Michael Caine's Alfred: Caring, supportive and a true confidant. Jeremy Iron's Alfred: Authoritative, supportive, but gettin real sick of your shit Master Wayne.
Rez replying to your comment YES I’ve been desperate to find similar shirts that he has, Even emailed the costume designer for this film to get some info on his suite.
@@nailmontana1993 Martin Scorsese says superhero movies are theme parks. So yes, everything's changed. The fever... the feeling of helplessness as an entire nation dismisses superhero movies as shallow caricatures, no longer a respected cornerstone of cinema.
Yoo Hoo you twelve? Who the fuck says nibba? Either say the word or piss off. Acknowledging a film doesn't make it good, I watched this clip cause it showed up on my home page. The writing is shit and so is the plot. If you like it, then fine. But their is no comparison between this and marvel, this is a joke.
So much talent wasted into a cold killer Batman. If Batman be smarter and actually respect his 1st rule, i would love that Batman. But he's just like "gnegne SuPErMAn sAvED Us aLl iMmA KIlL HiM and ImMa sTaRt KliLLin cRiMINAls". Fuck it that's not Batman.
@AP25H I have but that shouldn't be the first version of batman we're introduced to. He is very clearly an anti hero in those comics and it wouldn't make sense for batman to be so ruthless like that. In the dark knight trilogy and comics you really got a sense of batmans ideals. He believes everybody can be saved so he decides to save Gotham while someone like Ras Al ghul or bane thinks it should just be eliminated entirely because it is beyond saving. Batman believes nothing and no one is beyond saving it's such a core element to is character that made the plots of the movies and comics so engaging. Even in Frank Miller's movies you won't see him using guns although he is much more ruthless he never really killed anyone. Batman is really just like the punisher not a hero in BvS
@AP25H yes I know batman used to kill in his early days and if you want you can cherry pick examples of him killing in comics but you can not deny that it is a fundamental value that Batman doesn't kill. And it makes Batman a much more interesting character as he struggles to hold on to his own ideals
I get what your saying about atmosphere...they nailed it on that front. It was the script that was shit...and the script ultimately makes or breaks a film
The tone of the movie was spot on. Serious. The only problem, and not a minor one at that, was the script that took too long to develop the characters and not in the best way. To start this serious to just jump into giant monster in the last minute was wrong.
This is an absolute peak take on the characters of Bruce and Alfred. I could write a whole thesis on these two, their motivations, behaviors, and the way the interact. In my opinion, flawless planning and execution by Snyder. A man broken to what he thinks is beyond the point of return, and the man who raised him, refusing to give up on him, believing that deep down he can still use his gifts for good. Beautiful. I'll never get over it.
And you can't beat the fact that Bruce made coffee for Alfred in the morning. Its said so much just with a short scene. Everything of Bruce and Alfred in this movie is perfect.
This is Alfred literally saying that Batman is going to far. This is where this movie acknowledge that Batman has changed and doesn't care if people die from his hand. Later Batman redeems himself after Superman sacrifices. Superman gave him hope after he lost his (possibly after Robin's death). WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND??!!!
it isn't, people just wanna hate, and it's easier to do so by purposefully misunderstanding and/or downplaying key themes in the movie or even mocking them. that's how the internet be, sadly.
0:31 Prototype of Batman's cowl with tactical goggles that he wears in Justice League. Zack Snyder had everything planned out & each movie would've uncover more & more.. I really want to watch his DCEU till the end...
I was looking for a comment to confirm if I was right. It sure as hell looks like a prototype for the Justice League cowl. Snyder made a point of including a line in this movie about how Alfred couldn’t get the cowl to work, and then they even call back to it at the end of Justice League, where they call attention to Alfred finally handing the cowl to Bruce.
It's in the movie. What do you think the blue glowing lights were in his cowl? For real the suit was super strength enhanced with the goggles built into the armor. Do you think Bruce didn't manufacture a full supersuit to fight superman? He's going against someone with laserbeams and X-RAY VISION. Too be able to see him coming is detrimental. This suit was ripped off the Dark Knight Returns suit in the comics. Also proof that Bruce knows about the X-ray vision in this movie is that he uses gas grenades that release gas with lead in it. Snyder wasn't building up to the next movie here.
I love the callback to The Dark Knight Returns when Bruce says "We're criminals Alfred, we've always been criminals" straight lines from TDKR I love it
@@nvlik An anti-hero doesn't have a moral code and is willing to kill in the name of Justice. Batman on the other hand, does have a moral code which includes never taking a life under any circumstance
"That's how it starts. The fever, the rage. The feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel." An obvious show of concern from Alfred to Bruce, but I found that line especially powerful because I think it hits close to home for some of us. We've suffered injustices, but how far are we willing to go for retribution? I can't count how many times I've wished ill upon or even planned to get even with people who have wronged me or my loved ones in the past when I was powerless or not there to stop it. I loved this scene, and not just for the chemistry between the actors and how well it was written, but also because of how much I could relate to Bruce.
You're definitely not alone in this buddy back then I never understood why Bruce is the way he is why he chose to become batman to begin with and the first time I saw this scene I didn't think anything of it but now I really really really understand all of it why Bruce is how he is and why he's batman 2020 has been difficult on all of us to say the least but for me specifically I personally had to suffer working for an extremely heartless careless evil abusive manipulative psychotic and horrible monster named Jason he bullied me abused me treated me like garbage for 2 years he even nearly destroyed my work and personal life affecting my parent's lives as well and what's worse is he enjoys and loves doing those things to good honest and real people I'm just one of the many he did that too not to mention he was one of my best friends but in the end he betrayed me for no reason luckily my folks became aware of what was happening and pulled me out of that job for good now I'm free and have been loving that freedom ever since
But it gets worse because of how he treated me I became tremendously angry hateful and vengeful and instead of moving on or focusing it all on him at the time I misdirected it on some one I truly love respect and care about she was a very good friend of mine always so sweet kind friendly humane awesome compassionate beautiful and just an all around great person just like super girl but the tremendous emotional impact that came after losing her feels very similar to how the death of Bruce's parents impacted him and all of that heartbreak pain depression guilt and psychological trauma that monster gave me that too losing her just really amplified all those emotions 1 million times more and the rage vengeance hatred I have for "him" and for every other monster who has wronged me and treated me horribly in the past is still in there deep down inside of me and I also think about making them really suffer and pay for what they did to me as well but that's why Karma exists it does the dirty work for people like us and all we have to do is watch and enjoy
@@brucewayne9507 I'm just glad you had the strength and courage to lay it all on the past; a part of me even wanted you to get back at him, but I guess if I tread that path I'd be far too stubborn up my ass to turn the other cheek.
The chemistry between Irons and Affleck is insane. You can almost feel the disdain Alfred has for Bruce's current antics, and the anger with which Bruce is making his crusade. But they don't hate each other. You can tell they're still friends and Alfred will help Bruce even if it means that Bruce ends up breaking his code.
Starting from 01:20, is just MAGIC. If you TRULY love Batman, nobody can't deny the awesomeness of that moment, the music, the pace, the looks on both Bruce and Alfred... My god, is incredible, is SOOOOOOOOOOO like the animated series and the comics. I'd kill to see a Zack Snyder Batman movie... :(
We're criminals, Alfred. We've always been criminals. Nothing has changed. Oh.... yes it has sir. Everything has changed. Men fall from the sky The Gods hurl Thunderbolts Innocents die. That's how it starts, sir. The fever The rage A feeling of powerlessness That turns good men.... CRUEL.
Just have him copy and paste Dark Knight Returns. It’s clearly his favorite Batman comic, as evidenced from the dialogue ripped from the pages and slapped into BvS. I wouldn’t trust him to do anything original though.
People do keep forgetting that both this Batman and Alfred are adapted from the dark knight returns iterations, so that’s why this Batman is more violent and authoritative, and this Alfred is supportive but critical too like in the comic. I really wish we could’ve gotten more outta these two actors in future films, cause Alfred isn’t just the butler to Bruce Wayne, he’s his equal too, hence the part where we see Bruce make Alfred coffee for a change, which is a nice touch that I personally like.
@@miadatenshi9903 he literally did he killed a man to stop a little girl from getting hurt and he killed the joker near the end aswell he denied he did it but there are clues that proves he did
@@gmanzano89gm as i was going to st. ives i met a man with 7 wives... every wife had 7 sacks, every sack has 7 cats, every cat has 7 kittens kittens sacks cats and wives, how many were going to st. ives?
This is what was sooooooooooo god damn good about this film, was the Bruce Wayne and Alfred scenes! Their chemistry on set was electric! Loved that part. I was generally terrified of the Batman in this film. Which made him even more awesome! No disrespect to Christopher Nolan's Batman, as that was one of my all time favourite trilogies, but this Batman takes it to a whole new level. I am so pumped up for the solo Batman film! Hope it has this sort of edge to it.
This movie is an art piece The aesthetic , score, sound design, casting, it's so unique the world wasn't ready Justice league was cookie cutter , too much studio interference
I like all the DC extended universe films including original Justice League but *FUCK WARNER BROTHERS FOR USING A FAMILY TRAGEDY TO RUIN A DIRECTOR'S VISION*
At, 1:30, Alfred spoon-fed the audience the reason why Bruce turned bad, and yet most of the critics decided to forget those lines when criticizing that the movie didn't explain the change. Sure makes you wonder about their integrity if they constantly missed something so simple while reviewing other movies...
DC always get their teeth kicked in by reviewers. The same critics that can't make enough excuses fast enough when people turns on marvel, or just disney at large. Not that the movie is without its flaws, but you can see the preferential treatment right way. Also #releasethesnydercut
@@wurmrave6831 The movie you want wouldn't have made sense because BvS showed the Metropolis incident as the snapping point, not Robin's death or any other reason.
Still not enough though, Batman had been more broken before. Like in the Dark Knight Returns, he's old, tired, and way more brutal with criminal but still doesn't kill
“Everything’s changed” “The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness...it turns good men cruel” Literally SHOUTING at the audience as to why the Batman kills. Even Alfred is scared of what Bruce is becoming, and is disappointed in his decision
@Austin Griffin people use to marvel movies. They don't understand superhero movies that actually have meaning behind the characters lol. They too busy waiting for a joke
@@spectrexr1 can u explain what alfred say dude? I dont understand it by "thats how it started, the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness, that turn goodman cruel" its like theres more meaning behind these words
@@esdeathchan4354 Dude became brutal, violent and crazy batshit after 20 years of insanity in Gotham. And superman event triggered it. Dude start killing/branded criminal. Seeing a god among man being like superman fighting zodd, leveled the city, innocents civilians died, make him feel powerless, can not do anything against a godlike being like superman, cannot save people from dying, hence this movie event : Batman manhunting supes, to kill him. The rage blinded bruce, a misunderstanding, prevented him from seeing who superman are and what purpose he is here. You can see what Alfred means, the scene when Bruce saves his employee and a child, gazing anguishly furious at supes above. In short terms, Bruce changed after the man of steel event. Just my two cents.
@@esdeathchan4354 lol there are. Don't know if u trolling but He talking about batman what he said . Get rid of a criminal 2 more pop up like weeds. So Batman like catching these dudes don't mean anything cause they get out and they still there so that's why he kills. He feels the traditional doesn't work. He turned " cruel ". He didn't kill now he does he " changed ". Man was I glad to see him kill personally
This movie will age like wine and people will say they love it. This movie was just ahead of it’s time and it’s a masterpiece (ultimate edition) no cap
It was a good movie, especially with the injustice foreshadowing, shame that WB and other giants always screw its artists, like Lucas said "you cannot experiment, it's not fun".
I doubt that. The anger over it will fade, but it will never be a good movie. You can pull good scenes from it. This one is a good example. But the movie as a whole is a mess. Even the ultimate edition.
This is such a great scene. Just by their mannerisms, you can tell they’ve spent over 20 years fighting crime, the acting is brilliant. I still hope Batfleck comes back and this universe continues on Netflix
Everything about this scene felt like i was either reading a comic book or watching an episode of Batman the animated series, Bruce Wayne entering the batcave through the elevator, Alfred working on one of the batsuits, the burnt graffitied Robin suit hanged up in the cave, Alfred asking Bruce how his night was to Bruce explaining the leads he has on the men he's been tracking to the moment Alfred finally shows him the newspaper article about his brutal methods and questioning him about the dangerous path he is embarking on while Bruce explains that nothing has changed. It has everything you want or need to make a great Batman scene and the way it starts from silence to the music quietly playing really adds so much weight to the mood and dialgoue between these two. All the scenes with Ben Affleck and Jermey Irons were top notch but this one could very well be my all time favourite, it does such a beautiful job in incorporating so much from the cartoons, games and the comics while putting them all together into one complete package.
WarhawkBeyond2040 while do they do have good chemistry. I wouldn’t go that far to comparing it to BTAS. That Batman didn’t brand criminals. If he did, that Alfred would’ve probably left him.
Icarus DuClares well if he likes the role then more power to him, maybe he’s just the type to play crook villains, above the fodder but below the main.
@@unreleasedost5230 well that would make him a perfect candidate because he could adapt any personality for a role. Why hate on this guy tho? Hes just a person irl and a face in this scene. Why did 7 people like your comment?
when you have the premice of superman and batman in a movie together and the best you get is that not everything was bad. hen it gets the hate it deserves.
@@ge2719 no. This film stands on its own two feet just fine. Its not a bad film. Its not even a bad Superman or Batman film. The ppl who try to pass it off as a flop or a joke are busy gobbling up every dumb sitcom episode of the MCU like its the best thing to ever happen to cinema. The hate train for this film started the day it was announced, and trogs like yourself are desperate to keep it painted in a negative light. Its not working. The DCEU isnt going anywhere, and if anyone at WB starts to smell what made MoS, BvS, and WW so great....the momentum is gonna be impressive. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman alone have more star power than the entire Marvel roster combined.
@@razorfett147 what did you think of the scene where our superhero superman walks up a mountain and literally hallucinates his dead father piling up stones (you ca see from the way clark is surprised to see him there that he is literally seeing him).where superman then says next to nothing and we get a xharacter development scene for a dead character in the movie and all we learn abut suoerman is that he is completely nuts. What did you think of the fact the tactical batsuit that he usesto fight superman is apparently a none powered suit. Meaning batman is carrying the entire wieght of the suit himself. Think about that and then go watch the scene where batman is spinning the entireweight of superman arround on the end of a rope and slamming him into things. Count how many times a character is looking at something while trying to look all serious and dramatic and not saying anything. Thats snyders go to move and its terrible if he only used it once in a film. Its pretty much in every single scene of the entire movie. Also ask yourself why when batman hacks lexs computer and get all his files, not just why does each folder have the currently non established superheroes symbol. But why there is no batman or superman folder. Why there are no folders for joker, any of the suicide squad, deathstroke. Its bad enough how terribly lazy that scene is as a terrible way to setup a jl movie. But even in the world of the movie its more complete nonsense.
What you are doing is call nit-picking, and if you want to apply that level of scrutiny to every film....most of the MCU films will seem utterly stupid as well. Lots of nonsensical action, complete disregard for physics (even for a fantasy film), and motives that seem driven purely by the need to advance the plot. How DOES Tony Stark have a power cell embedded in his chest RIGHT WHERE HIS HEART SHOULD BE? Magic nanobots can make any suit or object using zero mass? Ok. An armored suit somehow means you are able to survive a fall from any height....or impacts against objects at extreme speeds?? Nope, you'd be a puddle of liquid inside a highly advanced armored suit. See how deep that rabbit hole can go? If that's how you view film you should definitely stay away from the superhero genre. But I'll bet you typed that whole response thinking you were being clever, didn't you? I've suspended disbelief over elements of films that make your examples seem mundane. Try again.
the main character is having fucking halucinations and you call that nit picking? youre insane, its no wonder you like this crap movie. you know your heart isnt in your breast boned right? its right at the back of your chest behind/between your lungs. is the nanobots making suits out of no mass thing stark again? because in infinity wars they clearly show as he makes and loses more parts of the suit the armour covering his body isnt able to fully cover him any more. at least they fit the logic of their own universe. its a powered suit so its able to do things like that. in bvs the suit isnt powered so in the rules of this niverse a regular man can swing superman around on the end of a 20 meter rope and smash him through pillars? is the explenation that bruce did some pullups so he can do that now? thats nonsense. in this mvoie that touts itself as a realistic telling of what it would be like if ther really was a superman. they have some regular human do things that break the laws of physics... yeah very realisitc telling i'd also like to know how point out a complete lack of character development for the lead character is nit picking to you, but from what youve said so far i couldnt give less of a crap about what nonsense you would say in response to that.
1:251:55 God, Iron’s Alfred was amazing. You can tell that he’s tired of Bruce’s shit and hates the man he’s become but still supports him because he’s still family
Alix Dickson no, this batman is unrealistic and more related to the comic version. The bale universe is meant to be realistic with realistic characters. Bane would get stomped by this extremely strong batman
People: Batman doesn't kill ! Why does he kill ? There's no reason ! Snyder doesn't understand the character ! Zack Snyder: This scene from 1:24 to the end
yeah but they should not have done this in the first movie with him in it. This is 5th batman movie level of stuff but greedy warner bros rushed the movies and ruined the characters. Hell at least put one solo batman film in before this movie
@@davinci3478 The Dark Knight Returns did literally the same thing and is commonly considered a masterpiece. Showing a war weary, paranoid, and murderous Batman who's way beyond his glory days. TDKR deconstructs the usual main picture of Batman without any predecessor comics that showed him in his prime, just like BvS does.
@@filmpalace2426 This batman murders people with a gun and he never did that in tdkr. Also what do you mean there was no predecessor batman before tdkr there was 30 years of batman. The death in the family comic is a direct predecessor to it. This film only alludes to that stuff happening. I agree with you in the fact that i like this batman and i’m fine with him killing but because of studio and corporate greed this story doesn’t work. this is like if logan was your introductory to wolverine. This is a great story but was completely rushed and falls apart because of that
@@davinci3478 Uhm yes, there were 30 years of Batman before, but they weren't directly connected to TDKR. A Death in The Family isn't a direct predecessor to TDKR. Dude, it was even released 2 years after TDKR. There were also 7 Batman movies, before BvS, but they aren't related to it. It is the same thing. Oh, and Batman shot a guy in the head and blew a buch of mutants away with the batmobile in TDKR. It is just directly shown like this.
Yup. Fun fact, every time I play this video, I always need to take a second to rewind the first opening seconds when he’s coming out of that elevator. The way his arms are crossed above his waist, dude just looks like someone who doesn’t like to fuck around anymore. I always replay those first two seconds
I love how hands-on this Alfred is and I love the natural chemistry between these two. I didn't even need to see multiple movies to believe they have history. From this first scene, they were instantly believable. This duo is perhaps one of the biggest things I'll miss moving forward. Would have been really great to have seen more of them in a Batman movie.
House of Enigma He's home all day, who cares? He cpuld be in the Batcave in Gucci boxers, shirtless, a long beard, with flip flops, and it wouldn't matter.
Say what you want about the movie, you gotta admit that Ben affleck as Batman and Jeremy irons as Alfred was a really good casting choice and the chemistry these two give is incredible and well written and acted.
when you get the tone "right" and everything else completely wrong. what does it even matter? you've got a tone you like with no character development, a plot that makes no sense, sloppy world building, no establishing anything, just go to the next scen of something happening, then the next, then the next... until you get to 30 mins of fighting a cgi monster and then once you've crammed every major superman sotry into one movie, you end it with some more flashbacks within scenes that are two different scenes smushed together. because in the superman uneral scene you absolutely need the bamna and ww talking scene and the flash back to batman talking to lex scene only for it to come back t current time, cnclude the bm ww talking scene and then conclude the superman funeral scene. my god this movie was a complete mess. but yeah tone. whoopty dooooo
@NGL Boyz lexs plan to make batman hate superman. By sending him cheques back with stuff written in them, but which bruce doesnt see till the end of the second act. WHY lex wants to do any of what he is doing. What the hell lex was supposed to do with his "backup plan" to " kill superman" .(that being his plan is not actually established at all.) Did he want doomsday to destroy the entire planet? Lex apparently wants to destroy everything. The movie spoons feeds the viewer garbage. Superman can know lois is falling from a building when he had left the city to go have a hallucination of his dead dad on a mountain but he cant find his mother? They dont even put her in a lead lined room or anything. Superman can't save her when bruce knows where she is but batman can show up and save her even though they should have set her on fire the moment the batwing showed up. The depressing montage of superman reluctantly kinda helping people after disaster has struck. All of the superman crap that snyder handled poorly in mos is back only now its even less well established and goes nowhere. But then at the end he just decides "this is his planet too" out of nowhere. The movie is complete garbage, terrible writing. Absolutely terrible directing
I've seen this film a couple of times now and everytime I see Affleck coming down that lift I cannot get over how big he looks! There is something about the way he holds himself in that shot that just makes him look even bigger than he is
Oh man i love this Bruce Wayne, so dark, so broken. And the line "we're criminals Alfred, we've always been criminals, nothings changed" just hits different.
LOVE THIS SCENE!! The Bruce-Alfred relationship feels straight from the animated series to me. A lot of the theatrical cut pissed me off & didn't work, but this was perfect. The defenders of Killer Batman also love to point out this scene but I think it's obvious he's talking about the branding and more angry/violent nature. Not necessarily the killing. Killing's a major thing and I think they just brushed it off, considering he's been murdering for a while but they don't really go into it
They don't go too into it, I'll admit that much, but it is implied in scenes other than this one that Batman has been going too far as of late (a news article Clark is reading LITERALLY reads "Has Gotham's Caped Crusader Finally Gone Too Far?"). Although there's nothing to say whether or not they're talking about both Batman killing and the branding or just the branding. Even in this scene I'd say it's a bit too ambiguous to safely say Alfred is definitely talking about the branding. Even then, while Snyder was dumb enough to kill off Superman in the second fucking movie, I SERIOUSLY hope he wasn't willing to treat the no kill rule seriously. I don't even mean never breaking it, I literally just mean him breaking it being a big deal from now on. I'd be happy if Joker taunted him even slightly about it, talking about how he crossed the line over to his side and shit, would be cool as hell.
If I remember lately, the Batman of this world has been at the Bat-game for 20 years. They've been pushing past that "thou shalt not kill" line for probably years, to the point that maybe even Alfred has gotten desensitized to Batman's actions a bit.
I know what you mean. That doesn't mean he still technically got killed off at least temporarily. And it was such a dumb move to do it THIS early in the DCEU. It'd be like Marvel temporarily killing off Iron Man in Iron Man 2 only for him to come back in The Avengers, like what fucking sense would that make at all?
DeadlyWest 2 different stories are being told with 2 diff characters.You call Snyder dumb but don't even realize this are 2 different things.Everytime someone makes a statement about the DCEU comparing it to what Marvel did at a particular moment,I just shake my head.Iron Man isn't Superman & Superman isn't Iron Man.Snyder & Co killing off Superman in the 2nd movie isn't the equivalent of "Marvel killing off Iron Man in Iron Man 2".Pay attention to the story being told & stop insulting creatives about decisions they made because you think Marvel didn't do that.It's getting boring.Pay attention to the story being told.
I am paying attention to the story being told. And that's why I believe the story being told could've been TEN times better. Imagine the entire Justice League being at Superman's funeral, imagine a Superman being beaten to death by a terrifying monster as he does everything he can to save the people he loves. Wanna know how many Superman comics there were before the death of Superman? THOUSANDS. How many movies did Snyder do Superman? TWO. I want to grow a deep and personal connection with this Superman. But now I can't. And trust me, me using the MCU for my similes doesn't automatically think "ZOMG THE MCU IS THE BEST" No, it isn't. Iron Man 2 was shit, Thor was mediocre at best, etc. In the same way that I thought Man of Steel was good and Batman v Superman was okay but robbed us of seeing some fucking amazing stories being told on the big screen.
I don’t understand why people think Batman is stupid in this movie. Wouldn’t you also be scared shitless and skeptical as hell if you witness two invincible people destroy half a city effortlessly? Plus this Batman is broken, old and probably lost most of his morality. I can see why he would want to kill Superman
I guess most people's thought processes operate under comic book logic. they think the world should accept a superpowered alien just because. it never made sense to me how Batman and Superman became friends in the regular timeline, considering how extremely paranoid he is about everything and anything. what Zack did, making Batman appreciate Superman due to his sacrifice/death at the hands of Doomsday after almost killing him himself due to his distrust, becoming more optimistic and even faithful in the process makes for a better arc than just "let's be friends I guess, random alien guy whom I just met".
Irons doesn’t look like the typical Alfred but goddamn he plays the role well. I’m sorry, but I think I favor him over Caine’s, and Caine’s Alfred was excellent.
even though I don't particularly like Geoff Johns after what he pulled behind the scenes, this particular Alfred seems to be based on the one from his Batman: Earth One graphic novel, and that's something that I like. Pattinson's Batman will take great inspiration from that comic as well, and maybe Serkis' Alfred will follow suit.
This version of the Batcave is like a mixture between the New 52 and the Nolanverse version. By the way, did anyone catch that reference to Batman: Mask of the Phantasm at 1:10?
This definitely plays up the ex military multi talented Alfred that we have come to love in the more modern comics. It almost makes it reasonable that Bruce can be Batman by being raised by a man like this. However even tho this Alfred is deadly, skilled and talented. He still is very proper, deeply cares for Bruce, and holds a strong since of morality that in reality holds Bruce back from going off the edge. I honestly believe this and Superman's sacrifice is why Batman goes back to not killing human criminals by the time of Suicide Squad. Tim Burton's Batman Alfred: A loyal butler to the Wayne's for years with no real backstory other than he was a really caring individual to Bruce and supported him no matter what. He never really voiced his disagreement seriously or corrected Bruce. He was a loyal servant and a great father figure. Christopher Nolan's Batman Alfred: Came from a long line of butlers that serviced the Wayne's (Potentially had an ex-actor background and I might miss a few details). This Alfred was stated to be the heart of batman where Fox was the brains and bats was the psychical force. A trinity that relied on each other. He voiced his opinion quite often and wasn't above disciplining Bruce. Showing that he was more than just a servant but a surrogate father who deeply cares about him. More so than any other form of Alfred I have seen. You can truly feel the love Alfred has for the young Master Wayne. But he does his job and out of love he does what he can to help Batman's crusade. Zack Synder's Batman Alfred: This is definitely the ex-military origin that was retconned in Earth One with a mixer of the more modern 90s and early 2000s Alfred. Alfred as been for quite some time in the comics an actor and intelligence agent. He was changed to SAS, to Air Force Medic, to both plus being a spy and actor. To so many different spy/military backgrounds. However the type I believe this one to be is this. I filled in allot the backstory because not much is given yet. He was a former medic in the Royal Marine's and served with Thomas Wayne potentially joint operation where they became good friends both having saved each other's life. Thomas went to gain his inheritance, became a doctor and created Wayne Industries in Gotham where Alfred continued his career through MI6. When Alfred quit to follow his life long dream of becoming an actor he failed miserably and really fail on hard times. Thomas upon hearing this hired his friend as his head of security. Alfred heard death threats against the Wayne's and advised Thomas not to go out. But Thomas did and ended up dying. It is later that he found out that he was the listed Godfather of Bruce and a letter asking Alfred to promise to take care of him. Feeling guilty for not protecting the Wayne's he agree. He presents himself as a butler how else would you explain him valeting and servicing Bruce. Calling him Master(Which is just proper) but in reality he is a mentor. He was the first trainer of Batman and his personal adviser to this day on cases. He uses his skills in intelligence, medical and military experience to service Batman. In a way he has always supported Bruce's vigilantist ways because he too wants revenge and justice. But he always out of deep care for Bruce wants them to be on a moral high ground. He still is very proper, deeply cares for Bruce, and holds a strong since of morality that in reality holds Bruce back from going off the edge.
I would have loved to see Snyder's interpretation of the League of Shadows in a standalone Batman film. I could imagine the brutality of Batman's training, etc.
I always found amazing the fact that Batman just freed a bunch of people of being slave or who knows what else and says to Alfred that it was nothing because he didn't find what he was looking for. It really shows how much he has change
The best scene in the whole film. Best writing, Alfred/Bruce have the most chemistry of anyone else in this film, the cave is beautiful, the music, and love the tech. The voice mic sounds glorious too, reminds me when Batman dosed Crane with his own medicine in Begins.
SO THIS SCENE is saying that before the events of Man Of Steel, before Batman started feeling powerless, he didn't kill people. "...That turns good men... cruel." Refering to Bruce and his "New rules" (when he showed him the paper) !
I’m thinking after this universe’s Jason Todd was killed Bruce started becoming more and more violent and especially after Superman his anger has consumed him
Exactly. The movie isn't saying it's ok that Batman kills. Its saying it isn't, that something is wrong with Bruce. That's the whole point. Nolan's Batman would have headed down the same path, as would every iteration of Batman. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. We just happen to be seeing Batman at that point. He's still the same Batman, he's just gone too long without results. It took Superman to bring him back from the brink of straight out murdering in cold blood. Before that, he indirectly killed. He had the attitude that if you happen to be in the car that's shooting at him and you get killed, then you shouldn't have been there. He justifies it. He convinced himself that he isn't killing. He has PTSD. I love this interpretation. No, Batman doesn't kill. But, the movie is making you ask why he does. It's not glorifying it and it's not something he always did. I think people miss that in the film. Batman doesn't kill, but a Batman that goes long enough may.
Apple leonardo michaelangelo Donatello Raphael yet, he couldn't figure out Clark was Superman and that Luthor was playing them both. Yeah, that's some real nice detective work.
Apple leonardo michaelangelo Donatello Raphael yet it takes him almost the whole movie to realise that Superman is one of the good guys and they are both being set up.
I love how Alfred instantly knew (or maybe had a feeling) that Bruce was lying to him about the bomb. He instantly warned him that he was gonna become cruel.
"You've changed things... forever. There's no going back." (shows Bruce watching replays of footage of people he is looking into and wanting to defeat). This scene seems like a pretty direct reference to The Dark Knight ("everything's changed" and the footage of Kryptonians as a threat Bruce wants to defeat). I have high hopes for the future of DC movies; I'm glad they introduced a new Batman because Bale's wouldn't have worked, and it was nice to see a superhero story with a real end, as opposed to a villain of the week scenario (the best comic stories are not villain of the week crap; they alter continuity and character for real). But yeah, TDK forever.
Ben Affleck has always been a good looking dude, but in BvS he was an absolute stud. Comic -book -handsome.. Movie star handsome. Fit as Bruce Wayne should look.. Perfect for superhero Batman
That's how it starts; the fever ,the rage ,the feeling of powerlessness ,that turns good men cruel - Alfred How true can that be! Such a great line delivered there
Everything about Ben Affleck screams Bruce Wayne/Batman. The way he walks in with his wide build, the looks that he throws around, Alfred's dialog. Not a fan of BvS but Snyder sure nailed the Batman atmosphere. Except for the murder parts.
Ben Affleck is just a goddamn sensational actor who is always perfect to play this role as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. He is and always will be my FAVOURITE Dark Knight.
If we never saw the movie, and they only introduced it with this scene here, it makes it all even more exciting. I still get chills hearing Alfred go "No Master Wayne.....*everything's* changed."
"We're criminals Alfred, we've always been criminals" "New rules, everything has changed". Two lines. These two lines is all we need to understand Batman's emotional state and justify his following actions Yet morons are still bitching about Batman killing and Zack not understanding the character When we say that haters just didn't bother to get BvS we're not pretentious. It's fact
Exactly! Fuck these haters who don't fucking pay attention, its right there literally being told by the actors and also visually, just look at their faces and acting it says it all. Shame, what could of been.
@@jaimeurielmartinez4558 just because of this, you think batman killing is ok. That's batmans like only rule and you think because of zack snyder's "vision" it's ok for him to change the character?
@@marcusyancey9670 it's completely okay, it's more than okay for anyone that's telling their story to do as they want as long as their is a reason behind it. A logical one, the film was digging into, clearly would of been explored and more deeply explained if we would of gotten to see Ben Afflecks solo trilogy and how he got to where he did. Comic books do it, they have their own interpretations all the time. It was in one film he was okay with people dying, he clearly lost his mind and he realized that. No one needs to cry over this and get their feelings hurt and say the movie is now crap. People bitch so much and ruin shit because they dont want to understand shit. You could say " I dont like that hes killing in this film, I want to understand where this is coming from(even thought it was explained very well in BvS but I guess it wasn't enough for the haters) I want to see this explained further and see how he became this way vs this film is shitty it's the worst, zack snyder this Zack snyder that(even though he didnt write the film)fuck wb and blah blah blah. People are so sensitive these days. Give the films a chance, there was a whole plan for all of this universe and story. It's funny because in the tim burton films their is so much killing too from batman but the haters dont bitch(as they shouldn't anyway). Let the filmmakers do what they're doing, they have a plan and a vision and they know what they are doing much more than you and me do and especially more than the sensitive butthurt people.
When Alfred tells Bruce the line “innocence dies” you can clearly hear a sound byte of young Bruce screaming. Man I love the details and the little things that Zack has in his films.
1:20 I honestly don't know how much more they could have spelled it out as loud and clear as to why Batman's gone over the edge. People hate this movie and wonder why Batman is branding and mowing criminals down and they pretty much said it aloud right there. What more do you need? "I kill people because I've gone mad"?
Had Batman run into the Joker on his kill-rampage, I'd reckon he'd have snuffed him out no problem. But the next time he encounters the Joker in Suicide Squad, he already gave up on his kill-spree hence why he's still running around.
I hate this film and I think Batman's motivation was great, even without this scene it would've worked because we see Bruce's motivation become clear during the retcon of Man of Steel. I actually love all of the Batman stuff in this film. It was everything that made the movie suck, and ended up sinking the entire DCEU, which is unfortunate
TheeLightBearer oh boy I'll try to keep this as short as possible 1) Superman is not likeable (granted I dont dislike him per se, rather I find him bland and mopey) 2) most of the characters motivations make no sense or they have flawed logic 3) the movie wastes time trying to make Batman hate Superman more (bombing of congress + his vision/dream sequence) which is pointless IMO because Batman already hates Superman and thinks he's a threat because of what happened in Man of Steel. If they cut those sequences out the movie would run a lot smoother 4) Simply put, ALOT of the things in the film don't make sense (Superman getting blamed for the incident in Africa, Lex Luthors plan regarding doomsday, Batman being manipulated by Lex, I can go on) 5) Hardly any establishing shots: it's hard to get engrossed in this universe when there aren't that many establishing shots. The lack of these shots also make for really sloppy scene transitions. 6) MARTHAAAAAA and for the love of god please don't try to explain it to me. I understand what Snyder was going for, it just failed in execution and was extremely laughable. 7) Wonder Woman was shoe-horned into the movie to establish the Justice League when they didn't need to do that (or if they had to, at least put the sequence in an end credits scene). Again it was just more waisted time 8) The doomsday fight: doomsday was just a giant monster they had to fight at the end. There is no internal conflict, and no ideas/morals being challenged. Now I am FINE with something like this in a superhero movie IF the movie is just trying to be goofy/lighthearted (like the marvel films) BUT in a film like BvS thats trying to be a deep, thought-provoking, political film we need something better than that. 9) Superman's death: Superman dies unnecessarily (seriously Batman could have stabbed doomsday) only to be resurrected by the time of Justice League. This makes his sacrifice lose all of its value. 10) The depressing tone: again I'm fine with a depressing superhero movie (like The Dark Knight or Logan) BUT all of the other elements need to be there. I need to like the characters and the writing needs to be great. BvS just doesn't have that, and when you compound that with a depressing tone it makes for a really miserable viewing experience. Good Things in the film: Ben Affleck as Batman Jeremy Irons as Alfred Han Zimmer makes great music And if you like this movie that's fine, don't let me stop you from enjoying it, but objectively speaking there is a LOT wrong with this movie.
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Michael Caine's Alfred: Caring, supportive and a true confidant.
Jeremy Iron's Alfred: Authoritative, supportive, but gettin real sick of your shit Master Wayne.
Pertwee's Alfred: Both but uses a gun.
Ralph Fiennes's Alfred: Supportive, caring, courageous, a true confidant, a patient mentor and a father figure.
When did he play Alfred?
Shanethefilmmaker The Lego Batman Movie.
Wow first Jeremy Irons, now Ralph Fiennes. Any more former villains turned heroes in there?
Not only do I really like Iron's Alfred, he dresses quite nice as well.
Amen
Rez replying to your comment YES I’ve been desperate to find similar shirts that he has, Even emailed the costume designer for this film to get some info on his suite.
did you hear back from him?
@@jameslyddall my guess it's probably tailored made for the film. Surprised you haven't found them at a Macy's store.
@@jameslyddall did you ever hear back from him? I'd love to know Alfred's wardrobe too
Casting Ben Affleck as the Batman was the Best decision of Warner Bros. DAMN he's too perfect for the role.
Just two words... Christian Bale!
Ben affleck is my all time favorite Batman I wish he would re take the cape but I’m also looking forward to Robert Pattinson to see what he offers
@@meanpickelmorris2050 well your wish came true after all.
@@Brucewayne-yr1tx it's time to move forward and embrace the new.
Bruce Wayne no
We're Batfleck fans, Alfred. Nothings changed...
* The batman trailer comes out*
:"everything's changed..."
Na I still love batfleck
@@nailmontana1993 Martin Scorsese says superhero movies are theme parks.
So yes, everything's changed. The fever... the feeling of helplessness as an entire nation dismisses superhero movies as shallow caricatures, no longer a respected cornerstone of cinema.
@@TheOminousFlareShow yeah fuck Martin Scorsese. I'll watch whatever the fk I want
Yessir 😎
@@savant7288 The Irishman was excellentky crafted, but besides that, the story was pretty mundain; though, there's nothing wrong with the mundain.
Jeremy Irons sure looks like old Tony Stark seeking shelter in the batcave just to roast Bruce all day.
Yozeh Tony would probably do that.
"You still working" On a new Ironman suit?
lol
Nobody gives a shit about dc lol Infinity war is about to make billions and smash records lol
Yoo Hoo you twelve? Who the fuck says nibba? Either say the word or piss off. Acknowledging a film doesn't make it good, I watched this clip cause it showed up on my home page. The writing is shit and so is the plot. If you like it, then fine. But their is no comparison between this and marvel, this is a joke.
"Even you've gotten too old to die young. And not for lack of trying."
Sassy Alfred is best Alfred.
"And I thought Batman was the Detective" -Alfred, Justice League Animation series.
@@andrediaz2748Ironically, iirc in earlier iterations Alfred was a detective helping Batman.
The casting of Ben Afffleck and Jeremy Irons is amazing.
Ash K only Jeremy irons
So much talent wasted into a cold killer Batman. If Batman be smarter and actually respect his 1st rule, i would love that Batman. But he's just like "gnegne SuPErMAn sAvED Us aLl iMmA KIlL HiM and ImMa sTaRt KliLLin cRiMINAls". Fuck it that's not Batman.
The Bat-Tester Not even Parademons he cant kill, GTFO
@AP25H I have but that shouldn't be the first version of batman we're introduced to. He is very clearly an anti hero in those comics and it wouldn't make sense for batman to be so ruthless like that. In the dark knight trilogy and comics you really got a sense of batmans ideals. He believes everybody can be saved so he decides to save Gotham while someone like Ras Al ghul or bane thinks it should just be eliminated entirely because it is beyond saving. Batman believes nothing and no one is beyond saving it's such a core element to is character that made the plots of the movies and comics so engaging. Even in Frank Miller's movies you won't see him using guns although he is much more ruthless he never really killed anyone. Batman is really just like the punisher not a hero in BvS
@AP25H yes I know batman used to kill in his early days and if you want you can cherry pick examples of him killing in comics but you can not deny that it is a fundamental value that Batman doesn't kill. And it makes Batman a much more interesting character as he struggles to hold on to his own ideals
Such a perfect casting for both and then WB ruined it with Justice Leauge.
it's a good thing we're getting the Snyder Cut, then
They didn’t ruin Jeremy irons as Alfred. He was still great, it was just everything else that was ruined.
Josstice League*
Batffleck was a bad idea from the start...
@@wormie077 ok keaton fanboy 👍🏻
“We’re criminals Alfred, we’ve always been criminals. Nothings changed” love that line
Batman isn't a criminal
@@bradleyrutledge he is. He knows he's an outlaw. Plus this quote is revised from The Dark Knight Returns.
@@bradleyrutledge vigilantes are criminals
@@susdoge222 Batman still works with the GCPD
@@bradleyrutledge this one doesn’t
This movie drips with atmosphere. The whole thing is like a fever dream. Underrated, under-appreciated and did not deserve the hate it got.
B R Sarcasm?
Watch the 3hr R version and you will think otherwise.
@LJ well said
People fear what they don't understand
I get what your saying about atmosphere...they nailed it on that front. It was the script that was shit...and the script ultimately makes or breaks a film
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There's nothing wrong with the microphone.
lol bitch
Khánh Nguyễn Dude, whats your deal?
Edwin Hanaton Tourette’s syndrome
I would pay Jeremy Irons to sit in my room all day, and whenever I grab something or go to sleep he shit talks my bad decisions or laziness lol
Same 😂
That’s gay and weird.
How is that gay
@@Maninredcape It just is, good day.
Stop treating Alfred like a slut. #justiceforalfred
2 good things about this movie:
1.) Ben Affleck as Batman
2.) Jeremy Irons as Alfred
Keiron Smith You mean Bruce wayne as batman,
The tone of the movie was spot on. Serious. The only problem, and not a minor one at that, was the script that took too long to develop the characters and not in the best way. To start this serious to just jump into giant monster in the last minute was wrong.
to be honest i wish christian bale played batman
Bale already did. And he did a subpar job at it.
Ben Affleck as Batman was the reason I stopped watching superheroes movies
This is an absolute peak take on the characters of Bruce and Alfred. I could write a whole thesis on these two, their motivations, behaviors, and the way the interact. In my opinion, flawless planning and execution by Snyder. A man broken to what he thinks is beyond the point of return, and the man who raised him, refusing to give up on him, believing that deep down he can still use his gifts for good. Beautiful. I'll never get over it.
And you can't beat the fact that Bruce made coffee for Alfred in the morning. Its said so much just with a short scene. Everything of Bruce and Alfred in this movie is perfect.
All these now falls short after what Matt Reeves did🐐
How many good guys are left?
*How many stayed that way?*
🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇🦇
then goes and kills everyone in the film
If you ever do write a thesis on these two, I would honestly love to read it!!
This is Alfred literally saying that Batman is going to far. This is where this movie acknowledge that Batman has changed and doesn't care if people die from his hand.
Later Batman redeems himself after Superman sacrifices. Superman gave him hope after he lost his (possibly after Robin's death).
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND??!!!
It really shouldn't be, especially now with ZSJL being released. We see the redeemed Batman now. From what I can tell too, he has the no kill rule
@@thenoirknight5729 exactly. I guess some people are too impatient.
Exactly , I don't know why many of them don't understand this !!
because of that one scene that everyone knows about it made everything else in the movie a joke and a moot point
it isn't, people just wanna hate, and it's easier to do so by purposefully misunderstanding and/or downplaying key themes in the movie or even mocking them. that's how the internet be, sadly.
0:31 Prototype of Batman's cowl with tactical goggles that he wears in Justice League. Zack Snyder had everything planned out & each movie would've uncover more & more.. I really want to watch his DCEU till the end...
I was looking for a comment to confirm if I was right. It sure as hell looks like a prototype for the Justice League cowl. Snyder made a point of including a line in this movie about how Alfred couldn’t get the cowl to work, and then they even call back to it at the end of Justice League, where they call attention to Alfred finally handing the cowl to Bruce.
Ah. I honestly thought it was the underarmor of the BvS cowl and the lids came down for a Detective Mode
Those goggles looked stupid
It's under armor for his actual cowl
It's in the movie. What do you think the blue glowing lights were in his cowl?
For real the suit was super strength enhanced with the goggles built into the armor. Do you think Bruce didn't manufacture a full supersuit to fight superman?
He's going against someone with laserbeams and X-RAY VISION. Too be able to see him coming is detrimental.
This suit was ripped off the Dark Knight Returns suit in the comics.
Also proof that Bruce knows about the X-ray vision in this movie is that he uses gas grenades that release gas with lead in it. Snyder wasn't building up to the next movie here.
I like this kind of sassy alfred
well he has always been sassy with bruce
Just like in the Animated Series. XD
Hasmukh Sheth
me too
He always was
The Gotham Alfred is the best
I love the callback to The Dark Knight Returns when Bruce says "We're criminals Alfred, we've always been criminals" straight lines from TDKR I love it
Many may dislike Snyder's style, but nobody can deny he doesn't do his homework for these comic book movies.
Batman is a superhero, not a criminal
@@bradleyrutledge no he's not, he's an Anti-Hero.
@@nvlik An anti-hero doesn't have a moral code and is willing to kill in the name of Justice. Batman on the other hand, does have a moral code which includes never taking a life under any circumstance
@@bradleyrutledge hmm yeah agree but in the first few years of him being Batman he doesn't have any rule, moral code.
Jeremy Irons is a great actor.
Scar in the lion king
Simon Peter Gruber
Agreed. Definitely my favorite villian in die hard 3 and I loved him as alfred. Can't wait to see him in assassins creed
So the truth is Alfred murdered Bruce's parents, and claimed control over the Waynes. XD
Cyberium That would be a really dark movie, I would love to see that.
When Alfred says "You don't even know if he exists, could be a phantasm." Is that a reference to Mask of the Phantasm?
Nice little homage.
we are criminals...we always have been. the dark knight returns, batman and superman
You do realize phantasm means ghost right?
"If he is indeed a him"
tamzgaming nah bruh- let sleeping dogz lie...that was a classic!
"That's how it starts. The fever, the rage. The feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel."
An obvious show of concern from Alfred to Bruce, but I found that line especially powerful because I think it hits close to home for some of us. We've suffered injustices, but how far are we willing to go for retribution? I can't count how many times I've wished ill upon or even planned to get even with people who have wronged me or my loved ones in the past when I was powerless or not there to stop it. I loved this scene, and not just for the chemistry between the actors and how well it was written, but also because of how much I could relate to Bruce.
You're definitely not alone in this buddy back then I never understood why Bruce is the way he is why he chose to become batman to begin with and the first time I saw this scene I didn't think anything of it but now I really really really understand all of it why Bruce is how he is and why he's batman 2020 has been difficult on all of us to say the least but for me specifically I personally had to suffer working for an extremely heartless careless evil abusive manipulative psychotic and horrible monster named Jason he bullied me abused me treated me like garbage for 2 years he even nearly destroyed my work and personal life affecting my parent's lives as well and what's worse is he enjoys and loves doing those things to good honest and real people I'm just one of the many he did that too not to mention he was one of my best friends but in the end he betrayed me for no reason luckily my folks became aware of what was happening and pulled me out of that job for good now I'm free and have been loving that freedom ever since
But it gets worse because of how he treated me I became tremendously angry hateful and vengeful and instead of moving on or focusing it all on him at the time I misdirected it on some one I truly love respect and care about she was a very good friend of mine always so sweet kind friendly humane awesome compassionate beautiful and just an all around great person just like super girl but the tremendous emotional impact that came after losing her feels very similar to how the death of Bruce's parents impacted him and all of that heartbreak pain depression guilt and psychological trauma that monster gave me that too losing her just really amplified all those emotions 1 million times more and the rage vengeance hatred I have for "him" and for every other monster who has wronged me and treated me horribly in the past is still in there deep down inside of me and I also think about making them really suffer and pay for what they did to me as well but that's why Karma exists it does the dirty work for people like us and all we have to do is watch and enjoy
And further more to me "he"is really similar to an obnoxious annoying and insufferable clown Batman has to put up with all the time!!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
I like this scene because of how much I relate with Alfred's concerns.
@@brucewayne9507 I'm just glad you had the strength and courage to lay it all on the past; a part of me even wanted you to get back at him, but I guess if I tread that path I'd be far too stubborn up my ass to turn the other cheek.
The chemistry between Irons and Affleck is insane. You can almost feel the disdain Alfred has for Bruce's current antics, and the anger with which Bruce is making his crusade. But they don't hate each other. You can tell they're still friends and Alfred will help Bruce even if it means that Bruce ends up breaking his code.
Starting from 01:20, is just MAGIC. If you TRULY love Batman, nobody can't deny the awesomeness of that moment, the music, the pace, the looks on both Bruce and Alfred...
My god, is incredible, is SOOOOOOOOOOO like the animated series and the comics. I'd kill to see a Zack Snyder Batman movie... :(
Ben affleck looks like the animated serie. He was the best pick
A movie full of atmosphere like this would be awesome
We're criminals, Alfred.
We've always been criminals.
Nothing has changed.
Oh.... yes it has sir.
Everything has changed.
Men fall from the sky
The Gods hurl Thunderbolts
Innocents die.
That's how it starts, sir.
The fever
The rage
A feeling of powerlessness
That turns good men....
CRUEL.
Just have him copy and paste Dark Knight Returns. It’s clearly his favorite Batman comic, as evidenced from the dialogue ripped from the pages and slapped into BvS. I wouldn’t trust him to do anything original though.
@@MrPjw5 I’m guessing you also wouldn’t trust Whedon or any of the MCU directors to make references to comics
People do keep forgetting that both this Batman and Alfred are adapted from the dark knight returns iterations, so that’s why this Batman is more violent and authoritative, and this Alfred is supportive but critical too like in the comic. I really wish we could’ve gotten more outta these two actors in future films, cause Alfred isn’t just the butler to Bruce Wayne, he’s his equal too, hence the part where we see Bruce make Alfred coffee for a change, which is a nice touch that I personally like.
I think most people who know the comics know this his suit is one clue
He literally doesn't kill in TDKR but okay
@@miadatenshi9903 wel ths batman ad flelfred is when the former dsreveil hangs out with simong Gruber
@@miadatenshi9903 he literally did he killed a man to stop a little girl from getting hurt and he killed the joker near the end aswell he denied he did it but there are clues that proves he did
Jeremy Irons is an amazing actor.
the way he stares at Burce and says "turns good men cruel"
He says it like
"You know what I'm talking about you sonovabitch"
And Bruce just looks like a spoiled child again, not wanting to hear anyone question his self-righteousness
I just wish Ben Affleck continues to be The Batman
I wished the same
This reply after a year of this guy posting a comment made me so sad, goddamit :D
RIP Battfleck, we will miss him(
@@JTM610 but his batman is gone, thanks good.......
@@jc0044 best batman ever tho unlike that crap bale
@@Robin-ew8nz i'm sorry, how's bayman?
Perfect casting... damn shame we didn't get to see more of this duo. They deserved a trilogy!!!!
I know; The Batman should have a solo Ben Affleck flick
The best, next to Christian Bale and Michael Caine.
@@berengerdietiker22and Michael keaton and Michael gough also
From "Scar" of The Lion King" to "Alfred" of Batman v Superman. That's JEREMY IRONS!
Taurus Guy Simon from Die Hard 3 with a vengeance.
And let's not forget his most Oscar Worthy Role, That crazy wizard from Dungeons and Dragons. Yatatatatatatata.
I close my eyes and all i see is scar talking to bruce Wayne now
Now he’s Adrian Veidt or ‘Ozymandius’ in watchmen
@@gmanzano89gm as i was going to st. ives i met a man with 7 wives... every wife had 7 sacks, every sack has 7 cats, every cat has 7 kittens kittens sacks cats and wives, how many were going to st. ives?
This is what was sooooooooooo god damn good about this film, was the Bruce Wayne and Alfred scenes! Their chemistry on set was electric! Loved that part. I was generally terrified of the Batman in this film. Which made him even more awesome! No disrespect to Christopher Nolan's Batman, as that was one of my all time favourite trilogies, but this Batman takes it to a whole new level. I am so pumped up for the solo Batman film! Hope it has this sort of edge to it.
true dat
Actually, Nolan's Batman is a disgrace to Batman's image, Baleman is not batman, he just a cosplayer know how to boxing with zero detective skill.
+Cường William Calling it a disgrace is a little too far in my opinion. They we're what started the hero era we're in today.
true dat
+Alex D Well that was a mix of x men and the rami spiderman
"Even you got to old to die young" this line is always on my mind, that's how cool it is
same
This movie is an art piece
The aesthetic , score, sound design, casting, it's so unique the world wasn't ready
Justice league was cookie cutter , too much studio interference
Pdrew lol
I like all the DC extended universe films including original Justice League but *FUCK WARNER BROTHERS FOR USING A FAMILY TRAGEDY TO RUIN A DIRECTOR'S VISION*
No, no it is not
@@Kdot6_16 yes, it is
Exactly !
At, 1:30, Alfred spoon-fed the audience the reason why Bruce turned bad, and yet most of the critics decided to forget those lines when criticizing that the movie didn't explain the change. Sure makes you wonder about their integrity if they constantly missed something so simple while reviewing other movies...
DC always get their teeth kicked in by reviewers. The same critics that can't make enough excuses fast enough when people turns on marvel, or just disney at large. Not that the movie is without its flaws, but you can see the preferential treatment right way. Also #releasethesnydercut
Critics are paid to shill for marvel
@@wurmrave6831 The movie you want wouldn't have made sense because BvS showed the Metropolis incident as the snapping point, not Robin's death or any other reason.
Still not enough though, Batman had been more broken before. Like in the Dark Knight Returns, he's old, tired, and way more brutal with criminal but still doesn't kill
@@Thanhhuy-bj6gt I wasn't talking about Batman killing. I was talking about the brandings.
“Everything’s changed” “The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness...it turns good men cruel”
Literally SHOUTING at the audience as to why the Batman kills. Even Alfred is scared of what Bruce is becoming, and is disappointed in his decision
Right!!
@Austin Griffin people use to marvel movies. They don't understand superhero movies that actually have meaning behind the characters lol. They too busy waiting for a joke
@@spectrexr1 can u explain what alfred say dude? I dont understand it by "thats how it started, the fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness, that turn goodman cruel" its like theres more meaning behind these words
@@esdeathchan4354 Dude became brutal, violent and crazy batshit after 20 years of insanity in Gotham. And superman event triggered it. Dude start killing/branded criminal. Seeing a god among man being like superman fighting zodd, leveled the city, innocents civilians died, make him feel powerless, can not do anything against a godlike being like superman, cannot save people from dying, hence this movie event : Batman manhunting supes, to kill him. The rage blinded bruce, a misunderstanding, prevented him from seeing who superman are and what purpose he is here.
You can see what Alfred means, the scene when Bruce saves his employee and a child, gazing anguishly furious at supes above. In short terms, Bruce changed after the man of steel event.
Just my two cents.
@@esdeathchan4354 lol there are. Don't know if u trolling but He talking about batman what he said . Get rid of a criminal 2 more pop up like weeds. So Batman like catching these dudes don't mean anything cause they get out and they still there so that's why he kills. He feels the traditional doesn't work. He turned " cruel ". He didn't kill now he does he " changed ". Man was I glad to see him kill personally
This movie will age like wine and people will say they love it. This movie was just ahead of it’s time and it’s a masterpiece (ultimate edition) no cap
Exactly
It was a good movie, especially with the injustice foreshadowing, shame that WB and other giants always screw its artists, like Lucas said "you cannot experiment, it's not fun".
I doubt that. The anger over it will fade, but it will never be a good movie. You can pull good scenes from it. This one is a good example. But the movie as a whole is a mess. Even the ultimate edition.
Personally i don't like the movie but there's still good things about it
2035 and the 3 snyder films will be still talked about.
I love this new version of Alfred
Me too, Jermey Irons as Alfred to me was the one of the best things about the movie
IMO, the Alfred from the TV series Gotham is the best incarnation of Alfred EVER!
+Luis Guerra Probably because he has the most screen time
+benedict nsenga I think that he's the best Alfred ever because he's a motherf&cking badass! He can fight, he can use guns, etc.
Luis Guerra Well I haven't seen the series yet so I'll refrain from passing any judgement.
This is such a great scene. Just by their mannerisms, you can tell they’ve spent over 20 years fighting crime, the acting is brilliant. I still hope Batfleck comes back and this universe continues on Netflix
Me too. This whole storyline is just too good to forget about.
Everything about this scene felt like i was either reading a comic book or watching an episode of Batman the animated series, Bruce Wayne entering the batcave through the elevator, Alfred working on one of the batsuits, the burnt graffitied Robin suit hanged up in the cave, Alfred asking Bruce how his night was to Bruce explaining the leads he has on the men he's been tracking to the moment Alfred finally shows him the newspaper article about his brutal methods and questioning him about the dangerous path he is embarking on while Bruce explains that nothing has changed. It has everything you want or need to make a great Batman scene and the way it starts from silence to the music quietly playing really adds so much weight to the mood and dialgoue between these two. All the scenes with Ben Affleck and Jermey Irons were top notch but this one could very well be my all time favourite, it does such a beautiful job in incorporating so much from the cartoons, games and the comics while putting them all together into one complete package.
Only Zack Snyder could do it.
Dang, I can feel the passion in this one. I love this scene as well. Cheers!
Best bruce wayne and alfred scene. No one can beat this tandem. Not even the skinny twilight pattinson.
Mr. Adobo you haven’t even seen him in action as the character.
WarhawkBeyond2040 while do they do have good chemistry. I wouldn’t go that far to comparing it to BTAS. That Batman didn’t brand criminals. If he did, that Alfred would’ve probably left him.
Im gonna mis the dark knight alfred but boy i love this alfred
The Dark Knight Alfred was a sweet father figure. This one seems like a close uncle.
WhoDarestheMAN gamer fuck no
This Alfred seems obviously to have matured , Can’t expect him to be lovey dovey 😂
@@joseescalona8312 Especially with all the events they've been through.
Chris Hansen indeed 🤗
0:48 I feel bad for this actor because he always plays basically the same character in all movies he is in
That's because he has no personality
Icarus DuClares well if he likes the role then more power to him, maybe he’s just the type to play crook villains, above the fodder but below the main.
Most old guys play old guy roles
@@unreleasedost5230 well that would make him a perfect candidate because he could adapt any personality for a role. Why hate on this guy tho? Hes just a person irl and a face in this scene. Why did 7 people like your comment?
Thats what zack snyder want
"If he is a HIM. You don't even know if he exists he could be a PHANTASM...." I caught that...
Nathan Wood sad that only most of the 90s kids would catch that
is that a mask of phantasm reference?
Andrew habanero yea
"Thanks for bringing up the dead fiancee, Alfred. I wasn't at the correct level of brooding..."
I just caught that myself after all these years. I'd love to see a Phantasm live action movie
This movie didn't deserve the hate it received. I understand it had flaws. But not everything (or most of the things) in this movie was bad.
when you have the premice of superman and batman in a movie together and the best you get is that not everything was bad. hen it gets the hate it deserves.
@@ge2719 no. This film stands on its own two feet just fine. Its not a bad film. Its not even a bad Superman or Batman film. The ppl who try to pass it off as a flop or a joke are busy gobbling up every dumb sitcom episode of the MCU like its the best thing to ever happen to cinema. The hate train for this film started the day it was announced, and trogs like yourself are desperate to keep it painted in a negative light. Its not working. The DCEU isnt going anywhere, and if anyone at WB starts to smell what made MoS, BvS, and WW so great....the momentum is gonna be impressive. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman alone have more star power than the entire Marvel roster combined.
@@razorfett147 what did you think of the scene where our superhero superman walks up a mountain and literally hallucinates his dead father piling up stones (you ca see from the way clark is surprised to see him there that he is literally seeing him).where superman then says next to nothing and we get a xharacter development scene for a dead character in the movie and all we learn abut suoerman is that he is completely nuts.
What did you think of the fact the tactical batsuit that he usesto fight superman is apparently a none powered suit. Meaning batman is carrying the entire wieght of the suit himself. Think about that and then go watch the scene where batman is spinning the entireweight of superman arround on the end of a rope and slamming him into things.
Count how many times a character is looking at something while trying to look all serious and dramatic and not saying anything. Thats snyders go to move and its terrible if he only used it once in a film. Its pretty much in every single scene of the entire movie.
Also ask yourself why when batman hacks lexs computer and get all his files, not just why does each folder have the currently non established superheroes symbol. But why there is no batman or superman folder. Why there are no folders for joker, any of the suicide squad, deathstroke. Its bad enough how terribly lazy that scene is as a terrible way to setup a jl movie. But even in the world of the movie its more complete nonsense.
What you are doing is call nit-picking, and if you want to apply that level of scrutiny to every film....most of the MCU films will seem utterly stupid as well. Lots of nonsensical action, complete disregard for physics (even for a fantasy film), and motives that seem driven purely by the need to advance the plot. How DOES Tony Stark have a power cell embedded in his chest RIGHT WHERE HIS HEART SHOULD BE? Magic nanobots can make any suit or object using zero mass? Ok. An armored suit somehow means you are able to survive a fall from any height....or impacts against objects at extreme speeds?? Nope, you'd be a puddle of liquid inside a highly advanced armored suit. See how deep that rabbit hole can go? If that's how you view film you should definitely stay away from the superhero genre. But I'll bet you typed that whole response thinking you were being clever, didn't you? I've suspended disbelief over elements of films that make your examples seem mundane. Try again.
the main character is having fucking halucinations and you call that nit picking? youre insane, its no wonder you like this crap movie.
you know your heart isnt in your breast boned right? its right at the back of your chest behind/between your lungs. is the nanobots making suits out of no mass thing stark again? because in infinity wars they clearly show as he makes and loses more parts of the suit the armour covering his body isnt able to fully cover him any more. at least they fit the logic of their own universe.
its a powered suit so its able to do things like that. in bvs the suit isnt powered so in the rules of this niverse a regular man can swing superman around on the end of a 20 meter rope and smash him through pillars? is the explenation that bruce did some pullups so he can do that now? thats nonsense. in this mvoie that touts itself as a realistic telling of what it would be like if ther really was a superman. they have some regular human do things that break the laws of physics... yeah very realisitc telling
i'd also like to know how point out a complete lack of character development for the lead character is nit picking to you, but from what youve said so far i couldnt give less of a crap about what nonsense you would say in response to that.
1:25 1:55 God, Iron’s Alfred was amazing. You can tell that he’s tired of Bruce’s shit and hates the man he’s become but still supports him because he’s still family
this is the batman that should of fought bane.
bane would not survive
Alix Dickson no, this batman is unrealistic and more related to the comic version. The bale universe is meant to be realistic with realistic characters. Bane would get stomped by this extremely strong batman
YES! extremely strong and the best batman EVER!
I want to see this universes version of bane, he would be massive and actually use venom, would certainly give batfleck a good fight
It'll be like David vs Goliath
This is the most important 110 seconds of the movie to understand Batman of this world.
Not entirely no. There was still more to learn later.
The mere mention of the word 'Phantasm' from Alfred just makes me smile.
why
@@SG-pb5vits a reference to mask of the phantasm
@@danielfernandez21907 so cool :)
Nobody has portrayed Bruce Wayne as well as Ben Affleck in this scene.
Agreed
And they want to replace Ben Affleck what a joke
He left
@@frobsonsdesenhos hes back
@@frobsonsdesenhos He is finally back way back on August 25, 2020 for The Flash movie! :D
@Sergio Balaguera Remember he quit because of the mess Warner Bros did to some DCEU movies and Jhoss Whedon messing Justice League and Batman.
He had quit they didn't replace him but him and the actor of superman had quit
People: Batman doesn't kill ! Why does he kill ? There's no reason ! Snyder doesn't understand the character !
Zack Snyder: This scene from 1:24 to the end
Exactly! This scene alone explains why Batman is the way he is in the movie.
yeah but they should not have done this in the first movie with him in it. This is 5th batman movie level of stuff but greedy warner bros rushed the movies and ruined the characters. Hell at least put one solo batman film in before this movie
@@davinci3478 The Dark Knight Returns did literally the same thing and is commonly considered a masterpiece. Showing a war weary, paranoid, and murderous Batman who's way beyond his glory days. TDKR deconstructs the usual main picture of Batman without any predecessor comics that showed him in his prime, just like BvS does.
@@filmpalace2426 This batman murders people with a gun and he never did that in tdkr. Also what do you mean there was no predecessor batman before tdkr there was 30 years of batman. The death in the family comic is a direct predecessor to it. This film only alludes to that stuff happening. I agree with you in the fact that i like this batman and i’m fine with him killing but because of studio and corporate greed this story doesn’t work. this is like if logan was your introductory to wolverine. This is a great story but was completely rushed and falls apart because of that
@@davinci3478 Uhm yes, there were 30 years of Batman before, but they weren't directly connected to TDKR. A Death in The Family isn't a direct predecessor to TDKR. Dude, it was even released 2 years after TDKR. There were also 7 Batman movies, before BvS, but they aren't related to it. It is the same thing. Oh, and Batman shot a guy in the head and blew a buch of mutants away with the batmobile in TDKR. It is just directly shown like this.
Whomever came up with the idea to cast Jeremy Irons as Alfred Pennyworth deserves a damn medal!
And a fucking pay raise!
Batfleck look badass even when he’s just walking out of that elevator. Did you see how big he is? He looks like a goddamn gigachad
Sooo True
Yup. Fun fact, every time I play this video, I always need to take a second to rewind the first opening seconds when he’s coming out of that elevator. The way his arms are crossed above his waist, dude just looks like someone who doesn’t like to fuck around anymore. I always replay those first two seconds
@@ImaginaryNate I literally had the same thought when I first watched this scene.
I love how hands-on this Alfred is and I love the natural chemistry between these two. I didn't even need to see multiple movies to believe they have history. From this first scene, they were instantly believable. This duo is perhaps one of the biggest things I'll miss moving forward. Would have been really great to have seen more of them in a Batman movie.
I love this Alfred! He drinks on the job, doesn't give a flying fuck anymore.
House of Enigma He's home all day, who cares? He cpuld be in the Batcave in Gucci boxers, shirtless, a long beard, with flip flops, and it wouldn't matter.
It's a shame we won't get a solo movie with this version, this version deserves one.
Say what you want about the movie, you gotta admit that Ben affleck as Batman and Jeremy irons as Alfred was a really good casting choice and the chemistry these two give is incredible and well written and acted.
I wish justice league would have even remotely tried to match the tone of this movie, feel like Joss Weeden fucked up how Batman should be.
Superman of Earth 22 I think his purpose was to actually fuck up the movie because maybe he wants MCU to always stay on top.
Martha
Ah, Joss Whedon. Everything is comedy because people like comedy. If BvS got something right, that was the tone.
when you get the tone "right" and everything else completely wrong. what does it even matter? you've got a tone you like with no character development, a plot that makes no sense, sloppy world building, no establishing anything, just go to the next scen of something happening, then the next, then the next... until you get to 30 mins of fighting a cgi monster and then once you've crammed every major superman sotry into one movie, you end it with some more flashbacks within scenes that are two different scenes smushed together. because in the superman uneral scene you absolutely need the bamna and ww talking scene and the flash back to batman talking to lex scene only for it to come back t current time, cnclude the bm ww talking scene and then conclude the superman funeral scene. my god this movie was a complete mess. but yeah tone. whoopty dooooo
@NGL Boyz lexs plan to make batman hate superman. By sending him cheques back with stuff written in them, but which bruce doesnt see till the end of the second act. WHY lex wants to do any of what he is doing. What the hell lex was supposed to do with his "backup plan" to " kill superman" .(that being his plan is not actually established at all.) Did he want doomsday to destroy the entire planet? Lex apparently wants to destroy everything.
The movie spoons feeds the viewer garbage. Superman can know lois is falling from a building when he had left the city to go have a hallucination of his dead dad on a mountain but he cant find his mother? They dont even put her in a lead lined room or anything.
Superman can't save her when bruce knows where she is but batman can show up and save her even though they should have set her on fire the moment the batwing showed up.
The depressing montage of superman reluctantly kinda helping people after disaster has struck. All of the superman crap that snyder handled poorly in mos is back only now its even less well established and goes nowhere. But then at the end he just decides "this is his planet too" out of nowhere.
The movie is complete garbage, terrible writing. Absolutely terrible directing
I've seen this film a couple of times now and everytime I see Affleck coming down that lift I cannot get over how big he looks! There is something about the way he holds himself in that shot that just makes him look even bigger than he is
Thomas Gardner Yeah, his chest is out and the suit widens his frame
Confidence
Thomas Gardner He is pretty tall too
He's a big guy.
Harman Sahani for you
1:15 Look at Alfred's expression. He KNOWS Bruce is lying.
Whatever you may think of this movie, Jeremy Irons, you must admit, has a beautiful, beautiful voice.
Oh man i love this Bruce Wayne, so dark, so broken. And the line "we're criminals Alfred, we've always been criminals, nothings changed" just hits different.
The best version of the Batman was in this film.
LOVE THIS SCENE!! The Bruce-Alfred relationship feels straight from the animated series to me. A lot of the theatrical cut pissed me off & didn't work, but this was perfect. The defenders of Killer Batman also love to point out this scene but I think it's obvious he's talking about the branding and more angry/violent nature. Not necessarily the killing. Killing's a major thing and I think they just brushed it off, considering he's been murdering for a while but they don't really go into it
They don't go too into it, I'll admit that much, but it is implied in scenes other than this one that Batman has been going too far as of late (a news article Clark is reading LITERALLY reads "Has Gotham's Caped Crusader Finally Gone Too Far?"). Although there's nothing to say whether or not they're talking about both Batman killing and the branding or just the branding. Even in this scene I'd say it's a bit too ambiguous to safely say Alfred is definitely talking about the branding. Even then, while Snyder was dumb enough to kill off Superman in the second fucking movie, I SERIOUSLY hope he wasn't willing to treat the no kill rule seriously. I don't even mean never breaking it, I literally just mean him breaking it being a big deal from now on. I'd be happy if Joker taunted him even slightly about it, talking about how he crossed the line over to his side and shit, would be cool as hell.
If I remember lately, the Batman of this world has been at the Bat-game for 20 years. They've been pushing past that "thou shalt not kill" line for probably years, to the point that maybe even Alfred has gotten desensitized to Batman's actions a bit.
I know what you mean. That doesn't mean he still technically got killed off at least temporarily. And it was such a dumb move to do it THIS early in the DCEU. It'd be like Marvel temporarily killing off Iron Man in Iron Man 2 only for him to come back in The Avengers, like what fucking sense would that make at all?
DeadlyWest 2 different stories are being told with 2 diff characters.You call Snyder dumb but don't even realize this are 2 different things.Everytime someone makes a statement about the DCEU comparing it to what Marvel did at a particular moment,I just shake my head.Iron Man isn't Superman & Superman isn't Iron Man.Snyder & Co killing off Superman in the 2nd movie isn't the equivalent of "Marvel killing off Iron Man in Iron Man 2".Pay attention to the story being told & stop insulting creatives about decisions they made because you think Marvel didn't do that.It's getting boring.Pay attention to the story being told.
I am paying attention to the story being told. And that's why I believe the story being told could've been TEN times better. Imagine the entire Justice League being at Superman's funeral, imagine a Superman being beaten to death by a terrifying monster as he does everything he can to save the people he loves. Wanna know how many Superman comics there were before the death of Superman? THOUSANDS. How many movies did Snyder do Superman? TWO. I want to grow a deep and personal connection with this Superman. But now I can't. And trust me, me using the MCU for my similes doesn't automatically think "ZOMG THE MCU IS THE BEST" No, it isn't. Iron Man 2 was shit, Thor was mediocre at best, etc. In the same way that I thought Man of Steel was good and Batman v Superman was okay but robbed us of seeing some fucking amazing stories being told on the big screen.
I don’t understand why people think Batman is stupid in this movie. Wouldn’t you also be scared shitless and skeptical as hell if you witness two invincible people destroy half a city effortlessly?
Plus this Batman is broken, old and probably lost most of his morality. I can see why he would want to kill Superman
I guess most people's thought processes operate under comic book logic. they think the world should accept a superpowered alien just because. it never made sense to me how Batman and Superman became friends in the regular timeline, considering how extremely paranoid he is about everything and anything. what Zack did, making Batman appreciate Superman due to his sacrifice/death at the hands of Doomsday after almost killing him himself due to his distrust, becoming more optimistic and even faithful in the process makes for a better arc than just "let's be friends I guess, random alien guy whom I just met".
Irons doesn’t look like the typical Alfred but goddamn he plays the role well. I’m sorry, but I think I favor him over Caine’s, and Caine’s Alfred was excellent.
I agree, he’s a little bit younger and he’s not wearing a suit
even though I don't particularly like Geoff Johns after what he pulled behind the scenes, this particular Alfred seems to be based on the one from his Batman: Earth One graphic novel, and that's something that I like. Pattinson's Batman will take great inspiration from that comic as well, and maybe Serkis' Alfred will follow suit.
Both good, just serving different Bruces
This version of the Batcave is like a mixture between the New 52 and the Nolanverse version. By the way, did anyone catch that reference to Batman: Mask of the Phantasm at 1:10?
Jake Rutigliano yes
Irons killed it as Alfred. Great acting.
I love how the last line applies to Batman almost three times over, given his origins, Jason, and now Superman
1:10
Cool reference to the first Batman animated movie, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm.
roller_47 yeah
This definitely plays up the ex military multi talented Alfred that we have come to love in the more modern comics. It almost makes it reasonable that Bruce can be Batman by being raised by a man like this. However even tho this Alfred is deadly, skilled and talented. He still is very proper, deeply cares for Bruce, and holds a strong since of morality that in reality holds Bruce back from going off the edge. I honestly believe this and Superman's sacrifice is why Batman goes back to not killing human criminals by the time of Suicide Squad.
Tim Burton's Batman
Alfred: A loyal butler to the Wayne's for years with no real backstory other than he was a really caring individual to Bruce and supported him no matter what. He never really voiced his disagreement seriously or corrected Bruce. He was a loyal servant and a great father figure.
Christopher Nolan's Batman
Alfred: Came from a long line of butlers that serviced the Wayne's (Potentially had an ex-actor background and I might miss a few details). This Alfred was stated to be the heart of batman where Fox was the brains and bats was the psychical force. A trinity that relied on each other. He voiced his opinion quite often and wasn't above disciplining Bruce. Showing that he was more than just a servant but a surrogate father who deeply cares about him. More so than any other form of Alfred I have seen. You can truly feel the love Alfred has for the young Master Wayne. But he does his job and out of love he does what he can to help Batman's crusade.
Zack Synder's Batman
Alfred: This is definitely the ex-military origin that was retconned in Earth One with a mixer of the more modern 90s and early 2000s Alfred. Alfred as been for quite some time in the comics an actor and intelligence agent. He was changed to SAS, to Air Force Medic, to both plus being a spy and actor. To so many different spy/military backgrounds. However the type I believe this one to be is this. I filled in allot the backstory because not much is given yet.
He was a former medic in the Royal Marine's and served with Thomas Wayne potentially joint operation where they became good friends both having saved each other's life. Thomas went to gain his inheritance, became a doctor and created Wayne Industries in Gotham where Alfred continued his career through MI6. When Alfred quit to follow his life long dream of becoming an actor he failed miserably and really fail on hard times. Thomas upon hearing this hired his friend as his head of security. Alfred heard death threats against the Wayne's and advised Thomas not to go out. But Thomas did and ended up dying. It is later that he found out that he was the listed Godfather of Bruce and a letter asking Alfred to promise to take care of him. Feeling guilty for not protecting the Wayne's he agree. He presents himself as a butler how else would you explain him valeting and servicing Bruce. Calling him Master(Which is just proper) but in reality he is a mentor. He was the first trainer of Batman and his personal adviser to this day on cases. He uses his skills in intelligence, medical and military experience to service Batman. In a way he has always supported Bruce's vigilantist ways because he too wants revenge and justice. But he always out of deep care for Bruce wants them to be on a moral high ground. He still is very proper, deeply cares for Bruce, and holds a strong since of morality that in reality holds Bruce back from going off the edge.
I would have loved to see Snyder's interpretation of the League of Shadows in a standalone Batman film. I could imagine the brutality of Batman's training, etc.
I always found amazing the fact that Batman just freed a bunch of people of being slave or who knows what else and says to Alfred that it was nothing because he didn't find what he was looking for. It really shows how much he has change
Damn never think of this thank you
"That's how it starts. The fever... the rage... the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel."
0:23 replay button
Really helpful 😂
Bro I LOVE the voice changer. Makes so much more sense then ruining your throat for years gargling when you talk
The best scene in the whole film. Best writing, Alfred/Bruce have the most chemistry of anyone else in this film, the cave is beautiful, the music, and love the tech. The voice mic sounds glorious too, reminds me when Batman dosed Crane with his own medicine in Begins.
I love how Alfred's jokes are just his answers during his on going argument with Bruce.
I love how Bruce says we've always been criminals, this is the duo I've wanted more of, pissed off Uncle Al
0:36 how does jeremy irons nail that perfectly good alfred voice
SO THIS SCENE is saying that before the events of Man Of Steel, before Batman started feeling powerless, he didn't kill people.
"...That turns good men... cruel." Refering to Bruce and his "New rules" (when he showed him the paper) !
I’m thinking after this universe’s Jason Todd was killed Bruce started becoming more and more violent and especially after Superman his anger has consumed him
Exactly. The movie isn't saying it's ok that Batman kills. Its saying it isn't, that something is wrong with Bruce. That's the whole point. Nolan's Batman would have headed down the same path, as would every iteration of Batman. You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. We just happen to be seeing Batman at that point. He's still the same Batman, he's just gone too long without results. It took Superman to bring him back from the brink of straight out murdering in cold blood. Before that, he indirectly killed. He had the attitude that if you happen to be in the car that's shooting at him and you get killed, then you shouldn't have been there. He justifies it. He convinced himself that he isn't killing. He has PTSD.
I love this interpretation. No, Batman doesn't kill. But, the movie is making you ask why he does. It's not glorifying it and it's not something he always did.
I think people miss that in the film. Batman doesn't kill, but a Batman that goes long enough may.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 wow, that's amazing !
Exactly
@@itsalwayssomething7490 100%.
i love that this batman finds out supes and actually does some detective work
Bales Batman did deceptive work in Dark knight rises and dark knight and also in batman begins
Apple leonardo michaelangelo Donatello Raphael yet, he couldn't figure out Clark was Superman and that Luthor was playing them both. Yeah, that's some real nice detective work.
Jesse Ray does not matter he was far better batman/bruce wayne than bale
Apple leonardo michaelangelo Donatello Raphael yet it takes him almost the whole movie to realise that Superman is one of the good guys and they are both being set up.
NightHawk92 Cause Luthor is SO omniscent that figured out both identities.
What this movie had and did best. Alfred.Bruce Wayne.Batman.choreography. tone.
almost everything did best
Gulyanne Cepeda pretty much yeah.
BATFLECK IS THE BEST BATMAN, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
Yes!
Not even close. Michael Keaton is the best and always will be.
@@GetToDaChoppa-k5r 😑 lets be honest bale is goat
@@itzrealkcdixon Keaton*
@@mw6309 😐😑
jeremy Irons is so good
1:45 Alfred: The Gods hurl thunderbolt.
Shazam: Lightning with my hands.
Alfred Pennyworth predicted Shazam's future debut.
I love how Alfred instantly knew (or maybe had a feeling) that Bruce was lying to him about the bomb. He instantly warned him that he was gonna become cruel.
"You've changed things... forever. There's no going back."
(shows Bruce watching replays of footage of people he is looking into and wanting to defeat).
This scene seems like a pretty direct reference to The Dark Knight ("everything's changed" and the footage of Kryptonians as a threat Bruce wants to defeat).
I have high hopes for the future of DC movies; I'm glad they introduced a new Batman because Bale's wouldn't have worked, and it was nice to see a superhero story with a real end, as opposed to a villain of the week scenario (the best comic stories are not villain of the week crap; they alter continuity and character for real).
But yeah, TDK forever.
a real end? cram in as many superman stories as possible, have him be killed by the cgi monster thrown in the last 20 mins? thats a terrible end.
+Graeme Evans i think the real ending thing is referring to the TDK trilogy...
Ben Affleck has always been a good looking dude, but in BvS he was an absolute stud. Comic -book -handsome.. Movie star handsome. Fit as Bruce Wayne should look.. Perfect for superhero Batman
Initially i thought Ben Affleck won't fit but man he was the best casting Choice for an old batman.
this right here. the key concept of almost EVERY comic book superhero: the feeling of powerlessness
Thats the exact opposite of ever cb superhero's concept. They were literally power fantasies
That's how it starts; the fever ,the rage ,the feeling of powerlessness ,that turns good men cruel - Alfred
How true can that be!
Such a great line delivered there
"could be a phantasm"
never realized that line was said
Everything about Ben Affleck screams Bruce Wayne/Batman. The way he walks in with his wide build, the looks that he throws around, Alfred's dialog. Not a fan of BvS but Snyder sure nailed the Batman atmosphere. Except for the murder parts.
The murder parts were supposed to be explained in the later movies.
If only the studios allowed.
dammit bruce, even in your house you still wearing a badass gentleman suit
Reza Galih facts
Ben Affleck is just a goddamn sensational actor who is always perfect to play this role as both Bruce Wayne and Batman. He is and always will be my FAVOURITE Dark Knight.
If we never saw the movie, and they only introduced it with this scene here, it makes it all even more exciting.
I still get chills hearing Alfred go "No Master Wayne.....*everything's* changed."
"We're criminals Alfred, we've always been criminals"
"New rules, everything has changed".
Two lines. These two lines is all we need to understand Batman's emotional state and justify his following actions
Yet morons are still bitching about Batman killing and Zack not understanding the character
When we say that haters just didn't bother to get BvS we're not pretentious. It's fact
Exactly! Fuck these haters who don't fucking pay attention, its right there literally being told by the actors and also visually, just look at their faces and acting it says it all. Shame, what could of been.
Yeah but batman killed lol
@@jaimeurielmartinez4558 just because of this, you think batman killing is ok. That's batmans like only rule and you think because of zack snyder's "vision" it's ok for him to change the character?
@@marcusyancey9670 it's completely okay, it's more than okay for anyone that's telling their story to do as they want as long as their is a reason behind it. A logical one, the film was digging into, clearly would of been explored and more deeply explained if we would of gotten to see Ben Afflecks solo trilogy and how he got to where he did. Comic books do it, they have their own interpretations all the time. It was in one film he was okay with people dying, he clearly lost his mind and he realized that. No one needs to cry over this and get their feelings hurt and say the movie is now crap. People bitch so much and ruin shit because they dont want to understand shit. You could say " I dont like that hes killing in this film, I want to understand where this is coming from(even thought it was explained very well in BvS but I guess it wasn't enough for the haters) I want to see this explained further and see how he became this way vs this film is shitty it's the worst, zack snyder this Zack snyder that(even though he didnt write the film)fuck wb and blah blah blah. People are so sensitive these days. Give the films a chance, there was a whole plan for all of this universe and story. It's funny because in the tim burton films their is so much killing too from batman but the haters dont bitch(as they shouldn't anyway). Let the filmmakers do what they're doing, they have a plan and a vision and they know what they are doing much more than you and me do and especially more than the sensitive butthurt people.
@@jaimeurielmartinez4558 well obviously his vision didnt work out how he planned.
00:01 jesus,Ben Affleck is big
When Alfred tells Bruce the line “innocence dies” you can clearly hear a sound byte of young Bruce screaming. Man I love the details and the little things that Zack has in his films.
Great catch!
Bro you're on some other level of brain power👌
We are criminals Clark we always have been
"Criminals are like weeds Alfred."
Max Jones the only diference is that you have a boss now
Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne is the most Bruce Wayne looking Bruce Wayne. He plays the role perfectly. Too perfect.
1:20
I honestly don't know how much more they could have spelled it out as loud and clear as to why Batman's gone over the edge. People hate this movie and wonder why Batman is branding and mowing criminals down and they pretty much said it aloud right there. What more do you need? "I kill people because I've gone mad"?
Red Thorn And still can't kill the Joker
Had Batman run into the Joker on his kill-rampage, I'd reckon he'd have snuffed him out no problem. But the next time he encounters the Joker in Suicide Squad, he already gave up on his kill-spree hence why he's still running around.
Clock suicide squad was set up 3 years before BvS
I hate this film and I think Batman's motivation was great, even without this scene it would've worked because we see Bruce's motivation become clear during the retcon of Man of Steel.
I actually love all of the Batman stuff in this film. It was everything that made the movie suck, and ended up sinking the entire DCEU, which is unfortunate
TheeLightBearer oh boy I'll try to keep this as short as possible
1) Superman is not likeable (granted I dont dislike him per se, rather I find him bland and mopey)
2) most of the characters motivations make no sense or they have flawed logic
3) the movie wastes time trying to make Batman hate Superman more (bombing of congress + his vision/dream sequence) which is pointless IMO because Batman already hates Superman and thinks he's a threat because of what happened in Man of Steel. If they cut those sequences out the movie would run a lot smoother
4) Simply put, ALOT of the things in the film don't make sense (Superman getting blamed for the incident in Africa, Lex Luthors plan regarding doomsday, Batman being manipulated by Lex, I can go on)
5) Hardly any establishing shots: it's hard to get engrossed in this universe when there aren't that many establishing shots. The lack of these shots also make for really sloppy scene transitions.
6) MARTHAAAAAA
and for the love of god please don't try to explain it to me. I understand what Snyder was going for, it just failed in execution and was extremely laughable.
7) Wonder Woman was shoe-horned into the movie to establish the Justice League when they didn't need to do that (or if they had to, at least put the sequence in an end credits scene). Again it was just more waisted time
8) The doomsday fight: doomsday was just a giant monster they had to fight at the end. There is no internal conflict, and no ideas/morals being challenged.
Now I am FINE with something like this in a superhero movie IF the movie is just trying to be goofy/lighthearted (like the marvel films) BUT in a film like BvS thats trying to be a deep, thought-provoking, political film we need something better than that.
9) Superman's death: Superman dies unnecessarily (seriously Batman could have stabbed doomsday) only to be resurrected by the time of Justice League. This makes his sacrifice lose all of its value.
10) The depressing tone: again I'm fine with a depressing superhero movie (like The Dark Knight or Logan) BUT all of the other elements need to be there. I need to like the characters and the writing needs to be great. BvS just doesn't have that, and when you compound that with a depressing tone it makes for a really miserable viewing experience.
Good Things in the film:
Ben Affleck as Batman
Jeremy Irons as Alfred
Han Zimmer makes great music
And if you like this movie that's fine, don't let me stop you from enjoying it, but objectively speaking there is a LOT wrong with this movie.