price / performance wise, you get 80%-90% the performance in higher resolutions for exactly a quarter the price. X3D also is not about high fps, but great frame times. A 7800X3D on sale will stay the best solution for AM5. 5700X3D for AM4.
It will work on any, even cheapest AM4 board, you can pair it with $50 aliexpress or any used $30 junk you can find. So even if you trying to build "new" cheap gaming PC it's still a viable option.
Unfortunately AMD is clearly treating AM4 as the replacement for low end AM5 CPUs. It's the reason why there are no AM5 Ryzen 3 or Athlon CPUs (there is the Ryzen 3 8300G but it's only available to OEMs and SIs). I consider it unfortunate because it means people who can't afford a Ryzen 5 7600 or 8600G are left buying motherboards with no upgrade path and memory they won't be able to reuse when they'll need to upgrade.
Seeing how that Socket evolved, I'm really sad I sold my AM4 system with a Ryzen 2200G back in 2018. The upgrade path would have been a joy, but that wasn't always so sure. The discussions around Ryzen 3000/4000/5000 likely not beeing supported on "older" Chipsets (MSI) was scary and made the whole "AM4 long time support" claims by AMD look stupid. But in the end the support turned out to be excellent. Not least because many consumers and independant media here on UA-cam held AMD to their promised long term support.
sadly not here. especially with ryzen 7500f cheaper here for almost 100 usd. it simply doesn't make any sense to go with 14400f. also who is upgrading the am4 platform to the 1700 platform another deadend platform.
If you're building a new system then it makes no sense to use LGA 1700 unless you can get the motherboard and CPU for dirt cheap. Otherwise you're better off getting onto the AM5 platform even if you have to settle for the Ryzen 5 7600 or 8600G. The fact that you can upgrade to a CPU like the 9800X3D in the future without replacing the motherboard (and memory if we're comparing it to a DDR4 LGA 1700 motherboard) is just way too good of an option especially given the remaining uncertainty if the Raptor Lake stability issues have been resolved or not.
Man, am4 is just the platform that doesn't stop giving. I originally got a B450 and an 1800x in 2017. Since then I've been clinging to this socket for dear life, through almost 4 generations of architecture Prior to the 1800x I had an FX 8350 and my god have AMD done a backflip in the past 20 years. Couldn't be happier with my 5700x3d.
Everyone knows that the most important game to check performance in is everyone's favorite game.. cinebench. And 14400 is faster here so 5700x3d is a dudd. Sorry.
Great vid. I am really curious how these two would fare compared at 1440p since I imagine the differences would drop down. I understand why 1080p is being used as a measure but I'd love to see 1440p results in the future vids. Thanks for your hard work! ❤
Thanks for the video. This was fun for me to watch, as I have two PCs. One based around the 5700X3D and the other based on a 13400F with DDR4 :P However, not the same graphics card. My 5700X3D setup is running a RX 7800 XT and my 13400F is running the RX 7700 XT.
This is my actual combo the 5700X3D and 4080 Super. I like it to game at higher resolutions without needing the best CPU in the world to give me the appropriate head room. The X3D chip is just a really good value and will always uplift games that take advantage of the 3D V cache
Pulled the trigger on a 5700x3d from ali through szcpu, should be here in about 2 weeks. Coming from a 1600af paired with a 5700xt. For 140$ if all goes well, its a no brainer. 🎉
Hope this will work for you. 5700XT Still works great for 1080p and the CPU will give you an uplift without a doubt. Do you already have decent RAM with decent Timings? It helps the new CPU heaps.
I upgraded from the ryzen 5 3600 to the 5700X3D and i simply could not believe the difference it made. I play exclusively BeamNG Drive multi player and i could never join servers with more than 10 people without only getting 20fps on low settings, and now i can be in 15 person servers on medium to high settings. And i only have an RTX 3050, it was a crazy good upgrade, highly recommended.
Really good to hear. I have an R7600 and it works great in Beam. I was using an i7 8700, so quite similar to your old 3600 and the jump was def. intense. I will put in a used 9800X3D in 2 years i guess. Maybe. Am on 1440p UW with RX6800. Oh and good to hear that Beam works fine with an RTX 3050. Had the same experience with an RX 6600 before. It just eats CPU a lot. But even older Systems can run this game well. I d onot have a lot of BeamMP experience, but the R7600 works fine so far.
i just built a 5700X3D rig for my brother yesterday. he got lucky and managed to snag one for a good price and it was in stock. mildly annoyed they kept running out of stock when i was doing the shopping two months ago and just settled for a 5700X but oh well. we're both pretty happy with our rigs now
Not bad. Kinda knew the 5700X3D would win in terms of gaming performance but surprised the percentile figures were better on some games with the i5. Sometimes having better percentile figures is better than a slightly better average.
For those thinking of doing this: I'm on a 5800X, I examined benches and came to the conclusion that you'll gain 10~% gaming perf and improved low percentiles, but lose up to the same amount of multi-core perf in non-gaming workloads. I'm not switching.
@@blakecasimir I do not use my PC for anything but gaming and youtube. So I wanted to try it out. I know its a minor impact. But I stilled my urge to buy something new aswell 😅
@@Capital_KPI did the same thing but I gave my wife my 5800x which worked out perfectly since she does CAD kitchen and bath design and I just game so we both got some big gains in performance
I know this is an odd request but I'd really love to see you check out the igpu performance of Intel's new 245K whenever you do decide to buy them for reviews. It has half the cores of A380 and with the right memory config it should be close to desktop 1650 performance. Cheers nonetheless m8
I suspect the reason the 14400F is scoring higher in the 1% and .1% lows in some titles is just do to the limitation of the clock speed of zen 3 vs Raptor Lake. the 5700x3d has a max turbo of 4.1ghz, so the much higher clock speed of the 14400F as well as the IPC of raptor lake is likely making a difference in favor of the 14400F in some cases. Overall a great showing on the 5700x3d's part considering the age of the platform vs the 14400F.
G'day Random, Yeah if your main priority is Maximum FPS Gaming a R7-X3D is the way to go if you can afford them, for most of the games I play a R5 2400G using IGP is good enough & some still OVERKILL! 😂
There are other videos where the 5700X3D wasn't performing as well as it did here. The 14400F is a good option to consider in some markets with weird local prices.
If I remember correctly from the previous video, your AM4 board isn't anything special. Maybe a weaker vrm is the reason for the 5700x3d inconsistencies?
Damn the percent lows was horrible on the X3D for the averages it get. But the thing is many esport titles especially CS2 favor more AMD. That was just irritating to see if it drops too much.
I bought the Ryzen 7 5700X3D because of the 3D V cache... and it's more cheaper than any Intel counterpart in my country. Good choice for me, even though it's a AM4 platform.
I use a Ryzen 7 5800X3D paired with an RTX 4080 for 2 years in 1440p. No visible CPU bottleneck and the 3D-V cache is a must have if you use RT because it elevates the CPU usage quite a lot.
It would be nice to see a price to performance graph to see how many frames you get for your money and to see if it's worth paying more for one processor over the other.
I just upgraded to the 5700X3D I'll stick with AM4 until late AM5 or AM6. Plus I rather stick with a platform with a wide variety of components and boards over a deathclock CPU that will possibly die away even if every setting recommended is enabled. Or if Intel will get me to hop back to them again, 3rd gen & 4th amazing chips.
When you think about the fact that the 5000 cpus were starting to be release when Intel was only on its 10th gen, those productivity benchmark stay very honourable in my opinion. Were the 5700x3d released back in 2020, Intel would quite likely be dead today.
Its seems that everywhere I see a review or benchmark in gaming the 3D chips just dominate, however, is there a scenario that includes you wanting the best gaming cpu (within a budget) and a similarly priced intel cpu is a better choice? Compatibility? I don't know.
Rdr2 GPU utilisation of the Intel i5 was only 65% to 72% but the AMD chip was using 83% to 91% of the GPU so something was not happy with the Intel 14400f and RTX 4080s system because both chips should be able to push that GPU about the same so id expect a 3 or 5% difference not 25 to 35% difference between them. Just noticed that in fraps when I seen how big the fps difference was.
You saw that frame rate difference between them? On the i5 system the 4080s was rendering 152frames per second while in the ryzen system it was pushing 200+. So the 4080 had to do more work with the ryzen processor being faster so it had to keep up. That is the concept of what bottle necking is.
For some reason I found more interesting the what appears to be bottleneck in both systems being the CPUs. Not completely unexpected, but does make you wonder if you are going to have these or similar CPUs, if it would be even worth the extra cost going for a 4080 Super or equivalent.
can u pls make a video where u test when cpu is bottlnecking gpu in cpu intesive games and u show how diff ram spees and ddr4 and 5 affect it?love ur content very good information
(Laughs in X3D) Did you notice the GPU on the Intel side wasn't under as high a load? It's like the architecture just wasn't feeding it data as efficiently as the Ryzen side, so it generated less FPS.
B450 and even some pcie 4 b550 high end board are much cheaper with bios updated out of box, or you can ask seller and most of them do it for free. Main advantage for getting good board is much better vrm cooling so chipset can run at its full potential at all times, more ports and better ram oc capabilities (even b450 ds3h v2 is capable of very good ram oc and tightening timings), also not to forget ability to oc and uv the chipset (i use pbu undervolt on all cores and its super stable, forgot the values but its much cooler than stock with higher performance as i applied lil bit oc too! On 5600 btw). Also it always brings a smile on my face whenever i see someone upgrade from ryzen 1600/2600 to x3d chip or any 5600 and above chip, saw many doing it even on b350 boards!
So, rather than upgrading to AM5, I decided to remain on AM4, and swap out my 3700x for the 5700x3d (X570 motherboard). However, i also upgraded my GPU from a 2080 Super, to a 4080 Super. I have a 1440p 144hz monitor. Is this a bad CPU/GPU pairing?
My friend has 5700x3d paired with 3070, 400-450 fps avg in big deathmatch lobby with 1% low of around 200. The X3D chips are definitely the way to go if you're playing CS.
Perfect timing as I just bought a 5700X3D of AliExpress, upgrading from the 3700X, so looking forward to a bit of an improvement, Going for an open air test bench build with 280mm AIO's on both CPU/GPU, wish me luck.
I upgraded my last AM4 cpu today from a R5 5600x to a R7 5700x3d which is not much difference at 1440p and 4k which I play but I noticed smoother gameplay with the newer cpu.
I'm actually confused...I always thought that the FPS was always limited by either the CPU or GPU (meaning one of them will hit 100% utilization before the other). However, I can clearly see that neither CPU or GPU is hitting 100% in these comparisons, what stops the 14400F from spreading its legs further for instance to gain the extra FPS.
@swiftqwrt7543 Thanks...I guess so...I'm also a bit surprised that we can still get a CPU bottleneck with high and ultra settings, I thought we needed the lowest settings on 1080p to get a CPU bottleneck but I guess not. Makes me think twice about getting a low end cpu with let's say a 4060.
I was just messing around with a GPU benchmark on lowest settings and it only used 2 threads of my 8 core CPU so my cpu usage was only around 15 percent while the GPU was only at 50-60
@@Phoenician4922 Yes, its interesting to see how different games utilize cpus. If the cpu and ram isnt powerful enough, gpu wont be able to run 100%. If fps is acceptable though, i dont think its a problem.
It seems Wukong 1080p high is too high of a details, maybe add FSR3Q+FG. This game can 60fps even 4090, it will overflow the cache in 1080p, big chance it does it on high details. Also - probably you know that - RDNA3 gpus loose HALF of fps going high>cinematic. Also - word is 9800x3d on 1080p med-high is getting huge fps bump - can observe this on hardware canucks as they've compared 1080p high to 720p low to check perf scalling. I get that 9800x3d is pricey part but my guess is 9800x3d+7900GRE can be used to gaming gains same way as on budget builds and that would be cool to watch, say on wukong with path tracing+720p+fsr3.1. I constantly promote calling such type of tests 'shameless' :).
Should have my 57 tomorrow morning, managed to grab one from ali for a oner plus 20%, but tbh not expecting any real change. Upgrading from my R5 1600 (AE) which already pushes my 12Gig 3060 at 100% but should get quicker loading, snappier response and the ability to unzip large archives at more than 20 bytes per second after reaching 75% (1st gen Ryzen is still not really win10 compatible).
These AM4 3D chips make the platform last longer for gamers. No need for expensive AM5 upgrade to game on PC. I don't expect AMD to release new models for this platform(though the return of 5800X3D would be nice), but hope AM5 gets slightly better support and last as long.
All the lower 1% and .1% lows are simply due to single core performance difference between the two. Same reason my 11900k will outdo a 5800X3D at times as well.
might wanna take out Wukong from the benchmark rotation from now on for CPU testing. its useless, always gonna hit gpu before making a dent on cpu test
Actually, 0.1% numbers don't mean a thing, never have. All it takes is the smallest of SSD or RAM hitches, especially on loading, to throw that number off. It's a waste of time.
Given that perceived smoothness depends more on 1% and 0.1% lows, I don't think the i5 14400F is half bad. There are reviewers who focus on problematic games / levels that cause stutter, rather than general mainstream games, and in these situations, i7-13700K and Ryzen 7 7700 combined with very fast memory actually beat X3D chips.
The Non-Existent 5500x3D would've been a better match for the i5 in gaming. Maybe knock off two cores on the 5700x3D and see how a theoretical 5500x3D would do. We are too deep into 9th gen to see the 5500x3D, and in gaming the $139.99 Ryzen 5 5500x3D would probably game as well as the 9700x. Not the best look.
While the internet is all over the new 9800x3D, it feels nice to see my Ryzen 7 5700x3D get some screentime 😁😁😁
I use 3700 Pro,no complaints :)
price / performance wise, you get 80%-90% the performance in higher resolutions for exactly a quarter the price. X3D also is not about high fps, but great frame times. A 7800X3D on sale will stay the best solution for AM5. 5700X3D for AM4.
The Tarkov CPU 😂
RGiHD keeping us all based
The 8800GT of CPU's
I paid £138 for the 5700X3D on AliExpress. That includes taxes. FYI, the cheapest I saw that on the UK market was £170.
Great price
i actually got mine for £100 on aliexpress because of a discount code that was running at the time too.
With a discount code you can get it as low 120 with tax, they usually have some kind of sale every month
Nice...
everyone getting for a cheap.. i went to amazon and i got it for £190. still worth guys, right? right?..
For gaming the 5700X3D is such a good deal, the only downside is the dead-end platform; which isn't really a problem if you already have an AM4 mobo.
Oh for sure it’ll make a fantastic upgrade, or it’s still fine for a new build
If you can get a board cheap enough
It will work on any, even cheapest AM4 board, you can pair it with $50 aliexpress or any used $30 junk you can find. So even if you trying to build "new" cheap gaming PC it's still a viable option.
Unfortunately AMD is clearly treating AM4 as the replacement for low end AM5 CPUs. It's the reason why there are no AM5 Ryzen 3 or Athlon CPUs (there is the Ryzen 3 8300G but it's only available to OEMs and SIs). I consider it unfortunate because it means people who can't afford a Ryzen 5 7600 or 8600G are left buying motherboards with no upgrade path and memory they won't be able to reuse when they'll need to upgrade.
Seeing how that Socket evolved, I'm really sad I sold my AM4 system with a Ryzen 2200G back in 2018. The upgrade path would have been a joy, but that wasn't always so sure.
The discussions around Ryzen 3000/4000/5000 likely not beeing supported on "older" Chipsets (MSI) was scary and made the whole "AM4 long time support" claims by AMD look stupid. But in the end the support turned out to be excellent. Not least because many consumers and independant media here on UA-cam held AMD to their promised long term support.
5700X3D is AM4 too, probably the best gaming CPU if you've got an old AM4 board, 14400F and you'll probably need a new system build up for it.
Yeah good point
Am5 better than LGA 1700
sadly not here. especially with ryzen 7500f cheaper here for almost 100 usd. it simply doesn't make any sense to go with 14400f.
also who is upgrading the am4 platform to the 1700 platform another deadend platform.
If you're building a new system then it makes no sense to use LGA 1700 unless you can get the motherboard and CPU for dirt cheap. Otherwise you're better off getting onto the AM5 platform even if you have to settle for the Ryzen 5 7600 or 8600G. The fact that you can upgrade to a CPU like the 9800X3D in the future without replacing the motherboard (and memory if we're comparing it to a DDR4 LGA 1700 motherboard) is just way too good of an option especially given the remaining uncertainty if the Raptor Lake stability issues have been resolved or not.
and you can't upgrade to a 14700k or more because those are a 50/50 on weather they would get fried
The price to performance of the 5700X3D is crazy.
Man, am4 is just the platform that doesn't stop giving. I originally got a B450 and an 1800x in 2017. Since then I've been clinging to this socket for dear life, through almost 4 generations of architecture Prior to the 1800x I had an FX 8350 and my god have AMD done a backflip in the past 20 years. Couldn't be happier with my 5700x3d.
Everyone knows that the most important game to check performance in is everyone's favorite game.. cinebench. And 14400 is faster here so 5700x3d is a dudd. Sorry.
Love my 5700X3D for 1440p. Probably going to keep it until AM6.
I was going to keep my 5800X3D until AM6 also
Fifth? Clicked for the possible doggo, but stayed for the solid game result analysis 😅
Haha thank you :)
Great vid. I am really curious how these two would fare compared at 1440p since I imagine the differences would drop down. I understand why 1080p is being used as a measure but I'd love to see 1440p results in the future vids. Thanks for your hard work! ❤
on a cpu benchmark, 1440p would make it more gpu intensive and make the benchmarks worse as a cpu review
Despite that the 1% will be better on x3d
@@marlon.8051 almost like I alluded to that in my reply yet said that 1440p inclusion would be welcome, hmmm
Thanks for the video. This was fun for me to watch, as I have two PCs. One based around the 5700X3D and the other based on a 13400F with DDR4 :P However, not the same graphics card. My 5700X3D setup is running a RX 7800 XT and my 13400F is running the RX 7700 XT.
This is my actual combo the 5700X3D and 4080 Super. I like it to game at higher resolutions without needing the best CPU in the world to give me the appropriate head room. The X3D chip is just a really good value and will always uplift games that take advantage of the 3D V cache
Pulled the trigger on a 5700x3d from ali through szcpu, should be here in about 2 weeks. Coming from a 1600af paired with a 5700xt. For 140$ if all goes well, its a no brainer. 🎉
Hope this will work for you. 5700XT Still works great for 1080p and the CPU will give you an uplift without a doubt. Do you already have decent RAM with decent Timings? It helps the new CPU heaps.
first! love your videos, man.
Me clicking on the video : " the i5 14400f isn't even close "
What happened :
Free advertising for AMD
I upgraded from the ryzen 5 3600 to the 5700X3D and i simply could not believe the difference it made. I play exclusively BeamNG Drive multi player and i could never join servers with more than 10 people without only getting 20fps on low settings, and now i can be in 15 person servers on medium to high settings. And i only have an RTX 3050, it was a crazy good upgrade, highly recommended.
Really good to hear. I have an R7600 and it works great in Beam. I was using an i7 8700, so quite similar to your old 3600 and the jump was def. intense. I will put in a used 9800X3D in 2 years i guess. Maybe. Am on 1440p UW with RX6800. Oh and good to hear that Beam works fine with an RTX 3050. Had the same experience with an RX 6600 before. It just eats CPU a lot. But even older Systems can run this game well. I d onot have a lot of BeamMP experience, but the R7600 works fine so far.
Good comparison! I was curious how the X3D qould fare, looks like a killer budget CPU.
i just built a 5700X3D rig for my brother yesterday. he got lucky and managed to snag one for a good price and it was in stock. mildly annoyed they kept running out of stock when i was doing the shopping two months ago and just settled for a 5700X but oh well. we're both pretty happy with our rigs now
Exactly what I'm looking for
I got a 5700x3d last week to replace my 3700x and it's an amazing processor, great again 🙂
Not bad. Kinda knew the 5700X3D would win in terms of gaming performance but surprised the percentile figures were better on some games with the i5.
Sometimes having better percentile figures is better than a slightly better average.
I got the 5800X3D for 230€, its crazy how the prices went up. Good to see that the 5700X3D ist just as powerful for a much more stable price
Have you considered running Blackmyth at low settings? to make it more cpu bound? 🤔
Nice video! I changed from a 5800X to an 5700X3D today! I know its not a big change. Pairing it with a RTX 4080.
For those thinking of doing this: I'm on a 5800X, I examined benches and came to the conclusion that you'll gain 10~% gaming perf and improved low percentiles, but lose up to the same amount of multi-core perf in non-gaming workloads. I'm not switching.
@@blakecasimiryeah 5700x3d just has such low clocks
@@blakecasimir I do not use my PC for anything but gaming and youtube. So I wanted to try it out. I know its a minor impact. But I stilled my urge to buy something new aswell 😅
@@Capital_KPI did the same thing but I gave my wife my 5800x which worked out perfectly since she does CAD kitchen and bath design and I just game so we both got some big gains in performance
@ Nice! My 5800X is gonna upgrade my friends 3600 and his 3600 is gonna upgrade another friends PC with a 3100. And the 3100 will be sold :)
I would love to see the 12400 vs the 5700x3d I own the intel but it would be nice to see an honest review.
*Very interesting as i am upgrading to the Ryzen 7 early 2025 intel did quite well here not gonna lie*
What cooler are you using with the ryzen???
Do you have videos for cpu only gaming?
I know this is an odd request but I'd really love to see you check out the igpu performance of Intel's new 245K whenever you do decide to buy them for reviews. It has half the cores of A380 and with the right memory config it should be close to desktop 1650 performance. Cheers nonetheless m8
Just upgraded to one from a Ryzen 5 1600, it's so good
yea i just got a 5700x3d and paired it with a 7800xt and damn no regrets. i play in 1440p ultrawide
I suspect the reason the 14400F is scoring higher in the 1% and .1% lows in some titles is just do to the limitation of the clock speed of zen 3 vs Raptor Lake. the 5700x3d has a max turbo of 4.1ghz, so the much higher clock speed of the 14400F as well as the IPC of raptor lake is likely making a difference in favor of the 14400F in some cases. Overall a great showing on the 5700x3d's part considering the age of the platform vs the 14400F.
G'day Random,
Yeah if your main priority is Maximum FPS Gaming a R7-X3D is the way to go if you can afford them,
for most of the games I play a R5 2400G using IGP is good enough & some still OVERKILL! 😂
There are other videos where the 5700X3D wasn't performing as well as it did here. The 14400F is a good option to consider in some markets with weird local prices.
If I remember correctly from the previous video, your AM4 board isn't anything special. Maybe a weaker vrm is the reason for the 5700x3d inconsistencies?
So.... you fixed the 5700X3D again or you managed to get it replaced?
Damn the percent lows was horrible on the X3D for the averages it get. But the thing is many esport titles especially CS2 favor more AMD. That was just irritating to see if it drops too much.
Purely for gaming the X3D cached CPUs are a must. For all around usage I'll stick to my 5700X.
Can you please re test i5 with ddr5?
I bought the Ryzen 7 5700X3D because of the 3D V cache... and it's more cheaper than any Intel counterpart in my country. Good choice for me, even though it's a AM4 platform.
@RandomGamingHD the Ryzen 5800X3D has been withdrawn from sale recently. do you think the ryzen 5700X3D will be available for sale in the future?
Can you try putting GTX 1630 vs RTX A400? I am curious which one is faster
I use a Ryzen 7 5800X3D paired with an RTX 4080 for 2 years in 1440p. No visible CPU bottleneck and the 3D-V cache is a must have if you use RT because it elevates the CPU usage quite a lot.
I’m interested as I have an 11400F and 5700X3D. Thank you!
Awesome :)
It would be nice to see a price to performance graph to see how many frames you get for your money and to see if it's worth paying more for one processor over the other.
What is going on with the 7800X3D it's around 500.00 lately?
why no cs2? or valorant?
I just upgraded to the 5700X3D I'll stick with AM4 until late AM5 or AM6. Plus I rather stick with a platform with a wide variety of components and boards over a deathclock CPU that will possibly die away even if every setting recommended is enabled. Or if Intel will get me to hop back to them again, 3rd gen & 4th amazing chips.
will a 5700x3d be a good pair with a 4070 super at 1440p?
When you think about the fact that the 5000 cpus were starting to be release when Intel was only on its 10th gen, those productivity benchmark stay very honourable in my opinion. Were the 5700x3d released back in 2020, Intel would quite likely be dead today.
Again what about the resizeble bar can we have some information on that ?
Its seems that everywhere I see a review or benchmark in gaming the 3D chips just dominate, however, is there a scenario that includes you wanting the best gaming cpu (within a budget) and a similarly priced intel cpu is a better choice? Compatibility? I don't know.
No, not for gaming.
Rdr2 GPU utilisation of the Intel i5 was only 65% to 72% but the AMD chip was using 83% to 91% of the GPU so something was not happy with the Intel 14400f and RTX 4080s system because both chips should be able to push that GPU about the same so id expect a 3 or 5% difference not 25 to 35% difference between them. Just noticed that in fraps when I seen how big the fps difference was.
You saw that frame rate difference between them? On the i5 system the 4080s was rendering 152frames per second while in the ryzen system it was pushing 200+. So the 4080 had to do more work with the ryzen processor being faster so it had to keep up. That is the concept of what bottle necking is.
Whats the maximum gpu you can pair with i5 14400f at 1440p without bottleneck?
For some reason I found more interesting the what appears to be bottleneck in both systems being the CPUs. Not completely unexpected, but does make you wonder if you are going to have these or similar CPUs, if it would be even worth the extra cost going for a 4080 Super or equivalent.
can u pls make a video where u test when cpu is bottlnecking gpu in cpu intesive games and u show how diff ram spees and ddr4 and 5 affect it?love ur content very good information
.01% lows are needed for fps and esports as the more serious gamers will notice stutters and in general they do matter so thanks for adding them.
(Laughs in X3D) Did you notice the GPU on the Intel side wasn't under as high a load? It's like the architecture just wasn't feeding it data as efficiently as the Ryzen side, so it generated less FPS.
B450 and even some pcie 4 b550 high end board are much cheaper with bios updated out of box, or you can ask seller and most of them do it for free. Main advantage for getting good board is much better vrm cooling so chipset can run at its full potential at all times, more ports and better ram oc capabilities (even b450 ds3h v2 is capable of very good ram oc and tightening timings), also not to forget ability to oc and uv the chipset (i use pbu undervolt on all cores and its super stable, forgot the values but its much cooler than stock with higher performance as i applied lil bit oc too! On 5600 btw). Also it always brings a smile on my face whenever i see someone upgrade from ryzen 1600/2600 to x3d chip or any 5600 and above chip, saw many doing it even on b350 boards!
I swore I'd never buy an intel CPU again when I got shafted with the switch from LGA1151 to LGA1200. 9700k was and still is a fantastic CPU
I can see AMD releasing a 5800X3D with the X3D die on the bottom and a 400MHz overclock.
So, rather than upgrading to AM5, I decided to remain on AM4, and swap out my 3700x for the 5700x3d (X570 motherboard). However, i also upgraded my GPU from a 2080 Super, to a 4080 Super. I have a 1440p 144hz monitor. Is this a bad CPU/GPU pairing?
No it's fine.
do a 5600x test with cs2. i have been considering the 5700x3d as I mostly play cs2. need details on the 0.1 and 1 percent
My friend has 5700x3d paired with 3070, 400-450 fps avg in big deathmatch lobby with 1% low of around 200. The X3D chips are definitely the way to go if you're playing CS.
@@mystiika nice! I also have a 3070. Do you by chance play faceit? Does the fps there differ a lot?
Perfect timing as I just bought a 5700X3D of AliExpress, upgrading from the 3700X, so looking forward to a bit of an improvement, Going for an open air test bench build with 280mm AIO's on both CPU/GPU, wish me luck.
Same but coming from a 1600af/2600. Hope my vetroo u6 pro can cool it. 😅
u tellin me rn that cyberpunk would use 100% of both in high crowd situations? like 70%+ cpu usage in benchmark is crazy
I upgraded my last AM4 cpu today from a R5 5600x to a R7 5700x3d which is not much difference at 1440p and 4k which I play but I noticed smoother gameplay with the newer cpu.
I don't use the 0.1% low's in my benchmarks, I've considered using them.. I don't know if they are good to have or not.
wished you had tested a radeon card aswell, i feel the higher overhead of the nvidia drivers never tells the full story.
Has that 5700x3D missing pin been fixed?
I wonder the same
I'm actually confused...I always thought that the FPS was always limited by either the CPU or GPU (meaning one of them will hit 100% utilization before the other). However, I can clearly see that neither CPU or GPU is hitting 100% in these comparisons, what stops the 14400F from spreading its legs further for instance to gain the extra FPS.
From experience, a cpu dont need to show 100% utilization for it to be a bottleneck. The i5 might not be able to use all of its cores in games 100%.
@swiftqwrt7543 Thanks...I guess so...I'm also a bit surprised that we can still get a CPU bottleneck with high and ultra settings, I thought we needed the lowest settings on 1080p to get a CPU bottleneck but I guess not. Makes me think twice about getting a low end cpu with let's say a 4060.
I was just messing around with a GPU benchmark on lowest settings and it only used 2 threads of my 8 core CPU so my cpu usage was only around 15 percent while the GPU was only at 50-60
@@Phoenician4922 Yes, its interesting to see how different games utilize cpus. If the cpu and ram isnt powerful enough, gpu wont be able to run 100%. If fps is acceptable though, i dont think its a problem.
You'd need to see all cores load, not only the CPU load.
If any core is utilized fully, there's the bottleneck.
Can you imagine AMD going nuts and releasing a backport of the 7800X3D for socket am4?
It seems Wukong 1080p high is too high of a details, maybe add FSR3Q+FG. This game can 60fps even 4090, it will overflow the cache in 1080p, big chance it does it on high details. Also - probably you know that - RDNA3 gpus loose HALF of fps going high>cinematic. Also - word is 9800x3d on 1080p med-high is getting huge fps bump - can observe this on hardware canucks as they've compared 1080p high to 720p low to check perf scalling. I get that 9800x3d is pricey part but my guess is 9800x3d+7900GRE can be used to gaming gains same way as on budget builds and that would be cool to watch, say on wukong with path tracing+720p+fsr3.1. I constantly promote calling such type of tests 'shameless' :).
A lot of Intel hate lately but they destroy AMD when it's productivity and gaming (which I do) pure gaming AMD own the market now though!
Should have my 57 tomorrow morning, managed to grab one from ali for a oner plus 20%, but tbh not expecting any real change. Upgrading from my R5 1600 (AE) which already pushes my 12Gig 3060 at 100% but should get quicker loading, snappier response and the ability to unzip large archives at more than 20 bytes per second after reaching 75% (1st gen Ryzen is still not really win10 compatible).
These AM4 3D chips make the platform last longer for gamers. No need for expensive AM5 upgrade to game on PC. I don't expect AMD to release new models for this platform(though the return of 5800X3D would be nice), but hope AM5 gets slightly better support and last as long.
14400f superb gaming CPU for 1440p and 4K and cheap to-boot. Stuck it alongside an RTX 4070TI and it smokes gaming.
Also, AM4 and AM5 don't have incessant crashing issues :D
13400/14400 don't have these issues. They're basically 12th gen which don't have these issues at all.
Only from 13600/14600 and above you're fked...
14400f and 4080 Super is a perfect 4K pairing
All the lower 1% and .1% lows are simply due to single core performance difference between the two. Same reason my 11900k will outdo a 5800X3D at times as well.
might wanna take out Wukong from the benchmark rotation from now on for CPU testing. its useless, always gonna hit gpu before making a dent on cpu test
The R23 scores seem off. My 12700kf gets 23000 multi and 1900 single. On a TUF Z690 with ddr4. The 14400 should be faster on singlecore
X3D good for gaming but aren't most gamers GPU bound most of the time?
Multi-player games tend to hammer the cpu
No more Intel for me.
windos version?, windows 10 makes 5700x3d even faster
Actually, 0.1% numbers don't mean a thing, never have. All it takes is the smallest of SSD or RAM hitches, especially on loading, to throw that number off. It's a waste of time.
I run my 5700x3d tweaked 3733cl16 with RTX 4080,little beast at UltraWide 1440p
Intel shivers whenever they see "X3D"
11 11 ali sale is in a few days for anyone wanting a cheap 5700x3d
the zen 5 x3d is big jump in performance, I'm not sure whether to build a whole new am5 PC or just get the 5700x3d
If you need zen 5 x3d performance buy am5, if 5700x3d is enough for you, buy 5700x3d
there a big problem with this test. What kind of guy will game in 1080p with a 4080 super?? All the test must be done at 4k.
1440f all the way, WAY better single core, better multicore , better emulation , gaming performance is all you need
I 4K game on my 5700x3D and Radeon 6800XT. Just can't turn ray tracing on.
Given that perceived smoothness depends more on 1% and 0.1% lows, I don't think the i5 14400F is half bad. There are reviewers who focus on problematic games / levels that cause stutter, rather than general mainstream games, and in these situations, i7-13700K and Ryzen 7 7700 combined with very fast memory actually beat X3D chips.
The Non-Existent 5500x3D would've been a better match for the i5 in gaming. Maybe knock off two cores on the 5700x3D and see how a theoretical 5500x3D would do.
We are too deep into 9th gen to see the 5500x3D, and in gaming the $139.99 Ryzen 5 5500x3D would probably game as well as the 9700x. Not the best look.
5700X3D for me, specially when I have like six year old motherboard. Won't see such support from Intel.
Going 7800x3d was the best life choice i did 🤣🫠
so can i use this cpu on my ab350 pro4? it's am4
I had a look and yes, it is supported, but you'll have to make sure you update to at minimum BIOS version 7.40
@@dualpapayas ok ty! so update bios and then replace the cpu right?
@@santo351 Yes, the BIOS update must be performed on the old CPU.
My guess is the wins for the i5 om gaming results are mainly due to the difference between DDR 4 vs DDR 5.
More likely single core performance.
nice
5700x3d vs 7500f
They should be on par, like the 7600x is on par with the 5800x3d in gaming.
For productivity, 7000 is much faster.