hope. Even if it's a fools hope.
Oh god nooo don't kill Qimir 🥲🥲 He is the most interesting character and still have to explore more around him
I'd love to finally see plageuis on screen.
Mae has killed a number of Jedi! I would lock her down as well!
lol at Basil charging the droid in the ship kitchen.
Agree with KK: Vernestra was once Qimr's master, perhaps, hence the whiplash burn scar on his back.
These are the type of SW fans i like. Good on you guys, great reaction cannot waiiittt for ep 7!!!
The kind that like anything and think that nothing is bad?
It would be so cool if the cortosis vein on the island is hinting at the planet being bal'demnic where Tenebrous and Plagueis mined cortosis
They showed Vernestra using her cool asf light saber whip for a reason. She caused the scars on Kimir's back. She abused him and then abandoned him. This is all her fault and she's going to die.
Vernestra is definitely Qimir's old Jedi Master, her character getting involved more, the talk and focus on his scar that looks whip-shaped, and then the very obvious reveal of the lightwhip that wasn't really necessary to do and could have been left out and saved for later but they decided to use it right then and there, so it has to mean something right?
I think that Qimir is a true sith of Bane's line, but the Jedi won't know that and will assume him to be a fallen Jedi much like Xanatos Du Crion and Komari Vosa in legends. Personally I think Qimir would be a good fit for Darth Venamis.
If we're looking at the timeline I'd say Plagueis is not the sith master yet. In Legends, Plagueis' master is Darth Tenebrous who had another secret sith apprentice Darth Venamis. According to the wiki, Venamis was a very talented duelist, very strong in the force, and could even levitate himself. Sound familiar? Venamis and Plagueis did not know of one another and eventually Plagueis overthrew and killed Tenebrous and soon after would be forced to also deal with Venamis who came after him. Venamis himself was also never truly given the title of Darth and was considered to be an illegitimate sith according to Plagueis. Long story short, I believe that Qimir is a canon version of Darth Venamis.
I think Qimir is a true sith of Bane's line and not just a fallen jedi because what jedi knows the sith code? Throughout the series Qimir had been quoting pieces of the sith code, especially peace is a lie, and has talked about killing the jedi dream. Why would he remain in hiding for so long, how did he get so skilled, etc. To me I think he is a sith apprentice, and Venamis fits the bill.
As for him seeking a pupil, could be him trying to get an apprentice of his own to eventually overthrow his master or something similar.
This show is such a tale of two experiences to me.
On one hand, the action has been stellar and the expansion of lore of the Star Wars Galaxy is awesome! The mysteries are intriguing. Qimir, Jecki, Yord, and Sol have been standout performers.
On the other hand, the runtimes and some of the writing choices have me scratching my head.
I also believe Vernestra was Qimir's former master. I feel like there was no other reason to show the Light Whip in such a nothing bit right after showing his whip scars.
Couldn’t agree more. The concept of the show is excellent and has shown that the potential is really high… but the writing has just been a mess, IMO. Dialogue, character decisions (largely Mae), uneven flow jumping between different scenes/locations, and runtime. Not sure how it was cobbled together, but it doesn’t feel cohesive at all and really hope that gets fixed if they have a season 2. I want to love it so badly, but I’m just having a really hard time 😢
It's the run times for me. I would take fewer episodes, to make them longer (or just longer all together). But I agree, the action and performances have been great and my enjoyment has been overall very positive.
Agreed
Runtime 💔 I don't know but it bothers me. I hope they will make a second season cuz there are more to explore.
Without a doubt he is Venestra’s padawan. In addition to the whip scars, he mentions to Osha that he was a padawan “a long time ago” indicating he ages slowly and Venestra is quite old at this point as well
Well about the red saber. Bleeding is when you're able to focus on the darkness so much that you corrupt the kyber crystal itself. My take is that it allows you to attune to it even more, it is like adjusting the crystal from the natural state to corrupted state so you can utilize it more than you would if you wouldn't bleed it. But that's my take on it.
11:38 It would appear that the "high ground" is not always an advantage.
My theory is that Vernestra was indeed Qimir (Last Name Ren?)s Master, however something happened and he slowly fell to the Dark Side and then at one point snapped, maybe killed some people or something, she confronted him but he was too fast and got away but not before she managed to graze him with the Lightwhip.
Vernestra then either calculated or panicked and started to cover it all up because we get hints and all about some political Issues the Senate or at least some Senators have with the Jedi currently and a situation like a Padawan falling to the Dark Side and doing something bad is well, a really bad look for the Jedi Order and of course a very bad look for Vernestra herself and her Status (she was the youngest Knight after all at 15/16)...
However, I don't think that she's the "Big Bad" and that Qimir found someone else, maybe Koril who survived (don't think we saw her corpse explicitly), which would also explain why he knows so much about Osha, Mae, Sol and the other Jedi but as any Dark Sider, now seeks to supplant his Master with a Pupil of his own.
Can Quimir also be the Duku/ ventris to palpatine. Meaning he’s the apprentice looking for his own apprentice. To rid himself of his master “Plageus” maybe ??
That planet isn't Ach To, it's far more likely to be Bal'demnic which is a planet that the Sith control and that has a vast store of Cortosis on it.
I think Vernestra was Qimir's old Jedi Master before he turned to the dark side. I think when he turned or was about to, Vernestra attacked him and thought she killed him. The scars on his back look like something from a whip. I think this may turn into a Luke/Ben situation where she either pushed him into the hands of a Sith or tried to stop him from becoming one.
Milord Kyle!!! i heavily thought that he was a student of the Temple and found information out on the Sith or Revan and then broke off or was kicked out for studying such topics. >.> i think with Kylo Ren's Theme, this might be the first REN but i always thought of Ren as short name of Revan. like a secret name? it would tickle me giddy if it turns out he is idolizing the Sith or Revan himself and walking both the dark and light side of the force in balance. self created Revanite which over time devolves into the Knights of Ren!? i would ADORE THIS!!!
I'm wondering if they built the hilt thick to make retractable sabers🤔
The unknown planet is most likely Bal’demnic, not Ahch-To. Bal’demnic is an ocean planet with rocky islands and it’s rich in cortosis. In legends, Plagueis killed Tenebrous on the planet.
Could Qimir & maybe Osha be the First Knights of Ren?
Qimir is a fallen/dark Jedi who wants revenge on the Jedi and he found Mae who felt the same way and no she betrayed him and now he’s going after OSHA to turn her
Guys, I loved this episode. It feels so natural. Also, I think the planet could be Bal'demnic, the planet where Plagueis kills Tenebrous. It's a planet with large quantities of cortosis and it has many islands and is fairly unknown to the Republic that there is cortosis there.
Wondering if this was the "Alien episode" Leslye mentioned, but most of all didn't expect it to be from Bazil's perspective. 10/10 no notes😂🔥
Sol is the most believable character. I feel his torment. And Qimir after Sol.
Jecki & Yord seeing their bodies that was so disrespectful
Next week's episode will most definitely make or break the show
Its execution needs to be just perfect enough to get SOME of the naysayers back in the show's good graces
I'm going to think about how it'll unfold ALL week long
It's going to be such a LONG wait! Ugh
What I predicted after episode 2 or 3 has happened: Osha and Mae somehow switch places and/or masters, quite literally
I knew Mae was going to be found out easily, even in this episode; the PIP droid reset was the act that got her caught, not so smart on her part
I thought she was smarter than that
If she truly knew her sister, the PIP would've stayed like he was
Qimir is more of a revolutionary independent than a Sith; his beliefs and actions don't quite align with that religion
The only thing that does line up is how he preaches that one can tap into the Force with their passion, the MO for a Sith
Everything else is just circumstantial; he wants to teach this philosophy to any who'd listen
The Sith always thought about themselves when obtaining power; no sharing at all
Osha will definitely start going down the dark path that no one at that point in time has come back from
Like Qimir said, once you lose everything, you'll truly be free
Nothing is holding her back anymore, not even Sol and his teachings
She wants the Force to flow through her again more than anything and she's taking that chance
I'm awfully sad to see this if it does happen
I love Osha's character
Not a whip mark scar. Couldn't make the Y shape. That's Force Lightning.
Loving the Acolyte. Some of the best Star Wars since ESB imo. We are finally getting to see Dark Side training in live action!
I have a theory that Osha will end up being Plagueis by the end. I love this idea. Even if no one is Plagueis and everyone winds up as just new characters I’m fine with it.
I never get mad at Star Wars. I’ve always watched it as if it’s history and that’s just what happened a long time ago in A galaxy far, far away. MTFBWY….always
So much sexual tension/innuendo last night. It's given birth to so much fanfic in AO3 🤣
This show is fanfic, it’s not Star Wars. It’s the CW trying to be Buffy
@@MichaelPK03 that's your opinion. The rest of us enjoy it. I'm not understanding the hate watching a group of the fandom is doing. Why waste your time?
@@apryllbrown3582the chuds never have a real response to that. Most of them are too cowardly to even pretend to answer
@@apryllbrown3582 this is a CW Show Leslye has fantasized about. It’s not Star Wars. It’s just not very good writing either even trying to be a CW show. Telling Star Wars fans to stop watching will only hurt this show. Numbers are already bad. Like telling sports fans to stop supporting a team because they don’t like the losing team at the moment. I see people liking this cause OMG he is so hot blah blah blah. That is not fandom that is femdom…on Disney! They are sexualizing men the same way the complained women were in the 90s and 80s lol. Hypocrite trash
@@apryllbrown3582they left the Order and now need to understand why were so reactive... while still being addictively reactive!
Maybe there is a Sith Lord we haven't seen yet and that Qimir is looking to take the power of two….from his Master. So if Qimir has a Sith master out there, to take on an apprentice would be like a challenge to the title of Sith to any other Sith during the era….i am starting to like Qimir because its interesting to see a different take on a dark sider like this, but he's dead if Darth Tenebrous or Plagueis is around.
Since they changed Ki-Adi-Mundi's lore, anything is up for grabs, like Tenebrous being one or two hundred years older then originally.
What’s the chances of osha turning. Mae realizing the error of her ways but dying and sol just being broken and dying of a broken heart (without a weapon) and osha completing Mae’s quest..!!!! That would genuinely be pretty awesome 🤞🏻🤞🏻
Now, that is an ending I would love to see!!!
Is it just me, or does the helmet sort of resemble the head f a Xenomorph?
Unknown planet is bal'demnic, it fit perfectly. Google bal'demnic !
Don't diss the padawan. He's running due diligence. I mean something the Jedi should have done with certain ambitious Senator a century later... ;)
Or if they sent a field team to Tatooine to check on circumstances of Shmi Skywalker's death and recovery. "All these Tuskens were slaughtered by a lightsaber. Don't you think it was Padawan ProphecyBoy?"
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Qimir specifically said that the Jedi would call him Sith, he did not identify himself as that. Also, I think we will all have a very different opinion of Sol by the end of the next episode.
Why a red saber? By ways of the Force, a Sith would pour negative emotions, such as rage, hate, fear, and pain into kyber crystals. These emotions cause the crystal to feel the same anguish, which turns it red while feeding back to the user the same emotions becoming an never ending loop of pure Sith fuel.
I missed the old version why lightsaber crystals are red.
In the new canon they did feature Cortosis into a plot set during the Clone Wars, in the second book of the first new Thrawn trilogy. They mentioned it was very brittle and had to be woven into other materials to be useful, iirc.
I like your prediction Kyle. That makes alot of sense.
Liked this episode a lot. Better directing by far.
I think osha failed because when Master sol tried to test her she got fail. And her sister Mae got upset. Maybe that is why🤔🧐
The planet is 100% not Ahch-To as confirmed by Headland herself.
Don't most Sith Apprentices usually have a Sith Acolyte though? I'm pretty sure Qimir is the Sith Apprentice, or at least a Sith Acolyte tossed away by a Sith Apprentice. Either they will introduce some Sith Apprentice as Qimir's master doing damage control by killing Qimir and making Osha the new Acolyte. Or what I think will happen, is that Qimir is the Sith Apprentice and Osha will become his Acolyte.
This being Canon, there isn't really any need to stick to who were the Sith Lords of the time as Legends. Canon usually at best just kind of nods to Legends and then takes a bit of Legends and goes a totally different route with it. Rebels was particularly good at that.
So, my theory is, Qimir is a Sith Apprentice, maybe even one tossed away by his Sith Lord master who felt Qimir was too nice or something to fulfill the Rule of Two grand plan. Qimir knows he needs a pupil, someone who can help him gain the power to defeat his master, or former master while being able to carry out his plans. Something similar to Sidieous and Darth Maul during Legends or Tyranus and Ventress then Savage Opress during Clone Wars. Tyranus (I know I'm butchering the spelling I'm sure) even made Savage kill his first Jedi without a weapon if I remember correctly. So Qirmir is certainly applying Sith teaching methods with how he taught Mae. He even spoon feeds her the first line of the Sith Code.
Bane's Order of The Sith Lords even innitially believed that true power in the Dark Side could be found completely in the Sith Code if memory serves. Been forever since I read those books, so I need to refresh. Anyways, my two cents, Qimir is Sith, just might be one similar to Tyranus where he is never going to become a true Sith Master.
Darth Sidious' lightsabers were made of phrik and aurodium. Not cortosis.
I also think Bazil is a plant by either Qimir or his master. But probably Qimir. He's focused his aggression on Mae after she betrayed The Stranger, he clearly is who sabotaged Sol's ship and was the only survivor who could have tipped off The Stranger to where the away team was. Watch the little guy.