Is Sukuna Ruining Jujutsu Kaisen?
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2024
- Sukuna has been going crazy in the manga and it has infuriated fans. What’s the problem? Let’s find out in today’s video. Subscribe!
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hmmm sukuna glaze video is calling me🤔
It's not Glazing if it's facts
What can i say. Sukuna slams
Ngl I thought you were gonna come out here and just say cope but you actually discussed the topic
Yes that hakari glaze video was uncalled for atleast do Sukuna first
I’m just waiting for the yuji awakening
When you create an implausible character, you’re asking for them to be defeated in an implausible fashion.
Kusakabe boutta hollow green his ass 😭
This! Sakanas loss is going to be the dumbest shit in the history of Manga. Ibet that niqqa will just give up.
Quote me on this.
This happened with demon slayer and ruined the ending for a lot of people
It was not an implausible fashion though...maybe you could argue kokushibo was too strong and got defeated by plot
But the muzan one is a terrific plan ( albeit very underdeveloped) although they did hint a bit with Tamayo saying multiple times she's on the verge of creating a poison that turns demons back to humans and how shinobu s*icided herself against douma @@corbis7765
@@corbis7765that was pretty awful.. just random slashes being drawn for chapters😂
Gege: I Hate Gojo, he's too strong
Gege when writing Sukuna Kaisen: 🧑🦯🧑🦯
hes the main villain
the heroes having to extreme diff a villain is not a new concept
stories thrive on having problems, problems which eventually the main character resolves
gojo was made so powerful that he takes away the problem
gojo is an issue
@@Am-fp7pnThat is true, but if the villain is too strong it risks breaking the narrative by making the only way the heroes could ever win to be complete bs.
Viallins like Madara that where so well executed until the last stretch where the writer basically wrote themselves into a corner and had to take him out with plot, a bunch of end game villains do suffer from it, but as it stands JJK might become the worst case the rate things are going (the power being relative to the verse and all)
@@Am-fp7pn I think for me it took a lot of personal courage to admit that post Shibuya, JJK just has really bad writing. Unless the Manga ends with Sukuna winning and everyone else is dead, there is no way for it to recover. Even with an Aisen level plot armor from Geto coming to save the day, there is no way to recover from this off kilt power scaling we got from the culling games
@@Am-fp7pnyea but tbh the hero’s haven’t really taken any significant Ws and keep getting dragged by villains
@@Am-fp7pnan issue gege created.
Sukuna is a Shonen Protagonist that went "fuck it we evil now"
Basically
The shinjuku showdown shouldve been called sukuna flex showdown
@@pbsuitecrazy isn't it we have been only read to see sukuna clapping everybody for almost 40 chapters
If he wins i'm not gonna be surprised but at least he should be drawn to his limits, but the not going all out bullshit is ruining it all
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Sukuna ruining JJK ❌️
GeGe ruining JJK ✅️
listen, its not that Gojo dies, it is HOW he dies. It's lazy writing. Sorry but Gege hating Gojo is not an excuse for how he killed him.
I agree wholeheartedly, same with Higuruma
Exactly. 100% fact.
Yeah i agree
peak dogshit, gege don't think about this
JJK is falling into the same pit Akame Ga Kill did. Authors sometimes think that killing off more and more characters equals a better more emotion filled story. Issue is that if you yourself as an author are just casually throwing death around, why should i or anyone else take it seriously? Theres a lot to gain from good character deaths but killing off a character must be handled with extreme care and when its not the value of killing off characters severely drops exponentially until people just dont care anymore. I dont get attached to any JJK characters and when they die all i think is "Welp, it was expected, anyways moving on". Gege killing characters isn't impactful in any way whatsoever and only serves to further diminish the interesting roster of characters which worsens the series significantly. It's gotten so laughably bad that i wouldn't even care or be surprised if the damn MC dies. In every other Shonen the MC dying would turn the fanbase upside down. Naruto, Luffy, Ichigo, Natsu, Gon, Saitama, Deku etc. but in JJK? Who cares? Im sure some will but nowhere near to the extent of other anime's. That's a massive problem.
Who's even gonna be left after this arc? Restless you said its about the new generation and they have to be the ones to take down Sukuna..... Bro what generation? Who's even left? Yuji? Maki maybe if she doesn't die in the next chapter. Miwa? Are these the people that are supposed to take down the person Satoru Gojo cant? And how would they even grow that strong in such a short amount of time compared to Sukuna? Gege basically made the same mistake Kishimoto did with Madara. He's gonna have to whip out the worlds largest asspull for Sukuna's defeat and its gonna ruin both Gojo and the entire ending of JJK as a whole. This series is so quickly going downhill. It started off as a 9/10 in S1, went down to 8/10 in S2 for me and if you delve into the manga its like a 5/10 and only getting worse as it goes on.
At this point its nothing more than some cheap "shock" value. Just imagine in the future, anime-onlys watching like 14 characters dying within a few episodes. That's how a jjk anime adaptation would end.
How tf did you have the exact same rating as me 💀
@@marshyboy4637 idk tbh, i thought my take would be more of a hot one lol
@@xdrago5602 Tbf, I see next to no ppl sharing this opinion
@@marshyboy4637 Yea it might be too early for other JJK fans to take this stance. To be fair i only recently got this take after realizing how little of the cast is left and how little i care for the remaining casts deaths if they were to die.
Although if you think about it via likes, a decent chunk of people seem to agree. Maybe they just aren't very vocal about it due to the latest S2 which has been hyped up by the entire world. I think some people dont have the courage to speak out about a series during a time where everyone's praising it as part of the next big 3.
Honestly they're all small details that the anime could iron out. I think the biggest thing that should be addressed is how sukuna did his first world slash. 1 arm and 1 mouth sounds hard to chant with
It will most likely be adressed in the manga
He did the same when he did it on Yuta. He only needs one mouth like everyone else and he uses one arm to point in a direction
I believe he probably used a binding vow.
I have a feeling he sacrificed mahoraga
Not only that but the world slash as has currently been fleshed out would never get past infinity, let alone Gojo being dumb enough to stand and watch as Sukuna attacked him
@@lxwkey67editorHe can't sacrifice something he's already in the process of losing/lost
If they don't kill Sukuna quickly I might have to intervene.
After you get killed by his Heian era technique I will jump in after 😭
Please....my domain expansion will smoke Sukuna
@@YJSho_Nuff_
But what about his anti @YJSho_Nuff_ technique,he hasn't used that one since hein era
@@akhandtripathipyz9888 I'm not afraid 😂
My dawg solos (pfp)
Gege lowkey tryna convince his readers that Sukuna is the MC and the rest of the cast is the peanut gallery lol
Personally, i have no problem with sukuna winning. I just dont like the whole "holding back" BS cause he doesn't feel like his holding back. Also, i want their attacks to actually be doing something like actually leaving damage. Otherwise, they died for nothing. And lastly, let the main character shine, yuji needs to beat sukuna at the end even if he dies, for all the shit he put him through.
Ppl are not mad that Sukuna is winning, a lot of it’s the how. For instance most Gojo fans like myself knew he had to lose there. But he was essentially off screened when Gege needed him to be. Mahoraga already adapted but proceeded to adapt a second time? So Sukuna could model that version of adaptation? Sorry that whole thing sounds like bs Gege made up cuz he had to. Then Kashimo’s whole hype seemed pointless, Higuruma wasn’t so bad, walking through JL is pretty iffy, but to find out in the recent chapter after all of their efforts Sukuna isn’t taking the fight seriously. It shits on everything that has happened. This last chapter was the last straw for a lot of ppl
This. This is why I stopped reading Jjk. It's pointless. People struggling for justice and getting washed because gege has a diamond hard on for sakana. It's lame writing.
May I just add that,
1. World slash as currently fleshed out would never make it past infinity.
For it to work it would need to be instantaneous, which we though it was after 236 and that was fine, but now we see it's slow enough for even Maki to dodge. Something that slow heck even if it moves at light speed and cutting reality would never cover the infinite space made by infinity.
It's like asking someone to use a slashing attack to cut an apple on the far side of the universe, even if the attack can cut reality unless it's instantaneous in speed that attack like many of the ones we've seen stopped by infinity would also ultimately suffer the same fate.
Gojo asspulled techniques the whole time during that fight.
All of sudden Gojo can use RCT to heal his CT? All of sudden he can use purple like a bomb? Afterimages?
Sukuna literally explained how mahoraga adapts at the end of the fight. Once it adapts, it never stops adapting. You gojo fanboys were just reading gojo kaisen instead jujutsu kaisen.
@@slayed9602 Wow Gojo used rct to heal a part of his brain that's incharge of burnt out c.t, what an asspull.
It's cleared explained that hp when no launched degrades immediately. In real life we already have particles that when launched also exist longer as their times passes slower due to relativity how's it hard to understand that imaginary mass would react the same.
Sukunas ws is only a dumb asspull as been written now.
Gojo infinity is so op as everything that travels through space is subjected to travelling through infinite space to reach him, ws also travels through real space only difference is it destroys all the space it traverses, with how infinity works unless its instantaneous, which would allow it to pass through infinity and destroy it without a problem it bypassing infinity is an asspull.
Bc does it well Yami has a similar attack but dante can bend space so the attack doesn't hit as it dimension slash also travel trough space which gravity magic can play around with.
Gege could have made it instant and there'd be no issue other than the writing hole he'd have put himself in.
@@slayed9602 Nah that wasn't an asspull from Gojo.
He healed the part of his brain that stops functioning from ct burn out and is in charge of CTs(but that is actually dangerous and risky to do). If that is an asspull then Sukuna did an asspull twice because he tried the same thing actively during the fight and had to use RCT on his brain.
Reading comprehension curse at it again. In theory it actually makes sense.
Tbh in my opinion it's how it's was executed especially the gojo world cut moment like they didn't even show it
"cutting through reality" itself just seemed like lazy writing. Would've made more sense to force him into a situation where he couldn't use infinity
It's not really lazy when that technique has been built up during that entire fight.@@elgatorado4907
@@elgatorado4907
When you put it like that, sure, but it was established before that Sukuna was learning from Mahoraga, whos ability is, lets not forget, adapting to anything and everything.
@@joshacd150adapting to infinity shouldn’t progress as “okay i turned off the infinity” to “so i targeted space itself and the world to bypass the infinity”
@@afewthreads1460
Mahoraga cut the world also tho
The only one simplifying anything are the people saying that we take issue with sakuna winning the problem is how he's winning how literally everything to Stacked against him we know abilities that should be working against him but he's just keeping it pushing like nothing's happening
His technique output is lower to the point that multiple people can take his attacks , he also just ignores having his soul being hit, Jacob's Ladder conveniently stops, he still has his technique but he doesn't even need that to take the monkey who clearly was supposed to have comparable physical stats to him if not higher but he one shot her
Yeah that's a problem, nobody's ever argued nobody's ever argued that it should be easy but he should have gotten dragged down to the level of each of his opponents to the point where it's getting harder and harder he should not be at his post Gojo Peak about to go against Kusakabe
its like one piece "zoro moment" where he says "nothing happend". but here sukuna is saying this while smiling🤣🤣
I feel like Sukuna isn't too strong, but the universe works against the heroes in boring ways
Gojo hits Hollow Purple, Sukuna's new technique finished cooking, Gojo gets clapped
Kashimo pulls up with his activated technique, Sukuna regenerates, Kashimo gets clapped
Higaruma and Yuji pull up with a plan, plan works! It targets the cursed tool, Higaruma gets clapped
Higaruma has a last ditch Hail Mary, he dies too early, Sukuna lives
Yuta and Yuji have a plan, the plan works! Megumi is depressed, Yuta gets clapped
Maki pulls up with some game, Sukuna gets a little too excited, Maki gets black flashed
It makes sense for Sukuna to wipe the map, but why does it gotta feel so undercooked compared to earlier fights?
Exactly, it just isn’t even hype anymore. It’s just counting how many pages till they get folded in the most underwhelming way possible.
“The universe works against the heroes in boring ways” is another way of saying “Gege loves Sukuna more than the rest of the cast”
@@Tacit_helmet i already bet with someone that Kusakabe will only last around 15-20 panels, its gotten to this point by now.
@@imaginaryking5276 I wouldn't say that. Gege lets the heroes ragdoll Sukuna over and over again, and their plans have always gone smoothly until the "the universe said no" moment.
I think if Gege put a little more foundation in these exchanges, it wouldn't feel so shit. As it is, even when the explanation makes technical sense, it's frustrating when perfectly played plans fail because the universe says "Nah, He'd Win"
@@Tacit_helmetyeah the author screwed up. Should’ve had Gojo go last so no one would feel this way. The Gojo fight hyped up everyone too much and then rest is eh
I’m ngl in my opinion sukuna was never an interesting villain to me I thought it would of be a lot cooler if sukuna and gojo end up dying either in the battle or right after and you have kenjaku and the merger as the final villain for the newer generation
Yeah I'm pretty bummed by his decision of having Sukuna as the final villain instead of Kenjaku. Kenny actually plans shit and can be unpredictable while Sukuna is a brute who only wants to kill everyone.
I mean kenjaku has to plan things precisely because he's not the strongest. If your as strong sukuna, you bend the world to your will. Granted sukuna only just recently show insight to what his ambitions are so I can understand what you mean
Mahito and Kenjaku were much better villains than Sukuna
@@dalton2845not at all sukuna is highly intelligent and thinks several steps ahead he’s just not as scientifically curious as kenjaku
@@sephinatorrno
I thought all the specials would be jumping on Sukuna but it's a Tekken 1v1 ass "Get ready for the next battle" cycle.
LMFAOOOOOOO THIS MADE ME LAUGH
XDD
Nah but Katakuri sure is ruining your head. (Rent free)
Real 🤣🤣
Not his fault Katakuri is a bum
will never understand how katakuri has glazers 😭🙏
i haven’t talked about that person in so long lmfaoooo this is a one sided beef
Miguel is the new challenge for the Sukuna cycle @@RestlessGamblrr
The biggest problem started with Gojo's death which came out of the blue and even Gege himself said he forgot to draw a chapter on how Sukuna pulled off the world slash on Gojo. To me it just says Gege is rushing to get this series done and over with small details be damned which end up hurting the fights we have been getting so far on what should have been top tier.
Higaruma DE only taking away Sukuna's cursed tool was a bs plot convenience to hype up drama and tension in the story. Yuta getting axed by the world slash didn't quite bother me since Yuji soul punched Sukuna to wake Megumi up and maybe there could have been a moment where Yuta and Rika relaxed a little thinking Sukuna's CE was down and Yuji connected to Megumi but the Sukuna was able to pull away his arm while chanting and pull off the world slash. Maki put up a decent fight but it was expected she would get bodied. We now got our man Kusakabe who seems to be great at Domain Amplification but with no CT and Yuji might be showing up next chapter for round 3 with Sukuna I'm not expecting much this week.
Lmao, forgetting to draw a chapter was such an obvious joke to fcuk with the fans.
Gege has done it multiple times to troll fans especially when it comes to gojo.
Author is a joke.
I completely agree. Most fights after gojo’s death have been too similar. Character steps up to sukuna then dies 1-2 chapters later plus 2 week breaks. I don’t mind characters dying I would like the story to progress tho.
This fight just feels like everyone is taking turns against Sukuna
This is jump jutsu kaisen, why is everyone taking 1 v 1s with him? I just think the fight would be better if everyone fought him at the same time, it would atleast fit better with the rest of the fights in the series
I think for me it’s not really like that he’s winning but more how he’s winning. When a domain conveniently doesn’t take away his technique and megumi sells a win and when Jacob’s ladder doesn’t neg him when it was cooking him before it feels cheap
No it fucking doesn’t.
He would have won without his CT either way
Jacobs ladder didn’t even half kill him last time, when his foundation was poor. Why would it do any real damage against a Sukuna who has taken full root in megumi? Oh right, it wouldn’t.
Get some original fucking bait and stop getting your opinions from Redditors.
@@r.k845facts the complaining is getting old. Gojo fans will never get over it.
@@phylocybe_ So it’s all Gojo fans that are complaining?
@@Jsipki265 definitely not all, but the majority of the loud ones are absolutely just salty. It was those exact same people that bitched the loudest during the culling games before gojo was unsealed. they went 50 chapters without their blue eyed king and lost their shit.
@@phylocybe_ I’m not a gojo fan but nice try I guess
I think the problem is that power scaling has kinda died in this series. It's basically DBZ or end of Bleach. It is basically whatever Gege wants to work and what doesn't. At least Kubo can write better characters. Kenjaku dying was the Naruto War arc moment for me. I just want this shit to end.
you're being so disingenuous, gege did not kill kenjaku at a random moment without any real logic because he couldn't kill madara by normal means, kenjaku died because of takaba and yuta combined efforts, jujutsu sorceres are con artists, kenjaku's death wasn't a plot hole or non sense, it made alot of sense and was actually smart, still they had to use the most op hax from the series combined with the second strongest sorcerer from the current days and at the end they weren't even able to stop kenjaku's merger, because he had enough time to give the merger "control" to megumi/sukuna, his objective was just one, and he basically acomplished it on his mind, not to say that you saying powe scalling is dead makes a total of 0 sense, even more when you're talking about power scalling in a series to equal to hunter x hunter, it's no only about power, sometimes it's about being smart, and sukuna is not only the smartest and most knowledgeable sorcerer, but also the one with the most amount of cursed energy and the second most proeficient is cursed energy usage, he IS a beast and this never broke the power scaling, he and gojo were always cellings of the verse and way above everyone else, just like meruem would easily solo almost any hxh character
@jcplays1749 I never said Kenjaku's death didn't make sense. I know why he died. I think he was completely wasted. We could have had a lot of cool moments and exposition. Maybe he betrays Sukuna or vice versa. When I compared it to the Naruto War arc I mean that I have started to lose interest. Power scaling begins to fall apart. One plot hole/bs ability after another.
You are wrong. Sukuna has the largest amount of curse energy. He has twice the amount Yuta has. Gogo has been stated to 6 less than Yuta. I much rather prefer HxH over JJK as a power system.
Lastly, I am not sure if English is your first language if it is, please learn to use periods. It wasn't my first language so if you are still learning disregard this
@@crisgon9552 Okay bro, I was just casually typing before sleeping. Yes english is not my first language.
I accidentally typed Gojo instead of Sukuna, I meant that Sukuna was the smartest and most knowledgeable, etc. Sorry about that.
I also agree that in fact Kenjaku's death fealt a little unsatisfying. But by no means it breaks the story for me, it is Gege's vision after all. not to mention that this was always somewhat of a "problem" about JJK overall, ever since shibuya no character is safe from the possibility of death and while I agree that this might anger or anoy some people, I do believe this is 100% intentional. The point is that in the jujutsu world no character is free from a brutal and unsatisfying death. If you don't like this, it's fair, but it's not a writing problem or waste of potential. It's simply a false expectation that JJK itself never indulged in.
Just as I stated, I don't think JJK's power system is falling apart whatsoever. and if you don't mind I'd be glad to read what you even mean when stating this. I also prefer HxH alot when in comparassion to JJK. I used it simply because JJK is heavily influenced by HxH view of "power scalling". don't get me wrong, I think JJK has it's flaws when it comes to power scaling, but it's not even close to DBZ or Bleach. This is just nonsense for me.
“ it’s basically DBZ or end of Bleach “ lol have you watched either of those anime? Sincerely doubt it if you are comparing it to JJK, in JJK almost everything is compared and there barely are many plot holes compared to those other 2, especially in terms of power scaling.
Whike Kenjaku’s death might have not have been satisfying I believe he totally and comprehensively served his purpose, dude’s only focus was chaos and he caused it without doubt. So I disagree that “ Kenjaku’s death was completely wasted “. He legit did everything he set out to do, and did it lol.
Either you were a Kenjaku glazer and/or wanted to see an all out battle revolving around Kenjaku cuz in no way in hell is that a “ Naruto War Arc “ moment where it debatably stains the rest of the show. Literally mostly no one cares that he died, maybe the way he dies could have been flashier but who tf cares that deeply?
Also, fuck off if you’re being a grammar police in the comments of a JJK video.
@@MrSemih23 Kenjaku is kore intrinsically connected to yuji itadori, but they have 0 real interaction despite the fact he gave the mc life and is the reason why he is the way he is in the first place. We dont know how he took over yujis mom, why he went after this family in the first place etc. Unless i could be forgetting something.
The writing definitely feels like it's falling off hard. Sukuna just 1vAll'd the entire cast, and then we're narratively told that he's not taking the fight seriously. I don't see a satisfying way to make sukuna lose at this point.
Facts. Sakana is boring and it's very implausible that he's still winning. Gege is playing favorites.
@@da_001And yet gege hated Gojo because he’s “too strong”.
@@da_001boring? So how about saitama who can literally one shot any monster yet no one call him boring is just you problem 😂
@@xiongbreezeWell for starters, Saitama is an interesting character
@@xiongbreezewell for starter, Saitama is an actual interesting character unlike sukuna who is all style with no substance. 😅
Like there literally is nothing going on with his character except he loves to fight and wants to kill everyone for no reason ? I guess…. I don’t even know since he is barely a character but rather action figure MCs have to defeat.
Itadori Yuji is a side character in his own series
No. He ain't
True😂😂😂😂
Id say gege is not sukuna. Kashimo frankly should’ve speed blitzed him and done some damage to soften him up for the cast, yuta/yuji did solid, maki got the kashimo treatment and packed up quickly because sukuna was excited. Gege is just wasting the big hitters to make sukuna look strong. Are we supposed to believe yuji magically wins after everyone else did nothing?
What gets on my nerves is how long its taking for him to show everything. He hasn't used OPEN yet, HOW!? its like 30 ch of fighting already, also mf stopped using 10 shadows!? WHY!?
*Because Daddyraga got Evaporated into Nothingness by Gojo's Hollow Purple 200%*
@@_YashSawantnot how it works
I personally haven't heard any complaints about Sukuna being able to defeat any to a certain extent (Some, but only because of how he won)... The problem is Sukuna was stated to still be holding back (No, Fuga possibly wouldn't have mattered like that in the Gojo fight). Statements in JJK are at time unclear. Also... remember MOST of the cast was killed or out of commission.
I feel like the entire plot is about him. Yuji, Megumi, Kenjaku, Gojo, Kashimo, Jogo, Hiromi all exsist but mostly to further Sukuna. I think Gege came up with Sukuna and wrote a story around him. Sukuna was a sick part of the story, however it's clear that he's the be all end all and the entirety of Jjk revolves around him. But his Philosophy isnt that interesting he's just the big bad to fight at the end of the series and Gege has made him and Gojo way too strong to the point that Gojo almost won, but Sukuna way stronger in the process. This is insanely flawed, yeah the simple cycle of Sukuna has ruled the series the last 40 chapter's. But looking back Yuji exsists to give him a vessal, Megumi and Mahoraga exsist for him to take over to kill Gojo, Megumi's sister was a vessal for Yoruzo to glaze him, Jogo showed Gojo's domain off but ultimately showed how strong 15 finger Sukuna was and his afterlife talks, Kashimo exsisted to show how strong true form was and his true philosophy, Kenjaku pushed the plot forward a lot but ultimately he exsisted to put Sukuna in the modern era, give him the merger and make him the final boss, so on and so forth.
All this is happened because Sukuna is so strong and loves fighting. If Sukuna wins, he just wins and starts eating people or whatever, I already said that his philosophy is boring and he's so strong that no one without serious buff could prove him wrong. It feels hollow, like he's from a better anime and the plot serves to just have him around. He's not threatening anymore and he's not interesting. He definitely was, but the plot had shown that he can do anything and held us there for so long that its almost obvious that Gege wants it to feel hopeless. He's the reason why the plot exsists and you can't even talk about JJK without it sounding like Sukuna, Sukuna, Sukuna, Sukuna at this point. The series has had so many interesting characters, but noe it's all about him and looking back it always has.
Nice essay. Sukuna will win and you will read it
You’re not wrong. I guess that he’s the only one with a ch named after him for a reason. Gege loves this man.
The problem I had was with Sukuna having a puncured/cut up heart and outclassing Maki, someone who should be one of the strongest and fastest physical fighters right now. The fact that being stabbed by the Soul-split-Katana did so little against him was crazy. Also blocking SSK was a little too much. Now it´s just some random sword.
I am still somewhat salty he oneshot Maki after being so "weakened"... like what the eff bro 💀
The problem I have with sukuna is how hes winning I don’t think anyone is expecting sukuna to lose to ppl like yuta but the way he wins is bad nd the whole situation is starting to look like the mardra situation or yhwach situation
They finna pull a GER on Sukuna watch
I feel like what's shinjuku showdown is missing along with EVERY ANIME GAUNTLET everrr is rhe fact it fails to show properly sukuna is wasting away and growing weaker , this same thing happened with kaido - you literally dont get a hint hes growing weary until gear 5 comes down
I still think the best " shounen esque" gauntlet villain defeat ever written is voldemorts defeat ( in the books) as his horcruxes are getting killed he's growing weaker and weaker and you actually get to realize that because by the end he's on par with harry JUST harry , harry potter also kept up the stakes properly despite an ever growing weaker villain by using solid logic that the heroes are growing tired and weaker from the fight too so that's why mcgonangall although much stronger than harry herself has spent her energy fighting and cant one shot voldemort at his lowest
Its just what shounen is missing , shinjuku showdown HAS THIS very problem, you can actually show the villain getting weaker while maintaining stakes
This is something even the lackluster muzan fight got right - a true gauntlet style death match!
I wiil say for the maki fight. Sukuna, being able to grab and block Maki's weapon, was strange since, at least to my understanding, he shouldn't be able to do that.
You missed the part where he did the same thing against Yuta's katana, using micro cleaves.
@@mylotundinhojjk fans just don’t read apparently
@@CertainlyCynical lol
I better see him do it with his forearm in the anime cause he only ever did it wit his hands so him being able to chain his entire forearm……nahh asss pull
@SebThaGoat it's complete ass pull. What is stopping him from using that all the time? Why not against the Executioner blade? Plot armor
Sukuna boutta be cooked when the Sheisty Sorceror comes back and pulls out the Ryu Glock
Ruining jjk? No, absolutely not. Killing jjk's roster? Yes, absolutely.
True cuz the whole plot of jjk Is about killing the roster soooo yeah
jjk feels like it just fell tf off after gojo vs sukuna
Is solely depends on how gege writes the rest of the manga, because I am 90% sure that Sukuna will be defeated because there is a reason why Yuji is still alive, Yuji has been through many near death scenarios and he is still standing and Kenjaku mentioned Yuji will be catalyst for the fututre, there is a reason why Yuta, Yuji, Maki, and so on are also still alive, Sukuna will be defeated.
Kinda like how Gyutaro and Daki seemed to had won only for the Demon Slayer to come back stronger
Or like how Bill Cipher literally being a Complex multiversal being defeated by powerless humans
Will it be a Plot twist, Asspull, Giga brain writing who knows?
@@abdalmuhsin393 thats cuz it did lol
@@HELLISH43exactly
My problem with Sukuna is the fact that he is too important to kill off. Let me explain, i have no clue why people legitimately belived that Gojo, Higuruma, Yuta, Kashimo or Maki were going to kill sukuna because he comes with too many unanswered questions.
What was the black box? Why did Sukuna think the black box was well known? Why was Sukuna unwanted? What's the deal with his backstory? How did he end up this way? How did Sukuna obtain this philosophy? What's his actual cursed technique (alluding to what he said to jogo about not being cheap and revealing his technique)? Where is the spear he had in the volume covers and the flashbacks in the beginning of the story? How was he able to turn his fingers into cursed objects?
There are so many questions Sukuna comes with and a lot of them he has to be alive in order for them to be answered. The fact that none of these questions have been answered at all pretty much means Sukuna cannot be killed until he himself explains it or other characters somehow figure out the answers to them.
Well for the unwanted part he was either a twin like much like certain myths of sukuna from our world or he was a bastard child a child mad from an affair
And twin makes more sense since twins are looked down upon in jujutsu. Also the heian era was 1000 years ago I don't think the treated kids as nicely they do now (I mean just look at the zenin clan)
Also the finger thing was explained to be from kenjaku. He taught sukina how to do it then sukuna did it. It's just splitting his soul into his finger
@@theMemeDetective The thing is JJK isn't 1-1 with mythology so we don't know if that myth theory will even come into play when it comes to explaining Sukuna's backstory. He could have just been unwanted for being a death painting like Yuji or being evil as hell, we don't know until we find out.
The black box, if I remember correctly, was where Sukuna stored the cursed techniques that he had, and used the "fugo" to switch between them (like the cuts and the flame arrow, in the Jogo fight), and the reason he tought it was well known it's because in his time it actually was well known, and he also points out that since Jogo is a cursed spirit, not a sorcerer, he wouldn't know.
Also, the spear is one of the cursed tools he used in the Heian era that were either kept hidden, lost to time ir just broken with use during the time that it wasn't with Sukuna
I don’t think it’s because he’s the strongest I think it’s how sometimes it just seems random when things happen with him like getting hit by maximum Jacob’s ladder and it did nothing , the constant I’m not trying stuff this and that lol
Jacob's ladder isn't a instant damage move. Its more like a drain and kill overtime move.
@@rand12389that quite literally in story almost beat Sukuna done by a character who was weaker than yuta
@@rand12389 Angels CT worked instantaneously against Sukuna before and now apparently its a draining type of attack. That makes sense.
13:50 I think my issue is that Sukuna doesn’t seem any weaker after any of the fights except Gojo’s. If these fights helped break down and defeat Sukuna, I think people would be less upset.
Maybe Kashimo beats Sukuna’s electric tool. Higuruma confiscates *Cleave/Dismantle (instead of the tool… he really hasn’t used it since Gojo). Yuta helps Itadori punch Sukuna so Megumi wakes up and prevents Sukuna from using the 10 Shadows again, and helps sets up Maki to make Sukuna lose his heart. Hakari says they’re pushing Sukuna into a corner now that he has no cursed techniques* and Uraume says Sukuna still has “an ace up his sleeve”. It all in all makes it feel like it’s a team effort to “break down” Sukuna and take away his options. And at least in this scenario he’d be pushed into a corner.
Instead, it’s: Kashimo didn’t do anything to really hurt Sukuna. Higuruma took away a tool Sukuna barely used. Yuta set up Maki to take Sukuna’s heart... but both are KO’d, *Itadori is still healing,* and Uraume basically says Sukuna STILL isn’t even trying. Sukuna’s healing is slow… but only from the fight with GOJO, but now he lands a black flash on Maki, so his cursed energy is likely coming back and he’ll soon heal everything and be at full power again (like Gojo did). The only person left is KUSAKABE. So it doesn’t feel like Sukuna is in any danger or in a corner. It makes you second guess if Sukuna was trying at all in Gojo’s fight, even if we logically know he did.
Edits = *
jjk is getting boring now with sukuna and his power convenience at least switch over to the hakari fight for a while
The problem with Sukuna is the presentation,Jiren did the same thing Sukuna is doing and no one had an issue cause there was no doubt behind Jirens strength,Sukuna almost lost to Gojo,beat him off screen with an attack Gojo should've seen coming and since then has gotten lucky and had bs happen like the executioners blade bouncing off him and not killing him it feels like plot not like he's the strongest
What is so hard to understand that once Gojo destroyed Mahoraga he believed that Sukuna can't bypass his infinity anymore even if Gojo saw that Sukuna was about to Attack there was no way for Gojo to know that Sukuna can expand the target of Dismantle and bypass his Infinity it looked like a normal Dismantle to him and expected Infinity to protect him from that. Read the fight again everything made sense Angel literally said at the beginning of chapter 225 "if Sukuna finds a way aside from Domain Amplification to bypass Infinity Gojo will lose" I still can't believe people still don't get that Sukuna was putting himself in riskier situations on purpose by deactivating his Domain Amplification inside Gojos Domain to use Ten Shadows to put Mahoragas wheel on Megumis Soul so that Mahoraga can adapt to Gojos infinity which is why he got his ass whooped inside Gojos barrier because he can't use Domain Amplification and Ten Shadows at the same time. Sukuna outsmarted Gojo and defeated him that's it gojo put up a great fight but once Sukuna realized that he can expand the target of his Dismantle Gojos fate was sealed.
@ahmadadnan4773 Gojo had chances to kill Sukuna and chose not to to save Megumi,Sukuna didn't hold back shit the only moves he didn't use was shit that wouldn't have worked anyway,u say he held back so much then tell me why he's so screwed over by a fight that was apparently so easy that even now with his full manifestation he can't draw out all his power cause of tye number Gojo did on him,if he could've killed Gojo,he would've but he couldn't and the way he did doesn't make sense (referring to the way Gojo got hit not the attack itself the attack makes sense)
@huseyinakyol1310 Even if I say Gojo let himself get hit for whatever reason which JJK characters aren't stupid enough to do,doesn't change my point that the problem with Sukuna is the presentation,I don't believe he is the strongest nor do I believe he should still be alive even if he did beat Gojo fair and square cause the executioners blade should've ended him but just didn't for no reason and we see that Yuji did hit him with it before it disappeared,him beating Yuta is possible of course but the way he did it while pinned down,maimed and fresh out of a Jacob's ladder didn't make sense either which is why I say the issue is the presentation and I used Jiren as my example,he ran a similar gauntlet and came out on top and his strength is never questioned,Sukuna feels lucky,not strong
He never almost lost 😂
@snowbunnybreeder He almost lost to Gojo,he should've been killed by the executioners blade but it just bounced off him,he beat Yuta with a plot hole,nothing about this convinces me this mfer should still be alive,I'm not saying he can't beat any of these people it's just been executed poorly,like I 100% believe he could find ways out of these situations but the ways we were shown don't make sense aside from how he beat Gojo just now being explained
The issue becomes that after Gojo fails, Kashimo fails, Higuruma fails and yuta fails, all following this cycle, eventually it becomes frustrating instead of interesting.
13:52 - 14:05 couldn’t say it better myself.
jkk plotline has basically devolved to a cycle of new character getting hyped>gain momentum against sukuna>sukuna pulls a heaian era>sukuna wins>new character hype
nvm i watched the first minutes of the vid
I think my issue with it is right now jjk feels very light on substance. Its just fighting with no real themes or ideas behind it. Everyone is just throwing everything they have at sukuna and sukuna is handling it. Doesn't make me as a reader think much and I can't really engage with whats happening on a deeper level than what I can see on the surface. That's a way bigger problem than sukuna as a character.
I think sukuna as a character forces these interactions because the he himself isnt that interesting to begin unlike the more philosphically interesting mahito or Geto. If you wsnt another major villain comparison, I would say Madara gauntlet just about as hopeless, bit people love that character due to the level og depth he had within himself and the substance he brought out of other characters. Sukuna just being an evil menace doesn't do that so he has to rely on his charisma to be entertaining, but people are despising him due to his almost cheat level ability to get out of every situation easily
Personally the writing just seems inconsistent since the world slash was introduced.
Sukuna going back and forth from have close to zero curse energy back to he has the same amount as Yuta back to he is almost empty is just annoying.
Gege purposely off screened Gojo because it made so many people confused. Did Gojo see the world slash coming, why does Sukuna chant and use hand signs everytime for the world slash but had only one hand when he killed Gojo.
Gojo was too strong for the villains obviously but you don’t turn around and make your villian way stronger than that in my opinion cause now Sukuna has to win, there is no scenario where he loses.
Sukuna is mind-blowingly uninteresting, he's what I like to call anti Blackbeard. He has not only an anti attack for every attack in the series He's also the anti of what makes a villain good, He has no ambitions no goals in mind nothing except "I'm the strongest and I shall kill everyone" and he wins against everyone has an anti technique for every attack. OP for the sake of being OP atp. JJK peaked at Shibuya it's mid rn sadly no world building, no depth to any characters just fight after fight, and the worst part of it is when he finally is defeated it's going to be some asspull nonsense because of how strong Gege has made him and apparently he's still holding back 😂
I do not think it is always a bad thing to write a bad guy for the sake of evil. The problem I see is that EVERY single bad guy in jjk is written like this exept for Geto but Gege killed him before he did anything relevant
We know he is the strongest then why he is getting
powerups after powerups? What the team good
guys gonna do
Facts. It's too one sided
Nothing. Sukuna Is him
i feel like it could’ve just ended after sukuna gets all his fingers and kills gojo. then he ruins the world and kills everyone
I think the problem is that the manga is just repeating the same thing over and over again with him, character arrives, deals a big blow, gets defeated immediately (sometimes off screen):
*Sukuna defeats Gojo: Shocking, everyone was talking about JJK
*Sukuna defeats Kashimo in a similar way: At least for me it was hilarious, the fact that we had Jogo, Gojo and Kashimo afterlife reflections was just funny af
*Sukuna defeats Higuruma in a similar way: It's getting boring now
*Sukuna defeats Yuta in a similar way: Bruh
And I stopped there but I' m pretty sure Sukuna already defeated Maki by now and the next in line is gonna hop up to the fights just to be defeated, add to that the nonsense and boring Takaba vs Kenjaku (that had an unsatisfying and random ending) and the weird "I'm gonna teach you about LOVE Sukuna" narrative that Gege decided to add since Yoruzu; you lost my interest.
Sukuna feels so undeserving as the main antagonist. Dude is menace just to be a menace, but not in an entertaining way like Mahito. To me, it feels like he just came out of nowhere. Like sure, hes been there since day one, but the few actions he did make were so inconsequential until he just decides "OKAY, my turn!"
It also doesnt help that Kenjaku's big deal turned out to be "I just wanted to poke the world with a stick and see what happens" when Geto's big deal actually had some merit seeing the action the United States took in capturing Sorcerers. For a second I was like, damn, now that the cats out of the bag about Cursed Spirits thanks to Shibuya, and with other countries targeting Japan now to capture users to be basically energy slaves, could Geto have been low key right?!? Nah. Doesnt amount to anything.
I dont hate Sukuna, but i feel like Gege REALLY fumbled the driving forces in this story.
Sukuna is so strong that at this point when he lose or “if” that happens , if it isn’t done PERFECTLY and EXPLAINED then this Anime is Cooked maybe?
It's the writing bro. I'm sure everyone was ready for Sukuna to whip the whole roster. The issue is how. If Sukuna was struggling to develop like Mahito, the gauntlet would have been more meaningful. You would have had a settling up of "ultimate Sukuna" vs Yuji + Plot. But an already ultimate Sukuna holding back, robs the showdown in Shinjuku of any real tension. Plus it opens the door to contrived mechanisms of nerfing him.
With the point we’re at rn it def feels like we’re entering a break before round 2 and we’ll start seeing more interesting events play out it just seemed like Gege wanted to lay out all the cards first since having someone just simply show up and then win seems lame after all the effort everyone has put in
I personally don’t have a problem with how Sukuna is written cos it kinda feels like it’s meant to be this way where we’ve run through all the obvious options and rn nobody actually knows what’s going to happen which I think is best but readers seem to think they should always have a clue about what’s going to happen next and if they don’t they get anxious or bored and think the story sucks
That would make sense except that gege usually just ends up offing characters in some abrupt way like nobara, gojo, kenjaku. Wouldn't surprise me here its just really not fulfilling. I may be alone here but I hated how kenjaku got taken out. Avengers hulk handling.
@@oneman5753 i actually love how he went out because it perfectly aligned with his character. He said the only reason he was doing any of this was because it would be fun to see what happened and his entire last battle was just him having fun and that is his only goal in life
@@oneman5753 tbh out of all those Nobara is the only one I really have a problem with and that’s just cos she’s still in the air after so long but other than that kenny and gojo seemed fine to me I can see why people expect more from Kenny and I do too but doubt he’s still alive but there’s probs more to his plan he’s hiding
i think the problem is that the recent fights/events are too repetitive. like you said, it's a cycle. and it's just getting boring to read, even if it can make sense why it is like this. i want something new to happen, something that's not just : character appears > they show off > they die/are badly injured. i don't know what that 'something new' should be really though, i'm puzzled in what direction gege wants the story to go. i still want to believe that he's cooking something, but tbh i'm losing hope
11:14. Better yet let's actually remove Sukuna's CT, force him to throw hands, and when Higgy dies, he gets his CT back. Retroactively explaining the Kamutoke incident doesn't make it any less convenient/plot amour for Sukuna
That's the thing. The reason I have no investment in the story is because I know whatever plan or powerup the characters get, the plot will just say Sukuna held back or had a new trick. They just hype up the next attack, and then Sukuna no sells it and wins. This is the Superman complaint people always have, what's the fun in a story where a character is untouchable. Apparently, it's okay as long as the broken character is the villain. I get it's hype to watch but you have to admit when it becomes that predictable you can see why people get annoyed by the way it's written. I expected him to kill Gojo, but the way things are stringing along can make the story a chore.
What's worse is that there's only two ways for this to basically end, Sukuna wins and we're supposed to see this as a subversion of usual shonen even though it's not that rare in stories. Or the heroes take Sukuna out in the most unsatisfying way.
But you made a good point about Sukuna's power and experience making sense compared to everyone else, it's just the fact that nothing is really showing any lasting damage or chipping away at him since whatever tool he loses doesn't matter when he reveals another power. Maybe it's less the character and the way jjk has turned into this 'Invest your stocks' meme where people only want to root for their favorite character to win instead of remembering the plot heavily reminds us we shouldn't want Sukuna or any villain to win.
Sukuna is not to strong its just that hes not getting any weaker if the students are meant to surpass gojo and sukuna they need a massive powerup some how or all the damage done to sukuna needs to start sticking if reduced output lower rct a removed heart no domain is not even causing him to sweat or even give the fight a little bit of effort i really dont have much stake in the fight since we know hes not trying its not always fun seeing gojo do the one sided beat down its not fun to see sukuna do it either without any way for the main cast and more importantly yuji to win.
The students are never going to surpass Gojo. Just cause Gojo said they would don't mean they will. Heck Gojo has the been wrong about more than half of the shit he's said in the series. The story has made it pretty apparent now that Sukuna and Gojo are on a lvl leagues above anybody else and its nowhere close. Even if they beat Sukuna, nobody is surpassing either of them.
@rand12389 the problem is someone is going to have to surpass their limits and at least get some where close to them to make it believable that sukuna is going down no amount of bodies thrown at him is going to make him weaker heck with the last chapter he's probably in better shape then he's been in since the start of the fight considering he hasn't felt any pressure to even open is black box.
@@rand12389Honnestly it is really easy to see Yuta surpasses them.
Hakari can perfectly have their level.
Yuji 's potentiel is unknown
@@ConstantinDOSSOU-vy1zo Yuta is the only one who has a chance remotely close. Yuta just admitted he would get low diffed in seconds if Sukuna was at full power. The narrative has made it pretty clear that Sukuna and Gojo are on a different lvl. We saw how good Yuta pared up with a weakened Sukuna even with Yuji's help. Hakari' is nowhere near. His jackpot ain't gonna save him if he gets hit by hollow purple or gets his get cleaved off.
The story so far has made it crystal clear that those 2 guys are on a whole different dimension. How many shit did Gojo and Sukuna pull off just in their fight where the spectator's were "like thats impossible to do". Yuta straight up admitted to being unable to do some of the feats in that fight. This is JJK. Traning doesn't matter all that much. All u can do with trainning is hone your physical body and ce control. 80% of what u can do are what u have since birth. U ain't gonna get powerup transformations in this system.
@@rand12389 You really underate Yuta and Hakari potential.
In the same age , Gojo is absolutely not better than current Yuta . And Yuta didn't need to be exceptionnel like Gojo in all. He just needs to improve his control on Rika to make a connexion of 1 hour , to have the level of Fight of Sukuna without cursed technique and involve his domain. And I don't even talk about the fact he can copy 10 shadows and construction or the world slash. His domain has the potential to become the best domain.
Gojo said Yuta could in his level before Yuta has technique like Jaccob 's ladder and many others.
The only person who said Yuta wouldn't be in Gojo's level was Kenjaku because he didn't know his power and look his end. Yuta can really become an absolute monster like Sukuna in the future
Hakari with Jackpot has a better regeneration than Sukuna and Gojo. Hollow purple wouldn't kill him. He is litteraly immortal. Also the potential of jackpot is ridiculously op. And Hakari didn't even have rct by himself.
Gojo is wright about the potential. He is perfectly wright about the 10 shadows power.
Second half of the video hit the nail on the head. I think most people that are getting sick of Sukuna's antics like me aren't necessarily dissatisfied with him winning on it's own. It's the way he's winning and more importantly, how he's getting around losing time and again that the issue comes up
well yeah but the main criticism is with the convenient ways sukuna wins not that he's winning
No because Kusikabe will cook him in one shot.
Cooked-akabe!
Wusakabe!!!
Nii what😂😂
He’s just trying to make sukuna lose in his mind with ANY way to dot hat
And sukuna is still cooking
@@Demon-5959 💀🔥 till him the goat still cooooooking🗿
I dont really agree with the Gojo part. Obviously he isnt dodgimg the slashes but as soon as he realizes the slashes can bypass infinity wouldnt you think that with his intelligence he should realize that Sukuna's could also as he was using the wheel as well.
What i think people also have a problem with is the fact that after all these battles Sukuna is still holding back. To me personally it just ruins the stakes and intensity of the fights because it makes Sukuna too powerful
Completely agree
I understand why sukuna is winning
I just don’t like how he’s winning
I also don’t like how he’s boring in terms of writing
Anti spiral pfp says goatkuna Is boring, ok kid
@@snowbunnybreeder random fact
Never watched the show where anti spiral is from
Just liked the design
Still pissed about that jacobs ladder tho. He still uses his CT and its the world cutting too
My only issue is him not trying, like at this point nobody currently participating in this battle can beat him if he still ain’t trying. Just hope he doesn’t go down in an ass pull way
I hate that they keep saying that "he's holding back". as if he didn't cry out for mahoraga to save him. as he wasn't getting his ass kicked. cause right, sure. he totally let himself get punched in the face. sure. he totally wanted to get hurt.
I dont think people honestly believe Gojo would win the fight at the beginning. But than Gojo started winning the fight and half of the fanbase started to think otherwise. I till this day don't think people are mad Sukuna beat Gojo, but by how he did it (like u said in the vid).
All I'm saying, Gege could've glazed both Kashimo and Sukuna if he made it an actual fight.(I'm still salty about Kashimo)
I would say both Gojo and sukuna are problems. Gojo more so than sukuna to be fair.
He made gojo so strong that he had to give sukuna advantages like
1) The ten shadows
2) complete knowledge of Gojo"s techniques and how to counter them.
3) Megumi's body
4) Megumi's soul.
Combine that with plot conveniences like Maho adapting to UV just when gojo was about to finish the fight.
Maho adapting to neutral infinity just when gojo knocked him out
These are all kind of acceptable but the gege went on to give sukuna an attack like the "world slash" that has no counter and negates durability. Whats more sukuna can perform it when he is battered, with low CE and low output. Whats more a gojo who has just regained his output and a gojo who has the six eyes can't even pick out the "spark" that occurs before the technique is performed or even react to it.
Ohh but gege didn't stop there. He went ahead and gave sukuna a get out of jail full heal ability.
It all feels so contrived.
So anything that follows the gojo fight is bound to feel even more contrived. Because this guy can end the fight anytime he wants.
Personally i feel like gojo ans sukuna should have died fighting each other and let kenjaku be the final villain.
I don't mind Gojo dying to Sukuna. It's the bullshit statements afterwards that are so stupid. "Hurr durr he wasn't even going all out"
Exactly. L Gege hating Gojo shouldnt be an excuse for how he killed him. Such a bullshit chapter
Fr@@JatayvionReal
You're absolutely right, in fact i think that in the next few chapters any "epic comeback" would feel forced and blank: like gojo's, i guess he's gonna come back, but why? he boutta be cooked the 2nd time, he went all out, his infinity is useless, and any other lost character would do anything but scratches at sukuna. I guess kukasabe could so some serious stuff, even for the fact that he doesn't even want to fight him, and i guess that means that kukasabe is understimating himself? (but that doen't make sense either).
Idk if he doen't cook next chapter it's best to let sukuna win everything, cus really, what else could gege do at that point?
my only problem with Sukuna is how fast he is winning, it makes sense in the story but seeing character like Higaruma getting hyped up by the narrator, just for him to get slice up feel like a lazy way to get a cliff hanger for a character.
Of course he would win he’s been alive for over 1 thousand years and the strongest sorcerer in history he wouldn’t just be one shot and that’s it with him.
@@antonio7224Logically it makes sense but narritively the story is becoming boring. Both things don't contradict each other. Sukuna's fights have been repetitive and honestly no one in the series has shown to make any meaningful impact to sukuna after Higuruma (even then all he did was get rid of a weapon we know nothing about, so even then he did nothing). Better to say that everyone after Gojo hasn't done a single thing so it makes their fights pointless.
Also lets not forget the stupid amounts of effort that Gege is trying to make us believe that each new character jumping into the fight will be the one to do something. Making Sukuna glaze them, the narrator allude to them being special and etc. Then the character gets washed with 0 effort from Sukuna who was apparently holding back against Gojo (thus making the gap unbelievably huge )and then a new character jumps in to prove that they are somehow the next Gojo, the future prospect who will do something and the character that will in somehow put more work than Gojo. Like clockwork.
I also don't like how Gege makes its even seem like they have a chance with the way the story is written. Its annoyingly optimistic with empty hype to the point where it becomes a joke. I saw this ages ago after Yuta lost but people never saw this problem until like the 4th cycle of it repeating now with Maki. Sukuna hyping any character up this point is a joke, hell Momo can jump into the fight and Sukuna would probably glaze her for having such a diffferent technique which makes her an intersting opponent (ngl its one of the most useless in the whole of jjk).
Hell even Kusukabe got offscreened. Leaked chapters against Sukuna after Gege tried to make it a specticle.
Its like watching a person put a bunch of ant in a ring with elephants and then seeing them asking people to make bets on who is going to win. Trying to hype up those ants as much as possible by scientifically explaining how strong they are for their size (can lift 100 times their mass) but at the end they are only just ants and each time one ant is being stomped by the elephant the ringleader is increasingly trying his hardest to make the ants look like a viable bet to make. How is that actually interesting I'd love for you to explain to me how that is enjoyable to read if you aren't a obnoxious Sukuna fan.
Not all Sukuna fans suck. Hell I've seen some getting annoyed by this as well. I'm just tired of this stupid loop. Switch to Uruame vs Hakari, show Sukuna's backstory literally anything. everyone 1v1 Sukuna taking turns just feels excessive padding to this story. It also makes Sukuna look incompetant for taking damage, also we don't need a whole chapter dedicated to character if they are just going to be fodder anyways.
Up to this point I'm only sticking around to see how Gege will write himself out of this corner without giving the most realistic ending "Sukuna kills everyone and the end. fin". To be honest that seems like the most feasible ending, anything else will feel like a complete asspull up to this point but I have a feeling that Gege will try to write Sukuna's defeat somehow and it will be really bad.
Sukana would have lost to goio withoust megumi's 10 shadows. So he's not the strongest. He needed maharaga's adaptation ability to even touch him.
Wrong
@Mastergamer-ul8pd he's right. Use your brain. No maharaja no world slash.
@@da_001 then why did he hold back
The issue is that the Gege wants to show that Sukuna is OP, but in the actual manga we only see him manage to off Gojo bc he managed to possess Megumi and get the 10 shadows which gave him several advantages, like nullifying damage from gojo’s DE by giving it to Megumi, & using Mahoraga to gain world slash.
It also doesn’t help that Sukuna was lucky that the trial DE only took away his cursed tool he so conveniently got a few episodes ago, and that the execution blade just barely disappeared before making the final stab. I’m also not sure how he managed to do world slash despite damage to both mouths and all his arms held back.
If Gege says that Sukuna is stronger than Gojo, it’s prob true. That in it of itself isn’t the issue. The problem is that this narrative and what is shown in the manga don’t align and/or contradict each other.
@@user-ui6vq9sn1u People seem to be getting the idea of building the perfect antagonist, or having sukana become a good guy. Both of those are terrible. He's already been set up. You keep setting him up, the expectation, and hype may not live up to what Gege has in store. On the other its like... redemption... really this man has killed countless and they want him good, and the story talking about how sukana is lonely being that strong is just... I just don't like that idea. Did something bad happen to Sukana, or is he just this way, I don't know, and it doesn't look like we'll find out, cause the story is going no where near Sukana's backstory, but maybe.
I said this I feel like jjk is a basically a sukuna meatride power fantasy sukuna gets bodied by fighter A sukuna knows he getting cooked the end of chapter is sukuna isn’t serious yet , sukuna says something that he thinks is philosophical then one shots then ends saying something philosophical and corny then fighter A2 comes to challenge
Yes.
I dropped the series after yuta, yuji, rika vs sakana.
My suspension of disbelief has eroded.
Gege is playing favorites.
Nah, it ain’t any different from the Z Fighters boxing Vegeta or Buu or Cell. We just at the point where it looks #DireForTheGuys.
There are two differences.
1) Each time Vegeta, Cell, and Buu got back up, they did something new. Sukuna hasn't done that; he beat 4 people in the exact same way
2) For all 3 (and frieza here, too), there was a win condition. Especially the Buu saga, bags were fumbled, but there was a way that the Z fighters could win that seemed plausible. That doesn't really exist anymore.
There are alot of differences actually
1. Against Vegeta, it was only after Goku lost and they needed to explicitly buy him time. There was clear sense of narrative progression that led to Vegetas defeat
2. Against Freeza, we cared about every character involved and the character relationships were far more obvious.
There’s no progression in this fight and you cannot tell me an actual relationship that Higuruma, Maki or Yuta have with Sukuna outside of them being good and him being bad and some surface level parallels
@@MineShackle No progression? He’s been stripped of his strength multiple times over? And even though he hit a black flash Gojo hit FOUR back to back and was still #BarbecueChicken y’all act like the black flash gon magically put him at his peak. Especially when Yuta is damn near his polar opposite in every thematic sense? Y’all’s heads so far up y’all’s own asses💀💀💀
@@ATLienMJ there’s no tangible effect. We just learned that he’s still holding back.
@ATLienMJ the problem is, team JJ High has made NEGATIVE progress since 236.
Kashimo made Sukuna go heian mode
Higuruma took away kamitoke (the only real progress they made; fighting sukuna + kashimo would probably he a little bit harder)
Yuji and Yuta lost the "save Megumi" win condition.
Maki got him to land a black flash, getting him to 120% of his current output and pushing him closer to ending the series in 4 words.
What progress has been made? The heart stab that he borderline shrugged off by this point?
My biggest problem was higamura and how he got the curse tool. To me that was the biggest bs I've read
It doesn’t make sense Gojo didn’t dodge it because he “was not dodging before” Gojo didn’t know his arm would be cut off by that slash. When he was cut it was surprised, he should have known that now his infinity can be surpassed. And we see in the same fight that both of the can tell when their enemy cursed energy, so he should definitely be able to tell abt the sukuna slash. But that’s not even the worst, the worst is Sukuna sending out the slash by using hand signs and chants as prerequisites, but against Gojo he done it without a hand and without chanting, seemingly out of nowhere, it simply doesn’t make any sense. I do agree Gojo should lose the fight narrative wise, that was the best decision, but his defeat was a complete asspull.
the chants and hand signs are certainly inexcusable but it makes sense when it comes to gojo not dodging, mahoraga was the one that cut his arm off, and that was through adaptation. Mahoraga's own unique ability. Gojo had no reason to think that sukuna's slashes could suddenly hurt him when they couldn't before. In fact, the one time sukuna fired off a slash, it caught gojo off guard. Which is reasonable, considering his infinity. "Why would you use an attack that won't work?" type of confusion. Even if he did see it coming, chants and all, gojo would likely react the exact same way, not expecting it to work, then boom, in the airport
@@Dan-neil I don’t think it does, Gojo had experienced the attack once, and he can see the other next move through cursed energy, he should definitely be able to tell that the attack coming from sukuna was the same that Mahoraga used
@@eumesmonao Well, we don't actually know what sukuna or gojo see when they see the "spark." Sukuna saw reversal red but that might've been the only thing he could've recognized from it. If for example, that reversal red had some kind of binding vow, would sukuna have seen that too? Would gojo have seen that there was anything different from his regular slashes? Sukuna seeing that red is the only explicate example shown to the audience, so there is no real evidence to back up your claim.
@@Dan-neil is not a binding vow, it’s another whole revamp of his ability. Sukuna thought Gojo 200% purple was due to a binding vow when it wasn’t. So Sukuna can see abilities as they still building up inside Gojo as cursed energy, what caused it to be so powerful nope but he can obviously see it is very powerful. So you not only have to argue Gojo somehow turned a blind eye to another ability CE that was the same Mahoraga used so he had experienced it, you also have to argue that even if was the same CE pattern of a normal slash, that Gojo also wouldn’t notice a change on cursed energy output to perform it. But it’s been explicitly stated that it is indeed an ability of its own not just something like a biding vow so you actually have no basis
@@eumesmonaofirst of all, i used a binding vow as an example. I didn't say that sukuna's slashes were literally built on a binding vow. Also, where in the manga did it say that the world slash is an ability of it's own and not just an enhanced dismantle? Give me the chapter and page. then I'll make my argument
Sukuna could've died to Yuta if Yuta used Cursed Speech and said "Die". Remember he did this against Geto and it instantly killed off all those curses Geto sent towards his direction.
there isn’t really a good way to kill sukuna off now.
when you make an antagonist so powerful (like madara from naruto) there’s no real good way to kill off a villain of that power
Sukuna: King of Ass-pulls
Bring Goatjaku back
Even Mahito is better atp
The problem, in my opinion, of this whole final saga is that Gege is literally throwing away characters that deserved screen time (Kashimo, Higuruma for example), plus why does everyone face Sukuna one at a time? If Gege had had an all-out fight against Sukuna he could still have shown Sukuna's strength and causing many characters to die in a more unexpected way anyway because in a "Battle Royale" you can't know who will be next (let's be honest, for quite a few chapters, every time a character appears we have been certain that he will lose, there is no pleasure in even seeing him fight knowing that he will lose). In summary, again in my humble opinion, this arc of the "great final battle" is disappointing me a bit both for what I said before but also and above all because Yuji is useless and not very impactful/relevant since the battle started .
I think the problem is that the author is straight up lying to his audience. You can't show Sukuna struggling massively and declare Gojo as the winner only to off screen him the very next chapter. It reads like a straight up Deus ex Machina cuz we didn't see HOW the story straight up took a full 180.
The narrator never said gojo won
@@Kingcrimson_1456 It doesn't matter if the narrator states it or not - the entire manga is written by the author. So if a character declares that the battle is over and Gojo is the winner, it's a massive dick move to start the next chapter with Gojo dead and cut in half.
It's also a dick move to have Sukuna visibly distressed and struggling vs Gojo with missing limbs and shit, only for the author to inform us through dead Gojo that the dude STILL WASN'T EVEN TRYING. That's some ole bullshit. The author is LITERALLY telling us to IGNORE OUR LYING EYES and that shit is scummy asf.
@@ShadowSaberBaroxio The people watching the fight are just spectators and The narrator is the one all be all who knows everything and the only time sukuna wasn’t really in control was the during the last purple after mahoraga did the final adoption Sukuna was back in control. Gojo kind of right about Sukuna kind of just messing with him
@@Kingcrimson_1456 there shouldn't be an off screen kill to Gojo. The Mangaka is domb for doing it.
@@GolDFish-if1ov you spelled, dumb wrong
Honestly if sukuna was written to actually be weakening and the efforts of everyone actually amounting to something the chapters would be more entertaining. Because atm only Gojo keeps getting referenced as having truly gimped him and then Gege goes and throws in "but he isn't actually trying" which completely removes the tension on who's going to win. Since now every new fight is a bet on how many panels someone lasts.
But really what butt hurt me the most was Maki vs Sukuna. You literally had the peak of jujitsu vs the antithesis and it was over in like 5 panels.
imo the sukuna hate is not just coming from the fights themselves - its also just frustrating that there has been barely any character interaction between the main cast in the last idk 50 or so chapters so we dont feel anything when a character gets killed
also while i understand your point about the cycle and that sukuna is supposed to easily beat anyone he wants to i do think that the writing has become incredibly repetitve
"this will surely do something against him!!!!!"
*sukuna stands there unfazed*
"well, time to die"
My biggest gripe with the whole Sukuna situation (aside from the repetitive pattern) is that he's getting pushed to near death all the time and should realistically be at his limit at this point but Uraume's out here claiming that he's still not even trying which is just fucking stupid. Sukuna ultimately losing because of a war of attrition would have made sense without letting Sukuna seem like a pushover. But as of now, there'll undoubtedly be one hell of an asspull to actually defeat him.
Good video. Cant wait for the pencil man to react
I have no problem.
Im just curious to see where it goes, how its gonna end.
But I'm patient enough to wait for the conclusion before complaining. If the ending isn't satisfactory, doesn't make sense, or doesn't flow well when reading through the volumes, then I'll say something.
The rest is reading weekly, having fun and waiting for the conclusion of the arc.
great explanation I agree with pretty much every point hopefully when this hits the anime some of these problems will be fixed
It’s just getting boring. At this point if the protagonist are gonna win it’s gonna be with plot which is just not interesting at all.
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You think Gojo can actually see it like Maki or no? Or just the CE build up?
Tbh
I was in the same camp as you with Gojo not dodging being in character for him
But after he glazed Sukuna so hard, it made less sense to me that he wouldn’t dodge after Mahoragas slash bypassed infinity and then see Sukunas CE swell up by a large margin
Did he think Sukuna was an idiot? Clearly not
So that makes me wonder why he didn’t dodge it, and that’s why it feels like a plothole
Because it went from Gojo not dodging something he knows can’t bypass infinity
To Gojo trying to tank a last ditch effort from someone who he thought he was inferior to the entire time, after getting his infinity bypassed and looking at Sukuna the entire time while he chants for the world slash
He didnt know that Sukuna would do the slash by himself. Gojo is not the allknowing, omg.
@@windygrass9807 I should rephrase
He saw or heard - or both - Sukuna make the chants and have his CE swell up
Whether he knew sukuna was about to launch the world slash specifically is irrelevant - he knew an attack was coming from someone who he respects and admits inferiority to and he had his limitless bypassed 3x already, which he knew was his saving grace
Well, Kusakabe just recently got cooked and now we have Miguel next... oh boy, this Sukuna cycle sure is crazy.
I’m sorry but this story became indefensible after Miguel showed up. Gege has no idea wtf he’s doing anymore
If Sukuna would kill everyone and end the series with that I feel like that would be the least divisive thing since Sukuna is way too much for this series
But from what we've seen from Jujutsu fans I think that would also be the most divisive thing
yeah cause it'd be a shit ending
No like have you seen the things Juju fans do sometimes
@@generallyupsetfetusnot really only to people who always love the norm shonen tropes, not I was mad asf when the guy died in agame kill but after realizing it’s not my show I had to except it, now I’m making my own light novel and making my own story will everyone agree with it? No. But it’s just another story to be experienced
@@thatnigga3892 no, it really would be a shitty ending. Now, whether or not to interpret it as good or bad is a different thing, but yes it would be a shitty ending.
@@AVeryRandomDot yes.
My problem is that I don’t see a feasible way that the heroes can actually win this without either BS, Megumi somehow getting his shit together, or…..actually that is the only two ways they are actually winning this now that I think of it. Either way it’s just getting boring and frustrating to read at this point. That’s just my opinion though.
13 seconds and 1 view you fell off bro
i’m cooked
No lie it’s his biggest glazer gege, with his coincidences
coincidences such as
Higuruma not knowing about the fact his domain expansion takes away Sukunas cursed tool instead of his curse technique, when he should have known this from the culling games since most there had cursed tools. The fact Sukuna ended up fighting a sorcerer who was obsessed with him and had the ability to make that cursed tool and the fact he somehow was able to do the hand signs when Rika was holding him, said the chants and shot off his word cutting slash in Yuta’s domain
Real
@@Mr.Q753higuruma one is totally plausible given his inexperience and his de taking away kamutoke instead of cleave and dismantle was literally more beneficial bc kamutoke doesn’t rely on sukunas output meaning he would’ve just destroyed everyone with unblockable lightning as opposed to weakened slashes. yorozu point is fair although id liken that to plot more so than “coincidence.” and from what i understand the slash sukuna landed on yuta was just a strengthened dismantle bc i agree that him getting off hand signs is a little questionable. however him getting off the world slash there doesn’t seem entirely impossible given that in the panel after he lands it rikas hands are shown to be cleaved through meaning sukuna could’ve ripped through rikas grip and formed the signs then
@@jxlswe249 Well that would have been cool if gege showed us how OP Kamutoke is and hammered it in as a point. That is the thing I hate the most. We have way more exposure to cleave and dismantle so its annoying to see a placeholder item get taken away instead. Literally introduced just to be taken away.
It’s not Sukuna being too strong, tbh he should be this strong. It’s that it feels more contrived and convenient than actually threatening. The entire curse took confiscation thing was a perfect high light of that. Rather then Sukuna showing he’s the strongest because even nerfed he’ll thrash you, it felt more like the one annoying kid at the park who when playing superhero’s would say “my power is to turn YOUR power off”
Then you have the statement that he’s still not even trying and it’s like???? Okay, well, that didn’t make him feel more threatening, it makes the victory in the end feel cheaper because it’s making a victory feel more and more implausible without some absolute dumb reason.
Tl;dr-> It feels like rather then ending the story with “through blood, sweat, tears, and countless sacrifices they managed to chip away at the King of Curses until he could be beaten” and more like we’re heading toward “yeah we were fucked until someone pulled out a random uno reverse card”
The worst parts of the offscreening are that Sukuna did not chant. And that Mahoraga could seemingly do World Cutting shit whenever.
Why. The. Fuck.
Mahoraga could only do world cutting after adapting to infinity and after that first attack he didn’t get a chance to do it again. I assume the chant was also done off screen bc he’s never been able to do it without the chant
Cause Mahoraga's whole thing is finding ways to negate and counter shit,lol. Sukuna thing is kinda odd but maybe he made a binding vow to take off the chant 1 time or maybe Gojo just didn't expect it to cut him and just saw it as an desperate attack on the brink of death.
This is the epitome of lack of reading comprehension
Jjk fans when the strongest in history turns out to in fact be, the strongest in history.
Every chapter that passes I just sit there wondering “You’re telling me you has all of that and you somehow lost in the past?”
Like what kind of boof where Heinan sorcerers smoking, did like a group of Gojos pull up on Sukuna or smth?
@@newguy8288i don’t think he lost, it was never mentioned he lost
Sukuna should of dominated that gojo fight a lot more. That not trying statement is so fucking stupid
@@newguy8288when did they say he lost? I thought he split himself just to cause more havoc in the future
@@newguy8288no one defeated him …he got bored and sealed himself
I think my issue with these fights with Sukuna is we completely skipped all training for the characters. It would be nice to actually see the training and development to get our characters get stronger.
Sukuna is fine, he just had one too many plot armor moments. Also, the “holding back” statements can come across as bullshit.
If Gege can plays his cards right Sukuna could still be considered one of the villain GOATs so long as he sticks the landing.
Sukuna will never be a “villian goat”💀 his character is stagnant and kind of boring he’s just strong🤷🏾♂️
@@SumRandomGuy1 He said he wrote himself into a corner with Gojo for this exact reason. Gojo was just strong
Kenjaku could have been a goat villain but Gege fucked that up
Yea that whole holding back nonsense is BS.
@@Mellyster i think gojo is a lot more intereating than sukuna due to it being a protagonist trying to a create world where he feels less lonely due to his strength. Which is atleast unique and has a nice paralell with other characters whereas sukuna just wants to be evil and kill everything with no remorse. Which is basically any old monster on yhe street but he is broken. The main thing with sukuna is that he is cool and shit, but he has no real depth of thought on purpose.