ENGINE FAILURE! Tundra Recall This Could Be a Mess (2022 - 23)
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Toyota issued a Safety Recall for almost 100,000 2022 and 2023 Tundra's. Watch this video to get all the facts... this could get a little complicated for Tundra Owners. Let's hope Toyota has a really good plan... so far the Remedy for this recall is still Pending.
The big question is can Toyota get to the bottom of the Tundra Engine failures we have been seeing across the web.
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Years ago scotty kilmer warned that replacing the v8 with this turbo six would be a huge mistake. Looks like he was right again.
I love that guys channel… he cracks me up.
Scotty is never wrong about important concepts/matters. Big mistake. Let Toytoa top management jump on swords....
Scotty called it even before the trucks hit the assembly line that Toyota going from their V8 to the Twin Turbo V6 was going to be a disaster, turbo engines have to be built stronger to handle the extra stress and pressures put on the engines. Plus he also said gas mileage would be worse if you keep kicking those turbos in. Scotty knows his stuff!
That guy is far from right lol,
Scotty warned that replacing the steam engine with a V-8 would be a huge mistake.
True story: I was Toyota Journeymen Expert Technician ( I graduated from the Toyota T-ten technical program in auto service) in Minneapolis from 2004-2009 at a large volume dealership (Walser Toyota) . During my time there they had a crew of 3 master techs that would replace about 2-3 frames a day with a large back log, this is all they did while I worked there during this time. Toyota also only covered the frame any component attached to the frame was on the owners dime so a "free" frame if you met the right dates could still cost you 2k out of pocket. Also the frame recall happened only after Toyota was sued it was not in good faith like many ppl seem to believe.
Guess you could buy a stelantis product. That's an option for you
Toyota was doing a frame job all around the world....... exchange and some times welding up on it.
Aka: my 2007 sequoia that will enviably snap in half at any moment if I even dare look at it in the wrong way, nice to just miss the recall by a month after 3 ownership and never being addressed….Jesus take the wheel..🫡🙏
we had both our 2003 & 2005 frames rust out. We dumped them, but still got 175+miles on both. Our 2014 & 2019 5.7's ran forever, BUT 12mpg was tough.
Interesting because the people that needed frames in our area, were not charged one dime for the frame and any parts that had to be replaced as a result of that. I guess I must just live in a great area.
only way to fix it is to replace it with a 5.7L
Agreed
Should of had a V8 option to begin with.
I'll do you one better. The 5.0 from the LC500
Toyota stopped making the V8 in 2022-ish for the 'merican market. All new vehicles with a V8 is using old, new stock engines stockpiled prior to decommissioning.
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Don't praise toyota too much for doing recalls. Every time i got a recall for my tacoma it was because of a class action lawsuit filed by someone....
The notion that toyota just automatically does the right thing is not entirely correct.
thanks for someone finally calling them out👍
Exactly. They were hit w/BIGGEST fine in US history by NHTSB just 10yrs ago $1B ..for hiding defects ! Ppl should know this. Should've never left Ford trucks. 😪
The "mighty" can't stay on top forever!
@@Davido50I thought a Germany company was the one hit with the biggest. Isn’t that diesel the worst?
Very true ! 5 weeks later and still no parts to do short block replacement. Paying a lease on a truck that I'm not driving... additionally, these scum bags gave me their parts truck to drive until it's fixed because they didn't renew their agreements with budget car rentals. They avoid my calls and never provide straight answers... never again with Toyota
put the V8 back. nobody wants these turbo hybrid crap
That's why I bought a used 2021 a few months back. It has 15k miles 👍
The turbo isn’t the problem.
Apparently 98,600 people wanted the turbo hybrid. 😂
@@nicholaszavala6991there are also the 3,000 Lexus with the same motors.
Ford doesn't have issues with the Ecoboost engine. It's been proven that if you change the engine oil every 5k miles, it's a good engine. Toyota went to the V6 twin turbo to compete with Ford's Ecoboost.
I’ve been posting for almost a year to stay away from the new Tundra. My 2022 blew at 28,000 miles. Toyota was aware of this since mid 2022 and has been covering up the main bearing issue. Toyota will not replace the engine with a long block they provide the dealers with short blocks to rebuild, crazy. The cost of my rebuild was $32,000. Needless to say, I started the Lemon Law claim the same week it blew up. Six months later I received my buyback check. Stay far far away from the new Tundra!
Can u imagine if u were out of warranty 🙈🙈🙈
No one will want a 22,23 or 24 Tundra, at least most of us that are in the know. What a mess, I see the old 4runners, tacomas and tundras go up in price.
And my old Sequoia 🤞🏻
Love my 24 Tundra. But it’s also got 1978 miles on it and hasn’t broken 😂. Of course all this info started spilling out like 2 weeks after I bought it. I’ve changed my oil twice already, really praying that mine doesn’t have any crap in it.
@@LombardoJoe
@@LombardoJoeany metal?
I own from new a 2007 Crewmax. I warned people about not buying this truck when it first came out. They still bought it despite numerous warnings from many corners. Now they are suffering through what I see as basically a self inflicted wound. The manufacturers need to fight back against the EPA, spend advertising money with TV and radio campaigns that trash the disgusting EPA. EPA now destroying our electric grid.
I bet they’re gonna do what should be done to every new vehicle, drain the oil and check for debris! A first oil change at 10k miles is just a disaster waiting to happen
You are absolutely right, 10k miles between oil changes is completely ridiculous, and suggesting that for the first one is criminal.....
The Car Car Nut Toyota Master Mechanic recommends first oil change at 1,000 miles, and it makes total sense for a reason.
I bought the last year for the 5.7 V8 and glad I did. I saw this coming a mile away.
Me to the 21 great truck and toyota is begging to buy it back.
Once all the factory settings and connections are taken apart it will never be the same.
Had multiple issues with my '23 Tundra but specifically engine stall or dead throttle was a safety concern. I kept taking it in multiple times and all they would tell me was that unless I can replicate the issue right at the dealership they would not do anything about it. Opened case with Toyota USA and they told me that legally they are not obligated to repair anything unless I can replicate the issue right infront of their tech. This dead throttle issue was random, and sometimes would happen while I'm pulling out of a subdivision onto a busy road....to me that's a safety concern and I would not compromise my family in it. Swapped it for a '23 GMC Sierra 3.0 Duramax and could not be happier.
That's BS... try are trying to avoid lemon laws claims. Force them to take the car. Leave the keys in the night drop box and get a receipt each time your warranty claim fails.
It took six attempts to get my clicking front left CV axle in a 2017 Prius Prime replaced under warranty... and it had a cancelled TSB about the issue in early production 4th gen Prius/Prime!
Invoking the Texas lemon law got Toyota's attention and it was finally replaced under warranty. Otherwise the vehicle has been perfect.
Great Toyota customer service! Legal and ethical are apparently very different things.
@@Sunset4Semaphores 6 attempts just for an axle? They're REALLY getting tight!
So I’m your case it is definitely to late… I’m glad they are doing this but I feel bad for people caught in the middle of it… that couldn’t have been a good experience.
That's pathetic! The bottom line is all that matters. If they don't have to shell out to help you, they won't. That includes risking your safety.
A new engine for the new Tundra is about $35,000 vs about $8000 for the 5.7. Can you imagine paying that out of warranty. Obscene. I own from new a 2007 Crewmax 5.7. Toyota has lost me. Also time to dismantle the EPA.
@MGMidget73 I know who you should vote for to "dismantle the EPA", and the FCC, OSHA, NHTSA, USDA, NFS, Consumer Affairs, Bankruptcy Courts, ATF, BLM, CDC, Census Bureau, CIA, FBI, Circuit Courts, Treasury, DOT, VA... Do away with all agencies, free markets. Then Toyota could collect your money, no warranty, and say too bad, so sad.
@@Mike-vd2qtpeople always advocate for dismantling the EPA but will also get mad when all the fish die and are poisoned by the chemical companies.
@@Mike-vd2qt Trump 2024! As the great Ronald Reagan once said, the most terrifying words you would hear, I'm from the government and I'm hear to help.
@@markmoore3975 EPA has morphed into a political cudgon. Like the FBI they are a modern iteration of the former East German Stasi.
@@MGMidget73 you didn't go to public schools, public roads, fly on planes, use the internet, don't support police, public fire departments, do you know Ayn Rand? Alan Greenspan? Since you are quoting Reagan, you should know the people that impacted his cabinet and policies. Reagan never cheated on his wife Nancy with a porn star. Since you support Trump, you must never read serious research. Even without research, Trump was a criminal all the way back to his NJ casinos in the 1990's. Everyone around the Tristate area knew he was a crook. He bankrupted numerous family contractors around Philly and NJ, I grew up there and the local papers published it all back then. Read about Trump and Deutsch Bank, read about the African dictator Nguesso and Trump, then Chicago Towers financing. Trump Towers Istanbul, Lev Parnas, Oleg Deripaska, Igor Fruman, never mind vote for an autocrat. Trump's tax cut for corporations added $2.5 trillion debt, that's ok.
This is why an early oil change less than 1000 miles is always good idea on a new vehicle. If your worried about the condition of your engine have an oil analysis done by Blackstone and see exactly how much wear metal is in the oil.
Good advice, you'll sleep a lot better knowing. There are many others that perform this service as well. It's routine with commercial diesel engines.
It doesnt matter. Once the bearings get worn out prematurely its over for your engine. You can oil flush every 500 miles and still have damage from the metal debris.
Replace it with the 5.7 would be a nice result
Or remove the stupid turbos
Lol then your getting about 260 hp@bbc_junior4863
@@kidamere2408 The 5.7 is 381 HP, Torque is 401. However the point is that it's reliable, easier to maintain and most of all it runs.
@@kalbs89 the current engine is a 6cyl he said to remove the turbos and the 8 never came with that option therefore removing the turbos from the 6 is about the listed hp from my original post
@@kalbs89thats not wheel HP or torque. i have a 2019 crewmax. wheel HP and torque is definitely lower than the 381 and 401 as advertised. it is probably not 260 but wheel HP is not 381.
They should of just put the 10 speed transmission behind the 5.7.
If I was one of those owners, I'd probably get the entire outside washed and dried pristinely, and slowly video record the entire exterior of the truck, along with documented how the fitment of the hood over is and all that kind of stuff. Those Techs are not going to be careful with these trucks while doing the recall work, and a lot of those finishes are going to get maimed and marred in the process.
And video it in front of the service manager...
Agreed no truck will be the same after it’s tore apart.
Yes. The recall AND warranty work is only 75% reimbursed by the manufacturer. So the techs that are going to do this work will be the LOWEST PAID ! I am sure that THEY will ensure that the panel fit is of the highest quality. lol
Toyota didn't necessarily step up "on their own behalf" as you give them credit for. because the engine could fail at speed, it's considered a safety issue, thus the NHTSA either requires (or at least pressures) the recall for legal/liability reasons
I am glad that the local Toyota dealer was a smuck, and I never bought the new Tundra last year.
Remedy: make them in Japan, at least you would have workers who take pride in their work….not slobs that are overweight, overpaid, and who don’t care about their job
Or the us again
@@D3AThCAl2DSMy 24 Tundra was made in Texas, my mans.
😂😂😂😂❤
This issue also impacts Japan made vehicles like the Lexus LX.
Why Sushi taste better then McDonald's or what lll😅😅😅😂
Anyone can see the day coming when people will say, "remember when Toyotas were reliable"? This is sad.
Too late! Scotty Kilmer, aka "Mr. Toyota" has already produced several new videos about bad Toyota's, his new video "New Toyota's Are Crap" explains how and why bad things have happened to their once excellent build quality.
Meanwhile, if you own a recent Toyota truck, I recommend that you have your oil professionally analyzed, if it is nominal then you can relax knowing your engine is ok, and it will show that to the next owner.
If its not, it will give you valuable tool to make Toyota replace the engine or buy the vehicle back. Sadly, as many angry UA-camrs attest, Tundra's and new Tacoma's are indeed failing. As of 6/1/24 all new Tundra deliveries have been halted.
Stay away from the new Taco 4 cyl turbos. If you can get a '23 V6 Tacoma at a fair price I'd go for it.
Camry and Carolla owners can relax, they are totally unaffected by any of these YT horror stories!
Its already here. Just overpriced mediocre trucks at this point.
Toyota went woke with the rest of big business in this country. This is how the government is going to slowly but surely force us into electric vehicles. Soon enough we wont be able to get parts for our old but reliable vehicles because of some emissions compliance mandate by a bunch of Idiots who think that greenhouse gas controls how close the earth rotates toward the sun.
. "Toyotas" "Tundras"&"Tacomas". No apostrophe needed.
They must have cut engine line inspectors to increase profits....another good CEO move.....
The only reason you would buy a Toyota is the reliability , now that’s gone .
But CEO bonuses were great for those years...the only thing that really counted....
Don't assume that everyone is getting a new engine it may be a "patch"job.
It is.
That's what they've been doing up till now
Computer reprogramming :-)
Who knows what they'll replace. Metal debris, you want a complete new engine. Also will the remedy change over the course of the replacements??? Too many questions.
I'm guessing they'll just analyze the oil, do a manual oil pressure test, and a magic software update so you'll believe it's fine. This will turn into a huge class action for sure.
There’s been so many issues/design flaws and bad ideas like no tow hooks with this new Tundra. I know if I was with Toyota management I’d be escorting Mr Sweers the head engineer out the door.
so….,Toyota recognized in Feb last year there was a problem. My calendar says it’s May ‘24. This racks of Toyota just waiting to see if they could get away with not recalling the vehicle. The bean counters at work again…..
Toyota should've never made that v6 engine for the Tundra.
They should’ve never made *that* particular engine. It’s been a dog for years, even in Lexus models coming out of Japan. Instead of layering more complexity on top of complexity, I think carmakers could have gone back to simper OHV engines when they started adding turbos. Overhead cam engines are better, since they breathe better, but it’s just pointless complexity (in a much bigger package) once you throw a blower on.
why change something that's great?
All about profits.........
This unfortunately is why I’m so hesitant to even look at a GX550…maybe in 2 years. Keep on keeping us informed!
I’m about to inform my Lexus dealer my decision to cancel my reservation for one myself this week. I have a tried and true 21 Tacoma that is a beautiful truck and paid off. It seems non sensical for me to spend 80k on something that might fail prematurely not to mention insurance costs and premium gas to boot.
My 2022 Tundra SR5 TRD off-road at 20k miles the debris got into the 3rd cylinder and it had catastrophic damage they had to replace the engine and one of the turbos
But, but, but I thought Toyotas been doing turbo engines for decades overseas lol. But but but I thought it was a small percentage of trucks. It’s 100,000 fucking Tundras😂
But but Toyota reliability…. Toyotas are indestructible right?!?!?
This is engine debris that didn't get cleared out at the factory. This has NOTHING to do with turbo engines.
Toyota fanboys are absolutely brain dead
@@ZacharyHankins Those turbos will have major issues in a few years.
@gringoloco8576 Is that a possibility? Sure... Still not the topic of this video. We'll see in a few years.
After the Hyundai/Kia Montgomery, Alabama built 2.0 and 2.4 engine failures you'd think manufacturers would have learned.
Stakeholders dont care. Offshore production to cheap labor countries and fix the garbage later under warranty.
Don’t want the new tundra or the 4th gen Tacoma. What a shame
They just keep squeezing profits out until it fails.....then bring in the cover-up crew , quality and reputation mean little to the "carpet" boys these days.
Toyota will only give a short block and the dealership tech will need to remove, strip and rebuild the short block! The problem with that is the quality of the repair will vary with the technique of the mechanic? Along with the storage of painted body parts while removed from body of vehicle? This is as bad or worse as the frame recall! Look at video or still photos of tech pulling motor on Tundra or Lexus and see how parts are laid on floor for reassembly? There is no room or storage at dealerships for this kind of repair! Plus with a short block the tech will be rebuilding this block with contaminated oily parts from original motor? I think someone screwed the donkey here!
Yeah, and the mechanic will only be paid so many hours to complete the job, and if it's not enough they will rush. The better more experienced mechanics will probably avoid the job. Sealants won't have enough time to cure before the engine is started...
That is why I think they will not offer any new block, just an oil test and hope the truck lasts until the warranty ends
I saw this coming, I just wondered when exactly.
Yeah, I am glad they are doing it... it is definitely a bummer... but I would rather have a recall then have a truck from one of the manufacturers that just sticks their head in the sand and pretends nothing is wrong...
Ray Charles saw this coming bubba!
@@user-kq7gi7eh1s lol too funny
@@OutdoorAuto toYota is well known for sticking their head in the sand and pretending nothing is wrong. This won’t be on the news
I would bet that the 2024 has the same issue. but Toyota doesn't want to issue a STOP SALE order yet. Sales are already down substantially. and they don't want them to completely. Toyota had better issue complete crate motors to their dealers. As it stands, I've seen reports of people getting their Tundras back with scratched & damaged body parts and Toyota is saying to take it up with the dealer.
Toyota's frame recall was a joke because if it wasn't falling apart, they sprayed it with undercoat and called it good. If it rusted though later, you were out of luck.
I'm a long time Toyota fan, but I think this is going to be a much bigger issue than they are admitting to.
The shitty thing is, if metal was circulating though the oil, you have to replace basically everything the oil touched.
@@Robert-un3cf That's why they should be installing complete crate motors. There's about 1,500 Toyota & Lexus dealers in the USA. That means on average, each dealer would be responsible for 70 engines. Good luck on that.
What about Sequoia? Aren’t they the same engine? Presumably from the same engine plant?
They are all hybrids, not included, yet...
And you still believe the Indestructible Toyota propaganda. That Indestructible titel stoped in 2005 when greed took over .All at the expense of consumers.Being the biggest comes with big responsibility. Unfortunately Toyota failed in that lately.
@@fhclappen8595 2005? I guess my stock 2006 with oe motor an transmission with 350k didn't get the memo.
We’ve owned 2 forerunners and 2 tundras in the past 10 years and they’ve been rock solid. We have taken good care of them though.
I am so happy to have my 2015 Silverado, double cab, 4X4. I do have the cylinder deactivation but no issues with mine. My mechanic of 44 years experience stated that doing the longer oil change intervals is what was causing a lot of the lifter issues with the cylinder deactivation. He said to change it every 5 thousand miles instead of the long oil intervals that Amsoil, Mobil 1 and a few others say you can do but change your synthetic oil every 5 thousand times miles and your less likely to have an issue. Please keep in mind, I have never done long oil change intervals nor do I ever plan too. I have 103,000 on my truck that has been trouble free. I did have a few recalls for the software updates but that's it.
Scotty Kilmer says that Silverado is worst truck ever made. EVER
@@jjohnson8977 Scotty Kilmer says a lot of things and changes his mind
Great. Good to hear. Keep up with the maintenance and ignore what the Internet says. The issues w/DoD are overblown.
So If it doesn’t add the 24, that means they fixed it. If they fixed it, then they knew about it and kept selling the older models hoping folks wouldn’t complain. And because so many folks are complaining they decide to do a recall?
Friend of my has a 2023 Chevy Silverado with failed 10 speed transmission dealer has had it for almost 3 months waiting for transmission.
In the near term - 2022 & 2023 Tundra resale values will take a hit.
I have HEARD that some dealerships were not taking any 22 and up Tundras as trade in either.
I was a long time flat rate dealer tech. Had to leave the business due to warranty dependent, recall plagued junk, we had to turn our customer pay vehicles away and send them too independent shops.
Thank the Lord that back when these NEW Tundra's rolled out, I was smart enough to keep my 2019 Tundra TRD PRO. You couldn't buy that truck from me at any price. Well maybe, but you know what I mean. Just so relieved that I did not pull the trigger on one of those new POS Tundra's.
I received a recall notice (Fuel Pump), on my Honda Ridgeline in January. They have no idea when the fuel pump will be available. I called the corporate customer service and they said maybe next year. Total 🐂💩
Idk what there thinking in CA you can't get your vehicle registered if not fixed. My gf registration is expiring soon and no availability for fuel pumps it's passing 6 months now since the recall.
Keep on downsizing engines in full size trucks and start putting in turbos that run gasoline turbos and you will be having problems
In my opinion, Toyota took exceptionally good vehicles with engines known for long-term reliability - their naturally aspirated V-6 - and ruined their reputation going to the four cylinder turbo. Sure, it gets better mileage driving around town and they can claim better mileage, but for everything else, everthing that matters, that engine is a BIG step back. I would purchase a 2025 with the old V-6 or even a larger V-6.
Seems like any vehicle built during the Covid years had a significant drop in quality control. Maybe a coincidence but something happened to quality across the board from 2020-2023.
Toyota didn’t step up. They got caught.
Toyota should have kept the V-8! What a mistake they made with this change!
I went and test drove a 24 Tundra today. I have never heard an engine that is supposedly good sound so bad. It sounded like a 3 banger that lost a bearing. No storage... im 6' 3" and barely fit. The saleguys were nice but they were trying to sell me on it being the best light duty truck for towing. My 2020 Ram 1500 is far better.
The 2017 Tundra just became the most valuable Tundra. It was the last one before the problematic TSS system (not the off-road package) was introduced.
I’m so happy I bought one before this all happened😂
No… most valuable is any pre-2022. Nobody’s specifically searching for 2017 models. Just the V8 Gen 2.5.
@@gaffle-411 Oh they most certainly are. Don't fool yourself.
What is TSS System? Thanks
@@dasfahrer8187 let me guess, You own the 2017 model right? 🙄
I've been telling people for years now how Toyota's quality has slipped since the early 2000s. No one listened..Now this. 😂 I went through 3 Toyotas, finally learned my lesson.
It’s called lack of QA inspectors not verifying, the engine block is clean from any debris Toyotas quality has gone downhill in the last few years it’s like the government motto lowest bidder highest quality parts does it mean it works? It sad that Toyota‘s reliability has fallen but bottom line turbos are not the solution but maybe hybrids are for now
its called lazy people building junk motors on purpose because they knew they could get away with it and not get fired...THAT IS WHAT IT IS
@@ssnerd583 that’s one part the other part is cheap parts from substandard suppliers as well
Thanks for all the updates on this. I've been saving up to buy a new Tundra for a few years. This was going to be my first new car. I'll be hanging on to my 07 A4 hatch till ole Betsy's belly flips.
No, no, no! Toyota is the King of reliability! Fan boys said, all are bullet proof! You are lying!!
"The remedy is currently being developed" Translation: The bean counters are figuring out if this will bankrupt the company.
And what "Band-Aid" they will apply to get out of this.
Wow! Metal debris in the engine? So much for toyota’s quality. Not so much.
This is the reason I tried to bypass all this trash by buying a new “outdated”2023 4Runner…in order to get something completely made in Japan with hopes it wouldn’t have these types of problems. I guess we’ll wait and see.
Bought a 23 Nissan Titan pro4x V8 instead since my last 14 Nissan Xterra was reliable for 10 years.
NIssan makes a great 5.6 V8 they even use it in race cars.
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Listen , dont try to drag any other automakers dwn here along w/Yoda. Toyota had the LARGEST FINE in US history..$1B by NHTSB for HIDING defects just 10yrs ago. They are a 2nd tier truck builder for good reason.
Thanks for putting out the word, I’ve got a 23, just ran the VIN and nothing for this came back, at least yet. I’m anticipating a mailer sometime in July like you said.
Yeah, these initial press releases are probably before they even update their database... so make sure to check your VIN again in a couple weeks.
It’s tough to do something like being sure that all of the machining debris is cleaned out after building stuff for 100 years
It will never be the same after forcing a tech to replace these engines on flat rate
So glad I sold my 23’ Tundra Platinum and my 24’ Tundra TRD Limited. Driving a 24’ GMC AT4X with the 3.0L DuraMax. It’s been incredible so far.
How much of a loss did you take on the 24 limited? I have the same truck now.
@@armando2004 Less than $1000. I bought it on March 8th $500 below invoice no sales tax 59,500. Put 3200 miles on it sold it for $58,600.
@@mdoneg wow, not much of a loss at all.
@@mdonegwhoever bought it probably feels like poo now. All the warnings were out there but ignored… Egg on face.
come back at 300000 miles with a review
They evaluate the cost of recall, compared to lawsuits. Unfortunately they go with which would cost the least.
From what I have seen the engine replacement/rebuild requires the body to be LIFTED OFF THE FRAME! I for one don't have enough faith in the dealer techs to expect the thing to work correctly after they have basically removed the cab from the truck
Like Ford.Not to mention I saw under the hood of a twin turbo LC300 that also is prone to the same issue and it was VERY complex. No longer the simple Land Cruiser of the past.....
I passed on the Tundra because of its departure from the V8. Looks like I did the right thing.
Toyota has been riding on the reputation of its name more than anything else for over a decade now.
They are not what they were in the 80s or 90s by a long shot and there is a reason that most construction companies or fleets that use and abuse trucks the most will not use them.
It is not just the price.
Fleets that experiment with them don't have good results.
The average American consumer that buys a Toyota usually is a more reserved driver and usually does more maintenance than the average owner of of other brands.
the Toyota truck name at this point is just that....a name and its hyped.
The American market does also not get the same product that Australia, Japan and the middle east does.
as far as the American market trucks go I work at a ford dealership and we have more tundra's being traded in for new F 150s more than any other truck at the moment and tacos being traded for rangers.
And all of these tundras and tacos are only 2-5 years old and falling apart everywhere and they have dismal mpgs.
Say or believe what you will.
Many people are loyal to a brand but it is what it is.
Ford converted me from a GM and Toyota guy after working fleets and seeing what lasts and withstands the most abuse in the past decade.
Ford is #1 in that area currently.
Are they perfect?
None of them are, especially after the pandemic.
Ford however is the best option offered atm.
Ford has QC issues and recalls at the moment, and is not as popular in Qatar as Chevrolet/GMC is. I agree with you about Toyota though....
This can't be true. I'm a Jeep owner and every Toyota owner tells me my jeep is garbage and unreliable.
Me too and I have the 4.0 equipped Jeep.
They are being douches. Toyota owners take a class in douchery.
Your jeep if it is newer then 2006 is garbage and was designed for soccer moms. Apartanty the newer Toyotas are as well. The two issues are not mutually exclusive as both brands can put out crappy products.
That’s the case still compared to older Toyotas 😂
Toyota lover, current Jeep owner. No delusions about the quality difference. Toyota is better - almost every component better.
My jeep has better infotainment and is nice - but not better quality
I think the issue is quality control since the tundras are being build in the US. When the 1st gen came out it was hated with a passion, now its one best trucks, 2nd gen was also criticized, like all tundras have been, i hope i can change the way u view this topic but it is what it is… i must remind you that toyota has been putting turbos in engines for a while now , mainly outside the US as well in some older land-cruisers. And now in the new ones obesely …
But ill take quality control “hopefully” issues over bad engineering or poorly designed engines.
My 2023 tundra now has 40k miles, no issues, I got it in November of 2022.
Yes theres things i don’t like about my tundra, but so far its been good to me
I'm happy Toyota has caught onto the trend that you can produce poor quality vehicles that nobody wants.
I called customer service. They told me there’s not fixed yet however if I wanted to rent another vehicle, they’d pay $60 a day! if I didn’t feel safe.
Thanks for sharing this update... good for people to know.
Wait a minute..they don't even sell 100k Tundras a yr..for good reason. 🤔
I am so excited for the platform pros and cons because this is something I’ve done a ton of research on on my own and I never see anyone else doing this and I can’t wait for those videos
That is an insane amount
Crazy
I think the new tundra looks great
Too bad they have that big issue
Lets hope they can fix the issue permanently
So you should love the new Tundra. It will make a great static display in your driveway for others to admire.
Mine is a Lease.. hopefully they'll let me out of lease early and I can get something else.
Regret buying my 2022 tundra . Looking into Toyota civic. Been doing research on multiple cars. Seems most reliable. No problems so far . What ever you do don’t get anything with turbo . No volks or Subaru either.
If you are affected by this, Hang in there... and if you get any updates or have actually had an engine failure feel free to comment anything that could help each other out. I love my Toyota but they aren't perfect... but the community can maybe make it a little better.
But honestly 98,000 that’s a pretty small group. Could be more or less, we will wait and see.
@@Kcdaniel88They sold 104,000 Tundras in 2022 and 125,000 in 2023. So no, that is quite a lot! 98k is just under half. And they may extend the recall to more- check the Tundra subreddit - a 2024 Tundra blew up…
Me personally I don’t trust subreddits but it could have totally happened. At my dealership we have only had 5 engines replaced since they have been released. Miles ranging from 8k-50k.
@@Kcdaniel88 me personally don’t trust stealerships to tell the truth
There aren’t any technical instructions yet - therefore we aren’t sure what they’re replacing or repairing. And it doesn’t include the HV models either… yet.
If I owned one of these I would be cutting the oil filter open to check for metal chips and any bits in the oil.
I feel for the poor customers who own these vehicles. Another good example to lease or PCP instead of buying a car outright .
I benefited from the frame recall on my 95 1/2 tacoma after driving it for 12 years. They paid 150% of the value. Toyota took care of their owners. This too will pass.
I agree with you… I feel bad for people in the crosshairs but Toyota has shown a willingness to make things right.
No, it's their lawyers trying to head off lawsuits. Your giving Toyota to much credit.
Yes. It sucks. But still not as bad as my last GMC truck experience. Not even close.
And i thought my Subaru Forester Thermo Control Valve replacement was a hassle. This Toyota problem sounds terrible and much worse.
This is why the Tacoma is so expensive to help pay for all the Tundra engines. Toyota has been making the dealers replace the engine using a short block.
If I was interested in getting a 2024 Tundra...not anymore. Engine failures on the 22 and 23 models? That is going to spook a bunch of people from buying 2024 Tundra models.
What will pay for the Mexican turbo Taco if it fails too? The Toyota Stout?
These new tundras are designed,made,and assembled in America what does that say about us
@@randumdude5824 It says we stink, built in red states, with poor work ethics.Keep bashing Mexico though. Sound like a Trumper. just saying.
@@randumdude5824 it is a design issue i believe. instead of individual main bearing caps they went with an all in one design. i think that is the failure and using machining waste as an excuse to cover a poor design
2022 Tundra with 19k miles. Engine failure today. They say they are going to replace the engine. I’m afraid the truck will never be the same. I’m pissed!
i Once bought a brand new 2008 silverado truck from a local dealership, It blew the engine at around 12K miles. The reason behind it was there were 3 solenoids that controlled oil flow to the cylinders that failed. No engine warning lights or anything. The dealership did replace it at no cost to me but it took them almost a month they had my truck to replace. I will say after i got the truck back it never seemed to have the same power it did before. Ended up trading it in after only 2 and half years for Dodge (which i also had issues with) 3 years after the dodge i got my Tacoma 2014 going on 11 years with it now and no issues at all.
That year had oil consumption problems and the manufacturer went bankrupt...Did you have oil consumption issues prior to the engine failure. I heard the problem was partially corrected in MY11 middle...
Its not like those metal particles could travel to the cylinder heads. I guess they are smart particles that know they are only allowed in the crankcase
At least they are trying to do something about it. Subscribed
Recalls happen, its how the manufactuer treats their customer that make the difference.
My quess is they have you bring your vehicle in do an oil analysis if it comes back bad they will make a future date to replace the short block. If it comes back good they do an engine flush then new oil change and you are good to go.
Yeah… that’s where it will get interesting… I can imagine a lot of not being happy with just a flush…
An oil analysis won't show anything of value. The engine is chunking itself not wearing.
How many oil changes did some of these engines go through already? Plus the oil is passed through a filter anyways. Unless it grenades before the first oil change these engines are blowing up due to design issue, not “machining debris”.
@@Lq32332 I wonder if it isn't a crankshaft warping issue after so many heating and cooling cycles. They advertised in this design a lightweight crankshaft. I have seen this engine under severe load without failure or problems. You are correct that the filter should catch any debris before it hits the main bearing. It could be possible on that debris from manufacturing was after the filter which damages the main bearing then it was caught by the filter. After damage was done it takes time to be catastrophic. That type wear from a damaged bearing would show up in the filter and possibly oil test IMHO.
I would like to see the oil flow priority setup on this engine.
Where's all the fanboys at?
Driving a 07 fj and 21 tundra
On the bright side, people get a new engine. I’d be thrilled if my old Fj had a recall like this to be totally honest 😂. I would also be thrilled if this happened on a newer vehicle with 30-50k on it. It’s like rolling back the hands of time on your vehicle to a certain extent.
Find a dealer with a reputable group of mechanics. After a few of them they will get decently quick at the job, and you’ll get a warranty on the engine. You’ll also get a new turbo, because those are definitely compromised by the metal contamination.
Theres a bright side to this kind of thing.
I really tried convincing my mom not to get the third gen tundra and get a 2021 1794 edition. Warned her that this is a brand new from the ground up engine and we don’t know what problems may occur. She refused and was hard set on getting a new truck at the time. Didn’t think it would be this bad though. I just checked her vin. Hers was made in 8/23. Does she qualify for the recall? She also cancelled her extended warranty. 🤦🏻♂️
sometimes parents are as stupid as toddlers
I have a new Toyota tundra 24 hybrid max. The amount of shutter while I am towing and just general driving is disturbing I have brought it to corporates attention have a special tech come out and try to tell me it’s normal. Then drove with him with a trailer which they can’t test with a trailer, total bs as most truck guys pull equipment. He felt the shudder and said I will have to ask around. At any point it feels the drive train could drop out, something isn’t right and Toyota seems to not want to acknowledge it. Disappointing considering by 12 tundra has 330k miles and rock solid.
Same issue with the hyundai and kia 2.0 turbo engines. Metal shavings caused many many engine failures.
Its not any fun to go through, especially with a brand new very expensive vehicle
Own a 2018 Honda Civic since new(non turbo). Honda warranted the ac compressor seal beyond normal warranty. It was recently fixed for no cost (48,000 miles). Honda customer for life!
Clearly a lack of quality control issue. CLEARING debris is a no brainer in engine machine work.
For a $50k+ truck, quality cannot be expected and relied on, even for Toyota.
Made in USA has negative connotations and means nothing anymore.
I got a 2024 so I might have dodged that bullet. I'll be testing my oil to check for presence of excess metals.
Some Hyundai/Kia engines seem to be having the same problem. I wonder if they share crankshaft supplier ?
There were over 200K Tundras sold over those two years. How did they come up with only 100K to recall? If they knew enough at the time of manufacture to know there was debris only on certain engines, why did those 100K go out the door?
Unfortunately the days of Toyota being the best in durability and longevity is over. Over worked, forced air, small engines is the solution nobody asked for. Just another over complicated, over engineered, sloppily assembled mess like everything else out there now.
This is a similar issue that Hyundai had with their 2.0L and 2.4L engines. Sad Toyota has this.
Thanks for the update. 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Toyota will "remedy" things right as they always do to take care of their costumers! They built their company from fixing problems right the first time permanently! The frame issue , for me, was an obvious fix that cost 1 dollar for a simple tube of caulk. One specific hole in the frame was in a bad spot on the wheel well and water would shoot in the frame. I saw the tiny issue and fixed it the first week I had the truck. Toyota over corrected this tiny defect by replacing tons of frames on costumer vehicles. They went above and beyond to help costumers as they always strive hard to do!! I probably could have gotten a new frame but the one dollar fix kept my truck safe!
When you mentioned the old frame issue Im surprised you didnt mention that they completed coated these new frames so that is almost guaranteed not to happen again. And I dont even drive a toyota
Dude that Atlanta wall art is sick