VINTAGE VOX WAH~WAHS: COMPARING 4, LATE 60'S WAH~WAHS + DEMOS!
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2019
- HEY!
Old school wah~wah pedals are my Favorite!
While each one can be different, once you find the right combo, you can't replace it!
In this video, I compare some of the classic vintage wah wah pedals, and give you a tour of their circuits, and what makes them so special!
Hope you enjoy this, I did!
Peace and Thanks!
Gear:
1959 Fender Stratocaster
1968 Fender super reverb
1979 Ibanez ts808
4) Late 60's vox Italian wah pedals
Strings:
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contact:
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One huge factor that never gets mentioned in wahs and other pedals(I've modded many wahs,Tube Screamers etc..) is the differences in component values...Especially those Allen Bradley CC resistors.They read way high brand new...So you could have a 100k Q resistor that measures like 117k in one wah as an example and values all different from wah to wah....So no magic really,just the overall component tolerence differences and this would also include the inductors and the transistors and the pot and how it sweeps we know is a huge part of it...This has been true with Tube Screamers and that entire line..Love your videos and playing from another musician/guitarist here!
You prolly dont give a shit but if you guys are bored like me atm you can watch pretty much all the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my brother recently xD
@Cody Lorenzo yup, been watching on instaflixxer for years myself :)
Í´ve moded over 100 Wahs intereted to discuss
Yes man starting the hunt for vintage wahs needed this crash course… good goin
I used to think Nick was cray cray for having so many vintage wahs … now a year later I have 9! 😬
I've bought 1, a script. Hands down THE sound
Dude this is the most informative vintage wah video on the internt - thanks!
You sound great through everything you play through and it starts in the hands...Love SRV and Jimi too...Thumbs up!
Dude, I have referenced this video like 50 times. Your script was is incredible.
Yea man. I love my wah wahs!
Thanks for sharing Nik
Killer Wah collection
I love them all...
But that Picture Wah sounds amazing!!!
Thanks a lot I enjoyed looking inside the different was nice collection
Killer wah wah tones! Great job Nik! ✌🎸
Very cool, man. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Bro, Really dig the content, and that playing! Wakah Wakah
Love the old wahs. Enjoyed the vid.
Thank you!!!
Awesomeness!!!
Nicely done video. Thanks for sharing! After true bypassing, how do you deal with the apparent increase in volume of the bypassed tone? Do your wahs lose volume when turned on?
Still the best wah video on UA-cam
Really KILLER playing!
From a wah wah brother to another great vid dude
Oh thanks man. You have great ones too!
Thanks for sharing! I own a few old Vox wahs myself. They are unique and to me they define the classic wah tone. You are fortunate to own the picture Clyde, serial # 51.
Corey! Its nik, philips friend!!!
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 Hey Nik I trust you are well! It's great to see you doing these You Tube pieces. I checked out a few and they are great! I saw you jamming with Phi at one of his shows. What a blast!
Excellent Video Nik. About two years ago I set out to Clone one of my Vox pedals I had bought in the med 90s. I purchased most of the stuff on line some parts are hard to come by like the sweep capacitors and the Ducati Caps.I was surprised that the 100k ohm did not make much of a difference over the 33k ohm. I tried to get the pedal to sound more Like the Hendrix pedal then the Clyde Mc Coy. Having a hard time finding the boards now. Thanks for making this video. It's the best I have seen so far. c]8-)
2-1-3 from left to right, bsically your fav is my fav too :)
First I gotta say man you are so inspiring you really need to have your own group and playing out. I'm sure you already have tho.
Just wanted to say that.
I finally had both my stock Vox whas moded by Area 51 to the Italian mod. I I couldn't be happier. Really digging your as well. Amazingly great tone and playing thank you Nick.
Dan makes great stuff. I got one of his early prototype italia wahs with all nos parts. It sounds just like my old vox crybaby!
Favorite is the trash can wah, and the script wah. But that top logo is insane too.
Awesome to see us both on here Darren...Another mod crazy,guitar playing,amp collecting dude here!
Great vid. Thx Nik.
Thank you!
It's pretty much the same results as I get with my near mint Top Logo Crybaby & my '67 Clyde McCoy... They sound virtually identical. I prefer the look of the chrome on my VOX but the Top Logo Crybaby is just a little bit thicker & chewier and I prefer your Brybaby too. I built a board for my 90's VOX V-847 using a reproduction Italian style board & used vintage components I got from Kyle Chase of Chase Tone (a great guy to deal with) & I got a couple each of his Tru-Talk 100K & Tru-ICAR 275K pots that I'm really happy with as well - this way I get pretty much the same tone as my vintage wahs & I can leave them at home when gigging (unless I want to show off for some special gigs, lol).
Great stuff bro, Keep up the good work!
Sounds Good :)
Awesome stuff! I have a near mint Top Logo Crybaby and it's incredible. Not sure if you ever noticed, but if you compare the black gear track that attaches to the top treadle of the wah and rotates the round gear on the pot, you'll notice the Top Logo Cybaby's has more teeth per inch, meaning there is less distance between the peak of each individual tooth. This translates into a slightly faster sweep & Hendrix loved that faster sweep effect on certain songs.
Not sure if the Clyde's used the same gear rack, but the newer 70's & up wahs have the same gear rack with less teeth per inch as modern production wahs.
Also, inductors differ from pickups in that pickups use wire wrapped around magnets where inductors use wire wrapped around non-magnetic ferrite (rather than magnets as you stated) or even air in place of ferrite material. An exeption to this is the vintage original red Fasel inductors. Tests have shown that a happy accident in sourcing the ferrite material allowed some material used to become slightly magnetized with the small current flowing thru the wire coil on them & this tiny bit of magnetization made the vintage red Fasels have a unique tone that was more saturated & produced more harmonic content.
Stevie Ray Vaughn also liked the early 70's wahs with the brown cube 5103 Japanese made TDK inductors. This 5103 actually made its first appearance around the time of the new Trash Can inductor between late '67 & mid-'68. I have another Top Logo that came with the TDK 5103 and Aarco caps. I also have a Script Clyde with the original red Fasel & it sounds better than the original Halo's. There is a bit of truth to the legendary aura surrounding original the red Fasels. The modern red Dunlop version is nowhere near the original red Fasel. in fact, the modern yellow Dunlop Fasel actually sounds closer to the original red Fasel & original Halo's.
Ahh man. This is awesome! This is exactly why i do these videos. So we can All connect and geek out! Thank you so much!
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 - You got it bro!
the vintage wahs never got old, i want to mod my own someday with that detrik fx board he sells but i dream of finding one of these early 60s wahs at a garage sale or something for 20 bucks
The Detrick board is a good starting point
I would love to see more videos of you talking about wah, especially about capacitors 0.22 (tropical, arc, etc.) and 0.01, how much do you think influence the tone? Is it necessary that they be NOS or can any current capacitor do the same? 4.0 vs 4.7 pfu cap ... etc! You know too much about these things and it is really appreciative to hear your opinion! Thanks to you I improved a lot !!! thanks friend
Greta video!Thx mate
My Colorsound wah is a little tougher to get to the guts But my DA wah face has the red inducter that's on it's side Diff than the trashcan Pots need replacing on both though Loved this demo I have a Kern tube wah as well
I had a minty vintage Clyde , I sourced parts and my friend mans replicas for us both and they sound exactly like the original very simple if you are a amp guitar guy.
…I’ve never heard the wah played so well👍😎I’ve got an old King Vox with the TDK inductor . Is missing the base plate …so no serial # . Is there any way to tell what this thing is? Do you know what usually fails on these older units. I replaced the pot recently but still clean but no wah.
Wow the Top Crybaby sounds amazing, no wonder Hendrix played one
Hey bro nice collection .i told you about the wah i found in garage sale for 30 dollars .man its the same gut as the script logo that you have here .i will soon make a video of it on my channel.👍👍👍🙏🙏🎸🎸
I love my old wah
Even though it is the darkest; the first one sounds the best to me
Hi nik, do u remove the rubbers from the treadle to get more range up and down, couldn't quite make it out from the video. Thanks for the tips with wahs, I have adjusted all my wahs to give more Treble sweep as per your instructions. Have a great day.
Bro 1 I’d the best videos Iv ever watched (as I have his passion you do also) except your far cooler wiser & smarter then I wtg enjoyed the video watched it 3 times!!!
Thanks! Glad you enjoy it
Thanks! Glad you enjoy it
Looking to kit my Grey vol enclosure with wah circuit.. not sure which to go for.. had lots, still have a few, guess I'm still searching.. got teese RMC1 frustrating sweep!!! just installed castledine Clyde board in an old usa Vox wah, does the Clyde & picture wah really well, Very voodoo choppy..
I have an original stacko dimes inductor I'd like to put to use..
You should try the first edition of the Budda was the black label. It blows every vintage wah I have own.
Funny I actually like the later purple version more...Read my earlier post about component tolerances.This doesn't get mentioned much but has a "HUGE" affect from one wah to another...Same goes for Tube Screamers and other pedals,amps,etc..
John Spina for sure will check it out. I love budda wahs. They are my new favorites.
I've had 7 old Budda wahs. Original square gray-and-black label, black oval label, pink oval label. They all sounded different in the amount of bass, mids, treble, dynamic response, output and, of course, sweep...while still retaining a signature "Budda Wah" sound, perhaps due to the inductor used. Some were unacceptable shrill and thin (not due to the pot adjustment). But the good ones do sound nice.
wah shootout!!!!!
they all sound great but clearly different im shocked how raw the cry baby sounds,i only tried a new one lol but it didnt sound as good as the hw vox the vox bass notes sounded much rawer & fatter more primal.i just brought a new hw vox wah wah what do you think of the new ones & can i make it rawer ??? also ive just brought a roger mayer autographed octivia fuzz pedal as well sounds punchy & very close to jimi on band of gypsies,well he did make it.but i tried 5 out & the roger mayer one had more clarity others had more distortion almost sounding like a distortion pedal.but i want my wah wah to sound raw like yours i dont play clean wah wah just dirty lol.i keep getting called a low down dirty guitarist so im getting my set up right i just brought a maestro 1964 fuzztone fz-1a its got one input & a lead to plug into my guitar sadly the side input is capped off.can i link it to my octivia with a patch cable ???.im told if you link a fuzz pedal before the octivia pedal it makes it go up another octive so it goes up 2 octives.i need an effects board to link 4 effects but im not sure if you lose the perk from having them connected directly,great playing by the way you got the sweet tones nailed & raw just like they should be .i wish i could hear them in the flesh cause on you tube its compressed im a analogue vinyl man .ive got a you tube channel with thousands of top rarities click on my name & created playlists & your find thousands of records most made on small independent labels during the 60,s ive done a list called 60,s garage punk psych rarities its got 1.5 million views its took me over 30 years to get this list together.but if you love raw,mid 60,s garage has got fuzz organ tape echo guitar phrasing its a treasure trove into the true 60,s sonic underground.your be amazed at the quality & originality bands that sound like no other are what i seek.ive opened the door for many people on you tube & its a pleasure to teach people about true musician,s so check me out you wont be disappointed i ask myself this where do you go after jimi hendrix me i stay in the 60,s they play out of their skins its everything or nothing lol peace...
I have 1 of those Grey vox "Jimmy page" Volume pedals, I spoke with Stuart Castledine who is an authority on Wah here in the UK, he told me the 1 I have is the 2nd he knew of, the 1st being 1 he has in his collection, yours is the 3rd that I now know of.. i also converted my pedal to a speed pedal for a Univibe that Stuart built me, perfect colour match.. checkout Castledine electronics he builds fuzz's "many of" wahs Univibe etc etc.
Stu is a legend!!
Is it possible to do true bypass with those old switches ? I am (was) a wah afficionado 15 years ago... I thought we need a TPDT switch. I have about 25/30 wahs. Manyyy italian, a few crybaby , a few colorsound, a couple Morley , a couple George Dennis
No you can hardwire them, and select them via an efx looper without buffer.
Do find much difference between The 33k, 68k and 100k resistor running parallel with the inductor and if so what difference to u hear in each value?
There are so many other “different” components so its hard to say what each different resistor is doing. But, i just listen to what it does and adjust the pot and true bypass them
I have that Clyde McCoy wah that unfortunately stopped working some years ago and I'd love to revive it someday but in the meantime I have a Dunlop Cry-Baby and a Mutron Vol-Wah I haven't fired up in a long time.
I could take a look at the clyde for you
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 I'll keep you posted
Great video! I have an Italian V846, and an Italian Vox Crybaby like the one you demonstrated. I’ve had them for over 20 years and have always assumed they were made in the late 60s . The V846 - first two numbers of the serial on the bottom are 18 which according to a site I came across recently says it’s a 1975. The first two numbers on the bottom of the Crybaby are 16 which the site says is a 1973. Can you confirm this? A little disappointed that they apparently aren’t as old as I originally thought but both sound great. Crybaby seems to sound a lot more pronounced than the 846 even though the guts look identical. Thanks!
if it is a triple labled (Thomas organ, crybaby, vox) Italian crybaby then it is pretty old at least 68/69/70 ish
New Hendrix wah use 22n sweep cap, But is it what he was using for recording ¿
Just using off the shelf wahs. Stock caps from the 60s
AWESOME video!!! i LOVE the wah!! the next one i buy will be a joe gagan faux boomer ultra wah [ i think i got that right].i have a vox CM re issue from the early/mid 2000's that has been modded by him which i love.i also have a tesse wizard wah for something a bit different. to all you wah fans out there who want something a bit different checkout JOE GAGAN on reverb.
I have Joe’s Italia wah - amazing tone - amazing service from Joe
oh awesome!!!!!
I got a Strat question totally off topic. Just acquired an EJ Strat. It was an Internet purchase. ( good deal ). So I didn’t have the chance to test before I buy. Sounds awesome but I feel like I’m fighting it. Tons of friction and sounds weird but I feel like it fights back. Just doesn’t flow if you get what I mean. What could I do ?
See if there is a bit of extra relief in the neck. Take that out. Mess with spring/bridge tension as well
The Riff w Nik Sevigny thanks dude. Helped out a lot !!
Are there any new wah pedal makers you would recommend?
Sure!
ChaseTone
WeaverFX
VenusWitch
Oxbow
All seem to be great vintage style oriented wahs that get the job done!
Ever try a Farfisa Wah? I have one, it sounds totally unique.
Just watched a video of one. Pretty wild!
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 Let me know if you're ever interested to give it a whirl and I can send it over, it's got a unique feel
How different does the Trashcan inductor sound from the Halo ? It's hard to tell on the vid.
More growl to my ear with the trashcan. More vocal with the halo
Cool .. I have 8 wahs I won't mention names 3 are on multi fx pedals & one is not too bad .. but the rest I was really disappointed . But I now know at least some things I can try to improve them .. Also In my research found out that nearly everyone has some modifications done .. Anyway True story many Years ago when I lived in London I was invited ( private viewing select crowd only ) to the launch of a new range of round fuzzt type pedals & wahs & the Secret guest was none other than Noel Redding ( Buddy was better ) & there we were in a small Back room with a selection of the new Pedals etc Well He turned on a Full 100 Marshall Rig & the Hum from the pedals was awful .. & then he started to play well I only lasted about a minute with my hands over my ears .. I have always been careful of my hearing So I fled from the shop . If Jimi had been there so many nice guitars & new better stuff .. I think Jimi would have left with me & my mate Back to the Pub with the pretty barmaids & the backroom where we could get stoned & the little music shop next door where you could sit & jam at a pleasant volume & as long as you were cool you could sit there for hours I played a 63 Telecaster .. that I could not afford & have wished I could ever since . So the search for the wah sound I want to have goes on. We do not have Deoxit in this country but I found a similar thing . & Since I started playing slide more I am having fun . Cheers Nik Peace & love to you & yours ( I lived thru the 70's ) & finally it is Cool to say Cool man again .. so keep up the show .. Some excellent playing at the end . I can tell when someone has tone in their hands & not all of that sound was from the pedals plus & I don't give out compliments unless I mean them . You know how to take your time ( on guitar anyway lol ) So many folks rush thru things .. you know lots of notes & sweeping etc but not giving the Notes time to bloom . Stay safe Be cool
the VOX Wah's with the TDX inductor (Square Japan Fasel) are widely considered to be the Best among players, even tho so called "experts" & "collectors" always talk trash about them. Jimi Hendrix @ Woodstock is a good demo at proving my point.
That turned out to be false. The wah used at woodstock was a blank front no logo vox picture wah
www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/hendrix-woodstock-dave-weyer-wah.2084907/
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 I've had them all practically over the years and the vintage 60s one with the reddish brown "Ring"inductor sucked beyond description but Bill Krinard (Two-Rock Amps founder) looked at me like I was crazy for asking 25 bux and swooped on it from me even tho I knew then it was worth more, to me, it was a dog. I had the stack of dimes too once I think it was early 70s but it sounded better than the doughnut inductor type but not as good as both TDK's that Ive had and still have one. granted your wahs sounds pretty damed good! and great demo - but I'm a defender of the TDK inductor because it's actually a fasel housed differently is all... and I find it odd there's SO MUCH propagated Hype about how Awful the TDK ones are when it is simply not true however you turn it... in-fact quite the opposite as they can be some the BEST fullest resonant vocal and watery Wah's out there. . I don't believe the forums biases about the subject anymore than a random dude saying he modded Hendrix's pedals but appreciate the the link for consideration matters. that said, It's still highly probable that Jimi ended up using ones with the TDK's as he actually had hoards of them of them, from what I hear... thanks!
what transistor do you prefer more
They all can sound good when all the components work good together
you get better feel if you use a wah pedal with flip flops but vans are cool too
There are a gizillon pedals but wahs always struck me as the weirdest. Fav pedal.
Wah's are easily my favorite. Vox Wah's specifically and it's not even close for me.
Yes!!!
U bet!!
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 Man I'll tell you something crazy. I have this one from like 1998 and it is fanTASTIC but a few years ago it went out and I've searched high and low for a way to have it fixed and literally there are ZERO techs that I can find that will work on it for me and they tell me it's impossible to fix. I even got a hold of a guy I learned about from the Guitologist's channel who told me he would call me back later that day and he never did and I STILL can not get that thing fixed. Do you know ANY way that I can get it fixed? I absolutely adore that pedal and have never found one to satisfy me like that one does but I'm totally clueless on electricity and have no idea how to fix it. I'm in east TN and do you know any single person I could have to fix it for me? ANY help would be greatly appreciated!
Sure. What is the issue?
This video made me realize how bad my crappy reissue Vox wah is. I wonder if theres a kit for modding it to make it any better.
the top logo and the picture wah sounded best and they are both very similar but the picture seems more sqwauky
Holy crap I just bought a '73 Italian vox with a white iCar pot and trashcan inductor! Didn't know about Stevie preferring that certain model.
Nice. That sounds fun!
My Clyde picture wah I sold for 600
For sale?
Great video....Sweep caps are .01 and not .1.......
Correct. Apologies. I edited out the part where i called the treadle arm loop a “battery” .... funny part is i just fixed a wah last week , sweep cap issue haha
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 Just put it out there for folks wanting to tweak their wah etc....Great videos! No problem pal..
John Spina thanks john! This is exactly
Why i do these videos. Just to have fun and geek out!
@@theriffwniksevigny5473 Playing is fun but tweaking and working on our own stuff is cool too brother....Back in the early 2000s I probably modded close to 100 pedals for guys on the Seymour Duncan Forums and local guys here in Florida...Did quite a few wahs,but mostly Tube Screamers(Clones) and most of the Boss OD/Distortion pedals...Started having issues with my eyes and stopped,but I'm still constantly tweaking on my own stuff....Love it..We were all really big and into magnet swaps in our Duncan pickups too..LOL...
That crybaby is perfection
is anybody making new wahs that sound as good as the old ones? why did they change it?!
I make such mods
no of any srv bootlegs when srv used 2 wahs????????
Crybaby Top logo is THE KING!!!
understood, but optical wahs require no maintenance
why dont they ever reissue the top logo wah? they look and sound cooler than the picture wah in my opinion
ok .and???
vintage tone they sound different
Nothing special
?
DogDaze66, You have to be kidding right? Either that or you've never played a wah from the 60's or heard one in person.
The combination of the low gain transistors used then (which gave increased fullness & low end without adding gainy distortion like the modern high gain ones), the carbon composition resistors, the unique sweep of the ICAR pots (the original 60's Allen-Bradley pots had an almost identical sweep to the ICAR believe it or not), the composition of the capacitors & even the bipolar Ducati cap along with the unique voicing added in from the red Fasel, small & large hole Halo, Trash Can & early TDK 5103 inductors all add up to wah pedals that give a full, throaty, vocal & even quacky type tone compared to today's tame, sterile sounding offerings. Even Dunlop's new Handwired Clyde McCoy sounds nothing like the original due to the factors indicated previously.