2015 KIA K900 vs Lexus LS 460 Matchup Review: And the Ultimate Asian Luxury car Is...
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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That is what a true Luxury car is supposed to do, isolate you from the outside environment and create it's own. If you want to feel the road, get a go cart, or better yet open the door stick your hand out and touch the road.
mr greenlight that is true ....people gets confuse for what luxury is . If you dont want the isolation of the world or road then drive a honda civic or corolla. I dont think people know what luxury is .
Once again, the "experts" are criticizing a luxury car for not being sporty. The "experts" dare not drive a Rolls Royce, because it contains ZERO sportiness.
lol
Obviously your definition of 'luxury' does not mesh with the luxury of not having to have the car towed into the dealership every 3 months and the waste of time in order to maintain "luxury". Rolls Royce makes complete shit nowadays.
TheLAKERSareGodsTeam that's not entirely accurate. RR's warranty accrual per unit on their unlimited mileage policy has maintained a consistent downward trend for the last couple decades. I'd say that's pretty good, considering the current model range is the most extensive in the company's history and more miles are being put on Rolls Royces than ever before.
@@georgecostanza2695 yeah, ten years ago they made spotty diarrhea. Now, with accrual, they make total shit.
Ya but a roles Royce has crazy amounts of torque and 0 to 60 in 5 seconds, It's fast. It's the new age where luxury sedans have to have it all it's kinda ridiculous but good adaptive suspension can help with that. That's pretty much all that needs to be done but it's costly. so usually only really expensive flagships have them.
Why does everyone bash Kia? They're great cars and have rebuilt their brand. Seems like a lot of people are just follow each other and haven't even driven these cars at all.
Nathan and Roman - I think you asked the wrong question at the end of the video. "If you had $90k, which car would you buy?" Well of course if you had $90k you'd get the Lexus, because it's a better car. But that's not really the proper question. The real question should be "If you had $65k, would you buy the K900, a nicely equipped E350, A6 w/ prestige package, or a relatively base 535?' You see, I think that changes things a bit. When you look at all the features you get in the K900 compared to the cars I just listed, I think the K900 really has a shot here. It's a much larger, "luxo-cruiser" type car than the midsize sedans from the Germans I mentioned above, and that may appeal to someone in that price range. The same goes for the Hyundai Genesis only on the smaller scale for the Germans (C300, A4, 335i). You can be sure I'd rather pay $50k for a loaded Genesis than a well equipped 3 series with zero back seat leg room and giant repair bills once the warranty is up.
GIANT repair bills yes sir. Longer lasting most likely to. Except for a Lexus in longevity.
Fast forward to 2021:
Buy a 2015 LS and everyone knows you're driving a 6 year old Lexus.
Buy a 2015 K900 and everyone says, "Wow! What's that? Never seen one of those before."
Exactly! I hate watching these videos and watching these reviewers speak so negatively about Kia. In my opinion Kia making the K900 and the Cadenza was one of their best decisions. The k900’s design is 10 times better than that Lexus inside and out. These cars are absolute gems 💎 ❤
I like how he tried to diss Lexus by saying its a Toyota. Don't get why that would be bad, when its actually a great thing.
All they have to say is that Kia is a Kia and its allll over xD
I am so tired of all these comparison videos where the hosts spend the whole time dogging the Korean automobiles. These videos need to be done by individuals that are not bias to either brand.
+Lamar Fulton There are other reviews much better than this one going in much detail about the features. The VIP package is really great.
They would seriously not spend that extra money on the Lexus.
Lexus is the best hands down. Superior in reliability, engineering, and comfort.
At least Hyundai and Kia update their vehicles pretty regularly, which you usually can't say about some of the Japanese brands who let their cars stick around waaay too long.
k900 looks way cooler to me.
While I am a huge Lexus fan, I think that the LS is behind all of the competitors, because cars like the S-Class are a lot more desirable and have more features.
That's because a base a S class costs like 15,000 more than a base LS. Compare a 100k S class with a 100k LS and there won't much of a difference in terms of features.
Rizwan Javed lexus has something the germans do not. reliability
OneOfOne Yes, but if you have that type of money then reliability doesn't matter because you'll probably get a new one in 3 years and just about any car has warranty that lasts longer than that so no worries. I have a LS460, I bought it used with 53,000 miles. I chose LS460 over S class and all that because the CPO warranty will expire soon and I have the confidence that I won't be spending too much on repairs. I can't say the same for S class and 750i. My point is, if you're getting new. Go for S class or 750i. You get better performance and a little more prestegiousness. But if you're buying used, go for LS460 unless you want to spend thousands on repairs all the time.
I think they need to come up with a new model these days. The LS 430 was built from about 2000 till 2006, the LS 460 since 2006. It's time for something new, something big!
Marcel Henning Yeah, they better. If I were to buy a new full size luxury I wouldn't even consider LS460 because it is so underpowered compared to most of the other cars in its class. I have the previous gen LS460 and at that time my car was more powerful than 750i and 3 or 6 hp short of S550 and my car was still faster. But the thing is that the LS460 engine, even for todays standards, is very refined when it comes to luxury.
this is my second ls and these cars are so damn reliable
The Kia is going to be worth 25k in a year lol
Their price go down dramatically after a year their price goes down to like 30-40kish pretty bad if you plan on selling it to get a new one in few years. I'd say a good lease
Not true I'm a salesman at Mitsu and we have a Kia store. 2015 k900's with 9k miles are going for 34k , brand new they are like 73k. HAHAHAHA great features tho
So do a lot of Mercedes E classes lol
hmm not really you dont buy a 80k Merc have have it work 25 in a year, nice try though. Im sorry if you got tricked into buying that Kia hope you held your receipt
thelastDAN E class is 50k. And I seen plenty 2015 models selling for 25-30. Nice try to you sir.
with lexus you feell the real japanese soul with luxury ♡
I give Kia credit... this is their first attempt at this level of luxury and they came pretty close... Wait til Kia has 5 or 6 yrs in ultra luxury. It took Hyundai a few tries to get the Genesis right.
Idk if ur still on here bht the 2020 genesis g90s are beautiful
One of the ceo's at a site I used to work used to be driven to work in a bullet proof Hyundai Equis.
The K900 has been a complete flop. This entire year KIA sold a whopping 1106 K900s. I think KIA forgot about the failure of the VW Phaeton, no one was lining up to buy a $70,000 VW, and certainly no one is lining up to buy a $65,000 KIA. What a joke. Almost everyone with 65K to spend on a car would laugh at the thought of owning a KIA.
I wouldn't say the K900 is a flop, the vehicle at this point was not mass produced, only 5000 built. This car introduces Kia to Quality and Luxury and helps them shed the cheap little car reputation... even if they only sell a few, the car is succeeding in it's message and that will trickle down to the rest of the line-up. Hyundai did the same thing with the Azera and now the Genesis and the Equus
Well, look at all of the brand snobs coming out of the woodwork-people who haven't driven the K900, or any car in the luxury segment, I'm sure. Oh, they may tell lies in anonymity here on UA-cam, but you know they haven't.
I think the K900 is a great car. FINALLY a manufacturer gives us a luxury car that doesn't pretend to be a sports car and puts comfort and ride quality on top. Every review I'd read or watched about the K900 says that this car is among the most comfortable, best riding, and relaxing to drive they've ever experienced. I think it's handsome too. I'd buy this in a second, if I were looking for a luxury sedan and had some money. The KIA has more power than the Lexus, and more front and rear leg room. Styling is subjective, despite what the one guy says here. I happen to really dislike the front end of the Lexus. I think it looks heavy, awkward, and rather cartoonish.
Think of what you could do with the 40-50k you'd save over a comparable BMW or Mercedes-or the 30k you'd save over the Lexus. How about donating it to some worthy charities in honor of our Lord Jesus' birthday? Yup. That's what I'd do. And I think KIA will sell more of them when more people find out how good they are.
That's because Americans have bad taste in cars generally speaking. They choose to buy more expensive cars that may not be as comfortable as a car that's cheaper. And then they always wonder why they're in debt.
Great car that I wouldn't mind buying for $20,000 Canadian haha. theres only 3 k900s available in a 1000 KM radius around toronto, ontario. All in quebec. selling between 30k - 37k I wouldn't buy it for that much because hey it's a kia.
Maybe the k900 would've sold more if they did what hyundai did with the genesis. Put a special badge on for it. Cause lets face it the kia badge isn't doing the car any favours lol...
never buy a brand new kia I've seen used k900 with low miles (10-20k) for 28k!!! getting 90k features for 28k is definitely more for your money imo
I agree with Nathan, there's a reason the KIA K900 is $66K and it's in the cost cutting areas to simulate what established luxury car makers have been doing for quite some time(not skimping on what buyers expect and making most components intuitive to the user). KIA(and Hyundai) have made huge strides in making attractive and better quality vehicles at competitive prices, but something has to give and it seems to me it's in the design aspect. Many KIA and Hyundai designs look like a jumble of other manufacturers design cues and, frankly, it has already made them look dated IMO(3 co-workers own KIAs- 2 Optimas and 1 Cadenza) and I see late 2000s Japanese in them. Next time you see a late model Optima, look at the greenhouse area from behind, the tapered roofline looks fussy and dated to me. Don't get me wrong, if you want a car with tons of content at an attractive price, KIA and Hyundai are clear leaders in the segment, just don't complain when resale prices plummet like a badly made paper airplane...............
you really need to do some basic research before you start writing some dumb ass comments.
jorge romani You should try saying something factual before using profanity to describe your displeasure with someone's opinion. I never claimed to be an authority, but why don't you enlighten us all with your ability to do "proper research", agreed?
Naw, more like an imitation Jag with mid 2000s Infiniti mixed in IMO.....
jorge romani He's actually very correct in his statement. I really like the new Kias, especially the Optima. But its very clear to anyone with an eye for automobiles that Kia right now has their own unique design language (tiger-nose grille), but is copying content from other already established players in the game. That's why when you look at say the K900, you see hints of BMW, Mercedes, Audi (because their chief designer of the tiger-nose grille and now CEO used to work for Audi), and so forth. I agree, its one heck of a solid effort. Kia has come a very long way in not a long amount of time. But you can't rush true progress and success. And consumers, I guarantee, are not ready for a $70,000 Kia yet. As nice as many of their newer models are now and the built in value of their warranty, they still are lacking the dealer experience and overall value to be taken seriously for now. I do believe that that'll change as time continues to go on. But they should at least start by changing their logo to quicken the process. Using the same one that the public associates with the "old Kia" and plastering it all over $40,000-$70,000 cars isn't going to get you very far in the long-run.
The two giants of car reviewing face off over the bonnets of two stonking V8's. Folks, it does not get any better than this. This video is EPIC !!!!!!!!!!!
Mind you the Lexus is 7 years old, at very near end of it's model life, imagine how good the next generation LS would be
U kidding right? this is the newest LS generation that came in last year, But it definitely needs a newer Engine.
V1perKiller It got a restyle last year, still an old XF40.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexus_LS#Fourth_generation_.28XF40.29
V1perKiller Lexus is doing another company revamp though starting this year and their F sport series. You can probably expect a pretty big upgrade soon.
Two years later, the 2018 LS500 is here,
See what I told ya!
INUMIMI28 Haha. Ikr. The new Lexus kills the K900 and Genesis G90(which will not redesign for 2018 since it came last year).
I agree with your assessments of these cars. Personally, I would take the Lexus. It may not have that "involvement" that Roman talks about but then it isn't meant for those looking to feel every nuance of the road and how the car response to it. And besides, it's hard to beat quality, craftsmanship, and prestige regardless of price.
I enjoy your videos, but I do wish that you would stop revving the engine with the car in "parked", and recording at the exhaust pipe.......You seem to do this in a lot of your reviews.
Why, the car is mapped, and limited whilst in park !! Please ?
How else are you supposed to rev a car?
What? Lol...
I agree. Revving in park is nothing short of juvenile and certainly not something luxury car owner would do except when the car is in the hands of their spoiled children.
Alex Miller What is the purpose of revving the engine..... I just dont get it !!
john wheatley to hear the voice of the engine, not very complicated to ask about it
I think the question should be: if you had 90 k, would you buy a Lexus at all?
When he opened the hood I literally laughed out loud, why even open it?
Robert C ha ha an expanse of flat plastic. Looks so stupid.
di foo!! Thats Lexus for ya. I mean if you have 90K+ luxury car you won't even need to open the hood
Buying a used K900 is the way to go. Obviously it's not the best luxury car, but it's like 80% of an S-class experience for $28,000 which is insanity.
Lexus is a Lexus and KIA is a KIA.
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Actually, a Lexus is a Toyota. The Lexus LS was originally sold in the Japanese market as a Toyota Celsior.
Jonathan Gwynne I know that
Jonathan Gwynne The Lexus LS is rebadged as Toyota Celsior for the Japanese market, but it is not made by Toyota. The LS is the all new platform created for Lexus.
Luxary from Japanese motor vehicle manufacturers have proven them self as truly being products of great engineering. Performance. Quality. Attention to detail. Reliability.
Kia. Essentially "copies" what's precise as luxurious from their rivals. Ie Japan.
I don't like any car manfactors
+Robb Stark Yeah he copied himself. People speak with such ignorance .
Well said
Essentially it's like so:
LS460 - If you crave for acknowledgement
K900 - If you don't crave for acknowledgement.
People talking about resale value...one I don't know why you'd buy a car for its resale value.....you should buy a car you'd like to keep. and two, you won't ever get a resale return that warrants a $30k price difference.
+Evan Parker My God you are one of very few people on here making any sense at all. Maybe there is hope for humans. Peace and Love
I've never seen a K900 on the road?
lol
+Juan Ramirez
I have never seen a Bugatti Veyron on the road
Hello tfl. There is alot of useless debate and hate happening with the comments section, but then again I'd just like to share or correct you guys with this luxury review.
The problem was you were doing this review on the driving enthusiasts point of view, as you guys and me are but then the people on the luxury class segment doesn't want to feel the road and they'd rather be isolated and comfortable inside the car specially driven or when they would like to use the car themselves. Just sharing my thoughts and experience.
Cheers to tfl I love watching your vids!
Ps. I'm also with these luxury class people.
Man I'm starting to want that KIA.
I've been a DieHard Chevy fan for over 20+ years. But, when I purchased my 2013 KIA Optima SXL, I was pleasantly amazed at the level of luxury and power I was getting for a competitive price. @274 HP, my Optima has wiped the floor with a Lancer EVO, Subaru WRX, Ford Fusion Titanium and The Lexus IS350! Even though those cars had more horsepower. The sheer Turbocharged 269ft lbs of torgue @ 6k rpm's, and the Optima's wide wheel base out performed my buddies Lexus and Fusion in the corners. And, @ 155mph the Ford Fusion seemed to suffer from too much wind resistance. Also, during drag races, when I switched to sport mode. The EVO and WRX were left in my dust STILL upshifting while I was crossing the finish line @ 100+mph and 1/4 mile between us! KIA has come a long way from only producing slow & ugly cars. Also, the styling of my KIA turns far more heads and catches more attention than my friends Lexus ever has. And he has aftermarket rims and tires. While my car does not. I think that KIA has proved themselves to be a premium car company. And, they deserve credit for making good cars at competitive prices. It's also been rumored that KIA is currently developing a "Balls To The Wall" Race car that will rival the Lexus LFA!!!!
Won't you TFL guys stop being biased when reviewing a car?? Please stop being harsh on cars that you reviewers hate and give us a unbiased review! The looks are dependent on everyone's opinions. I'm sorry to compare against some other reviewer, but Chris Harris for example, quietly states his opinion about the looks after saying that looks definitely are dependent on each person's opinions about the looks, not just saying "that one is sexy, that one is ugly." And really? Complaining about the noise when moving the seats backwards and forwards in the K900? That's like complaining about the candles on birthday-cake because they melt too fast. That can't be avoided. It is reasonable! And only talking about the "culture" of rewarding yourself when driving a Lexus and only talking about the negative facts about the Kia is quite unfair. Even when they talked about the smoothness about the K900, they put it as "numb", which completely makes it clear that they don't know about the purpose of each car that the manufacturer claims. For example, that's like saying Rolls Royce is very unengaging despite the company claiming that the vehicle isn't about the engagement.
Anyway, I'm sorry I'm complaining about your reviews, but please stop being biased...
For cars like these, isolation is actually not a negative thing. If I took a car like this it would be to have a quiet, nice, peaceful drive. Also, if I can afford this car, I can afford a sports car too to give me that "road feel".
Lexus is Japanese quality. The statement needs no explanation.
Well let me offer an explanation if I may. Acura RLX is on the worst cars to buy list this year. Why is a "Japanese Quality" car on such a list? Well because your statement is a lie. Lexus is quality period. There is no such thing as Japanese quality. You've been brainwashed and perhaps you're the type of person who regurgitates what you are told. Do some research and look at the "dogs" companies like Toyota and Honda have produced. Let me start of the list for you - 1. 2001 Honda Prelude engines
You are hilarious! It seems it's the fashion of the day amongst "kids" to call people "boy" and "kid". I will be the adult this time. You need to do more research "dad". There are many models of RLX. Some are conceived, designed, and assembled in good ole Japan. For example the Acura 2016 RLX Sport Hybrid. Additionally, the 2001 Honda example I gave ; also designed, conceived and assembled in Japan. I couldn't care less if it's sold in it's native market or not under the same or any other name. Any spin you want to put on it you can, if it makes you feel better, Dad.F.Y.I. my son is probably older than you.......and a lot smarter.
Where was the Hitomi satellite built? Japan!
www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/06/17/jd-power-releases-study-results/28865109/
Seems they are better than the lexus. Both kia and hyundai are at the top
I proved Jiruchi didn't know his facts and now you want to come to his defense. As I have given examples already of made in Japan product being less than reliable, therefore I am not making assumptions. Look up the definition. My point is that " made in Japan" is no guarantee of quality and is no better than "made in Korea" and sometimes worse. Do some "quality" research before setting yourself up as the spokesman for Japanese quality. Also I don't know you, so we are not pals. Talk about assumptions.
They say Kia copied other cars. Hmmm. If I see 4 cars that I really like certain features in each but not all of them and Kia comes out with a car that gives me the best of all 4 for much less than either of them..............Way to go Kia!!!! Keep doing your thing! Haters are going to hate, but I will continue to congratulate!! Don't despise small beginnings.
Once again JD Powers has released the list of cars with the best rated initial quality. KIA comes in first place and Porsche in second place. Sorry, Lexus came in 7th place which must be disappointing for them and all you KIA haters.
Initial quality means nothing over the long term
Most people in this segment don't get cars like that for long term anyway. It's a moot point.
So does that mean you would rather buy a car with problems in the first few months of ownership rather than none at all? Problems with a vehicle early on in the ownership cycle, creates a deep dislike for said vehicle. Most owners are more tolerant of problems 2 or 3 years down the line. Either way it's a defect the car shouldn't have. It does mean something. The fact Lexus has slipped does mean something and it probably does to Lexus management.
It means that Toyota had to cut far too many corners and rushed things too much to hit the numbers and price points they needed to become the #1 car company in the world. The reliability, build quality, and materials you saw in 90s Toyotas just aren't there anymore, at least not at anything resembling a reasonable price for an economy car. The door handle surrounds in a fully loaded 2016 Avalon, which is supposed to be their luxury car, were so sticky and greasy that I had to wash my hands afterwards, and the ride quality was so bad that my back hurt after a 15 minute test drive. The offgassing from the 4Runner and RAV4 was so disgusting that I got a headache from standing 4 feet away with the door open, no way was I getting in the thing lest I do permanent brain damage. Hopefully they'll get their quality and value back now that their frenetic pace has calmed down a bit, just like Nissan did.
@@seankurth4371 JD power studies are not conducted the way you think they are. These "issues" you speak about are customers coming back into the dealership with a misunderstanding of anything from, "why do I hear a ticking noise", to "I'm too old to turn on my headlights and this car confuses me". That is a sampling of post sales support and education and not a representation of quality. You claim they've lost their dependability when long term reliability statistics say otherwise. Toyota and Lexus owners are exceptionally critical of issues which keeps Toyota on their feet. That doesn't change actual demonstrated reliability as evidenced by the link below.
dashboard-light.com/reports/Lexus.html
This was a really good review guys! Sometimes you guys aren't quite on point with your videos, but I was impressed by this one. Good job!
Personally I think you guys were waaay too hard on the Kia and gave the Lexus more appraisal then it's worth. Don't get me wrong the Lexus IS a beautiful car but that Kia is a damn good car as well and to say the Lexus is better is unorthodox. Kia has come a long ways and they are only getting better. Your paying for the badge. As far as the window farting maybe get that checked out cause my buddy's optimas windows don't sound like that and that car costs way less. Personally I think that hour glass figure grill on the Lexus looks abit ugly. I think the Kia looks nicer minus the fake air vents. This is my opinion and I know I'm gonna get hates and comments for it but so be it. You guys do good reviews tho so don't think I'm bashing you guys I watch all your reviews, but it's not fair to bash the Kia either and even you guys admit to being hard on the Kia. Maybe I'm wrong here but some people are loyal to their brands and that's that. I will continue watching your reviews and I'm just putting my 2 cents in.
I used to have a 2014 KIA Cadenza and it's amazing how similar looks the K900 😁
How did you like it! I still have my 2014 Kia cadenza and she has 225k miles. RUNS LIKE A GEM!
This video is like comparing the Lexus LFA to the Kia forte Koup... IT JUST DOESNT WORK OUT
Great review as usual. It's nice how you've summed up the intangibles as making a huge difference between two otherwise similar cars. Some people have told me that a Kia has 2x as many features and may have more horsepower than my car (x1 35i) but when it comes to on road refinement and actual 0-60 times there's no comparison.
No one will pay close to 70k for a Kia because people are use to Kia making cheap gas saving economy cars not high end luxury vehicles, also it will not retain its over all value like a Lexus would. Not to mention the Kia emblem is ugly and does not scream "look at me I'm a high end luxury car". Stick to 15-20k cars Kia!!
man you guys were really hard on that kia. it's like saying to your older son he's way better than your youngest son.
K900 is badass in my opinion the Kia man!!
One dude actually said, he wants more feedback and feel from the outside world, well these 2 cars are engineered for comfort not sport!
Lexus is still the better car , at the end of the day.....
Kia just imitate other brands and just hope for the best
Hahaha you idiot.. every makers consult other makers.. your foolish prejudice man
***** grow up both of you. rolls royce doesnt need to advertise because they are rolls royce. others, need to fight hard. why are you two fighting? because you cant afford rolls royce?
***** little boy, you will one day learn.. one day.. ignorant japanese trying to be better than what he thinks he is.
***** Take some English lessons ok? Watashiwa non-nippon deska
I would just like to point out, and this is probably just the one exception, when vauxhall copied the kia cee'd and the pro c'eed with the astra.
I have own my K900 for over a year and compared to my Lexus LS there is no comparison. 93,500 to 62,250? how is that a fair comparison? It isn't Kia is just showing Lexus and the rest of the industry... Look out Bitches We are coming and coming up fast... To late we are there. Both cars are nice but I do really like my Kia over the Lexus because it is just a screaming, tail on fire car. It just blows the Lexus off the road. It really does, this video doesn't even come close to showing what really is happening and I feel comfortable in the Kia while it is doing it. When I am moving a around 110mph the Kia is smooth and doesn't scary me my Lexus does. Lexus is easy to over control because of the hard road feed back. For me I am slowly becoming an Kia .... Naaa Lexus is nice and I do like the looks a lot more and also when others see me in the Lexus I get that look of WoW you made it and I hope I do one day. Status symbol stuff. But not everyone can buy the Stupidly High Priced Lexus so get a an Kia K900 and you will know just what I am talking about. Screw the Status Symbol I just want to Move and feel good while I do.
Lol, how much is your car worth now? 30k? 20? 1?
Some people don't give a damn about their resale value. Some people just want a damn good car. I sure as hell don't care about it. I'd much rather buy a car that's priced really well for what I get and keep it until I destroy it or someone else does than worrying about how much it's worth when I sell it.
$49750
I also would choose the Lexus, but I admit that Kia made a very nice car and faster than the Lexus
However, you forgot to note that the Lexus is 7 years older than the Kia. The Kia K900 really isn't anything special-- it really doesn't have anything unique except for its ridiculously absurd name (canine-hundred anyone?). Although the Lexus was refreshed in 2013 (major refresh), it still sits on a 2006 platform and drives with 2006/2007 engines. The Kia on the other hand has a new 420hp engine that's not even face-lift old. Oh, and to put into perspective, the 420hp engine in the Kia is OP-TION-AL. Yes, you heard right, OPTIONAL. The base engine is a 311hp V6. Plus, the K900 copied things from other automakers like Lexus, and BMW, Audi, Buick, etc. Kia made a nice car, but failed to impress. In 2015, the grand total for K900 sales was just 2524 models, while LS was sold off to over 7000 consumers. Oh, and must I mention that AWD isn't even available on the K900?
In Korea this car is really called the K9. (I guess in the US the K9 would be one "DOG" of a car).
The point you make is Lexus is screwing people out of $100,000 for an old car and engine. I agree with that.
you should try them both then you can say your opinion i tired them both
kia is much stable and it is almost 100% as you are driving a German
car not like lexusu that is a cheep japanies car adding some isolation
in its driving without stability as kia is 100% much stable on the road
man, but we dont give a chance for new brands to come up and to be fair
with them i liked out my Japaneses car now and i am driving this k900
that i loved it and i respect Korea for this car please try it and
compare then you can jug
lexus is boring...
Kia K900 vs Lexus ES350 would have been a better comparo because it's based on pricepoint, not size, and ES350 did move up in size/weight recently. Kia K900 is obviously not going to match the refinement of a current $90k+ car, but it's really cheap. About the same price as a ES350 which only has V6 and FWD. Until the next-gen Phaeton comes back, K900 and Equus are in a class of their own. I honestly think K900 was introduced this year to allow the Equus to move upscale because K900 comes too close to Equus in quality/price, and Equus is getting a bit old in the bones, it HAS to be part of corporate plan to bring prestige to the Hyundai name, which has been consistently moving upscale starting 2005 with the 2006 Sonata. Before that car, Hyundais were amongst the bottom tier of automakers, not in sales but in overall quality/refinement/performance, and they were one of the cheapest new cars you could get. The rate of them moving upscale is crazy, maybe a little too fast, and the public may not be ready for them. You know how slow the public is. They have ideas in their minds, and they are stuck with them. They're father told them Hyundais suck, and they believe their fathers. Hyundai is doing a surprisingly good job though, and they should be getting there soon. At this rate, I believe in them.
Is the Kia K900 that different from the Hyundai Equus?
nope. it's not air ride but other than that.
I get a feeling that Kia/Hyundai still had a MUCH larger budget for designing this and the Equus then what lexus had with the LS, the koreans started from scratch and made two cars which now seriously can compete with the others, while Lexus has been sleeping over the LS the few later years, it even has the same driveline as the one from 2007 for god's sake! Many of the buttons is looking 1992 to me, and have you seen the optional rear seat entertainment on the center console for the EU model? It looks like a joke! No one seems to write home about the tech and everyone is complaining about the LS600h... Doesn't Toyota understand that no matter how many new sport and powermodes and F sport they add, it is not a substitute for a remake! I deeply like the Lexus brand, but the LS is getting long in the tooth now, and they are going to be overtaken by the koreans if they don't do anything. In my mind, they already have been.
Call me crazy but I'd take the K900 and pocket the change. The Lexus badge means nothing to me personally and the K900 has all the features of the LS. The spindle grill is ugly and I LOVE the headlights of the K and I think the overall design is a bit more youthful if nothing else.
You'll lose the difference that you originally saved when you go to sell the Kia a few years after you've purchased it.
+matt molloy True indeed. I would more than likely keep the car for several years so I'm not terribly concerned
+Julius McDow I can dig it. I can't speak on experience regarding the value that a Kia will deliver over an extended ownership, but I can speak on the fact that Lexus makes a car where you get more than what you paid for. It's all opinion at the end of the day, I say drive what makes your driving experience the most enjoyable.
+matt molloy Yessir that's it right there. Realistically I'd be ecstatic to have either one
I thought that this was somewhat biased review and both of them were kind of harsh on KIA ... For example ...... Lexus exterior and interior both suck (bland) as compared to K900.
I agree with some points like noise when power-window operates but there are some bad points in Lexus interior as well.
KIA has really done a good job as far as this car is concerned.
At the end of the day most people are not going to spend almost $70k on a Kia
Yet!
That KIA is so hideous, i won't even pay 50k for that thing, this isn't a fair comparison one bit, the Lexus goes toe to toe with cars like the Audi A8, Jag XJL, Bmw 7 series and the s class. There's simply no point comparing the Lexus with any other Asian car.
you should try them both then you can say your opinion i tired them both kia is much stable and it is almost 100% as you are driving a German car not like lexusu that is a cheep japanies car adding some isolation in its driving without stability as kia is 100% much stable on the road man, but we dont give a chance for new brands to come up and to be fair with them i liked out my Japaneses car now and i am driving this k900 that i loved it and i respect Korea for this car please try it and compare then you can jug
ausama adnan I have driven several Kia's and Hyundai brother, the ride quality isn't just up to par.
don't compare a commercial car with a luxury car bro, please try to have a drive test with the k900 and you will find your self in another KIA level i told you it is like you are driving the BMW 7 series or audi :)
www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/06/17/jd-power-releases-study-results/28865109/
ausama adnan I still won't get a Kia over a Lexus brother, this Jd study isn't on reliability. Cause I have seen lists done in Europe and America putting the Lexus as the 2016 top dog when it comes to reliability.
I can't believe that lexus is 90k.. it looks so cheap from the outside, looks no different than the much cheaper IS models from the outside.
It's a good thing for people who don't want to attract unnecessary attention.
FutureParadise Good point.
The mistake many analysts make, when reviewing vehicles like the LS is that their complaints are misguided. Vehicles like the LS Lexus are luxury vehicles..not sport or enthusiast cars. The review should be based on the purpose of the cars creation and not just on their biases. The Lexus LS is a luxurious and reliable vehicle. Furthermore, I believe any vehicle that one spends more than 50k on should be reliable ( A strong point for Lexus). If the complaint is that the Lexus RC, GS, or IS doesn't give you the connectivity or communication of the road; the buyer is seeking than the reviewer's complaints have every merit to stand. But these are luxury vehicles and not sport cars.
woow kia is better
I think most people who put down Korean cars..are people who have never actually owned one or spent time in one in the last 10 years. Hyundai's are generally dependable and pleasant to drive. They give you a lot of car and technology for the least amount of money. If saving money is important to you..then consider a Korean car. If it isn't..then go get your Toyota or Lexus and be happy. But at this rate..there WILL be a TRUE Korean luxury car to compete with Lexus in less than a decade. =)
Lebron James drives a K900. Just a fun fact.
lol He probably got it for free + ton of cash from KIA !
Isnt the NBA sponsored by Kia? So they all get free Kias cause its in their contract..lol.
I know Ron Artest/Metta World Peace owns a Hyundai.
Justin Yau didn't know that lol still cool to know haha
Apparently he liked the k900 so much that he asked Kia if he could have one. And of course they were more than happy to give one to him. I don't really see how this has helped with K900 sales though, since I haven't seen one on the road yet :/
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Helped or not it's just for commercial reasons.
Kia K900 or Kia Quoris (European market) is not a Lexus LS direct competitor. It was meant to be a rival of BMW 5 series, MB E-Klasse Lexus GS and Audi A6. And i personaly think that second generation of K900 that will come out somewhere around 2020 will beat not only its direct rivals, but also be above all in its segment!
Haha ...strage analysis
honestman777 if you consider the progress of KIA for the past 10 years you will see that it is more possible than it seems at first)) 10 years ago if someone would say to me that KIA will make somthing almost as good as E-Klass MB, i would laugh) but not today)
You guys say that kia is just kia and it cant be compared to lexus... don't get me wrong I like lexus they are awesome but.. its called lexus in the states so honestly you guys are paying 90grand for a toyota... hyundai and kia didn't make a another brand like acura,lexus,infinity. Ur paying 90grand for the brand that makes corolla,yaris,tc,xb...just saying..
Woobyung Chae kia is the luxury version of hyundai smart guy, ever heard of the optima or sonata?
well then why are you hating on Toyota, Lexus has had success, much more than infiniti and acura , competes right there with the germans smart guy. Just because its built by toyota under Lexus doesnt mean its not worth 90g's.its a quality car just like the corolla is a quality car that sells well.
+OneAndyOnly just because it's built by Hyundai and Kia doesn't mean it's not worth 60k~70k..
+Woobyung Chae of course it is but you dont drive one, I dont drive one and I dont know anyone who drives one. Selling cars at that price is a different marketing ploy. Those buyers want a name brand and Lexus isnt up there with bmw,merc, audi but rather as an alternative and its priced accordingly. Kia should've priced this car at 90k and made it worth 90k and said this car is as good as these luxury brands but it didnt it admitted its cheaper.
+Jason Fitzgerald Jason we were arguing about the Kia K900 Vs the Lexus LS. The fact that you drove an Optima and loved it is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the argument. No one is hating on the Optima so you probably didnt read the comments and had to show everyone what a Kia fanboy you are, all you did was make yourself look stupid.
I have to disagree with the styling on the Lexus. If I saw that car on the street, I would never guess it cost 90k. Bland is one way to put it, and very similar to the cheaper cars from Lexus. When you look at a Mercedes, Jaguar, or Maserati, it exudes a sense of expensive style. I think the Kia could have been the better looking car, if it didn't have those strange addons like the vents (here I completely agree with TFLC).
Omg. This is totally not fair. The Lexus is outta that Kia's league. They're not comparable I mean seriously, are you coming to argue about comparing " KIA " with the " LEXUS " especially that new LS460!? That Kia's is not even half close to that Lexus.
I KNOW RIGHT?
how is this kia not like the lexus it's just as nice stop being biased!
+Alex Razmjookhah kia is made to be sold for 20k while Lexus is made for quality, luxury, reliability and sportiness worth the price
+Fifthcell that's a pile a crap you just said. every car company can change overtime just like Toyota did in the 80s when they stopped building cheap economy cars. Toyota wasn't always perfect! kia is not just for 20k! kia has the ability build excellent luxury cars just like Toyota the k900 is an amazing car I've experienced it real wood nappa leather nothing cheap. never judge a car company by its name!
+Alex Razmjookhah im not judging I am stating facts, KIA cant even rely on their kind of designer so they got a designer who worked for BMW and/or AUDI, and that was the stupidest decision that designer couldve made
Is that LS460 a long term tester for TFL, it's been in numerous videos over a long time span?
I always think these guys got paid by japanese company ..always prejudice. .shouldnt be a car reviewers
Kia is Korean
Were you paid by German companies? Your English is abysmal.
+Andrew Yang lmfao
The only infotainment systems that don't completely suck are BMWs and Mercedes. I think probably BMW has a slight edge right now, although the S550 and the new C class have the buttons and controls centered around where your hands rest INCLUDING the volume button, so your hand never really needs to leave the resting position to get where you're going.
Really compare a KIA with a Lexus !!KIA is economy car line,Lexus is true Luxury !!
I rather not talk about Lexus since Lexus has built quality cars for awhile so buying a lexus is a good choice, however for Kia K900 and only 66K- and you got the technology or features that are not available on some premium luxury cars like BMW, Mercedes Benz, Cadillac and Audi. And, if you buy cars like bmw, mercedes benz, and audi, you buy the name brand only. I'd purchased a 2010 BMW 750i Xdrive with just a little over 20k miles but you know what? It slept over the car dealer's service shop more than I had drove it. If you don't believe me I encourage you to go buy one and prove me wrong. In addition, I don't like TFL Car because they don't even disclosed the details of the car they only walk the straight line.
As far as the hierarchy of Luxury Reliability goes you can generally expect to see
Japanese-300,000 miles+
German- 200,000 miles
Korean- 180,000 miles
American- 150,000 miles
In terms of Luxury Features wise would rank: 1) German, 2) Japanese, 3) Korean, 4) American
I like some american cars but honestly our game sucks. I hope Cadillac is really serious this year about letting go of GM and soloing it, so they can revamp their company image. I don't even know if GMC is supposed to be a luxury brand, they have "alright" looking exteriors I guess, but the interiors are like a truck. I wouldn't even consider Tesla American, Elon Musk is a genius, but he's like god sent from another world to take advantage of the american facilities and marketing.
did your cornhole hurt when you pulled out hose numbers?
American much. anyways this is general numbers that you will find. Ive owned countless mercs, lexus, caddies, all of them ran into these general miles before they had to be replaced or serious malfunction. If i had to Id shit out numbers, I don't know why you would need to PULL anything from your ass unless you needed surgery.
+jorge romani go shit on your chevy aveo will you?
No that statement very false i don't know any Japanese car that goes over 300k other than a tundra my chevy tahoe from 2003 has 327,864 miles on it and only had to keep up with basic maintenance stop telling lies american cars are tough u can bash tf outta them and they still keep running 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Still, no one beats Lexus reliability or durability. You're almost there, Kia/Hyundai.
Stop talking about the brand, same thing you guys did in the genesis review
No
nathan adlen yeah you did, you guys are always too harsh on the korean cars, always.
I mean that’s what consumers would also look into the brand that’s also one thing people take into consideration when buying a car.
they are both good car most of it come down to mrp and stuff and the cost but for my opinion i think its both r good.
The Lexus is for people who are willing to pay for a name and the Kia is for sensible people who want a quality luxury vehicle for half the price without breaking the bank.
Considering Lexus is still considerably cheaper than lots of other Luxury brands. *cough* Mercedes *cough*.
Based off your comment, what does it say about the people who buy those? If you can afford it without having to skip a few meals, then what's the problem?
MrStretch again, the problem is ignorant people are bashing others that are buying the Kia and the nay sayers are willong to spend twice as much for the "Lexus" and yet never even test drove the Kia to compare every thing your getting for your 60K. If it were my money, hands down I'd be taking the Kia, Why pay more if you really don't have to anymore? Does a name really mean that much if your getting the same quality and features? It's not 1993 anymore people
DJEddieXZ Well, like I said, if you can afford to pay more to get what you want, then why not? Some people would disagree that the K900 and LS460 are of the same quality even if they test drove them both. Not knocking K900, but in most cases, you get what you pay for. If what you say is true, then wouldn't I be better off getting a fully loaded Chevy Impala or Toyota Avalon? Both are cheaper than the K900.
MrStretch That's true, you could get the avalon or Impala, I'm just saying that if I were in the Market for a luxury car and wanted something comparable to the Lexus LS but without the badge and didn't want to pay twice as much, I'd buy the K900, If someone else chooses the Lexus, more power to you, I just don't get the people who are on the "Bash Kia" bandwagon
Also, the Lexus is known for reliability. Kia not so much.
so biased. more numb feeling is considered more luxurious. I absolutely love how kia is just numb. that is exactly what I love about my kia amanti.
Call me crazy but I seriously can't stand the new Toyota/Lexus grill.... It's the ugliest grill on any car. The weird down and out angles reminds me of the throat snakes from the show "The Strain"... Just plain UGLY.
In the early nineties Car and Driver magazine did a road test comparison of the most popular mid-sized sedans available at that time. During a rest stop the crew had taken a passer-by asked, "What kind of car is that?" One of the testers said all the cars were different to which the passer-by exclaimed, "Oh, they're all different cars!" The crew stepped back to view the line-up of the cars they were driving and saw the observation made by the passer-by. All the cars had enough similar styling to make them appear to be one car. The same problem exists today as well. Manufacturers do not design character into their cars anymore, instead every car has some design element from every other car. GM is the worse for this copy-cat design and they used to make some of the best looking cars on the road. The first and third generation of Firebird and Camaro are a testament to that. Also, nowadays pert near all the car makes have a mission to stuff as much techno crap in their cars as possible. Aside from a few European cars every interior has so such electronic this and automatic that one would be lucky to find a place to sit down. But all in all the European's approach to exterior and interior car design is still better looking and a lot less cluttered.
The kia looks better by far
Really like the K900 and I really like the Lexus. but for 66k you get a really nice package, sure Kia isn't all that mighty as a luxury brand but I really like where Kia is going
call me crazy but would take the kia more bang for your buck but lexus would be 2nd before all that European shit
+loyal4 the way that is very true. My friend still has his 93 LS that he uses as a daily now.
+loyal4 the way True
+brandon612 Yea I got a 97 LS with 206k miles on it and the only problem I have had over my 15 years of owning it was replacing noisy uppercontrol arms for like $500. We also have a 2009 LS460 and a 2015 RX450h that I think will run forever as well.
I'd have a Hyundai, Lincoln, Cadillac or even a Mercedes. In that order to I guess.
+brandon612 i disagree with you...i would take the Lexus BUT the kia before any European shit xD
Wow! great opening shot background. very beautiful landscape.
LOL...THESE CARS ARENT EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS
How long will it take for this channel to stop posting on UA-cam?
Thanx . .
kia k900 the best
These "experts" are clueless
Think of it this way: Buy the Kia and get 100,000 miles worth of gas (at today's prices) for free.
True but thats 100,000 miles in a Kia versus a Lexus. Pretty sure the Lexus will be more worthwhile once you include depreciation, maintenance, and overall enjoyment.
Depreciation will be quite irrelevant by the time the car reaches 100k miles. At that kind of mileage for a luxury vehicle, both will be essentially worthless - in Canada, anyway.
Michael Chang Both might have little value remaining, but the Lexus will be worth more.
Michael Chang Both might have little value remaining, but the Lexus will be worth more.
YAKYAKYAK
1000$ ?
First, I Appreciate that I drive....Lexus helped me appreciate the fine tuned luxuries. Just appreciate don't depreciate! 😄😉😉😄
I'm sorry but i honestly could not spend so much on a Korean car...
ShaunJW1 Because the Kia doesn't satisfy your huge ego?
+WuWei Xu no it's because he's not crazy enough!
+ShaunJW1 Because you either couldn't afford it or you're too ignorant to know better
carlos oliveira I drive an Audi S3....
+ShaunJW Is that suppose to impress me? Your Audi is BELOW industry AVERAGE for quality and reliability. If you're implying that you can afford it then the second part of my statement must apply . So I don't really see your point.
If you guys only want to feel the road you don't want a luxury vehicle, you want a bicycle, preferable an alu frame, which will rattle your bones a bit!
kia k900 👍👍
people think because is a Kia it's worth nothing I use to agree and might of been true back then but Kia been improving so much and the models look so nice I take Kia then Lexus this time
I know the Kia isn't as good as the Lexus, but I absolutely love the lights on it, fantastic.
Lexus is the boss!
A 66,000 dollar car and a 90,000 dollar car isn't quite a fair comparison fellas.
Idk tho. The k900 having almost the exact same features wows me and you are selling it for 30 thousand dollars cheaper??? It makes me think that Lexus needs to really think about why they believe that Lexus in anyway should be almost 100k. The k900 in my opinion has a better design that will and has aged way better than that Lexus. I’d take that k900 over Lexus any day!
The moment I hear the voice of Roman I know I've made a shitty mistake clicking on the video. Roman seems to have a wrong job.
The styling of Lexus truly sucks. My GOD Roman, are you insane?
I almost reported your comment lmmfao... The styling of a Lexus LS is not up to your standard??? Lmmfao can you even step foot into a lexus dealership?
The KIA is a great car after its 3yr/36,00 mike lease at $24,000. WINNER!
The only reason to buy the Kia is because you can't afford the Lexus
Maybe because there is nothing in the Lexus that warrants a 30,000 premium
You obviously have not ever owned a lexus or a kia. I have owned both.
and.......
There is nothing in the Lexus that warrants a 30,000 premium.
My K900 had BETTER leather than the lexus and it is not plastic, it is wood Not that it really matters.
Interesting comment, given the Equus leather and is EXACTLY the same leather as that in the K900. Oh wait, the platform is the same. Hmmmm
Confused Much ?
Yes you are confused. YOU are the one that spoke to the leather quality vis a vis the Lexus.
Lexus is a fine car, no doubt, but you go ahead and buy it, and I will pocket the 40,000 difference.
Your arguments remind me of the arguments I heard when Lexus first hit the market, and was compared to Mercedes.
Like playing softball with my four year old.
"Aniline leather is a type of leather dyed exclusively with soluble dyes without covering the surface with a topcoat paint or insoluble pigments. The resulting product retains the hide's natural surface with the 'grain', i.e. visible pores, scars etc. of the complete original animal's skin structure.
Originally, the dyes used for this process were synthesized from aniline through chemical reactions.[citation needed] These dyes used to be called 'aniline dyes' or 'tar dyes'.[citation needed] In modern times, the dyes used are subject to laws and regulations in many countries, and the use of certain azo compounds is prohibited in the European Union as there are reasons to assume health risks.[1]"
Now lets see what Lexus says.........straight from their own site.
Lexus LS leather seats are made with top grain, vat dyed, automotive grade leather hides, and are finished in a European style, milled pebble. Our auto upholstery grade leather hides are thicker than most automotive leather hides and therefore hold a lot more of the moisture in to keep your leather seats soft and supple for years to come.
SWWWWWINNNNNNG AND A MISS.
Guys, you answered a rhetorical question with this video no one was asking. If you are looking for reviews on this Kia, you are not wondering if it's the best possible luxury car from Asia. We all know the Lexus is king. The question people are wondering is if it is the best car in the $50k-$60k range. Compare it to an Infinity or Acura like a reasonable shopper would.