Good thing is that bjorn is always honest, he doesent care if someone from the manufacturer is in the car or not, he just tell what he feels and thinks and that is so rare nowadays, Tank You!
He can go right ahead and keep complaining about the lack of stalks, right to Elon Musk's face even, because I sure would. It isn't just turn signals either, that stalk also controls the wipers/spray and switches between high and low beam headlights. The shift stalk also does cruise control and autopilot, although I could live without the shift stalk easier since that is a much less near universal layout because there are all kinds of different shifters out there. Everything else looks good, maybe I would even trade in for one in a few years as long as there is a way to bring essential fixed physical controls back.
@@D3kKromb0x "He can go right ahead and keep complaining about the lack of stalks, right to Elon Musk's face even, because I sure would. It isn't just turn signals either, that stalk also controls the wipers/spray and switches between high and low beam headlights. The shift stalk also does cruise control and autopilot, although I could live without the shift stalk easier since that is a much less near universal layout because there are all kinds of different shifters out there. Everything else looks good, maybe I would even trade in for one in a few years as long as there is a way to bring essential fixed physical controls back." Yes. It's a strange decision to remove the stalks completely.
@@D3kKromb0x I read on reddit how someone had to back up quickly because another vehicle in front of him was backing into him. He said he'd never shift to reverse fast enough without stalks. This is a terrible decision and I hope, worst case, some regulators push back. Everything else about the car is amazing, this is a shame.
The only thing you have to look at are the turn signal buttons. Absolutely no problem on normal junctions and roads, but on roundabouts, which are common in Europe, it could be more difficult to get used to. I'm looking forward to the first real tests.
@@LePerlashezOn a small roundabout when taking an exit past 12 o’clock, your steering wheel could feasibly be turned through 180 degrees or more when you come to your exit. Indicating to leave would mean switching focus from the manoeuvre to choosing which is the correct indicator button to press. It’s just not safe.
Yep. It annoys me that some channels / commentators use it as an example of how clever tesla have been to remove a component to save money but theyve added a bunch of other thinsg here much more expensive such as that awkwardly placed rear screen, extra speakers (now 17 .. ridiculous) and this removal is an ergonomic disaster no doubt driven either by American sensibilties (duh, whatsa roundabout?) or Elon Musks ego who obviously knows best about absolutely everything. I doubt there is a single European driver who would welcome this..
Is that where when you held it a certain way the Wi-Fi wouldn’t work. Very much an apple “we tell you what you want just like it and shut up” deal. I personally think changes should only go so far and eliminating physical buttons for touch or the screen is dumb especially since turn signals have been tied to the column for ever pretty much changing them in a way on an object that moves as a wheel does imo is kinda dangerous.
@descendency Oh that's what it was I knew it was some kind of signal was interrupted when you "held it wrong" I never owned that phone so I had no personal experience I can imagine the annoyance that would create though.
Turn signal was spot on. Not sure what they where thinking. And for me personally, if they where going with button, should at least have the left on the left side and the right on the right side. Make it a video game at least haha
I did originally think the same but a normal stalk it up for right down for left. I'm fairly sure you'll get used to this as a button. If not the sexy button company are making a stalk.
that'll still be frustrating and annoying to keep track of when turning a bunch for roundabouts. the removal of stalks is absurd, especially for blinkers.
@@rossadamdixonyeah but when they are on other sides of the steering wheel those buttons are way easier to find than putting them on top of each other And For the stalks it makes sense because you are turning it the way you are going Even currently JDM cars that have indicator in right side goes down is right and up is left. For visualizing the logistics behind it if stalk would be pointing up you would be turning it left to go left or right to go right.
@@aleksisoukkala yea I agree. I haven't used it and I think I would prefer left and right over up and down but I'm willing to try it and see. Worst case put 2 sexy buttons in the back of the wheel left and right or get a stalk put on!
@@rossadamdixonyou can't seriously defend such poor design made ONLY to make Tesla save a buck in production. They are pissing on their customers with stuff like this and you are applauding them for it?
Really sad to see the stalks go. I really hate those touch buttons for the indicator lights. It's actually kind of a deal-breaker for me. I've tried so many times with the new model S but I can never get used to using the indicator lights without looking down first to figure out where the buttons are, and you don't really have time for that while in the middle of a roundabout.
You haven't driven it enough! It's easy once you have more time behind the wheel. I can hit mine every time without looking down in any situation, including tight round abouts.
Same. One major dislike I had with the Model S was the buttons being on the wheel. There's even reports of these turn signal buttons stopped working or weren't responsive. I watched a review on these buttons and this one dude couldn't signal right because the button just wasn't working. Huge step backwards in removing turn signal stalks. Was looking to get a Model 3 in the next year or so, really have no interest now unless they bring back the stalks honestly.
@@dylanmelotti4301 I'm in the same boat. Was hyped about the highland, and considered getting a model 3 as a replacement for my model S instead of a new S. But now that it too has no stalks it's a deal breaker for sure. I just won't spend that much money on a new a car that is going to annoy me every time I drive it.
I've gotten used to it. Part of that is having ridden motorcycles for decades, so very used to using left thumb to select in a similar manner. When I realized there is a little locating ridge between the two buttons it became super easy. Once you get the muscle memory of where that little ridge is, you can select the right button without having to look, or even consciously thinking about it. Roundabouts, it's rare to have to turn the wheel more than 90°, so keep your left hand in place and indicate as needed. It's not as awkward as it sounds but it does take some practice to get used to.
First the oems messed up by using sensors on the steering wheel and now Tesla removes the turn signal sticks. What is wrong with those guys? This is the dumbest idea possible
Sad to see that Bjørn doesn't get the opportunity to drive himself when other channels had the opportunity go for a proper drive on their own 😢 Edit: Bjørn wasn't invited to the press event and therefore only was able to attend the public event. This was mentioned by him in his review video, which was posted later the same day.
Agree! This decision was to make it cheaper to produce with no regards to safety nor the fact that people will hate it and actually stop using the turn signals which makes for a risky trip. But hey, its good for the margins and the bottom line 🤯
I don't know why they still haven't implement auto turn signal yet. It's shouldn't be that hard if the car can see the road and know position of your steering wheel. So you don't have to click or touch any stalk/button, just turn and the car should auto blink in that direction until you finish the turn
Same. Complete deal breaker. Seems like a small change, but I can already begin to imagine how annoying it will be to use turn signals. Kinda frustrating that they thought putting the turn signals on the wheel was a good idea.
@@neganthevegan7138 There's no real reason to have removed the stalks. No matter the direction of the wheel, the stalks will always be in the same place and easy to use. Plus. In the Model S, people have reported that their turn signal buttons have stopped working or started to become less responsive. A guy reviewed the buttons and mentioned how he could no longer signal right because the button just wasn't responsive.
They should implement a rule (similar to the taillights rule) where turn signal controls cannot be mounted on movable components (i.e., steering wheel).
I think it's ok if you keep both hands on the steering wheel while going around corners (unlike this driver). Maybe no-stalk will make drivers better by forcing them to use both hands like they are supposed to.
I own the new S with the buttoned signals. It took about two weeks to get used to it, but I don’t even think of it now. I wish my horn was in the middle though.
Have thought for a while the buttons on the steering wheel that now replace the stalks could be positioned on a redesigned steering column, similar to where paddle shifts are but without any moving parts, you could even drag your finger up or down them in a similar action as using a stalk, thought this would be the place to put it out there as people seem to listen to Bjorn. I am open to new designs it's just that the double tap of the stalk to auto pilot feels so classic Tesla.
thank you Bjoern. Great you tried to do some car testing in this limited setting. The speed bump test was a good hint for further more sophisticated evaluations.
Bjorn, I was told on other videos that the "emergency" PRND you were looking for at 6:00, used only when the main screen fails, have been moved to the front of the headliner between the courtesy lights for driver and passenger.
According to the China marketing material, the emergency "PRND" buttons are now next to the hazard lights button above the center console (e.g. near the center rear view mirror)
Thanks Bjørn for the honest impressions. I agree turn signals are annoying in some situations. The suspension changes sound pretty dramatic. I hope handling wasn’t compromised too much. I love how you notice the little things like touch sensitive dome lights. Cheers from 🇺🇸
When you do the next tests you can try to see if there has been any improvement in the cameras that help parking, or if there is some type of sensor that makes parking closer to what it was when ultrasonic sensors existed.
Finally you got to feel the real FSD in Europe! We can only hope driver is included with every new Tesla (or will they remove it remotely afterwards?)😅
Those button indicators... designed by stubborn pigheadedness. I think we all know which "engineer" is behind those things. I'll be sticking with the Y..
Fine for existing cars, until they remove that from the refreshed Y. I actually woudlnt be surprisd if this is back tracked in a year or two. I absolutely now will not be buying a tesla.
It's just a cost-cutting measure at the expense of safety and usability. Tesla likes to take cost-cutting to the extreme. They've already removed the fog lights and the ultrasonic parking sensors too.
@@Joe-lb8qn Same. Was looking to get a Model 3 in the next year, but my ass won't be getting one until they at least add the stalks as an option to have.
Like really think about it how much money did they save? Probably not much on a car they still make great margins on I’m surprised they are worried about such standard features being cut so save what a few hundred dollars.
Its a solution for a problem that didn’t exist. Also cost savings might be in the few dollar range per car. For me its a dealbreaker. Wanted to upgrade my m3, but def not without stalks. Would easily do without the rear screen but not the stalks
Since I heard about the indicators now being buttons on the steering wheel, I knew at round-a-bouts it would make using them difficult. If the driver has to cross their arms and physically look to see where the indicator button has moved to, then the indicators will simply not be used. Why - no one wants an accident on a round-a-bout, dodging traffic looking for the off road all while trying to fumble with an indicator button that is moving constantly with the steering wheel. And a big question also, how does it cancel.
@@Martinit0it is physically not possible and unsafe to do so on a tight roundabout and people are instructed here during lessons how to pass the steering wheel through your hands. Have you ever driven in Europe?
This shouldn’t be a problem for left side drive countries like Australia. Left turn( first exit) no need to signal exit. Second and third exit, you can cancel with left hand while drive only with left hand.
I really hope they introduce indicator stalks for countries with lots of roundabouts.. im going to need to look down at the wheel find the direction whilst also crossing lanes on a roundabout at the same time, seems unsafe. Any after market company going to make an indicator replacement that communicates over OBD or something? :D
Yeah I thought the same! It seems it is entirely doable with OBD port unless it is encrypted. It would be cool also to have the shifter but guess it would be a liability nightmare
Steering yoke and no control stalks makes more sense with a steer-by-wire setup where steering ratio can be varied both by angle and vehicle speed so that the wheel/yoke need never be turned through more than about 160 degrees for lock-to-lock, and your hands can stay in position without arm twisting. I think Canoo has done something like this. The Messerschmidt cabin scooter may have been the inspiration ...
In the beginning of the video, the driver didn't have to swipe on the screen to put the car in drive, so I'm assuming it has a version of "auto -shift" ... BTW, the "backup" drive gear buttons he was looking for are NOT in the same location as the Model S. Instead, they areb now located above, near the rear view mirror (next to the hazard lights button)
If I ever upgrade to one of these ( not likely ) I will use your saying to find the indicator button when exiting a roundabout...."the left side is the right side, the right side is the wrong side 😂"
2021 Model 3 owner here. Improved suspension, sound proofing, sound system (although mine is still great), range/efficiency increases are all very impressive, but the lack of steering wheel stalks is an absolute deal breaker, I just can't accept that at all, so I'm happy with my current car and won't be upgrading until they bring those back. Hopefully by the time they do that, it'll also have a hatchback opening for the boot/trunk and a ski-opening access to the boot/trunk also.
I was going to replace my 2019 Model S with a new one, but I decided against it because I could never get used to those touch buttons for the indicator lights without looking down every time to figure out where they were. Not safe in roundabouts, and I almost crashed once too because of it. We have tons of roundabouts here. In some places, there are one every 200 meters.. I was considering the new model 3 instead, but now I see that it too has those horrible buttons that keep changing positions depending on the angle of the wheel, so I guess I'll be looking at something other than a Tesla this time :\ I also thought the wiper function was quite tedious in the model 3 compared to the older model S, but this too is even worse now in the new 3 and S.
@@maeguk1It probably won't be too bad if you live in the US. Mostly intersections there. Here in Europe there is a roundabout every 200 meters in some places, so the lack of a stalk for the indicators will be a real pain in the ass.
An awful lot of people are going to hate the indicators being on the steering wheel - It's particularly imporant with this currently being their cheapest model that it should be easy to operate. I'm all for simplifying production but at the end of the day, the cars still have to be safe to operate. Not a fan of swiping on the screen either personally but i guess its something you get used to
Turn signal and Park/Drive features seem to be implemented by product managers who never driven more than home - highway - office parking lot. Try doing a paralel parking in a very tight place with that crazy screen shifter, just give up and search another parking place.
Never thought about how annoying it's going to be trying to parallel park without a gear stalk. Really bugs me how they just went up and removed the stalks like it was a good idea or an upgrade.
@@PaoloSulprizio they must have a redundant system , in case the screen stops working. The gear selection I think it's great like this , not the indicators though.
@@rovermanvi I'm not complaining for the necessary backup physical buttons, but for the fact that, since they were obliged to install physical buttons, why not use a more ergonomic one. Of course more expensive but not so much expenaive like the stalks.
@@PaoloSulprizio yeah I get it , but the goal is to make them completely automatic in the future ( they already suggest the gear you want when you start driving ) , so I understand that they wanted to incorporate on the screen . Still , it's mandatory to have physical alternatives in case of screen failure , and they even hide it more than on the model s/x apparently.
If he puts is hand where they should be (quarter to three, or quarter past nine), the direction buttons are much easier to use than if you out just one hand on top of the wheel.
@@martinnilsson5295 Agree, but that's not a reason that car maker should remove stalks. Turning signal is a way of communication, "i want to go left(right) please pay attention!" => safety issue.
I’ve seen massive pushback on the removal of stalks hopefully they backpedal or make it an option like they did with the yoke. I personally do not like the new wheels I think adding buttons to the wheel kinda defeated the purpose of only have those 2 omnidirectional buttons on the steering wheel to begin with the whole point is minimalist design. But at what point are you just taking away features just because.
That's a dealbreaker for me as well. I never could get used to those buttons in the new model S. They're completely unusable in roundabouts. You can't use them without looking down to figure out where they are first, since they keep changing positions depending on the angle of the wheel, and you just don't have time to take your eyes off the road while in the middle of a roundabout. It all happens within a few seconds. I'm actually surprised that this design is even legal. To me, it just feels dangerous.
Thank you for your video Bjorn and you do the BEST technical videos on UA-cam but what you called "rough" road surface just killed me 😂😂😂 yeah I'm from New Jersey USA and we have ROUGH roads
Indeed. I'm surprised it's even legal. I've tried this several times in the new S and I could never get used to it. It's simply impossible to use the turn signals in a roundabout without looking down to figure out where the buttons are first, and you really don't have time to take your eyes off the road for several seconds while in the middle of a roundabout so you just have to change lanes without signaling instead. Both are unsafe.
I got into my 2021 TM3 LR yesterday to come home from the coffee shop and my screen was black. Using the stalk, I was still able to shift into drive and get going. The screen lit up after about 2 minutes of driving. Not sure what happened there, but what if I hadn't had the stalk to shift into gear. I might have been stuck there. Strange that this car doesn't seem to have the gear shifter buttons on the centre console like I think the S and X have.
They moved the shifter buttons up above the rear view mirror on this new model for emergency use. (On the plastic bar containing the hazard warning light button).
Talk about reinventing the wheel. So sad to see companies destroy user interaction to save a dime so their execs can buy another staycation house. A sophmore engineering student couldve told you that turn signals should remain stationary mechanical interactions as to not confuse the brain's coordination.
Did that car have the Hankook Ion Evo tyres fitted? I have them - all season ones - on my Model 3 and found they are quieter than the previous Hankook tyres on dry roads BUT noisier on wet roads.
I thinks it's stupid and unnecessary to remove the indicating stalk. Gear stalk is less of an issue. If Tesla really has safety as highest priority, they should make manual driving as safe as possible. That would include 'no look' indicating. The stalk removal will force you to look at the steering wheel at the moment you should look around before leaving a roundabout. Very important for safety of cyclists!! Also, you often need to indicate in a turn. For example, I have to turn right into my neighborhood in a left turn. With my hands at 14:45, I'll have to look where the button is at.
@@sunseeker-yb5qtThat's exactly what I think. Rebuttal from Elon will be 'FSD soon, order of magnitude better, blow your mind'. But I want safe manual driving! At least until it's illegal. Also....there a camera in the front bumper. Don't know what it will be used for, but will only work in the dry and clean weather.
@@kaasman78other brands have had cameras there that work in most kinds of weather. Certainly better than not having a camera there when parking the car (which is what I imagine the camera is designed for, now that they have stopped using ultrasonic sensors), since the camera in the windscreen can't see what's in front of the hood. I can't see why Tesla should be any worse, but of course fanboys have claimed for ages that this was the reason why Tesla didn't have one there.
@@kaasman78 i just wonder that the authorities approve the button indicators, but still no good move from Tesla. Tesla obviously just thinks of USA square road maps. So they lose customers in Europe, as we see with Model S and X. Only a few fan boys say yes to every cost saving.
@@cleanupordieTesla is just thickheaded at times. Not putting in a rain sensor was stupid and it took way to long for decent auto wipers. Removing radar sucks. When on normal AP the car slows down when it rains or some cameras get blinded by the sun. It then drives jerky. Removing ultrasonics is stupid as well. And now remove stalks from a mass market car? Which will be terrible for demand. Not wanting to put in cheap and working tech because of a technical development in the future, is just silly. Develop new stuff with camera only, in shadow mode....THEN remove the old stuff. when new stuff is working. There is old stuff that just works. And it works for a reason. Tesla added a normal steering wheel option to S and X because of the stupid yoke. Let's hope they'll learn their lesson on the indicating stalk.
Here in England you are taught to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times. It’s near impossible to indicate in this new Tesla refresh following the driving rules
@@sh0dan2 at least for me I hold the wheel at a quarter to three, even in roundabouts, so I don't move my hands, so my thumb would still be at the same place. Doesn't work for all.
@@ChristianBlueChimp Ah. You meant static paddles, not mounted on the wheel. Could work, but then just keeping the existing stalk would be just as fine.
But yeah I have also been wanting a head up display, since it became clear that Tesla isn't going to provide a instrument cluster for the driver in the model 3's and Y's. Would be so cool with a HUD though! And a proper indicator-stalk too, since they are removing that...
Hopefully you can set that ambient lighting so it turns off while driving? I think it would be nice while you're stationary or getting in and out of the vehicle, but unnecessary and distracting when in motion.
Thx for the review. All of the glass was suppose to be acoustic. Is there a big difference in the front & rear bumpers making it look more aggressive looking? Is it much nicer in person over the current Model 3?
Good thing is that bjorn is always honest, he doesent care if someone from the manufacturer is in the car or not, he just tell what he feels and thinks and that is so rare nowadays, Tank You!
He can go right ahead and keep complaining about the lack of stalks, right to Elon Musk's face even, because I sure would. It isn't just turn signals either, that stalk also controls the wipers/spray and switches between high and low beam headlights. The shift stalk also does cruise control and autopilot, although I could live without the shift stalk easier since that is a much less near universal layout because there are all kinds of different shifters out there. Everything else looks good, maybe I would even trade in for one in a few years as long as there is a way to bring essential fixed physical controls back.
@@D3kKromb0x "He can go right ahead and keep complaining about the lack of stalks, right to Elon Musk's face even, because I sure would. It isn't just turn signals either, that stalk also controls the wipers/spray and switches between high and low beam headlights. The shift stalk also does cruise control and autopilot, although I could live without the shift stalk easier since that is a much less near universal layout because there are all kinds of different shifters out there. Everything else looks good, maybe I would even trade in for one in a few years as long as there is a way to bring essential fixed physical controls back."
Yes. It's a strange decision to remove the stalks completely.
@@madbbb "that's the reason he is a passenger now"
Not likely.
@@yourcrazybearjust like the yoke, hopefully they bring back the stalk
@@D3kKromb0x I read on reddit how someone had to back up quickly because another vehicle in front of him was backing into him. He said he'd never shift to reverse fast enough without stalks. This is a terrible decision and I hope, worst case, some regulators push back. Everything else about the car is amazing, this is a shame.
The only thing you have to look at are the turn signal buttons. Absolutely no problem on normal junctions and roads, but on roundabouts, which are common in Europe, it could be more difficult to get used to.
I'm looking forward to the first real tests.
I don't understand why Tesla vehicles don't automatically activate the turn signals when a route is programmed into the GPS.
@@LionTheKingJokerbecause you have to indicate a lot more besides turning into certain streets. Except if you drive a BMW.
Even in round abouts, the two only tricky situations I can see are the half turn or the exit on the left (or right in the UK)
@@kaasman78 Sure, but mostly it's for indicating turns.
@@LePerlashezOn a small roundabout when taking an exit past 12 o’clock, your steering wheel could feasibly be turned through 180 degrees or more when you come to your exit. Indicating to leave would mean switching focus from the manoeuvre to choosing which is the correct indicator button to press. It’s just not safe.
2:42 Naah, not going to work for me. Unless they bring the conventional indicator controls as an optional feature, this update is a big downgrade
Yep. It annoys me that some channels / commentators use it as an example of how clever tesla have been to remove a component to save money but theyve added a bunch of other thinsg here much more expensive such as that awkwardly placed rear screen, extra speakers (now 17 .. ridiculous) and this removal is an ergonomic disaster no doubt driven either by American sensibilties (duh, whatsa roundabout?) or Elon Musks ego who obviously knows best about absolutely everything. I doubt there is a single European driver who would welcome this..
Seems Sexy buttons is working on stalks....but what a hassle...fooling around with OBD2 ports, just to be able to properly indicate in a safe way. 🥴
@@Joe-lb8qnmaybe those channels are not drivers but just commentators/fans/investors and or other non practical people.
Those turn signals have strong Apple "you're holding your iPhone 4 wrong" vibes
Is that where when you held it a certain way the Wi-Fi wouldn’t work. Very much an apple “we tell you what you want just like it and shut up” deal. I personally think changes should only go so far and eliminating physical buttons for touch or the screen is dumb especially since turn signals have been tied to the column for ever pretty much changing them in a way on an object that moves as a wheel does imo is kinda dangerous.
@@DRAG0N1012 Cellular radios. It could end your call if you held the phone wrong.
@descendency Oh that's what it was I knew it was some kind of signal was interrupted when you "held it wrong" I never owned that phone so I had no personal experience I can imagine the annoyance that would create though.
Hope Marcusbil ordered this with 18-inch wheels so we can get truly amazing 1000 km challenge result.
Turn signal was spot on. Not sure what they where thinking.
And for me personally, if they where going with button, should at least have the left on the left side and the right on the right side.
Make it a video game at least haha
I did originally think the same but a normal stalk it up for right down for left. I'm fairly sure you'll get used to this as a button. If not the sexy button company are making a stalk.
that'll still be frustrating and annoying to keep track of when turning a bunch for roundabouts. the removal of stalks is absurd, especially for blinkers.
@@rossadamdixonyeah but when they are on other sides of the steering wheel those buttons are way easier to find than putting them on top of each other And For the stalks it makes sense because you are turning it the way you are going Even currently JDM cars that have indicator in right side goes down is right and up is left. For visualizing the logistics behind it if stalk would be pointing up you would be turning it left to go left or right to go right.
@@aleksisoukkala yea I agree. I haven't used it and I think I would prefer left and right over up and down but I'm willing to try it and see. Worst case put 2 sexy buttons in the back of the wheel left and right or get a stalk put on!
@@rossadamdixonyou can't seriously defend such poor design made ONLY to make Tesla save a buck in production.
They are pissing on their customers with stuff like this and you are applauding them for it?
Really sad to see the stalks go. I really hate those touch buttons for the indicator lights. It's actually kind of a deal-breaker for me. I've tried so many times with the new model S but I can never get used to using the indicator lights without looking down first to figure out where the buttons are, and you don't really have time for that while in the middle of a roundabout.
I agree. The removal of stalks is a big deal.
You haven't driven it enough! It's easy once you have more time behind the wheel. I can hit mine every time without looking down in any situation, including tight round abouts.
Same. One major dislike I had with the Model S was the buttons being on the wheel. There's even reports of these turn signal buttons stopped working or weren't responsive. I watched a review on these buttons and this one dude couldn't signal right because the button just wasn't working. Huge step backwards in removing turn signal stalks.
Was looking to get a Model 3 in the next year or so, really have no interest now unless they bring back the stalks honestly.
@@dylanmelotti4301 I'm in the same boat. Was hyped about the highland, and considered getting a model 3 as a replacement for my model S instead of a new S. But now that it too has no stalks it's a deal breaker for sure. I just won't spend that much money on a new a car that is going to annoy me every time I drive it.
I've gotten used to it. Part of that is having ridden motorcycles for decades, so very used to using left thumb to select in a similar manner.
When I realized there is a little locating ridge between the two buttons it became super easy. Once you get the muscle memory of where that little ridge is, you can select the right button without having to look, or even consciously thinking about it.
Roundabouts, it's rare to have to turn the wheel more than 90°, so keep your left hand in place and indicate as needed.
It's not as awkward as it sounds but it does take some practice to get used to.
Can't wait for your tests, Bjørn!
Me2! Wonder if driveline is different.
Bjorn,
Make sure you mention about the led light piping on the top dashboard and front side doors is a total KNOCKOFF from Nissan Ariya.
Very good to see the suspension is as promised
First the oems messed up by using sensors on the steering wheel and now Tesla removes the turn signal sticks. What is wrong with those guys? This is the dumbest idea possible
wait till they remove the steering wheel altogether 🤣
At least the haptic feedback is good
@@AmauryJacquotthat's when I won't buy one
@@billhanna2148 at some point, I’m pretty sure we won’t have a choice, they’ll make driving by humans illegal
Yeah bro everyone is moving to buttons like wtf. At least I heard the haptic is nice on this one but it looks like a pain in the ass for roundabouts
Looking good this new Tesla. And as for the turn signals, it's just Tesla's way of increasing sales by attracting BMW customers.
I approve as a BMW driver!
And ford Raptor customers too
So this explains why BMW drivers never use turn signals. Shit looks annoying as hell to do.
I test drove the new i4 sedan over the weekend. I4 is the new benchmark. Hands down!
Sad to see that Bjørn doesn't get the opportunity to drive himself when other channels had the opportunity go for a proper drive on their own 😢
Edit: Bjørn wasn't invited to the press event and therefore only was able to attend the public event. This was mentioned by him in his review video, which was posted later the same day.
Exactly what I thought👍
Politics. Because he tells the truth, even if not praising the car.
sadly it's all about numbers....
Tesla's "PR Team" works only for big name medias😂
Soon no one will be driving anyway 😂
Really concerned with the lack turning signal stalks. However the suspension / sound proofing seems very promising.
Removing the turn signal stalk is the worst idea ever! Look at the way the driver has to use it. In our country we have dozens of roundabouts.
Agree! This decision was to make it cheaper to produce with no regards to safety nor the fact that people will hate it and actually stop using the turn signals which makes for a risky trip.
But hey, its good for the margins and the bottom line 🤯
Even during a Model S test drive I got used to the stalkless signal in a few minutes. Didn‘t miss it at all. Hope it‘s the same for you in practice
I don't know why they still haven't implement auto turn signal yet. It's shouldn't be that hard if the car can see the road and know position of your steering wheel. So you don't have to click or touch any stalk/button, just turn and the car should auto blink in that direction until you finish the turn
@@magnushueeven in roundabouts?
@@mukamuka0maybe because you should signal with 50-100m before executing the turn maneuver?
Absolute no from me in the turn signals. If you can't option traditional sticks, then it's a deal breaker.
I tend to agree. While the rest of the car is great, driving without stalks is a big turnoff.
@@neganthevegan7138cope harder
Same. Complete deal breaker. Seems like a small change, but I can already begin to imagine how annoying it will be to use turn signals. Kinda frustrating that they thought putting the turn signals on the wheel was a good idea.
@@neganthevegan7138 There's no real reason to have removed the stalks. No matter the direction of the wheel, the stalks will always be in the same place and easy to use.
Plus. In the Model S, people have reported that their turn signal buttons have stopped working or started to become less responsive. A guy reviewed the buttons and mentioned how he could no longer signal right because the button just wasn't responsive.
We bought a 2023 recently due to this, so Tesla still wins, but they better give us the option for stalks in the future. The yoke was bad enough.
Deleting the turn stalks seems cost cutting gone too far and dangerous. Great entertaining review as ever.
Tesla desing thinking with autonomous driving L4 in mind
@@PaoloSulprizio Which isn't here yet so they are way too early. Completely agree with @oceanfroggie
@@handsofdoubt31 they are paving the way to push people to use it when it will be here. And Elon probably thinks they are close.
They should implement a rule (similar to the taillights rule) where turn signal controls cannot be mounted on movable components (i.e., steering wheel).
I think it's ok if you keep both hands on the steering wheel while going around corners (unlike this driver). Maybe no-stalk will make drivers better by forcing them to use both hands like they are supposed to.
I hope there will be an option for the old turn signal lever not those buttons
There is a company that offers a retrofit. Would be a must for me
No chance of that ever happening from Tesla. The stalks are gone for good. Probably the same for the Juniper model Y when it comes out.
6:00 Wait, so there’s no backup gear selector in case the screen breaks?
Maybe it will come as a Tesla App (on your phone) update 😅
Yes there is a backup gear button above at the headliner near the flasher.
I own the new S with the buttoned signals. It took about two weeks to get used to it, but I don’t even think of it now. I wish my horn was in the middle though.
Have thought for a while the buttons on the steering wheel that now replace the stalks could be positioned on a redesigned steering column, similar to where paddle shifts are but without any moving parts, you could even drag your finger up or down them in a similar action as using a stalk, thought this would be the place to put it out there as people seem to listen to Bjorn. I am open to new designs it's just that the double tap of the stalk to auto pilot feels so classic Tesla.
Like it. Swipe up for left, down for right.
thank you Bjoern. Great you tried to do some car testing in this limited setting. The speed bump test was a good hint for further more sophisticated evaluations.
Bjorn, I was told on other videos that the "emergency" PRND you were looking for at 6:00, used only when the main screen fails, have been moved to the front of the headliner between the courtesy lights for driver and passenger.
According to the China marketing material, the emergency "PRND" buttons are now next to the hazard lights button above the center console (e.g. near the center rear view mirror)
Thanks Bjørn for the honest impressions. I agree turn signals are annoying in some situations. The suspension changes sound pretty dramatic. I hope handling wasn’t compromised too much. I love how you notice the little things like touch sensitive dome lights. Cheers from 🇺🇸
Bjørn made it his goal to say "ass falt" as much as possible 😂
Thanks for the content. Surprised that the suspension was the big reveal it seems. Awesome
Looking forward to a baby bjørn kick test on that rear screen 😬
Not if it plays the right content 🥳
When you do the next tests you can try to see if there has been any improvement in the cameras that help parking, or if there is some type of sensor that makes parking closer to what it was when ultrasonic sensors existed.
Finally you got to feel the real FSD in Europe! We can only hope driver is included with every new Tesla (or will they remove it remotely afterwards?)😅
Yes, but new FSD is now a subscription, 30k per year.
Those button indicators... designed by stubborn pigheadedness. I think we all know which "engineer" is behind those things. I'll be sticking with the Y..
Fine for existing cars, until they remove that from the refreshed Y. I actually woudlnt be surprisd if this is back tracked in a year or two. I absolutely now will not be buying a tesla.
It's just a cost-cutting measure at the expense of safety and usability. Tesla likes to take cost-cutting to the extreme. They've already removed the fog lights and the ultrasonic parking sensors too.
@@Joe-lb8qn Same. Was looking to get a Model 3 in the next year, but my ass won't be getting one until they at least add the stalks as an option to have.
Removing the turning signal stalks is a saving measure on the cost of the car which effects safety, totally unnecessary.
Like really think about it how much money did they save? Probably not much on a car they still make great margins on I’m surprised they are worried about such standard features being cut so save what a few hundred dollars.
Its a solution for a problem that didn’t exist. Also cost savings might be in the few dollar range per car. For me its a dealbreaker. Wanted to upgrade my m3, but def not without stalks. Would easily do without the rear screen but not the stalks
Just wait as all the other manufacturers copy this.
I also feel the same about the parking sensors. I won’t buy a new car without parking sensors or 360 camera (if no parking sensors)
It’s not an issue. Those buttons are accessible with your left thumb. I think it’s an person’s energy saving measure too
Since I heard about the indicators now being buttons on the steering wheel, I knew at round-a-bouts it would make using them difficult. If the driver has to cross their arms and physically look to see where the indicator button has moved to, then the indicators will simply not be used. Why - no one wants an accident on a round-a-bout, dodging traffic looking for the off road all while trying to fumble with an indicator button that is moving constantly with the steering wheel. And a big question also, how does it cancel.
Signaling while exiting a roundabout is required by law, so if they're not using them, they are breaking the law.
Not a problem if you keep both hands on the wheel like they taught you in driving school.
@@Martinit0it is physically not possible and unsafe to do so on a tight roundabout and people are instructed here during lessons how to pass the steering wheel through your hands. Have you ever driven in Europe?
This shouldn’t be a problem for left side drive countries like Australia. Left turn( first exit) no need to signal exit. Second and third exit, you can cancel with left hand while drive only with left hand.
@@Martinit0 Either you've never driven a roundabout or you have arms made of spaghetti.
Can't wait for you to drive it. No bs just facts from Bjorn
The Ninja Maneuver - the new technique for using turning signal on contemporary Tesla steering wheels
Secondary drive mode selector is apparently above, at the headliner.
This was the best review I’ve seen. He really focused on the suspension which I really liked to see.
Can't wait for the performance variant - already placed my order some weeks ago when it still could be ordered lol
I really hope they introduce indicator stalks for countries with lots of roundabouts.. im going to need to look down at the wheel find the direction whilst also crossing lanes on a roundabout at the same time, seems unsafe. Any after market company going to make an indicator replacement that communicates over OBD or something? :D
Yeah I thought the same! It seems it is entirely doable with OBD port unless it is encrypted. It would be cool also to have the shifter but guess it would be a liability nightmare
Steering yoke and no control stalks makes more sense with a steer-by-wire setup where steering ratio can be varied both by angle and vehicle speed so that the wheel/yoke need never be turned through more than about 160 degrees for lock-to-lock, and your hands can stay in position without arm twisting. I think Canoo has done something like this. The Messerschmidt cabin scooter may have been the inspiration ...
Wow I hope the auto-shift feature comes to 3/Y with the stalks as well. Very cool seeing Highland already.
In the beginning of the video, the driver didn't have to swipe on the screen to put the car in drive, so I'm assuming it has a version of "auto -shift" ... BTW, the "backup" drive gear buttons he was looking for are NOT in the same location as the Model S. Instead, they areb now located above, near the rear view mirror (next to the hazard lights button)
Bjorn, The Netherlands has the best roads in whole of Europe hahaha. It’s just Belgium with the potholes😂
Can't wait for Bjorn to get this in a couple weeks.
If I ever upgrade to one of these ( not likely ) I will use your saying to find the indicator button when exiting a roundabout...."the left side is the right side, the right side is the wrong side 😂"
Gear selector in the ceiling, what a silly place.
I was waiting for this Highland update but the removal of the stalks moved me away to a Volvo EX30. So I'll wait a bit longer now...
2021 Model 3 owner here. Improved suspension, sound proofing, sound system (although mine is still great), range/efficiency increases are all very impressive, but the lack of steering wheel stalks is an absolute deal breaker, I just can't accept that at all, so I'm happy with my current car and won't be upgrading until they bring those back. Hopefully by the time they do that, it'll also have a hatchback opening for the boot/trunk and a ski-opening access to the boot/trunk also.
The door closing sound is very nice. Perhaps worthy of its own remix. 😋😆
THE P R N D is at the overhead console, where the hazard light switch is :)
Gear selector should be next to the hazard light button
The turn signal buttons make sense if they going with a yoke style and it has speed adjust steering.
People say "PRND" buttons are at the top. Side with hazard warning flasher button
We should get an optional Bluetooth shifter that fits in the cupholder to simulate a manual transmission
Hi Bjorn, thanks. Came to your channel from 'Just get a Tesla'. Liked and sub'd.
Hey Bjorn,
The led light piping on the dashboard and side front doors is a total knock off from Nissan Ariya’s
The gear selector switch is located at the top of the reading lights.
I can't wait for the Y!!!!! It will look so dope with that front end.
Bjørn gets the "we don't trust you" drive.... LOL. Others got to drive the car.
this is going to be the car I replace my 2019 LR with. So many improvements compared to my car that it feels like a brand new vehicle.
Same! Will order tomorrow
I was going to replace my 2019 Model S with a new one, but I decided against it because I could never get used to those touch buttons for the indicator lights without looking down every time to figure out where they were. Not safe in roundabouts, and I almost crashed once too because of it. We have tons of roundabouts here. In some places, there are one every 200 meters..
I was considering the new model 3 instead, but now I see that it too has those horrible buttons that keep changing positions depending on the angle of the wheel, so I guess I'll be looking at something other than a Tesla this time :\
I also thought the wiper function was quite tedious in the model 3 compared to the older model S, but this too is even worse now in the new 3 and S.
@@FireWalkMusic I go for a test drive as soon as one will be available here in my country. Just have to test the stalkless driving.
@@maeguk1It probably won't be too bad if you live in the US. Mostly intersections there. Here in Europe there is a roundabout every 200 meters in some places, so the lack of a stalk for the indicators will be a real pain in the ass.
An awful lot of people are going to hate the indicators being on the steering wheel - It's particularly imporant with this currently being their cheapest model that it should be easy to operate. I'm all for simplifying production but at the end of the day, the cars still have to be safe to operate. Not a fan of swiping on the screen either personally but i guess its something you get used to
Imagine having dedicated screen for backseat but still nothing behind steering wheel.
Turn signal and Park/Drive features seem to be implemented by product managers who never driven more than home - highway - office parking lot. Try doing a paralel parking in a very tight place with that crazy screen shifter, just give up and search another parking place.
Never thought about how annoying it's going to be trying to parallel park without a gear stalk. Really bugs me how they just went up and removed the stalks like it was a good idea or an upgrade.
I've been told the physical buttons for gear change are on the roof , near the hazard button.
I don't get the point for not using a more proper "gear" selector, on central console, for example, if they didn't delete the physical buttons
@@PaoloSulprizio they must have a redundant system , in case the screen stops working. The gear selection I think it's great like this , not the indicators though.
@@rovermanvi I'm not complaining for the necessary backup physical buttons, but for the fact that, since they were obliged to install physical buttons, why not use a more ergonomic one. Of course more expensive but not so much expenaive like the stalks.
@@PaoloSulprizio yeah I get it , but the goal is to make them completely automatic in the future ( they already suggest the gear you want when you start driving ) , so I understand that they wanted to incorporate on the screen . Still , it's mandatory to have physical alternatives in case of screen failure , and they even hide it more than on the model s/x apparently.
If he puts is hand where they should be (quarter to three, or quarter past nine), the direction buttons are much easier to use than if you out just one hand on top of the wheel.
Can’t wait for full review,thanks fella 👍😉💪
Prices of X and S have been smashed ! 😱
=more sales! 🎉 = 💵💵💵💵
Yep. Tesla is trying to fix demand issues...
Hey does anybody know the name of the new Hancock tire and does it work on the “old” model 3?
Im waiting for your driving ASMR with this new model 3.
It’s just straight dangerous having a button for a turn signal, people will just stop indicating especially if coming off a roundabout.
Most people stopped years ago and its not about Electric cars.
@@martinnilsson5295 Agree, but that's not a reason that car maker should remove stalks. Turning signal is a way of communication, "i want to go left(right) please pay attention!" => safety issue.
How easy is is to make the U turn compared to the old Model 3? Any improvements there?
I’ve seen massive pushback on the removal of stalks hopefully they backpedal or make it an option like they did with the yoke. I personally do not like the new wheels I think adding buttons to the wheel kinda defeated the purpose of only have those 2 omnidirectional buttons on the steering wheel to begin with the whole point is minimalist design. But at what point are you just taking away features just because.
Completely agree
Oof, I felt that little jab on Belgian roads
Did you hear anything about if the "new" LR does have the acceleration bost feature to unlock ?
I hate the lack of stork, terrible idea. Also think a hud would be good, always surprised they leave that out.
No turn signal stalk? Not for me then.
That's a dealbreaker for me as well. I never could get used to those buttons in the new model S. They're completely unusable in roundabouts. You can't use them without looking down to figure out where they are first, since they keep changing positions depending on the angle of the wheel, and you just don't have time to take your eyes off the road while in the middle of a roundabout. It all happens within a few seconds. I'm actually surprised that this design is even legal. To me, it just feels dangerous.
So which one you are gonna buy
Thank you for your video Bjorn and you do the BEST technical videos on UA-cam but what you called "rough" road surface just killed me 😂😂😂 yeah I'm from New Jersey USA and we have ROUGH roads
No stalks is just plain dumb. Actually makes the car more dangerous imo
worst case, tesla drivers won't use the turn signals, just like BMW drivers 🤣
Indeed. I'm surprised it's even legal. I've tried this several times in the new S and I could never get used to it. It's simply impossible to use the turn signals in a roundabout without looking down to figure out where the buttons are first, and you really don't have time to take your eyes off the road for several seconds while in the middle of a roundabout so you just have to change lanes without signaling instead. Both are unsafe.
@@FireWalkMusicyou can get aftermarket stalks
I got into my 2021 TM3 LR yesterday to come home from the coffee shop and my screen was black. Using the stalk, I was still able to shift into drive and get going. The screen lit up after about 2 minutes of driving. Not sure what happened there, but what if I hadn't had the stalk to shift into gear. I might have been stuck there. Strange that this car doesn't seem to have the gear shifter buttons on the centre console like I think the S and X have.
They moved the shifter buttons up above the rear view mirror on this new model for emergency use. (On the plastic bar containing the hazard warning light button).
@@nettlesoup Interesting. Thanks.
It seems that PRND buttons are up top in the headliner next to the hazards I presume
The new doors sound solid but also like something is loose inside
Talk about reinventing the wheel. So sad to see companies destroy user interaction to save a dime so their execs can buy another staycation house. A sophmore engineering student couldve told you that turn signals should remain stationary mechanical interactions as to not confuse the brain's coordination.
Tesla doesn't let Björn show or drive the model 3? What's going wrong?🤔
Thats a new feature, the new Autopilot where you dont have do drive yourself anymore ;-)
His contact at Tesla hasn't been responding to him. But I'm guessing she could be on leave or something
Other journalists could drive it, saw an Italian video with extensive drive with the journalist all alone in the car
@@WiZe1972 I know. See lot people who present and drive it. But not the most important norwegian Tesla man?
Apparently one journalist went off the designated route so they stopped letting everyone drive themselves.
I was more surprised at the noise level difference when he opened the door and you can hear the folks outside talking.
I was thinking the same thing
Did that car have the Hankook Ion Evo tyres fitted? I have them - all season ones - on my Model 3 and found they are quieter than the previous Hankook tyres on dry roads BUT noisier on wet roads.
No front bumper camera? In the web presentation there is one :(
Maybe needs new SW
What about the emergency arrows ? I hope they will put the same buttons as in the palladium
Thanks Bjorn. Maybe now the Chinese 3rd party companies will make turn signal stalk retrofits for the 3 and for my X
why it so difficult to get the stalks back, i can even pay for it.
I thinks it's stupid and unnecessary to remove the indicating stalk. Gear stalk is less of an issue.
If Tesla really has safety as highest priority, they should make manual driving as safe as possible. That would include 'no look' indicating.
The stalk removal will force you to look at the steering wheel at the moment you should look around before leaving a roundabout. Very important for safety of cyclists!!
Also, you often need to indicate in a turn. For example, I have to turn right into my neighborhood in a left turn. With my hands at 14:45, I'll have to look where the button is at.
You are right, little cost savings overrule safety here.
@@sunseeker-yb5qtThat's exactly what I think. Rebuttal from Elon will be 'FSD soon, order of magnitude better, blow your mind'. But I want safe manual driving! At least until it's illegal.
Also....there a camera in the front bumper. Don't know what it will be used for, but will only work in the dry and clean weather.
@@kaasman78other brands have had cameras there that work in most kinds of weather. Certainly better than not having a camera there when parking the car (which is what I imagine the camera is designed for, now that they have stopped using ultrasonic sensors), since the camera in the windscreen can't see what's in front of the hood. I can't see why Tesla should be any worse, but of course fanboys have claimed for ages that this was the reason why Tesla didn't have one there.
@@kaasman78 i just wonder that the authorities approve the button indicators, but still no good move from Tesla. Tesla obviously just thinks of USA square road maps. So they lose customers in Europe, as we see with Model S and X. Only a few fan boys say yes to every cost saving.
@@cleanupordieTesla is just thickheaded at times. Not putting in a rain sensor was stupid and it took way to long for decent auto wipers.
Removing radar sucks. When on normal AP the car slows down when it rains or some cameras get blinded by the sun. It then drives jerky.
Removing ultrasonics is stupid as well. And now remove stalks from a mass market car? Which will be terrible for demand.
Not wanting to put in cheap and working tech because of a technical development in the future, is just silly. Develop new stuff with camera only, in shadow mode....THEN remove the old stuff. when new stuff is working.
There is old stuff that just works. And it works for a reason. Tesla added a normal steering wheel option to S and X because of the stupid yoke. Let's hope they'll learn their lesson on the indicating stalk.
Here in England you are taught to have both hands on the steering wheel at all times. It’s near impossible to indicate in this new Tesla refresh following the driving rules
Oo my Performance was on Bjørns channel, it just went up in price 😎
If just the turn signals would be places on either side, so left turn indicator on left side and opposite. Would be easier to figure out.
It would still be reversed when the wheel is upside down. So that wouldn't fix the main issue.
@@sh0dan2 at least for me I hold the wheel at a quarter to three, even in roundabouts, so I don't move my hands, so my thumb would still be at the same place. Doesn't work for all.
@@ChristianBlueChimp Ah. You meant static paddles, not mounted on the wheel. Could work, but then just keeping the existing stalk would be just as fine.
No indicator stalks no sale to me. I was going to buy 100% the refresh and this changed my mind. You can keep the car Tesla.
5:58 It's up next to the warning lights button
I would of liked to see tesla add heads up display as part of their refresh, when's the performance refresh going to be annnounced?
At the event I heard some Tesla employee say later this year, but didn't want to share any information about it
"would of" 🤮
But yeah I have also been wanting a head up display, since it became clear that Tesla isn't going to provide a instrument cluster for the driver in the model 3's and Y's.
Would be so cool with a HUD though!
And a proper indicator-stalk too, since they are removing that...
Hopefully you can set that ambient lighting so it turns off while driving? I think it would be nice while you're stationary or getting in and out of the vehicle, but unnecessary and distracting when in motion.
Lol. The driver wearing an AP casually driving the new Model 3. Boss
Thx for the review. All of the glass was suppose to be acoustic. Is there a big difference in the front & rear bumpers making it look more aggressive looking? Is it much nicer in person over the current Model 3?
Wait...
How does one put the car in drive or reverse when the screen goes black???
Hello, does the model have a front camera under the bumper?
Appreciate your objective reviews Bjørn. Just a question. Did you spot a front bumper camera on this one?
Tesla removed all pictures with the front bumper camera on their website.
Maybe it will be added later.
No one does it like björn
"Smooth and Quiet" - is this is the annonymous driver or the Highland? Well- played in getting this test drive! Keep pushing for a loan car! Thanks.