2024 Harley Davidson® Amp Dyno Results - Why this is the Worst Factory System Released to Date
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- We keep hearing over and over that people absolutely cannot hear their system at highway speeds on the new 2024 Road Glides and Street Glides! After some testing we've figured out a huge reason why and the results might shock you!
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HD: "We're gonna make it so people HAVE to buy our parts to get better sound"
Jay: "Hold my beer..." (or soda if Jay doesn't drink :) )
Awesome video Jay. Thanks for ALWAYS being truthful and straight forward, well done brother!! God Bless!!
i expect nothing less from you Jay. great video and information
Just another amazing video Jay I cannot wait to get the upgrade for my 24 CVOST I am patiently awaiting!
Excellent video!!! Thank you so much for your diligence on getting to the truth of the matter!!!
Thank you for watching
Jay!! Great info as usual.
Learned from one of your last videos about DSP and figured/hoped you would be coming out with an upgrade without using the factory amp. So glad I waited. I’m going to wait for your temp 2 speaker fix video while waiting for your amp upgrade, b4 purchasing the front Hertz neo’s from you.
Thank you
Can't wait to see the new amp upgrade. Thank you Jay for all you do for the motorcycle audio community
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for helping sell items 😂
Def let us know when you have the fix - I am around Louisville, KY but would def do a road trip down to TN for an appointment to get this stereo issue resolved. The perks of having a bagger is the music with a headset...so wish HD would have done better in this regard.
Great information!!!
I recently disassembled 2020 FLHX speakers and those are a set of sound making toys fit for toddlers.
They are an amazing speaker, it’s amazing they even make noise!
Try it with the bike running. The ECM will cut down the power output on the amp if it's not running or if the voltage is below 13.8
I tested it running, in accessory and ignition, also loaded and with speakers, highest reading was 12 watts and 9-10 watts consistently
Let’s say that was the case, let’s say it Doubles the output.. 18 watts at most. Now, imagine it being half of that in reality. I can’t believe Rockford selling their soul, under 10 watts per channel worth, for money. This right here is why I avoid all of their products, bc of this.
@@freebehindbars8654 if the voltage drops it does lower the output. Who says it’s half maybe they drop the output by 80% to keep you from draining your battery
@@dimaggiodt He said he tested with bike running.
@@dimaggiodt the bikes give a low voltage/battery warning across the screen when approaching the limit. I didn’t see any warning. Just seems HD and RF pulled one, with using the old speakers as a sign. Hands down the GTS radio is louder when side by side.
Awesome job on getting that ab interface going. Way better than using those Rockford Amps.
Thank you!
Ok I had hertz in my 2020 street glide special with my 400 watt hertz amp. Now I loved how loud they were however even the Rockford speakers that come in my 24 cvo st has more mid bass. Not as much volume but the highs in the hertz in certain songs can cut straight through you. Are those the only speakers you will provide? Or will you offer another drop in weather proof speaker that has volume and highs that don’t kill the ears and more mid bass.
Our newer kits with the larger amplifiers have much more mid bass than using the smaller amp, the radio has the bass boosted way up to make the Rockford sound like they have more bass but they have no clarity, I still think and many others agree that the hertz sound much better than the Rockford speakers, louder, clearer and still have good mid bass for a 6.5”
I was so excited to get my 24 RG and was hugely disappointed with how awful the sound system is. I'm very excited for the release of what you've been working on!
yeah i ordered a pearl white SG that just got in friday, i went over to look at it and turned the radio on and was instantly disappointed... i hope this guy has a solution soon
@Hard_Right he has one that he just released that piggy backs off of the factory amp. He's still working on the a to b amp, which will be for a full amp replacement, and if you wanted to add saddlebag speakers.
I CANNOT WAIT. THANK YOU😭
I can’t wait either!
It was your video I learned about the new amp and speakers
Thank you for watching!
How is this project for the new 2024 HD Infotainment system affecting the Soundstream V2 project? I've not seen any updates on your team getting the new Soundstream V2 in your shop to start testing, configuring, and shipping.
They are not affecting each other in any way
After seeing this video I got a better understanding as to why they are not adding the rear pods when you add the tour pak to this bike.
Correct
Jay - have you run a similar dyno test on a 2023 Triglide Ultra?
I plan on running a dyno test on the gts radio and I’m sure it will be stronger
Oh, I don’t have one of those, but I want to hear about the new or the top-secret camera system for my sound stream. Thanks, Jay.
Thank you for watching, more on v2 and cameras coming soon
@@volunteeraudio can’t wait don’t know why they don’t come factory with them. But hope it works with my sound stream radio. From what you said earlier should be pretty good for safety and touring . Sign me up
It’s sad to see Fosgate not being a premium product like they use be.
When Jim was around, but great for Hertz to pick up and surpass.
Many years of being a Fosgate and Hertz dealer, Fosgate They’re just not a premium product anymore. They build good stuff but that’s about it. Been at both factories, Fosgate in Arizona, and Hertz, Addison,in Italy, you could see the Italians are definitely beating on Rockford.
Thanks Jay for the video people need to see this!
Cheers
Thank you so much!
The new fairing isa little too "Danger Will Robinson! Danger!". The street glide though... It's fire. I wish you guys were closer to me! I'm deep behind enemy lines in California.
Thank you for watching!
Whats the difference in the 2 kenwood speaker options?
The xm65f has a strontium magnet, the xm65r has a Neo magnet
Is the factory generator good for 600W after market audio system?
Yes it will do our 1000 watt rms, 2000 watt peak hertz amp
Hey Jay, I have a question. I know this is not the right video to ask this. I have a 2023 road glide Limited with the boom GTS factory radio. There is a hidden menu for servicing when you boot up and you wait for the Harley logo to go away and you press and hold. The power button goes into the hidden menu and there is a whole bunch of EQ options do you need a flash the radio to install a amp or can you just select a different option and you do not need to flash the radio I am just curious I don’t know if you know about this hidden menu and the options?
That menu only shows the options. It will not let you actually change them. You can view your current eq.bin info to verify a flash in that menu but you cannot change to a different one.
How to Setup your Soundstream HDHU.14Si for Boom Audio factory Amplifiers in 2014 + Harley Davidson
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A radio with built in amp would push 10-15 watts i would think... and are you stuck with the factory radio on these bikes... or can you change the radio
You’re stuck with the factory radio and NVS Audio has a plug and play option available!
Definitely would love the hertz upgrade for 2024 street glide with amp dont wanna do the rockford like everyone else is
Thank you for watching, more coming soon
I have a 2024 RG with a D&D 2 into 1. I just don't even turn the radio on. LOL I just listen from my Cardo Packtalk
No need, you could not hear it if you tried lol!
Can the factory amp be bridged and just upgrade the front speakers?
You can not bridge the factory amp, and 9 watts bridged would be at most 18 watts
@@volunteeraudio Kinda seems like this would be a false advertisement case for Harley / Rockford. Damn shame I can’t hear the stereo over 40!
Ive got the cvo the stereo is adequate so i can imagine the base models stereos are definitely lacking
The cvo sounds much better with simple speaker replacement, but your amp had 78-79 watts per channel when we tested it, this bike has 9, it is terrible
Did it change when running?
Most I got was 12watts once, consistently got 9-10 watts even while running
Isn’t that false advertisement by Rockford Fosgate, I think they pulled one over on Harley. My 2008 Ultra that had a stock Harman Kardin put out 20 watts per channel for a total of 80 watts would crank out the tunes going 70 mph down the highway. That’s a disgrace that they would send that out the door. Maybe that’s why my 19 RGS is crap over 35mph, no boom in that GTS_______BOX. Great channel.
Thank you, I agree
I wonder if there are grounds for a class action lawsuit. That 200 Watt amp spec listed for the Street and Road Glides on the HD site might have been one of the reasons people brought the bikes.
And as mentioned.. I’d like to see the test with the bike running. The new ECMs have a load shedding strategy that removes or cuts down power to electrical accessories depending on the battery voltage and alternator output. When load shedding is in progress, the battery icon at the bottom left corner of the display will be yellow, with a little lightning bolt symbol on the corner.
Yes I tested it running and not running, most I got was 12 watts but consistently got 9-10 watts
@@volunteeraudio OK.. That IS bad. Looks like you guys have a nice market to fill :(
Harley needs to do a recall and replace the amps in those bikes. Someone needs to start a online petition to get a class action suit started.
@@henrykrauss3730 200 watt peak = 50 watt x 4 peak output, or 25 watt rms x 4, we tested and got 9 watt rms x 4 but some companies triple the rms number to get peak power and with some power turning into heat this may be the case of an exaggerated peak number for marketing. I think it performs as they intended which is terrible
Looking forward to your digital solution. Somewhat frustrating parting with $73,990 AUD (CVO with H-D custom paint) and get an sub-standard audio system! Not impressed at all.
We will help fix the issue soon! I hope by pointing out these short comings Harley will release updates to make it even better
So will the speakers you’re telling us we need to change to come with better looking grills???
No, you can purchase the better looking grills at the dealer and we offer Hertz logos for them
Jay, how soon is soon for your solution?
specifically, the lower cost 2 channel system.
@@user-mb7ro5li6i video may be up Monday next week
First time coming across your channel, but a couple of things… wattage per decibel is logarithmic. The most important factor in loudness is the sensitivity of the speaker. A 90 db speaker will be 5x more efficient than a 85db speaker.
A 200 watt amp should still produce more than 9 watts rms per channel, and yes efficiency is very important, our hertz sx165neo speakers are 96.5db efficient and much more efficient than the stock Harley speakers
Dealership told me when I was looking at bikes “the bike uses so much juice that the stereo is reduced to under half volume with the key off”
I tried accessory, ignition and engine running with the same results
I miss quoted- he said with key and ignition off. Said it had to be running. I’m sure you have tried everything- I wasn’t interested in the new model when I found out the ecm and “stereo” hasn’t been cracked yet.
I'd say the stock rockford amp is defective and doesn't meet the specs. HD should be held to this.
I would agree, I thought something was wrong with the dyno but then tested other Amps and verified it was working correctly, then I tried it with the bike running, speakers playing or without speakers with the same very low results
Jay, Jay, Jay, we all know the system sucks and we’re all waiting for you to get the amp situation figured out. We’re being impatient so please focus on that and get us right. Like many others, I bought the Hertz speakers you recommended and just waiting ✊🏾
Watch our next few videos, I have a lower cost solution to show you in a few days to build a 2 speaker system, then the hertz amp to show you soon for the larger builds
I have the Chrome option. The stereo is terrible, and even worse with the KW exhaust I purchased from you a few weeks ago.
Watch our upcoming videos next week where I show you how to fix it!
Thanx jay, I just got my cvo st itsgonna need help , waiting on the amp for my 23.5 cvo rg
….. and why is Harley putting out zeros for radios ??? You are wonderful keep up the great work
I'll just keep my 16
When you can finally hear your radio on your harley, hearing damage is next
Actually if you wear ear plugs it knocks down the wind noise, protects your hearing and makes the audio sound much better, but the radio needs to be louder than the wind
My 2024s radio volume won't go all the way up unless the bike is running
No difference on this one, goes to max volume either way, and yes I tested it running also
HD Dealers are not telling the TRUTH about these bikes ... but you sure learn Jay is right when you get your new Bike!!!
We have a great low cost solution we will be showing on our next videos
Once again.. the Harley-Davidson bean counters win vs the engineers.
I am listening good quality music having visor down at 80 mph from factory stero system of my Indian RM '18, congratulations Mr HD ST😅😅😅
I have Arai fullface helmet
For some reason many people that own Indians keep asking us about upgrading the audio too
@@volunteeraudio of course, I want to make it even better too. But stock system is surprisingly good. And why not to co-operate with You for that
Great bike horrible radio. My new 11in windshield is on the way hopefully that helps. Kenmore has a plug and play amp and speaker system for the bike now. No modifications needed to install so it want mess up warranty. Its on youtube and sounds great. For 688$
Kenwood, yes we custom modify those amps and they help a ton! Thank you for watching!
Makes no sense why HD made this system so hard to upgrade
It makes sense when they are trying to sell you upgraded audio through the parts department
and here I use speakers in my helmet and have clarity unmatched by any speakers at speed. plus the added benefit people don't look at me like I am a tool.
as for speaker volume, it actually is louder when using Apple Carplay versus just bluetooth. I have not tried direct
Many people do not wear a helmet or a full face helmet
Didn't realize Rockford Fosgate would be dog shit product. Didn't they use to be top of the line?
A very long time ago
That's pathetic. Harley should genuinely be ashamed of themselves. You can get a $25 Walmart head unit that has more power than that.
Harley Davidson strikes again. Before you had to spend 10 grand so the bike could get out of its own way. Now they sell you a bike for 40 grand and you have to spend 5 grand so you can hear the audio on the road. Why?
Don’t forget about exhaust too
There’s Power in the name of Jesus!
Amen!
NERD!! :)
Thank you
Why must Harley ALWAYS half-ass things?
Because we love to upgrade and customize Harley’s so they can get away with it
I was watching the video and started noticing you slurring and slurping towards the beginning of it and the left side of your face and lips drooping. Unless you just had dental work, bell's palsy or know what's going on you may want to seek medical intervention.
Sometimes my mind is working faster than my mouth and I even forget to breathe, I get really nervous on camera but we can’t all be perfect
@@volunteeraudio it's all good, not judging. We are all human and most of us get nervous. I just saw some signs i hadnt seen in other videos and thought I'd make you aware if you were not already. BTW, I appreciate and enjoy watching the content you are doing.
@@marlboroman71818 thank you