The Pharisene Paradox Is TERRIFYING! | Warhammer 40K Lore
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0:00 Intro
2:30 Right Place, Wrong Time
8:20 Into The Den Of Devils
15:21 Descent into Madness
25:56 "One Final Leap Into The Dark" - Розваги
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*VIDEO NOTE, I messed up on the dates in the beginning of the video. 0739999.M41 is the correct date, I.e. the Year is 41,999 with the first few numbers representing the check number and the year fraction as the imperium doesn't use a traditional calendar and years are divided into 1000 parts rather than 12 months. ( I have included a link to the lexicanum entry on this subject in the video description) I recorded the intro after having finished the rest of the video and it was about 3 or 4 in the morning, I was tired and admittedly made a dumb error.
Can I wrap you up in a blanket and make you the big spoon?
if they had grey knights
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Do,u have a video on hive city’s and what levels are in the city’s from top to bottom and how deep they go and what factions live thier I’d be very interested in learning as iam new to warhammer I can’t afford the table top stuff but love the games and lore
I wish that authors would keep the unit designations for distance accurate to the standard imperial kilometer and stop trying to insert miles into stories.
I love this channel, but bud, please for the love of The Emperor, if you’re going to have a fade, comb that hair back, please, I beg of you lol.
As the author of “The Pharisene Paradox,” I just wanted to let you know that this was the most absolutely awesome thing I’ve found on UA-cam in forever. Great work, and thanks for this!
Thank you for this phenomenal story, brother! The Ordo Chronos and mystery around it is one of my favorite ideas to play around with in head involving 40k. I'm currently writing a homebrew chapter around some marines that were with the Ordo to potentially aid in their plan that gotten swept away in time. I was doing some research for inspiration, which led me here, and this was an absolutely fantastic story.
Getting real Dead Space vibes from this. Absolutely love this type of story, well written, well presented. Just amazing, thank you for writing it! 😊
Sci-fi horror is such an amazing genre, and fits perfectly in 40k. This short story was amazing.
You wrote this story bro?? cuz this is damn near genious writing what else have you written??
@@StDomBzThanks! I’m very glad you enjoyed it!
The fun part being even if he does 'succeed' at jumping back that's probably the catalyst that ends up causing the Ordo to disappear in the first place.
no!
he got back and warned them and it was all undone
and they lived happily ever after
depends on what kinda timetravel they using
2:45 Ordo didn't share with Elisar what he witnessed and had the watchstation constructed for him. I think he knew all along what would happen to him.
@@Dubs22005I agree. Happily ever after. I'll sleep well tonight
The Ordo did not disappear, he is in a time loop, his master knew based on at least one future him succeeding what was suppose to happen, the Ordo likes to keep things as there suppose to be, so the none response and lie that the Ordo disappeared is to keep the loop repeating, so that the ship stays where it is without causing a worse paradox for the ship and it's crew living when it should not. One person eternal hell of a groundhog day to stop a ripple which could cause a worse outcome seems right up the Ordo's alley of approach.
Ey babe new eldritch horror just dropped
"Omgg lemme grab ma sharkie blankie an les watch eet🤩"
Horrors beyond my imagination 👀
@@sanjablazina2879 hurry before it gets killed by the dark angels again
"What we gonna do? Should we contact helmetless Space Marine with name? I prefer to call the colour blue."
The horrors MABYE beyond my comprehension but they arnt beyond my rage GET OVER HERE- my guardsman who killed a bloodthirster circa-fuck you khorne
While I love the battles and grimdark nature of Warhammer, but the fact there is something out of lovecraft's fever dreams in the universe makes me long to hear and see more...
Truly Tzeentch would be proud...
Not even close to Lovecraft. Stop using words you dont understand.
@@lewisbenzie845 why you so mad it’s a franchise that deals with lovecraftian abominations it’s a easy mistake to make
The Warp is just HP Spacecraft
@@FleshWizard69420 exactly
These are better than Lovecraft.
The irony that this very act was what got him sent to the nebula in the first place is poetic
It took two days TWO DAYS for my brain to actually unravel what you just said, and when I did figure it out, I was at work, pulling French bread out of the oven.
I don't know why that was the trigger, but it was, and I'm proud to say this absolutely blew my mind. Good day to you, sir, good day indeed 😁
What do you mean? What got him sent to the nebula?
@@Erakius323 going back in time like his older self is. By going back like he's doing, he's literally forcing his Ordo's hand to send him out there alone, and then disappear, because it's what already happened.
Basically, by his older self going back in time, he's locking in his own fate: to be banished before the Ordo's disappearance, instead of being able to go with them. His older self comments heresy, and his commanding officer understands better than him that time is a thing that shouldn't be tampered with.
In the end, his attempt to save both himself and his Ordo is what causes the downfall of both.
@@williamklemp3764 I don't really buy it. If the Ordo Chronos doesn't actively work to prevent backwards time-travel like this -- if instead they just let it happen whenever they see it -- then what exactly is it they do? Are they an organization that just throws up their hands and says "Well I guess that's just the way it is!" whenever they encounter an anomaly? That doesn't sound like the inquisition to me. In addition, the presence of multiple corpses of the interrogator on the spaceship implies that this isn't a mere time-loop, but is in fact a paradox -- each time the old version of the interrogator jumped back in time, he killed a younger version of himself. Which should have prevented him from making the return journey in the first place. Which should be exactly the kind of thing Ordo Chronos is actively trying to prevent.
@@Ekid33 I mean, yeah, you'd think so, but it's all sci-fi anyway. The first time he killed himself should have trapped him in that loop, much less the dozens of other times, but it doesn't.
The whole thing doesn't really make sense in the first place, but then again, that's Warhammer for you.
He was traveling through time, but also through different realities, which is why killing his younger selves didn't kill him; they weren't really HIS younger selves.
And much like the hulk says in end game "“If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future, and your former present becomes the past, which can't now be changed by your new future.”
Basically, any time travel is just shenanigans, no matter how it's put. Just enjoy the story and don't think too hard lol
Holy crap that soft twist right at the end caught me so off guard.
This was phenomenal.
Can u explain what it is? I dont get it.
if i get it correctly the older self was alive not the younger
The insane older one lived, while we were led to believe the younger one did
Yes! I knew it was suspicious that he grabbed the supplies
@@ynkro3129 the story narration switches at 25:52 from the Young Interrigator to the Old Interrigator, indicated by him looting a fuel pressuriser from the headless body, something the old man didn't have,
I'm sorry but when that servitor said there was only an 80% chance that it would hit the station I'd be like So 20% huh? I'm betting on that 20% and I'm going to gamble that it's not going to hit the station I'm staying right here because any damn shit that comes out of the warp with holes like that means it's Geller Fields failed.... I'm not going on a a derelict like that thank you, that's some bad business right there!!!!
I take it the station has no weapons?
Just blast her back into the void!
@@arthurchadwell9267 I doubt a one man deep space monitoring station would have enough firepower to seriously damage an Imperial cargo ship.
Prediction: all these corpses, are versions of himself that die whenever the ship crashes into the station. That is where the damage comes from, impact with the station. That is why there are som amy dead on the ship.
Yea, that was my thought too.
I don't think they're from crashing
I think they're each the older version of himself, killed by the Younger one when he arrived. Each version coming to the same conclusion afterwards. And continuing the travel.
The damage is just from the repeated warp jumps and time without maintenance.
He's not a tech adept, he only knows basic stuff. So none of his other versions could actually maintain the ship, they just kept it functioning for his next self to use for the next leg of the jump
@@TheAggravatedApeOr it's literally just travelling back in time a few seconds each time, hence all the corpses and it has never crashed because there's no reason for it to actually crash.
As far as i understood it he travels alway a bit in the past enough to make progreß but most likely not enough to make it in a lifetime.
And sometimes he kills the older or younger version of himself since the older version semed to have meet him a few times.
@@kharnthebetrayer8251 It's the other way round. The living him on the ship is from forty-seven years in the future, yet he only jumps back days or weeks at a time, a month at most. This would mean that this one version of himself is responsible for the whole forty-seven year journey back in time. Hudreds of jumps, maybe over a thousand, and he presumably killed each past version of himself when they wouldn't cooperate judging by the corpse the younger one sees with a bolter wound.
Can you do a lore deep dive into the spooky stuff with Hive fleet Jormungandr and the ghoul stars?
Why? I thought the nids are less spooky and more threatening - pls educate me on Nids + Ghoul Stars.
@@leovalenzuela8368Ghoul stars and Halo stars are the regions of space outside the reach of the light of the astronomicon. In these regions really scary and creepy stuff happens(cosmic horror). Hive fleet Jormungandr focuses on stealth and stalking their prey and employs cunnning and patience. Jormungandr devoured worlds are just empty like a ghost ship. Each hive fleet is adapted to certain traits based on what they are fighting and theres bits and pieces of lore that they were adapted this way to hunt nightmarish lifeforms through the worlds of the ghoul stars.
OOOOoohhhh, that DOES sound cool :D@@merrickmiller1224
I've spent a good part of the month introducing friends to your videos. Naturally the fell in love with the Grim Dark Story Hour like I did. Keep em coming Wes😆
I love the idea that every time he gets closer, but who knows by how much? A few hours, a day. A week. But it definitely either doesnt end, or the man doesnt listen because the order chronos is still missing (unless of course, he created the order chronos, maybe he is stuck in a loop of going further and further back until he is far enough back to be at the creation of ordo chronos, and he wants the order will stop him in this timeline...)
I believe that he does make it but the injury from the final jump kills him so the first Elisar (which is the old man) climbs aboard alone to start the cycle anew.
@@em3sis That would imply that the last jump sends him forty-seven years in the future, when what presumably drew the older Elisar to use the ship in the first place was that he noticed the same temporal discrepancy his younger self did. A ship getting stuck in the warp for fifty years isn't likely, but it's a known possibility in the Imperium, and it definitely wouldn't baffle a member of the Ordo Chronos
@@screamingcactus1753 yeah I realized the time discrepancy after I thought about it more. Seems like this isn't a true paradoxical loop.
I love how after you finish the story you can see the hints to the twist dropped earlier but I was so caught up in the story that it went unnoticed by me at first. Great story!
pretty sure the cycle could end if he just doesn't repair the ship at all, like just let it die along with him, but he instead wants to meet his master again, and endlessly continues the cycle, prolly why his master banished him there, his master knew he would be an anomaly and contained him through that paradox.
Meanwhile in the depths of the warp:
Tzeentch: "Ha, idiot fell for it."
ok u are actually amazing for posting these stories ur narration is never boring
I LOVE these horror lores, keep them coming 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Got some heavy Dead Space vibes as soon as the ship was described and the only kept increasing with each new scene describe. From the Hangar to the big door that had to be broken open and as soon as he did so he was greeted by the smell of death. And all the dead bodies and the goo and biles just added to it. To be honest I've found the ship to be the creepiest part about this story
A bit of EVENT HORIZON as well... well done, though!
Stories like this one are on the very edge. Literally. For better and for the worse. On the edge of the (un)known in the galaxy of the WH, for the better. And at the very edge of the attention of GW headquarter, for the worse. We need more stories like this and yet get so few of them. Thanks for sharing!
yes, you gotta love the laziest dumbest writing of, time travel
What you call "lazy", others call pretty interesting. Practically anything and everything can be considered lazy if someone doesn't put in the time to make it cool and unique. It's just that retconning things via time-travel has been used to much that many have gotten bored of it (which is why it's extra cool when instead of fixing, it just continues a cycle)@@dendrien
Is it weird that as soon as I saw the word “paradox" and heard the part about there "being far too many dead bodies" I immediately called it that every one of the dead were him? I wasn't even surprised when the revelation was made, I just thought "duh". Have I been reading too much horror themed fantasy things?
Not really, all of these stories are very predictable really
Almost as if you've heard it before, barely remembered, like a dream... But how many times 😄?
Nah thats nots the "oh" part. The "oh" part is realizing the Old Man is the reason they sent the young version to the watch station to disappear.
@@PhyllisLane-xj5uf a time loop with additional steps and a lot more death. Very grim, very dark, very in-character.
@@1003JustinLaw Well I mean to be fair it's a BIG timeloop. That or two. Considering their were corpses that had the same injuries as the Old Man at the end, its hinted and heavily implied that when the Old Man or his corpse finally arrive back in the present, the Ordo would just send it back 47 years into the future, and starts the cycle of cycles all over again.
Also that's not dark it's HILARIOUS. There's not a single one of these where Elliasar just decides to sit down.
Another horror story you say? Okay, my wife has grabbed a vodka with cranberry, I've got a couple of cold beers and there's a big BBQ chicken pizza on the table. Okay, let's enjoy the horror! 😃
We loved this vid. As many will agree, we love all the major wars, the giant battles and everything else Warhammer has to offer too. But we especially love these types of horror stories, of just what can happen to the regular everyday working people of the imperium. 😃
The first half of this was exceptionally creepy. We were coming up with all theories of how maybe, this was one of those creatures of where if you shine a light on it, it freezes, only moving when you're not looking directly at it and so on.
Amazing stuff! 😃
I never knew how much as a teenager the grimdark of 40K would be my solace and comfort as I got older
Just wondering, what's so comforting about the grimdark?
I don't play 40k but this is some of the best lore
Another GREAT video from the BEST Warhammer 40K UA-camr! I just got done reading The Reverie which includes the Legion Angel's Resplendent. I LOVE these creepy stories and mysteries you put out and I hope you talk about the mother of the Primarchs Urda or the geneticist Astartes who made the Space Marines. Ooooh there's the Hadex Anomaly as well.
Imagine boarding a derelict freighter straight out of the warp alone. What a mad lad. Any other situation and you probably would have been better off letting it collide and die a quick death.
See this is the Warhammer Lore I TRULY appreciate and desire. With Warhammer 40k spanning the entire milkyway it just leaves the thought that anything can happen. With eldritch horror in Warhammer being my favorite because it's grimdarker than normal warhammer lore. Wes, this is the content that gives you such a high rank in my book as a Warhammer channel. Please keep this up.
I love a good paradox horror story!! Well read sir! thanks for the efforts to make these, love them!!
Man, these horror stories make me happy. Every other warhammer youtuber goes indepth in the same topic from 3 different angles but these kind of videos shine light on much needed writers
And they are often not about 'evil chaos badbad', but either about the horror humanity can inflict on themselves or crazy stuff like 'stuck in cycle of events and ensures stuff happens as it should by repeatedly going through that cycle of hell', etc.
Ah, nothing like listening to grimdark story hour while painting my Death Guard
Stretches disbelief a bit; nobody in their right mind would casually volunteer for a solo trip to "repair" a ghost ship that pops from the Warp.
Yup, the most unbelievable thing in the story. He doesn't even bring a single servitor with him.
I mean, the ship was going to collide with the station. And he was effectively alone in the nebula.
Not only that - he was bored out of his skull. The part that’s most unbelievable to me is that he would think he could board, navigate, and repair such a colossal vessel in half an hour
Uh, if I got the Big Sad, I'd definitely volunteer. Lmao
interdimensional paradox itself is a long looong Stretch. time travel has always and will always be lazy writing that creates more narrative problems.
These story hour videos are pretty awesome I've thoroughly enjoyed each one though I'd love to see one with the tyranids or that one thing you had in one of your mysteries videos of I recall correctly it was some kind of sentient black star that moves around and causes mass hysteria wherever it shows up if anyone knows what I'm talking about
Thank you for all your hard work to bring all of us more awesome content!! Much love you Rock!!!
The fact that this dude is from Ordo Chronos already gives away the revelation of who the old man is, but that swap of protagonist at the end is still nice twist.
Happy holidays Wes. Stay safe out there I heard about what happened in Ybor. I have been on a horror binge so this is perfect. Will be waiting for your next vid
You deserve all the good things that's coming your way, Wes - great content and you actually seem like a nice guy too. I wish you the very best. :)
When he first mentioned looking up to see the bolt pistol in his face, I knew exactly what was happening. Great writing!
I got a feeling the One who was still there when main showed up was somehow lucky in a way as off all the others? I feel like he went from waiting 48 years down to years down to months and now with this jump might find another him with less then 3 months. It’s jump after jump killing the newest him with the least amount of time since hearing from their master
Issue is that he might actually be stuck in that loop and when it ends, the oldest self dies from a younger self and the cycle repeats anew with a 'fresh' initial Pharisene's arrival to original-moment and damaged from... well, maybe collision with it's future extremely-damaged self.
Man I LOVE those warhammer horror stories. I listen to them in before going to sleep. Can't get enough of them
Interesting story, but It has a couple of "plot - holes" which prompts questions.
1. Why, upon seeing the condition of the freighter did the protagonist not don an emergency pressure suit of some kind before boarding the ship? Considering that in the grimdartk of the 40K universe, there is always war, an inquisitor would have at his / her disposal at least an armored pressure suit of some kind.
2. Was the watch station incapable of manuevering? Even if the protagonist was planning to go to the ship, why didn't he instruct the servitors to move the station to a safe position vis - a - vis the approaching freighter. If the station was in fact incapable of moving, that was a detail you left out in your narration.
At the end of the day, since it was made clear early on that the freighter came from the future, the number of possible plots for the story narrowed significantly with only the trivial details left in question. Overall, the story was not that horrifying, but instead, it was, I'm sorry to say, VERY predictable.
Predictability dosent take away horror
I know you're probably super busy Wes but I jus want to say thank you for getting me into WarHammer 40k I saw your daemoncolaba video on tik Tok and have been absolutely hooked since
I love spooky stories like this but haven't been able to find many yet
They have a whole horror section on Blacklibrary.com the anthologies are great, wicked and the damned was my favriot
Im not a horror story fan but when wes tells a story I'm hooked. I'm strangely enjoying the horror keep them coming.
29 mins to fix a vessel that's probably 3 miles long...
A really fun spooky story, well read out! Thanks Wes 🕸
Always happy to see a new vid go up
Your WH40k horror narrations are well-done and, ngl, send chills down my spine.
Well done, another excellent entry compellingly voice acted.
smashing it recently, nice work wes!
Nic Cage branching out to 40k as Inquisitor ?! NIce...
On a flaming motorcycle. He interrogates by beating them with red-hot chains! 😊
These videos are my absolute favorite and some of the best to fall asleep too
Hey Weshammer, love your content as always, your narration and use of poetic language get me hooked on your videos, I was wondering if maybe you could do some lore on the Aeronautica Imperialis? Sure we know about the imperial navy and ground forces but what about the aircraft other than the thunderhawks like the thunderbolt or the dreaded marauder bomber, do you think you can make a lore video on them? But hey either way your content is amazing, FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
I love these things. Never stop posting them
love ur channel man! keep up the spooky work!
Luv ure content also happy early Halloween ❤
Thanks for another great video Wes. Happy Halloween 🎃
Thank you 😊
Love your room wesh, really cool specially with those Warhammer 40k designs ♥️
It is a profoundly sad place to live where this type of logic makes sense.
As soon as I heard "thousands of them", i knew what was coming.
Damn man you're working overtime pumping out vids and I'm loving it, don't burn urself out tho
KEEP BRING THEM WARHAMMER HORRORS !! I LIVE FOR THIS I dont think there is any other youtuber that talks about warhammer horrors.
i tried to take a nap listening to this video (i usually find 40k lore videos calming) but the small nap turned into a fever dream and i almost lost my life.
You should do an opinion piece on the Fornax Aleph incident, which occurred during the Sabbat Worlds Crusade. There's not much material on it, but I'd love to hear your takes and thoughts on that story.
BROOOO THIS ARE GOLD! GIVE US MORE
Thank u for a other great video they really help my day
Hell yeah, bedtime stories from the grimdark read by the legend. Serious question though where and what do you think you'd be if you were part of the imperium? I reckon I'd just be a labourer ogryn.
Nope not doing it traveling 3 months through the warp on a huge ship full of bodies, sounds like a really bad time man😅
So I have a question why do the inquisitors have these kinda assistants I thought they do everything themselves or is just a they can't do it all kinda deal ?
Sometimes Inquisitors work alone but far more often they have a whole team of people working for them. There crew ( or cell) often contains a lot of different specialists. Interrogators are like inquisitors in training that work under a seasoned inquisitor
@@weshammerSomebody's gotta sharpen the skinning knives!
Wes out here giving us that sweet creepy lore we so crave
I can't get this video out my mind love it
Bro I love you content I love your energy the GDSH is my favorite content of yours.
I love these! Please do more!
Goddamn dude that was killer! Incredible job Wes!!!!
I like these horror stories a lot, would be even better if you'd add a little bit of analysis/recap at the end. I like discussing with friends after reading a story, and that would simulate the experience.
These kinds of stories fascinate me (I guessed the twist before you got to it).
Why man... Every time you tell a story like this it sends me into a research frenzy and yes this is the 4th or so time I've listened to this and entered this frenzy
I love these horror 40k videos! Keep them coming plz!!!
Sometimes seeing yourself truly is more frightening then monsters. To see yourself dead, again and again - the old man is himself. Many of the dead are him. Because we can BE the monster. Which makes me wonder if the Chaos beings really realize this and that one day some humans are going to go after them and the Imperium with all their monstrous venom. When that happens - say goodbye demons, you just met the true evil of humanity. Excellent tale! Thank you for telling / reading this 40 K tale to use.
Time travel is quite comon due to the warp nature, but i love those horor novel , 40k is such a fertile terrain for that.
The worst part about this short story is that I want a part 2! Great reading of this work, really got me into the dark atmosphere of the Pharisene.
Really scary. Im hard to scare but this... The whole self made time loop.. An erie thing by itself but mix in horror elements and its downright scary.
1:36 I have never played warhammer but I have a habit of finding things I’ve never engaged with but end up neck deep in the lore. Silent hill, elden ring, dead space, sims. This might make me play it tho, the lore is so gooood
This is just the GrimDark version of the One or two Dr. Who Episodes where he's stuck in a time loop killing himself over and over. It was good once and then in any other case it becomes too predictable.
So the old man keeps on repeating the cyle over and over again that is hell itself
Ah yes perfect for spooky month. Thanks!
I like the few hints after the stand-off implying the “twist” at the end …
Loving the horror content! Keep it coming! ❤
I could listen to Wes tell horror stories for hours on end
I absolutely love these.
nothing is more relaxing than listening to weshammer while enjoying some ancient Terra low-stick zaza slaneshi pack
Loser
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 toes curled, butt clinched... loved it, weshammer your the man
i can tell you why someone who isn't in to 40k still watches your videos, you're simply a phenomenal story teller, and the fact that you care so much can be felt by the listener.
Like number 105! This will be my reward when I get home from work later today. I CAN'T WAIT!
Love all the 80s and 90s horror science fiction and science fact movies and books influences. Even later stuff like dead space. There's a little something for every one 😊
"I've just been using UA-cam autoplay since 2007."
Great reading! Cool story. Reminds me of the 2009 Horror movie Triangle. Also great movie imo.
Love these bro
I love your videos brother keep up the good work 👍🔥🔥🔥🔥 0:36
Oh yesh! 💜
Sweet horror wes voice drop. 😊
Sometimes I lament the fact that I've consumed so much cosmic horror. Because I guessed the plot the moment that the old version of himself showed up lol. Maybe it was the word "paradox" in the title that primed me to guess the plot, but regardless, I miss the days when I would be surprised or whatever from a reveal or twist 😣
Good story, though. And good reading of it 😁
Love story hour!! Wes you should consider Voice Acting. This one was great! Nothing will beat “The Watcher in the Rain” but this was still amazing.
The Watcher in the Rain was awesome!