As a teenager I dreamed of one day owning a Steyr Mannlicher Schoenauer Carbine. A month ago at age 57 I walked into a local gun store and hanging on the wall looking like the Holy Grail was a pristine 1961 MCA Carbine in 30/06 with single trigger complete with original factory sling. Installed was a set of Redfield scope mounts with a perfect Weaver K4-60b scope with Post and crosshair reticle. I am now a happy man.
Your Video brought back a lot of memories, I stumbled across a 1903 model at a gun show in Melbourne Australia in 1990 or early 91 from memory, I only got a chance at the rifle because the dealer was late in arriving. I was walking past, and noticed an old case, he was unpacking his wares, I said what's in the case, he said it's an old Mannlicher Schoenauer rifle. I said would you mind if I have a look please, he picked up the case, put it on the table, and undid the straps around the case, and pressed the latches, opening up the case. I nearly fell over, it was a William Evans, London Gun maker's rifle, it had all the Accessories, and Trade Labels, when I got it home, I looked the rifle over further, it even had three original cartridges still under the butt plate trap door, they were very corroded, but it was a Gem to find, especially in this Country, things like that don't pop up very often if at all. I paid $1600 for it, that was a lot of money back then for a young fella, much younger than I am now.
Aloha Harry, Great story, thanks for sharing and I will agree, you not only got a great gun, but also at a terrific price assuming its condition was still strong and since it was kept with the original case and accessories, my guess is that it was/is. Thanks again for sharing your story of your great find!!!
Excellent history lesson on true classic rifle. Dreaming of "Silk&Steel". Three of my shouting friends had a couple of different versions in 30.06, 7x57. Pieces of true handcrafted history, wonderful shooters.
I just saw a nice one on GunsInternational.com in .243 for under $3000 with the right safety for a scope and the correct scope rings and it had a more conservative factory stock than some.
Along with my 40+ year tutorage and wildcat love affair with .264 caliber cartridges, this is my most desired rifle. I am a very serious mod. 98, mod. 54 and mod. 70 hunter, custom builder and collector. That said, this rifle is the crown jewel of turn bolt actions. Though it is a manufactured rifle, it is my opinion this rifles barreled action and stock is as fine, and can be engraved, as a bespoke rifle. I will purchase any and every one of these rifles I can locate, no matter the chambering. I truly love this most elegant of bolt action rifles. I very much appreciate this video not only for excellent commentary, but to be able to observe the rifle at length. Thank you Roger.
I have a 1903 Mannlicher Shoenauer carbine in 6.5 x 54,I load my own ammo for it and use a 160gn.Hornaday round nosed bullet so the gun feeds like its on roller bearings,thank you for showing us your fine rifle and I can tell you are as proud of your gun as I am of mine! I also have a really nice 8mm x56 MS that is also a work of art.Thank you again its nice to see someone who appreciates quality made firearms.
I also load for the 6,5x54MS. But i use a custom made, 100 grs. leadfree CNC turned brass huntingbullet with drivebands, made by famous german physicist Lutz Möller. My rifle mod 1914 has a 62cm barrel and it shoots incredible flat!
@@AustrianJager That sounds like a very interesting bullet, I have used light bullets in my Mannlicher and they shoot well but they are a single shot proposition due to feeding issues,some of my brands of brass I have to load the shell in the bolt first and put it in the receiver because of the controlled feed and the extractor not able to hop over the extraction notch,I now just stick with my 160gn round nose Hornaday bullets and the carbine feeds like butter.The bore in my gun is like new but I have headspace issues but I cured that by expanding the neck to .277 and sizing it back down to .264 but leaving just a bit of the neck oversize to where the bolt just closes and no more headspace problems and the fired brass is a mirror image of my chamber and brass life is forever instead of two or three loading's.
Sorry for the late reply; my website was interfered with, but it is up and running now. Thank you very much for the kind words; I do have some new videos to be released shortly.
I'm going to Disagree with your comment that the MS rifle production was stopped in 1938 when Germany invaded Austria. I have a MS rifle in 6.5x57 that was made in 1939 but instead of saying "Made in Austria" it has "Made in Germany" stamped on it.
Good point, by 1939 Austria had become swallowed up by Germany so MS must have continued marking their guns but marked made in Germany. My records had shown they quit making them in Austria so your comment would explain that. Thanks again.
The Mannlicher Schönauer was in production until the early 70s, when Steyr changed to the new system of Mod. L, M and S. Then they where called Steyr Mannlicher, not Mannlicher Schönauer anymore!
Just bought one (Model MCA 1961, not the full stock carbine.) Beautiful shape with double-set trigger, iron sights, split bridge, Redding scope rings. 243 Win. 😊
6.5 x 57 was an amazing cartridge. My brother has a 1903-A3 Springfield chambered in 6.5 x 57. she's a woodchuck slayer. Dad used to handled 257 Roberts brass blown out to 6.5. We couldn't find 6.5 x 57 brass.
7mm brass can be necked down -- there is an array of 6.5 bullets out there these days and actual 6.5x57 ammo is available through two, maybe three makers. Thank you for your comment.
Accidentally mixed up my 6.5x52 for 6.5x57.. was a bit confused when the round was not fitting into my Carcano clips :/ Despite the embarrassment I decided to do a bit of research on this round, and honestly I haven’t found much. Your video is the last of the only three videos I found on YT. From what I know, this round is rare in the US, and rifles chambered in it even more rare. Should I save the rounds in case I find a rifle that’s chambered in it? Or should I just get my money back?
If you can't use them, get your money back. The round is not rare -- only unusual in the Americas. It is actually a 7mm case necked down to .264 and easy to find components for handloading when you can't find factory ammo. I believe there are three companies loading it.
I met Bernard at his workshop some years ago, pity you didn't get there as it was a very interesting visit. I was visiting a friend who was his stock-maker, though Bernard was an excellent stock-maker too.
Thank you for your comment, I not only missed getting to the facility (and I had already gone a long distance), but also missing meeting Bernard was the bigger loss I'm sure.
@@rogerrule8195 it was an interesting visit, I especially liked the falling block rifles he had there. However my eyes nearly popped out when I looked at the stock blanks. Pricey but the best wood I have yet seen, and I have seen the best that England has to offer.
Great video. What would be the best source of information on mannlicher schoenauer rifles? Are there books dedicated to these rifles and their variants? I am very interested in getting a ms rifle but I need to research first.
There really aren't any good books I know of for Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles. Old Stoeger catalogs and shooters bibles are your best bet. What kind of questions do you have?
There is a book but I can't vouch for it as I have not seen it, entitled, Mannlicher Rifles and Pistols: Famous Sporting and Military Weapons, by Walter H.B, Smith. The title would suggest that it is covering sporting rifles so it may be what you want. But another great source, is the Blue Book of Gun Values and the research they offer you along with the purchase of one of their books. I hope this helps, they are great guns. It's just hard to find one with its stock comb high enough for scope sights, and with a scope friendly safety. Roger
@@rogerrule8195 The Smith book focuses on military arms and does include some good information regarding the 'Greek' Mannlicher Schoenauers Y1903, Y1903/14, Y1927... and of Ferdinand Von Mannlicher's previous patents and developments but makes only scant mention of Mannlicher Schoenauer sporting arms. Pages 50, 51, and 52 of the 1939 Stoeger catalog offer more information and there is a wealth to be found at NitroExpress.com on their dedicated Mannlicher thread..
Great video, both of you were very helpful... I have a question if you were to acquire a 1908_MS in 7.9x56 or is it 8x56? Would you keep it original and try to find ammo, or would you have it rechambered in something like 6.5x55 or 257 Bob? Thank you, sir, Jim...
That's sort of a loaded question. If the gun is very minty, I would keep it original and find the ammo. I would start with Champlin Firearms in Oklahoma for that. If the gun is a real hunter and has been used frequently through the years (not minty), I would change it to a caliber that fits what I want to hunt and one that is easily available.
@@rogerrule8195 Thank you. The 1908ms rifle is not very minty. The stock has been broken (I think?) and mdified, someone has put an antler base at the end of the foreend and also put a cleaning rod holder in the forend kind of like a muzzleloader has for a ramrod.. The bolt numbers do not match the barreled action numbers but the rest of the numbers on the gun seem to be matching. The bore is pitted, but there is quite a bit of rifling left in the barrel. The outside of the metal is in pretty good shape, other then some scratches put into the barrel, from the person not removing the stock to do the modifications to the stock... Not sure of a gunsmith that would have experience with the MS rifles to rebarrel it into something more usable.. I suppose it would need to be something in the short action family.
Got an MS 1956 in 30-06. My grandfather neglected it. I got to have some work done. Has a set trigger and still works. Great action-very smooth. There seem to be quite a few out there on the internet. I doubt it's anything rare-but I'll clean it up and shoot it.
Yes, you are correct that I did not include the 1914 military version, actually better known as the Hungarian Model. I usually limit my coverage to Sporting models, but thank you for your comment.
I don't like the position of the Bolt Handle. Mauser is quicker to find, and thus I don't see any advantage to the smoother action. I would like a Mauser 98 Action bur with a Mannlicher Magazine.
Hi we have a MS 1910 .375 rimless. I don’t know much about it and Couldn’t find anything regarding it anywhere. Could you please give some insight whether to inherit it or no. If you could please make a video regarding it thank you.
This rifle was made by Daniel Fraser of the Black Isle per the script in this video. It is a very nice piece and a perfect representation of the Fraser of that period.
WWII certainly interrupted the manufacture of sporting arms everywhere. Even here in the USA, Winchester's Model 70 dwindled to a trickle of guns per year during that horrible clash between dictators and champions of freedom.
One notes the popularity of the '98 Mauser is at least in part due to the greater numbers of useful '98 Mauser actions and the deriving lower costs in the surplus world. Secondarily, the 'split ring' of the rear of the Mannlicher action makes it somewhat more difficult to mount a telescopic sight. And the rotary magazine costs more to produce. The '98 Mauser action is a marvelous action for a bolt action rifle. There are no flies on that action. The Mannlicher action is possibly better in that is is smoother. And just 'cooler'. That city in Scotland is pronounced "Ed-in-BURR-ah" or "Ed-in-BRUAH" (the last syllable 'ah' is nearly an afterthought) . Not - as it appears to American eyes and mouths - "Ed-in-BERG" or even "Ed-in-BURR-oh". The people of Scotland wish to thank you for this. The British name for the 7x57mm Mauser was - and is - .275 Rigby. It just seemed to be more salable to the British rifleman. The 6.5x57mm round is, as mentioned 'wildcat' based on the 7x57mm Mauser, in turn deriving from the 8x57mm cartridge. In power, it is somewhat above the .260 Remington (being a .308 Winchester necked down to 6.5 mm, or a 6.5x51mm) and less than the wildcat 6.5-06 (6.5x63mm). It is suitable - with proper bullets - for most everything in the contiguous forty-eight states (I live in the U. S.) with the possible exception of some of the large dangerous bears. It will probably kill a Grizzly, but not suitable for stopping a charge from such a creature. Mr. Rule has an excellent bonnet on the range. Price of the rifle is 'stiff' compared to common U. S. hunting rifles. It is comparable in philosophy to driving a high end Cadillac or better.
OldManMontgomery, Thank you for taking the time to add this information. I agree with nearly everything you stated. In Europe, I don't believe the 6,5 x 57 is considered a wild cat any longer since three commercial ammunition makers manufacture rounds for it. I like the cartridge very much. Roger
Good question, I have since sold the rifle so I have no way of checking the rate of twist now. I suppose if it had not shot well, I would have been more apt to explore the rate of twist.
@@rogerrule8195 Normally the twist rate of the 6,5 x 57mm is 200mm or 7,87" (approximately). You could use bullets up to 154grs, which results in a loooong throat. 😉
That city in Scotland is pronounced "Ed-in-BURR-ah" or "Ed-in-BRUAH" (the last syllable 'ah' is nearly an afterthought) . Not - as it appears to American eyes and mouths - "Ed-in-BERG" or even "Ed-in-BURR-oh". The people of Scotland wish to thank you for this. All that aside, the man has an incredibly sleep inducing voice. However, the substance of his talk is quite to the point and knowledgable. I am rather comfortable in the information. The only correction I would make is of the description of the round, 6.5x57mm (Mauser). Since the round is 57mm long and the U. S. .30-06 Springfield is 63mm long. So the round under discussion is rather similar (not identical or interchangeable) to the rather popular in the middle 20th Century wildcat cartridge, "6.5-06".
Why is Daniel on the show? Don't get me wrong she seems awesome and honestly I'll give her my number any day of the week because I think she's out of sight!! That being said the video is just Roger talking and honestly I think that's all you need here and that way you can just focus on talking about the guns which is why we're all here. Not saying I don't like Daniel as I mentioned earlier, I'm saying maybe this would work better with just Roger...
Who is Daniel? Are you referring to Virginia? She is responsible for converting my presentation into a video. She does much behind the scenes and by having her ask a question or two, even though somewhat elementary, it helps break up the monotony of one speaker.
Unfortunately, I sold this rifle a few weeks after the video came out. I wouldn't have been able to send it to you anyway as I do not have a firearms export license.
As a teenager I dreamed of one day owning a Steyr Mannlicher Schoenauer Carbine. A month ago at age 57 I walked into a local gun store and hanging on the wall looking like the Holy Grail was a pristine 1961 MCA Carbine in 30/06 with single trigger complete with original factory sling. Installed was a set of Redfield scope mounts with a perfect Weaver K4-60b scope with Post and crosshair reticle. I am now a happy man.
Thank you for your comment; you have a super find! That is a very good rifle.
Thank you Sir, as an Austrian and an Schönauer-Collector I have to say this report was a pleasure for me.
Hound, thank you very much for the pleasant comment.
Your Video brought back a lot of memories, I stumbled across a 1903 model at a gun show in Melbourne Australia in 1990 or early 91 from memory, I only got a chance at the rifle because the dealer was late in arriving. I was walking past, and noticed an old case, he was unpacking his wares, I said what's in the case, he said it's an old Mannlicher Schoenauer rifle. I said would you mind if I have a look please, he picked up the case, put it on the table, and undid the straps around the case, and pressed the latches, opening up the case. I nearly fell over, it was a William Evans, London Gun maker's rifle, it had all the Accessories, and Trade Labels, when I got it home, I looked the rifle over further, it even had three original cartridges still under the butt plate trap door, they were very corroded, but it was a Gem to find, especially in this Country, things like that don't pop up very often if at all. I paid $1600 for it, that was a lot of money back then for a young fella, much younger than I am now.
Aloha Harry,
Great story, thanks for sharing and I will agree, you not only got a great gun, but also at a terrific price assuming its condition was still strong and since it was kept with the original case and accessories, my guess is that it was/is. Thanks again for sharing your story of your great find!!!
Excellent history lesson on true classic rifle.
Dreaming of "Silk&Steel".
Three of my shouting friends had a couple of different versions in 30.06, 7x57.
Pieces of true handcrafted history, wonderful shooters.
I just saw a nice one on GunsInternational.com in .243 for under $3000 with the right safety for a scope and the correct scope rings and it had a more conservative factory stock than some.
Along with my 40+ year tutorage and wildcat love affair with .264 caliber cartridges, this is my most desired rifle. I am a very serious mod. 98, mod. 54 and mod. 70 hunter, custom builder and collector. That said, this rifle is the crown jewel of turn bolt actions. Though it is a manufactured rifle, it is my opinion this rifles barreled action and stock is as fine, and can be engraved, as a bespoke rifle. I will purchase any and every one of these rifles I can locate, no matter the chambering. I truly love this most elegant of bolt action rifles. I very much appreciate this video not only for excellent commentary, but to be able to observe the rifle at length.
Thank you Roger.
Thank you for sharing your comments Aaron, and for your kudos. The only fault ever, seems to be the problems encountered in scoping these actions.
I have a 1903 Mannlicher Shoenauer carbine in 6.5 x 54,I load my own ammo for it and use a 160gn.Hornaday round nosed bullet so the gun feeds like its on roller bearings,thank you for showing us your fine rifle and I can tell you are as proud of your gun as I am of mine! I also have a really nice 8mm x56 MS that is also a work of art.Thank you again its nice to see someone who appreciates quality made firearms.
Dennis, your pair are rifles to be proud to own. Thank you for your observation.
I also load for the 6,5x54MS. But i use a custom made, 100 grs. leadfree CNC turned brass huntingbullet with drivebands, made by famous german physicist Lutz Möller. My rifle mod 1914 has a 62cm barrel and it shoots incredible flat!
@@AustrianJager That sounds like a very interesting bullet, I have used light bullets in my Mannlicher and they shoot well but they are a single shot proposition due to feeding issues,some of my brands of brass I have to load the shell in the bolt first and put it in the receiver because of the controlled feed and the extractor not able to hop over the extraction notch,I now just stick with my 160gn round nose Hornaday bullets and the carbine feeds like butter.The bore in my gun is like new but I have headspace issues but I cured that by expanding the neck to .277 and sizing it back down to .264 but leaving just a bit of the neck oversize to where the bolt just closes and no more headspace problems and the fired brass is a mirror image of my chamber and brass life is forever instead of two or three loading's.
Beautiful piece of work, very informative video. Thanks!
Sorry for the late reply; my website was interfered with, but it is up and running now. Thank you very much for the kind words; I do have some new videos to be released shortly.
Great bit of research and history, thanks for sharing! Beautiful rifle btw.
Thank your for your input and for your compliments.
Roger
Beautiful rifle, excellent production and awesome host! I’m subscribing!
Thank you for all three kudos, Jon, and thank you for subscribing.
I'm going to Disagree with your comment that the MS rifle production was stopped in 1938 when Germany invaded Austria. I have a MS rifle in 6.5x57 that was made in 1939 but instead of saying "Made in Austria" it has "Made in Germany" stamped on it.
Good point, by 1939 Austria had become swallowed up by Germany so MS must have continued marking their guns but marked made in Germany. My records had shown they quit making them in Austria so your comment would explain that. Thanks again.
The Mannlicher Schönauer was in production until the early 70s, when Steyr changed to the new system of Mod. L, M and S. Then they where called Steyr Mannlicher, not Mannlicher Schönauer anymore!
Just bought one (Model MCA 1961, not the full stock carbine.) Beautiful shape with double-set trigger, iron sights, split bridge, Redding scope rings. 243 Win. 😊
Congratulations! You found a very good rifle in one of the best calibers for most all-around hunting of medium to medium-big game.
6.5 x 57 was an amazing cartridge. My brother has a 1903-A3 Springfield chambered in 6.5 x 57. she's a woodchuck slayer. Dad used to handled 257 Roberts brass blown out to 6.5. We couldn't find 6.5 x 57 brass.
7mm brass can be necked down -- there is an array of 6.5 bullets out there these days and actual 6.5x57 ammo is available through two, maybe three makers. Thank you for your comment.
As I have said to other reviewers, that action glides. It doesn't slide. I like "silk and steel" as a description. Great review.
Hi EastTexan, thank you for your comment: your description is another good one, that the bolt glides, it does not slide. Thanks again.
Accidentally mixed up my 6.5x52 for 6.5x57.. was a bit confused when the round was not fitting into my Carcano clips :/
Despite the embarrassment I decided to do a bit of research on this round, and honestly I haven’t found much. Your video is the last of the only three videos I found on YT. From what I know, this round is rare in the US, and rifles chambered in it even more rare. Should I save the rounds in case I find a rifle that’s chambered in it? Or should I just get my money back?
If you can't use them, get your money back. The round is not rare -- only unusual in the Americas. It is actually a 7mm case necked down to .264 and easy to find components for handloading when you can't find factory ammo. I believe there are three companies loading it.
I met Bernard at his workshop some years ago, pity you didn't get there as it was a very interesting visit. I was visiting a friend who was his stock-maker, though Bernard was an excellent stock-maker too.
Thank you for your comment, I not only missed getting to the facility (and I had already gone a long distance), but also missing meeting Bernard was the bigger loss I'm sure.
@@rogerrule8195 it was an interesting visit, I especially liked the falling block rifles he had there. However my eyes nearly popped out when I looked at the stock blanks. Pricey but the best wood I have yet seen, and I have seen the best that England has to offer.
Great video. What would be the best source of information on mannlicher schoenauer rifles? Are there books dedicated to these rifles and their variants? I am very interested in getting a ms rifle but I need to research first.
There really aren't any good books I know of for Mannlicher Schoenauer rifles. Old Stoeger catalogs and shooters bibles are your best bet. What kind of questions do you have?
There is a book but I can't vouch for it as I have not seen it, entitled, Mannlicher Rifles and Pistols: Famous Sporting and Military Weapons, by Walter H.B, Smith. The title would suggest that it is covering sporting rifles so it may be what you want.
But another great source, is the Blue Book of Gun Values and the research they offer you along with the purchase of one of their books.
I hope this helps, they are great guns. It's just hard to find one with its stock comb high enough for scope sights, and with a scope friendly safety.
Roger
@@rogerrule8195 The Smith book focuses on military arms and does include some good information regarding the 'Greek' Mannlicher Schoenauers Y1903, Y1903/14, Y1927... and of Ferdinand Von Mannlicher's previous patents and developments but makes only scant mention of Mannlicher Schoenauer sporting arms.
Pages 50, 51, and 52 of the 1939 Stoeger catalog offer more information and there is a wealth to be found at NitroExpress.com on their dedicated Mannlicher thread..
Great video, both of you were very helpful... I have a question if you were to acquire a 1908_MS in 7.9x56 or is it 8x56? Would you keep it original and try to find ammo, or would you have it rechambered in something like 6.5x55 or 257 Bob?
Thank you, sir, Jim...
That's sort of a loaded question. If the gun is very minty, I would keep it original and find the ammo. I would start with Champlin Firearms in Oklahoma for that. If the gun is a real hunter and has been used frequently through the years (not minty), I would change it to a caliber that fits what I want to hunt and one that is easily available.
@@rogerrule8195 Thank you. The 1908ms rifle is not very minty. The stock has been broken (I think?) and mdified, someone has put an antler base at the end of the foreend and also put a cleaning rod holder in the forend kind of like a muzzleloader has for a ramrod.. The bolt numbers do not match the barreled action numbers but the rest of the numbers on the gun seem to be matching. The bore is pitted, but there is quite a bit of rifling left in the barrel. The outside of the metal is in pretty good shape, other then some scratches put into the barrel, from the person not removing the stock to do the modifications to the stock... Not sure of a gunsmith that would have experience with the MS rifles to rebarrel it into something more usable.. I suppose it would need to be something in the short action family.
Got an MS 1956 in 30-06. My grandfather neglected it. I got to have some work done. Has a set trigger and still works. Great action-very smooth. There seem to be quite a few out there on the internet. I doubt it's anything rare-but I'll clean it up and shoot it.
Great gun, clean it up and you will enjoy the action for many years.
@@rogerrule8195 Thanks for responding. Love your videos. Your response has reinvigorated my enthusiasm.
Roger, I have a 1952 MS, is it possible to retrofit the "factory swivel scope mount" to a rifle that doesn't have one?
Yes, there are specialists that can do that -- search for them and ask to see their work before you give them the job.
@@rogerrule8195 Pricey?
The starting price of John Dickson's current production Daniel Fraser Mannlicher-Schönauer is £15,500. Waidmannsheil!
Compared with a Purdey Mauser, that is a very good price! Thank you for your comment.
@@rogerrule8195 Indeed it is a good price.
Sir you did not name the model 1914, made for the greece army!
Yes, you are correct that I did not include the 1914 military version, actually better known as the Hungarian Model. I usually limit my coverage to Sporting models, but thank you for your comment.
I don't like the position of the Bolt Handle. Mauser is quicker to find, and thus I don't see any advantage to the smoother action. I would like a Mauser 98 Action bur with a Mannlicher Magazine.
That would be a great project for a custom maker -- I would be envious of it myself -- good idea!
Hi we have a MS 1910 .375 rimless. I don’t know much about it and Couldn’t find anything regarding it anywhere. Could you please give some insight whether to inherit it or no. If you could please make a video regarding it thank you.
9.5x57
Do not sell it!
@@AustrianJager Oh care to elaborate good sir?
@@AashchryaRathee I have a 9.5 x 57 awsome rifle
it would be nice if you could share some photographs of your rifle@@PowermanZAR
Wow
That is beautiful
I know the gunsmith where this gun came from , I live only 10 miles from it
Very nice wonder who it was made for ?
This rifle was made by Daniel Fraser of the Black Isle per the script in this video. It is a very nice piece and a perfect representation of the Fraser of that period.
these are my great great grandfather rifles
Arthur,
Your great great grandfather had great tastes! Thank you for commenting.
Roger Rule i agree. i wish we didnt lose the place during ww2 though. this production would have continued! thank you for this sir
WWII certainly interrupted the manufacture of sporting arms everywhere. Even here in the USA, Winchester's Model 70 dwindled to a trickle of guns per year during that horrible clash between dictators and champions of freedom.
One notes the popularity of the '98 Mauser is at least in part due to the greater numbers of useful '98 Mauser actions and the deriving lower costs in the surplus world. Secondarily, the 'split ring' of the rear of the Mannlicher action makes it somewhat more difficult to mount a telescopic sight. And the rotary magazine costs more to produce. The '98 Mauser action is a marvelous action for a bolt action rifle. There are no flies on that action. The Mannlicher action is possibly better in that is is smoother. And just 'cooler'.
That city in Scotland is pronounced "Ed-in-BURR-ah" or "Ed-in-BRUAH" (the last syllable 'ah' is nearly an afterthought) . Not - as it appears to American eyes and mouths - "Ed-in-BERG" or even "Ed-in-BURR-oh". The people of Scotland wish to thank you for this.
The British name for the 7x57mm Mauser was - and is - .275 Rigby. It just seemed to be more salable to the British rifleman.
The 6.5x57mm round is, as mentioned 'wildcat' based on the 7x57mm Mauser, in turn deriving from the 8x57mm cartridge. In power, it is somewhat above the .260 Remington (being a .308 Winchester necked down to 6.5 mm, or a 6.5x51mm) and less than the wildcat 6.5-06 (6.5x63mm). It is suitable - with proper bullets - for most everything in the contiguous forty-eight states (I live in the U. S.) with the possible exception of some of the large dangerous bears. It will probably kill a Grizzly, but not suitable for stopping a charge from such a creature.
Mr. Rule has an excellent bonnet on the range.
Price of the rifle is 'stiff' compared to common U. S. hunting rifles. It is comparable in philosophy to driving a high end Cadillac or better.
OldManMontgomery,
Thank you for taking the time to add this information. I agree with nearly everything you stated. In Europe, I don't believe the 6,5 x 57 is considered a wild cat any longer since three commercial ammunition makers manufacture rounds for it. I like the cartridge very much.
Roger
I wonder what the barrels twist rate is.
Good question, I have since sold the rifle so I have no way of checking the rate of twist now. I suppose if it had not shot well, I would have been more apt to explore the rate of twist.
@@rogerrule8195 Normally the twist rate of the 6,5 x 57mm is 200mm or 7,87" (approximately). You could use bullets up to 154grs, which results in a loooong throat. 😉
That city in Scotland is pronounced "Ed-in-BURR-ah" or "Ed-in-BRUAH" (the last syllable 'ah' is nearly an afterthought) . Not - as it appears to American eyes and mouths - "Ed-in-BERG" or even "Ed-in-BURR-oh". The people of Scotland wish to thank you for this.
All that aside, the man has an incredibly sleep inducing voice. However, the substance of his talk is quite to the point and knowledgable. I am rather comfortable in the information. The only correction I would make is of the description of the round, 6.5x57mm (Mauser). Since the round is 57mm long and the U. S. .30-06 Springfield is 63mm long. So the round under discussion is rather similar (not identical or interchangeable) to the rather popular in the middle 20th Century wildcat cartridge, "6.5-06".
You stated this in your previous comment, did you mean to enter it twice?
Roger
Virginia is gorgeous. I'd take the guns, because I already have a gorgeous lady. ☺️
I'm sure Virginia appreciates your flattery, thank you!
@@rogerrule8195 👍🏽
Have 150 6.5x54 mostly Norma for sale cleaned
You might try to sell those on GunsInternational.com
nice :)
Thank you very much.
I still get sick at the fact I sold my father's rifle.
I do, for sure, know what you mean. My sympathies. Thanks for commenting.
Roger
Probably seemed like a good idea at the time, Mr. Wagner. Sometimes long range predictions are difficult to make. My sympathies.
Why is Daniel on the show? Don't get me wrong she seems awesome and honestly I'll give her my number any day of the week because I think she's out of sight!! That being said the video is just Roger talking and honestly I think that's all you need here and that way you can just focus on talking about the guns which is why we're all here. Not saying I don't like Daniel as I mentioned earlier, I'm saying maybe this would work better with just Roger...
Who is Daniel? Are you referring to Virginia? She is responsible for converting my presentation into a video. She does much behind the scenes and by having her ask a question or two, even though somewhat elementary, it helps break up the monotony of one speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Mereckas
They did make some rifles in 1938 & 1939. Instead of having Made in Austria on the receiver they have Made in Germany.
Interesting, that doesn't surprise me, but I did not know that fact. Thank you for sharing. Roger
I have one in 6.5x57. I can send you a picture if you would like to see what I'm talking about.
Excellent video by the way.
I would like to see a photo of it, thank you.
Thank you for the compliment, Roger
sweetie i like this if possible i will send u money can u send me this gun also i have Pakistani
Unfortunately, I sold this rifle a few weeks after the video came out. I wouldn't have been able to send it to you anyway as I do not have a firearms export license.
Poor quality video
Not a nice comment, but you don't seem to be in the majority.