2024 Toyota Land Cruiser vs 2024 Ineos Grenadier: Which Off-Road Icon Is Best?
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Today I compare a 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser to a 2024 Ineos Grenadier!
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Everyone that rides in my Grenadier says it is the coolest vehicle they have ever been in. Outward visibility is excellent for front and back seats.
It's so cool to see that the retro look is coming back from different manufacturers. I like both vehicles with a slight tendency towards the Grenadier. This is what the new Defender should have looked like.
yes this is more utilitarian than luxury
The Grenadier is not an icon yet
Is it true that the IG is about the same length and width as the 5th Gen 4Runner? Need to know garage fitting
Imagine calling ineos an “icon” 😂😂😂😂
Imagine calling a Landcruiser an icon, I’ve owned both the 100 series and the 200 series and both of them gave me no end of grief, especially the 200 series, damn thing nearly sent me broke with one major problem after another. I bought both vehicles for continuous off road work and they just don’t stand up to hard work, Ben has it right with his comment that the Landcruiser is a luxury vehicle mainly used on bitumen with occasional off road ability.
@@richarddickinson7788 your anecdotal experience means very little though
out of the millions, you are part of the small percentage that says lc isnt tough, but really how about i say its 99% bullshit 😂@@richarddickinson7788
Yeah the ineos is too new to be an icon!
@@Yoyomanmanholla might mean little to you, because you were not the one shelling out hard earned cash and getting the run around and absolutely atrocious service from Toyota
I hate how they used a modern shifter from bmw in the ineos!! It looks too out of place and damn near ruins the aesthetic of the vehicle. Other than that I love it!
Great video love your granadier. New subscriber want to see how reliable and robust your suv in the future 😊
I think the Ineos is here to stay. A screen in front of the driver and an electronic sway bar disconnect what I would want. Other than that this thing is awesome. The BMW shifter doesn’t bother me one bit. Of course I am a BMW owner for the last 30 years. One car at my house is always a BMW reliability is very good not sure what people talk about. I’ve had more issues with my Siena mini van than I’ve ever had with any BMW.
I think you pretty much captured it, Ben. The Grenadier will survive Armageddon, the LC will survive kids going to soccer practice. I’m not actually sure which is more brutal - mixed feelings on that. The LC/Grenadier choice was my big dilemma. Love Toyotas, own a couple, pretty sad about the hybrid 4 and IFS on the LC. That was a let-down for a lot of LC owners. So I thought maybe with bumper swaps, lift, upgrades to wheels, tires, suspension, skids - it could give me the best of both worlds. But you forgot to mention the dreaded dealer markup! My Toyota dealer was telling me $10k for LC with premium package - much more to try to land a rare First Edition - so with the mods, I would easily spend as much or more than my Grenadier. And in terms of build and components, Grenadier is WAY tougher - my service guys at Toyota got mine up on a lift and were blown away. They’re both great, but really different, even though there are a lot of visual similarities. On one, you can build it up so it’s decent off-road; on the other, you can tweak it to make it a little more civilized. In the end, I went with my inner 6 year-old. “But I reckon I got to light out for the territory ahead of the rest, because Aunt Sally she’s going to adopt me and sivilize me, and I can’t stand it. I been there before.”
😂😂😂 your joking right?? Toyota is proven reliable durable and tough in every corner of the world for 70 years !!! They are still running like clockwork in Asia Africa Australia America with million miles on the meter with original engines … ineos May look tough but you try getting the ZF gearbox or bmw unreliable engines components when your stuck in Africa or Asia in the mountains desert 🐪… if your life depends on it like in -40 or +50 .. the only car you would choose is LC… you cannot compare 70 years of history to 7 months in Chelsea school run … get Toyota mate ❤
@@Evoque786 we’re talking about the new LC launched in the US - not an old school 70 or 300 that we can’t buy here. And no, I’m not kidding - and neither is my Toyota service team. The new LC is a delicate flower compared to the Grenadier. Frame, axle, steering, transfer case - all are more built out on the Grenadier. And it’s not the old bulletproof The new LC is NOT the same, at all, as what we once had in the US. You have to evaluate it on its own terms - not the legend of the badge. My Toyota service guys call the new one “effeminate.” Toyota fans, and I am one of them, are now forced to make the same hard choices that old school Defender fans have to make - the badge is the same. The truck is not. Say goodbye to the awesome Toyota inline 6, or the glorious 8 of days gone by. Those are dead and gone in the US.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc delusional lol ineos is a new company, its charging a lot. have fun dealing with non existing dealer/part network.
@@octoslutOctoslut - I really don’t want to know the story behind that. Sure, there’s some risk around repairs, but nothing to get all panicked about. I use an independent mechanic for a lot of my stuff - took it in for him to look at and he was like “Damn this is the easiest thing I’ve seen in years.” Even my Toyota guys at the dealership were all getting man crushes and giving me their numbers to do service on the DL. A lot of the parts are high quality standards, not proprietary. So, a little risk and maybe not something that super price sensitive or risk averse buyers should consider. But Ineos doesn’t have huge ambitions - 30k units per year, world-wide. That’s their magic number. Plenty of us who can handle a little risk in return for something like this. You have to remember- just because something isn’t right FOR YOU doesn’t make it a bad idea. Maybe YOU are not the target buyer.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc : kidding aside, I have been in R&D design development for 30 years.. no company in the world do tougher D&R testing than the Japanese..their specifications are amongst the toughest, especially for the powertrain. The material development has progressed tremendously over the last 10years.. the real world feedback into design phase has allowed Toyota to reduce weight, increase modal stiffness whilst maintaining or improving the performance. Ineos looks robust cos their design is still immature and using heavier components with unnecessary weight and strength.. with experience they will get better. Toyota warranty is 10 years or 100,000 miles .. with 12 years paint. Ineos is offering 5 year’s warranty with 60,000miles warranty .. so that tells you the level of confidence or lack of confidence Ineos has in its product. After 30 years of design and development, I can tell you with 100% certainty that 99.9% dealers and their technicians do not have the technical knowledge experience or understanding even close to us who design develop and manufacture vehicles.. proof of the pudding will be 5 years from now :) hope this helps
A test of the Hilux Station Wagon and the Geländewagen Retro.
A defender - land cruiser comparison would be great
One is a TOTOTA, the other is Manchester United…I’ll take the Toyota
Let’s be honest. European vehicles aren’t exactly the best vehicles. I’m with yeah. Toyota has the off road down to a science. Europeans don’t really “off road”. I’ll stick with the Toyota!
Get mic that can remove wind noise
From the looks of his hair blowing that hard I don’t think there is a mic that would help that much.
The bmw shifter on the ineos was a poor design choice
Ben filming a video during a tornado.
Wow that Rav4 is expensive.
"Wow any car with 4 wheels for sale today is expensive."
FTFY
The future vs the past!
Quite happy with my LC200🤷♂️😀
Now THAT’s a real LC! Wish Toyota hadn’t pulled their version of the Defender- but I’m sure it will be a huge hit and they’ll sell a ton of them. I fully expect to see school parking lots full of them at pickup time next year. Stick with the 200 - it’s awesome.
It's a little early to be referring to the Grenadier as an icon.
Land Cruiser all the way
I was hoping to like the new Land Cruiser but seeing it in this video it just looks like a slightly boxier SUV. It’s not as retro looking as I’d been led to believe. Grenadier looks much much cooler.
Both suv good off road
Ineos is the flavor of the month right now because it’s new. I don’t see it lasting in the U.S. long term. It’s more made for Europe than the states. It’s more urban heros like Ben and urban moms.
Toyota has the reliability and dealer network, but the looks of the LC are just so blah. Grenadier looks are gnarly, but concerns about how I get it serviced. Leaning Grenadier when I buy in a few years. We shall see.
Icon - a person or thing widely admired especially for having great influence or significance in a particular sphere. Not sure the Ineos qualifies for this designation.
Heart wants the Grenadier pocketbook can barely afford the Land Cruiser.
They are about the same price fully loaded.
A 4 banger land cruiser 😮😩. Over 60k does this make sense
There is absolutely nothing luxurious about a 4cyl Hybrid or not.
Toyota wins in every single way.. doesn't have crappy BMW parts in it too
I was excited when this vehicle first came out UNTIL I learned about the BMW engine👎🏽
The BMW engine is used by Toyota in a Supra.
@@DMEU77 Also wouldn’t by a Supra or any other vehicle associated with BMW.
You really need an iphone for this wind noise
The side view of the Land Cruiser looks like a Honda pilot
I just laughed coffee out my nose, but now the Pilot visual is stuck in my brain and that’s what I’ll see whenever I drive by one of the new LC’s. Thanks a lot.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc sorry, but what kind of mpg is your new Honda pilot getting?
@@carmas54don’t have one - i have a Grenadier. It’s getting around 17-18 - a little better than I expected
While I understand why the Ineos is so popular, I'd rather have the Land Cruiser, just for the Toyota reliability. I don't trust that BMW engine in the Ineos.
It’s the exact same BMW engine that Toyota selected for the Supra. I agree. Toyota engines are almost always bombproof. In this case, Toyota did the vetting of the Grenadier’s engine for you.
Everyone I speak to say it's double butt ugly! You have to walk up to this thing backwards to get in it!
Ineos is nice especially the proper approach angle, but the BMW engine and ZF automatic transmission make it realitvley unreliable compared to anything deom Japan.
So why did Toyota pick and certify that exact same engine for the Supra?
ZF is one of the best. And the engine is used for Supra.
Toyota center console looks cheap with all that hard plastic. Looks like a cheapo Rav4. Why?
Cost savings
The ineos looks Fantastic
What is a Ineos??? 🤷🏻♂️
Living under a rock, perhaps?
@@Afriqueleblanqno … not many know or care for this pos ineos
some British billionaire decided to Frankenstein a BMW G Wagon/Land Rover for $100k. Ineos is his chemical company.
@@AfriqueleblanqI haven't seen one in the streets as of yet. Unless you're into cars you wouldn't know what it is.
British junk that it is the flavor of the month for urban moms.
The Ineos is really nice except the dash in front of the driver is absolutely horrific, which limits the useful area of the center screen and forces the driver to look to his right when driving. They need a proper dash in front of the driver, really stupid design, as well, the shifter handle looks out of place. Two fails for them. For $90k it should have all the amenities of a luxury vehicle irregardless of it being a multi-use vehicle. The Landcruiser has more, plus Toyota brand behind it for far less, for that money you can do a lot! I don't think the Ineos is going to be better than the LandCruiser off-road in stock trim, not at all. Also, nobody is spending $90k to simply beat the crap out of it off-roading. It will be used more onroad by 99% of the buyers including yourself. Hopefully they give Ineos more luxury and fix that horrific dash to attract a wider audience, omg, can't get passed that dash, just so awful, it looks so out of place. It reminds me of the Nissan Z dash where for years they had given us analog gauges, but then had to place one digital gauge within the cluster, WTF. How does someone look at that and go, hmm, I like it, fits right in to the theme of the car. lol. Have a great day!
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I am trying to put my head around why anyone would purchase an Ineos. They are a brand new company comprised of parts from generally unreliable vehicles. Buying a Range Rover/Jaguar is bad enough and they have financial stay-in power from their Indian owned Tata parent corporation.
I understand the Ineos is "neat." However, its fate is sealed. It will be unreliable, no dealer service network, have horrid resale value, and ultimately collapse.
For a "fun" SUV, the Ineos sounds like a great toy for a few months.
Fighting with your vehicle on a daily basis gets old rather quickly.
The Landcruiser is in an entirely different league for an actual reliable, value-retaining, overall looks and drivability, legendary history, dealer networks, and day-to-day operations.
At face value I like the Ineos but I agree with everything you said.
You need to get informed. Unreliable parts? Like Brembo brakes? Tremec transfer case? Bilstein shocks? Eaton lockers? The B58 (best engine in the world something like 4 out of the last 10 years). ZF transmission (that everybody uses). You’re just lobbing grenades at the Grenadier - don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@ElderStatesman-pi3lc its a new company bud... just cause your burger has best lettuce and A+ grade patty doesn't mean it'll turn out great.
“People can’t afford these high prices” meanwhile people are buying these overpriced novelty toys like Enios for nearly $100,000! Let’s stop pretending the economy is bad and start realizing people are spending like crazy.