@@maxnami because when you have ANY community with millions of people there's going to be bad actors. It's not an art community or vtuber special thing
Literally same never watched or intend to watch any vtuber content, I don’t really watch any streamers. But everyday im here on this channel it’s my current hyper fixation I love the drama
As much as I don’t agree with the artist, finnya is kinda hard to sympathize with,, this mindset when hit with any type of criticism or questioning with “you’re dumb and just wanna tear me down because you’re jealous” and acting snarky and condescending isn’t the cute bad bitch mindset she thinks it is, she needs to learn how to handle things like this before she even thinks of debuting anyway Her response is understandable knowing now that she probably wasn’t sober, I hope it’s a lesson learned in how to handle controversy
I agree. Also, if the artist misunderstood and someone else commissioned work, then it was a basic misunderstanding. No need to to respond in such a nasty way.
Perfect victim mentality. Reacting to an overnight viral hate campaign against you with grace and dignity is virtuous, but rare. Realistically, most people are going to panic, be upset and not think things through clearly. Most people will throw a fit when unfairly wronged.
@@LumaFuwari I know my choice of defence was really poor during my state of panic! I learned a lot to calm down first, I am really new to the online community and hope to keep learning and improve. I am really happy to read things like this to make me realise how I could have handled things better and acknowledge it 😊
I want to add that I frequently say "did" and mean "didn't" when typing fast. I can't tell you how many times that has happened to me. So that part is not the "gotcha" people might think it is. (not taking sides, just pointing out that it's a common mistake)
I'm only half way through this but this whole "hater are trying to tear me down" "ppl are jealous!" blah blah blah copy pasta stuff just seems so suspicious. Like she's pointing fingers saying "that's the bad guy!" instead of just handling it like: "look my family commissioned it, I didn't know. I understand the confusion let me explain." and then explain. It just feels very.. idk kid tantrum-ish and freaking out. Edit: Okay lol so I was right she was having a freak out over it. I don't blame her, but yeah she should've handled it differently. BUT THE ARTIST??? Hello??? Imagine being so butt hurt that you ALTER YOUR ART to match the fucking model! GROSSSSSS! It's one thing to be an artist and use AI art- it's another to try and weasel your way into clout by lying about a commission. That artist should close their commissions and work on themselves by self reflecting. What a way to ruin yourself in the art world.
The Shylily comparisons is the reason I changed my vtuber name and design. I originally was named Mousy, and had a mouse design in mind. Thankfully never had a model made, but I became so scared of people coming after me. I've been using the name "mundane mousy" since like 2015, but that wouldn't matter being smaller. Edit: Stupidly forgot to explain, that my fear is Ironmouse fans coming for me lol Her fans and friends also call her Mousey, though spelt differently. My personality is rather "mousy", and I wouldn't want that attention. Not that I think I'd ever get big enough to be noticed, but the anxiety and paranoia is big in me, I'd rather not risk it lol There's other things also, my design had pink hair. Since I was a kid, I've always given my characters pink hair, so it would have been more of a target if noticed lol. But I really like my concept now, so that's okay ^^ Still working on the design.
@liImisskristy5467 ohh yeah ahah I think that makes more sense, but other than that as an artist I think the concept you previously had was actually very good and could be executed very very well :)) I know you are afraid of getting compared but if you just make a unique design I think you’ll be completely good! Also I love the “mundane mousy” name 🧡
Honestly I was on the artist's side until I saw that they actively used/use ai art in the past, and as their pfp, and I just dont trust their work or have any empathy personally for either person involved based on what I had seen whe this situation first happened. But I will edit my comment once I get to the twist...? 👀👀 edit: Okay so misscommunication mixed with the artist choosing to lie here for some reason about the sketch allegedly? what an odd jumbled situation.
I feel like the proportions claim is a bit hit or miss too, because I am making a vtuber model as well and I use the free 3d model in csp for general proportions. If melusine used/uses free 3d models for their sketch, it can be easily argued that their other artist also could've used those 3d models for similar proportions.
I agree. As someone else making a VTuber (I haven’t used any assets), she could have used a base, but even if she did, the face is still similar. That’s not really on assets online, like from YCHs and such, but sometimes they are! Just not in that eye shape.
There has been a huge uprising of sea themed vtubers. I think my personal issue is that they all have the hat and body marks. I know it's hard to make something super original so I'm not trying to belittle any vtuber with this kind of design it's cute after all Tails will always be similar because sharks, orcas, fish, dolphins and many other sea creatures have similar tails. Fins, gills and swimsuits all look similar in the end. I'm sure there are ways people could make it more original (instead of an actual tail it's a shape formed by hair or clothing maybe Idk) but I feel like there will only be so many ways these designs can be made.. This whole situation is.. Weird
Fr it's really frustrating, especially when all these vtubers with tails are getting compared to people like ShyLily. Like I swear everytime I see a new ocean/sea creature Vtuber with a tail I will go into the comments and the first thing I will see is 'ShyLily copy'.
it’s so simple to look original, but they _want_ to look the same. they all want the hat, they all want the marks, and they all want to be in a bikini/swimsuit.
I agree about the tail and fins. When it comes to swimsuits they can look very unique, but due to Twitch cracking down on everyone most people don't want to experiment too much with outfits like that. I mean no-one wants to pay 100's of dollars or more only to not be able to use the new model. Many sea vtubers also have the floppy ears at this point, and while Shylily used them as cat ears I think most sea-vtubers view them more as ear fins or something. Like those dragon like mermaid ears but soft. The hoodies probably became common since it can be kind of difficult to tell which sea creature they are otherwise as several have very similar defining features, and having a hoodie of the creature makes it very obvious, and it's great for merch. (In my opinion it's cute and understandable but kinda lazy design.) There's also anyone using the colour blue being accused of being a Gura clone. In general most people are taking inspiration from concepts that have already been proven to work, and it can be difficult to come up with an original and unique design when your head is so filled with already done concepts. Like when was the last time you saw an original looking cat girl design? (Cat Fantasy does have some pretty good designs but they have professional character designers and clear inspiration from real cats). For some reason very few artists, vtubers, and vtuber character designers seem to go back to basic to make their own take on something and just piggyback of already excising designs. And hey I've seen some good obviously inspired or very similar designs some I've even preferred to the "original". But it's rare to see a new take on stuff nowadays
I'm gonna be honest, I don't understand why every sea-themed vtuber have the YaeMiko ears.. It had nothing to do with whales/sharks?? So for so many of them to add this very specific detail to their models will always be a little weird to me. I have no idea if ShiLily was the first to do it (probably not), but it's such an iconic part of her model, OF COURSE anyone else trying to do the same thing will be compared to her. Also squishing the proportions a little bit does not mean it's an entirely new design?? People think they're so sly with these "the sketch has a STAR pendant but my model has a MOON pendant. Totally different, guys!"
Yeah, theres so many actual sea creature head accessories you could do (like the “ears” of a sea bunny, the top bit of a jellyfish, or the antennae of an isopod, etc.) maybe it is just because it looks nice, or maybe if they’re inspired by shylily and want to be similar to them a bit (being inspired by one detail isn’t copying)
Usually, they aren’t actually ears, but rather head fins, makes the design more interesting and tying the fish elements into the head as well instead of a random tail. I beleive kemono friends popularized this.
its bothering me that this finnya girl is trying to mean girl her way out of this lol all her replies are passive aggressive, keeps dropping "ah attacking me cuz of jealousy and clout !!" as a defense. they need to be humbled, theyre larping without even debuting yet,....... it seems obvious whos the one that truly cares about clout, and no surprise its the one wit a controversy about buying her account 😟 especially someone who keeps claiming "i dont like drama !" yet has the most tweets about the drama between them and the accuser. i mean she didnt steal the design, great job, thats basic humanity towards artists as a wannabe idol vtuber, but idk the whole attitude/personality is kinda nasty idk if either of these people deserve any support. its a whole muddy situation. it reminds me of that situation of some demon elf thing accusing some other of copying the theme/ white hair and being a mean girl on twitter.
girl would you be nice after some said you stole their sketch when you did not do that and you just came back from celebrating your 6k your drunk and not sober i ngl id be pissed off its like someone accusing you of stealing your savings after you went out with friends ppl get jealous and ppl get angry if your getting accused of something you didnt do sometimes you let too much emotions out its super annoying and im sure finnya was tired and drunk not even getting time to sober up
she said she was being harassed so my guess is she was just feed up with the whole situation, combined with desperately trying to prove herself and being overall upset differently didn't help. Also idk if I was being accused like her if I'd be nice or kind either but who knows- v -
36:00 Its me!! On another note, as an artist the similarities are just not it for me. Yes the body can line up, but I don't think anyone can claim a body shape unlike outfits or character designs. Finnya was very stressed with the situation, but she was absolutely amazing to work with! Hopefully this issue dies down and people can continue to support her
The thing is, what would be the point of tracing just the face and breasts? Everything else, proportions, outfit, hair isn't traced, so it's not as if the artist isn't capable. Why would they need to trace?
As an artist. I don't think some people understand that alot of times if you put artwork together some bits may match up, ie faces or even bust. But other proportions won't. It could be due to using clip studio paint assets, or others for the base. It happens. Not everything is traced unless it's one on one imo. I definitely give the benefit of the doubt tho. 😅
Regardless of all of it I hope she learned a lesson on how to act publicly. The whole "they're coming after me cause haters" is exactly what most toxic people who get called out default to. It's why no one believed her and still might not believe her. Her reaction was textbook scummy person reaction online lol. There's like hundreds of these types in dramas that we've seen by now so no wonder people questioned her. People seem to get upset when people question them, when you shouldn't have any problems answering questions if you're an honest person and in the right. If you get into drama and you actually are in the right then do your best to not freak out and just give out all the info you have on it. That's what people are asking the questions for afterall so if you fail to give anything then it makes you look really bad.
this is exactly why you should always hear out both sides before attacking/coming at anyone (you should never attack anyone unless there is full factual proof they did the wrong thing!) i hope things for finnya grow well and continues to thrive!
GUYS LOOK AT THIS FRAME 43:28 THIS LITERRALY SHOWS YUU IS FINNYA??? how else would she be able to see the dms or even send the refs??? So her whole argument 'it wasnt me' IS LITERALY FALSE?? Edit: i do wanna add the fact that she censored the name out prior to those screenshots, she was most likely tryna hide her involvment with the yuu account.
I’m sorry but even if Finnya is in the right, the way she’s acting makes it so hard to want to side with her. she thinks she can’t do anything wrong, and when she admits she is wrong she still goes into a “woe is me” yapping session. if she’s this reactive towards drama, I can’t see her making it very far.
you should cover the camila (vtuber) situation rn with her stalker, I’m still a bit confused abt it but the way you put your videos tg helps me understand the situations much better!
I agree that it should be covered, as it's something people need to be made aware of. But in short: Camilla went to a con in person and had a meet and greet. She got a lot of fan gifts and had a bunch of fun. A few weeks or months later she heard a loud bang by her window while she was streaming with Neuro and Vedal, she didn't see anything and just assumed that someone had gone to the wrong house. About a week or so after that a guy came to her house with a sledge hammer trying to break in. Camilla has an emergency button by her desk which immediately alerts 911 that something is wrong and they should send someone. The police came and found the guy holding a sledge hammer trying to run away. He claimed that he's a friend of hers and that he was just visiting. He was arrested and later admitted to the police that he had given her a gift during the con and hidden a gps tracker inside the gift and that's how he found her irl apartment. The police took all the gifts away to check them for more similar stuff. Camilla is staying somewhere else as she no longer feels safe at her old house. She will no longer hold in person meet and greets and will not accept any more gifts.
I honestly wasn't on the artist side to begin with, I don't know. Something about it just seemed off to me, even with being told not to make assumptions. I just honestly didn't like the artist and I'm glad that my feelings were correct. I really do hope that the vtuber sees a lot of success and able to put the drama behind them
"finnya is so annoying and mean" she was being HARASSED AND DEFAMED PUBLICLY and to top it all off she WASN'T SOBBER like ofc you won't put a rationally response and make a "mean girl" eske response, hope finnya is doing ok
43:28 Im sorry girl but how the hell you didn't see its literally same discord account commissioned melusine 16:03so like this finnya's "brother" is even real?? She didn't even confirmed that is was her brother or not. I think Finnya commissioned the artist from different account and thats why when she shows references she sent to other artists has that popular orca vtuber that was sent to Melusine too 48:52 I dont think Finnya used Melusine's sketch but i think Finnya DID commission her but due miscommunication didn't pay her 🤦
No, it's not the same person 🙄 do you people not understand that a friend can give you log in info to access their account and dms. You're genuinely stupid.
The original sketch at 40:31 make way more sense then the one she was claiming to be traced! the body portions looked so wired with the bolder shoulders and small face, it looks much more natural on the taller version
augh, as an artist who has been in this type of situation where it feels like someone has copied their work, Finnya gives me the major ICK. Every time they talk its like their constantly making paper crowns for themselves and ONLY for themselves, not even a casual word about this situation was uttered to make me be on their side for this....
Idky people are arguing so much about her defending herself, I mean I understand why she act so “I can’t let the haters get in my head!” When massive amount of hates comes towards you, don’t you know how much anxiety that gives you? Have you been in that situation before? being accused of things which wasn’t true? In my personal experience my anxiety would completely take over and I would act totally irrational like her, she is a small vtuber she literally just begun and probably don’t know how to act in such extreme social situations. Now I know you can’t excuse everything with it but I give her the benefit of the doubt because in my opinion the proofs are pretty valid since the artist hasn’t tried to disproof Finnya yet. But think of what you will I definitely understand her situation
Yes, she has valid proof of what I've seen here. Also, maybe I just feel bad for her, because I have unstable mental health and I have gotten irrational before, so I can relate. Of course that isn't an excuse to keep shitting on people and do awful things, but I didn't see that here. She got a bit too sassy, especially when drunk. She later explained, apologized and put an end to this situation. I just hope she can move on from this soon Edit: also learned she has a language barrier. Same here, we can say stuff that comes off rude to native English speakers. Also also, depending on what country she is in, some country's people just have a direct way of speaking. Around the European area I live in, people are direct and Americans especially tend to not like that for some reason
Finnya seems so unpleasant in her earlier posts. 😮💨 "People hate me because I'm popular!" Like girl its obviously a misunderstanding, just be normal and don't act all arrogant and fake. Wild behavior! Her final post was actually so well worded and real. Shes a lot more charismatic when shes being herself. The end makes so much more sense and I hope she has better experiences going forward.
Hello, Finnya here. I want to say thank you for clearing the air but also take the change to apologise here for the behaviour of me that made people angry. I know acted non rational and it made many people not believe me or hate me. As a non native english speaker i misunderstood many questions that went my way and I acknowledge my mistake in lashing out in the heat of the moment isntead of collecting my thoughts, sobering up, calming down. I have learned from this a lot and can hope people understood my frustration and situation. I hope we can all move past it and keep our opinion on both involved people without sending hate either way. Hate really really hurts expecially in the bulk I received it. And I wish it to no one. Thank you again for those who understand me and great apologises to those who are annoyed at me for my early responses to the event. Thankyou for everything ❤ now i hope this is the final end to the bad situation and everyone can move on and both learn from their mistakes.
Genuine question, why is the same tattoo on the characters neck at 41:51 (the first 2 sketches / concepts ) the same as the one on Melusines original sketch? It is blurry so I could be wrong, but just wanted to see why it does look the same/ similar. Or maybe it’s something completely different I’m seeing.
@Vynlee hello! Every artist was sent the same reference including the mark! The mark is because it is actually my irl tattoo on the same spot and wanted to have something of me in there! But we removed it because it makes no sense to have rabbit on a sharks neck haha!
@@FinnyaVTAll right that part makes more sense now but that doesn’t explain why the Yuu account was used for sending references to the artists who worked on the design and also used to get a sketch out of Melusine for free. This video itself shows the account being used to send reference photos to artists and is shown with the same username and pfp to have contact with Melusine. That means Melusines sketch was known about all along. Especially since you have access to the Yuu account and to the messages. And in your defense it came across as you not knowing Yuu initially. Explain that to me? Just also a genuine question because it doesn’t make much sense that Yuu would have been in contact with Melusine and having not paid Melusine. But then with other artists “Yuu” was also in contact with them sending them concepts but they were paid. Especially when at first it was a thing of you not knowing about Yuu or about Melusines sketch
I think it's hilarious that so many "seatubers" go with the same trend: sea creature (dolphin, orca, shark) tail, floppy ears, face markings and same kind of front hair. And then half of them are "copies" but some with same kind of combo are not. Like make up your mind. Personally I think that combo is so unoriginal and I see it around ALOT. You cannot act like a surprised pikachu face when using this kind of "inspiration" and then got accused of being shylily copy. No, these parts are not copyrighted, but when used together like this, I personally cannot pass it only just as "inspired".
I think a lot of UA-cam drama depends heavily on who the public likes more and she came across as super arrogant and wasn’t providing the evidence people wanted while accusing them of not reading her tweets.
A commission a pgntuber for my friend. I helped her find the artist and paid the artist directly. I made her do all communication on what she wanted. I always feel like this Vtuber always has something going on. Including her claiming she didn't the original and bought the model from someone. ECT
Not gonna lie the shark vtubers response gives hella elitist vibes which is not the energy you want to debut with... kinda gives pick me energy and was really gross to read no matter if she a victim of bullying or not...
I feel really bad for Finnya, but I'm still a little confused how Finnya got ahold of the discord account that contacted Melusine? And also why Finnya said she doesn't have Melu blocked, but previously said she was blocked because of the Shylilly accusations? Maybe im just remembering wrong.
The person who initially contacted Melusine was Finnya's brother, so I think it was a simple as Finnya asking for her brother's login info and then logging in, or him logging in for her and then her using his account to screen record. The blocking thing is definitely a bit confusing though, that much is true.
@@Nyomaa Do you have proof of this? All you did was link to a section of the video presumably everyone here already watched. It's impossible to know at this point whether or not Finnya was lying or if Yuu is also her account or not.
I want to give the Finnya girl the benefit of the doubt but there’s so much controversy about her. She’s been accused of using AI as well, so it’s disingenuous to try to use that against the artist. Not to mention making mean spirited comments about a VTuber who passed away then claiming that was someone else who previously owned that account. Way too much drama when you’re still pre-debut.
44:18 Finnya: Melusine was contacted by someone that was not me. I have never seen their sketch before... 43:28 Shows the Yuu account being used to send references to the other artists for Finnya's model. Hmm 🤔
You stupid, have you never thought of a friend giving you their discord log in so you can access their account. Or better yet, they send you a video of them accessing their account and then you post that on Twitter. You're genuinely stupid, your common sense skills are lacking.
wanting a free sketch and only paying if you like it/want to use it is like ordering an appetizer at a restaurant and expecting not to pay for it because you didn't enjoy it mf you still ate it the work happened
that's the problem with anime in general, all the characters look very similar because they follow the same patterns, proportions etc that anime style provides. No way somebody will create an anime character that is incredibly unique. As an idea the artists can try to mix different styles and techniques in order to get something different.
i can personally vouch for shadowusagi on vgen, their work is stellar. i own a model from em and it was $400 for art and rig, + u can commission them at a later date to add more toggles/edits/etc.
needi is a vtuber that has an extensive list of artists they’ve vetted on their twitter! i recommend their list, each artist is someone they’ve personally commissioned before!
did not notice yuu was the texter in that screen shot until i read ur comment, but i'd like to mention (i do not support finnya) what if yuu, bought sketches from other artists for the gift since they even stated in the beginning they were talking to other artists about the same concept? and sent screenshots to finnya to use for her proof?
I immediately gravitated towards the artist side because I couldn’t see the logic behind it. When I first saw the side by side comparison I saw it and I was confused, as a hobbyist artist I saw the sketch had some anatomy mistakes, it wasn’t a big deal but the official reference did not, and I was getting suspicious and couldn’t wrap my head around the fact if they can can recognise and fix the anatomy mistakes why trace, and if you were going to trace wouldn’t you trace a more accurate model??? I thought I was being rude in my head, however luckily I watched towards the end and it was cleared up for me.
9:30 what? The pose doesnt matter at all for the comparison. How is it disingenuous? He listed all the actually physical differences. The pose isnt gonna suddenly change the accessories and details.
idk.. i feel like one of the main accusations was proportions and the face/hair being traced right?? why wouldnt u use a straight on image of ur model to prove its not remotely similar.. plus the pose is literally bent at the knees so the "shorter body proportions" part is more exaggerated, sure the outfit and stuff is different but the og artist never argued that part was copied yknow
@@katsuowo the first accusation was copying the design. Then it turned into tracing parts. Which that person wasn't even the artist so she should have been calling out the artist if that was the case. (Or contacted the v tuber and said they think part of the model was traced) Ultimately to me, the original accuser sounded a bit crazy, demanding credit for something that possibly wasn't even used. But the v tuber kinda dug themselves into the ass HOLE. It could have all been simple or not even been brought up. Besides the payment which they should have gone after the actual person that was supposed to pay. And the v tuber could have easily said, "look I gave the same prompts/references to other artists so of course the results will be similar." Then provided proof. But I just really hate all the bs "evidence" people try to use that is flawed at best and completely misrepresented at worst.
tbh i still do believe Finnya or whoever did Finnya's design traced it. I think the sketch is only different because it was shortened and THEN traced upon, so Melusine adjusted it to better show the similarities. The face and boobs line up too perfectly to not be traced. ps- please note this is my personal opinion, i may be wrong, i just wanna share my pov
hiii random japanese person over here^^ just wanted to let you know that the two japanese characters next to Yuu's name literally just says 'Yuu' and means nothing important lmao. also ahoge is pronounced ah-hoh-geh ('stupid person' in japanese is 'aho' and 'ge' is hair so its used often for the design of goofy characters to make them seem more approachable and well, stupid lmao) 👍sorry if im being annoying (erm aktually moment T_T) and thank u for ur lovely vtuber drama content !!
I wonder who is right or not. I’m still new as an artist, so i don’t really understand much about it ❤ watching these videos help with tips on bodies and stuff. I’m working on my new oc at the moment. I hope this stuff never happens to me D:
The artist who accused Finnya of copying is absolutely NOT in the right. Altering your sketch to claim that it was traced is legit some of the scummiest behavior I've ever seen in the art community.
I am always suspicious of someone who starts saying that an accusation is being made of them out of jealousy. This is the first time ever in my life that I feel that they might have actually been right.
i've been considering if i want to do vtuber character designs to expand my illustration portfolio and practice Live2d as my friends convince me. But with how hostile the community is getting along with rampant theft and drama, i'll hold the idea on the shelf for my peace of mind
I first responded to Melusine saying that's crazy but and then finnya replied to me and I got so confused then after the Vtuber drama kept going it was more of a "he said she said" moment then I was more confused so I just walked off of it.
i believe going around and making artist make sketches for you without any money or credit is absolutely scammy af tho that might be that vtubers brothers fault, it still doesnt make her case any better when each time someone questions her she either copy paste the same thing over and over again or claims that the people questioning her are stupid and goes full on victim mentallity, its just not a good look
She was tired and had basically just gotten home from the bar, plus this just happened out the blue and was targeted towards her. She’s a wonderful person to talk to, she’s everything but mean
😂😂 at this point I ignore them on twitter in fact I got 2 trying to force me to buy their works when I told them no thanks I draw my own then they wanna criticize me when their samples are obviously generated by an app my husband used for our Xbox icons. And copied works from another person.
There are so many same looking vtubers that Im pretty sure Ive been confused with 3 other vtuber to be ironmouse If I was accused by something and it gets blown out, Id be an asshole too.
I have one question... How is this very specific Chinese character neck tattoo on the, allegedly, original Melusine sketch but also in the references that Finnya sent over to her artists? It's there even in the WIP designs. Obviously they decided to not go with it in the end, but I find it interesting that this small detail is there for both sides? Or did I get confused along the way? The stretching and adjusting the sketch later is suspicious too. I have no clue who any of the people related to this situation are. Just... a thought.
Hello it was a reference sent to everyone! It's because I wanted it to have a bit of >me< in it and I have this specific tattoo, when the steps of my design progess are shown you will see initially it's there but removed because it means rabbit actually and looked a bit funny on a shark haha
@@FinnyaVT Thanks for telling me! What confused me is how the other person knew to include the tattoo if they were never commissioned. But if the references were freely shared around and perhaps visible on your discord channel then it all checks out. And yes, I could see why having bunny tattoo would seem a bit of a mismatch with being a shark. Maybe if you get a toggle with elongated bunny ears in the future you could add that in as well. 👍
@@FinnyaVT While I made my own from art to rigging I get the excitement of getting your own. Sea bunnies also exist, so maybe your bunny dreams being mixed with sharkiness aren't that farfetched after all~ Good luck with your vtubing!
Something not necessarily related to this incident confuses me. Finnya mentionned jealousy for her success at 6k, but later mentions she didn't even stream once yet. I'm not too familiar with the Vtuber scene, but how can one become successful before even starting? Is it like Tiktok and Twitter pre-hyping?
Wait, I'm confused... at 49:29 it is a video from FinnyaVT opening the psd sketch that Melusine sent... Is that her discord account? She was claiming she didn't commission Melusine at all. How does she have access to their DMs if she didn't commission Melusine?? This whole thing has been hurting my brain. (Also I'm not saying either is in the wrong, I'm just genuinely confused with that video FinnyaVT posted)
dude why is everyone giving the vtuber the reason? the design matches the artist's drawing's proportion and shapes to a T when overlapped. Two artists can come up with the same concept but they're NOT gonna be executed in the same way but the proportions are a HUGE coincidence and it doesn't help how overly defensive the vtuber is acting
I'm mostly just confused why finyan didn't drop the dms people were asking for from the very start, that would have cleared stuff up immediately? Instead she had to reply so agressively to everyone so people got even more sus of her lol
Oh shoot, you missed the part where she lost the 6k followers she had and then botted it back up to 6k with crypto bots. I was hoping you'd talk about that lol.
I don't like Shylily or anyone else involved but honestly people just need to be creative. Obviously some models will be similar since there's only so many concepts but stop riding design trends like the sea creatures with the markings and such for example. Or at least really make it your own.
This. How about making atleast different kind of ears? Like if it's have to be fin, there's a plenty of choises to choose from, like a seahorse for example. Or how about not those claw type markings, make your character have spots or something? Like I'm not fan of Shylily either, but clearly other people just want to ride with her vtuber design and make it as their own with few twists. And it's always the same tail, hair, ear, markings, bodytype combo. The lack of the creativity just baffels me.
Personally, I kind of think Melu didn't squish down the sketch to be purposefully deceitful, but more so to see if the sketch was altered in that way before (potential) tracing. A lot of times people will squish and deform the original art before tracing to try to 'hide' it better, but it can still be seen if you squish it to fit. I don't reeeeally lean on thinking it was traced or stolen, but Finnya's attitude was so appalling the entire time I have no want to back her up either. 💀 She had absolutely no desire to figure out what was happening or why the Artist felt that way and just jumped straight to "ew hater you're jealous of me" (she also?? weirdly lied about blocking Melu?? despite her having screenshots of it??).
Tbh I'm not really interested/involved with VTubers but I still continue to binge all this drama that happens regularly
Vtubing and Artist community are full of envy, false accusations and money drama.
@@maxnami because when you have ANY community with millions of people there's going to be bad actors. It's not an art community or vtuber special thing
Same
this is exactly how i am, i actually kinda dislike vtubers but the drama is drama, i cant complain when im getting my daily dose of internet drama LOL
Literally same never watched or intend to watch any vtuber content, I don’t really watch any streamers. But everyday im here on this channel it’s my current hyper fixation I love the drama
As much as I don’t agree with the artist, finnya is kinda hard to sympathize with,, this mindset when hit with any type of criticism or questioning with “you’re dumb and just wanna tear me down because you’re jealous” and acting snarky and condescending isn’t the cute bad bitch mindset she thinks it is, she needs to learn how to handle things like this before she even thinks of debuting anyway
Her response is understandable knowing now that she probably wasn’t sober, I hope it’s a lesson learned in how to handle controversy
I agree, calling everyone who is skeptical as a hater isnt helping her issue, it personally detracts me from watching her.
I agree. Also, if the artist misunderstood and someone else commissioned work, then it was a basic misunderstanding. No need to to respond in such a nasty way.
Imagine doing nothing wrong but having such awful vibes no one wants to believe you 😂
That's an understatement. She seemed petty and straight up nasty. All she had to do is respond normally. OOF.
right?? the vibes were horrendous 😭I was just staring the entire time, thinkin, surely, this didn't have to be so convoluted o.o
Perfect victim mentality. Reacting to an overnight viral hate campaign against you with grace and dignity is virtuous, but rare. Realistically, most people are going to panic, be upset and not think things through clearly. Most people will throw a fit when unfairly wronged.
@@LumaFuwari I know my choice of defence was really poor during my state of panic! I learned a lot to calm down first, I am really new to the online community and hope to keep learning and improve. I am really happy to read things like this to make me realise how I could have handled things better and acknowledge it 😊
@@ickicki Yeah but most people don't make up stories and cry about jealous ppl unless they already have that mentality. Which is a redflag imo.
I want to add that I frequently say "did" and mean "didn't" when typing fast. I can't tell you how many times that has happened to me. So that part is not the "gotcha" people might think it is. (not taking sides, just pointing out that it's a common mistake)
omg that happens sm to me too ;-;
I do it as well but i wouldn't use it as a proof lol
@@katliente Melusine posted new video on her Twitter that has a lot more screenshots than were available before
These videos are like bite-sized daytime dramas, you got the whole story arc with a twist ending in only 1 hour
I'm only half way through this but this whole "hater are trying to tear me down" "ppl are jealous!" blah blah blah copy pasta stuff just seems so suspicious. Like she's pointing fingers saying "that's the bad guy!" instead of just handling it like: "look my family commissioned it, I didn't know. I understand the confusion let me explain." and then explain. It just feels very.. idk kid tantrum-ish and freaking out.
Edit: Okay lol so I was right she was having a freak out over it. I don't blame her, but yeah she should've handled it differently. BUT THE ARTIST??? Hello??? Imagine being so butt hurt that you ALTER YOUR ART to match the fucking model! GROSSSSSS! It's one thing to be an artist and use AI art- it's another to try and weasel your way into clout by lying about a commission. That artist should close their commissions and work on themselves by self reflecting. What a way to ruin yourself in the art world.
When some is drinking, and stuff like this goes down, you can't expect them to have rational ideas and thoughts at the moment.
@ you didn’t read my edit… lol
The Shylily comparisons is the reason I changed my vtuber name and design. I originally was named Mousy, and had a mouse design in mind. Thankfully never had a model made, but I became so scared of people coming after me. I've been using the name "mundane mousy" since like 2015, but that wouldn't matter being smaller.
Edit: Stupidly forgot to explain, that my fear is Ironmouse fans coming for me lol Her fans and friends also call her Mousey, though spelt differently. My personality is rather "mousy", and I wouldn't want that attention. Not that I think I'd ever get big enough to be noticed, but the anxiety and paranoia is big in me, I'd rather not risk it lol There's other things also, my design had pink hair. Since I was a kid, I've always given my characters pink hair, so it would have been more of a target if noticed lol. But I really like my concept now, so that's okay ^^ Still working on the design.
I think that it was actually a great idea! why were you scared of being compared to shylily? isn't your idea really really different from her brand?
@@undead_moss theymaybe meant they wil get compared too other mouse mouse vtubers
@liImisskristy5467 ohh yeah ahah I think that makes more sense, but other than that as an artist I think the concept you previously had was actually very good and could be executed very very well :)) I know you are afraid of getting compared but if you just make a unique design I think you’ll be completely good! Also I love the “mundane mousy” name 🧡
@@undead_moss i think they might've been scared to be compared to ironmouse rather than shylily
@ oh yeah now I understand, but still I think if the design is a whole different vibe and they don’t copy any other tuber they should be fine
Honestly I was on the artist's side until I saw that they actively used/use ai art in the past, and as their pfp, and I just dont trust their work or have any empathy personally for either person involved based on what I had seen whe this situation first happened. But I will edit my comment once I get to the twist...? 👀👀
edit: Okay so misscommunication mixed with the artist choosing to lie here for some reason about the sketch allegedly? what an odd jumbled situation.
You can be on someones side without feeling empathy for them.
@@Mxgical-q not me personally, i choose not to side with people who've used ai generated images i should've been clearer in my comment that's my fault
@@Sasha-wp5uv isn't this a very selfish way of thinking? You don't need to act like using ai art is a major crime
I feel like the proportions claim is a bit hit or miss too, because I am making a vtuber model as well and I use the free 3d model in csp for general proportions. If melusine used/uses free 3d models for their sketch, it can be easily argued that their other artist also could've used those 3d models for similar proportions.
I agree. As someone else making a VTuber (I haven’t used any assets), she could have used a base, but even if she did, the face is still similar. That’s not really on assets online, like from YCHs and such, but sometimes they are! Just not in that eye shape.
There has been a huge uprising of sea themed vtubers. I think my personal issue is that they all have the hat and body marks. I know it's hard to make something super original so I'm not trying to belittle any vtuber with this kind of design it's cute after all
Tails will always be similar because sharks, orcas, fish, dolphins and many other sea creatures have similar tails. Fins, gills and swimsuits all look similar in the end.
I'm sure there are ways people could make it more original (instead of an actual tail it's a shape formed by hair or clothing maybe Idk) but I feel like there will only be so many ways these designs can be made..
This whole situation is.. Weird
Fr it's really frustrating, especially when all these vtubers with tails are getting compared to people like ShyLily. Like I swear everytime I see a new ocean/sea creature Vtuber with a tail I will go into the comments and the first thing I will see is 'ShyLily copy'.
it’s so simple to look original, but they _want_ to look the same. they all want the hat, they all want the marks, and they all want to be in a bikini/swimsuit.
I agree about the tail and fins. When it comes to swimsuits they can look very unique, but due to Twitch cracking down on everyone most people don't want to experiment too much with outfits like that. I mean no-one wants to pay 100's of dollars or more only to not be able to use the new model.
Many sea vtubers also have the floppy ears at this point, and while Shylily used them as cat ears I think most sea-vtubers view them more as ear fins or something. Like those dragon like mermaid ears but soft.
The hoodies probably became common since it can be kind of difficult to tell which sea creature they are otherwise as several have very similar defining features, and having a hoodie of the creature makes it very obvious, and it's great for merch. (In my opinion it's cute and understandable but kinda lazy design.)
There's also anyone using the colour blue being accused of being a Gura clone.
In general most people are taking inspiration from concepts that have already been proven to work, and it can be difficult to come up with an original and unique design when your head is so filled with already done concepts. Like when was the last time you saw an original looking cat girl design? (Cat Fantasy does have some pretty good designs but they have professional character designers and clear inspiration from real cats). For some reason very few artists, vtubers, and vtuber character designers seem to go back to basic to make their own take on something and just piggyback of already excising designs.
And hey I've seen some good obviously inspired or very similar designs some I've even preferred to the "original". But it's rare to see a new take on stuff nowadays
I'm gonna be honest, I don't understand why every sea-themed vtuber have the YaeMiko ears.. It had nothing to do with whales/sharks?? So for so many of them to add this very specific detail to their models will always be a little weird to me.
I have no idea if ShiLily was the first to do it (probably not), but it's such an iconic part of her model, OF COURSE anyone else trying to do the same thing will be compared to her.
Also squishing the proportions a little bit does not mean it's an entirely new design?? People think they're so sly with these "the sketch has a STAR pendant but my model has a MOON pendant. Totally different, guys!"
I agree with you honestly
They're kinda shaped like fins so maybe that's why? Idk I just think they're cute and add nice movement to the design
Yeah, theres so many actual sea creature head accessories you could do (like the “ears” of a sea bunny, the top bit of a jellyfish, or the antennae of an isopod, etc.) maybe it is just because it looks nice, or maybe if they’re inspired by shylily and want to be similar to them a bit (being inspired by one detail isn’t copying)
specifically finnya is also a cat [+ shark hybrid] so i think they are cat ears?
Usually, they aren’t actually ears, but rather head fins, makes the design more interesting and tying the fish elements into the head as well instead of a random tail. I beleive kemono friends popularized this.
its bothering me that this finnya girl is trying to mean girl her way out of this lol all her replies are passive aggressive, keeps dropping "ah attacking me cuz of jealousy and clout !!" as a defense. they need to be humbled, theyre larping without even debuting yet,....... it seems obvious whos the one that truly cares about clout, and no surprise its the one wit a controversy about buying her account 😟 especially someone who keeps claiming "i dont like drama !" yet has the most tweets about the drama between them and the accuser.
i mean she didnt steal the design, great job, thats basic humanity towards artists as a wannabe idol vtuber, but idk the whole attitude/personality is kinda nasty idk if either of these people deserve any support. its a whole muddy situation.
it reminds me of that situation of some demon elf thing accusing some other of copying the theme/ white hair and being a mean girl on twitter.
girl would you be nice after some said you stole their sketch when you did not do that and you just came back from celebrating your 6k your drunk and not sober i ngl id be pissed off its like someone accusing you of stealing your savings after you went out with friends ppl get jealous and ppl get angry if your getting accused of something you didnt do sometimes you let too much emotions out its super annoying and im sure finnya was tired and drunk not even getting time to sober up
and she does im pretty sure you didnt watch the hole vid
I know finnya is in the right but she just seems so mean and annoying that I dont even care tbh 😭😭😭
she said she was being harassed so my guess is she was just feed up with the whole situation, combined with desperately trying to prove herself and being overall upset differently didn't help. Also idk if I was being accused like her if I'd be nice or kind either but who knows- v -
Id be an asshole too
36:00 Its me!! On another note, as an artist the similarities are just not it for me. Yes the body can line up, but I don't think anyone can claim a body shape unlike outfits or character designs. Finnya was very stressed with the situation, but she was absolutely amazing to work with! Hopefully this issue dies down and people can continue to support her
The thing is, what would be the point of tracing just the face and breasts? Everything else, proportions, outfit, hair isn't traced, so it's not as if the artist isn't capable. Why would they need to trace?
As an artist. I don't think some people understand that alot of times if you put artwork together some bits may match up, ie faces or even bust. But other proportions won't. It could be due to using clip studio paint assets, or others for the base. It happens.
Not everything is traced unless it's one on one imo. I definitely give the benefit of the doubt tho. 😅
It's not super uncommon to trace just the parts you're bad at, but this really doesn't seem traced
Regardless of all of it I hope she learned a lesson on how to act publicly. The whole "they're coming after me cause haters" is exactly what most toxic people who get called out default to. It's why no one believed her and still might not believe her. Her reaction was textbook scummy person reaction online lol. There's like hundreds of these types in dramas that we've seen by now so no wonder people questioned her.
People seem to get upset when people question them, when you shouldn't have any problems answering questions if you're an honest person and in the right. If you get into drama and you actually are in the right then do your best to not freak out and just give out all the info you have on it. That's what people are asking the questions for afterall so if you fail to give anything then it makes you look really bad.
this is exactly why you should always hear out both sides before attacking/coming at anyone (you should never attack anyone unless there is full factual proof they did the wrong thing!)
i hope things for finnya grow well and continues to thrive!
Yeah, everyone is calling her a mean b*tch but I just low-key feel bad for her. We make mistakes and try to learn from it, so I wish her the best
Told to not make assumptions before the end, so saying they're innocent without watching the video or knowing anything. No one can change my mind
Your assumption is correct
GUYS LOOK AT THIS FRAME 43:28 THIS LITERRALY SHOWS YUU IS FINNYA??? how else would she be able to see the dms or even send the refs??? So her whole argument 'it wasnt me' IS LITERALY FALSE??
Edit: i do wanna add the fact that she censored the name out prior to those screenshots, she was most likely tryna hide her involvment with the yuu account.
I can't believe it wtf
So she DID commission her🤦
Are you stupid. She got the commissioners LOG IN INFO WHERE YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE SHE SAYS THAT IN TWITTER.
@emotionalfrick NO SHE DIDNT 💀 USE YOUR BRAIN AND LEARN TO READ
I’m sorry but even if Finnya is in the right, the way she’s acting makes it so hard to want to side with her. she thinks she can’t do anything wrong, and when she admits she is wrong she still goes into a “woe is me” yapping session.
if she’s this reactive towards drama, I can’t see her making it very far.
you should cover the camila (vtuber) situation rn with her stalker, I’m still a bit confused abt it but the way you put your videos tg helps me understand the situations much better!
I agree that it should be covered, as it's something people need to be made aware of.
But in short:
Camilla went to a con in person and had a meet and greet. She got a lot of fan gifts and had a bunch of fun.
A few weeks or months later she heard a loud bang by her window while she was streaming with Neuro and Vedal, she didn't see anything and just assumed that someone had gone to the wrong house.
About a week or so after that a guy came to her house with a sledge hammer trying to break in. Camilla has an emergency button by her desk which immediately alerts 911 that something is wrong and they should send someone.
The police came and found the guy holding a sledge hammer trying to run away. He claimed that he's a friend of hers and that he was just visiting.
He was arrested and later admitted to the police that he had given her a gift during the con and hidden a gps tracker inside the gift and that's how he found her irl apartment.
The police took all the gifts away to check them for more similar stuff.
Camilla is staying somewhere else as she no longer feels safe at her old house.
She will no longer hold in person meet and greets and will not accept any more gifts.
I am addicted to your content. It brings up the *older lady at the hairdressers catching up with the latest gossip* part in me!
I honestly wasn't on the artist side to begin with, I don't know. Something about it just seemed off to me, even with being told not to make assumptions. I just honestly didn't like the artist and I'm glad that my feelings were correct. I really do hope that the vtuber sees a lot of success and able to put the drama behind them
"finnya is so annoying and mean" she was being HARASSED AND DEFAMED PUBLICLY and to top it all off she WASN'T SOBBER like ofc you won't put a rationally response and make a "mean girl" eske response, hope finnya is doing ok
Just a heads up, SmolLola never "graduated" she simply did a name change once again.
the vtuber model really suits you . Reminds me of your green hair days :)
43:28 Im sorry girl but how the hell you didn't see its literally same discord account commissioned melusine 16:03so like this finnya's "brother" is even real?? She didn't even confirmed that is was her brother or not.
I think Finnya commissioned the artist from different account and thats why when she shows references she sent to other artists has that popular orca vtuber that was sent to Melusine too 48:52
I dont think Finnya used Melusine's sketch but i think Finnya DID commission her but due miscommunication didn't pay her 🤦
No, it's not the same person 🙄 do you people not understand that a friend can give you log in info to access their account and dms. You're genuinely stupid.
The original sketch at 40:31 make way more sense then the one she was claiming to be traced! the body portions looked so wired with the bolder shoulders and small face, it looks much more natural on the taller version
37:47 Katliente became a vtuber that's so cool, also remember everyone always pay your artists
augh, as an artist who has been in this type of situation where it feels like someone has copied their work, Finnya gives me the major ICK. Every time they talk its like their constantly making paper crowns for themselves and ONLY for themselves, not even a casual word about this situation was uttered to make me be on their side for this....
Congrats on 101 K! 🎉🎉🎉
tysm bloody!!
The way I just spent an hour listening to this video while working, without at any point realising it was an hour long video lol
Idky people are arguing so much about her defending herself, I mean I understand why she act so “I can’t let the haters get in my head!” When massive amount of hates comes towards you, don’t you know how much anxiety that gives you? Have you been in that situation before? being accused of things which wasn’t true? In my personal experience my anxiety would completely take over and I would act totally irrational like her, she is a small vtuber she literally just begun and probably don’t know how to act in such extreme social situations. Now I know you can’t excuse everything with it but I give her the benefit of the doubt because in my opinion the proofs are pretty valid since the artist hasn’t tried to disproof Finnya yet. But think of what you will I definitely understand her situation
fr its so annoying for these ppl to act like they wouldnt be pissed off if they were her
Yes, she has valid proof of what I've seen here. Also, maybe I just feel bad for her, because I have unstable mental health and I have gotten irrational before, so I can relate. Of course that isn't an excuse to keep shitting on people and do awful things, but I didn't see that here. She got a bit too sassy, especially when drunk. She later explained, apologized and put an end to this situation. I just hope she can move on from this soon
Edit: also learned she has a language barrier. Same here, we can say stuff that comes off rude to native English speakers. Also also, depending on what country she is in, some country's people just have a direct way of speaking. Around the European area I live in, people are direct and Americans especially tend to not like that for some reason
Finnya seems so unpleasant in her earlier posts. 😮💨 "People hate me because I'm popular!" Like girl its obviously a misunderstanding, just be normal and don't act all arrogant and fake. Wild behavior! Her final post was actually so well worded and real. Shes a lot more charismatic when shes being herself. The end makes so much more sense and I hope she has better experiences going forward.
Hello, Finnya here. I want to say thank you for clearing the air but also take the change to apologise here for the behaviour of me that made people angry. I know acted non rational and it made many people not believe me or hate me. As a non native english speaker i misunderstood many questions that went my way and I acknowledge my mistake in lashing out in the heat of the moment isntead of collecting my thoughts, sobering up, calming down. I have learned from this a lot and can hope people understood my frustration and situation. I hope we can all move past it and keep our opinion on both involved people without sending hate either way. Hate really really hurts expecially in the bulk I received it. And I wish it to no one. Thank you again for those who understand me and great apologises to those who are annoyed at me for my early responses to the event. Thankyou for everything ❤ now i hope this is the final end to the bad situation and everyone can move on and both learn from their mistakes.
Genuine question, why is the same tattoo on the characters neck at 41:51 (the first 2 sketches / concepts ) the same as the one on Melusines original sketch? It is blurry so I could be wrong, but just wanted to see why it does look the same/ similar. Or maybe it’s something completely different I’m seeing.
49:06 shows Melusines original sketch with the same tattoo on the neck. Unless I’m looking over something or missing something. Or not understanding
Rewatching certain parts of this video also shows that you were involved with the yuu account as well
@Vynlee hello! Every artist was sent the same reference including the mark! The mark is because it is actually my irl tattoo on the same spot and wanted to have something of me in there! But we removed it because it makes no sense to have rabbit on a sharks neck haha!
@@FinnyaVTAll right that part makes more sense now but that doesn’t explain why the Yuu account was used for sending references to the artists who worked on the design and also used to get a sketch out of Melusine for free. This video itself shows the account being used to send reference photos to artists and is shown with the same username and pfp to have contact with Melusine. That means Melusines sketch was known about all along. Especially since you have access to the Yuu account and to the messages. And in your defense it came across as you not knowing Yuu initially. Explain that to me?
Just also a genuine question because it doesn’t make much sense that Yuu would have been in contact with Melusine and having not paid Melusine. But then with other artists “Yuu” was also in contact with them sending them concepts but they were paid. Especially when at first it was a thing of you not knowing about Yuu or about Melusines sketch
CANT BELIEVE I JUST SAW THIS, we love ur videos queen Kat!
100K!!!!
IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU, YOU DESERVE IT
I think it's hilarious that so many "seatubers" go with the same trend: sea creature (dolphin, orca, shark) tail, floppy ears, face markings and same kind of front hair. And then half of them are "copies" but some with same kind of combo are not. Like make up your mind. Personally I think that combo is so unoriginal and I see it around ALOT. You cannot act like a surprised pikachu face when using this kind of "inspiration" and then got accused of being shylily copy. No, these parts are not copyrighted, but when used together like this, I personally cannot pass it only just as "inspired".
I'm sorry, but Finnya really comes off as annoying to me-
I think a lot of UA-cam drama depends heavily on who the public likes more and she came across as super arrogant and wasn’t providing the evidence people wanted while accusing them of not reading her tweets.
A commission a pgntuber for my friend. I helped her find the artist and paid the artist directly. I made her do all communication on what she wanted.
I always feel like this Vtuber always has something going on. Including her claiming she didn't the original and bought the model from someone. ECT
I'm honestly getting bored of all the drama of similar designs.
13:29 “We need to change stuff, and then it’s traced.” ….uuuuuuuuh. Really now?
by the end of the video it's clear the artist was planning these lies for a while
The "another vtuber" at 1:15 is .ari Yume!
I'm genuinely so sick of hearing "Shylily clone", like, girl, that is a SUPER generic design, let's be honest with ourselves.
Not gonna lie the shark vtubers response gives hella elitist vibes which is not the energy you want to debut with... kinda gives pick me energy and was really gross to read no matter if she a victim of bullying or not...
I feel really bad for Finnya, but I'm still a little confused how Finnya got ahold of the discord account that contacted Melusine? And also why Finnya said she doesn't have Melu blocked, but previously said she was blocked because of the Shylilly accusations? Maybe im just remembering wrong.
The person who initially contacted Melusine was Finnya's brother, so I think it was a simple as Finnya asking for her brother's login info and then logging in, or him logging in for her and then her using his account to screen record.
The blocking thing is definitely a bit confusing though, that much is true.
Finnya IS Yuu. She’s lying about not seeing the sketch 43:28
@@Nyomaa Do you have proof of this? All you did was link to a section of the video presumably everyone here already watched. It's impossible to know at this point whether or not Finnya was lying or if Yuu is also her account or not.
@@Kiras_Megalomania1994there's no proof that it's her brother, and she didn't say it was. She just said she got that person's log in.
@@Nyomaano she's not, you're delusionally stupid.
I was just thinking I needed something to listen to while packing. Thank you, Kat!
you’re welcome!!
I want to give the Finnya girl the benefit of the doubt but there’s so much controversy about her. She’s been accused of using AI as well, so it’s disingenuous to try to use that against the artist. Not to mention making mean spirited comments about a VTuber who passed away then claiming that was someone else who previously owned that account. Way too much drama when you’re still pre-debut.
Just making this clear, MOST artists just want to be credited if you take their art to use as a PFP.
Credit them, and it will be ok!
44:18 Finnya: Melusine was contacted by someone that was not me. I have never seen their sketch before...
43:28 Shows the Yuu account being used to send references to the other artists for Finnya's model.
Hmm 🤔
You stupid, have you never thought of a friend giving you their discord log in so you can access their account. Or better yet, they send you a video of them accessing their account and then you post that on Twitter. You're genuinely stupid, your common sense skills are lacking.
Finnya seems so insufferable & unlikable LMAO
wanting a free sketch and only paying if you like it/want to use it is like ordering an appetizer at a restaurant and expecting not to pay for it because you didn't enjoy it
mf you still ate it
the work happened
that's the problem with anime in general, all the characters look very similar because they follow the same patterns, proportions etc that anime style provides. No way somebody will create an anime character that is incredibly unique. As an idea the artists can try to mix different styles and techniques in order to get something different.
Is there a vtuber artist you would recommend, I wanna get a model made but I don't know what site to go through.
Vgen would be your go to.
Vgen or kofi
i can personally vouch for shadowusagi on vgen, their work is stellar. i own a model from em and it was $400 for art and rig, + u can commission them at a later date to add more toggles/edits/etc.
needi is a vtuber that has an extensive list of artists they’ve vetted on their twitter! i recommend their list, each artist is someone they’ve personally commissioned before!
Dude.. 43:28 literally shows that yuu IS finnya??
Also, this literally means that Finnya DID copy aspects of Melusines sketch
did not notice yuu was the texter in that screen shot until i read ur comment, but i'd like to mention (i do not support finnya) what if yuu, bought sketches from other artists for the gift since they even stated in the beginning they were talking to other artists about the same concept? and sent screenshots to finnya to use for her proof?
Nope.
@@MLPRainySky02312 uh, yeah?
@@rwottingb0ngwater idk about that but her lying about being Yuu is mad sketchy and just dumb, even if she was proven to be in the right
@@Nyomaa valid
I love listening to these because they help me with work
Vtuber Kat is actually the most adorable.
awwwh ty!!
I genuinely need the Vtubing community to have fewer immature children in it in 2025 PLEASE
if you're in the right why would you make it a whole headache inducing ordeal and argue around the questions being asked
Imo, to me it really does look like they took an unfinished design sketch and lied about using it….. 😅
I immediately gravitated towards the artist side because I couldn’t see the logic behind it. When I first saw the side by side comparison I saw it and I was confused, as a hobbyist artist I saw the sketch had some anatomy mistakes, it wasn’t a big deal but the official reference did not, and I was getting suspicious and couldn’t wrap my head around the fact if they can can recognise and fix the anatomy mistakes why trace, and if you were going to trace wouldn’t you trace a more accurate model??? I thought I was being rude in my head, however luckily I watched towards the end and it was cleared up for me.
Imagine meeting someone with a similar body shape/proportions to you in real life and crying on social media that they copied you.....
Omg that artist is so rude 😭😭
fr like its such a petty thing to do
9:30 what? The pose doesnt matter at all for the comparison. How is it disingenuous? He listed all the actually physical differences. The pose isnt gonna suddenly change the accessories and details.
And then you overlay your photoshopped version and say the boobs lined up? You couldn't possibly think that's a good argument. Wtf?
That's what I was thinking
Yeah that is what I was thinking, too
idk.. i feel like one of the main accusations was proportions and the face/hair being traced right?? why wouldnt u use a straight on image of ur model to prove its not remotely similar.. plus the pose is literally bent at the knees so the "shorter body proportions" part is more exaggerated, sure the outfit and stuff is different but the og artist never argued that part was copied yknow
@@katsuowo the first accusation was copying the design. Then it turned into tracing parts. Which that person wasn't even the artist so she should have been calling out the artist if that was the case. (Or contacted the v tuber and said they think part of the model was traced) Ultimately to me, the original accuser sounded a bit crazy, demanding credit for something that possibly wasn't even used. But the v tuber kinda dug themselves into the ass HOLE. It could have all been simple or not even been brought up. Besides the payment which they should have gone after the actual person that was supposed to pay. And the v tuber could have easily said, "look I gave the same prompts/references to other artists so of course the results will be similar." Then provided proof. But I just really hate all the bs "evidence" people try to use that is flawed at best and completely misrepresented at worst.
Your model is so cute aaaaaaaaa!!! I love it!
tbh i still do believe Finnya or whoever did Finnya's design traced it. I think the sketch is only different because it was shortened and THEN traced upon, so Melusine adjusted it to better show the similarities. The face and boobs line up too perfectly to not be traced.
ps- please note this is my personal opinion, i may be wrong, i just wanna share my pov
I think it was more heavily inspired than traced but yeah they still took parts of it im on the artists side here
lol its kinda funny seeing ppl be wrong here😭
Pippa in Gurasuit is based!
Finnya's giving "I'm the victim and anyone who doesn't believe me just doesn't want to see me happy" energy.
idk what to believe but Finnya is kinda v unsympathetic to me
why does she have to be sympathetic to someone who accused her of stealing?
hiii random japanese person over here^^ just wanted to let you know that the two japanese characters next to Yuu's name literally just says 'Yuu' and means nothing important lmao. also ahoge is pronounced ah-hoh-geh ('stupid person' in japanese is 'aho' and 'ge' is hair so its used often for the design of goofy characters to make them seem more approachable and well, stupid lmao) 👍sorry if im being annoying (erm aktually moment T_T) and thank u for ur lovely vtuber drama content !!
I wonder who is right or not. I’m still new as an artist, so i don’t really understand much about it ❤ watching these videos help with tips on bodies and stuff. I’m working on my new oc at the moment. I hope this stuff never happens to me D:
The artist who accused Finnya of copying is absolutely NOT in the right. Altering your sketch to claim that it was traced is legit some of the scummiest behavior I've ever seen in the art community.
@@MLPRainySky02312 Oh wow. i could understand how the real artist felt about it getting traced. its unacceptable and people should not do it at all
Your hair is so gorgeous Kat I love your videos
Been waiting for your view on this! Love the video
She “graduated” then came back a week later just saying
I am always suspicious of someone who starts saying that an accusation is being made of them out of jealousy. This is the first time ever in my life that I feel that they might have actually been right.
i've been considering if i want to do vtuber character designs to expand my illustration portfolio and practice Live2d as my friends convince me. But with how hostile the community is getting along with rampant theft and drama, i'll hold the idea on the shelf for my peace of mind
I keep thinking these videos are Mujin's because of the thumbnails
I first responded to Melusine saying that's crazy but and then finnya replied to me and I got so confused then after the Vtuber drama kept going it was more of a "he said she said" moment then I was more confused so I just walked off of it.
i believe going around and making artist make sketches for you without any money or credit is absolutely scammy af
tho that might be that vtubers brothers fault, it still doesnt make her case any better when each time someone questions her she either copy paste the same thing over and over again or claims that the people questioning her are stupid and goes full on victim mentallity, its just not a good look
Finnya though in the right, definitely showed their true colors of how nasty they are tbh? Who talks like that?
Alcohol. She was a bit tipsy when all of this went down, so she wasn't really rational.
She was tired and had basically just gotten home from the bar, plus this just happened out the blue and was targeted towards her. She’s a wonderful person to talk to, she’s everything but mean
YESSSSS MORE VTUBER ART DRAMA!!!! I loveeeeee it!❤❤❤❤
😂😂 at this point I ignore them on twitter in fact I got 2 trying to force me to buy their works when I told them no thanks I draw my own then they wanna criticize me when their samples are obviously generated by an app my husband used for our Xbox icons. And copied works from another person.
There are so many same looking vtubers that Im pretty sure Ive been confused with 3 other vtuber to be ironmouse
If I was accused by something and it gets blown out, Id be an asshole too.
This honestly sucks, im glad finniya was able to clear the air and its deinfietly not a cute look to liquify your own art to put her on blast
I have one question... How is this very specific Chinese character neck tattoo on the, allegedly, original Melusine sketch but also in the references that Finnya sent over to her artists? It's there even in the WIP designs. Obviously they decided to not go with it in the end, but I find it interesting that this small detail is there for both sides? Or did I get confused along the way?
The stretching and adjusting the sketch later is suspicious too. I have no clue who any of the people related to this situation are. Just... a thought.
Hello it was a reference sent to everyone! It's because I wanted it to have a bit of >me< in it and I have this specific tattoo, when the steps of my design progess are shown you will see initially it's there but removed because it means rabbit actually and looked a bit funny on a shark haha
@@FinnyaVT Thanks for telling me! What confused me is how the other person knew to include the tattoo if they were never commissioned. But if the references were freely shared around and perhaps visible on your discord channel then it all checks out. And yes, I could see why having bunny tattoo would seem a bit of a mismatch with being a shark. Maybe if you get a toggle with elongated bunny ears in the future you could add that in as well. 👍
@yushik0u ohh that's actually so cute idea! A bunny toggle! It's my first vtuber model and I'm excited to upgrades I can do in the future
@@FinnyaVT While I made my own from art to rigging I get the excitement of getting your own. Sea bunnies also exist, so maybe your bunny dreams being mixed with sharkiness aren't that farfetched after all~ Good luck with your vtubing!
@@yushik0uthankyou so much for your kind words of encouraging!!! I didn't know seabunnies existed thankyou for telling me !! 😭 It's a possibility!
Something not necessarily related to this incident confuses me. Finnya mentionned jealousy for her success at 6k, but later mentions she didn't even stream once yet.
I'm not too familiar with the Vtuber scene, but how can one become successful before even starting? Is it like Tiktok and Twitter pre-hyping?
Wait, I'm confused... at 49:29 it is a video from FinnyaVT opening the psd sketch that Melusine sent... Is that her discord account? She was claiming she didn't commission Melusine at all. How does she have access to their DMs if she didn't commission Melusine?? This whole thing has been hurting my brain. (Also I'm not saying either is in the wrong, I'm just genuinely confused with that video FinnyaVT posted)
she stated that she got access to the account to record the screen recording of her opening the file :o
@@katliente Ohh okay, I guess that makes sense?
@@katlientethat’s such a blatant lie. She IS Yu. Look at 43:28
@@Nyomaano, you're a blatant lie. You can get your friends log in info you know, it's SO OBVIOUS. Your stupidity is showing .
So why did the Melusine do this, for clout? Or did she just dislike her or felt jealous?
dude why is everyone giving the vtuber the reason? the design matches the artist's drawing's proportion and shapes to a T when overlapped. Two artists can come up with the same concept but they're NOT gonna be executed in the same way but the proportions are a HUGE coincidence and it doesn't help how overly defensive the vtuber is acting
I just can’t stand how Finnya is disregarding the claims-it kind of reminds me of Owoneko.
This whole bs has confused me watched full video can someone explain ending a bit more
Nvm did digging figured out where I land in this and Melusine posted new video on her twitter with more screenshots and info
I'm mostly just confused why finyan didn't drop the dms people were asking for from the very start, that would have cleared stuff up immediately? Instead she had to reply so agressively to everyone so people got even more sus of her lol
the only similarities that they have is that they are both FISH! lmao!!
Oh shoot, you missed the part where she lost the 6k followers she had and then botted it back up to 6k with crypto bots. I was hoping you'd talk about that lol.
I don't like Shylily or anyone else involved but honestly people just need to be creative. Obviously some models will be similar since there's only so many concepts but stop riding design trends like the sea creatures with the markings and such for example. Or at least really make it your own.
This. How about making atleast different kind of ears? Like if it's have to be fin, there's a plenty of choises to choose from, like a seahorse for example. Or how about not those claw type markings, make your character have spots or something? Like I'm not fan of Shylily either, but clearly other people just want to ride with her vtuber design and make it as their own with few twists. And it's always the same tail, hair, ear, markings, bodytype combo. The lack of the creativity just baffels me.
THE QUEEN HAS POSTED!!
Personally, I kind of think Melu didn't squish down the sketch to be purposefully deceitful, but more so to see if the sketch was altered in that way before (potential) tracing. A lot of times people will squish and deform the original art before tracing to try to 'hide' it better, but it can still be seen if you squish it to fit. I don't reeeeally lean on thinking it was traced or stolen, but Finnya's attitude was so appalling the entire time I have no want to back her up either. 💀 She had absolutely no desire to figure out what was happening or why the Artist felt that way and just jumped straight to "ew hater you're jealous of me" (she also?? weirdly lied about blocking Melu?? despite her having screenshots of it??).
31:42 mispronounced my discord name but that’s not unexpected lmao