My wife and I were stuck on a highway in BC with two small kids for 18 hours. We were in an f150 and I attempted to conserve fuel but still used about 1/4 of a tank of gas to keep warm. I really stepped up my winter survival kit. Blankets, freeze dried food, a small wood burning stove plus fuel, tea lights for inside the vehicle to assist with some heat. When you travel in remote inhospitable places it’s good to know what your vehicle is capable of, and it’s always good to be prepared.
@ the TransCanada was detoured along our route combined with tons of snow in Kootenay National Park, so many extra transport trucks on the highway with 99% chaining up as required but that 1% managed to strands hundreds of other vehicles and create an insane mess. I’m driving a cybertruck now so I’m thinking I’ll try the same test myself to know what kind of energy loss I can expect.
Of course if you're in a stranded situation, you're hopefully going to try to conserve rather than keeping the car at 68F. I appreciate the video as it's a good worse case scenario.
One of the biggest ways to conserve energy is to adjust the fan speed to "lo" and possibly recirculate. It does not use recirculate to avoid fogging issues, so it takes a lot of energy to have a large amount of volume. If it has to let's say put out 40C air from the vents to stay warm, it will expend the energy to heat air from -20 to +40 which is 60C delta. The amount of useful energy you get into the cabin is then 40-20C = 20C of useful heat out of the 60C delta that it has to heat the air. This means if you use "lo" it will be a lot more efficient as the vent temperature will get hotter because it is heating less air to add the same heat energy to the car. Also, if you adjust it to recirculate, then you get 100% of the useful temperature delta as the starting air temperature is 20C from inside the cabin.
@ Interesting. I will look at the valve angle in service mode next time. maybe i'm just not in a cold enough environment for it to enable. I did not see it on my heat pump vehicle in temperatures down to around freezing.
He just proved that you can't drive a tesla for 12 hours straight. 😂 why is it common for ev to turn of heat? He also proved it will not make 70h + like an ev. If your stranden for 6h and have 40% 🔋 the you're effed. Cuz you need 🔋 to get out of there
one of the biggest benefits of owning an EV which I didn't think about beforehand was being able to heat (and cool) the car without having to run an engine. Defrosting the car before you go out to it is an obvious one, but I do a lot of waiting around for a son doing sporting events and being able to use the car as a base and have it heated or cooled without an engine running is a game-changer. I can sit there, comfortable, watching Netflix, charging a laptop whilst working etc. Brilliant.
It's not exclusive feature of EVs. You clearly haven't heard about Webasto, have you? My parents had that on their old VW in late 90s/early 2000s. Truck drivers use it for decades!
To share my experience if you stuck in a 115 degree summer, I left my MYL at “Keep” at 68F at an out door parking lot, no shade at all, all day under direct sunlight, no cloud. I forgot to turn the “keep” off. I was off to the office to work from 2.p.m until I got back to the car 1:00 a.m. I had 4/10 schedule. that’s when I realized the car been running AC for entire 11 hours. When I left the car it was about 76%. When I came back it was 54%. It was at Las Vegas at the peak of Summer in July. Even at 1.a.m. It was still 105 F. I unintentionally tested the AC consumption . I was pretty satisfied with that result.
@ I also had experience of running my car to 0% at a tiny town where no super chargers 30 miles around. It was Tesla’s navigation, bad luck on the road closure and my inexperience. I realized I learnt the hard way when I thought I am to good to encounter any problem 😁
@@ms1007901 Even when you think you may be good to go, always be prepared for the worst by taking your Tesla’s Mobile Connector with you just in case! :)
Last year with lots of -35ish Celsius and some -40ish Celsius in Northern Sweden, cold garage, my 2014 Model S was the car working just fine. All my gas cars were frozen instead, couldn't use them when it hit -40. The Tesla started and drove as always. 👍 I took photos of the dashboard me driving the Tesla at -38 Celsius.
@@matthiasherfert1342 Very interesting! So many - most - people think that electric cars are simply impossible to use at - 35 Celsius. Still I have a question for you - did you start driving at once or you pre-heated the battery for several time? And - a 2nd question - was your car used in -20-30 C winters for many years - or it was just occasional trip? Because the battery could survive few tests like this, but maybe not 10-20+ times every winter for, say, 10 years.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б 1. I normally never preheated my 2014 model S, also in such very cold temperatures. The car will start and go just fine. Only recently i started heating the car more often, because if long enough before the trip, the regenerating braking will work right away which is not the case with my car without preheating at so low temps. 2. I have lived in such strong winters with that car for four years now. The car has about 510000 km. In 2023 it got its 3rd high voltage battery. The second before 2020 sometime. So roughly 250000km for each of the first two batteries. I don't know what effect these strong winters have.
From my own experience, waiting in the -20 C weather for about 4 hours, parked and watching Netflix. I calculated that it was cheaper to stay in the car after I gave a lift to my son to his activity rather than driving back home, watching Netflix and driving back to get him home again. I was consuming 2% per hour, but mind you, the battery was not cold (I just drove for 30 min after I precondintioned it) and I kept the temp at 18, with warm seat. But I do have a model Y, it's a little bigger than the 3. For reference, driving back home and letting the car get cold for about 3 hours then preheating it again and driving back and forth again would have "costed" me about 20%.
Good thing about EVs is that most will start the day with 80% or even 100% for LFP batteries. Most of gas drivers are nowhere near that level for everyday driving knowing life. Most teenagers usually drive with $20 worth of fuel at any given moment judging by my 17 year daughter
I know a couple of people with EVs who only charge every few days. although with current charging infrastructure you are more likely to be stuck waiting to add fuel in an electric vehicle. If the infrastructure could get to the same charging turnover as a gas station then either is going to be ok as long as you have fuel/electricity.
@@marcuscoquer5958 I wouldn't leave home at these conditions with the tank or the battery below 50%, not even for a 5 miles run. In the winter the tank and the battery have to be full for every long - over 50 miles trip.
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
The -30 and this video has answered a lot of my questions . I am 1.5 hours north of you and drive 1.5 hours North from home every day (round trip) and I’m now seriously thinking about a Tesla! Great info, great videos…. Subscribed!
Southern Ontario here. My wife is in sales and drives 200-250kms every day. We got her a model y long range and it’s been fantastic. She gets a monthly allowance plus mileage which more than cover the car payment and now we have no gas or maintenance. It’s amazing.
@@pho3nix- lol I got rid of my F150 tremor. Ford, where your new truck comes with a rusted frame from the factory. And 48,000kms later the rear end makes a nice grinding noise that the dealer calls normal. Ya get a ford…
One difference to point out is that if you run out of electrons while being stuck, nothing can help you but a tow truck. If you run out of gas while being stuck, you could call a friend and they could simply bring a little bit of gas and get you on your way.
Well, you can bring a portable power bank like a Bluetti/Ecoflow/Anker unit. That’s kind of the equivalent to a “gas can” in this situation. Or you can just bring another EV. Many EVs can charge other EVs just by connecting them together.
You may have missed that the Tesla will shut down using its charge for heating and other functions below 20%, except to keep the battery from freezing. That 20% should get the car to the nearest wall outlet, which may be a farm house much closer than the nearest fuel station.
@@paulgracey4697 About 20 y ago I hade to walk at minus 20 Celsius at night for about 6 km, to get 5 l of gasoline than go back to the car - the driver missed the fuel station, run out of gas. Children in the car. There was an open 24/7 shop - and with an EV he could charge it a bit to get to the charging station.
One factor to consider is that an ice car will use close to the same amount of fuel all the time in idle. Using the infotainment or even using a tablet or laptop will hardly impact the idle consumption. The heat coming out of the vents will always have the temperature of the coolant. With an electric car you can adjust your power usage. You dont have to keep the car at 20 degrees. You wont freeze at 15 or even 10C with a good jacket.
One thing I’m interested in is the difference in heating demand with or without a body in the car. A person puts out ~100w of heat energy. Put 2-3 people in the car and it’s a non-zero impact to the heat load.
Are you saying that if you put one or two people in series you get more than 100 W? I'll have to let the upper AI management know this. We're constructing a pot system for when we take over the Earth and block out the sun. (referencing AI and the matrix)
The Entertainment system draws little power. You absolutely do not need to keep the car at room temperature if you are preparing for a long duration. You wouldn’t keep opening the door. Bjorn Nyland lasted 72 hours in Norway with a model Y.
@@ReinhardSchusternoooo, not even the RTX 4090 draws 500W, which is the most powerful gaming GPU on the market. The AMD APU is a ~45-50W device on its own. APU are a GPU and cpu combined, fyi. I’ve personally only seen people say 200W based on some testing, but I take that with a grain of salt.
Most of the cabin heat loss of course is happening through the thin thermally conductive windows and is exacerbated by the fact that all Tesla models have a large glass roof, where most cars would have a foam and fabric insulated metal roof. To drastically lower heat loss you can use the metalized bubble wrap sheets sold as sun shades for summer use to cover the sunroof and other windows in an emergency. The material effectively weighs nothing so it can be kept in the trunk year round. If you want to get really crazy, adding a layer of it to insulate the underside of the battery will reduce the battery heating/conditioning time by 50%. You may be able to halve idle energy consumption here by utilizing these methods and just turning the heat down to 10-15c.
VERY interesting, I haven't even considered exploring options like these yet. I love this, going to check into asap! I definitely feel the cold air busting its way through the glass roof on those really cold days
Also another thing with people in the car your own body will keep the interior warmer just by being in there. I'm not sure how insane of a difference it would be but I imagine it would have at least registered a difference if you had one or more people in the car as well generating body heat which I think the average human generates like 100W of heat at rest. Obviously not a direct transfer but like a couple people in the car at 200W would be 2.4kWh for that 12 hour period.
That’s something I hadn’t thought of either. Going to buy a set of fitted sunshades thanks. A skirt in windy conditions like on trailers and RV, another good idea.
@@FrozenTesla You need to watch the video from Bjorn Nyland from a few years back where he slept overnight in his old Model S at minus -34C (it hit -40 overnight) and he used all those cabin insulation tricks. The car started up in the morning with no issues and it didn't use that much battery.
Great results! Also taking under consideration that the car was totally empty. According to Cornell university a human at rest produces 105W of heat, therefore, for 4 passengers that would be 420W of heat which would significantly help the car maintain the temperature.
Another awesome test, glad to see you don't use too much of the battery sitting still. So shows the 50% loss of range when driving in the cold is not just to heating the interior, I am sure heating the battery is probably a bigger percentage when driving in -28 C. I enjoyed that test, again it puts more faith in Teslas for me and more interested in buying when I am ready for a new vehicle.
I haven't done a scientific test, but my experience is sub zero temp and going 75+mph on the highway is about 30% loss. Preheat at home and driving at 30-45mph I don't notice any range loss. I think the wind resistance at high speed plus it probably wicks away heat faster is the main culprit. If I preheat, drive 20 miles (30/45mph), let the car sit, then come back I definitely notice the return trip is higher but not drastically so, mostly early on as the battery reheats. That's in my 1Q/2023 model Y AWD Long Range.
Fuel actually used up a lot compare to EV Bjorn in Norway test this years ago when he slept in the Artic circle Gas will use way more over the overnight.
Yeah i think he also used 100% efficient fuel use when converting the kwh to fuel which doesnt happen when its this cold. Though he didnt say under what heat conditions the test for fuel was done so who knows
Great test 👍 but... If stranded, would make sense to keep a survivable temperature like 15degC instead of a toasty 20. That would cut consumption by 13%. On the other hand even if occupants produce body heat, you'd probably loose more heat for ventilation needs. So if you live in areas where you risk getting stranded. Keep an emergency kit in the boot of your car. Shovel, chains, light signal, blanket, emergency heater, biscuits and a container for water/melting snow.
Great test and video. I've slept in my Tesla at 5C and 30C both times i was at a nice 18C in the car and used about 10% overnight. Really not a problem. Hopefully if you thought that there was a chance of a snowstorm you would not let your battery get too low just as you would keep a good tank of gas.
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
At moment unfolding in China abandoned rotting away of hundreds of thousands of lithium EV cars going to endless miles of land filled dumps, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps or fills, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling lithium is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned extreme toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium part of car and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined and then dumped, environmental catastrophic ticking time bomb ( just horrible) please stop this lithium car madness, there is better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car, the future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere!
Interesting and informative test. Indeed, we worry about things like this in Canada! For me I was curious about if we had to squeeze in and sleep in our EV all night during a power failure. Good to know how much it would use. Other moral of this story is never to leave a tank or battery less than half full in cold weather when you're out and about. Stop often and charge or fill up!
I own a model 3 it’s actually amazing for where I live in southern Ontario Canada. Gets down as low as -30 and is all good. Cuts the range down a bit but other that that it has been the best vehicle ever.
This doesn't make any sense ... the exhaust gases in a gas car are around 800 degrees (Celsius) and on a Diesel around 400 ... It's true that the output temperature is not that high but still way over the freezing temperature. In short terms the snow will melt.
@@LS-FR if you are in an ICE and idling for hours on end, the fumes from the exhaust aren't moving away from you. They are also idling in and around the car. The snow buildup could force more into the car. And an idling engine is also damaging it. EV wins in terms of less damage to both you and the car :D
My Jeep has a 24 gallon fuel tank and with it's V8 engine, it will consume 0.4 gallons of gas per hour while idling. So with a full tank it will idle for about 60 hours before the tank is empty. A four cylinder engine should consume about half the amount of fuel compared to my V8, but will also likely have a smaller gas tank.
For sure, worst traffic I've ever slogged through here in Canada was 3-4 hours of bumper to bumper traffic the roads were that bad with that many accidents. Can totally see if it you are doing some late fall camping and get a surprise snow-storm and get stranded for most of a day while you wait for the roads to clear though.
@FrozenTesla I think it is more efficient to put the car into "Camp" mode for this test. It will keep the Heat on and the screen on in the cabin. I don't believe it will use any power for battery conditioning since it is being told it's being parked and not basically in a standby or preheat battery mode. Should be only 1-2%/ hour
Funny thing is, that in a real "emergency" you could just run the heated seats and steering wheel to keep warm. They use almost no battery compared to the heat pump ac-system. And even with it on as you showed, its really no big deal. Most cars (V6 & V8 engines) actually use way more fuel than the 4-cylinder compared to in the vid.
I played it VERY safe and kept my gas number conservative to make sure I wasn't being biased towards EV. In reality any gas vehicle out here, in those temps, would burn way more fuel (I suspect). Also kept it warm because why not! Might do a worst case scenario version soon too
@@Japplesnap As someone who's experienced -40F/C, first thing in the morning I can state that seat heaters are worth their weight in gold at those temps.
@dmunro9076 Seat heaters alone aren't going to do shit at -40 degrees. You'll still freeze to death. You'd need the heat on no matter what at such low temperature.
Great test. I live in northern Norway and here I've driven my MY 2023 in -47 degrees celsius and its impressive how warm it is. No idea how HVAC manages to keep it warm, spite of it actually being physically impossible. It must use the warmer coolant fluid or something.
Thank you for indicating your temperature and that you were able to keep it warm. I live in North West Saskatchewan and we usually hit minus 40 C every winter. I have not yet bought a Tesla but will very soon .
@@barryjsamson I hear from my friends that the older Tesla cars with resistive heater struggle a bit more with the heat when its below -30 c. The power consumption of a heat pump compared to a resistive heater also shows a significant difference.
I think it was Sandy Munro who did a review of the Tesla heat pump system - it is designed to capture heat from any and all sources of heat within the car, along with heat from the outside air. Very interesting!
Great video. I am sitting here complaining about temps around freezing here in the US. You guys up there are insane! Anyway, I was thinking the one advantage I think I and probably a lot of EV drivers would have is we are more likely to be “topped up” as we typically charge at home and my car rarely gets below 70% where I tend to be lazy and only fill our gas car when it gets below a quarter of a tank. I try to be more vigilant in the winter but it really doesn’t get as cold here. Anyway your content has been great if only to keep me from complaining about the cold here in GA. 😂
This doesnt invalidate your test at all, but its important to keep in mind this is a 2024+ Model 3 which had some notable efficiency and other improvements. Older Teslas could be a lot less efficient in these kind of situations. Especially pre 2021 Teslas. Just keep that in mind. Also which Tesla Model 3 versionis this? Is it the smaller LFP battery or the Long Range version? That makes a huge difference in % consumed since 36% on a LFP model (58kwh) is a lot less than 36% on a NMC model (78kwh). Both are approximate battery sizes
LR awd, bigger pack, I thought I clarified that in the video! You're right though. It needs to be super clear with these tests as the differences matter for my content
@FrozenTesla yeah I noticed you mentioned at the end of the video! I should have thoroughly watched it. My comment was mainly for other people viewing the video because someone with an older Model 3 might assume their car also does 3%/hour even though it may actually be much worse. Especially since %/hour will change overtime due to battery degradation and the original battery size of your car
If you have camp mode, the screen, lights, speakers, etc stay on. Keep climate turns off all systems expect AC and optional sentry mode, summon standby, etc
@@eugeneputin1858 I have a heat pump model and it does use external air. Are you referring to the patent on the octovalve? That is referring to mostly just that they can re-use heat from the dehumidification step. They usually don't let the coils go much below freezing as it is hard to defrost and remove the moisture if they do that. If the exterior is -20C, they will target a very low dew point below freezing, and the coils would not be able to achieve that. On my car, it seems to keep using basically all outside air, but I don't have -20C to test in.
Good test, and probably more efficient assuming someone(s) will be stuck generating heat. The frequent opening and closing the door sure didn't help during the test. The thin glass all around is constantly acting against us, a quick verification could involve hovering an exposed hand about 1 cm from the glass in those conditions to note the body heat quickly radiating away. Our ID4 has a thin fabric retractable shade for the glass roof, and while we no longer live in artic conditions the thin fabric has a noticeable insulating effect with temperatures around freezing.
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
I sleep in my model three around 28°F, I have a blowup mattress sometimes I travel and I’ll sleep at a free charger. That being said leaving it on auto makes it worse. Also having the defrost on makes it worse if you take it off auto and leave it on level one and put it at 68 or 70°F and don’t leave the circulation button on put it on auto. I barely use any energycompared to what I watched you do so just keep it on the face only and you’ll can serve a lot more energy that way.
That’s why you shall always keep a couple of warming candles in the glovebox. They will almost keep the temperature in the cabin. To speed up preconditioning the battery set the nav to a supercharger.
As you mentioned, the car seemed cold soaked to start the test, and was less efficient as a result. If you get stranded on a highway, the car will have been in use just prior, unlike your test. And as someone else mentioned, if you are in a survival situation, being comfy at 20° isn’t required, not freezing at say 10 or 12° or 15 at a maximum should drastically extend the battery life. Redoing this test with you having driven the car for at least half an hour in advance, and lowering the temperature would give a better real world use case imho. Still, nicely done.
the heat loss is linear to the temperature difference. 12 instead of 20 at lets average it to -23 is about a 20% difference in energy needed. Also the keep climate function does not warm the battery (other than a tiny bit by proximity to the cabin). Just the cabin. warming the battery itself would have used up 3-5 kwh and then an extra 1 kwh an hour or so.
Awesome video, answered allot of my questions and makes me more confident that an EV is a pretty good idea moving forward. Definitely will use your promo code when purchasing a Tesla!!
Of course your heated seats will also be turned off when there isn’t a bum in them either. The actual efficiency is better in an ev compared to a gas car it’s just that the gas car has the advantage of having a higher energy density stored in gasoline rather than what the batteries can hold
I really enjoy your vids. If I had a Tesla (or other fully-electric vehicle), I've no doubt that I'd geek-out and do all sorts of tests. Please keep concocting unique tests and filming them for us. Cheers!
Great video, just wanted to add that bodies inside the car should help maintain the heat level and hence not require as much from the car itself … or that’s my thinking !
Last two videos are great info for those of us who live in a similar climate. Hope you do a video where you leave it sit outside unplugged for several days in sub -20 celsius so that we can get an idea of of how many days the car can sit in that kind of weather before the battery is drained.
Just bought a Tesla a couple months ago. I haven't had a chance to really test it in the cold yet, but I did experience freezing weather the other day and the biggest battery drain was just starting the car up and hitting the defrost option to get the ice off it. I dropped about 3%, after I started driving though it didn't seem to drop any faster than normal.
@@logitech4873 "at work" and good luck if you can survive outside for 12hrs on a winter night in Canada. Of course we do move around, but the vehicle is left idling while we work outside, and we go back to get some heat. Otherwise, we will get frostbite and need to cut a part of the body every day.
engineering explained underestimated the amount of gasoline used by quite a bit. 1st, no way the engine will stay warm at -28C just idling. The operating temp will fall and the fuel air ratio will increase along with the RPM. My 2.0 direct injection VW uses 1.1 ltr per hour idling according to the fuel meter on a warm engine in mild weather, no AC or heat running. This dropped to 1.5 in cold weather and ran at 4.3 when first started. Great info on cold car battery usage, thanks.
Yes, it turns off media playback when leaving the car. The way to trick it is to put some weight in any of the front seats. Like a heavy backpack. Some 10 should do it.
One factor you didn't account for is that an average adult, even asleep, puts out a minimum of 100w of heat, so two adults is 200-250W. As you weren't in the car during most of the test your test overestimates the heating requirement.
100% correct, so my test is and over less efficient result than if you were stranded in reality. But I will soon be doing a camping in the car video with my wife!! We'll see how the car does on that one
However two adults being sitting in car like that would definitely put some serious load on intertainment on that screen, and it would consume some "saved" energy. Even if you have to get in/out the car, you will spend some more on probable air exchange and locks/lights operation. What's really funny - try to get this data from "regular car". Really, what we all miss that being impossible to get that "jerry can" of energy quickly added to EV when in need. Instrumentally this is a sofisticated management system and on practical side I feel safe living anyone in car in any weather, I can control this environment remotely, that is irreplaceable. Same F150 failed me already in this situation miserably.
FWIW someone in the UK found that a 20yr old VW Golf diesel with a 55 litre tank idled for just over 100 hours. So about 1% per hour. For a car to maintain interior temperature at over 40c above the surroundings I think you Tesla did well.
So by not being in the car I actually made it more difficult to heat, had I been in the car it would have had an easier time. I plan to do a real camping one soon, in the car, so stay tuned for that!
@@FrozenTesla ya you should sleep in the back with a twin mattress and keep it on camp mode. i dont know about preconditioning the battery. i only do that when im about to super charge and it uses a lot of battery. i just keep the heat on. and if this waas a real emergency situaton people probably would have lowered the heat to like 62 to conserve battery
There's also the possibility of bringing a sleeping bag and setting the temperature lower. Something like 15c, 10c if the sleeping bag is good enough. It'll extend the duration you can camp by quite a bit.
That's not too terrible. I guess, kind of a perk of having an EV. It feels wrong to leave your ICE idle for 12 hours unless it's some sort of survival situation.
One thing you didn't mention is that if you are stuck in a blizzard in a gas gar vs an electronic car is that you can get snowed in where you have to shut your car off or you can die from being asphyxiated when the electronic car can be completely covered in snow.
Thank you very much on your time investment in this. This is very practical and useful as result. Answers the most questions and helps to get to know the hardware and be used to EV specifics. Liked the video and waiting for more as usual.
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
@@joabran9011 False. Tesla's recycles all their batteries, because 90% of battery minerals are recoverable. Companies like Redwood, Licycle, and Northvolt are recycling battery minerals too. Redwood expects to make 50% of their batteries from recycling by 2030. The recycling of batteries is well under way, and is the future.
I wouldn't worry to much. I guess depends how far you are from closest charging option with under 1/4 of battery left. Where i live i imagine reaching at least some civilization with 230V output you can try to use would be always option, probably even public charging station.
Most events usually happen while on a road trip and the battery is up to temp. Unlike starting off with a COLD battery. When running errands I pre-condition on shore power and use KEEP mode when out shopping. I see almost no real excessive consumption and the cabin doesn't need to be RE-CONDITIONED between stops. That's wasteful. I'd rather be stuck in an EV with zero nasty exhaust fumes and NO CHANCE the ICE can have some other mechanical issue.
@@JimBronsonTrue, although Teslas specifically have a 16V battery and its lithium ion rather than the usual lead-acid. And since in any EV the 12V/16V battery is continuously charged buy the HV traction battery, they shouldn’t be vulnerable to the failure modes that tend to kill 12V batteries in regular cars. They will still eventually die of old age though, like in any car.
@ My wife and I have Ford EVs, her a Mach-E and me a Lightning. They have a 12V AGM battery, with 35AH, IIRC. You cannot replace the battery in ours with flooded lead acid battery of similar size and capacity because AGMs run at a slightly higher voltage than flooded lead-acid and the system will try to charge them to that higher voltage, thereby greatly reducing the lifespan of the battery. The charging from the high voltage battery is not constant in Ford's design so you can actually run it down if you run the radio all day. Because the doors are all electric you can get yourself locked out of the car if the 12V battery is dead, like a Tesla. Ours feature the same pop off the tow hook trick, which also works on ours like it does on Teslas with a 9V battery or some other source of DC power. I don't know how long Tesla 16V batteries last but it is recommended on the Fords to replace the 12V battery every 36 months, there have been stories on the Mach-E web forums of people going beyond the 36 months and getting locked out shortly thereafter with a dead battery.
@JimBronson // The point is some people use severe cold to point out that electric is inferior to ICE. I've owned 2 semi's and a heavy duty diesel pickup truck. The equivalency is that I've had to pay more close attention and care to my diesel trucks than I have with 2 Model Ys - when it is very cold. I used to get up in the middle of the night to start a generator so I charge my batteries in the big trucks AND to keep the engines warm (engine block heater) enough the OIL would cycle easily in the morning at startup. I'm in Texas but further North in the Midwest and such most big truck operators do not turn off their engines at all during very cold weather. So, again, there's a direct relationship between complaints about EVs in very cold weather and myths that ICE (especially diesel) being superior.
I do travel to cold climate once in a while. Such scenario had played thru my head. Thank you for doing this real world test. Now I know exactly what to expect. 👍
Funny enough it would be a bit more efficient with you in the car. The average person generates 300BTUs of heat. Not much, but a bit of a difference. I camped out with my son at -16°C over night and I was also surprised how efficient it was.
Thank you for setting an EV baseline for such a scenario! What I'am curious about now is: How much electricity does the Tesla consume in the same test with same/similar outside conditions, but everything whilst using your heating, Infotainment etc. very frugalistic, i.e. set HVAC to minimal heat barely keeping you from feeling cold, and like turning down screen brightness and so on in order to preserve as much energy as possible in the battery. This might be useful in cases when you get stranded and decide not to gamble on when the situation somehow gets resolved and you rather prefer to play chicken. Thanks!
But does Engineering Explained's idling calculations for the gas car take into account that you will be heating the cabin to 20 degrees and have heated seats on? I'm pretty sure his idling calculations are just the consumption of the car sitting there doing nothing with the engine turned on. I suspect the idling consumption per hour would be significantly higher given the same heating conditions and freezing temperatures outside.
You do know that gas engines make waste heat - lots of it - right? Heating the car - including what blower speed you are running - is insignificant to fuel use in a gas engine car.
@@dennislyon5412 There are still electrical loads. Assuming exterior lights, heated wheel, heated seats, heated front and/or rear window, heated mirrors.... etc. The electrical draw could be significant on long term fuel consumption, and not accounted for in the EE idling scenario. The defrost AC cycle could also be used, burning more fuel, but if I recall, the compressor may have been locked out on our previous gas vehicles during extremely low temperatures, but not positive. Additionally, assuming the engine wasn't at operating temperature, or failing to maintain operating temperature at idle, there will be more fuel used during this scenario. Cycling the engine to prolong fuel during an emergency could actually have the opposite effect as the engine would rapidly cool between cycles, requiring frequent prolonged warm-up period.
Good to see unbiased review of real world usage keep up the good work Here in the uk it doesn’t normally get as cold but the extreme test was very interesting If you were actually stranded it would’ve interesting to see the usage at say 16 degrees c
Typical Sask/Alberta weather, as Rick said you get both extremes when you live out this way! In my city in Alberta we get warm winds blowing in so it can swap between -25C or +3 in a single afternoon. Hah
What a fun video! Glad you pull the stunt safely. I do EV car camping and I can say, it is a game changer. ICE folks need to find a heat/ac src as running idle is dangerous. EV car campers live the lift. Thx for the video. I enjoyed watching.
From what I've observed, they cycle to stay at a constant warm temp, they were always nice when I got in the car to do check ins! But that could have been because the climate was so stable at 20c that they never cooled down
I have a e-bike that I use for transportation. Since at night it go's down to 25 degrees F. Overnight I keep it in the living room. Not in the garage, its to cold. I was told by a youtuber on maintenance to not let your battery fall below 38 F. I could bring the battery with me in side the house. Like when I'm at work. EVs take a little more work to get uses too.
Yes, it would be a good test, wouldn't it?! It would make a lot of FUDsters look ridiculous, as it's pretty obvious that the Tesla would pass it with flying colors. Not that home charging is not superior to having a homeless vehicle, but that one or max 2 fast-charging sessions a week (or charging at work) will be more than enough to do all the commuting you need to do, plus have the car defrosted and pre-warmed on the coldest of mornings, even if you can't charge at home!
That's my life. Tesla lives outside and I exclusively fast charge. 9°f at night and the only issue would be doors freezing shut. Which happens to any vehicle, regardless of propulsion method. Fortunately for Tesla owners we can simply turn on the heat with the app and soon enough it melts the ice and your good to go. Using scheduled departure automatically heats the cabin and battery so frozen doors is a rare experience.
So, it’s called situation awareness, as you should never ever go anywhere, no matter which type of vehicle you’re driving, without understanding the situation that you’re in, meaning, it’s winter time, that means heavy coats, hats, and boots and gloves, flashlights with extra batteries, water, and other provisions, and you should have planned for these conditions, before the start of winter, by having your car winterized, and before you start on any journey, have the car fully charged, if I’m driving a BEV, and a tank full of gas, if I’m driving an ICE car, and in the case of a BEV, I’d make sure I know how far I need to go, and if you’re driving a Tesla, you can now not only determine where the next SuperCharger station is located, but we can also decide on the state of charge we would like to be at once we reach our destination. So I would make sure my car is fully charged before the start of the trip and to make sure that I continue to charge the car according to the plan schedule, and since I no longer drive an ICE car, I really don’t care about what happens in that situation. Comphrende. Cheers 🥂
thanks for a great test showing what the car is capable of doing. It's amazing how efficient Tesla manage their cars to be. I use keep mode frequently, both winter and summer. When I go to eat something or shopping I always leave it on if the errand is 1 hour or shorter. What it can do at winter you already know. But coming out to a cool car in summertime is a blessing. We all know how how a regular car feels in summertime... Only people from Finland like them because they love sauna. You can use keep mode even if the battery is under 20 %. You just have to start it from the app, because the car don't let you do it in the infotainment system. When you start it from the app it will ask if you really want to start it because of low SOC, just click yes and keep mood kicks in.
Definitely going to be using keep way more now knowing how little it uses in shorter trips out of the car! Can't wait to try the car out in summer, only had in winter!
You always should have emergency blankets in the car (because why not) so then you can turn down the AC and use heated seats for keeping warm, much more energy efficient.
As soon as no one sits on the driver seat when doors are closed, the screen turns off. You can stop it by just tapping the screen right after turning off. I think it just used less power after you stopped opening and closing the doors 2 times an hour
The car uses door activity plus the internal camera to determine occupancy. To trick the car, roll the window down and then lean in to use the screen. You can roll up the window and the screen will stray on
wifi was left on. it's possible your car drained more battery by just uploading data / syncing with Tesla:s servers (esp since you have fsd). Good test regardless but would've been more accurate if it wasn't connected to wifi. keep warm is great to use whenever you're out grabbing dinner, getting groceries etc. it's better to maintain a consistent temp vs having the car fluctuate temps during these stops.
you can trick it by opening the passenger side door and placing a heavy backpack on the passenger seat. buckle it just to be sure and you should be good.
I was in this situation a few years ago with a V6 ICE vehicle at about -30C. Ran it for 20 minutes. Let it set for 20 minutes. Repeat. Radio on the whole time. Easily lasted for about ten hours with surprisingly little fuel used. With your vehicle, I'd consider just using the heated seats and a blanket. And the radio.
Good result, and this is close to a worst-case scenario. In a real ‘stranded’ situation you wouldn’t necessarily leave it at 20° (you could do a few degrees lower, especially if using seat heaters anyway). You’d also have body heat to help (100 watts per person which in an area as small as a car interior would have a measurable impact. It’s also not likely to be -26° in most of the world (Canada and Siberia excepted!)
All excellent points! I allowed for a safe buffer in the interior temp, plus a safe buffer given that most areas of the world the outside temp won't be as cold as for me... And still only 3%/hr! So the outcome is you can easily rely on only using 3%/hr unless you have an EXTREME situation :)
Damn, Mason. Your first video was posted 3 weeks ago, and now you're getting 130k views on a 5 day old video... I don't know if you realize how fucking crazy that is. Most people never get that far, and if they do, it takes them years and you've done it in 3 weeks. It's really a testament to how much of a natural you are at this, and of course, that fact that many people find this interesting. Keep it up man, the sky is the limit
Really appreciate the kindness! Yes, I am so blessed, I never imagined I'd get 100k views on a video at any point! To have this start is incredible. Stay tuned for more content!
My wife and I were stuck on a highway in BC with two small kids for 18 hours. We were in an f150 and I attempted to conserve fuel but still used about 1/4 of a tank of gas to keep warm. I really stepped up my winter survival kit. Blankets, freeze dried food, a small wood burning stove plus fuel, tea lights for inside the vehicle to assist with some heat. When you travel in remote inhospitable places it’s good to know what your vehicle is capable of, and it’s always good to be prepared.
Love this! Glad you made it safely, that sounds like quite the incident to be stuck for that long.
@ the TransCanada was detoured along our route combined with tons of snow in Kootenay National Park, so many extra transport trucks on the highway with 99% chaining up as required but that 1% managed to strands hundreds of other vehicles and create an insane mess. I’m driving a cybertruck now so I’m thinking I’ll try the same test myself to know what kind of energy loss I can expect.
Good to be prepared hmm. Ev only for me. Nice.
Wow! I'd love to see it done in a CT. Side by side with my 3 😁
@ we have a Chinook blowing through Calgary right now. It’s actually above freezing. The deep freeze will return sooner or later.
Of course if you're in a stranded situation, you're hopefully going to try to conserve rather than keeping the car at 68F. I appreciate the video as it's a good worse case scenario.
One of the biggest ways to conserve energy is to adjust the fan speed to "lo" and possibly recirculate. It does not use recirculate to avoid fogging issues, so it takes a lot of energy to have a large amount of volume. If it has to let's say put out 40C air from the vents to stay warm, it will expend the energy to heat air from -20 to +40 which is 60C delta. The amount of useful energy you get into the cabin is then 40-20C = 20C of useful heat out of the 60C delta that it has to heat the air. This means if you use "lo" it will be a lot more efficient as the vent temperature will get hotter because it is heating less air to add the same heat energy to the car. Also, if you adjust it to recirculate, then you get 100% of the useful temperature delta as the starting air temperature is 20C from inside the cabin.
@@ErikMeike once in a while put the recirculate in auto mode so it draws in a bit of fresh air.
@ Interesting. I will look at the valve angle in service mode next time. maybe i'm just not in a cold enough environment for it to enable. I did not see it on my heat pump vehicle in temperatures down to around freezing.
If you are stranded you wouldnt use heated seats/steering or watch netflix.
@@Chris-hw4mqin some EVs the heated seats use less energy than using the heater to keep a person warm.
He just proved that having a Tesla in cold weather isn't as dramatic as some people claim.
Ya know gasheads just gotta make an ev look bad so people dont buy them. Thankfully people are starting to realise they are full of crap
Ya know gasheads just gotta make an ev look bad so people dont buy them. Thankfully people are starting to realise they are full of crap
Shhhh, don't ruin their perception of the world. EV SUCK. End of story.
its way more efficient since they added the thermopump in 2021-2022.
He just proved that you can't drive a tesla for 12 hours straight. 😂 why is it common for ev to turn of heat? He also proved it will not make 70h + like an ev. If your stranden for 6h and have 40% 🔋 the you're effed. Cuz you need 🔋 to get out of there
A person”s body heat will contribute to energy savings.
And even more if you guess you are more people in the car.
Figure about 100 Watts per person.
That's why I always keep a spare child in the trunk for those emergencies. It's the little things that matter.
@@G-flo😂😂😂
@@G-flo REPORTED
one of the biggest benefits of owning an EV which I didn't think about beforehand was being able to heat (and cool) the car without having to run an engine. Defrosting the car before you go out to it is an obvious one, but I do a lot of waiting around for a son doing sporting events and being able to use the car as a base and have it heated or cooled without an engine running is a game-changer. I can sit there, comfortable, watching Netflix, charging a laptop whilst working etc. Brilliant.
Agree. Its fantastic. I like going for a drive , grab a coffee and chill watching the world go by 😎 lol
I hadn't noticed how premium and quiet and smooth it is until I get into an ICE vehicle. It's almost unbelievable!
It's not exclusive feature of EVs. You clearly haven't heard about Webasto, have you? My parents had that on their old VW in late 90s/early 2000s. Truck drivers use it for decades!
@@rogalsiu yep, but they aren't at all common on regular cars and they didn't cool the car in the summertime did they.
That’s true.. the luxury & comfort you feel in EVs is unmatched
To share my experience if you stuck in a 115 degree summer, I left my MYL at “Keep” at 68F at an out door parking lot, no shade at all, all day under direct sunlight, no cloud. I forgot to turn the “keep” off. I was off to the office to work from 2.p.m until I got back to the car 1:00 a.m. I had 4/10 schedule. that’s when I realized the car been running AC for entire 11 hours. When I left the car it was about 76%. When I came back it was 54%. It was at Las Vegas at the peak of Summer in July. Even at 1.a.m. It was still 105 F. I unintentionally tested the AC consumption . I was pretty satisfied with that result.
Awesome accidental test! Lol, I'll probably do similar tests on the super hot summer days. We get well into the 30's (Celcius) in summer here too
@ I also had experience of running my car to 0% at a tiny town where no super chargers 30 miles around. It was Tesla’s navigation, bad luck on the road closure and my inexperience. I realized I learnt the hard way when I thought I am to good to encounter any problem 😁
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Even when you think you may be good to go, always be prepared for the worst by taking your Tesla’s Mobile Connector with you just in case! :)
I am surprised there were no alerts from the car.
@@izsakitt3711 there weren’t. Not sure now.
Living in the arctic I can confirm that my Tesla is the best winter vehicle I've had. Camping in -27c was no problem
Love this!!
Last year with lots of -35ish Celsius and some -40ish Celsius in Northern Sweden, cold garage, my 2014 Model S was the car working just fine. All my gas cars were frozen instead, couldn't use them when it hit -40. The Tesla started and drove as always. 👍 I took photos of the dashboard me driving the Tesla at -38 Celsius.
When I stay at my condo on the dark side of the moon, my Tesla "fires up" everytime!
@@matthiasherfert1342 Very interesting! So many - most - people think that electric cars are simply impossible to use at - 35 Celsius.
Still I have a question for you - did you start driving at once or you pre-heated the battery for several time?
And - a 2nd question - was your car used in -20-30 C winters for many years - or it was just occasional trip? Because the battery could survive few tests like this, but maybe not 10-20+ times every winter for, say, 10 years.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б 1. I normally never preheated my 2014 model S, also in such very cold temperatures. The car will start and go just fine. Only recently i started heating the car more often, because if long enough before the trip, the regenerating braking will work right away which is not the case with my car without preheating at so low temps. 2. I have lived in such strong winters with that car for four years now. The car has about 510000 km. In 2023 it got its 3rd high voltage battery. The second before 2020 sometime. So roughly 250000km for each of the first two batteries. I don't know what effect these strong winters have.
From my own experience, waiting in the -20 C weather for about 4 hours, parked and watching Netflix. I calculated that it was cheaper to stay in the car after I gave a lift to my son to his activity rather than driving back home, watching Netflix and driving back to get him home again. I was consuming 2% per hour, but mind you, the battery was not cold (I just drove for 30 min after I precondintioned it) and I kept the temp at 18, with warm seat. But I do have a model Y, it's a little bigger than the 3.
For reference, driving back home and letting the car get cold for about 3 hours then preheating it again and driving back and forth again would have "costed" me about 20%.
Good thing the Tesla is such a nice play to kill some time!
Good thing about EVs is that most will start the day with 80% or even 100% for LFP batteries. Most of gas drivers are nowhere near that level for everyday driving knowing life. Most teenagers usually drive with $20 worth of fuel at any given moment judging by my 17 year daughter
Exactly!
I know a couple of people with EVs who only charge every few days. although with current charging infrastructure you are more likely to be stuck waiting to add fuel in an electric vehicle.
If the infrastructure could get to the same charging turnover as a gas station then either is going to be ok as long as you have fuel/electricity.
More for beer equation, simple.
@@marcuscoquer5958 I wouldn't leave home at these conditions with the tank or the battery below 50%, not even for a 5 miles run. In the winter the tank and the battery have to be full for every long - over 50 miles trip.
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
The -30 and this video has answered a lot of my questions . I am 1.5 hours north of you and drive 1.5 hours North from home every day (round trip) and I’m now seriously thinking about a Tesla! Great info, great videos…. Subscribed!
Appreciate it! Stay tuned for more!
Southern Ontario here. My wife is in sales and drives 200-250kms every day. We got her a model y long range and it’s been fantastic. She gets a monthly allowance plus mileage which more than cover the car payment and now we have no gas or maintenance. It’s amazing.
Get a Ford instead buddy
@@pho3nix- lol I got rid of my F150 tremor. Ford, where your new truck comes with a rusted frame from the factory. And 48,000kms later the rear end makes a nice grinding noise that the dealer calls normal. Ya get a ford…
One difference to point out is that if you run out of electrons while being stuck, nothing can help you but a tow truck. If you run out of gas while being stuck, you could call a friend and they could simply bring a little bit of gas and get you on your way.
Well, you can bring a portable power bank like a Bluetti/Ecoflow/Anker unit. That’s kind of the equivalent to a “gas can” in this situation.
Or you can just bring another EV. Many EVs can charge other EVs just by connecting them together.
You may have missed that the Tesla will shut down using its charge for heating and other functions below 20%, except to keep the battery from freezing. That 20% should get the car to the nearest wall outlet, which may be a farm house much closer than the nearest fuel station.
@@paulgracey4697 About 20 y ago I hade to walk at minus 20 Celsius at night for about 6 km, to get 5 l of gasoline than go back to the car - the driver missed the fuel station, run out of gas. Children in the car. There was an open 24/7 shop - and with an EV he could charge it a bit to get to the charging station.
I’d like to how his friend is going to get there?
One factor to consider is that an ice car will use close to the same amount of fuel all the time in idle. Using the infotainment or even using a tablet or laptop will hardly impact the idle consumption. The heat coming out of the vents will always have the temperature of the coolant. With an electric car you can adjust your power usage. You dont have to keep the car at 20 degrees. You wont freeze at 15 or even 10C with a good jacket.
One thing I’m interested in is the difference in heating demand with or without a body in the car. A person puts out ~100w of heat energy. Put 2-3 people in the car and it’s a non-zero impact to the heat load.
Also if you're sitting in a heated chair you could turn the heat down.
Are you saying that if you put one or two people in series you get more than 100 W? I'll have to let the upper AI management know this. We're constructing a pot system for when we take over the Earth and block out the sun. (referencing AI and the matrix)
Think of CO2 concentration - you will have to put more cold air to breeze, loosing more energy than body can produce.
The Entertainment system draws little power. You absolutely do not need to keep the car at room temperature if you are preparing for a long duration. You wouldn’t keep opening the door. Bjorn Nyland lasted 72 hours in Norway with a model Y.
Tested overly warm to know that it was capable, going any cooler would yield better result!
The AMD Ryzen Chip can draw up to 500 watts
@@FrozenTeslait would be a much better result if you use only for the roof of reflective cover they are relatively cheap
@@ReinhardSchusterhold it though it normally isn't drawing that much (unless you're gaming)
@@ReinhardSchusternoooo, not even the RTX 4090 draws 500W, which is the most powerful gaming GPU on the market. The AMD APU is a ~45-50W device on its own. APU are a GPU and cpu combined, fyi. I’ve personally only seen people say 200W based on some testing, but I take that with a grain of salt.
I love how this guy wears costco jackets in -25 degree C weather while testing out his tesla ALL NIGHT IN FREEZING COLD CANADA!!! Thumbs up!
You know it!! Can't go wrong with the Costco special!
Most of the cabin heat loss of course is happening through the thin thermally conductive windows and is exacerbated by the fact that all Tesla models have a large glass roof, where most cars would have a foam and fabric insulated metal roof. To drastically lower heat loss you can use the metalized bubble wrap sheets sold as sun shades for summer use to cover the sunroof and other windows in an emergency. The material effectively weighs nothing so it can be kept in the trunk year round. If you want to get really crazy, adding a layer of it to insulate the underside of the battery will reduce the battery heating/conditioning time by 50%. You may be able to halve idle energy consumption here by utilizing these methods and just turning the heat down to 10-15c.
VERY interesting, I haven't even considered exploring options like these yet. I love this, going to check into asap! I definitely feel the cold air busting its way through the glass roof on those really cold days
Also another thing with people in the car your own body will keep the interior warmer just by being in there. I'm not sure how insane of a difference it would be but I imagine it would have at least registered a difference if you had one or more people in the car as well generating body heat which I think the average human generates like 100W of heat at rest. Obviously not a direct transfer but like a couple people in the car at 200W would be 2.4kWh for that 12 hour period.
That’s something I hadn’t thought of either. Going to buy a set of fitted sunshades thanks. A skirt in windy conditions like on trailers and RV, another good idea.
@@FrozenTesla You need to watch the video from Bjorn Nyland from a few years back where he slept overnight in his old Model S at minus -34C (it hit -40 overnight) and he used all those cabin insulation tricks. The car started up in the morning with no issues and it didn't use that much battery.
Ty for the recommend, I will watch tomorrow! I love his vids. That one sounds right up my alley
Great results! Also taking under consideration that the car was totally empty. According to Cornell university a human at rest produces 105W of heat, therefore, for 4 passengers that would be 420W of heat which would significantly help the car maintain the temperature.
Another awesome test, glad to see you don't use too much of the battery sitting still. So shows the 50% loss of range when driving in the cold is not just to heating the interior, I am sure heating the battery is probably a bigger percentage when driving in -28 C. I enjoyed that test, again it puts more faith in Teslas for me and more interested in buying when I am ready for a new vehicle.
Exactly! Good points. More interesting tests coming very soon!
I haven't done a scientific test, but my experience is sub zero temp and going 75+mph on the highway is about 30% loss. Preheat at home and driving at 30-45mph I don't notice any range loss. I think the wind resistance at high speed plus it probably wicks away heat faster is the main culprit. If I preheat, drive 20 miles (30/45mph), let the car sit, then come back I definitely notice the return trip is higher but not drastically so, mostly early on as the battery reheats. That's in my 1Q/2023 model Y AWD Long Range.
You have to put the car into Camp mode to keep the screen on.
Learning that now 🤣 I'm new with this car! I AM planning an actual winter camp video with my wife soon though! Stay tuned
Came to make this comment. As soon as he said “ima put a movie on” I was like “……….without Camp Mode? 🧐🤨”
Fuel actually used up a lot compare to EV
Bjorn in Norway test this years ago when he slept in the Artic circle
Gas will use way more over the overnight.
Yeah i think he also used 100% efficient fuel use when converting the kwh to fuel which doesnt happen when its this cold. Though he didnt say under what heat conditions the test for fuel was done so who knows
Yep! That's because heat pumps are extremely efficient especialy compared to the heat an ICE vehicle produces as a byproduct of combustion.
Great test 👍 but... If stranded, would make sense to keep a survivable temperature like 15degC instead of a toasty 20. That would cut consumption by 13%. On the other hand even if occupants produce body heat, you'd probably loose more heat for ventilation needs.
So if you live in areas where you risk getting stranded. Keep an emergency kit in the boot of your car. Shovel, chains, light signal, blanket, emergency heater, biscuits and a container for water/melting snow.
Great test and video. I've slept in my Tesla at 5C and 30C both times i was at a nice 18C in the car and used about 10% overnight. Really not a problem. Hopefully if you thought that there was a chance of a snowstorm you would not let your battery get too low just as you would keep a good tank of gas.
Exactly!
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
At moment unfolding in China abandoned rotting away of hundreds of thousands of lithium EV cars going to endless miles of land filled dumps, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps or fills, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling lithium is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned extreme toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium part of car and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined and then dumped, environmental catastrophic ticking time bomb ( just horrible) please stop this lithium car madness, there is better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car, the future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere!
@@joabran9011save your nonsense for the tinfoil fools.
@@joabran9011 and here you are commenting using your lithium powered device.
Interesting and informative test. Indeed, we worry about things like this in Canada! For me I was curious about if we had to squeeze in and sleep in our EV all night during a power failure. Good to know how much it would use. Other moral of this story is never to leave a tank or battery less than half full in cold weather when you're out and about. Stop often and charge or fill up!
Always be ready for the worst, leave a buffer if on a road trip and you'll be fine
I own a model 3 it’s actually amazing for where I live in southern Ontario Canada. Gets down as low as -30 and is all good. Cuts the range down a bit but other that that it has been the best vehicle ever.
The biggest killer in situations like this is not the cold but rather carbon monoxide poisoning as the snow builds up around the vehicle
Advantage of electric car.
@@elainebradley8213 Unelss you idle in highway traffic and you are directly in front of some pickup truck or other big engine vechicle
This doesn't make any sense ... the exhaust gases in a gas car are around 800 degrees (Celsius) and on a Diesel around 400 ... It's true that the output temperature is not that high but still way over the freezing temperature.
In short terms the snow will melt.
@LS-FR You're right. I think it's more in the case of a crash that it gets dangerous. If the exhaust is buried deep under the snow.
@@LS-FR if you are in an ICE and idling for hours on end, the fumes from the exhaust aren't moving away from you. They are also idling in and around the car. The snow buildup could force more into the car. And an idling engine is also damaging it. EV wins in terms of less damage to both you and the car :D
My Jeep has a 24 gallon fuel tank and with it's V8 engine, it will consume 0.4 gallons of gas per hour while idling. So with a full tank it will idle for about 60 hours before the tank is empty. A four cylinder engine should consume about half the amount of fuel compared to my V8, but will also likely have a smaller gas tank.
One of the BEST test i've seen !!! Love the channel !
Definitely addresses the geographical challenges that Canadians are faced with for EV's
Interesting test! No one plans to get stuck for 12hrs, but… you never know
For sure, worst traffic I've ever slogged through here in Canada was 3-4 hours of bumper to bumper traffic the roads were that bad with that many accidents. Can totally see if it you are doing some late fall camping and get a surprise snow-storm and get stranded for most of a day while you wait for the roads to clear though.
@FrozenTesla I think it is more efficient to put the car into "Camp" mode for this test. It will keep the Heat on and the screen on in the cabin. I don't believe it will use any power for battery conditioning since it is being told it's being parked and not basically in a standby or preheat battery mode. Should be only 1-2%/ hour
I will be testing soon!! But actually camping
Funny thing is, that in a real "emergency" you could just run the heated seats and steering wheel to keep warm. They use almost no battery compared to the heat pump ac-system. And even with it on as you showed, its really no big deal. Most cars (V6 & V8 engines) actually use way more fuel than the 4-cylinder compared to in the vid.
I played it VERY safe and kept my gas number conservative to make sure I wasn't being biased towards EV. In reality any gas vehicle out here, in those temps, would burn way more fuel (I suspect). Also kept it warm because why not! Might do a worst case scenario version soon too
@@FrozenTesla Yeah, they'll burn more fuel and maybe allow carbon monoxide into the cabin... :(
In really cold temps like this, seat heaters aren't going to be enough to keep you warm.
@@Japplesnap As someone who's experienced -40F/C, first thing in the morning I can state that seat heaters are worth their weight in gold at those temps.
@dmunro9076 Seat heaters alone aren't going to do shit at -40 degrees. You'll still freeze to death. You'd need the heat on no matter what at such low temperature.
Great test. I live in northern Norway and here I've driven my MY 2023 in -47 degrees celsius and its impressive how warm it is. No idea how HVAC manages to keep it warm, spite of it actually being physically impossible. It must use the warmer coolant fluid or something.
Thank you for indicating your temperature and that you were able to keep it warm. I live in North West Saskatchewan and we usually hit minus 40 C every winter. I have not yet bought a Tesla but will very soon .
@@barryjsamson I hear from my friends that the older Tesla cars with resistive heater struggle a bit more with the heat when its below -30 c. The power consumption of a heat pump compared to a resistive heater also shows a significant difference.
I plan to do more tests if we get some -35c days so you can see what the experience will be like!
I think it was Sandy Munro who did a review of the Tesla heat pump system - it is designed to capture heat from any and all sources of heat within the car, along with heat from the outside air. Very interesting!
@ I read about the octovalve system. Its very interesting indeed!
Fantastic test! Thanks for doing this! Good information.
Great video. I am sitting here complaining about temps around freezing here in the US. You guys up there are insane!
Anyway, I was thinking the one advantage I think I and probably a lot of EV drivers would have is we are more likely to be “topped up” as we typically charge at home and my car rarely gets below 70% where I tend to be lazy and only fill our gas car when it gets below a quarter of a tank. I try to be more vigilant in the winter but it really doesn’t get as cold here.
Anyway your content has been great if only to keep me from complaining about the cold here in GA. 😂
This doesnt invalidate your test at all, but its important to keep in mind this is a 2024+ Model 3 which had some notable efficiency and other improvements. Older Teslas could be a lot less efficient in these kind of situations. Especially pre 2021 Teslas. Just keep that in mind.
Also which Tesla Model 3 versionis this? Is it the smaller LFP battery or the Long Range version? That makes a huge difference in % consumed since 36% on a LFP model (58kwh) is a lot less than 36% on a NMC model (78kwh). Both are approximate battery sizes
LR awd, bigger pack, I thought I clarified that in the video! You're right though. It needs to be super clear with these tests as the differences matter for my content
@FrozenTesla yeah I noticed you mentioned at the end of the video! I should have thoroughly watched it. My comment was mainly for other people viewing the video because someone with an older Model 3 might assume their car also does 3%/hour even though it may actually be much worse. Especially since %/hour will change overtime due to battery degradation and the original battery size of your car
@ayushmalpeddi2793 definitely going to prioritize putting full vehicle details early into the vid!
If you have camp mode, the screen, lights, speakers, etc stay on. Keep climate turns off all systems expect AC and optional sentry mode, summon standby, etc
Doing a real camp soon!
@@FrozenTesla try one with the car set to low fan speed, recirculate, and maybe ac off. I think that's the highest efficiency setting.
@@ErikMeike This wouldve been true for pre heat pump models. It recirculates the heat back into the cabin now while keeping ac on.
@@eugeneputin1858 I have a heat pump model and it does use external air. Are you referring to the patent on the octovalve? That is referring to mostly just that they can re-use heat from the dehumidification step. They usually don't let the coils go much below freezing as it is hard to defrost and remove the moisture if they do that. If the exterior is -20C, they will target a very low dew point below freezing, and the coils would not be able to achieve that. On my car, it seems to keep using basically all outside air, but I don't have -20C to test in.
@ oh that’s a very interesting point. I think you are 100% correct.
Very well done video! Thanks for taking the time and care to create and share it!
Glad it was helpful! Stay tuned for many more tests 😊
Good test, and probably more efficient assuming someone(s) will be stuck generating heat. The frequent opening and closing the door sure didn't help during the test. The thin glass all around is constantly acting against us, a quick verification could involve hovering an exposed hand about 1 cm from the glass in those conditions to note the body heat quickly radiating away. Our ID4 has a thin fabric retractable shade for the glass roof, and while we no longer live in artic conditions the thin fabric has a noticeable insulating effect with temperatures around freezing.
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
I sleep in my model three around 28°F, I have a blowup mattress sometimes I travel and I’ll sleep at a free charger. That being said leaving it on auto makes it worse. Also having the defrost on makes it worse if you take it off auto and leave it on level one and put it at 68 or 70°F and don’t leave the circulation button on put it on auto. I barely use any energycompared to what I watched you do so just keep it on the face only and you’ll can serve a lot more energy that way.
Tesla did a software update where if you open the app it won’t use any power unless you press a command
That’s why you shall always keep a couple of warming candles in the glovebox. They will almost keep the temperature in the cabin. To speed up preconditioning the battery set the nav to a supercharger.
As you mentioned, the car seemed cold soaked to start the test, and was less efficient as a result.
If you get stranded on a highway, the car will have been in use just prior, unlike your test.
And as someone else mentioned, if you are in a survival situation, being comfy at 20° isn’t required, not freezing at say 10 or 12° or 15 at a maximum should drastically extend the battery life.
Redoing this test with you having driven the car for at least half an hour in advance, and lowering the temperature would give a better real world use case imho.
Still, nicely done.
the heat loss is linear to the temperature difference. 12 instead of 20 at lets average it to -23 is about a 20% difference in energy needed.
Also the keep climate function does not warm the battery (other than a tiny bit by proximity to the cabin). Just the cabin. warming the battery itself would have used up 3-5 kwh and then an extra 1 kwh an hour or so.
I agree, that'd be quite a different test but possibly more realistic. Might have to do that!!
Awesome video, answered allot of my questions and makes me more confident that an EV is a pretty good idea moving forward. Definitely will use your promo code when purchasing a Tesla!!
Appreciate the kindness! And will appreciate if you use my code too 😊 stay tuned for more!
🤯🥶I Love your Videos Thank You for posting
Appreciate the kindness!
This was a great video and really shows what the car is capable of. 10 percent in 3 hours is nothing.
Of course your heated seats will also be turned off when there isn’t a bum in them either. The actual efficiency is better in an ev compared to a gas car it’s just that the gas car has the advantage of having a higher energy density stored in gasoline rather than what the batteries can hold
I really enjoy your vids. If I had a Tesla (or other fully-electric vehicle), I've no doubt that I'd geek-out and do all sorts of tests. Please keep concocting unique tests and filming them for us. Cheers!
Cheers!! I plan to!!
Great video, just wanted to add that bodies inside the car should help maintain the heat level and hence not require as much from the car itself … or that’s my thinking !
Correct! So expect better efficiency with people in the car the entire time
Last two videos are great info for those of us who live in a similar climate. Hope you do a video where you leave it sit outside unplugged for several days in sub -20 celsius so that we can get an idea of of how many days the car can sit in that kind of weather before the battery is drained.
I like the idea! Going to be doing lots more cold weather tests very soon
The "keep" function is maybe my favorite feature on the car.
For some reason I wasn't aware of this feature! I might start using it now. :)
sooo good if you have to run into a shop quickly in the cold. Get back into a perfect climate!
Just bought a Tesla a couple months ago. I haven't had a chance to really test it in the cold yet, but I did experience freezing weather the other day and the biggest battery drain was just starting the car up and hitting the defrost option to get the ice off it. I dropped about 3%, after I started driving though it didn't seem to drop any faster than normal.
At work, we idle F150 all night for heating which takes 1/4 tanks or about 25L. Compared to that, it's awesome saving
what's the average hours they are left idling?
@AlexanderAddams 11~12hrs
Oh yikes that's a crazy yearly spend I'm sure!
Why do you do that? Isn't that illegal?
@@logitech4873 "at work" and good luck if you can survive outside for 12hrs on a winter night in Canada. Of course we do move around, but the vehicle is left idling while we work outside, and we go back to get some heat. Otherwise, we will get frostbite and need to cut a part of the body every day.
engineering explained underestimated the amount of gasoline used by quite a bit. 1st, no way the engine will stay warm at -28C just idling. The operating temp will fall and the fuel air ratio will increase along with the RPM. My 2.0 direct injection VW uses 1.1 ltr per hour idling according to the fuel meter on a warm engine in mild weather, no AC or heat running. This dropped to 1.5 in cold weather and ran at 4.3 when first started. Great info on cold car battery usage, thanks.
I kept it safe using a very conservative number, didn't want to look biased towards Ev. I think I was too conservative, haha
8:52 camp mode would have worked to keep the movie on
Will be doing a camp mode test soon, and actually camping in it!
Yes, it turns off media playback when leaving the car. The way to trick it is to put some weight in any of the front seats. Like a heavy backpack. Some 10 should do it.
One factor you didn't account for is that an average adult, even asleep, puts out a minimum of 100w of heat, so two adults is 200-250W. As you weren't in the car during most of the test your test overestimates the heating requirement.
100% correct, so my test is and over less efficient result than if you were stranded in reality. But I will soon be doing a camping in the car video with my wife!! We'll see how the car does on that one
However two adults being sitting in car like that would definitely put some serious load on intertainment on that screen, and it would consume some "saved" energy. Even if you have to get in/out the car, you will spend some more on probable air exchange and locks/lights operation. What's really funny - try to get this data from "regular car". Really, what we all miss that being impossible to get that "jerry can" of energy quickly added to EV when in need. Instrumentally this is a sofisticated management system and on practical side I feel safe living anyone in car in any weather, I can control this environment remotely, that is irreplaceable. Same F150 failed me already in this situation miserably.
FWIW someone in the UK found that a 20yr old VW Golf diesel with a 55 litre tank idled for just over 100 hours. So about 1% per hour. For a car to maintain interior temperature at over 40c above the surroundings I think you Tesla did well.
It would be interesting to see the car from outside with thermal camera.
Agreed, maybe I should invest in one
3% per hour...glad to hear.
Def less if not as cold
You should be in the car during the test, because each person generates 100W of heat in avg.
So by not being in the car I actually made it more difficult to heat, had I been in the car it would have had an easier time. I plan to do a real camping one soon, in the car, so stay tuned for that!
@@FrozenTesla ya you should sleep in the back with a twin mattress and keep it on camp mode. i dont know about preconditioning the battery. i only do that when im about to super charge and it uses a lot of battery. i just keep the heat on. and if this waas a real emergency situaton people probably would have lowered the heat to like 62 to conserve battery
There's also the possibility of bringing a sleeping bag and setting the temperature lower. Something like 15c, 10c if the sleeping bag is good enough. It'll extend the duration you can camp by quite a bit.
Oh I'm testing that soon! Camp mode, actual campout. Gonna be epic!
That's not too terrible. I guess, kind of a perk of having an EV. It feels wrong to leave your ICE idle for 12 hours unless it's some sort of survival situation.
One thing you didn't mention is that if you are stuck in a blizzard in a gas gar vs an electronic car is that you can get snowed in where you have to shut your car off or you can die from being asphyxiated when the electronic car can be completely covered in snow.
Awesome video, so helpful
Was wondering about that exact scenario so thank you very much.
Try camp mode
Am doing an actual winter camp soon 😊
Thank you very much on your time investment in this. This is very practical and useful as result. Answers the most questions and helps to get to know the hardware and be used to EV specifics. Liked the video and waiting for more as usual.
Appreciate it! Definitely more coming soon 😊
My wife uses keep all the time in the Winter. Even if she has an 1.5 hr appointment with the doctor.
I do that too. It's nice to come back to warm car, also there is no problem with regen and no need to clear snow buildup.
Good riddance, lithium is a very toxic element metal for the environment, not many countries want to mine it, 98% of lithium is not recycled and goes in to land dumps, it is cheaper to mine this toxic element than to recyle it, recycling it is very dangerous and costly, the huge amount of lithium used to make just one lithium car is not sustainable for all cars, it takes 1000 gallons of clean water turned toxic just to mine or build one lithium car, one, this is just lithium and not including cobalt which is another of many other real toxic element causing air pollution and much worse is toxic water and ocean pollution when mined ( just horrible) better solution, hydrogen fuel cell car future, due to the heavy toxins and pollution in mining lithium, when a lithium car is still in the company assembly line it has already polluted more than a hydrogen fuel cell car that has been on the road for more than 125000 miles! the new fuel cell engines are truly remarkable, safe and getting better by the moment , secret about hydrogen fuel cell cars is that each car actually cleans the air as it runs due to it`s clean watered electrolysis when released onto the atmosphere.
@@joabran9011 False. Tesla's recycles all their batteries, because 90% of battery minerals are recoverable. Companies like Redwood, Licycle, and Northvolt are recycling battery minerals too. Redwood expects to make 50% of their batteries from recycling by 2030. The recycling of batteries is well under way, and is the future.
I wouldn't worry to much. I guess depends how far you are from closest charging option with under 1/4 of battery left. Where i live i imagine reaching at least some civilization with 230V output you can try to use would be always option, probably even public charging station.
Most events usually happen while on a road trip and the battery is up to temp. Unlike starting off with a COLD battery. When running errands I pre-condition on shore power and use KEEP mode when out shopping. I see almost no real excessive consumption and the cabin doesn't need to be RE-CONDITIONED between stops. That's wasteful. I'd rather be stuck in an EV with zero nasty exhaust fumes and NO CHANCE the ICE can have some other mechanical issue.
I live in North Dakota and I love my 25 model 3s heater. It has no problems at all in -24f temps.
Exactly! Warm no matter how bad it gets outside. And always warm when you get in it too
Great video
Just for your comfort you could have used Tessie and keeping track of interior temp, battery temp, battery usage etc.
Left unsaid: ICE vehicle batteries especally big diesels are probably WAY more sensitive to cold than EV.
This is a false equivalency, because most EVs have a 12v battery that is separate from the high voltage/traction battery.
@@JimBronsonTrue, although Teslas specifically have a 16V battery and its lithium ion rather than the usual lead-acid.
And since in any EV the 12V/16V battery is continuously charged buy the HV traction battery, they shouldn’t be vulnerable to the failure modes that tend to kill 12V batteries in regular cars.
They will still eventually die of old age though, like in any car.
@ My wife and I have Ford EVs, her a Mach-E and me a Lightning. They have a 12V AGM battery, with 35AH, IIRC.
You cannot replace the battery in ours with flooded lead acid battery of similar size and capacity because AGMs run at a slightly higher voltage than flooded lead-acid and the system will try to charge them to that higher voltage, thereby greatly reducing the lifespan of the battery.
The charging from the high voltage battery is not constant in Ford's design so you can actually run it down if you run the radio all day. Because the doors are all electric you can get yourself locked out of the car if the 12V battery is dead, like a Tesla. Ours feature the same pop off the tow hook trick, which also works on ours like it does on Teslas with a 9V battery or some other source of DC power.
I don't know how long Tesla 16V batteries last but it is recommended on the Fords to replace the 12V battery every 36 months, there have been stories on the Mach-E web forums of people going beyond the 36 months and getting locked out shortly thereafter with a dead battery.
@JimBronson // The point is some people use severe cold to point out that electric is inferior to ICE. I've owned 2 semi's and a heavy duty diesel pickup truck. The equivalency is that I've had to pay more close attention and care to my diesel trucks than I have with 2 Model Ys - when it is very cold. I used to get up in the middle of the night to start a generator so I charge my batteries in the big trucks AND to keep the engines warm (engine block heater) enough the OIL would cycle easily in the morning at startup. I'm in Texas but further North in the Midwest and such most big truck operators do not turn off their engines at all during very cold weather. So, again, there's a direct relationship between complaints about EVs in very cold weather and myths that ICE (especially diesel) being superior.
I do travel to cold climate once in a while. Such scenario had played thru my head. Thank you for doing this real world test. Now I know exactly what to expect. 👍
Exactly what I set out to do! Thanks for watching
Funny enough it would be a bit more efficient with you in the car. The average person generates 300BTUs of heat. Not much, but a bit of a difference.
I camped out with my son at -16°C over night and I was also surprised how efficient it was.
Thank you for setting an EV baseline for such a scenario!
What I'am curious about now is: How much electricity does the Tesla consume in the same test with same/similar outside conditions, but everything whilst using your heating, Infotainment etc. very frugalistic, i.e. set HVAC to minimal heat barely keeping you from feeling cold, and like turning down screen brightness and so on in order to preserve as much energy as possible in the battery.
This might be useful in cases when you get stranded and decide not to gamble on when the situation somehow gets resolved and you rather prefer to play chicken.
Thanks!
I like the idea and think I'll do it soon. Survival longevity test 👍 stay tuned
@FrozenTesla Thanks a lot for the effort!
But does Engineering Explained's idling calculations for the gas car take into account that you will be heating the cabin to 20 degrees and have heated seats on? I'm pretty sure his idling calculations are just the consumption of the car sitting there doing nothing with the engine turned on. I suspect the idling consumption per hour would be significantly higher given the same heating conditions and freezing temperatures outside.
☝️ this
You do know that gas engines make waste heat - lots of it - right? Heating the car - including what blower speed you are running - is insignificant to fuel use in a gas engine car.
Agree. And it was based on a tiny 1.5L engine. But even then the Tesla crushed it. Imagine idling a v8 all night!
@@dennislyon5412
There are still electrical loads. Assuming exterior lights, heated wheel, heated seats, heated front and/or rear window, heated mirrors.... etc. The electrical draw could be significant on long term fuel consumption, and not accounted for in the EE idling scenario. The defrost AC cycle could also be used, burning more fuel, but if I recall, the compressor may have been locked out on our previous gas vehicles during extremely low temperatures, but not positive.
Additionally, assuming the engine wasn't at operating temperature, or failing to maintain operating temperature at idle, there will be more fuel used during this scenario. Cycling the engine to prolong fuel during an emergency could actually have the opposite effect as the engine would rapidly cool between cycles, requiring frequent prolonged warm-up period.
Good to see unbiased review of real world usage keep up the good work Here in the uk it doesn’t normally get as cold but the extreme test was very interesting If you were actually stranded it would’ve interesting to see the usage at say 16 degrees c
How is it unbiased? It is clearly a review from an EV fan. Prizing the EV even if it is obviously a pain in your back, especially in cold climate.
I agree I think I should do testing at more realistic temps too lol and compare how much more efficient it is
Warman? They should have called it Coldan.
Haha good one 😆. We also get +40 in summer in Warman lol. -40c to +40c 😳
Typical Sask/Alberta weather, as Rick said you get both extremes when you live out this way! In my city in Alberta we get warm winds blowing in so it can swap between -25C or +3 in a single afternoon. Hah
What a fun video! Glad you pull the stunt safely. I do EV car camping and I can say, it is a game changer. ICE folks need to find a heat/ac src as running idle is dangerous. EV car campers live the lift. Thx for the video. I enjoyed watching.
Appreciate it! Stay tuned for more! I plan to actually camp in it soon, in the cold!
“-21c, it’s not that extreme” lmao
For us Canadians, that's almost t-shirt weather.
-30°C - -40°C, that’s when it gets cold!
Hahahaha, it's cold, not denying that... But it isn't extreme, I stand by that 🤣
Exactly! -30 is no joke
That was an incredible test - thank you!
if the seats are on auto and nobody is in the seat, then they will not turn on. at least that's what I know.
From what I've observed, they cycle to stay at a constant warm temp, they were always nice when I got in the car to do check ins! But that could have been because the climate was so stable at 20c that they never cooled down
I have a e-bike that I use for transportation. Since at night it go's down to 25 degrees F. Overnight I keep it in the living room. Not in the garage, its to cold. I was told by a youtuber on maintenance to not let your battery fall below 38 F. I could bring the battery with me in side the house. Like when I'm at work. EVs take a little more work to get uses too.
why don't you pretend you are a non-home owner with outdoor parking for a month of cold spells and only use fast charging
Yes, it would be a good test, wouldn't it?! It would make a lot of FUDsters look ridiculous, as it's pretty obvious that the Tesla would pass it with flying colors. Not that home charging is not superior to having a homeless vehicle, but that one or max 2 fast-charging sessions a week (or charging at work) will be more than enough to do all the commuting you need to do, plus have the car defrosted and pre-warmed on the coldest of mornings, even if you can't charge at home!
If only I thought anyone would care about that. I’m doing that living out of a hotel for 3 weeks. I guess I should have started filming it.
That's my life. Tesla lives outside and I exclusively fast charge. 9°f at night and the only issue would be doors freezing shut. Which happens to any vehicle, regardless of propulsion method. Fortunately for Tesla owners we can simply turn on the heat with the app and soon enough it melts the ice and your good to go. Using scheduled departure automatically heats the cabin and battery so frozen doors is a rare experience.
Doing a crazy cold unplugged outside test next video next Tuesday!
Doing a crazy cold outdoor overnight unplugged test video next Tues! Stay tuned
So, it’s called situation awareness, as you should never ever go anywhere, no matter which type of vehicle you’re driving, without understanding the situation that you’re in, meaning, it’s winter time, that means heavy coats, hats, and boots and gloves, flashlights with extra batteries, water, and other provisions, and you should have planned for these conditions, before the start of winter, by having your car winterized, and before you start on any journey, have the car fully charged, if I’m driving a BEV, and a tank full of gas, if I’m driving an ICE car, and in the case of a BEV, I’d make sure I know how far I need to go, and if you’re driving a Tesla, you can now not only determine where the next SuperCharger station is located, but we can also decide on the state of charge we would like to be at once we reach our destination.
So I would make sure my car is fully charged before the start of the trip and to make sure that I continue to charge the car according to the plan schedule, and since I no longer drive an ICE car, I really don’t care about what happens in that situation. Comphrende. Cheers 🥂
That was a very concise and informative video...Thanks!!
Thanks for watching! Stay tuned for more 😊
Druing summer its 1% per hour. Pre-conditioning the battery during winter significantly kills the battery.
thanks for a great test showing what the car is capable of doing. It's amazing how efficient Tesla manage their cars to be. I use keep mode frequently, both winter and summer. When I go to eat something or shopping I always leave it on if the errand is 1 hour or shorter. What it can do at winter you already know. But coming out to a cool car in summertime is a blessing. We all know how how a regular car feels in summertime... Only people from Finland like them because they love sauna. You can use keep mode even if the battery is under 20 %. You just have to start it from the app, because the car don't let you do it in the infotainment system. When you start it from the app it will ask if you really want to start it because of low SOC, just click yes and keep mood kicks in.
Definitely going to be using keep way more now knowing how little it uses in shorter trips out of the car! Can't wait to try the car out in summer, only had in winter!
You always should have emergency blankets in the car (because why not) so then you can turn down the AC and use heated seats for keeping warm, much more energy efficient.
As soon as no one sits on the driver seat when doors are closed, the screen turns off. You can stop it by just tapping the screen right after turning off.
I think it just used less power after you stopped opening and closing the doors 2 times an hour
The car uses door activity plus the internal camera to determine occupancy. To trick the car, roll the window down and then lean in to use the screen. You can roll up the window and the screen will stray on
wifi was left on. it's possible your car drained more battery by just uploading data / syncing with Tesla:s servers (esp since you have fsd). Good test regardless but would've been more accurate if it wasn't connected to wifi.
keep warm is great to use whenever you're out grabbing dinner, getting groceries etc. it's better to maintain a consistent temp vs having the car fluctuate temps during these stops.
Hmm never considered wifi! Good shout for future tests like this. Planning a real campout soon
you can trick it by opening the passenger side door and placing a heavy backpack on the passenger seat. buckle it just to be sure and you should be good.
Wish I did that!
I was in this situation a few years ago with a V6 ICE vehicle at about -30C. Ran it for 20 minutes. Let it set for 20 minutes. Repeat.
Radio on the whole time. Easily lasted for about ten hours with surprisingly little fuel used.
With your vehicle, I'd consider just using the heated seats and a blanket. And the radio.
In either case you'd hope to never be stuck for this length of time haha. But either option should keep you warm
Good result, and this is close to a worst-case scenario. In a real ‘stranded’ situation you wouldn’t necessarily leave it at 20° (you could do a few degrees lower, especially if using seat heaters anyway). You’d also have body heat to help (100 watts per person which in an area as small as a car interior would have a measurable impact. It’s also not likely to be -26° in most of the world (Canada and Siberia excepted!)
All excellent points! I allowed for a safe buffer in the interior temp, plus a safe buffer given that most areas of the world the outside temp won't be as cold as for me... And still only 3%/hr! So the outcome is you can easily rely on only using 3%/hr unless you have an EXTREME situation :)
To keep the movie on you would have to use camp mode but of course the doors won’t lock.
I didnt expect to watch this entire video but it was pretty interesting. Nicely done.
Glad you enjoyed it! More to come very soon 😊
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Damn, Mason. Your first video was posted 3 weeks ago, and now you're getting 130k views on a 5 day old video... I don't know if you realize how fucking crazy that is. Most people never get that far, and if they do, it takes them years and you've done it in 3 weeks. It's really a testament to how much of a natural you are at this, and of course, that fact that many people find this interesting. Keep it up man, the sky is the limit
Really appreciate the kindness! Yes, I am so blessed, I never imagined I'd get 100k views on a video at any point! To have this start is incredible. Stay tuned for more content!