At 9:18 in the video you see that they were testing the new car in Track Mode which absolutely destroys straight line acceleration because it cools the battery off. If you have it in Track Mode and then stop or even get out of the car completely it will continue to chill the battery even while it is parked. While they sit there chatting they are just destroying the car’s performance. This test completely misrepresents what these cars are actually capable of.
No matter how many times it has been explained in the comments Matt keeps drag racing Teslas in track mode. But it’s been pointed out many times in these comments that track mode sacrifices and decreases straight line acceleration drag performance by reducing acceleration and torque in order to maximize track performance by not overheating the drivetrain. Track mode is meant for track performance not dragstrip mode. On the track your drivetrain is optimized for longevity not max performance so it doesnt overheat after hard acceleration
@@OmarZ77yes. It’s not very good for track performance. Misha showed it overheating on the Nürburgring despite track mode. But at the same time track mode is understood not to be drag strip performance. That’s why dragsters are optimized differently than track cars.
@@Jeddin he didn’t use Track Mode this time for the run. He put it in Insane mode before he started but he had it in Track Mode before that which cools the battery off and slows the car down.
@@purwantiallan5089 P- was the informal nickname given to performance model 3s without the wheels, spoiler, etc. There was a short time window where the cosmetic stuff was an optional extra.
Doesn't matter because Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
The wheels make a difference, 18’s vs 20’s. Model S Plaid’s with 19” wheels regularly out drag ones with the 21” wheels to the quarter by a couple tenths. It’s a trivial difference though.
The new M3P, outside of America, is gimped by its LG battery pack. Compared to the Panasonic pack used in America, it can't hit the same peak discharge, and its performance drops off faster as state of charge drops. (As a fun bonus, it'll heat up faster when being hammered on a track.) In the real world, on the road, it's pretty close to irrelevant. But for folks in the UK, the best M3P in terms of power is probably the cars from 2021 to early 2022, which had an 82kWh Panasonic pack.
Sadly those models are riddled with battery problems, resulting in complete fail of the Pack. I already have a refurbished battery and there are over 100 cases in the german forum alone.
@@riba2233 Production capacity. Tesla are using every Panasonic pack they can get their hands on to build M3P's in the US, because the car is eligible for the federal tax credit when it has that pack. At the end of the day, the Performance with the LG pack is still bloody quick and you're not going to be able to tell much difference between them in the real world on the public road.
@@ModernDayMixtapes 60-70% battery is not exactly low, very surprising. ICE cars don't have issues with performance on low fuel, this is really bad from tesla
I think it's important to stick to stocks that are immune to economic policies. AI stocks that have the potential to power and transform future technologies. It seems AI is the trajectory most companies are taking, including even established FAANG companies. Maybe there are other recommendations?
I bought into NVIDIA around September last year because my financial advisor recommended it to me. She said the company is selling shovels in a gold rush. It accounted for almost 80% of my market return this year.
@@WaldronsSousas That's a great analogy and I love the insight. Professionals could make a really big difference in investing, and I think everyone should have one. There are aspects of market trends that are difficult for the untrained eyes to see.
@@KennithsAbadies The beauty of MARGARET MOLLI ALVEY approach is her dual focus: while aggressively pursuing profit opportunities, she's equally tenacious about shielding investors from potential pitfalls. It's a balance few can achieve.
In 2019 the first Performance Plus and Performance models received a Christmas update of 25bhp more. In the 2022 model refresh the bhp returned to 450bhp. So technically if your original blue Model 3 with Performance upgrade has been kept up to date it is in fact slightly more powerful than the latest. I only know this because I have owned all three.
They are both rated at 450hp officially. That beeing said 1) people figured out the new rear motor has more power than the old one 2) car with LG battery is bottlenecked by it pretty much on the whole SoC spectrum 3) peak power means Jack shit on EVs
@@romansenger2322 yes correct but the Christmas upgrade which was only for a few vehicles back in the day made these early cars more powerful than later cars
I ordered my M3P at the beginning of July 2018 when they first started offering them. If you ordered an M3P in July 2018, you got free lifetime supercharging. It was impossible to order before July and if you ordered starting in August, you didn’t get that option. My car didn’t have the dual motor badge nor the one with the red line under it (this is what tells you it is a Performance version). I went in to Tesla in 2021 for some maintenance and they decided to put that badge on. The technician was confused at first because I have the stock aero wheels and brakes so he assumed I didn’t have the performance edition. I had him look it up and he was surprised. So now it has the correct badge on it. I remember getting the update you are referring to. It dropped the advertised 0-60 time from 3.2 seconds to 2.9 seconds.
@@gabgas27that is not true. With the NCx chemistry, every 20% has a different power delivery and specially under 50% there is a big difference / performance loss. What you said is only valid on LFP batteries (standard range) To be exact they should’ve controlled the tire pressure, all matching settings and SOC to match, as well as the battery/tire temperature. On these sub 4 second cars, every aspect makes a lot of difference.
It's embarassing that the performance drops off that heavily. That's real world testing right here. These people that only do times at 100% state of charge isn't real world. U will never be at that state of charge going around town every day. Gas cars always deliver the same power whether high or low gas.
@@G82Watts Same power yes but not the same performance. ICE is the opposite to EV, the less fuel in an ICE the faster the vehicle will go due to less weight. Drag racing a car with a full fuel tank and one with only 5% would see a boost due to carrying 60 litres less or around 40kg less in weight. Whether it's as significant as the difference with an EV I couldn't say.
You do generally a good job with comparisions, but there is almost meaningless to compare EVs when the SOC differs so much. You did the same when racing Hyundai Ioniq 5N at 97% SoC vs MOdel 3 at 73% SoC. Thats enough to flip the results.
They do not do generally good comparisons, lately they've been worse and worse, comparing vehicles that can not be compared, inconsistent launches, wrong driving modes, bad drivers, it's getting worse and worse. Donut and Officially Gassed are years a head of Carwow. All this channel does is promote their App.
@torkorp what is the science behind your claim? Can you elaborate on that? The BMS, cables and the battery is usually built to handle max current for extended period of times. The SoC is just an indicator how much "juice" you have left. Why should an juice indicator on optimal range 20-100% SoC would make any difference on the EV?
@@kristiansevdari4730 chatgpt, grok and many more are free if you want the science behind it, or simply, go back to that video and check actual engineers explaining why that video was absolute chaos.
@@kristiansevdari4730 This is common knowledge. There’s literally thousands of datapoints available, from Electric RC planes to EVs. Just google battery SOC vs power output.
I think it's more on the EVs themselves. IRL you won't be driving with 100% charged. Heck, you will probably even charge it to only 80% (to "preserve" it) and by the time you can put your foot down it's gonna be at 60%. I get your point, but this obvious flaw of EVs that was exposed here is still important.
The EU version has a “crappy” battery compared to the US performance highland model 3.. (the old performance model has the Panasonic version, great at having a low internal resistance)
It's not that big of a difference. Only people here in the US make u think it is by lowkey removing seats and using lighter wheels. The US version does 10.9-11.0 as shown in many non tesla owner reviews. But tesla owners seem to act like their cars are stock when they aren't .
@@Warrantti All lies. Prepped surface and 1 foot rollout, and seats are removed. Model 3 Performance couldn't do it on normal road in less than 11.3 seconds
Starting to think the Model 3 holds up in power and performance better than its bigger brothers. This run was still pretty good for a 4 year old model.
The Model 3's have proven to be near indestructible with many now over 200k miles. They spent years developing it, looks like they made the important stuff very robust.
The old one is great, but it would have lost in a fair race: Same SoC and both on original 20in. The old one here has a higher SoC and only 18in wheels.
@@hassanger8128 You are wasting your money on a low mileage EV. Age of the battery is much more important, go for high mileage recent model year for best bang for the buck.
The older performance has perelli tyres which have superior grip and it's lighter than the newer model. One thing to note too is the battery range from the older models is 30km more than the newer. I find this odd but they prioritised the interior of highland
I think your issue is you need a US Spec Model 3 Performance. You’d have 10% more power over a wider range of charge. Seems the LG Battery is very temperamental to both the state of the charge and temperature.
Track Mode + this is the UK M3P which has 460 horsepower. US makes 510. I dont know why they keep using this guys M3P, the European one is trash compared to the US
I have a Stealth Performance as well. I liked the car so much that it prompted me to purchase Tesla stock in 2018. I made enough to buy several Teslas with the proceeds from the sale. My wife just picked up a Model Y Performance a few months ago. I still keep my BMW M3 with manual transmission for the weekends. I am looking to add a 911 S or Corvette C8 to the stable. I am in the process of rebuilding my rock crawling 4Runner as well.
It drops off constantly, nonlinear toward the edges of the battery spectrum and about linear in between. But it will also have a higher power output the warmer the battery is, so on a track day, the initial power lost is covered by the rise in power from using the battery.
Spoiler: It WAS called the Performance back then... Even though the "Performance Upgrade Package" was optional, the trim was still officially called "Model 3 Performance Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive." I have the order confirmation and window sticker to show this.
Just in case people are confused, the euro model 3 performance makes less power than the American version. So that’s why they are closer in that race and people in America run 10.6’s in the new performance here
@@whatsay8406 European cars are built in china and use a less powerful battery pack which is why they are slower and are more affected by lower battery levels. And many have run 10.7’s and 10.6’s so far.
The earliest Tesla Model 3 Performance cars got the more desirable Panasonic battery even in Europe. We want to see a new Highland Model 3 Performance with the Panasonic battery run against the old car. That would be a fair fight.
@LearningFast Carwow is doing multiple races on a filming day, so the chances of doing this and proving something pretty much insignificant for the car community are close to zero, especially when they don't care about SoCs in races.
My guess: they know that, Richard has a known EV only channel. But they filmed the new Model 3 Performance before that race and decided to have it with higher charge for that race. Carwow is shooting a lot of races on one day.
In the US the P with regular brakes/wheels was called the Model 3 stealth, not the P minus, only Tesla dealerships were able to order them, I owned one
State of Charge is a huge factor in speed. The new Model 3 performance can run 11.0 all day at 90% or higher I’ve even seen 10.9 but once SOC drops below about 75% the power really starts dropping off a lot.
@@rahansk8200 Obviously it’s a figure of speech I’m saying if the battery is at 90% or higher it’s always gonna run 11.0 every time once you get below 75% charge hp drops considerably.
To have the fastest speed/acceleration on a Tesla: #1 you need 18-inch wheels, #2 you need a fully charged battery #3 You need to pre-heat the battery before the race (meaning, selecting in the map you will navigate to a supercharger that will pre-heat the battery). if you do the three things, you will have the maximum acceleration. if you do not have 18' inch wheels but 20', at least make sure you have points #2 and #3 covered. bonus point: track mode will not help you with acceleration, will only help you to cool down the battery, hence for accceleration DO NOT select track mode.
hey Mat, I think the new model 3 performance is faster if out of track mode and in insane mode. The track mode was developed in the new version to sustain more power over time, like in a track. I guess that in that way the new one should win! Cheers
Intriguing results! It's surprising to see how close the older Model 3 Performance was, even with the newer model's improvements. It highlights how well the original performance powertrain was optimised. However, the battery percentage difference definitely played a role. It would be great to see a rematch with both cars at full charge and with the same battery temp.
It was called the M3 Stealth Performance in the USA in 2020. The M3P Highland version in the USA is faster too due to the better battery pack and will turn out a 10.7 1/4 mile.
Good lord, reading this comment section is painful. It's amazing how nearly zero percent of you understand ICE or EV technology. Some of you either forgot or ignored how ICE vehicles respond to increasing temps (especially air intake and oil temps) and that fuel heating is a real thing (for those of you going "Dur, ICE no impact by low fuel!" [sic]. Others don't understand that when you charge a battery the voltage is highest when fully charged and that voltage drops rapidly as you use the battery. You need to go look at a battery discharge curve so you see the the massive falloff of voltage (spoiler alert: higher voltage=higher current=higher power). This falloff in power affects every high performance EV, it isn't just a Tesla thing. Now, it's not very apparent in slow EVs because they're just that...slow. You know, like most EVs on the market? Because only Tesla and a select few other brands have made vehicles that do 4 second or lower 0-60, everyone else seems to be producing EVs that are as slow as typical V6 cars.
@@georgevigil7001 this also affects the ioniq 5N. Hyundai cannot cheat physics. The difference between this car and Hyundai i5N is that the i5N actually doesn't provide you with peak power. That's hidden except for few seconds behind the NGB mode. That way they give you the illusion of consistent power when the real peak is in NGB. After that they're actually throttling back power to a more manageable level. Same with the taycan and other cars with "boost" functions.
E46 m3 owner here, with ice you need to be in a specific rpm to generate max hp anyways. So while capacity of fuel will not effect power, your rpm will so an ice car will not always be at max hp either. Same same but different but still same. I hope you understand.
The old MP3 is essentially identical to the new one in terms of performance with one caveat: The new car has staggered 20" wheels with 275mm wide rear tires and 235 front where the old one is square 20" with 235mm all the way around. The new Warp wheels are also dramatically lighter than all previous MP3 19" and 20" wheels(you can't run 18's on the PUP cars due to the big brake package). They are technically a tiny bit heavier than the 18" Aero wheels on the non-PUP cars, however the 20" 235mm front tires are lighter than the 18" tires and the 275mm rear tires are essentially the same. Swapping to the Warp wheels and tires on the old M3P will give you identical performance to the Highland M3P.
If it is possible Matt.. try and also record the battery and the inverter temperatures. It's just my guess that the battery and inverter temperatures are also the factors affecting the performance.
Outside America where the new M3P gets the bigger and more powerful battery, the update is irrelevant. The non-American car is pretty much the same performance wise but no better in terms of efficiency. And it’s £60,000 💀
Well apparently now we do cause the government is gonna impose a 40% taxation on cars from China so Tesla is shipping the us version from Fermont but I still canceled it I wanna get a Model S Plaid instead in 2-3 years when the new comes out
@fr3238 Damn that's actually crazy. I've seen phones with different performances because of different batteries in the eu/us, but the battery of an electric car, on the performance model? How is this acceptable lol
@@Zyphr-- Yeah it's crazy and the very reason I didn't get the new M3P. That said, most people probably won't notice the difference. Still I don't like paying the same for the slow version, even if it is a really nice and well-handling car :-)
Geez…. Do the doughnuts after the drag racing. Why? Equal battery charge. Plus higher charge percentage is faster. Better less ground up tires (pre doughnuts). Think by now you would have known.
Yup. My July 2018 Model 3 Performance didn’t even have the Dual Motor badge, let alone the one with the red underline that indicates it’s the performance edition. Stock 18” Aero cover wheels, stock brakes, no spoiler and no badge. Straight sleeper.
My USA 2018 Model 3 is a 'Stealth Performance' ie all the software w/the required rear motor, not the wheels/brakes/suspension diffs but I did my own brake updates so a reasonable deal for the $
Well as a former old m3p and recent m3p owner I can say the new one is quite a bit quicker, especially from 120km/h upwards (EU models). This test is not represantative of the actual improvements in accelaration.
Get 10 Teslas each with different state of charge (90, 80, 70%) and drag race em
Ive done something similair, but with my own. Measuring 100-200 at different SoCs on the autobahn. Video is on my channel.
Well, it's pretty obvious that the ones charged higher will weigh more.😅
@@ml9867 😬😬
Does one with more charge perform better?
@@ml9867 u joking?
Bro’s got the best full time job ever
I know right
The 500hp American version can complete 1/4mile in 10.6sec
@@Matriarchy_Feminism what about South African version since Musk is from SA
This a job😂
@@Matriarchy_Feminism2013 Shelby GT500 and RTR-X can go faster than 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance on 1/2 mile drag race.
We need Mat vs Yianni bicycle race
hahahaah YES!!!! and Driver Sam on 3 wheel bicycle 🤣🤣🤣
Correct
Fully agreed
And don't forget the 100, 200 and 400m sprint!!!!
@@Presto_001 ohhhh yessss!!
This is definitely the quietest drag race ever recorded in carwow for sure
EV's are fun cars to drive, but watching them race is as boring as it gets.
At 9:18 in the video you see that they were testing the new car in Track Mode which absolutely destroys straight line acceleration because it cools the battery off. If you have it in Track Mode and then stop or even get out of the car completely it will continue to chill the battery even while it is parked. While they sit there chatting they are just destroying the car’s performance. This test completely misrepresents what these cars are actually capable of.
Thats good to know actually.
Ohh that’s interesting to know. Thank you for the information
I like carwow, but they've proven time and time again that they don't know how to properly drag race Teslas.
6:10 first launch
7:26 second launch
8:22 third launch
11:23 rolling start
12:25 rolling start 50mph
14:10 brake test
Thank you bro
❤
gold mate
thank you captain obvious
@@sherzodchulliyev9163the brake test is the main highlight no doubt.
No matter how many times it has been explained in the comments Matt keeps drag racing Teslas in track mode. But it’s been pointed out many times in these comments that track mode sacrifices and decreases straight line acceleration drag performance by reducing acceleration and torque in order to maximize track performance by not overheating the drivetrain. Track mode is meant for track performance not dragstrip mode. On the track your drivetrain is optimized for longevity not max performance so it doesnt overheat after hard acceleration
He states people aren't driving with 100% battery, therefore it's not representative, but he uses track mode.
Sounds like a problem with the car's design then. In any car and to any logical human, track mode means full power.
@@OmarZ77yes. It’s not very good for track performance. Misha showed it overheating on the Nürburgring despite track mode. But at the same time track mode is understood not to be drag strip performance. That’s why dragsters are optimized differently than track cars.
He does it intentionally to make tesla look bad. Carwow and top gear have always uses shady tactics with ev testing. 🙂
@@Jeddin he didn’t use Track Mode this time for the run. He put it in Insane mode before he started but he had it in Track Mode before that which cools the battery off and slows the car down.
"they all sound the same anyway" that bit got me.
This should be the top comment
That drift was extremely boring.
In fact, everything about this race was boring and soulless.
Yeah, same here
Even the teslas sound the same
@@hassanger8128only NPCs think this is exciting. Its like watching regular traffic
Video starts at 0:01
cheers mate
Thank you my man
thanks man we did NOT know at all
Blah blah blah
Yeah no sh!t
I actually really enjoy videos with Richard, hes very entertaining and got great chemistry with mat.
They should do a topgear kind of show together!
Yes at least he can drive and doesn't have the reaction time of a Banana like some of the tiktok tuner boyz he has on
@ElectricMikeEVyep. Maybe very soon in fact.
Yianni is better
@@giuliadisalvo3939 mmmh I'm not really a fan if Yianni
P minus 😂😂😂
please post more videos of that guy screaming on the train
ban terry flags
Why P Minus btw?
@@purwantiallan5089 P- was the informal nickname given to performance model 3s without the wheels, spoiler, etc. There was a short time window where the cosmetic stuff was an optional extra.
@@purwantiallan5089old perf
Doesn't matter because Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that he just came into Harry's and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS, and a Motec system exhaust.
I'll have the tuna.
@@Maxation with no crust.
😂
@@Maxationtrout paste for me please
Bulls**t, Noone likes the tuna here...
The wheels make a difference, 18’s vs 20’s. Model S Plaid’s with 19” wheels regularly out drag ones with the 21” wheels to the quarter by a couple tenths. It’s a trivial difference though.
The most calm competitor! (Richard)
👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
The new M3P, outside of America, is gimped by its LG battery pack. Compared to the Panasonic pack used in America, it can't hit the same peak discharge, and its performance drops off faster as state of charge drops. (As a fun bonus, it'll heat up faster when being hammered on a track.)
In the real world, on the road, it's pretty close to irrelevant. But for folks in the UK, the best M3P in terms of power is probably the cars from 2021 to early 2022, which had an 82kWh Panasonic pack.
really can't imagine why they would gimp it like that.
Sadly those models are riddled with battery problems, resulting in complete fail of the Pack. I already have a refurbished battery and there are over 100 cases in the german forum alone.
@@riba2233 It's not gimped, the Panasonic cells made in Nevada can simply discharge quicker than the LG's.
@@riba2233 Production capacity. Tesla are using every Panasonic pack they can get their hands on to build M3P's in the US, because the car is eligible for the federal tax credit when it has that pack.
At the end of the day, the Performance with the LG pack is still bloody quick and you're not going to be able to tell much difference between them in the real world on the public road.
@@romansenger2322 Are you talking about the LG or the Panasonic pack having problems?
The learning should be: compare EVs with equally charged batteries.
It's only Teslas that do this. Other EVs don't lose power just because the battery is low
@@ModernDayMixtapes ROFL, i am still after 15 years of obsessing, baffled at the nonsense people invent about ev's and tesla ahahaha
@@ModernDayMixtapes 60-70% battery is not exactly low, very surprising. ICE cars don't have issues with performance on low fuel, this is really bad from tesla
@@ModernDayMixtapesnot at all, it’s the opposite. Except maybe for thw I5N. But even that one, under 30% SOC starts losing power.
@@ModernDayMixtapes ??????????????????bro what
All the starters sounding the same is Carwow’s longest running joke lol
Is it supposed to be a joke? I always figured they always had 2 separate people on purpose.
It's got quite a few folk running to the comments like they're the ones that just discovered it (I did 😬)
I think it's important to stick to stocks that are immune to economic policies. AI stocks that have the potential to power and transform future technologies. It seems AI is the trajectory most companies are taking, including even established FAANG companies. Maybe there are other recommendations?
I bought into NVIDIA around September last year because my financial advisor recommended it to me. She said the company is selling shovels in a gold rush. It accounted for almost 80% of my market return this year.
@@WaldronsSousas That's a great analogy and I love the insight. Professionals could make a really big difference in investing, and I think everyone should have one. There are aspects of market trends that are difficult for the untrained eyes to see.
@@KheroFrei That's a great tip. I'm setting out 50k to invest in the market this year. Any particularly useful tips you could offer to me?
@@KennithsAbadies The beauty of MARGARET MOLLI ALVEY approach is her dual focus: while aggressively pursuing profit opportunities, she's equally tenacious about shielding investors from potential pitfalls. It's a balance few can achieve.
@@KheroFrei I looked up her name online and found her page. I emailed and made an appointment to talk with her. Thanks for the tip.
You guys should redo this with a US version model 3p 😳
510 hp 2.9sec 0-60 💀
In 2019 the first Performance Plus and Performance models received a Christmas update of 25bhp more. In the 2022 model refresh the bhp returned to 450bhp. So technically if your original blue Model 3 with Performance upgrade has been kept up to date it is in fact slightly more powerful than the latest. I only know this because I have owned all three.
They are both rated at 450hp officially. That beeing said
1) people figured out the new rear motor has more power than the old one
2) car with LG battery is bottlenecked by it pretty much on the whole SoC spectrum
3) peak power means Jack shit on EVs
@@romansenger2322 yes correct but the Christmas upgrade which was only for a few vehicles back in the day made these early cars more powerful than later cars
@@alanjust I've 2020 model. Does it have 25hp more too?
Flexxin 🎉
I ordered my M3P at the beginning of July 2018 when they first started offering them. If you ordered an M3P in July 2018, you got free lifetime supercharging. It was impossible to order before July and if you ordered starting in August, you didn’t get that option. My car didn’t have the dual motor badge nor the one with the red line under it (this is what tells you it is a Performance version). I went in to Tesla in 2021 for some maintenance and they decided to put that badge on. The technician was confused at first because I have the stock aero wheels and brakes so he assumed I didn’t have the performance edition. I had him look it up and he was surprised. So now it has the correct badge on it.
I remember getting the update you are referring to. It dropped the advertised 0-60 time from 3.2 seconds to 2.9 seconds.
shame you didn't race them with the same SOC, would have been interesting to see the difference.
Unless the battery is very low the power loss is almost nothing
@@gabgas27that is not true. With the NCx chemistry, every 20% has a different power delivery and specially under 50% there is a big difference / performance loss. What you said is only valid on LFP batteries (standard range)
To be exact they should’ve controlled the tire pressure, all matching settings and SOC to match, as well as the battery/tire temperature. On these sub 4 second cars, every aspect makes a lot of difference.
It's embarassing that the performance drops off that heavily. That's real world testing right here. These people that only do times at 100% state of charge isn't real world. U will never be at that state of charge going around town every day. Gas cars always deliver the same power whether high or low gas.
@@G82Watts Same power yes but not the same performance. ICE is the opposite to EV, the less fuel in an ICE the faster the vehicle will go due to less weight. Drag racing a car with a full fuel tank and one with only 5% would see a boost due to carrying 60 litres less or around 40kg less in weight. Whether it's as significant as the difference with an EV I couldn't say.
@@G82Watts 💯
You do generally a good job with comparisions, but there is almost meaningless to compare EVs when the SOC differs so much. You did the same when racing Hyundai Ioniq 5N at 97% SoC vs MOdel 3 at 73% SoC. Thats enough to flip the results.
They do not do generally good comparisons, lately they've been worse and worse, comparing vehicles that can not be compared, inconsistent launches, wrong driving modes, bad drivers, it's getting worse and worse. Donut and Officially Gassed are years a head of Carwow. All this channel does is promote their App.
@torkorp what is the science behind your claim? Can you elaborate on that?
The BMS, cables and the battery is usually built to handle max current for extended period of times. The SoC is just an indicator how much "juice" you have left. Why should an juice indicator on optimal range 20-100% SoC would make any difference on the EV?
@@kristiansevdari4730 chatgpt, grok and many more are free if you want the science behind it, or simply, go back to that video and check actual engineers explaining why that video was absolute chaos.
@@kristiansevdari4730 This is common knowledge. There’s literally thousands of datapoints available, from Electric RC planes to EVs. Just google battery SOC vs power output.
I think it's more on the EVs themselves. IRL you won't be driving with 100% charged. Heck, you will probably even charge it to only 80% (to "preserve" it) and by the time you can put your foot down it's gonna be at 60%.
I get your point, but this obvious flaw of EVs that was exposed here is still important.
The EU version has a “crappy” battery compared to the US performance highland model 3.. (the old performance model has the Panasonic version, great at having a low internal resistance)
When said "They all sound the same anyway" I lost it. I love a good Meta🤣
Mat getting shown up was actually pretty funny. The drifting segment was great.
Also the acceleration times are just marginally slower in track mode bizarrely on the new 3P
9:08 no more Mars bars for Richard, extra weight is killing the performance of the performance…🫣
😂😂😂
Spoiler Alert the Tesla won🎉
😅😂
The other one won
wow
Yeah, no shit😂
no
Tesla, we need the US battery in Europe also! This is embarrassing
LG battery is not good enough for M3 performance. I hope Tesla upgrades the China made M3P battery near future or gives as option to buy US made one.
It's not that big of a difference. Only people here in the US make u think it is by lowkey removing seats and using lighter wheels. The US version does 10.9-11.0 as shown in many non tesla owner reviews. But tesla owners seem to act like their cars are stock when they aren't .
@@G82Watts US model 3 performance actually does quarter mile in 10.65 seconds. That is huge difference.
@@Warrantti ur so misguided it's hilarious. Believe whatever u want. Those cars are not stock. U truly gotta be downright dumb.
@@Warrantti
All lies.
Prepped surface and 1 foot rollout, and seats are removed.
Model 3 Performance couldn't do it on normal road in less than 11.3 seconds
That's the "Stealth Performance", it has duel motors but looks like a standard range
450hp for the old M3P seems weird because here in continental Europe that was rated at 513 hp. My M3 LR from 2021 has 490hp (360kW)
HP is a useless stat, especially at this low speeds, HP determines vmax
Starting to think the Model 3 holds up in power and performance better than its bigger brothers. This run was still pretty good for a 4 year old model.
The Model 3's have proven to be near indestructible with many now over 200k miles. They spent years developing it, looks like they made the important stuff very robust.
Thanks, carwow, for single-handedly improving the depreciation of older Model 3 Performances. 😂
The old one is great, but it would have lost in a fair race: Same SoC and both on original 20in. The old one here has a higher SoC and only 18in wheels.
The old model 3 Performance with pow milage is now cheaper than a Corolla
@@hassanger8128 You are wasting your money on a low mileage EV. Age of the battery is much more important, go for high mileage recent model year for best bang for the buck.
The older performance has perelli tyres which have superior grip and it's lighter than the newer model. One thing to note too is the battery range from the older models is 30km more than the newer. I find this odd but they prioritised the interior of highland
@@hiphopgangsta101 Nah, the older model have Michelin tires and the new one have Pirellis.
I think your issue is you need a US Spec Model 3 Performance. You’d have 10% more power over a wider range of charge. Seems the LG Battery is very temperamental to both the state of the charge and temperature.
Yup. Tired of them using the Chinese battery version, it sucks. They must have the means to get a US Tesla Model 3P.
I've had my 2018 P- 5 years and 300 days. This video makes me feel really good about not needing to upgrade!
0:40 The white animation on the tyres makes the car look cool
Ye I thought that too🔥🔥
Did he change it back to insane mode. Or did he leave it in track
Track Mode + this is the UK M3P which has 460 horsepower. US makes 510. I dont know why they keep using this guys M3P, the European one is trash compared to the US
60% charge, track mode on, battery not on temp. Good job comparing.
The value of my stealth performance has shot up a staggering $600 as a direct result of this video. Thanks Matt Watson.
Your car value is in free fall.
I have a Stealth Performance as well. I liked the car so much that it prompted me to purchase Tesla stock in 2018. I made enough to buy several Teslas with the proceeds from the sale. My wife just picked up a Model Y Performance a few months ago. I still keep my BMW M3 with manual transmission for the weekends. I am looking to add a 911 S or Corvette C8 to the stable. I am in the process of rebuilding my rock crawling 4Runner as well.
@@hassanger8128 show me where?
@@hassanger8128Teslas don’t depreciate any more than any other new cars
Matts face on the break test killed me! 🤣🤣🤣
What did he break?
I ❤ my 2018 Model 3 Performance ! I took delivery of mine in 🇨🇦 September, 2018
Difference in wheel size and driver weight probably gave Mat the edge
If you slow the video down @8:04, you can clearly see him go before the umpires hands start falling!
On track I find that as soon as you get near 70% battery, performance starts to drop off. The new M3P is definitely quicker on lap times than the old.
It drops off constantly, nonlinear toward the edges of the battery spectrum and about linear in between.
But it will also have a higher power output the warmer the battery is, so on a track day, the initial power lost is covered by the rise in power from using the battery.
How is it quicker when it overheats and can't even complete a full lap around nurumbring 😂
@@G82Watts cant complete a full lap? -> are we making up things now?
Bro went out of the car and the traction changed 😂😂😂 5:37
I feel like you need a US version for these tests. That would be cool
1:17 .. is it leaking oil ....... ?😝
It's condesation from the AC
its an ev 💀
AC🥱🤦♂️🙄✋️✋️
Ev doesn’t use oil it’s the ac
@@NOTMR.LEGEND
Even though this is clearly condensation from the AC, EVs do have oil to lubricate their gears
The Tesla m3 performance vs cyber truck be a good race
Cybertruck, while towing a 911 carrera, did a 1/4 mile time of 11.2 seconds, none of them model 3's even have a chance
just skip to 6:10
5:17 bro's casually burning rubber 😅
Spoiler: It WAS called the Performance back then... Even though the "Performance Upgrade Package" was optional, the trim was still officially called "Model 3 Performance Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive." I have the order confirmation and window sticker to show this.
Just in case people are confused, the euro model 3 performance makes less power than the American version. So that’s why they are closer in that race and people in America run 10.6’s in the new performance here
Do they? I thought the person running 10.6 quarter mile also had 18’s installed. Not all stock.
@@whatsay8406 European cars are built in china and use a less powerful battery pack which is why they are slower and are more affected by lower battery levels. And many have run 10.7’s and 10.6’s so far.
@@nsxmatt sounds like excuses.
@@OmarZ77 It’s called stating facts. Get a dictionary and learn the word. I’ll write in crayon if that helps
@@nsxmatt got a dictionary. Yup, definitely sounds like making excuses.
The earliest Tesla Model 3 Performance cars got the more desirable Panasonic battery even in Europe. We want to see a new Highland Model 3 Performance with the Panasonic battery run against the old car. That would be a fair fight.
Carwow cant and wont organize to ship a car from the US to show that. Too much struggle for little to no return.
@@romansenger2322 they don’t have to ship a car. If he just came here to Maryland we could arrange the race for them.
@LearningFast Carwow is doing multiple races on a filming day, so the chances of doing this and proving something pretty much insignificant for the car community are close to zero, especially when they don't care about SoCs in races.
It's bullshit there is a difference anyway. Clown company again lying to customers
I own a model 3 P, you have to compare every EV with the same % of battery, otherwise comparison have no sense
My guess: they know that, Richard has a known EV only channel. But they filmed the new Model 3 Performance before that race and decided to have it with higher charge for that race. Carwow is shooting a lot of races on one day.
In the US the P with regular brakes/wheels was called the Model 3 stealth, not the P minus, only Tesla dealerships were able to order them, I owned one
State of Charge is a huge factor in speed. The new Model 3 performance can run 11.0 all day at 90% or higher I’ve even seen 10.9 but once SOC drops below about 75% the power really starts dropping off a lot.
Not all day, every charge 😂
@@rahansk8200 Obviously it’s a figure of speech I’m saying if the battery is at 90% or higher it’s always gonna run 11.0 every time once you get below 75% charge hp drops considerably.
06:10 - First Race begins
Race starts at 6:11
Video begins at 6:12
Thanks, boring milk float rubbish until then.
Thanks ❤
To have the fastest speed/acceleration on a Tesla: #1 you need 18-inch wheels, #2 you need a fully charged battery #3 You need to pre-heat the battery before the race (meaning, selecting in the map you will navigate to a supercharger that will pre-heat the battery). if you do the three things, you will have the maximum acceleration. if you do not have 18' inch wheels but 20', at least make sure you have points #2 and #3 covered. bonus point: track mode will not help you with acceleration, will only help you to cool down the battery, hence for accceleration DO NOT select track mode.
hey Mat, I think the new model 3 performance is faster if out of track mode and in insane mode. The track mode was developed in the new version to sustain more power over time, like in a track. I guess that in that way the new one should win! Cheers
It's just that Matt was lighter 🙌
Beautiful cars!
Both, classic and Highland. In 20 years they will still look awesome.
awesome? All Tesla looks shit to me in/outside. Why people like this Design i will never understand.
@@Quinni1980 Yeah, you'll never understand. Don't worry.
no, they won't..
@@Quinni1980 yep panel gap galore too, really poorly made
Thinking to buy one. I already pitched to the wife ownership costs will be cheaper than the V60 D6 we have currently. I think she bought it.
New one is fantastic
the V60 D6 is such a cool car tho, how was it for you in terms of reliability?
Pitch the safety as well. Safest car in the world.
Another one who doesn't talk about cost and depreciation🙄🙄🙄🤦♂️
@@i3looi2 tesla the safest car in the world😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Intriguing results! It's surprising to see how close the older Model 3 Performance was, even with the newer model's improvements. It highlights how well the original performance powertrain was optimised. However, the battery percentage difference definitely played a role. It would be great to see a rematch with both cars at full charge and with the same battery temp.
It was called the M3 Stealth Performance in the USA in 2020. The M3P Highland version in the USA is faster too due to the better battery pack and will turn out a 10.7 1/4 mile.
Standard Nevera vs Nevera R _ please car wow
To this day I still don't know who the voice is behind the "3, 2, 1" and it's driving me crazy. Also, 06:46...that's what she said! Ha!
Good lord, reading this comment section is painful. It's amazing how nearly zero percent of you understand ICE or EV technology. Some of you either forgot or ignored how ICE vehicles respond to increasing temps (especially air intake and oil temps) and that fuel heating is a real thing (for those of you going "Dur, ICE no impact by low fuel!" [sic]. Others don't understand that when you charge a battery the voltage is highest when fully charged and that voltage drops rapidly as you use the battery. You need to go look at a battery discharge curve so you see the the massive falloff of voltage (spoiler alert: higher voltage=higher current=higher power).
This falloff in power affects every high performance EV, it isn't just a Tesla thing. Now, it's not very apparent in slow EVs because they're just that...slow. You know, like most EVs on the market? Because only Tesla and a select few other brands have made vehicles that do 4 second or lower 0-60, everyone else seems to be producing EVs that are as slow as typical V6 cars.
I think one of the only EV's that can do it consistently is the Hyundai ioniq 5N
@@georgevigil7001 this also affects the ioniq 5N. Hyundai cannot cheat physics. The difference between this car and Hyundai i5N is that the i5N actually doesn't provide you with peak power. That's hidden except for few seconds behind the NGB mode. That way they give you the illusion of consistent power when the real peak is in NGB. After that they're actually throttling back power to a more manageable level. Same with the taycan and other cars with "boost" functions.
E46 m3 owner here, with ice you need to be in a specific rpm to generate max hp anyways. So while capacity of fuel will not effect power, your rpm will so an ice car will not always be at max hp either. Same same but different but still same. I hope you understand.
The old MP3 is essentially identical to the new one in terms of performance with one caveat: The new car has staggered 20" wheels with 275mm wide rear tires and 235 front where the old one is square 20" with 235mm all the way around. The new Warp wheels are also dramatically lighter than all previous MP3 19" and 20" wheels(you can't run 18's on the PUP cars due to the big brake package). They are technically a tiny bit heavier than the 18" Aero wheels on the non-PUP cars, however the 20" 235mm front tires are lighter than the 18" tires and the 275mm rear tires are essentially the same. Swapping to the Warp wheels and tires on the old M3P will give you identical performance to the Highland M3P.
If it is possible Matt.. try and also record the battery and the inverter temperatures. It's just my guess that the battery and inverter temperatures are also the factors affecting the performance.
How hard was it to charge the car before filming?
Same car different colour 😂
0:23. A electric car leaking water 😭🤣🤣
You don’t have A/C in your cars?
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Yeah 😂 well done for finding that
Ever heard of AC and condensation?
@@calebsalamon3517 ik we have a ev
In right Tesla style - "silent but violent" 🤠
I was so confused with the races until I read some comments, because I was wondering how the other model 3 was keeping up.
Matt needs to come back to the USA and race the superior M3P.
1:38 P Minus 😂
Hello Mata, it's been a long time since you tried a Dacia, as you can see that they have enriched you with the channel.🎉
this engineering breakthrough over a generation is earth shattering 🤣
Go to sleep it’s 3:24
Outside America where the new M3P gets the bigger and more powerful battery, the update is irrelevant. The non-American car is pretty much the same performance wise but no better in terms of efficiency. And it’s £60,000 💀
@@mra9085 it's more quiet, comfortable and has a better ride quality. Basically, more refined.
I canceled my m3p 2024 order because of that China version is simply not good compared to the one from the US 🇺🇸 (I’m from Canada 🇨🇦)
You don't get the US Version m3p in Canada?
Get the older one. You'll have to deal with the rougher ride, but it's still a great overall car
Well apparently now we do cause the government is gonna impose a 40% taxation on cars from China so Tesla is shipping the us version from Fermont but I still canceled it I wanna get a Model S Plaid instead in 2-3 years when the new comes out
Great to see RSEV helping you out again!
13:25:
"My car being The P-nus"... 😂😂😂
This is so embarrassing for Tesla 😂
The old one is on 18in wheels, that's why it wins. Silly test by Carwow.
@@fr3238 Doesn't change the fact that the increase in performance is embarrassingly small.
@@Zyphr-- True with the LG battery we get here in Europe. The Us version with Panasonic battery is significantly faster.
@fr3238 Damn that's actually crazy. I've seen phones with different performances because of different batteries in the eu/us, but the battery of an electric car, on the performance model? How is this acceptable lol
@@Zyphr-- Yeah it's crazy and the very reason I didn't get the new M3P. That said, most people probably won't notice the difference. Still I don't like paying the same for the slow version, even if it is a really nice and well-handling car :-)
So what exactly happened?
The tesla won
Different regulations I’d imagine
you need to be a bit more precise, Tesla Model 3 won, here you go
@@teo_gorr The performance version did, infact, win.
As usual
Geez…. Do the doughnuts after the drag racing. Why? Equal battery charge. Plus higher charge percentage is faster. Better less ground up tires (pre doughnuts). Think by now you would have known.
The level of battery without doubt affects the acceleration. Ive noticed my 3 Performance is more aggressive with 80 + %.
Less resistance off the thinner tyres on the older car probably helps over the rolling race
In the US, we referred to them as the Model 3 stealth performance
Yup. My July 2018 Model 3 Performance didn’t even have the Dual Motor badge, let alone the one with the red underline that indicates it’s the performance edition. Stock 18” Aero cover wheels, stock brakes, no spoiler and no badge. Straight sleeper.
in the us, people have no brain as well.
Least exciting race ever.
So the learning of this video.
The new European Tesla Model 3P 60% Battery SoC is as quick as the old European Tesla Model 3P- 90% Battery SoC 😅
Exactly. I guarantee our new M3P 2024 Euro battery is definitely faster than our 2019 M3P at a similar charge level. 60% is hobbling it.
Try holding onto the new version down a twisty B Road. Surely the old one won’t be as good with the non dynamic suspension?
This video should be titled "How to drift a Tesla"
Congrats for finding out in 2024 that state of charge matters.
Also the pre facelift M3P has a different battery able to deliver more output power.
My USA 2018 Model 3 is a 'Stealth Performance' ie all the software w/the required rear motor, not the wheels/brakes/suspension diffs but I did my own brake updates so a reasonable deal for the $
The smaller dual motor wheels is allowing more power to the ground, as well?
How have you not reviewed the new CLE nor CLE AMG yet . . . launched months ago.
You really should show the SoC.
You should avoid track mode. It cools the components down and this is not needed for a sprint at all.
Well as a former old m3p and recent m3p owner I can say the new one is quite a bit quicker, especially from 120km/h upwards (EU models). This test is not represantative of the actual improvements in accelaration.
The old one is on 18in wheels, that's why it wins. Silly test by Carwow.
@@fr3238the main reason is the different soc. You can't compare 90 VS 60%
@@nm-yi4yf You might be right, but 18in vs 20in wheels probably shaves off 0.2 sec to 100 kph