This is a great tribute and deep thought to the fighter pilot culture. Standards, expectations, integrity, humility, credibility. Thanks for the words.
While I enjoyed all of the TedX Dayton 2018 talks, this was by far my favorite. I'm still processing and internalizing it, and finding practical use in my life. Thank you Mark!
Good video. I wasn't in the military, but when I was a journalist I had opportunities to fly on some military fighter and airlift missions and sit in on the debriefs as well as the preflight briefs. The organization and professionalism was impressive.
I was cop in Canada....remembered when my Sgt. told me as a rookie, 23 years old......Rocky...your working by yourself tonight...not saying I was a fighter pilot...but you better have self confidence...and rely on your training...which I did...29 years 3 months later...I retired...in 2007...stay safe...
the fact that both young and old make remarks on each other, is the key to higher success rates. Often you just see the most high ranking person calling the shots and telling the lower guys to just shut up, but this only give a 180 view of the overall success and failure, but to get a 360 view you need the lows guy to say hay sir you called this so i responded. this way but i thank you need to call this way to get the success rate up. the higher ranking guy noted it and adjust to the new information or provided a response on why it was that way, also guys not knowing something becomes notice too everyone here and can be pointed out
Great comments. FWIW, I was an MCC at EADS for several years (including when it was NEADS). When I retired, much of my retirement speech dealt with the military Leader/Follower relationship.
Thank you, Mark. I have often participated in "lessons learned" debrief meetings after spill response exercises and drills as deckhand om a commercial fishing vessel (24/7 response with 1 hour callout) in Alaska, as a public radio board member, an IBEW shop steward representing municipal employees, and with Dad on some of his projects. (Dad started with me in the last 17 years of his 21-year AF career, that none of Dad's and Mom's ranch neighbors knew about until after he passed on, and I, his eldest and their youngest put together a PowerPoint looping slide show for them.) As an AF brat, I recognize that I carry that discipline and care for others through my life. A fellow shop steward, once asked me in wonder how I was so easily able to handle grievance meetings, as it was difficult for him to grasp that he had equal standing with the highest official (city manager, police chief or other dept. head). Write things down in the meeting, send a written summary to all the participants, and accept thanks with the same grace you extend to everyone. I have been researching Cold War history, including 'false flag' events and military losses, learning back to what the founders of this country intended. They, too, were operating in an organization atmosphere similar to that of a fighter squadron. The deliberations in drafting the declaration of independence from England and the tyranny of King George, and the constitution that followed were conducted when every one knew the art of argument, to listen attentively to each argument, and assemble the best into the final product, with the result that everyone participates and everybody wins. When asked, "What sort of government did you give us?" Benjamin Franklin replied, "A constitutional republic, Madam, if you can keep it." That is indeed an atmosphere in which every individual is a sovereign, and a peer with everyone else, and each has a responsibility for the maintenance and administration of the whole. Sadly, "Those who would give up their freedom for safety and security, deserve neither." Another quote from the founders of these united states, and as I research these things, we are witnessing the restoration of constitutional republics. Amazing times!
I really like Your comment . The way You credited Our Founding Father’s who were well educated in historical lesson’s . For too long educator’s and politician’s have called Our form of government Democracy without being corrected . Too many of them being ostentatious and full of themselves easily beguile voter’s who lack the historical knowledge and discernment that enabled the Founder’s to debrief on Why Democracies Failed. That same lack of knowledge and discernment among many government actor’s and voter’s has resulted in many government actor’s being able to deviate from Constitutional prohibition’s often under beguiling auspices and enact laws and policies that are in contempt of Constitutional Prohibition’s with impunity. Things like using authority over taxpayer funded loans as if they were the personal property of Joe Biden for bribing purposed for His personal interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine and to aid and abet his Son Hunter in evading a criminal investigation that obviously the Biden’s and all with knowledge of this in the Obama Administration felt would certainly lead to Hunter being convicted and jailed, a very embarrassing stain for Obama and the Democratic party by their association and fraternity. Biden openly bragged about it and apparently as a courtesy among a fellowship of the same ilk the whole matter and its circumvention of procedural vote of bi partisan approval in matter’s concerning diplomatic respect , integrity and laws was allowed to go unpunished because of the Collusionem et Coniurationem in Biden Scriptor Nepotismus. And now the Biden and Newsome administration’s involvement in willingly and knowingly violating their sworn duties to aid and abet the invasion of Our Country by dismantling the border wall and ignoring the deadly and disastrous consequences of allowing criminals , enemy agents, subversives , agitator’s , combatants , terrorists and infiltrators to enter the U.S. , deploy with the assistance of taxpayer funding as a welcome gift to form a Fifth Column capable of manipulating election outcomes and in the event of failure in that regard to proceed with hostile action’s to disrupt every aspect of American lives and act as impediments to the progress of the Trump Administration to Restore the Republic and its prosperity.
John Wayne Punches Commies on UA-cam a scene from the film Big Jim McLain foretold events and methods to be employed against the U.S. albeit in the film on a much smaller scale than what has just occurred in recent Years. The Communist wanted Wayne killed and their lickspittles in Hollywood and the Media did all they could to discredit Him and dismiss the importance and truth of His works.
Mark is the Democratic nominee for OH Senate District 6. That’s my District. I’m planning on voting for his opponent Niraj Antani, but I may consider voting for Mark simply because of his leadership skills and commitment to the Miami Valley. Good speech Mark!
I'm happy your candidate, Niraj Antani, won. I hope he's a Conservative and not another RINO. I don't understand how anyone in the military can be a Demoncrat. I hope Mark Fogel does not think as the Demoncrats of today think.
@@billwilson5341 He’s a mix of both to say the least. And yea. Most Dems who served or are still actively serving in the Armed Forces are typically Right-of-center or Libertarian-esk Democrats.
VETERANS, USE YOUR GI BILL. GO TO COLLEGE. INTERACT. Know the people who live in your country. Understand your people. YOU ARE A WARRIOR. They want to hear what you know. USE YOUR GI BILL. GO! GO! GO!
I know he said fighter pilots are the opposite of Maverick, but I know from my own experiences that many pilots are cocky individuals not much different from Mav. I met them, talked to them....and honestly I wouldn’t have them any other way. I want that pilot to be the best and believe he is the best every time he/she flies.
It may come as a surprise to fighter pilots, but most if not all military pilots have debriefs. They also have followers and leaders, etc. He gives a good synopsis of military flying and training in general, but not unique to “fighter pilots”.
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This is a great tribute and deep thought to the fighter pilot culture. Standards, expectations, integrity, humility, credibility. Thanks for the words.
While I enjoyed all of the TedX Dayton 2018 talks, this was by far my favorite. I'm still processing and internalizing it, and finding practical use in my life. Thank you Mark!
Good video. I wasn't in the military, but when I was a journalist I had opportunities to fly on some military fighter and airlift missions and sit in on the debriefs as well as the preflight briefs. The organization and professionalism was impressive.
I was cop in Canada....remembered when my Sgt. told me as a rookie, 23 years old......Rocky...your working by yourself tonight...not saying I was a fighter pilot...but you better have self confidence...and rely on your training...which I did...29 years 3 months later...I retired...in 2007...stay safe...
the fact that both young and old make remarks on each other, is the key to higher success rates.
Often you just see the most high ranking person calling the shots and telling the lower guys to just shut up, but this only give a 180 view of the overall success and failure, but to get a 360 view you need the lows guy to say hay sir you called this so i responded. this way but i thank you need to call this way to get the success rate up. the higher ranking guy noted it and adjust to the new information or provided a response on why it was that way, also guys not knowing something becomes notice too everyone here and can be pointed out
Great comments. FWIW, I was an MCC at EADS for several years (including when it was NEADS). When I retired, much of my retirement speech dealt with the military Leader/Follower relationship.
Can u explain what those mean im quite interested
FWIW - For What It's Worth
EADS - Eastern Air Defense Sector
NEADS - Northeast Air Defense Sector
MCC - This is an acronym for several things
Thank you, Mark. I have often participated in "lessons learned" debrief meetings after spill response exercises and drills as deckhand om a commercial fishing vessel (24/7 response with 1 hour callout) in Alaska, as a public radio board member, an IBEW shop steward representing municipal employees, and with Dad on some of his projects. (Dad started with me in the last 17 years of his 21-year AF career, that none of Dad's and Mom's ranch neighbors knew about until after he passed on, and I, his eldest and their youngest put together a PowerPoint looping slide show for them.) As an AF brat, I recognize that I carry that discipline and care for others through my life. A fellow shop steward, once asked me in wonder how I was so easily able to handle grievance meetings, as it was difficult for him to grasp that he had equal standing with the highest official (city manager, police chief or other dept. head). Write things down in the meeting, send a written summary to all the participants, and accept thanks with the same grace you extend to everyone.
I have been researching Cold War history, including 'false flag' events and military losses, learning back to what the founders of this country intended. They, too, were operating in an organization atmosphere similar to that of a fighter squadron. The deliberations in drafting the declaration of independence from England and the tyranny of King George, and the constitution that followed were conducted when every one knew the art of argument, to listen attentively to each argument, and assemble the best into the final product, with the result that everyone participates and everybody wins. When asked, "What sort of government did you give us?" Benjamin Franklin replied, "A constitutional republic, Madam, if you can keep it." That is indeed an atmosphere in which every individual is a sovereign, and a peer with everyone else, and each has a responsibility for the maintenance and administration of the whole.
Sadly, "Those who would give up their freedom for safety and security, deserve neither." Another quote from the founders of these united states, and as I research these things, we are witnessing the restoration of constitutional republics. Amazing times!
I really like Your comment . The way You credited Our Founding Father’s who were well educated in historical lesson’s . For too long educator’s and politician’s have called Our form of government Democracy without being corrected . Too many of them being ostentatious and full of themselves easily beguile voter’s who lack the historical knowledge and discernment that enabled the Founder’s to debrief on Why Democracies Failed. That same lack of knowledge and discernment among many government actor’s and voter’s has resulted in many government actor’s being able to deviate from Constitutional prohibition’s often under beguiling auspices and enact laws and policies that are in contempt of Constitutional Prohibition’s with impunity. Things like using authority over taxpayer funded loans as if they were the personal property of Joe Biden for bribing purposed for His personal interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine and to aid and abet his Son Hunter in evading a criminal investigation that obviously the Biden’s and all with knowledge of this in the Obama Administration felt would certainly lead to Hunter being convicted and jailed, a very embarrassing stain for Obama and the Democratic party by their association and fraternity. Biden openly bragged about it and apparently as a courtesy among a fellowship of the same ilk the whole matter and its circumvention of procedural vote of bi partisan approval in matter’s concerning diplomatic respect , integrity and laws was allowed to go unpunished because of the Collusionem et Coniurationem in Biden Scriptor Nepotismus. And now the Biden and Newsome administration’s involvement in willingly and knowingly violating their sworn duties to aid and abet the invasion of Our Country by dismantling the border wall and ignoring the deadly and disastrous consequences of allowing criminals , enemy agents, subversives , agitator’s , combatants , terrorists and infiltrators to enter the U.S. , deploy with the assistance of taxpayer funding as a welcome gift to form a Fifth Column capable of manipulating election outcomes and in the event of failure in that regard to proceed with hostile action’s to disrupt every aspect of American lives and act as impediments to the progress of the Trump Administration to Restore the Republic and its prosperity.
John Wayne Punches Commies on UA-cam a scene from the film Big Jim McLain foretold events and methods to be employed against the U.S. albeit in the film on a much smaller scale than what has just occurred in recent Years. The Communist wanted Wayne killed and their lickspittles in Hollywood and the Media did all they could to discredit Him and dismiss the importance and truth of His works.
Well said Brother
nice job Mark!
Mark is the Democratic nominee for OH Senate District 6. That’s my District. I’m planning on voting for his opponent Niraj Antani, but I may consider voting for Mark simply because of his leadership skills and commitment to the Miami Valley. Good speech Mark!
I'm happy your candidate, Niraj Antani, won. I hope he's a Conservative and not another RINO.
I don't understand how anyone in the military can be a Demoncrat. I hope Mark Fogel does not think as the Demoncrats of today think.
@@billwilson5341 He’s a mix of both to say the least. And yea. Most Dems who served or are still actively serving in the Armed Forces are typically Right-of-center or Libertarian-esk Democrats.
@@billwilson5341 the military is the largest socialist institution in the United States
Trust is cycling on a track in a 6 member formation at 5 inches separation at constant speed.
Awesome!
VETERANS,
USE YOUR GI BILL. GO TO COLLEGE. INTERACT. Know the people who live in your country. Understand your people. YOU ARE A WARRIOR. They want to hear what you know. USE YOUR GI BILL. GO! GO! GO!
Most in college are being indoctrinated to loathe the military. Regardless, your comment is good.
Just got my dd214 and I'm starting my first official semester spring 22.
I know he said fighter pilots are the opposite of Maverick, but I know from my own experiences that many pilots are cocky individuals not much different from Mav. I met them, talked to them....and honestly I wouldn’t have them any other way. I want that pilot to be the best and believe he is the best every time he/she flies.
No lie detected. I concur wholeheartedly.
It may come as a surprise to fighter pilots, but most if not all military pilots have debriefs. They also have followers and leaders, etc. He gives a good synopsis of military flying and training in general, but not unique to “fighter pilots”.
AMC will debrief a 5 hr mission in 45 mins. ACC will debrief a 45 min mission in 5 hrs.
This why former jet fighter pilots make the best commercial jet pilots.
I know this isn't related to the talk but what is the name of this song
B2 Pilot has a lot more fire power available
14 April 1994, Iraq no-fly zone, blue-on-blue.
Have the 217th at OTS watch this 😂😂😂
Same as Bridgewater cult ..lol