Wait wait wait, one of the Vulkan's creations is just....a ship? An entire ship? That's probably at least a couple kilometers long? He built it himself? Wat.
3 of the artifacts first introduced Vulcan carried or wore (spear, gauntlet, cloak) so suddenly a Mount Everest-fudging spaceship does seem a rather aburpt escalation.
Congratulations my friends, through the power of friendship you have found all of the artifacts, and now I will help the Imperium no mater what the voices in my head say. YOU ARE WEEEAAAAAK VUUUULKAN! Shut your not face! Brain Ghost Ferrus! You are not friend!
Vulkan: "Congratulations, my friends! Through the power of friendship, you have found all of the artifacts! And now I have returned, to bring peace and friendship to the entire Imperium... No matter what the voices in my head say!" *Ferrus appears out of nowhere* Ferrus: "YOU ARE WEEEAK VULKAN." Vulkan: "Shut your not - face, brainghost Ferrus! You are not friend..."
@Loc T it's a joke from the "If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device". It's a tongue in cheek reference to how the Ultramarines never fail at anything.
Remliz: the Engine of Woes could be a super heavy tank-... Meanwhile on some random Death World: (Blood Ravens driving a Green Prius) WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO! THIS IS AN EXCELLENT RELIC FOR THE CHAPTER BROTHERS!
I always saw the Engine of Woes as some kind of Weapon of Mass Destruction, where perhaps it needs to be projected into a star and it starts a chain reaction that results in a supernova, destroying an entire solar system. Not a bomb in itself but a device that engineers the collapse of the stars inner core thermonuclear fusion process. I suppose there are probably easier ways to make a star go supernova though. I dunno why but the name "Engine of Woes" just sounded far too grand to just be a vehicle.
I'm thinking an emperor class or something even bigger seeing as how they describe it has a destructive force never before unleashed. This makes me feel something BIGGER then emperor class Titan. Which is absolutely terrifying
@@robertnelson9599 I'm not sure where your getting your info. But everything I've read about the castigator is that the only unique feature about it was that it's head was above the shoulders instead of the center of the chest. Everything I've found (I just went and double checked) says the imperator Titan is the biggest of the emperor class Titans and the biggest Titans in Warhammer 40k I haven't been able to find ANY info about the castigator being bigger. Only that it's head sat above the shoulders.
Engine of woes sounds like a titan that was forged after the istvaan V drop site massacre "It withholds a wrath never unleashed" makes me think it has a cannon which fires vortex rounds/charges
@@soliar5209 NO! YOU BLOODY MAGPIES HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT BELONGING TO OTHER CHAPTERS AND FACTIONS TO FILL AN ENTIRE TOMB-WORLD'S QUOTA OF NOOKS AND CRANNIES!
3:55 wait... a cape made from animal hide was considered an artifact as dangerous as an entire space ship that Vulcan considered destroying it to protect the galaxy from it?
That one might have been an exception along with the gauntlet. Both were equipped by Vulcan when he went to go fight, and Vulcan wanted to destroy the artifacts before he went to go fight. He might not have even considered them to be artifacts due to how mundane they are compared to the others.
It’s made from Kesare, the giant fuck-off drake that Vulkan killed himself. It is completely, COMPLETELY impervious to flame. It may not be on the level of Vulkan’s Eye, but it’s still pretty cool.
The Cape and Gauntlet where not artifacts in the vault he showed. He said seven of the artifacts in there could be kept. Those, plus his cape and gauntlet, become the nine artifacts of Vulkan.
I could see it being that once they found all 7 it sends out a deep tone psychic message to Vulkan telling it's time to come home your son's found your toys
What if the engine of woes, is the talisman Vulkan gave the emperor on Terra? It was the ultimate fail safe in case Terra fell and would deal chaos a blow from which it could not recover. Woe indeed.
Great video. Interesting to see what the artifacts might be. All I know is the engine of woes is a nippy little number for getting around town...and dropping onto Primarchs
In the Blood Raven's defense, I would assume that one is normally carried by Vulkan himself, just so that he doesn't have to worry about fulfilling and promises or prophecies before he's ready.
Or at the iron hands i've heard that they have got soo butthurted for what happened at the drop site massacre that they started searching, hiding and even trying to stop the salamanders from retrieving the artifacts
So if he imbued part of his essence into the artifacts would they be like shards? What would happen if a shard was used like the one of Magnus used to create the Grey Knight? Would that be possible? Or would combining the shards allow Vulcan to once again become a perpetual? Sorry just random thoughts
@@KadRSP There's a certain Perpetual killing dagger + emperor needing to revive Vulcan with his own powers that would like to know your location. Purely to ask where you're keeping the boop Meister.
@@KadRSP I guess I'm just thinking that since he hasn't been seen since apparently dying during the War of the Beast that maybe all that's left would be his essence imbued within the shards. Perpetuals have died and he's been gone for a long time.
The default reactions of people fighting opposing primarchs are either "Run away!" or "Kill it with fire!", so you just kinda assume that people who kill a primarch don't leave enough behind for a dreadnought.
I had the idea ages ago about what if Alpharius or Omegon turned out to have gotten themselves interred in an Ultramarine or Imperial fist dreadnaugh. Since those two are the ones to allegedly have killed Alpharius. Could be cool as hell.
@@timtim6373 Vulkan wouldn't care. Ferrus is a traitor and a heretic. If anything, Vulkan should revel in the opportunity to bring down the hammer of justice (pun intended) upon his brother.
Both are equally good it's just down to their techniques. For example, if Ferrus built a power sword, it would cleave through armor like nothing, but it would look quite dull. If Vulkan built a power sword, it would be equally as strong, but with fine detailing and personal touches/componants integrated inside
I think the engine of woes might be a Siege weapon because in human history engines are generally referred to as Siege. The obsidian Chariot could be some sort of ship or vehicle made out of Blackstone. I think Vulcan is just hiding waiting for his sons to find all the artifacts because Vulcan wants to give his kids are good scavenger hunt.
hahahahaha You are right, artifacts are stupid. I intended their destruction, but a dear friend of old persuaded me otherwise. So I gave him the responsibility of securing them. I am unsure of what became of them after that.
just imagine how awesome it would be for vulcan to return and make the wargear for his fellow primarchs, the lion kitted out in panoply of war made by vulcan himself would be a fearsome foe for any deamon primarch
I feel that the Unbound Flame would be the last artifact to be found and that it would house something close to an Astropath or a psyker. One big psychic shriek, then big daddy Vulkan reawakens and makes his way back home
Listening to this while making my version of the obsidian chariot. I've based it on a baal predator (for the flamers) and removed the back spar to open the back up. I'm going to paint it gloss black with gold trim and some flame details.
I've always thought the Obsidian Chariot was some kind of special high quality jump pack. Historically a chariot hasn't been used to carry a large number or people like a land raider or house heavy weapons like a predator tank. They are fast light vehicles used to move around a battle field like a jetpack would allow you to do. That said, your idea of it being a two man attack bike is more accurate now that I think about it. Ancient chariots typically had a dedicated driver and dedicated archer or spear man to actually do damage, just like an attack bike.
Great video as always, thanks! Just for the sake of nitpicking, in 13:43 you said "Unbound Flame was one of seven items forged by Vulkan". Shouldn't still be nine?
The Obsidian Chariot could also be a suit of armor, perhaps with a jetpack as the term 'chariot' simply implies protective personal transportation. A vehicle requires fuel and ammunition for its weapons, while a suit of armor, perhaps with an infinite power source would fit more along the lines of something worth preserving by a master smith.
salamanders: have the vault with the artifacts heavily guarded blood ravens who probably have the other artifacts just thrown into their vaults with a bunch of other "gifts": its free real estate
Can you do a video on the true role of the primach's in the Emperors' vision? Magnus was meant to be the battery to the golden throne, and Vulkan the weapon smith. But that still leaves 18(-2).
The engine of woes is an old VW bus. It won't die, it rarely goes, it seats 8 marines but they have to take their shoulder armor of to get in the door, and he gifted it to the emperor so they can't just scrap it.
The Obsidian Chariot is likely black as thats is the primary color people think of when they think obsidian. But obsidian can also be brown, green, blue, red. orange, yellow or even "rainbow" where the color can change depending on the viewing angle. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.
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Ok if I ever get into 40k, I am buying a few salamanders and scratch-building the artifacts of vulkan, specifically the obsidian chariot and engine of woes (which i want to think is a custom imperial knight designed to be piloted by an astartes), I want to try and make that.
So these are like Vulkan's Horcrux's? I still think he's going to come back as a mega drednaught of some sort. More loyal primarchs need to come back from vacation.
Vulkan is a perpetual meaning that hes litteraly immortal and unkillable soo hi don't see the reason to be interred in a dreadnought other than troll the heretics and xenos who though he was just another loyalist dreadnought only to then pop out of the damaged dreadnought chestbuster style and maul everybody before they have time to react
This video, with all due respect, is incorrect at the end of the novel the salamanders locate the ships with, the brothers, and the weapons aboard. I always thought that Vulcan created new weapons. To be honest I’m glad you made a video because I thought that the weapons created in the book were not the 7 of Vulcan and that he made new weapons in his return to noctrine. Also the unbound flame is Vulcans name.
Bear in mind that in the novels epilogue (titled "The Broken Chalice", though I'm not sure if this part is exclusive to the special edition or not admitedly), which is set long after the Horus Heresy (due to the bodies of slain space marines wearing armour that was "far older than any (Ko'tan) had ever seen" and the metallurgical analysis conducted upon the ship itself dating it as 10,000 years old), describes the modern day salamanders discovering the Chalice of Fire and the Eye of Vulkan, but the vaults within the ship were otherwise empty, the other artefacts being long gone. The special edition version of the novel also states in the fold out colour section that the seven items were indeed the Spear of Vulkan, Chalice of Fire, Eye of Vulkan, Unbound Flame, Song of Entropy, Engine of Woes and Obsidian Chariot. Since the Chalice of Fire and Eye of Vulkan are specifically name dropped as being the ship and it's laser in the epilogue of Sons of the Forge, and that the Spear of Vulkan was later recovered by He'stan, it's safe to assume that these seven are indeed the ones chosen by T'kell. When Vulkan returned to Nocturne following the events of Imperium Secundus, the only item he would forge would be the Talisman of Seven Hammers whilst under the influence of The Emperor himself (which would go on to be installed into the Golden Throne itself) Post Heresy he may have created more artefacts (we know he would at some point forge the hammer Doom Tremor after all) but until confirmation arises, it remains purely speculative.
40K Theories I didn’t know that. I believe Vulcan was told that t’kell left and he may have tracked down the ships to redistribute the artifacts. I always thought Vulcan wrote the tomb of fire after the hersey. If that is the he had have discovered the forge masters ship then, redistribute the relics, and then wrote the tomb. The flaw of my theory was that no 40k salamander was seen using the artifacts, aside the Forge father, such as the song of entropy. However, I believe the last artifact, the chalice of fire, will be Vulcan as we learned in old earth is his code name. the question is does the emperor know where vulcan is? he knows were the loin is, does he know were vulcan is? would he resurrect vulcan like he did throughout the Hersey. i always thought that if the forge master or chapter master told guilliman about the tomb of fire that gulliman might launch the vulcan crusade, not only to get the artifacts, but get another brother back to make his job a little less impossible. 40k theories your videos are awesome and well informed. You were correct in samartar, in the Konrad cruz book states that Conrad saw sementar future and it ended positively. id love for you to do a video on sanguaniious and konrad visions and how they work. i got the impression from konrad book that when he met you he saw how you would die. i also thought when he fought sanguiness that they saw each other moves, like jedi do in star wars, due to there visions. or a video on the psychic awakening, what is it? why should we excited? will the loin come back?
What if, the unbound flame was a psychic hood to amplifier Vulkens ability or for his one eyed brudda man Magnus as a gift to cheer him up after the magic ban by Big E
Trying to think of what the object could be solely based on the name "Obsidian Chariot" honestly invokes images of space-faring vessels made of Blackstone to me.
i really hope the Khan rides out of the webway on a midnight black jetbike(obsidian charriot) lands on nocturn and in very heavily accented chogorin "tell my brother i didn't scratch it" then just leaves.
I believe the engine of woes to be either some sort of weapon that can level planets or solar systems, maybe something to do with overloading a star, or that it is perhaps a type of artificial intelligence or an example of it that Vulkan created, and is ashamed of for failing in his own eyes, or ashamed for creating something that is too perfect, an anathema to mortal life. The unbound flame being carved on the coffin of Vulkan could refer to something like the philosopher's stone, immortality or its like, maybe a regenerative organ, implant, etc. It could also be an unstoppable conflagration, a weapon of fire that cannot be quenched, or even warpflame.
Would a Space marine with geneseed taken freshly from a primarch be the same as the geneseed in the vaults of terra? Would a primarch like corax who has embraced the warp have different geneseed than himself 10,000 years ago?
Yeah man the warp is described in multiple books as directly affecting the dna makeup of individuals, there's a few iron warriors and word bearers novels that describe exactly that situation as fabius bile and hon sou was saying that they needed to raid imperial fists and others geneseed as the iron warriors and word bearers geneseed was too mutated from the warp to actually make more space marines from the fallen
I wonder if the Engine of Woes is some sort of Dreadnought. Or as others are saying, a Titan. "Wraith that has never been unleashed" could also be describing the "pilot" (I know, wrong verbiage) entombed within one of the machines. But I would have to think that the machine spirit within is so bonkers that it would make TTS Vulkan seem like a smart and reasonable man.
I think that while the Da’kir theory is mostly unlikely, the Salamanders believe in the Circle of Fire, a cycle of death and rebirth. If this cycle results in true reincarnation, then it is possible that what Vulkan forged could have become Da’kir millennia later. Perhaps he reached such an incredible level of craftsmanship that he was able to forge a soul?
The obsidian chariot is clearly going to be a complete STC of a Improved Gloriana class or some form of Imperial class Titan it’s armour is impenetrable it doesn’t sound like a jet bike
I always imagined that either the Unbound Flame or the Engine of Woes where something massive. A ship - perhaps on the scale of a Gloriana class battleship or the Imperator Somnius - armed with an immense bow mounted weapon capable of projecting ethereal fire at enemy ships - or worlds. Sort of an anathema to the Planet Killer or Blackstone Fortresses, or the unimaginable and vast foes from the Dark Age of Technology or alien empires Vulkan probably had in mind when he designed it. A Vulcan built tank or automaton would still be cool though
What if the Engine was either 1) A reusable weapons system that exceeded the destructive power of an exterminatus, such as potentially complete annihilating an entire planet to its core, leaving nothing behind Or 2) a Smart Car with Corvus Corax shoved inside?
Did anyone check out their local Prius dealership? If a green one has constant bouts of Emo poetry being spoken out of it I think you may have found the Engine of Woes.
If I was a warrior of substantial strength and skill in the 40k Universe I'd definitely want a weapon made by The Salamanders. If given the choice though I'd 10000% want it to be crafted by Vulcan himself.
Salamanders should just check the Blood Raven’s armoury.
I’m pretty sure they looted many relics during the Custodian visiting them.
There actually theory
That salamander must find all lost artifact of vulkan so they can trade it with vulkan it self with blood ravens
It's either in the Bloody Magpies' nest or Trazyn's spacefaring musem.
@@Jon_the_Wizard well those 2 are in somekind of prank (steal) war so......
I doubt that, Blood Ravens are known for stealing, not discovering.
The real artifacts were the friends we made along the way
Unironically right up his alley
Knowing vulkan this might actually be the case
Maybe alpharius was the firend we made along the way
Ben Siener I’m sorry
Ha ha ha
Wait wait wait, one of the Vulkan's creations is just....a ship? An entire ship? That's probably at least a couple kilometers long? He built it himself?
Wat.
Probably designed it and layed the first beam.
SanguisDiabolus he was just that good
@@romeman10 I can imagine him making it all by his own. He is a primarch after all, and would build his own forge
Why are you surprised? These guys are demi-gods. It isn't too fanciful in this setting for them to literally pluck the stars from the sky.
3 of the artifacts first introduced Vulcan carried or wore (spear, gauntlet, cloak) so suddenly a Mount Everest-fudging spaceship does seem a rather aburpt escalation.
VULKAN LIVES
*STOMP STOMP*
VULKAN LIVES
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VULKAN LIVES
*STOMP STOMP*
VULKAN LIVES
*STOMP STOMP*
VULKAN LIVES
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VULKAN LIVES
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VULKAN LIVES
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everyone says *VULKAN LIVES* , but no one ever says *HOW IS VULKAN*.
@@dino-hunterxx7193 Hes dead
V U L K A N L I V E S
*S T O M P S T O M P*
Dino-hunterXX Why is Vulkan
Congratulations my friends, through the power of friendship you have found all of the artifacts, and now I will help the Imperium no mater what the voices in my head say.
YOU ARE WEEEAAAAAK VUUUULKAN!
Shut your not face! Brain Ghost Ferrus! You are not friend!
Adventure!
*VULCAN LIVES !!! STOMP STOMP !!!*
Anirban Chakrabarti Vulkan is dead, AGAIN!
Vulkan: "Congratulations, my friends! Through the power of friendship, you have found all of the artifacts! And now I have returned, to bring peace and friendship to the entire Imperium... No matter what the voices in my head say!"
*Ferrus appears out of nowhere*
Ferrus: "YOU ARE WEEEAK VULKAN."
Vulkan: "Shut your not - face, brainghost Ferrus! You are not friend..."
The Lazy person. YES, YYEEESSS, I DID IT I AM BEST FORGE FATHER “entire chapter starts stomping the ground while chanting vulkan lives
@@sanstheskeleton8104 VULKAN LIVES (stomps two times)
Salamanders: were did dad go?
Hive Fleet Behemoth: (run through the door) TAKE YOUR DAD BACK (throws Vulkan) HE’S BEEN BOPPING US NONE STOP!
BOOOOOOOOP!!!!!
Definitely would be constantly booping snoots.
Unlimited tyranids + bopping = unlimited bopping
Send in the ultramarines to find them
They already have the artifacts
I CATO SICARIOUS will not fail! For I CATO SICARIOUS is the best swordsman of all ultramarines..Cato SICARIOUS
@@aaroncotton8307
I CAST FIST
@Loc T it's a joke from the "If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device". It's a tongue in cheek reference to how the Ultramarines never fail at anything.
can't wait to see if they actually do manage to find Jagatai Khan.
Remliz: the Engine of Woes could be a super heavy tank-...
Meanwhile on some random Death World: (Blood Ravens driving a Green Prius) WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO! THIS IS AN EXCELLENT RELIC FOR THE CHAPTER BROTHERS!
Ah, but is that the _original,_ or one of a half-thousand shoddy knock-offs that the Salamanders "let" (forced) the Blood Ravens "maintain" (keep)?
I always saw the Engine of Woes as some kind of Weapon of Mass Destruction, where perhaps it needs to be projected into a star and it starts a chain reaction that results in a supernova, destroying an entire solar system. Not a bomb in itself but a device that engineers the collapse of the stars inner core thermonuclear fusion process. I suppose there are probably easier ways to make a star go supernova though. I dunno why but the name "Engine of Woes" just sounded far too grand to just be a vehicle.
And some say that the Engine of Woes has a mysterious bird-man inside of it
With very greasy hair
@@CommanderSharpEye And bad poetry.
@@Restilia_ch CAAAAAWWW! NEVERMORE! CAAAAAAWWWW!
OtakuMage who smells of ammonia
It is really quiet
Yes
All jokes aside, the engine of woes sounds like some sort of titan or knight to me as titans are referred to as engines.
PRIMARCH KNIGHTS
Everybody always forgets about ordinatus platforms :(
Artillery wins wars
I'm thinking an emperor class or something even bigger seeing as how they describe it has a destructive force never before unleashed. This makes me feel something BIGGER then emperor class Titan. Which is absolutely terrifying
@@SexyTimeWithTaylor The Castigator-class Titan was bigger than Emperor-Class Titans, so I am betting something around that size.
@@robertnelson9599 I'm not sure where your getting your info. But everything I've read about the castigator is that the only unique feature about it was that it's head was above the shoulders instead of the center of the chest. Everything I've found (I just went and double checked) says the imperator Titan is the biggest of the emperor class Titans and the biggest Titans in Warhammer 40k I haven't been able to find ANY info about the castigator being bigger. Only that it's head sat above the shoulders.
The real question should be how Vulkan kept a void-faring forge ship in a vault on a moon.
It was a really big vault. You do realize that even with the immense size of ships in the Imperium, moons are bigger still.
White scars: Tell us of this "Obsidian chariot".
Vulkan: YOU GET A BIKE AND YOU GET A BIKE
It's just a battleline of bikes glued together
Yes please.
Engine of woes sounds like a titan that was forged after the istvaan V drop site massacre "It withholds a wrath never unleashed" makes me think it has a cannon which fires vortex rounds/charges
Just send the Ultramarines. They could pull it off blindfolded and hogtied while Cato Sicarius sang his own praises in alto-tenor.
We will “help” if they need some assistance
@@soliar5209 NO! YOU BLOODY MAGPIES HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT BELONGING TO OTHER CHAPTERS AND FACTIONS TO FILL AN ENTIRE TOMB-WORLD'S QUOTA OF NOOKS AND CRANNIES!
Nick Craig they “willingly” gift it for us
@Ben Siener
>Implying you should ever be using a Geller field.
Imperials are so uptight... 🤐
3:55 wait... a cape made from animal hide was considered an artifact as dangerous as an entire space ship that Vulcan considered destroying it to protect the galaxy from it?
That one might have been an exception along with the gauntlet. Both were equipped by Vulcan when he went to go fight, and Vulcan wanted to destroy the artifacts before he went to go fight. He might not have even considered them to be artifacts due to how mundane they are compared to the others.
It’s made from Kesare, the giant fuck-off drake that Vulkan killed himself. It is completely, COMPLETELY impervious to flame. It may not be on the level of Vulkan’s Eye, but it’s still pretty cool.
@@jamarswope2341 , Sounds about right
The Cape and Gauntlet where not artifacts in the vault he showed. He said seven of the artifacts in there could be kept. Those, plus his cape and gauntlet, become the nine artifacts of Vulkan.
Well, yeah, but it looked so _cool!_
I really want the Salamanders to find the last of the Artefacts so we can learn what they are. Also great video.
I could see it being that once they found all 7 it sends out a deep tone psychic message to Vulkan telling it's time to come home your son's found your toys
BLOOD RAVENS! GET OVER HERE! DON'T ACT INNOCENT, THIS WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME!
What we havent steal those thing ...
"yet"
We don't steal, we "receive" gifts, big difference
The Engine of woes could be an unused dreadnought, it’s never been unleashed and fits the description of the engine
One more artifact is the copy of the game know as
BATTLEMACE 42 MILLION
THAT IS-
@@leojaksic8372 JUST
@@theVulcanGuy STUPID!
@@theodoreslavo5385 Hahahahaha! You are right friends!
Half-life 3
What if the engine of woes, is the talisman Vulkan gave the emperor on Terra? It was the ultimate fail safe in case Terra fell and would deal chaos a blow from which it could not recover. Woe indeed.
What? Explain
I come to watch this overnight and over again. Too much AWESOMENESS.
VULKAN LIVES!!
🔥🔥🦎🦎🔥🔥
the obsidian chariot is just a *really* supped up Harley overbuilt to be usable by Vulkan
Trazyn: What wonderful collectibles. May I inspect that pointy stick?
Forge Father: Sure *(Melts off Trazyn's face)*
PoodleScone Ahaha, it’s funny because he actually tried to steal it from He’Stan before
@@weldonwin But that's not the real Trazyn, just a proxy. He doesn't care.
He's tried to steal it twice.
I made a mistake Vulkan is still alive.
the Engine of Woes obviously contains some kind of plate clad pelican
VULKAN LIVES
...
And he's trying to find his lost keys.
Great video. Interesting to see what the artifacts might be. All I know is the engine of woes is a nippy little number for getting around town...and dropping onto Primarchs
Missing artifacts?.... Blood Ravens, we’re looking in your direction...
In the Blood Raven's defense, I would assume that one is normally carried by Vulkan himself, just so that he doesn't have to worry about fulfilling and promises or prophecies before he's ready.
Alternatively look at trazyn the infinite troll-overlord
Or at the iron hands i've heard that they have got soo butthurted for what happened at the drop site massacre that they started searching, hiding and even trying to stop the salamanders from retrieving the artifacts
I will say it before and I will say it again.
One of them is currently serving as the home of a certain shaggy plate clad pelican
Perhaps the Salamander's should take a look at Blood Ravens vaults. Just saying...
Imagine if Vulkan had fallen to chaos, there would have been no chance for the imperium.
screams in Roboutian Hersey
Does the Song of Entropy sound like Hrud technology?
So if he imbued part of his essence into the artifacts would they be like shards? What would happen if a shard was used like the one of Magnus used to create the Grey Knight? Would that be possible? Or would combining the shards allow Vulcan to once again become a perpetual? Sorry just random thoughts
Vulcan never stopped being Perpetual, so not sure what you mean by once again.
@@KadRSP There's a certain Perpetual killing dagger + emperor needing to revive Vulcan with his own powers that would like to know your location.
Purely to ask where you're keeping the boop Meister.
@@KadRSP I guess I'm just thinking that since he hasn't been seen since apparently dying during the War of the Beast that maybe all that's left would be his essence imbued within the shards. Perpetuals have died and he's been gone for a long time.
Could one of the artifacts be a Dreadnaught intended for Vulkan himself?
I do find it odd that we dont have at least 1 Dreadnaught Primarch.
The default reactions of people fighting opposing primarchs are either "Run away!" or "Kill it with fire!", so you just kinda assume that people who kill a primarch don't leave enough behind for a dreadnought.
Also Vulkan is a perpetual, so even if he died. He would just come back again. No need for a Dreadnought as cool as that would be.
He built one dreadnaught for the first legion master when he was united with the Legion. Which is still in the use by the chapter
Tho a primarch inside a dreadnaught could be interesting, vulken is the 2° most powerful prepetual in the galaxy
I had the idea ages ago about what if Alpharius or Omegon turned out to have gotten themselves interred in an Ultramarine or Imperial fist dreadnaugh. Since those two are the ones to allegedly have killed Alpharius. Could be cool as hell.
*Vulkan's stuff is missing*
Everyone: "Have you checked the Blood Raven's pockets?"
What has the bird gots in its pocketses?
The engine of woe could be a titan. Sporting close to exterminatus firepower.
Imperator it's a counter to Vulkan himself if his snoot bopping ever got out of control
Good grief, Vulkan's tinkers are so broken.
0:34
He's also skilled in the art of the hug.
I feel like I'm triggering a fight, but I have to ask:
Who's the greater master of the forge: Ferrus Manus or Vulkan?
Lord Bloodraven Vulkan
Ferrus because Vulcan wouldn’t want to hurt his feelings
@@timtim6373 Vulkan wouldn't care. Ferrus is a traitor and a heretic. If anything, Vulkan should revel in the opportunity to bring down the hammer of justice (pun intended) upon his brother.
Both are equally good it's just down to their techniques. For example, if Ferrus built a power sword, it would cleave through armor like nothing, but it would look quite dull. If Vulkan built a power sword, it would be equally as strong, but with fine detailing and personal touches/componants integrated inside
@@Epicmonk117 Ferrus Manus is not a traitor. He was the Primarch of the Iron Hands, and got killed by Fulgrim on Istvann.
8:47 or Vulken did a no no and gave it an AI
I think the engine of woes might be a Siege weapon because in human history engines are generally referred to as Siege. The obsidian Chariot could be some sort of ship or vehicle made out of Blackstone. I think Vulcan is just hiding waiting for his sons to find all the artifacts because Vulcan wants to give his kids are good scavenger hunt.
A very extremely awesome video as always 40k Theories.
One day, in the far flung future, Artefact format will make itself known again...
And when it does, Vulcan WILL return!
Pretty sure the remaining ones can be found by a new Forgefather...
hahahahaha You are right, artifacts are stupid. I intended their destruction, but a dear friend of old persuaded me otherwise. So I gave him the responsibility of securing them. I am unsure of what became of them after that.
“Why is it called the Engine of Woes?”
* sees the engine *
“Woah!”
just imagine how awesome it would be for vulcan to return and make the wargear for his fellow primarchs, the lion kitted out in panoply of war made by vulcan himself would be a fearsome foe for any deamon primarch
I feel that the Unbound Flame would be the last artifact to be found and that it would house something close to an Astropath or a psyker. One big psychic shriek, then big daddy Vulkan reawakens and makes his way back home
Red Lion since they call themselves the Sanctioned Flame
Listening to this while making my version of the obsidian chariot. I've based it on a baal predator (for the flamers) and removed the back spar to open the back up. I'm going to paint it gloss black with gold trim and some flame details.
I've always thought the Obsidian Chariot was some kind of special high quality jump pack. Historically a chariot hasn't been used to carry a large number or people like a land raider or house heavy weapons like a predator tank. They are fast light vehicles used to move around a battle field like a jetpack would allow you to do. That said, your idea of it being a two man attack bike is more accurate now that I think about it. Ancient chariots typically had a dedicated driver and dedicated archer or spear man to actually do damage, just like an attack bike.
Also, calling it now, the chariot is made of Blackstone. Vulkan was the only human who knew the properties of it.
While I agree with you, I think you are using the term human a little loosely here.
@@KadRSP primarchs aren't human at all, they are warp beings.
Great video as always, thanks!
Just for the sake of nitpicking, in 13:43 you said "Unbound Flame was one of seven items forged by Vulkan". Shouldn't still be nine?
I think the unbound flame is vulkan himself
The Obsidian Chariot could also be a suit of armor, perhaps with a jetpack as the term 'chariot' simply implies protective personal transportation. A vehicle requires fuel and ammunition for its weapons, while a suit of armor, perhaps with an infinite power source would fit more along the lines of something worth preserving by a master smith.
salamanders: have the vault with the artifacts heavily guarded
blood ravens who probably have the other artifacts just thrown into their vaults with a bunch of other "gifts": its free real estate
Can you do a video on the true role of the primach's in the Emperors' vision? Magnus was meant to be the battery to the golden throne, and Vulkan the weapon smith. But that still leaves 18(-2).
VULCAN LIVES
*STOMP STOMP*
I have nothing to base this on, but I've always had a hunch The Unbound Flame was something to do with an artificial sun that Vulkan created
The engine of woes is an old VW bus. It won't die, it rarely goes, it seats 8 marines but they have to take their shoulder armor of to get in the door, and he gifted it to the emperor so they can't just scrap it.
Will you do a video about the xana incursion and the reanimated astartes? :)
Boop the snoop
No Vulcan. Do not boop the marry suicide toad.
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The Obsidian Chariot is likely black as thats is the primary color people think of when they think obsidian. But obsidian can also be brown, green, blue, red. orange, yellow or even "rainbow" where the color can change depending on the viewing angle. Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.
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Ok if I ever get into 40k, I am buying a few salamanders and scratch-building the artifacts of vulkan, specifically the obsidian chariot and engine of woes (which i want to think is a custom imperial knight designed to be piloted by an astartes), I want to try and make that.
So these are like Vulkan's Horcrux's? I still think he's going to come back as a mega drednaught of some sort. More loyal primarchs need to come back from vacation.
Vulkan is a perpetual meaning that hes litteraly immortal and unkillable soo hi don't see the reason to be interred in a dreadnought other than troll the heretics and xenos who though he was just another loyalist dreadnought only to then pop out of the damaged dreadnought chestbuster style and maul everybody before they have time to react
This video, with all due respect, is incorrect at the end of the novel the salamanders locate the ships with, the brothers, and the weapons aboard. I always thought that Vulcan created new weapons. To be honest I’m glad you made a video because I thought that the weapons created in the book were not the 7 of Vulcan and that he made new weapons in his return to noctrine. Also the unbound flame is Vulcans name.
Bear in mind that in the novels epilogue (titled "The Broken Chalice", though I'm not sure if this part is exclusive to the special edition or not admitedly), which is set long after the Horus Heresy (due to the bodies of slain space marines wearing armour that was "far older than any (Ko'tan) had ever seen" and the metallurgical analysis conducted upon the ship itself dating it as 10,000 years old), describes the modern day salamanders discovering the Chalice of Fire and the Eye of Vulkan, but the vaults within the ship were otherwise empty, the other artefacts being long gone.
The special edition version of the novel also states in the fold out colour section that the seven items were indeed the Spear of Vulkan, Chalice of Fire, Eye of Vulkan, Unbound Flame, Song of Entropy, Engine of Woes and Obsidian Chariot. Since the Chalice of Fire and Eye of Vulkan are specifically name dropped as being the ship and it's laser in the epilogue of Sons of the Forge, and that the Spear of Vulkan was later recovered by He'stan, it's safe to assume that these seven are indeed the ones chosen by T'kell.
When Vulkan returned to Nocturne following the events of Imperium Secundus, the only item he would forge would be the Talisman of Seven Hammers whilst under the influence of The Emperor himself (which would go on to be installed into the Golden Throne itself)
Post Heresy he may have created more artefacts (we know he would at some point forge the hammer Doom Tremor after all) but until confirmation arises, it remains purely speculative.
40K Theories I didn’t know that. I believe Vulcan was told that t’kell left and he may have tracked down the ships to redistribute the artifacts. I always thought Vulcan wrote the tomb of fire after the hersey. If that is the he had have discovered the forge masters ship then, redistribute the relics, and then wrote the tomb. The flaw of my theory was that no 40k salamander was seen using the artifacts, aside the Forge father, such as the song of entropy. However, I believe the last artifact, the chalice of fire, will be Vulcan as we learned in old earth is his code name. the question is does the emperor know where vulcan is? he knows were the loin is, does he know were vulcan is? would he resurrect vulcan like he did throughout the Hersey. i always thought that if the forge master or chapter master told guilliman about the tomb of fire that gulliman might launch the vulcan crusade, not only to get the artifacts, but get another brother back to make his job a little less impossible.
40k theories your videos are awesome and well informed. You were correct in samartar, in the Konrad cruz book states that Conrad saw sementar future and it ended positively. id love for you to do a video on sanguaniious and konrad visions and how they work. i got the impression from konrad book that when he met you he saw how you would die. i also thought when he fought sanguiness that they saw each other moves, like jedi do in star wars, due to there visions. or a video on the psychic awakening, what is it? why should we excited? will the loin come back?
What if, the unbound flame was a psychic hood to amplifier Vulkens ability or for his one eyed brudda man Magnus as a gift to cheer him up after the magic ban by Big E
Is Decimus prophet of the eighth, the bringer of the rhana dandra?
Trying to think of what the object could be solely based on the name "Obsidian Chariot" honestly invokes images of space-faring vessels made of Blackstone to me.
Engine of Woes now comes with 1 raven haired boi
So rad, wonder what the obsidian chariot looks like.
I am betting one of these relics is in the Blood Ravens relicquary.
What’s the name of the song in the background
The engine of woes could be something similar to a mechanivore
Could the key Vulcan gave to the emp be the engine of woe?
i really hope the Khan rides out of the webway on a midnight black jetbike(obsidian charriot) lands on nocturn and in very heavily accented chogorin "tell my brother i didn't scratch it" then just leaves.
What's the song playing in the background? Sounds epic.
Obsidian chariot idea: a mobile Fortress-monastery
Guaranteed one of them was the gigantic bong he used to defeat the Beast
I believe the engine of woes to be either some sort of weapon that can level planets or solar systems, maybe something to do with overloading a star, or that it is perhaps a type of artificial intelligence or an example of it that Vulkan created, and is ashamed of for failing in his own eyes, or ashamed for creating something that is too perfect, an anathema to mortal life. The unbound flame being carved on the coffin of Vulkan could refer to something like the philosopher's stone, immortality or its like, maybe a regenerative organ, implant, etc. It could also be an unstoppable conflagration, a weapon of fire that cannot be quenched, or even warpflame.
"We're halfway there"...
The song "Angels of Death" -
Would a Space marine with geneseed taken freshly from a primarch be the same as the geneseed in the vaults of terra? Would a primarch like corax who has embraced the warp have different geneseed than himself 10,000 years ago?
Yeah man the warp is described in multiple books as directly affecting the dna makeup of individuals, there's a few iron warriors and word bearers novels that describe exactly that situation as fabius bile and hon sou was saying that they needed to raid imperial fists and others geneseed as the iron warriors and word bearers geneseed was too mutated from the warp to actually make more space marines from the fallen
I would totally look for them.
Stave? That's an interesting way to pronounce staff.
They’re interchangeable words you cunt
What's the song?
Stealth capability, that's more a Raven Guard thing.
I wonder if the Engine of Woes is some sort of Dreadnought. Or as others are saying, a Titan. "Wraith that has never been unleashed" could also be describing the "pilot" (I know, wrong verbiage) entombed within one of the machines. But I would have to think that the machine spirit within is so bonkers that it would make TTS Vulkan seem like a smart and reasonable man.
I think that while the Da’kir theory is mostly unlikely, the Salamanders believe in the Circle of Fire, a cycle of death and rebirth. If this cycle results in true reincarnation, then it is possible that what Vulkan forged could have become Da’kir millennia later. Perhaps he reached such an incredible level of craftsmanship that he was able to forge a soul?
The obsidian chariot is clearly going to be a complete STC of a Improved Gloriana class or some form of Imperial class Titan it’s armour is impenetrable it doesn’t sound like a jet bike
Whatever happened to the salamander series that states the unbound flame is a potent salamander psychic
A link would be nice
Vulcan-the smith of the Gods.
I always imagined that either the Unbound Flame or the Engine of Woes where something massive. A ship - perhaps on the scale of a Gloriana class battleship or the Imperator Somnius - armed with an immense bow mounted weapon capable of projecting ethereal fire at enemy ships - or worlds. Sort of an anathema to the Planet Killer or Blackstone Fortresses, or the unimaginable and vast foes from the Dark Age of Technology or alien empires Vulkan probably had in mind when he designed it. A Vulcan built tank or automaton would still be cool though
One more artifact is missing however: *The Super Snooter Booper*
@@harrysmith1711 see, the Imperium needs space flamers with good enough range to toast the Tyranids when they enter the galaxy.
What if the Engine was either
1) A reusable weapons system that exceeded the destructive power of an exterminatus, such as potentially complete annihilating an entire planet to its core, leaving nothing behind
Or 2) a Smart Car with Corvus Corax shoved inside?
An environmentally friendly Euro Hatchback! 🔥 🚗 🔥
Could the engine of woe not be some kind of nuke?
Did anyone check out their local Prius dealership? If a green one has constant bouts of Emo poetry being spoken out of it I think you may have found the Engine of Woes.
If I was a warrior of substantial strength and skill in the 40k Universe I'd definitely want a weapon made by The Salamanders. If given the choice though I'd 10000% want it to be crafted by Vulcan himself.