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Wow! i didn't know he was in the hospitol over it. And i didn't know it was from such low pressure. I was fully planning on using a regulare hpa bottle but not anymore. Thank You for sharing that important info! I hope Noob recovers soon!
So sorry to hear about your health woes, Rune. Hope you have fast and full recovery. Take good care of yourself my friend, and I'll be here waiting for more videos when you're feeling better. Good fortune be with you 🙂
Greetings! I recently got one of these finally, and I love it. I've got the upgrade valve but haven't installed it yet. With this setup, don't they make an adapter that removes the original 2x Co2 tube? Can the stock fit over the 88g cart?
Greetings my friend. The upgraded valvehousing is great. Mine now gives over 50 joule. In this video I was hoping to get more power simply by putting the 88 gram CO2 in the rear of the 12 gram tube. That didnt work well. For max power buy the new 88 gram valve housing from www.homedefence-24.com/de-no/products/hdx68-druckgehause-plug-an-play-88g-40j?_pos=3&_sid=f79386129&_ss=r
Hi Rune, zuerst mal vielen Dank für die wirklich aufschlussreichen Videos. zudem hoffe ich, dass es der anderen Person wieder besser geht. Ich habe glaube ich die Antwort dafür, warum du bei 88g keine Mehrleistung erhalten hast. Es liegt wohl an dem Restrictor. In der 7,5 Joule Version ist wohl ein Plastikteil verbaut, was man entfernen kann. Dann ist die HDX frei und „offen“. In der 16 Joule Version ist der Restrictor wohl fest „gegossen“, so dass kein Plastikteil zum begrenzen vorhanden ist und somit auch nichts entfernt werden kann. Ich meine dies in anderen Videos zur HDX mal gesehen oder gehört zu haben. Damit würde sich auch erklären, warum die HdX keine höheren Joule Werte erreicht sondern einfach mehr hohe Schüsse zulässt. Kannst ja Mail kommentieren, ob das für dich schlüssig ist. Viele Grüße und Danke für Deine Videos. Mach weiter so und frohe Weihnachten. 🎄
Hello and thank you my friend. Iam glad you like my videos. I have now installed the 88 gram CO2 housing in it and I get ca 50 joule now. Take care my friend and have a nice Christmas. Kindest regards Rune 😃
is it possibly too cold 🥶❓ 64f° .. i would imagine it to get consistently the same results as Sean in Canada ? . . maybe its justa tad warmer there?. lol ☺ .. it did start coming thru for the win towards the end. ☝🏼☺ awesome video brother! love all your videos !!. you are WorldWide LLC Living Legend
Thank you brother. Iam very glad you like my videos 😃. I guess its the low temperature here. When I tested it back in august I got ca 43 joule from it using two 12 gram canisters. But I used aluminium balls then. Think I must redo the test and see what I get now 🤔. Take care brother and have a great weekend 😃👍
Thanks for the heads up👍 Hope your friend recovers completely 🖖👍 This is a 1st...!!! Climbing #'s...😃👍 Wasn't expecting this...cool data Indeed 👍 😎👍❤🖖 Love Brother
Got a 40J Version straight from the store (more like 60J).. It blows projectiles hard AF, like 400-500fps with the 88g, if i use 2x co2 adapter i get cca 30-40J.. the blast is insane, you know you can kill a man with a 20g ball bearing shatter a bone, insane gun.. That's home defence tool, not the 16J, or the 8.. You just piss a man off with that, robs you even harder, steals your socks and your shotgun😀
I am not a fan of HPA for many reasons. So I agree with you. For me, I like to conceal carry. And you can’t with HPA. I understand guys that can’t own firearms where they live. So they need HPA for maximum protection.
Another suggestion is: there is a small gauze at the bottom of the co2 tube. In mine it was loose so I removed it. Don’t have a crony to test but could that cause a power difference?
hello my friend! those adapters where you can close the canister are really great. doubt it works on a 40j in order to open it when I need to use it and safely leave it connected all the time and having it under pressure again at the push of a button...
Thanks Rune for the video and all your videos! They are the best! Thanks for the shout outs. All of those channels I subscribe to. Such a great community here. I saw the video that Noob posted about his accident and man does that suck! I wish him a full and fast recovery! That unit in the pics/video he posted looks like from behind the bolt to the valve is where the unit came apart. I am a Noob on steroids and do appreciate all the info here and in the community. These as well as all units under pressure or powder need safety 1st. Shooting glasses at a minimum! I commented on his channel about psi of these CO2 cannisters and it would appear that the psi isn't much different at 850 to 900 psi for a 12 gram and 900 to 1100 for an 88 gram. Your thoughts other than air temp being a factor? It is interesting that the HDX doesn't provide the same jump in power but is heavier built than the HDB. I had a HDX on order and cancelled it when the HDB landed. I have 2 1 modified and was going to try HPA. Not now? I have the HPA in a modded HDR 68 for 6 months now no issues. DK put it together. My 1st T4E is a HDR 50 modded but I have only ran CO2 it. Last thing...I bought a Umarex Notos PCP .22 It seems to be a well built unit and for what it has for feature and what it costs. $ 269 with 700 fps will take down any small pest at 30 yards and is very accurate for target and plinking with a moderator. SKOL! Be safe everyone!
Thank you my friend. Iam very glad you like my videos. I think the reason for NOOB accident was stress in the CO2 tube. He had filled it a few weeks ago to 2000 PSI on accident. The gun didnt breake then but it could have weakend it. It was the CO2 tube that blowed out he told me. I have seen several videos where folks put 1100 PSI in their markers without any problems, but it might be risky. I think I will only use max 850 PSI if I use HPA in them. On a warm day CO2 can give ca 1100 PSI max from what Iam told so the markers should be able to handle it. I saw a video a few years ago where a guy had his HDR50 blow to pices with CO2, so you never know with these types of guns... The HDX has a thin brass tube from the CO2 canister to the valve. This limmits the amount of CO2 and the power it can give. My HDX has given 43 joule when I tested it back in august, but it was warmer then and I used aluminium balls. I will make more videos testing it out. No need to buy the HDX if you have the HDB 😉. Airguns are fun to. Take care my friend and happy shooting. Cheers from Norway SKÅL 😃👍🍺
Wow not the results i was expecting either. The only that i did different according to the internet was my restrictor is installed backwards. Could that be the difference I am not sure. I have some 90g co2 coming this week i will retry. It did start winding up at the end 🧐 One other thing it could be the pin valve adapter limiting the fill of the existing 2x12 chamber and why it took so long to power up. I use a Pepperball on/off and it has no such pin it is just full open or closed based on the valve.
Yes its very strange. It started out at just 194 fps and gave 283 fps max. So ca 37 joule on a few shots before dropping down again after I closed the pinvalve. Back in august when I got 43 joules from it I used aluminium balls. Maybe thats a reason? Plus colder here now. I shot 25 shots in this video and it used ca 30 gram CO2. I think you are right abouth the pinvalve. It only trickels in the CO2. It took several seconds before the marker charged and the pressure indicator popped out 🤔. If you can redo the test it would be great 🙂👍
@@runerebel8441 someone had the same problem with low numbers and kind of that build. Don't remember who made the video and if it was on co2 or hPa. Don't think it's the ammo. The gas flow has problems for a unknown reason. Probably the gas chamber is too big because normally the 88g goes directly at the 40j version and in the 16 or 7.5 you have cartridges in the tube. Maybe try to put 2 sealed cartridges also and try again.
Hi, do you know how to connect an HPA system to an HDX 68? I found a tank and regulator on the Homedefence 24 website but there is no adapter that fits the thread where the CO2 88g comes in. I sent them 3 messages on how to connect it but they are not responding to my messages. I need help because this is already disappointing, they have a conversion kit for the HDX but the thread on the rifle does not match the one on the regulator.
Just a thought about the power fluctuations.. I do wonder if it makes any difference depending on how long you keep the trigger depressed after each shot. I would assume the gun resets immediately after a shot is fired. But if there was even the smallest of time difference, could it allow more gas through?. Easy way to test is to fire and once shot, keep trigger pulled back until it’s obvious no gas is still coming out. See what the power figures are. Then do the same but releasing the trigger immediately after shot fired. Just an idea but you never know.
Just an idea based on my experience with PCP air rifles; 2 way valve (if that is indeed what is installed) too much pressure would cause it not to open fully or for the necessary time duration to allow enough gas into the system, and so low results initially with a gradual creep up to ideal pressure, then again dropping as the Co2 begins to deplete and cannot sustain adequate pressure levels. With x2 12g capsules, the pressure is more or less ideal for the valve settings and so you tend start at optimal settings and end low following a fairly linear downward curve. The way around this in a PCP gun is to increase the hammer spring tension which allows more gas through at higher pressures, however I don't recognise anything familiar from the internals of these things, and can't really see any way of adjusting. I may be completely wrong but just thought it might be worth considering!
Yes. For a PCP that is how its done. I have tinkered a lot with PCP guns some years back. The valve system is completly diffren in these T4E markers. They normaly work on the spool valve design, so there is no hammer spring to change. It has a valve/bolt spring but its not something I will tinker with. The easiyest way is to open the volume inside the valve plus increase the flow of CO2. But its not so easy to work on the HDX...
@@runerebel8441 No they most certainly aren't easy to work with! I've had a good look around inside the HDX now since discovering a leak around the indicator pin. My first attempt at a take down was approximately 3 hours!
@@mysticalpotato86 Yes its a pain to work on. It took me one hour taking it apart and then another hour putting it back together. I dont think I will open it again unless it starts leaking...
@@runerebel8441 Do you think your teflon spray trick works on the 40joule version? On 2x12 its a little less powerfull, I was thinking maybe it works to give it some power.
@@patricksieses53 Hi. Yes I think so. The partsdiagram show the small brass restrictor in all versions, also the 40 joule version. So it might be worth a try 🤔
@@runerebel8441 Thanks, I already bought some yesterday and tried it. I think it has more power, but without a chrono im not sure 100% , thank you for all your efforts! You are the best!!
@@maxmimospanos No regulator for the CO2. But I guess the CO2 pressure is quite constant at ca 1100 PSI when using the larger 88 gram canister. But you need the new valvehousing from www.homedefence-24.com to make it give hi power.
wow i didnt know that about hpa danger with noob ! . well todays 12-17-24 i got in my long awaited hdx . when i ordered it , it said it was the 11 joules version and shot 300 fps . when i got it , it said it shot 250 fps and is the 7.5 version , so yeah , i am highly upset ! lol . i called umarex usa , they told me mcs,defense inovations sells the 11j version only , they have exclusive contracts from umarex and sometimes they also sell them on amazon !, but the one i got isnt this i want , dunno if i will keep it yet ! does your box says it can shoot paintballs also ?
Hi my friend. Try some teflonespray down the CO2 tube. It might make the small brass restrioctor pop out. Dont shoot paintballs in it. They will breake and mess up your marker..
@@runerebel8441 i have some paintballs from my game days , about 14 yrs old i figure , i had about 5000 but shot over 700 through my mercury rise intrubuster . so i thought the hdx could do it , , i shot maybe 9 or 10 , then finally one broke , so i got rags and a long stick and cleaned it , i wont do that again lol ! i been using teflon and teflon based formulations for a couple of decades now my brother . teflon is awesome , just google "SLICK 50 " it was a product i been using in my fast cars since it came out late 70's early 80's . this stuff is an engine saver !!! PTFE i have used in all things i could think of with moving parts , does wonders for paintball . teflon coated bullets are dangerous also , helps defeat bullet proof vest .anyways thanks for recommendations my brother !
With cad machines, (regarding parts failures on hpa) we can manufacture our own titanium/steel components. Someone needs to map them, and create the cad file. I haven't got this type of technology, but someone out there will.
Noob seems like a good guy and I hope he's fine. I have been warning him about the super high PSI but I never expected that these couldn't handle 500 PSI. It's just not worth the risk if the markers are designed for paintball and made out of cheap materials. I wouldn't do it for a single UA-cam video just to show destruction and it's definitely not worth it for self defense.
I hope he feels better today. I guess his HDB had got some stress from when he carged it up to 2000 PSI. So when he put 500 PSI in it then it snapped... These are made of plastic and potmetal. Dont think I put anything other than CO2 in mine from now.... 🤔
@@runerebel8441 They are built for 12g CO2 cartridges (or 2). Anything larger is also a risk for CO2 imo, especially in hot climates. In general, CO2 is riskier overall and less reliable but we can all agree that the engineers designed these with certain tolerances and Joule junkies should proceed with extreme caution.
@@ScaredyCatTacticalhmm, guess soon someone will create all necessary parts from steel...if it's possible. Parts looks a bit complicated to reproduce.
@@sven471111 The template for making air-powered launchers with big air chambers is out in the public domain now. Someone will do it eventually and make a robust prototype that catches the eye of the ATF. So be careful what you wish for. I consider it likely that at some point here in the USA if that happens, legislators will pass a law to classify them as firearms.
@@ScaredyCatTactical you're right, but as we saw exactly in the past what happened to simple paintball guns and what we have today from it... there's always someone who wants more for whatever reason. I think we are at a point where it's enough modified and with more we will leave the already reached grey zone where less lethal loses the "less" for sure. Up to 70j in case of the HDB or just the arrows for the HDR/ HDS what already at 11j is not so less lethal anymore.
Why are you holding it so close? I'm watching so many videos and I'm trying to get AU. Yes. Version of how powerful this thing is. And maybe this is a European version that I came across. Because everybody's putting power boosters on them and mod kids to make them more powerful. I don't understand Jules. And I can't find a video where somebody actually does. Ballistic testing on this or shoots from a 1015 foot distance to 20 which would be a real life scenario. If you were really trying to shoot someone with it, see what type of damage it will cost to like a watermelon or pumpkin and the stock. I don't know what's going on with that. Why it hangs out so far? And you don't have it up on your shoulder. I believe it does collapse. The real one does anyway. If you know anything about this, Shotgun, that you're using. Maybe not the same model. That's all metal we get in the u. Yes. There's a power upkit for it if that's just for you guys. Because they kind of make you kinda like it. Paintball tournaments tune the guns down so you can have them which makes no sense. I literally have a $30 brake barrel Browning. Mark 5 pistol with AJSB. Pellet slug. I promise that I can crack somebody's skull. Or do Larry painful damage if I hit them in the face from any distance. With those and don't get me started with the break barrel 22 rifles here I got a bunch of them off gamo. A while ago for a third of the price, they were new/refurbished recertified, and the one that's supposed to be the most powerful break barrel rifle. I have 2 of them. One of them has the suppressed barrel. I think that's the whisper, something and the other one I can't remember. A similar but is supposed to be more powerful with a regular metal barrel. I don't have a chronograph but I know that within a 50 yd distance. It does if not as much or more damage than my actual 22 firearm. Rifle would do and I took a gammo camo that I got for 80 bucks U. Yes. Brand new off their website. Actually, that's probably one of my favorites and it was the cheapest because it's ridiculous neon camo orange. Anyway, my point, it has competition style. Ghost brings with tridium or I can throw An optic from my long rifles that are Pretty much made to be shot between 35 up to one of them. A 1000 yd with the rifle that's a higher caliber. Or I can use a medium size scope and smack a 150 yd away. Metal plates with that gamma camo with A32 grain. I think or 30 something green. Either 8 to 9 or JSB Diablo. And from about 50 yd, one night. I shot it at the stop sign at the end of the street. I don't know why it was loud s*** I had to hurry up and run around the side of the house. Cause it was dark lol, because the neighbors and. S*** turn their lights on and it's a state park for a backstop. So there was no danger of hidden anything anyway. I looked at it the next day. And it was stuck into the sign. Look like it went about halfway through crazy. The power of these things have, but if you're in the break barrel rifles and you just want to cheap. Very powerful 22 rifle. The gamma website has the gammo camo, far 99 or less brand new, and it is besides my whisper and the other ridiculous. One that's supposed to be the most powerful. I think it's called the swarm magnom. And a swarm fusion whisper they are. Between those 2, the gammo camo. Maybe because the barrel is not suppressed. Or it's just a louder gun because the. Metal barrel, no suppressor and it's single shot. Unlike the other 2, so they're more accurate as well. And because they don't get broke as much. There seem to be more powerful than for me. And the umbrex trevox pistol, if you don't have one of those, get 1 that is literally a break rifle and a pistol size. I have the Franklin whatever trail. Ridiculous robocop pistol that says it shoots 7 to 800 feet per second and the trails shoots 600 the tray box. Is a tack driver and will destroy the Benjamin and power distance precision everything but anyway, enjoy sorry about the rat. I got excited thinking about how it gones until it done days and getting back into it and God carried away e b safe, happy shooting
Thanks. Iam glad you like the video. This was just a test to see if I could get more power from it using the 88 gram CO2 tank, just screwing it on the end of the CO2 tube. Didnt work so well. No gain in power as I could see. I have now put on the 88 gram CO2 valvehousing from HD-24 and get ca 50 joule from that marker. So with powertuning it can be made more powerful. But its a lot of work to do so and its alweays a risk breaking something. Take care and stay safe my friend. Greetings from Norway😃
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Thank you brother 😃👍
I truly hope our "airgunning brother" recovers very soon.
Your one of my favorites out here Rune...PLEASE stay safe!
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Hello my friend. Thats great 😃
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Wow! i didn't know he was in the hospitol over it. And i didn't know it was from such low pressure. I was fully planning on using a regulare hpa bottle but not anymore. Thank You for sharing that important info! I hope Noob recovers soon!
Thanks my friend. I hope he will recover soon. 😃👍
So sorry to hear about your health woes, Rune. Hope you have fast and full recovery. Take good care of yourself my friend, and I'll be here waiting for more videos when you're feeling better. Good fortune be with you 🙂
Thank you my friend. Hope to be back as normal soon :)
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Have you ever placed two child tube socks over an 88 co2 cartridge, then a slap hand warmer in between the socks when using. Slip off when not using.?
No. Never tried that... I know people that has used handwarmes for CO2 airguns with luck so I think it will work on this model also...
WoW i didn't expect that.
I presumed the 88g Co2 would give more power. Thanks for that review.
Thanks. Iam glad you like the video. I was suprised too. I had hoped for more power...
Greetings!
I recently got one of these finally, and I love it. I've got the upgrade valve but haven't installed it yet.
With this setup, don't they make an adapter that removes the original 2x Co2 tube?
Can the stock fit over the 88g cart?
Greetings my friend. The upgraded valvehousing is great. Mine now gives over 50 joule. In this video I was hoping to get more power simply by putting the 88 gram CO2 in the rear of the 12 gram tube. That didnt work well. For max power buy the new 88 gram valve housing from www.homedefence-24.com/de-no/products/hdx68-druckgehause-plug-an-play-88g-40j?_pos=3&_sid=f79386129&_ss=r
Hi Rune, zuerst mal vielen Dank für die wirklich aufschlussreichen Videos. zudem hoffe ich, dass es der anderen Person wieder besser geht. Ich habe glaube ich die Antwort dafür, warum du bei 88g keine Mehrleistung erhalten hast. Es liegt wohl an dem Restrictor. In der 7,5 Joule Version ist wohl ein Plastikteil verbaut, was man entfernen kann. Dann ist die HDX frei und „offen“. In der 16 Joule Version ist der Restrictor wohl fest „gegossen“, so dass kein Plastikteil zum begrenzen vorhanden ist und somit auch nichts entfernt werden kann. Ich meine dies in anderen Videos zur HDX mal gesehen oder gehört zu haben. Damit würde sich auch erklären, warum die HdX keine höheren Joule Werte erreicht sondern einfach mehr hohe Schüsse zulässt. Kannst ja Mail kommentieren, ob das für dich schlüssig ist. Viele Grüße und Danke für Deine Videos. Mach weiter so und frohe Weihnachten. 🎄
Hello and thank you my friend. Iam glad you like my videos. I have now installed the 88 gram CO2 housing in it and I get ca 50 joule now. Take care my friend and have a nice Christmas. Kindest regards Rune 😃
is it possibly too cold 🥶❓ 64f°
.. i would imagine it to get consistently the same results as Sean in Canada ? . . maybe its justa tad warmer there?. lol ☺ .. it did start coming thru for the win towards the end. ☝🏼☺ awesome video brother!
love all your videos !!. you are WorldWide LLC Living Legend
Thank you brother. Iam very glad you like my videos 😃. I guess its the low temperature here. When I tested it back in august I got ca 43 joule from it using two 12 gram canisters. But I used aluminium balls then. Think I must redo the test and see what I get now 🤔. Take care brother and have a great weekend 😃👍
Thanks for the heads up👍
Hope your friend recovers completely 🖖👍
This is a 1st...!!!
Climbing #'s...😃👍
Wasn't expecting this...cool data Indeed 👍
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Thanks brother. I hope he will recover soon. Cheers bro 😃
Where can I purchase the 16 Joule version of the HDX68???
I cannot seem to find it.
Hi. I bought mine here www.game-on.no/products/hdx-68-t4e-trening-paintball-hagle---68-kaliber---skyter-gummipulverkuler
Got a 40J Version straight from the store (more like 60J).. It blows projectiles hard AF, like 400-500fps with the 88g, if i use 2x co2 adapter i get cca 30-40J.. the blast is insane, you know you can kill a man with a 20g ball bearing shatter a bone, insane gun.. That's home defence tool, not the 16J, or the 8.. You just piss a man off with that, robs you even harder, steals your socks and your shotgun😀
I got the new 88 gram adapter for it. Now it gives ca 50 joule. Its a hard hitting marker for sure.
I am not a fan of HPA for many reasons. So I agree with you. For me, I like to conceal carry. And you can’t with HPA. I understand guys that can’t own firearms where they live. So they need HPA for maximum protection.
Yes. Very true. With HPA you get maximum power, but it comes at a risk. I guess I stick with CO2 🤔
Another suggestion is: there is a small gauze at the bottom of the co2 tube. In mine it was loose so I removed it. Don’t have a crony to test but could that cause a power difference?
Not sure. Maybe 🤔
hello my friend! those adapters where you can close the canister are really great. doubt it works on a 40j in order to open it when I need to use it and safely leave it connected all the time and having it under pressure again at the push of a button...
Hello my friend. Sounds like a good adapter 👍
Thanks Rune for the video and all your videos! They are the best!
Thanks for the shout outs. All of those channels I subscribe to. Such a great community here.
I saw the video that Noob posted about his accident and man does that suck! I wish him a full and fast recovery! That unit in the pics/video he posted looks like from behind the bolt to the valve is where the unit came apart.
I am a Noob on steroids and do appreciate all the info here and in the community. These as well as all units under pressure or powder need safety 1st. Shooting glasses at a minimum!
I commented on his channel about psi of these CO2 cannisters and it would appear that the psi isn't much different at 850 to 900 psi for a 12 gram and 900 to 1100 for an 88 gram. Your thoughts other than air temp being a factor? It is interesting that the HDX doesn't provide the same jump in power but is heavier built than the HDB. I had a HDX on order and cancelled it when the HDB landed. I have 2 1 modified and was going to try HPA. Not now?
I have the HPA in a modded HDR 68 for 6 months now no issues. DK put it together. My 1st T4E is a HDR 50 modded but I have only ran CO2 it.
Last thing...I bought a Umarex Notos PCP .22 It seems to be a well built unit and for what it has for feature and what it costs. $ 269 with 700 fps will take down any small pest at 30 yards and is very accurate for target and plinking with a moderator.
SKOL!
Be safe everyone!
Thank you my friend. Iam very glad you like my videos. I think the reason for NOOB accident was stress in the CO2 tube. He had filled it a few weeks ago to 2000 PSI on accident. The gun didnt breake then but it could have weakend it. It was the CO2 tube that blowed out he told me. I have seen several videos where folks put 1100 PSI in their markers without any problems, but it might be risky. I think I will only use max 850 PSI if I use HPA in them. On a warm day CO2 can give ca 1100 PSI max from what Iam told so the markers should be able to handle it. I saw a video a few years ago where a guy had his HDR50 blow to pices with CO2, so you never know with these types of guns... The HDX has a thin brass tube from the CO2 canister to the valve. This limmits the amount of CO2 and the power it can give. My HDX has given 43 joule when I tested it back in august, but it was warmer then and I used aluminium balls. I will make more videos testing it out. No need to buy the HDX if you have the HDB 😉. Airguns are fun to. Take care my friend and happy shooting. Cheers from Norway SKÅL 😃👍🍺
@@runerebel8441 Thanks Rune!
Wow not the results i was expecting either. The only that i did different according to the internet was my restrictor is installed backwards. Could that be the difference I am not sure. I have some 90g co2 coming this week i will retry. It did start winding up at the end 🧐
One other thing it could be the pin valve adapter limiting the fill of the existing 2x12 chamber and why it took so long to power up. I use a Pepperball on/off and it has no such pin it is just full open or closed based on the valve.
Yes its very strange. It started out at just 194 fps and gave 283 fps max. So ca 37 joule on a few shots before dropping down again after I closed the pinvalve. Back in august when I got 43 joules from it I used aluminium balls. Maybe thats a reason? Plus colder here now. I shot 25 shots in this video and it used ca 30 gram CO2. I think you are right abouth the pinvalve. It only trickels in the CO2. It took several seconds before the marker charged and the pressure indicator popped out 🤔. If you can redo the test it would be great 🙂👍
@@runerebel8441 definitely will redo before i cut the tube off 😂.
@@lesslethalfordummies 😁👍
@@runerebel8441 someone had the same problem with low numbers and kind of that build. Don't remember who made the video and if it was on co2 or hPa. Don't think it's the ammo. The gas flow has problems for a unknown reason. Probably the gas chamber is too big because normally the 88g goes directly at the 40j version and in the 16 or 7.5 you have cartridges in the tube. Maybe try to put 2 sealed cartridges also and try again.
@@sven471111 More testing is needed... 🤔
Hi, do you know how to connect an HPA system to an HDX 68? I found a tank and regulator on the Homedefence 24 website but there is no adapter that fits the thread where the CO2 88g comes in. I sent them 3 messages on how to connect it but they are not responding to my messages. I need help because this is already disappointing, they have a conversion kit for the HDX but the thread on the rifle does not match the one on the regulator.
Hi. Man kann es aber auch umbauen auf 88 g so dass der schaft wieder draufpasst? Oder nicht? Mfg
Hi. Yes. I dont use it this way normaly. This was just a test to see if I got more power from it.
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Just a thought about the power fluctuations.. I do wonder if it makes any difference depending on how long you keep the trigger depressed after each shot. I would assume the gun resets immediately after a shot is fired. But if there was even the smallest of time difference, could it allow more gas through?. Easy way to test is to fire and once shot, keep trigger pulled back until it’s obvious no gas is still coming out. See what the power figures are. Then do the same but releasing the trigger immediately after shot fired. Just an idea but you never know.
I can try it but I doubt it will help. The trigger resets when firing, so keeping it in should not matter. But I will try and see 😃
un saludo desde España , de donde eres Rune Rebel????
Hello my friend. Iam from Oslo, Norway 😃
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Espero estés bien , por lo de las inundaciones , un Saludo Grande.
Thank you my friend. Iam OK, but the flod has done a lot of damage here. Greetings from Norway@@josevilledofolch8491
Just an idea based on my experience with PCP air rifles; 2 way valve (if that is indeed what is installed) too much pressure would cause it not to open fully or for the necessary time duration to allow enough gas into the system, and so low results initially with a gradual creep up to ideal pressure, then again dropping as the Co2 begins to deplete and cannot sustain adequate pressure levels. With x2 12g capsules, the pressure is more or less ideal for the valve settings and so you tend start at optimal settings and end low following a fairly linear downward curve. The way around this in a PCP gun is to increase the hammer spring tension which allows more gas through at higher pressures, however I don't recognise anything familiar from the internals of these things, and can't really see any way of adjusting. I may be completely wrong but just thought it might be worth considering!
Yes. For a PCP that is how its done. I have tinkered a lot with PCP guns some years back. The valve system is completly diffren in these T4E markers. They normaly work on the spool valve design, so there is no hammer spring to change. It has a valve/bolt spring but its not something I will tinker with. The easiyest way is to open the volume inside the valve plus increase the flow of CO2. But its not so easy to work on the HDX...
@@runerebel8441 No they most certainly aren't easy to work with! I've had a good look around inside the HDX now since discovering a leak around the indicator pin. My first attempt at a take down was approximately 3 hours!
@@mysticalpotato86 Yes its a pain to work on. It took me one hour taking it apart and then another hour putting it back together. I dont think I will open it again unless it starts leaking...
0:58 how come? Standard co2 12g tank has more than 900PSI often see ua-cam.com/video/TsO-J73ARCc/v-deo.html
The CO2 tube on several models has a tendency to blow off the marker. It even happends with 12 gram CO2 canisters....
@@runerebel8441 blow on 12g co2?? I'm shocked. These must be total junk not real markers from verified seller.
How do you use the hdx with 88g CO2 does it directly screw in the back?
Yes. You can screw it in the back with an adapter. Check out adapters etc from www.homedefence-24,com
@@runerebel8441 Do you think your teflon spray trick works on the 40joule version? On 2x12 its a little less powerfull, I was thinking maybe it works to give it some power.
@@patricksieses53 Hi. Yes I think so. The partsdiagram show the small brass restrictor in all versions, also the 40 joule version. So it might be worth a try 🤔
@@runerebel8441 Thanks, I already bought some yesterday and tried it. I think it has more power, but without a chrono im not sure 100% , thank you for all your efforts! You are the best!!
@@patricksieses53 Thanks my friend
I think the problem is the double co2 tube. I havent see anyone trying hpa to the 40j version. I bet that one will keep 40j performance.
Yes. With the new 88 gram CO2 housing from HD-24 the power goes up quite a bit. Mine gives ca 50 joule now :)
@@runerebel8441 What pressure output is your regulator?
@@maxmimospanos No regulator for the CO2. But I guess the CO2 pressure is quite constant at ca 1100 PSI when using the larger 88 gram canister. But you need the new valvehousing from www.homedefence-24.com to make it give hi power.
wow i didnt know that about hpa danger with noob ! . well todays 12-17-24 i got in my long awaited hdx . when i ordered it , it said it was the 11 joules version and shot 300 fps . when i got it , it said it shot 250 fps and is the 7.5 version , so yeah , i am highly upset ! lol . i called umarex usa , they told me mcs,defense inovations sells the 11j version only , they have exclusive contracts from umarex and sometimes they also sell them on amazon !, but the one i got isnt this i want , dunno if i will keep it yet ! does your box says it can shoot paintballs also ?
Hi my friend. Try some teflonespray down the CO2 tube. It might make the small brass restrioctor pop out. Dont shoot paintballs in it. They will breake and mess up your marker..
@@runerebel8441 i have some paintballs from my game days , about 14 yrs old i figure , i had about 5000 but shot over 700 through my mercury rise intrubuster . so i thought the hdx could do it , , i shot maybe 9 or 10 , then finally one broke , so i got rags and a long stick and cleaned it , i wont do that again lol !
i been using teflon and teflon based formulations for a couple of decades now my brother . teflon is awesome , just google "SLICK 50 " it was a product i been using in my fast cars since it came out late 70's early 80's . this stuff is an engine saver !!! PTFE i have used in all things i could think of with moving parts , does wonders for paintball .
teflon coated bullets are dangerous also , helps defeat bullet proof vest .anyways thanks for recommendations my brother !
With cad machines, (regarding parts failures on hpa) we can manufacture our own titanium/steel components. Someone needs to map them, and create the cad file. I haven't got this type of technology, but someone out there will.
I guess most things can be copied these days...
No need to show the chrony after every shot my friend, just call out the numbers . . . no one in his/her right mind will doubt you. Love your channel.
Thank you my friend. Iam so used to showing the chrony after each shot, but I will try to remember. Cheers from Norway 😃
Thank you again.
Thanks my friend. Iam very glad you like my videos 😃
Noob seems like a good guy and I hope he's fine. I have been warning him about the super high PSI but I never expected that these couldn't handle 500 PSI. It's just not worth the risk if the markers are designed for paintball and made out of cheap materials. I wouldn't do it for a single UA-cam video just to show destruction and it's definitely not worth it for self defense.
I hope he feels better today. I guess his HDB had got some stress from when he carged it up to 2000 PSI. So when he put 500 PSI in it then it snapped... These are made of plastic and potmetal. Dont think I put anything other than CO2 in mine from now.... 🤔
@@runerebel8441 They are built for 12g CO2 cartridges (or 2). Anything larger is also a risk for CO2 imo, especially in hot climates. In general, CO2 is riskier overall and less reliable but we can all agree that the engineers designed these with certain tolerances and Joule junkies should proceed with extreme caution.
@@ScaredyCatTacticalhmm, guess soon someone will create all necessary parts from steel...if it's possible. Parts looks a bit complicated to reproduce.
@@sven471111 The template for making air-powered launchers with big air chambers is out in the public domain now. Someone will do it eventually and make a robust prototype that catches the eye of the ATF. So be careful what you wish for. I consider it likely that at some point here in the USA if that happens, legislators will pass a law to classify them as firearms.
@@ScaredyCatTactical you're right, but as we saw exactly in the past what happened to simple paintball guns and what we have today from it... there's always someone who wants more for whatever reason. I think we are at a point where it's enough modified and with more we will leave the already reached grey zone where less lethal loses the "less" for sure. Up to 70j in case of the HDB or just the arrows for the HDR/ HDS what already at 11j is not so less lethal anymore.
Fun shooting
Sure is 😃👍
not bored informed thanks god bless
Thank you my friend :)
Too bad,that someone hasn't figured out a way to refill those 88 gram bottles.
A valve and a foster fitting.
It can be done, but you need the right adapters for it 🤔. To bad I dont have that .... So for now I use the orginal factory filled types...
Why are you holding it so close? I'm watching so many videos and I'm trying to get AU. Yes.
Version of how powerful this thing is. And maybe this is a European version that I came across. Because everybody's putting power boosters on them and mod kids to make them more powerful. I don't understand Jules. And I can't find a video where somebody actually does. Ballistic testing on this or shoots from a 1015 foot distance to 20 which would be a real life scenario. If you were really trying to shoot someone with it, see what type of damage it will cost to like a watermelon or pumpkin and the stock. I don't know what's going on with that. Why it hangs out so far? And you don't have it up on your shoulder. I believe it does collapse. The real one does anyway. If you know anything about this, Shotgun, that you're using. Maybe not the same model. That's all metal we get in the u. Yes. There's a power upkit for it if that's just for you guys. Because they kind of make you kinda like it. Paintball tournaments tune the guns down so you can have them which makes no sense. I literally have a $30 brake barrel Browning. Mark 5 pistol with AJSB. Pellet slug. I promise that I can crack somebody's skull. Or do Larry painful damage if I hit them in the face from any distance. With those and don't get me started with the break barrel 22 rifles here I got a bunch of them off gamo. A while ago for a third of the price, they were new/refurbished recertified, and the one that's supposed to be the most powerful break barrel rifle. I have 2 of them. One of them has the suppressed barrel. I think that's the whisper, something and the other one I can't remember. A similar but is supposed to be more powerful with a regular metal barrel. I don't have a chronograph but I know that within a 50 yd distance. It does if not as much or more damage than my actual 22 firearm. Rifle would do and I took a gammo camo that I got for 80 bucks U. Yes. Brand new off their website. Actually, that's probably one of my favorites and it was the cheapest because it's ridiculous neon camo orange. Anyway, my point, it has competition style. Ghost brings with tridium or I can throw An optic from my long rifles that are Pretty much made to be shot between 35 up to one of them. A 1000 yd with the rifle that's a higher caliber. Or I can use a medium size scope and smack a 150 yd away. Metal plates with that gamma camo with A32 grain. I think or 30 something green. Either 8 to 9 or JSB Diablo. And from about 50 yd, one night. I shot it at the stop sign at the end of the street. I don't know why it was loud s*** I had to hurry up and run around the side of the house. Cause it was dark lol, because the neighbors and. S*** turn their lights on and it's a state park for a backstop. So there was no danger of hidden anything anyway. I looked at it the next day. And it was stuck into the sign. Look like it went about halfway through crazy. The power of these things have, but if you're in the break barrel rifles and you just want to cheap. Very powerful 22 rifle. The gamma website has the gammo camo, far 99 or less brand new, and it is besides my whisper and the other ridiculous. One that's supposed to be the most powerful. I think it's called the swarm magnom. And a swarm fusion whisper they are. Between those 2, the gammo camo. Maybe because the barrel is not suppressed. Or it's just a louder gun because the.
Metal barrel, no suppressor and it's single shot. Unlike the other 2, so they're more accurate as well. And because they don't get broke as much. There seem to be more powerful than for me. And the umbrex trevox pistol, if you don't have one of those, get 1 that is literally a break rifle and a pistol size. I have the Franklin whatever trail. Ridiculous robocop pistol that says it shoots 7 to 800 feet per second and the trails shoots 600 the tray box. Is a tack driver and will destroy the Benjamin and power distance precision everything but anyway, enjoy sorry about the rat. I got excited thinking about how it gones until it done days and getting back into it and God carried away e b safe, happy shooting
Thanks. Iam glad you like the video. This was just a test to see if I could get more power from it using the 88 gram CO2 tank, just screwing it on the end of the CO2 tube. Didnt work so well. No gain in power as I could see. I have now put on the 88 gram CO2 valvehousing from HD-24 and get ca 50 joule from that marker. So with powertuning it can be made more powerful. But its a lot of work to do so and its alweays a risk breaking something. Take care and stay safe my friend. Greetings from Norway😃
It looks terrible sorry
Yes I know. It was just a test. This is an old video. My new videos show it with the new 88 gram valve housing. Looks MUCH beter now.