I personally believe that these hollow worlds were created by some branch of the Necron heirachy. Since they have been connected to other hollow worlds before. For instance: In "Sons of the Hydra" the main characters go to either the core worlds (i.e. the worlds closest to the galactic midpoint) or the Halo Stars (The worlds on th edge of the galaxy). Where they encounter a hollow world, filled with necron architecture. The area in which it is located is also noteworthy for one more thing. The entire area has no connection to the warp. On the flip-side. It could also have been pre-Strife humanity who made the hollow worlds. Not really for any reason besides "Why not?"
I completely forgot that the Necron homeworld in Sons of the Hydra was also a hollow world. Good catch! Though while the Necrons have made at least one hollow world, the one in Sons of the Hydra is, as you said, rife with Necron architecture, but the ones of the Lastrati System are (seemingly) not. If I recall correctly, wasn't that world's lack of connection to the warp due to the fact the world itself had a number of Pylons?
The whole system was teeming with pylons. It was so powerful that even the possessed space marines temporarily lost their daemonic inhabitants. It reached the point where as the psyker of the group says something along the lines of: "this whole system is like a gigantic black hole for psycic energy."
Not really. Have you watch the old version of spiderman 2? Investigate that and in theory, it could be possible to create a miniture sun. However, it also implies that said sun may destroy everything in thousands of kilometers, since the gravitational field can be too wide, and it can even go supernova becoming as dangerous as a nuclear bomb. So, the ones that did this could been: A branch of Necrons that got tired of making everything rectangular and wanted to make experiments with spheres, the old ones researching stuff, or humans during the dark age of technology
@@DelightfulTyrant Its stupid the idea of humans creating a minisun or its stupid that the necrons decided to make spherical things for the first time? Dude, humans can do a lot of amaizing shit, just give them some time
@@Loydthehighwayman do not use Spider Man as a source for science. Fusion reactors do not work like that. You want a miniature sun? Kugelblitz black hole of an asteroid mass, inside a tungsten orb, hawking radiation keeps it kicking out x rays and heating the tungsten to white heat for a million or so years, would be perfect as a fake sun, for a hollow earth.
The Necrons tend to be big on branding. Their architecture and tech always has a particular, mildly unsettling style. When in doubt, it's always something left over by the Old Ones. Maybe to shelter and hide survivors against The War In Heaven or the Enslavers.
@@terryfeynman I thought in 40k the answer is always....it was, is or they are descended from Ultramarines. But yes we do have few primordial super races in 40k. We have the Old Ones, the Necrontyr/Necron and later the Alderi. But nothing else and that makes the galaxy seem a little flat and its history empty. Yeah the War in Heaven destroyed a lot, but it would nice to for stories about things left behind by other ancient races approaching the Old One's/Necrons power.
Hayden Martinez those from today: yes. But back in the dark age of tech, they could do some serious trickery. One of them involves aiming a missile or whatever from the past to hit something it shouldn’t in the now moment.
Another human ship based DAoT weapon is a chrono singularity weapon that allows you to capture a target trying to escape and move it a second into the past superimposing the target over its self on an atomic level with catastrophically brutal results .... As seen on the Adeptus Mechanicus Forge ship the Esperanza PS i know the ships name is spelled differently but in my mind i read esperanza and the name kinda stuck :P
@@demonicpain10 To quote the Archeovist of the Solomance Galleries - Trayzn the Infinite: "My people? They were Nepheru....Little better than you primitives, in their way"
2 things I think were missing. 1) they could have been made by Humanity during the dark age of technology. 2) They could have been made by the men of stone/iron, For humanity but never colonized because the war broke out soon after they were built.
Most likely? A rather bored Necron Dynasty or Old One. That or we can blame the Forerunners for making a technological marvel and not leaving an easily decipherable instruction manual. _Again._
@@NecrosAcolyte Can't The Flood emit a corruptive signal once they reach a critical mass? I believe that once they achieve Grave-Mind levels of sentience their pure forms and converted combat forms (as well as any other organic and/or electronic construct either created or assimilated) passively emit a signal that slowly turns AI into the allies of the Flood, but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I've read the lore.
@@NecrosAcolyte Yeah, the Forerunners took the Precursors going: "Nah, we're giving Ancient Humanity the Mantle of Responsibility instead" about as well as the Necrons took the Old Ones refusal to give them the secret to that sweet nigh-immortal longevity the big Space Toads had. Meaning they flipped their shit and proceeded to exterminate the entirety of the Precursor race (which came back to bite them when the defective Precursor dust fragments mutated into the Precursors abominable "descendants" known as the Flood and proceeded to wreck everyone's shit. The Haloverse is lucky the Flood are no longer true Precursors, otherwise current-day Haloverse would have been consumed by Halo 3. Weaponized Precursor Star Roads were OP as hell even by 40k War-in-Heaven standards.) *Side note:* Lexicanium has this line: "As the Old Ones passed through the cosmos, a number of younger and fiercer races developed within their wake, including the Necrontyr, who struggled in their colonisation of other worlds." It kinda implies some of the Old Ones might have been responsible for uplifting the Necrontyr in the first place and then left them developmentally crippled from a space-faring perspective. If true, the whole Necron/Forerunner comparison feels a lot more accurate than I first realized. I guess that makes the Orks comparable to the Flood (even though the Flood's origins are more accidental than the deliberate "FUCK YOU!" - _Signed, the Old Ones_ to the 40k galaxy that the Krorks/Orks are post-War in Heaven.)
For some reason I just want to see the Lamenters fight the Red Corsairs, with Malakim Phoros giving into the Black Rage seeing Huron Blackheart as Horus with Huron even trying to tempt Malakim into joining the Ruinous Powers.
But all of the 41st millennium the lamenters are on penitence in the death watch right? I don't think the ordo xenos would really get involved with chasing down chaos marines
+knightofficer They were on a penitent crusade, if I’m remembering right, disallowed from recruiting new astartes and essentially fighting constantly anywhere they can until the crusade was finally concluded at the end of M41. They weren’t inducted into the deathwatch.
+William Blowers Yes, ‘now’ they are, weather it’s the end of M41 or early M42 is still in question. If it’s late M41 they’ve been forgiven since 800.M41, if it’s early M42 then they were forgiven in 999.M41.
One possibility that you might want to consider is the Saruthi. While this may be a bit far fetched, it is known that they had a small empire at one point. They also are capable of building worlds within worlds as shown in the Eisenhorn books. The race has also shown the capability to exceed the speed of even the webway with their teleportation gateways allowing them to link the worlds they use together. The biggest problem is the fact that the worlds are not 4 dimensionally stretched, however, this could be due to the this being made before they were fully corrupted by the energies within the Necroteuch. The possibility is still there that this is somehow their creation, perhaps used to farm different resources for their home world.
Yeah I think the dark age of technology humanity could easily construct artificial megastructures on the scale of planets pretty easily. They might be easier than actually terraforming worlds in some cases.
The old ones evolved beyond everything to the level of Celestials in the Marvel universe. They did experiments and created races that might not have survived.
I wonder if the warp and the chaos gods exist in other galaxies, or if other galaxies have their own versions of chaos gods owing to the vast swathes of empty void that separates galaxies.
This is my first time hearing about these. Wow. But honestly I too think the Old Ones are a very likely candidate for being the creators of the Hollow Worlds. With their warp-based techno-magic engineering, wouldn't be surprised if they were the ones behind them.
I feel like modern 40k study of the unknown is broken into two main fields, know as "I don't know?" and "I don't care." 1. _IDK? Old Ones?_ 2. *IDC. Heresy!*
The key would probably be to examin how the transportation technology functions. If it's teleportation, then Necrons. If it's a warp gate network, then the Old Ones.
I would say that its more of a warp gate. In the book its shown that they are affected by the rotation of the planets and can only be used at sertain times of day and you can see trough em.
During the golden age of technology humanity achieved technological wonders rivaling that of the Eldar. Who says humans didn't create the Hollow Worlds?
with that artificial sun encased away from the galaxy at large I wonder whether it was some sort of facility for researching the development (and therefor weaknesses of) "Sun Gods"
only downside to this theory is that the saruthi dont follow any form of symmetry that is conceivable to the human mind. Being as the system is colonised, youd have scores of the populace going mad because of it. Also the saruthi are corrupted by chaos and have odd abilities like smelling colour and tasting sound so i doubt they would make something as tangible like this as a permemant fixture. in Eisenhorn the realm they make for the meeting is constructed purly for that meeting.
No the Saruthi didn't make hollow worlds. Their architecture was 4-dimensional, meaning their constructs existed tangentially in multiple states of space-time. This effectively means that they could fit the space required to house a hive city's entire populace into a physical space the size of a modestly-sized city of our age. If you want to understand the logistics of it better, I advise playing Stellaris using Twink's Eternal Empire mod. The housing buildings provide 40 housing and yet take up the same space as normal luxury buildings (which give 4 housing), simply because the whole thing is the entire principle of the TARDIS applied to housing and living space.
Sort of. Yes they contain a sun within themselves but a Dyson Sphere is a means of generating power by trapping a star. While the hollow worlds are...inside out planets
4:16 Another point to the worlds possibly being creations of Dark Age Humanity is the material. In the story where the Salamanders went into the subterranean fortress complex of the Caucuses wastes during the Unification Wars, they eventually encounter a robot that has tentacles so large even one could crush a battle titan to flatness. The machine was said to be armored in a substance called "Black Diamond" as it arose from the Magma. Maybe the structure of the worlds is made of that, or at least of something similar such as black glass or phase-iron (both antipsychic DAOT materials)
Could have been that race that made the hunter/killer hounds. (Tandalosi I think they were called.) From the gods of mars trilogy, they had tech similar to necrons.
@@40KTheories A batshit insane magos has 3 mechanical hounds which regenerate and have anti-psyker mechanisms in place. The Eldar call them servants of the Yngir but later for some reason discard the idea.
I don’t know, my bet is on the Necrontyr, they were presumably looking for ways to extend their lives and rapidly evolve if I remember right. As for the material being glassy, it could still be the black material the Necrons traditionally use. By aligning the molecules properly you could in theory produce a semi-transparent or completely transparent version of any given substance. We’ve done this with aluminum ourselves so far. Perhaps they needed the material to have an exact molecular alignment for something very specific. It could be that with this specific alignment energy flows more freely, effectively increasing output, or even input. Who knows? The Old Ones could have possibly attacked the world, leaving a staticky warp like residue behind during some major battle during the war with the Necrons. That could explain why warp communications are so hard to use. Like trying to beam a modern day signal through a lightning storm. EDIT: With Necrons not exactly being all cozy with the warp this could explain a total abandonment of the site, including all constructs.
Burnished gold with symbols that flow like oil on glass? That sounds more chaos like to me. Although it may also have been constructed by any of the races that used the warp extensively, except for the Eldar. In conclusion I say that the race most likely to create a cluster of living artificial worlds would be the Old Ones. Or possibly dark age of technology humanity, but they didn't seem to be much for the whole "flowing symbol" aesthetic.
That's what thought too, it rings very similar to those worlds even the material used to build. The salruthi? Been a bit since I read but I think you're right.
No, they aren't. The Saruthi created that particular environment purely for the meeting. Their normal worlds were psionic worlds with 4-dimensional architecture. The Saruthi empire, even at its height, was still very local, so unless these hollow worlds were all found within the Helican sector exclusively, it is highly unlikely that the Saruthi even had anything to do with these hollow worlds.
Humanity made them during the Golden Age would be my guess. The Emperor states Fenris was made as an experiment in recreating old earth mythologies, and that thing does not have a natural orbit. I propose the Emperor was being literal and humanity built the planet. We used miniature black holes as weapons and Terra formed Mars and many other worlds into paradises before the collapse, creating a hollow planet with an artificial sun is not outside the capabilities of such a society. The Imperium also has teleportation technology. If we assume this technology was equally as advanced as the weapon technology as compared to the modern Imperium a teleportation system linking the planets seems reasonable, especially with an artificial planet worth of energy to power whatever makes them function. Maybe it's some kind of experimental network. At that point in history the A.I. would be doing design work and we don't know how the Men of Iron would have constructed things or what aesthetics they would have had. "Go build this thing in the ass end of nowhere and tell us how it turns out" sounds like a very human thing, and a type of straw there were probably many of before the camels back broke and the robots decided to go all murder face.
@@40KTheories Mentioned (sort of) in Wolfsbane when Big E and Horus discuss Leman Russ after just meeting him. 'Their highest art is the forging of steel,' admitted the Emperor. 'Their world has regressed to a pre-technological state, and if you saw it you would not be surprised why. It is a beautiful, savage place of ice, fire and monsters. A charming experiment in reconstructed mythologies.' 'What do you mean?' 'Fenris is a relic from the days before Old Night.'
I interpreted that as basically the Emperor saying "Fenris has become a fantastical version of Viking era Scandinavia on a planetary scale" by pointing out how similar much of Fenris is to ancient Norse mythology
@@40KTheories I suppose that is the beauty and vagueness of 40K, but I personally interpret it as something made by the old humans due to the wording (but again it is interpretable in many ways I suppose).
I can see both interpretations, but in the end I believe the planet is an engineered experiment. Within 40k planets not making sense is par for the course so Fenris' obviously unusual nature as a planet(plate tectonics, orbit) isn't really evidence but my gut tells me this is the beginning of a retcon. There's no real explanation I've ever come across besides at minimum an artificially crafted culture to explain why a planet colonized thousands of years in the future would universally follow a bastardized version of a religion that's been dead for centuries in our own time. I think GW is doing a lot of lore expansion atm and Fenris as a Golden Age experiment would be an interesting story to be uncovered, would explain the people if not the planet better, and fits with this new age of rediscovery brought on by Guillimans return. Could also have something to do with the Canis Helix not working on non fenrisians when they tried to found successor chapters but there being Terrans who became "Space Wolf" Legionaires before Russ was rediscovered on Fenris. If it was an experiment and one the Emperor was familiar with perhaps there is some minor genetic alterations inherent to Fenrisians that he had to create in Terrans before elevating them to proto Space Wolves Astartes. But that wraps around to Big E knowing his Primarchs would be scattered and where they'd be. Too much for me tonight. In conclusion I think we need to give golden age humanity the credit they are due when discussing most advanced races in the galaxy and various things like this said by the Emperor and some of the things the time traveling A.I. talk about seem designed to kinda restore that sense that humanity was so much more and perhaps more parts of that history will be coming to light in the future. Thanx for the video, the response, and to the other commentors. Night all
Were the necron constructs invented before or after the biotransferrence? If after, then the hollow worlds could be pre-war necrontyr structures which would explain the lack of constructs.
Great question for theories! I don't think that the Necrons make any sense, for largely the reasons that you explained. Also however, the Necrons don't reflect any necessity for one environment or another. Why would the Necrons develop the sort of technology to produce the hollow worlds? They are adapted well enough not to need them. There were a number of advanced races in the galaxy, of course including the Old Ones, but if one rules them out, who is left? The Eldar are the first candidate that springs to mind. They were the most capable of the created races of the Old Ones, wielding immense power and technology at their height. If we look back into Eisenhorn, there was a race of xenos, the Saruthi) that made self-contained environments in planets and asteroids. This race eventually fell entirely to chaos, but there was a time that they were not corrupt. They seem to be a possibility.
The theory that the Old Ones or possibly the Eldari created the Hollow Worlds can also be supported by the existence of the previously mentioned gateways that allow near instantaneous travel between the worlds, which is in many ways similar to the nature of the Webway. Not to the mention that if the Hollow Worlds were of Necron construction, then there would be no point in them having ecosystems, especially specifically different ones, considering the Necrons are not organic.
The hollow worlds may have been built by the Necrons before they where turned into what they are now. When livening they could have preferred the curve and when turned into zombie robots they turn their back on their former tastes completely and used straight lines everywhere.
I remember such world (or moon) is mentioned in the book "The hammer and Anvil" , when Miriya and her squad goes into the moon who is inhabited by necron and destroy it.
Were the Slan created in the image of the Old Ones, or do we know what either one looked like? I know the Fantasy Slan were toad like but I'm not sure if that carries over to 40k.
If it means anything I wrote this particular script about 2 months ago. I tend to prepare my scripts 4-6 weeks ahead of their scheduled recording date.
My guess is old ones, or eldari, before slenesh of course. We do know the old eldar where capable far more then they currently are. Both could build webways, which I believe is the main point of evidence to the makers
Theory, the Tyranids before they became horrid monstrosities. They were advanced, taking in young worlds, advancing them and taking their best qualities for themselves. But something went wrong and to save the Galaxy they helped to cultivate they fled to the farthest reaches of space....but they remember their creations and the biological need to reintegrate their creations like they do with their fallen is their drive home
Its proto-type eldar worlds. we know the dark eldar have the capability to move stars into the webway for their pocket realms. they would have had to start somewhere. and the weird metal/stone is an early form of wraithbone-like stuff that has fallen out of favour of use.
But at the same time the Aeldari have been shown to become highly aggressive should another race settle upon a Maiden World, even to the point of launching massive warhosts to drive human/t'au/whatever colonists away from them. If the worlds of the Lastrati system are of Aeldari origin, then why haven't they attempted to expel the humans living there?
Theory: they were built by the Necron'tyr. Not the robot skeleton Necrons, but the few living ones that survived for a time. I mean, they are probably made by the old ones, but let's throw a curveball.
!hey I just had a good idea and a question in 2008 to 2010 have you seen or watch a kids show on Cartoon Network called Battle force 5? Because in this show there are woulds called Battle Zones and they have lots of interesting inspired Fantasy themes that could be shown in a 40k/AOS illustrations.
he hollow worlds may be a krork construction, rokks and moons have been cored out by modern orks before and turned into transportation devices as seen in many books and the war of the beast. this would mean the korks bordered on incredibly powerful foes
Just a guess from someone who watches for the lore, perhaps it was humanity during the Golden age. I mean a world like this is hypothetically possible just not with our current technology. One thing I question is the size of the worlds to have an artificial sun not burn everything alive, and also have a stable magnetic field. It would have been a lot more believable if the planets we're spinning really fast to create gravity.
Maybe it was one of the Emperors secret projects as like a last bastion for humanity. It’s basically warp prof and it’s camouflaged against most races. With no stars and the appearance of dead worlds it’s perfect
lorzon true but a lot of stuff the Emperor has made should be physically impossible so a internal spherical ecosystem shouldn’t be that more far fetched
So, they're small Dyson Spheres? It's either Necrons or the Old Ones, they're the two most likely suspects. | 2:50 - Ironic, considering the history they have with each other...they're still good at slaughtering heretics.
.... question.... if the emperor's webway portal was reinforced with blackstone, and aligned to shut the portal and render it inactive, wpuld that then free the emperor to then maybe use his unknown powers as a perpetual to recover from his wounds? I am sure there is someone else that could temporarily guide the astronomicon, and have weak psykers power it as they did during the initial crusade when the emperor was leading the crusade.
Could have been used by the necrons for weapon testing since every one of those worlds can simulate every type of atmosphere, this would explain the absence of warriors and constructs.
The portals linking the Hollow Worlds remind me of the Warp Gates, which enabled the creation of the Araneus Continuity, during the Age of Strife. But, thats not much help. Aa the, presumed, creators of the Warp Gates were only seen during the Great Crusade. When they emerged from the Warp Gates to destroy the, newly compliant, Araneus Continuity. The xenos ship's were unrecognised by the Imperium. And haven't been seen since.
the worlds have a system allowing near instant travel between them, a system that can be recalibrated to change destinations. that is either direct warp travel or a webway system. if it is direct warp travel, then mutations, disapperances, daemonic possessions, or possibly even daemonic incursions would occur at least some of the time that people travel using the system, but this does not appear to be the case. a webway system would have none of these flaws, and is technology essentially unique to the old ones.
It's a bit preemptive to rule out other well-known races that were once more technologically advanced. Both the Aeldari and Humanity could have theoretically built these planets at the height of their power, during the dark age of technology and before the birth of Slaanesh
Personally I doubt the Aeldari had a hand in their creation, given how aggressive they become should any race settle upon their Maiden Worlds. Whenever humans or T'au have settled upon a Maiden World, the Aeldari almost immediately launch an assault to drive the colonists away. If the Aeldari created the Hollow Worlds then surely they would have attempted to expel the humans from them.
@@40KTheoriesThese 'planets' clearly aren't normal maiden worlds though. Could they have been kept secret, like a government experiment, and the Eldar somehow lost the knowledge of them in the fall? IDK, just speculating. Great video btw! I love your content
And considering how plot twists usually go in the 40k universe... upon arriving at this other galaxy they found every world stripped of all resources, and vast predator fleets roaming everywhere... and they were promptly gobbled up by the Tyraninds.
@@georgesulea well they cant be eldar... no wraithbone there or there and they are painfully territorial, so no chance of that. The old one hypothesis is intresting but practicly nothing from that age survived except the webway and thats due to its etherial construction His necron is plausible but only slightly. There have been times where minor xenos species attained great feats of tech and engineering, the chronoblade being one of them Hmmmmmmm my theory is that its humam archotech, i mean we have no info whatsoever on the lifeforms in the hollow planets but we can guess that whoever made the place made it with the conditions of being habitable, the makers of the place also blocked the place out of communications so they were trying to stay low, situation is, whoever lived in the planets either left the place ooor died in there and chances are that it is the latter because who would risk poking their snout when either a full machine rebbellion is going or your former enemies have transformed into skeletons of living metal and are budding with star gods to suck the life out of everything that breaths and doesnt breath, my opinion is that this is probably a human refugee planet of which residents died for some reason, 65 million years is way too much time for something of that size to survive.
It took me awhile to figure out you were saying orrery. There are tons of free resources online to check how to pronounce a word almost as easy as checking spelling. You should try that sometime :)
Can you do a video about necron lords like Szarekh trying to find compatible biological vessels to transfer their essence to? Did a deep dive on some wikis and found that tidbit
40K Theories “The silent king recognized them [Tyranids] as a major threat to his people’s chances of reconquering the galaxy and regaining their organic forms. It was Szarekh’s dream that the Necrons might find an organic species whose bodies might prove to be suitable vessels for Necron minds, thus finally ending the curse of biotransference” The wiki cites the 5th edition Necron and Blood Angels codices for sources warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Szarekh
Could be just a throwaway line, but begs further questions like what are the parameters of a “suitable” host, how would they achieve reverse biotransference, and possibly why Trazyn collects/catalogues so many life forms. At the same time why didn’t he simply transfer his essence to the Fulgrim clone?
IMHO. Old ones built them as proto planets for the burgeoning war. As mentioned in video, the jokaero, eldar, krork, and potentially more were implemented before the disappearance of the old ones, giving credence to the fact that in fantasy they could mold mountains, move continents, I'd imagine 40k offshoots can handle it as well. Olds ones either used these planets and the original occupants were moved off world, the world's were only gestated and not ready for life or what few experiments on world were killed off and despite being millions of years ago wouldn't necessarily make fossils in a planet without say... Volcanic activity to flash freeze bone to allow it to convert to calcium for aforementioned fossils to appear. Lastly, the sun's at the center of the hollow planets is another old one technology utilized on the fantasy setting, the a lizardman general uses a gauntlet that creates a stable star in his palm which can be rasenganed lol. Cool stuff but again not same verse just a possibility.
I personally believe that these hollow worlds were created by some branch of the Necron heirachy.
Since they have been connected to other hollow worlds before. For instance: In "Sons of the Hydra" the main characters go to either the core worlds (i.e. the worlds closest to the galactic midpoint) or the Halo Stars (The worlds on th edge of the galaxy). Where they encounter a hollow world, filled with necron architecture. The area in which it is located is also noteworthy for one more thing. The entire area has no connection to the warp.
On the flip-side. It could also have been pre-Strife humanity who made the hollow worlds.
Not really for any reason besides "Why not?"
I completely forgot that the Necron homeworld in Sons of the Hydra was also a hollow world. Good catch!
Though while the Necrons have made at least one hollow world, the one in Sons of the Hydra is, as you said, rife with Necron architecture, but the ones of the Lastrati System are (seemingly) not. If I recall correctly, wasn't that world's lack of connection to the warp due to the fact the world itself had a number of Pylons?
The whole system was teeming with pylons.
It was so powerful that even the possessed space marines temporarily lost their daemonic inhabitants.
It reached the point where as the psyker of the group says something along the lines of: "this whole system is like a gigantic black hole for psycic energy."
Yes of course!
Sorry, it has been a long while since I read that book xD
I am just happy to help.
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@@40KTheories Also Trazyn the Infinites collections are, as I recall, hollow worlds as well
I think Bioware built them. Anthem has proved they're very good at building hollow worlds.
I remember anthem was supposed to be a thing but I completely forgot what it was
did someone call the salamanders chapter, because somethings burning?
Oh shit cease fire jesus absolutely annihilated
**rimshot**
the anihlation faced on vraks is but a merest kiten scratch compared to this anihlation.
Could the Hollow Worlds perhaps be some form of STC artifact from humanity's golden age?
5 Space Wolves Companies working with an Inquisitor... the guy must have had a whole fleet of cargo ship full of dog threat.
Imagine how the wolves take this after the 'months of shame' incident caused by inquisitor kysnaros
Calling Space Wolves a shipload of dog threat is wonderful.
As a Wolf, I am offended.
We eat dog *food* , not dog *treats* you sodden fool.
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This is more than within DAoT human capabilities.
Not really. Have you watch the old version of spiderman 2? Investigate that and in theory, it could be possible to create a miniture sun. However, it also implies that said sun may destroy everything in thousands of kilometers, since the gravitational field can be too wide, and it can even go supernova becoming as dangerous as a nuclear bomb.
So, the ones that did this could been: A branch of Necrons that got tired of making everything rectangular and wanted to make experiments with spheres, the old ones researching stuff, or humans during the dark age of technology
@@Loydthehighwayman That is the dumbest thing in this entire comment section. Seriously, you sound like an idiot.
Doc Awful it’s not dumb, I literally just watched Spider-Man 2 a few hours ago and his logic checks out...
@@DelightfulTyrant Its stupid the idea of humans creating a minisun or its stupid that the necrons decided to make spherical things for the first time? Dude, humans can do a lot of amaizing shit, just give them some time
@@Loydthehighwayman do not use Spider Man as a source for science. Fusion reactors do not work like that. You want a miniature sun? Kugelblitz black hole of an asteroid mass, inside a tungsten orb, hawking radiation keeps it kicking out x rays and heating the tungsten to white heat for a million or so years, would be perfect as a fake sun, for a hollow earth.
The Necrons tend to be big on branding. Their architecture and tech always has a particular, mildly unsettling style. When in doubt, it's always something left over by the Old Ones. Maybe to shelter and hide survivors against The War In Heaven or the Enslavers.
that is what pisses me off about the old ones as solution : cannot explain it ? Probably the old ones. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
@@terryfeynman I thought in 40k the answer is always....it was, is or they are descended from Ultramarines. But yes we do have few primordial super races in 40k. We have the Old Ones, the Necrontyr/Necron and later the Alderi. But nothing else and that makes the galaxy seem a little flat and its history empty. Yeah the War in Heaven destroyed a lot, but it would nice to for stories about things left behind by other ancient races approaching the Old One's/Necrons power.
Could it also br possible that the worlds could have been made by humanity during the Dark Age of Technology?
I'm thinking the same.
NOOO WAYYY. Humans suuuuuck
Hayden Martinez those from today: yes. But back in the dark age of tech, they could do some serious trickery. One of them involves aiming a missile or whatever from the past to hit something it shouldn’t in the now moment.
Another human ship based DAoT weapon is a chrono singularity weapon that allows you to capture a target trying to escape and move it a second into the past superimposing the target over its self on an atomic level with catastrophically brutal results ....
As seen on the Adeptus Mechanicus Forge ship the Esperanza
PS i know the ships name is spelled differently but in my mind i read esperanza and the name kinda stuck :P
@@Phenixtri
The sperenza also removed whole systems from existence
Sometimes I forget that the Necrons built a star killing doomsday weapon. You'd think they'd of utilized that more.
Things like that seriously make one wonder as to why the Necrons haven't won already.
@@demonicpain10 I propose that it is due choose some ancient codes or something, necrons have been shown to possessivos fairly frequently.
@@demonicpain10 They're still rubbing the sleep from their eyes. Give them a few thousand years to drink some recaf and have their bagel.
@@demonicpain10 Well, destroying a world is one less world they can own.
@@demonicpain10 To quote the Archeovist of the Solomance Galleries - Trayzn the Infinite: "My people? They were Nepheru....Little better than you primitives, in their way"
2 things I think were missing.
1) they could have been made by Humanity during the dark age of technology.
2) They could have been made by the men of stone/iron, For humanity but never colonized because the war broke out soon after they were built.
Most likely? A rather bored Necron Dynasty or Old One. That or we can blame the Forerunners for making a technological marvel and not leaving an easily decipherable instruction manual. _Again._
Instead of not leaving a manual, i think Huron stole it in the book he knew pretty well how it worked
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Can't The Flood emit a corruptive signal once they reach a critical mass? I believe that once they achieve Grave-Mind levels of sentience their pure forms and converted combat forms (as well as any other organic and/or electronic construct either created or assimilated) passively emit a signal that slowly turns AI into the allies of the Flood, but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I've read the lore.
@@NecrosAcolyte Yeah, the Forerunners took the Precursors going: "Nah, we're giving Ancient Humanity the Mantle of Responsibility instead" about as well as the Necrons took the Old Ones refusal to give them the secret to that sweet nigh-immortal longevity the big Space Toads had. Meaning they flipped their shit and proceeded to exterminate the entirety of the Precursor race (which came back to bite them when the defective Precursor dust fragments mutated into the Precursors abominable "descendants" known as the Flood and proceeded to wreck everyone's shit. The Haloverse is lucky the Flood are no longer true Precursors, otherwise current-day Haloverse would have been consumed by Halo 3. Weaponized Precursor Star Roads were OP as hell even by 40k War-in-Heaven standards.)
*Side note:* Lexicanium has this line: "As the Old Ones passed through the cosmos, a number of younger and fiercer races developed within their wake, including the Necrontyr, who struggled in their colonisation of other worlds." It kinda implies some of the Old Ones might have been responsible for uplifting the Necrontyr in the first place and then left them developmentally crippled from a space-faring perspective. If true, the whole Necron/Forerunner comparison feels a lot more accurate than I first realized. I guess that makes the Orks comparable to the Flood (even though the Flood's origins are more accidental than the deliberate "FUCK YOU!" - _Signed, the Old Ones_ to the 40k galaxy that the Krorks/Orks are post-War in Heaven.)
Wwwoooowwwww! At some point, some bored techpriest is gonna find the composer and digitize the whole Tau empire!
Willy Wonkas ever lasting gob-stoppers have ascended
>Cue Hollow Earth theorists flocking to the channel and immediately being disappointed with that this isn’t a conspiracy theory
Either that or they somehow connect parts of their theory to some misunderstanding of warhammer 40k
Godzilla is a Bio-Titan
Hollow worlds?
"The Forerunners have returned."
Time was your ally human, but now it has abandoned you
As long as none of them were named Onyx, everything will be fine.
Alex Tiller onyx was pretty safe barring trespassing. The Shield World from Halo Wars, though. The Flood.
Maybe its an anti Tyranid measure? Looking barren from the outside while everyone lives inside would be a way to deter Tyranids landing
Funnily enough, Forgeworld Ryza did something like that.
I doubt it , the nids would undoubtedly evolve a special sensor or something more complex.
For some reason I just want to see the Lamenters fight the Red Corsairs, with Malakim Phoros giving into the Black Rage seeing Huron Blackheart as Horus with Huron even trying to tempt Malakim into joining the Ruinous Powers.
But all of the 41st millennium the lamenters are on penitence in the death watch right? I don't think the ordo xenos would really get involved with chasing down chaos marines
+knightofficer They were on a penitent crusade, if I’m remembering right, disallowed from recruiting new astartes and essentially fighting constantly anywhere they can until the crusade was finally concluded at the end of M41. They weren’t inducted into the deathwatch.
@@dashiellgillingham4579 Aren't the Lamenters past the hundred year mark and thus allowed to recruit again?
+William Blowers Yes, ‘now’ they are, weather it’s the end of M41 or early M42 is still in question. If it’s late M41 they’ve been forgiven since 800.M41, if it’s early M42 then they were forgiven in 999.M41.
One possibility that you might want to consider is the Saruthi. While this may be a bit far fetched, it is known that they had a small empire at one point. They also are capable of building worlds within worlds as shown in the Eisenhorn books. The race has also shown the capability to exceed the speed of even the webway with their teleportation gateways allowing them to link the worlds they use together. The biggest problem is the fact that the worlds are not 4 dimensionally stretched, however, this could be due to the this being made before they were fully corrupted by the energies within the Necroteuch. The possibility is still there that this is somehow their creation, perhaps used to farm different resources for their home world.
Dark Age of Technology Humanity.
Yeah I think the dark age of technology humanity could easily construct artificial megastructures on the scale of planets pretty easily. They might be easier than actually terraforming worlds in some cases.
The old ones evolved beyond everything to the level of Celestials in the Marvel universe.
They did experiments and created races that might not have survived.
I wonder if the warp and the chaos gods exist in other galaxies, or if other galaxies have their own versions of chaos gods owing to the vast swathes of empty void that separates galaxies.
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This is my first time hearing about these. Wow. But honestly I too think the Old Ones are a very likely candidate for being the creators of the Hollow Worlds. With their warp-based techno-magic engineering, wouldn't be surprised if they were the ones behind them.
I feel like modern 40k study of the unknown is broken into two main fields, know as "I don't know?" and "I don't care."
1. _IDK? Old Ones?_
2. *IDC. Heresy!*
3. Dark Age of Technology.
1 A.M? What a wonderful hour for a good 40k theory!
The key would probably be to examin how the transportation technology functions. If it's teleportation, then Necrons. If it's a warp gate network, then the Old Ones.
I would say that its more of a warp gate. In the book its shown that they are affected by the rotation of the planets and can only be used at sertain times of day and you can see trough em.
I swear the editor is trolling us with the random tau @ 9:35 while building up to dem old one big boys.
During the golden age of technology humanity achieved technological wonders rivaling that of the Eldar.
Who says humans didn't create the Hollow Worlds?
99 views as of my clicking, love your stuff as always man.
with that artificial sun encased away from the galaxy at large I wonder whether it was some sort of facility for researching the development (and therefor weaknesses of) "Sun Gods"
As mentioned before, in Eisenhorn they attack a saltruthi world that is hollow. With the same odd building material and odd symbols?
only downside to this theory is that the saruthi dont follow any form of symmetry that is conceivable to the human mind. Being as the system is colonised, youd have scores of the populace going mad because of it. Also the saruthi are corrupted by chaos and have odd abilities like smelling colour and tasting sound so i doubt they would make something as tangible like this as a permemant fixture. in Eisenhorn the realm they make for the meeting is constructed purly for that meeting.
No the Saruthi didn't make hollow worlds. Their architecture was 4-dimensional, meaning their constructs existed tangentially in multiple states of space-time. This effectively means that they could fit the space required to house a hive city's entire populace into a physical space the size of a modestly-sized city of our age. If you want to understand the logistics of it better, I advise playing Stellaris using Twink's Eternal Empire mod. The housing buildings provide 40 housing and yet take up the same space as normal luxury buildings (which give 4 housing), simply because the whole thing is the entire principle of the TARDIS applied to housing and living space.
So... they're Dyson Spheres?
Sort of.
Yes they contain a sun within themselves but a Dyson Sphere is a means of generating power by trapping a star.
While the hollow worlds are...inside out planets
No. They are "shield" worlds.
Dyson spheres surround suns.
If it is a Dyson sphere, everything living inside those "planets" should be dead.
@Ethan Lackey yes
This is more akin to the O'Neill cylinder. So... O'Neill spheres?
Sooo basically Dyson Spheres connected by Iconian Gateways.
no, this is the size of a planet with an artificial sun inside. A dyson sphere captures an actual real star in it, so it is on a whole other level.
4:16 Another point to the worlds possibly being creations of Dark Age Humanity is the material. In the story where the Salamanders went into the subterranean fortress complex of the Caucuses wastes during the Unification Wars, they eventually encounter a robot that has tentacles so large even one could crush a battle titan to flatness. The machine was said to be armored in a substance called "Black Diamond" as it arose from the Magma. Maybe the structure of the worlds is made of that, or at least of something similar such as black glass or phase-iron (both antipsychic DAOT materials)
The pylons were a Necron construction. The opening sequence to Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II makes that clear.
Could have been that race that made the hunter/killer hounds. (Tandalosi I think they were called.) From the gods of mars trilogy, they had tech similar to necrons.
I'll be honest, I still need to read that series
@@40KTheories A batshit insane magos has 3 mechanical hounds which regenerate and have anti-psyker mechanisms in place. The Eldar call them servants of the Yngir but later for some reason discard the idea.
@@40KTheories Get the Omnibus, series was excellent. So much cool historical tech came out in that series.
just getting into your channel liking the stuff so far
The necrons have a voodoo doll of the universe, Great that's all i need ro know.
So we have Dyson Sphere's, Maritroshka Brains and Ringworld when?
I don’t know, my bet is on the Necrontyr, they were presumably looking for ways to extend their lives and rapidly evolve if I remember right. As for the material being glassy, it could still be the black material the Necrons traditionally use. By aligning the molecules properly you could in theory produce a semi-transparent or completely transparent version of any given substance. We’ve done this with aluminum ourselves so far. Perhaps they needed the material to have an exact molecular alignment for something very specific. It could be that with this specific alignment energy flows more freely, effectively increasing output, or even input. Who knows? The Old Ones could have possibly attacked the world, leaving a staticky warp like residue behind during some major battle during the war with the Necrons. That could explain why warp communications are so hard to use. Like trying to beam a modern day signal through a lightning storm.
EDIT: With Necrons not exactly being all cozy with the warp this could explain a total abandonment of the site, including all constructs.
Burnished gold with symbols that flow like oil on glass? That sounds more chaos like to me. Although it may also have been constructed by any of the races that used the warp extensively, except for the Eldar. In conclusion I say that the race most likely to create a cluster of living artificial worlds would be the Old Ones. Or possibly dark age of technology humanity, but they didn't seem to be much for the whole "flowing symbol" aesthetic.
These worlds are like the one referenced in the book Eisenhorn Xenos by Dan Abnett
That's what thought too, it rings very similar to those worlds even the material used to build. The salruthi? Been a bit since I read but I think you're right.
No, they aren't. The Saruthi created that particular environment purely for the meeting. Their normal worlds were psionic worlds with 4-dimensional architecture. The Saruthi empire, even at its height, was still very local, so unless these hollow worlds were all found within the Helican sector exclusively, it is highly unlikely that the Saruthi even had anything to do with these hollow worlds.
They were built by Greg's lad, Keith.
Humanity made them during the Golden Age would be my guess. The Emperor states Fenris was made as an experiment in recreating old earth mythologies, and that thing does not have a natural orbit. I propose the Emperor was being literal and humanity built the planet. We used miniature black holes as weapons and Terra formed Mars and many other worlds into paradises before the collapse, creating a hollow planet with an artificial sun is not outside the capabilities of such a society.
The Imperium also has teleportation technology. If we assume this technology was equally as advanced as the weapon technology as compared to the modern Imperium a teleportation system linking the planets seems reasonable, especially with an artificial planet worth of energy to power whatever makes them function. Maybe it's some kind of experimental network. At that point in history the A.I. would be doing design work and we don't know how the Men of Iron would have constructed things or what aesthetics they would have had.
"Go build this thing in the ass end of nowhere and tell us how it turns out" sounds like a very human thing, and a type of straw there were probably many of before the camels back broke and the robots decided to go all murder face.
Can you cite the book where it states that about Fenris, please? Thank you.
@@40KTheories Mentioned (sort of) in Wolfsbane when Big E and Horus discuss Leman Russ after just meeting him.
'Their highest art is the forging of steel,' admitted the Emperor. 'Their world has regressed to a pre-technological state, and if you saw it you would not be surprised why. It is a beautiful, savage place of ice, fire and monsters. A charming experiment in reconstructed mythologies.' 'What do you mean?' 'Fenris is a relic from the days before Old Night.'
I interpreted that as basically the Emperor saying "Fenris has become a fantastical version of Viking era Scandinavia on a planetary scale" by pointing out how similar much of Fenris is to ancient Norse mythology
@@40KTheories I suppose that is the beauty and vagueness of 40K, but I personally interpret it as something made by the old humans due to the wording (but again it is interpretable in many ways I suppose).
I can see both interpretations, but in the end I believe the planet is an engineered experiment. Within 40k planets not making sense is par for the course so Fenris' obviously unusual nature as a planet(plate tectonics, orbit) isn't really evidence but my gut tells me this is the beginning of a retcon. There's no real explanation I've ever come across besides at minimum an artificially crafted culture to explain why a planet colonized thousands of years in the future would universally follow a bastardized version of a religion that's been dead for centuries in our own time. I think GW is doing a lot of lore expansion atm and Fenris as a Golden Age experiment would be an interesting story to be uncovered, would explain the people if not the planet better, and fits with this new age of rediscovery brought on by Guillimans return. Could also have something to do with the Canis Helix not working on non fenrisians when they tried to found successor chapters but there being Terrans who became "Space Wolf" Legionaires before Russ was rediscovered on Fenris. If it was an experiment and one the Emperor was familiar with perhaps there is some minor genetic alterations inherent to Fenrisians that he had to create in Terrans before elevating them to proto Space Wolves Astartes. But that wraps around to Big E knowing his Primarchs would be scattered and where they'd be. Too much for me tonight.
In conclusion I think we need to give golden age humanity the credit they are due when discussing most advanced races in the galaxy and various things like this said by the Emperor and some of the things the time traveling A.I. talk about seem designed to kinda restore that sense that humanity was so much more and perhaps more parts of that history will be coming to light in the future.
Thanx for the video, the response, and to the other commentors.
Night all
*thinking* sounds like Eldar, they do make things.
“The Old Ones” ❌
“The mysterious xenos race known as the Old Ones” ✅
Sounds like they're miniature Dyson Spheres.
Were the necron constructs invented before or after the biotransferrence? If after, then the hollow worlds could be pre-war necrontyr structures which would explain the lack of constructs.
Great question for theories!
I don't think that the Necrons make any sense, for largely the reasons that you explained. Also however, the Necrons don't reflect any necessity for one environment or another. Why would the Necrons develop the sort of technology to produce the hollow worlds? They are adapted well enough not to need them.
There were a number of advanced races in the galaxy, of course including the Old Ones, but if one rules them out, who is left? The Eldar are the first candidate that springs to mind. They were the most capable of the created races of the Old Ones, wielding immense power and technology at their height.
If we look back into Eisenhorn, there was a race of xenos, the Saruthi) that made self-contained environments in planets and asteroids. This race eventually fell entirely to chaos, but there was a time that they were not corrupt. They seem to be a possibility.
I'd like to imagine it was the ancient Jokaero. I really like the idea that they used to be a powerhouse of the galaxy
Great videos as always!!
In the words of the book's best character. "FOR FUN!"
Probably the Forerunners. They're known for making them as strongholds/command hubs.
But on a serious note Probably Necrons
Also can you do a reaction/review to the Astartes series? I doubt you haven’t seen them, but they are amazing and I’d like to hear your input on them
The theory that the Old Ones or possibly the Eldari created the Hollow Worlds can also be supported by the existence of the previously mentioned gateways that allow near instantaneous travel between the worlds, which is in many ways similar to the nature of the Webway. Not to the mention that if the Hollow Worlds were of Necron construction, then there would be no point in them having ecosystems, especially specifically different ones, considering the Necrons are not organic.
Trazyn built them to store his stuff
Aka Rogal Dorn's drunk night out after warping to the past. (shhh I'm working on it)
The hollow worlds may have been built by the Necrons before they where turned into what they are now.
When livening they could have preferred the curve and when turned into zombie robots they turn their back on their former tastes completely and used straight lines everywhere.
I remember such world (or moon) is mentioned in the book "The hammer and Anvil" , when Miriya and her squad goes into the moon who is inhabited by necron and destroy it.
Were the Slan created in the image of the Old Ones, or do we know what either one looked like? I know the Fantasy Slan were toad like but I'm not sure if that carries over to 40k.
How do you produce so much quality content so fast? Just the research and script writing would take weeks.
Probably did the work a while back and is just releasing it on a schedule like TV shows
If it means anything I wrote this particular script about 2 months ago. I tend to prepare my scripts 4-6 weeks ahead of their scheduled recording date.
@@40KTheories dont lie you have many servoskulls doing most of the hard work but still keep the good work up
@@40KTheories smart thing to do helping to prevent burnout?
Great video 40k Theories.
Are they basically immune to the Tyranids?
Seemingly so
Just loving that chaos gate soundtrack... such a good game
The old ones theory makes the most sence, the hollow worlds were testing grounds for new especies
look at those names, clearly vampire tech.
Kartsveil, kartstein, helloooo?
Where is the Lastrati system map used in the video from? I cant find it on the internet. Anyone knows?
From the Tyrant of the Hollow Worlds ebook
Dark Age of Technology Humanity replicating Necron Tech that was stolen from the Old one's, it's so simple.
Pink clouds=Warptaint=EXTERRRRRMINATUS!!!! :D
My guess is old ones, or eldari, before slenesh of course. We do know the old eldar where capable far more then they currently are. Both could build webways, which I believe is the main point of evidence to the makers
Theory, the Tyranids before they became horrid monstrosities. They were advanced, taking in young worlds, advancing them and taking their best qualities for themselves. But something went wrong and to save the Galaxy they helped to cultivate they fled to the farthest reaches of space....but they remember their creations and the biological need to reintegrate their creations like they do with their fallen is their drive home
It was all me CHAOS God of Death and Disease, I built them.....
They were clearly made by the Jokaero to find the most suitable environment for cultivating bananas.
Its proto-type eldar worlds. we know the dark eldar have the capability to move stars into the webway for their pocket realms. they would have had to start somewhere. and the weird metal/stone is an early form of wraithbone-like stuff that has fallen out of favour of use.
But at the same time the Aeldari have been shown to become highly aggressive should another race settle upon a Maiden World, even to the point of launching massive warhosts to drive human/t'au/whatever colonists away from them. If the worlds of the Lastrati system are of Aeldari origin, then why haven't they attempted to expel the humans living there?
What if the Old Ones had aided the Necron Tyr in there time of need, how different would the universe be?
I believe they tried, but couldn't help them extend their life span and abandoned them.
@@TheRampantLion I'll probably check on it later, thanks.
Basically worlds where your phone can never get signal
Theory: they were built by the Necron'tyr. Not the robot skeleton Necrons, but the few living ones that survived for a time.
I mean, they are probably made by the old ones, but let's throw a curveball.
!hey I just had a good idea and a question in 2008 to 2010 have you seen or watch a kids show on Cartoon Network called Battle force 5?
Because in this show there are woulds called Battle Zones and they have lots of interesting inspired Fantasy themes that could be shown in a 40k/AOS illustrations.
So basically, these are the 40k equivalent of Forerunner Shield Worlds. Neat.
he hollow worlds may be a krork construction, rokks and moons have been cored out by modern orks before and turned into transportation devices as seen in many books and the war of the beast. this would mean the korks bordered on incredibly powerful foes
@Nat20 Damage you got that backwards.
"... may remain a mystery never to be solved". In the W40K universe, highly unlikely? :P
Are their any parallels between these worlds and the Black Stone Fortresses?
Just a guess from someone who watches for the lore, perhaps it was humanity during the Golden age.
I mean a world like this is hypothetically possible just not with our current technology.
One thing I question is the size of the worlds to have an artificial sun not burn everything alive, and also have a stable magnetic field. It would have been a lot more believable if the planets we're spinning really fast to create gravity.
Maybe it was one of the Emperors secret projects as like a last bastion for humanity. It’s basically warp prof and it’s camouflaged against most races. With no stars and the appearance of dead worlds it’s perfect
ALMOST perfect. The Planets don't orbit their parent, they are apparently stationary in space, a supposedly physical impossibility.
lorzon true but a lot of stuff the Emperor has made should be physically impossible so a internal spherical ecosystem shouldn’t be that more far fetched
So, they're small Dyson Spheres? It's either Necrons or the Old Ones, they're the two most likely suspects. | 2:50 - Ironic, considering the history they have with each other...they're still good at slaughtering heretics.
.... question.... if the emperor's webway portal was reinforced with blackstone, and aligned to shut the portal and render it inactive, wpuld that then free the emperor to then maybe use his unknown powers as a perpetual to recover from his wounds? I am sure there is someone else that could temporarily guide the astronomicon, and have weak psykers power it as they did during the initial crusade when the emperor was leading the crusade.
Could have been used by the necrons for weapon testing since every one of those worlds can simulate every type of atmosphere, this would explain the absence of warriors and constructs.
The portals linking the Hollow Worlds remind me of the Warp Gates, which enabled the creation of the Araneus Continuity, during the Age of Strife.
But, thats not much help. Aa the, presumed, creators of the Warp Gates were only seen during the Great Crusade. When they emerged from the Warp Gates to destroy the, newly compliant, Araneus Continuity.
The xenos ship's were unrecognised by the Imperium. And haven't been seen since.
the worlds have a system allowing near instant travel between them, a system that can be recalibrated to change destinations. that is either direct warp travel or a webway system. if it is direct warp travel, then mutations, disapperances, daemonic possessions, or possibly even daemonic incursions would occur at least some of the time that people travel using the system, but this does not appear to be the case. a webway system would have none of these flaws, and is technology essentially unique to the old ones.
It's a bit preemptive to rule out other well-known races that were once more technologically advanced. Both the Aeldari and Humanity could have theoretically built these planets at the height of their power, during the dark age of technology and before the birth of Slaanesh
Personally I doubt the Aeldari had a hand in their creation, given how aggressive they become should any race settle upon their Maiden Worlds. Whenever humans or T'au have settled upon a Maiden World, the Aeldari almost immediately launch an assault to drive the colonists away.
If the Aeldari created the Hollow Worlds then surely they would have attempted to expel the humans from them.
@@40KTheoriesThese 'planets' clearly aren't normal maiden worlds though. Could they have been kept secret, like a government experiment, and the Eldar somehow lost the knowledge of them in the fall? IDK, just speculating.
Great video btw! I love your content
Have you seen the youtube videos around saying our moon irl is a hollow world? I wonder if necrons are hiding inside.
Seems like a necron thing considering the clouds of warp disruption around them
i'd love to see ONE of them come back. The old ones. my personal favorite theory is that what's left of them left the galaxy to another galaxy.
And considering how plot twists usually go in the 40k universe... upon arriving at this other galaxy they found every world stripped of all resources, and vast predator fleets roaming everywhere... and they were promptly gobbled up by the Tyraninds.
@@Terminator484 maybe the source of the Hive Mind?
FORERUNNER SHIELD WORLDS!
I like these things. Wish there was more about them. Sadly I don't own that novel.
I had no idea; and the Adeptus Mechanicus didn't tear these planets apart to find out how they tick??
study Xino-technology instead of destroying them?
the Inquisition would like to know your location
@@leonvalenzuela4096 Mars. P O
Box 12, subsection 9
@@georgesulea well they cant be eldar... no wraithbone there or there and they are painfully territorial, so no chance of that.
The old one hypothesis is intresting but practicly nothing from that age survived except the webway and thats due to its etherial construction
His necron is plausible but only slightly.
There have been times where minor xenos species attained great feats of tech and engineering, the chronoblade being one of them
Hmmmmmmm my theory is that its humam archotech, i mean we have no info whatsoever on the lifeforms in the hollow planets but we can guess that whoever made the place made it with the conditions of being habitable, the makers of the place also blocked the place out of communications so they were trying to stay low, situation is, whoever lived in the planets either left the place ooor died in there and chances are that it is the latter because who would risk poking their snout when either a full machine rebbellion is going or your former enemies have transformed into skeletons of living metal and are budding with star gods to suck the life out of everything that breaths and doesnt breath, my opinion is that this is probably a human refugee planet of which residents died for some reason, 65 million years is way too much time for something of that size to survive.
@@leonvalenzuela4096 The Adeptus Mechanicus polices their own.
They are obviously Forerunner Shield Worlds.
Old Man Necron: _sees Forerunner youngsters making as Shield Worlds_ YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!! _shakes cane angrily_
They do seem similar
"This Tomb, is now yours..."
MrImperatorRoma 4chans /tg/ board made a whole codex for the covenant
It took me awhile to figure out you were saying orrery. There are tons of free resources online to check how to pronounce a word almost as easy as checking spelling. You should try that sometime :)
Yes, this has already been pointed out numerous times xD
My mistake
Can you do a video about necron lords like Szarekh trying to find compatible biological vessels to transfer their essence to? Did a deep dive on some wikis and found that tidbit
Do you know the source of that info?
40K Theories “The silent king recognized them [Tyranids] as a major threat to his people’s chances of reconquering the galaxy and regaining their organic forms. It was Szarekh’s dream that the Necrons might find an organic species whose bodies might prove to be suitable vessels for Necron minds, thus finally ending the curse of biotransference”
The wiki cites the 5th edition Necron and Blood Angels codices for sources
warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Szarekh
Could be just a throwaway line, but begs further questions like what are the parameters of a “suitable” host, how would they achieve reverse biotransference, and possibly why Trazyn collects/catalogues so many life forms.
At the same time why didn’t he simply transfer his essence to the Fulgrim clone?
Seem to remember Trazyns museum world being hollow.
IMHO. Old ones built them as proto planets for the burgeoning war. As mentioned in video, the jokaero, eldar, krork, and potentially more were implemented before the disappearance of the old ones, giving credence to the fact that in fantasy they could mold mountains, move continents, I'd imagine 40k offshoots can handle it as well.
Olds ones either used these planets and the original occupants were moved off world, the world's were only gestated and not ready for life or what few experiments on world were killed off and despite being millions of years ago wouldn't necessarily make fossils in a planet without say... Volcanic activity to flash freeze bone to allow it to convert to calcium for aforementioned fossils to appear.
Lastly, the sun's at the center of the hollow planets is another old one technology utilized on the fantasy setting, the a lizardman general uses a gauntlet that creates a stable star in his palm which can be rasenganed lol. Cool stuff but again not same verse just a possibility.