▶️ James Harden "travel" step back explained: ua-cam.com/video/G-MQRcwtWts/v-deo.html ▶️ What's a carry in basketball explained: ua-cam.com/video/i3xxP9etprw/v-deo.html
The key is "control of the ball". This makes it almost impossible to call bc the game is happening way too fast to tell at what exact point the ball has been gathered while simultaneously watching when each foot is stepping.
just count the steps after he picks up the ball. shit is easy. then if they try and argue it tell em that they took the 0 step after picking the ball up so its a travel. u can agree with em and still prove em wrong
So you play NBA rules in a pickup game I'm pretty sure people are in the block for more than 3 seconds to so call those two call the in the paint violation but you won't
Not one of the demo steps was anywhere near some of the travels I've seen on UA-cam. You've confirmed that most of the ones I've seen are definitely traveling. Thanks
This is how I was taught this is normal... other videos explaining the gather step they're taking 3 to sometimes 4 steps after picking up the dribble smh
@@dillonbynum8711 Harden is doing absolutely legal moves based on NBA rules 96% of time, what are you talking about. NBA referees are the professionals, so where you see travel (cause you don't know rules), they don't call
@@jniggz88 facts people argue with me I'm taking a real 2 steps I told them if I could take 3 or 4 I'm getting a bucket every time and by no means am I the coldest but I'm solid
These NBA gather/control rules have been invented out of thin air just a few years ago, and it is changing the game for the worse. It's just a matter of time before all players eventually master the "0 step" and virtually all lay ups will consist of 3 steps because it's virtually impossible to objectively determine control or gather. It's very subjective, and the fact that they claim this can to be decided in real time by a referee is quite frankly an insult to one's intelligence. So long the days where a player like Dr. J had to perform miraculous dances around his defenders with just 2 steps. It was like a ballet. Having 3 steps at your disposal (by mastering a so called gather step) changes the game entirely.
Aren’t all basketball rules invented out of thin air? But the gather or 0 step rule is in the NBA and FIBA, so pretty much world wide professional leagues. NCAA and NFHS don’t have the 0 step rule yet.
The zero step/gather step rule just formalized what was already in existence, there's ALWAYS a step that you take with a live dribble prior to corralling the ball and taking your two steps. All the NBA did was codify it
@@DanA-ls8og there is almost no point of dribbling now. Players should be able to body check a offending player essentially now so defense have an equal advantage when defending.
In college basketball, technically it is a travel violation. It is the definition of pivot foot that matters to determine if it is legal or illegal, not the number of steps after dribble. It is the consideration of while gathering the ball that makes a lot of confusion.
@@martinmarcinkevic3893 double step back is a genial move based on the rule that you can do as much steps as you want while DRIBBLING. Until you catch/palm the ball, untill your hand is not under the ball, you DRIBBLING, so you can do as many steps as you want
The examples shown were not travels, what many NBA players do is twice that. As it stands, maybe there s/b a running back position in the NBA: run it up court, pass it to the RB and then just barrel towards the hoop without dribbling.
This rule was integrated in 2018 in FIBA and NBA in 2019. This was a travel in the past, but they stopped calling this from 2003-2004 when the nba was changed by gathering off the wrong foot. Please don’t pretend this was always part of NBA rules unless you suggest that everyone before 2003-2004 year just didn’t know they could take an extra step. This was considered a travel because you gather and that foot that is down was considered your pivot foot, you could lift it but you could not return it to the ground, unless you did a Hop Stop, and neither foot was a pivot foot. I am not sure if this zero step is integrated into highschool or other leagues...
It wasn't added per se more like clarified. The gather step was acceptable since the 80's (maybe even earlier) they just don't call it the "gather step" back then. I watched a lot of 80's games since my dad have a shit ton of DVD of games in that era and they don't call them travelling.
@@monkeydog8681 It was added and check the videos again. When you gathered while taking that step, that step was the first step. In fact there is none of the two step in general, you have to understand the real basketball rules still in effect around the world. When you pick up the ball that foot is your pivot foot, then if it is raised you are not allowed to establish another pivot foot you have to shoot or pass. You could gather and hop stop that was where none of the two feet when landed could be pivots. But in general you will see them gather when stepping with right foot then lift take that one more step and go up with it. That's just the way it is in real basketball.
On point. Too many players were coming into the league with AND1 habits so they HAD to stop calling it so strictly. Same reason the 3 point line was moved forward because players couldnt shoot worth a damn in the early 00s.
@@bpmachete so basically u only have one step after picking the ball up to go for a layup? thats what ur tryna say???? ur just making things up bro people have been gather stepping since the 80s. ill link u a video. idk what ur talking about "real basketball" when michael jordan himself waas gather stepping. it seems u just mad that u cant guard these newer moves. instead of 2 steps for a layup ppl take two steps back wards for a step back. or they take 2 steps for a euro. its not a travel just because u got schooled bro. ua-cam.com/video/SKdsA66Y0aQ/v-deo.html - 80s n 90s gather steppin
I appreciate that he mentioned that those are NBA rules for basketball. Wether its NBA, FIBA, or whatever league their rules apply to those leagues. When you go to a court for none organized basketball are you really expecting people who may have played their for decades to adopt rules they had never played under simply because some organized league made or changed rules? Professional leagues are entertainment and often change rule with that in mind.
two steps A player who gathers the ball while progressing may (a) take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball or (b) if he has not yet dribbled, one step prior to releasing the ball to start his dribble.
Yes, it's a travel. It's always been a travel, it's just that the NBA stopped calling travels back in the early 2000's, and have now updated the rulebook so that all those missed calls were made legal after the fact. Here's the progression: 1) NBA players start drafting players before they have enough development to actually learn how to play the game of basketball. 2) Athletically gifted but unskilled players don't learn proper footwork. 3) NBA referees don't want to stop every third play because they have to teach 19 year olds how to dribble in a regular season game. 4) The league devolves, and the next thing you know, everyone now takes three steps after the last bounce. Go back and watch any highlight reel of NBA dunks from before 2000, and you won't find any of that gather-step nonsense. They take two steps after the last bounce.
This is very well said, Traveling is easily one of the calls missed the most. For anyone who’s played basketball these moves with an extra step (making it three total) don’t even feel natural. This rule was changed in 2009 I believe and since then the nba has been less enjoyable to watch in my opinion.
If you bounce the ball on your last step while you step that is the gather so you can take 3 steps cleanly hence "they take 2 steps off of the last bounce"
There is no question about this move. It is the same thing as if you caught the ball and put it on the floor with both hands poping up to shoot a shot (post move). It is also the same thing as a hop step. The hop step is a gather step. The gather step is done correctly when the ball and the floor meet at the same time. I have never seen other wise
But doesn't the whole basketball franchise go with the nba? You're telling me that you cant dribble, can hold the ball as long as you want in a pickup game? Rules change overtime.
I think you are reading the rules wrong. "Gaining control of the ball" refers to situations where it is not quite clear who the controlling player is. If you just pick up the ball after dribbling, that rule normally doesn't even come into play.
Great video coach. There are so many videos that are getting more views and spreading false information. They should write a disclaimer that the "gather" step only applies to MVP caliber players that makes 100s of millions of revenue for the entertainment business called the NBA.
Bruh pick up games be calling me travel on this 20 years ago, took a break from using it and use my hook shot fade away instead…but now I brought the euro/side step back in my bag it’s a killer move..
The trick is you step with the opposite foot to the hand which is dribbling the ball. So if I’m dribbling right handed I make step with my left then 1-2 clean layup
If you play with this rules offense has way more advantages..i understand they just rule and if they are the same for everybody is fine.. But seriously like this offense is way easier. Just saying, I hope you are conscious about it. Playing like this "nba" rules makes a player more evasive,this means more iso and less team basketball, also this should be taken In consideration.
@@monkeydog8681 shits dumb af it should strictly be 2 steps a dribble as soon as that ball hits your hands…this extra step is honestly why I suck at basketball I try no to travel and I feel like mfers are traveling all over the place
What a lot of people don't know: - As it doesn't matter what you do with your feet while dribbling (as explained in this video) - it doesn't matter what you DO WITH YOU HANDS / THE BALL while taking your 2 steps (as long as you don't start another dribble)! So you can pass the ball to yourself (even multiple times) after the gather! As long as you don't - violate the traveling rules (> 2 steps, landing on the same foot, ...) with your feet - and don't start another drible -> it's legal. When using the backboard to pass to yourself, even the number of steps doesn't count. The rules have much more margin than most people think.
Around the 1:30 you’re constantly cupping the ball which is traveling. It’s the Isiah Thomas special, no one can defend you when you’ve picked up your dribble and then start dribbling again
All I seen was 2 steps His picks up the ball takes on step then another step then lays it up I’m a older guy in my 30s When I play with younger folk My biggest pet peeve is they carry a lot Or take a extra step I never call it because people complain And it turns into a argument and a waste of time when I just wanna ball But your also at a disadvantage tho Playing Defence because they take that extra step or they freeze the ball in the air With their hand under the ball a little too much and re-dribble and say it’s a HEZI it’s BS because you have to predict and react at a pace that’s almost impossible at times I had somebody complain And said I was pushing on D Because when he drove and put body into me…I tightened up my body to stand tall and told me i was pushing They except you to just give open lanes I love playing ball but it’s hard at times Because of how people are or because your conscious of taking two step or about carrying the ball and where your hand is placed And it’s second nature because that’s how you grew up playing because of rules/calls
The problem is you start with the level that very few people play under those rules. That is not the rules at the *NF (high school level) or the NCAA* . That "gather step is considered the pivot foot and then if you pick up and put down that foot before passing or shooting, it is considered a traveling violation. There are no steps criteria for traveling. It is all about the pivot foot. Also, there is no such thing as a "league rule." The rules on traveling almost always directly use National Federation Rules, which are the rules that every state in the union uses for their high school associations. Most middle schools adopt those rules as well. It would be almost impossible to use their own rulebook or write their own rulebook. So they are not reinventing the wheel, they are using what is already out there. The final thing, traveling is almost always one of the hardest rules to officiate. It is hard because players move fast and often officials see only part of the action. You must have control of the ball and sometimes the play is going away from you or you are looking through bodies to see the ball or the feet. It is inconsistently called at all levels, from high school, and youth ball to the college and pro level. A lot of people view the NBA and try to apply it to the level they play at instead of the NF level where rules are clearly written and discussed. So just this video alone is partially contributing to the confusion of the rules by starting with NBA rules and not addressing the NF or NCAA Rules that most players will play. Even FIBA in this country is not the same as US Rules sets, and it should be noted if those are the people playing at that level the most.
Most guys who get traveling complaints take an EXTRA step after the one where you are shooting and not bringing your foot back down. Thats why people complain.
The worst is when players leap and call it a step. And the two steps to a stop still seems strange. I was always taught that you had to shoot or pass after your two steps. But the rule is clear. How long has that been the rule?
Yeah you can still practice using a tennis ball or even imagining you have a ball to work on body coordination, fluidity, movement patterns and footwork, but it's best to get a ball if you can. Even a really cheap one.
I have a question of Gather step I have understanded about it but I got a one point for make sure it. the point is this *When the Zero step(First step) we should take the ball with one hand? If it is two hand whe the first step, It is not the zero step It counts as a 1step. is there any link of the rule book for the this point?
Go ahead and 1,2 step and stop. Pivot off the 1 l, step through on the 2 after multiple pivots. Lift that pivot and pass the ball. You're going to get called for a travel. Technically the way people are trying to interpret the rule you can stand on the step through and it's not a travel if you don't put your pivot foot back down🤦🏾♂️
I'm not very good at basketball, but I used to give it to them on the courts with the two step rule. You have no idea how many times dudes would stop and claim I was traveling. Because I would get the ball, two step around their silly asses, and lay it up.
One question, If you are running without the ball and you plant one foot down then your other foot down and they are now both planted then you get the ball, can either foot be the pivot foot since both feet were equally planted before gather the ball.
Absolutely, you dont need to count any steps before you have the ball, in fact you could jump in the air and get a pass and as long as you land with both feet at the same time you can choose to pivot from either foot
In the first clip of the video, u have the gathering step. After that, u take 2 steps and do a lay-up. Would it be a travel call if you pivot after stepping the second step(right foot)? like a fake and after that u do the lay-up.
No, that would not be a travel. Even more, you can actually take another step. 2 steps, stop, pivot, 1 step, shoot/pass. The two steps is rule b. which he explained. The pivot, is rule d.
That's still wrong. Even if you give him three steps they go all the way to 10 steps and double dribble the ball and I'm not even talking about caring about and that's caring about what you saying. The problem is the league want the game to go fast but they don't want people to understand you can't not travel carry and double dribble. It's wrong no matter what the league rules are they teach you that all the way up to high school. It's wrong and those are the basic rules of the game. But they don't call them no more the ref.
Need to make one on fast breaks. The player has a pivot foot and CAN'T lift that pivot foot BEFORE dribbling the basketball. Jalen green just had a monster dunk but 100% traveled on the fast break. Happens so fast that you have to slow it down. It's a slippery slope though.
So what about a situation when player is rushing with the dribble. Hit the ball to the floor makes two steps before the ball comes back to his hands and makes two more steps. I think its a travel. Or...?
This is 100% ACCURATE! However, some of the stuff ive seen in the nba, includint James Harden, jts a travel. They say that james harden is doing a step back, but he's not. It's a full blown travel!
When I was playing at my school every time I do steps to get the ball in they think it’s a travel because ngl bro they call all those flippin legendary moves 💀
A gather is just a hestitation dribble. You can’t count the steps until the ball is at rest. The ball is at rest when the either the ball is palmed, two hands on the ball, or a hand under the ball. The word gather step confuses those who doesn’t know the rules fully. I’m a HS referee, so I better know the rules.
Idgaf I’m still gonna be that guy 😂😂😂 those are the best, funniest, most heated moments of pick up 😂😂😂 when you and your boys are going back and forth debating the call, talking shit 😂😭
When i was playing i spin and touched the ball on the upper side and they called it foul calling it a carry i don't know if the rule is different cus i don't usually play there i play in another basketball court and it was first time for me in there
NBA Edit Rule 10, Section XIII-Traveling[2] a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot. b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step. The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball. The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously. A player who comes to a stop on step one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he jumps with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor. A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot. A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor. c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor. d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball. e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding. f. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player. g. A player is not allowed to be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his backboard, basket ring or another player. h. Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the floor consecutively with the same foot (hop). Enforcement According to some observers, enforcement of the rule as written is not necessarily rigorous in the NBA, and traveling violations are often overlooked.[3][4][5]
I was taught one and 1/2 steps in high school period . The NBA rules allow for traveling to increase scoring that's why you don't see it called . The NBA today is a watered down me first weak version of what it once was - Fans want high scoring games and more dunks , so the NBA takes away the any real defense , and allows traveling, every decent player should be avg. 50 a night -
My elementary gym teacher told me this. I guess he was right and everybody else didn't receive his wisdom haha. I don't euro anymore because people don't understand the zero step. I take a huge step in 1 direction and gather the ball and finish with 1 step. People say I took 3!!!
There is no question about this move. It is the same thing as if you caught the ball and put it on the floor with both hands poping up to shoot a shot (post move). It is also the same thing as a hop step. The hop step is a gather step. The gather step is done correctly when the ball and the floor meet at the same time. I have never seen other wise.
And this is why you can’t guard anybody in the nba imagine if Jordan was allowed to do this lol he’d pick the ball up at 3 point line and dunk easily or a Clyde drexler. They dumbed down the game and I hate it
It should be "in act/or about to control the ball" because like Kyrie who use fake that looks like he about to shoot the ball but he didnt touch it with two hands then continue dribbling which is good, while harden has a way of delaying to hold the ball with two hands but has no intention to dribble it again and while doing that taking an extra step to gain advantage. There are players like D.Rose, Ginobli, MJ (cradle dunk) who gathers while having the ball with one arm and they dont have zero step. Lebron, Giannis, Harden are known to taking more steps than usual so its referees fault for not counting it and just used the zero step BS to save face. Gather step is better term than 0 step young bloods will took it as 0, 1, 2 instead of just 1, 2. 0 1 2 is 3 steps if not done right
How can you choose to do something with a basketball you have no control over? If it is in your hand, you have control of it. Their is a reason the gather steps began in the nba
This is NOT a travel.. The step count starts WHEN the player gets control of the ball.. its actually stated as GATHERING the ball.. as long as he is dribbling he can take steps.. then the player gathers the ball.. from there he gets 2 steps.. so its all about when the player stops dribbling gatherers and then has control of the ball.. many times it looks like NBA players take 3 steps.. but that first step is actually referred to as the ZERO step.. while they gather and then get control of the ball.. as long as he is dribbling it makes no difference how many little steps he takes as long as the ball is in motion from the dribble.. if he could move his feet 50 times in the time of 2 bounces of the ball, its nit a travel.. once he grabs the ball and gets control, its 2 steps.. if he was taking a step as he was gathering that is the zero step and then 2.. this is why so many people think Lebron and better players travel.. and i hate lebron.. jordan is the goat.. for simply not being a douchebag like lebron is.. so id love to stay hes a traveling SOB.. he's not & it hurts.. id love to say he's a cheat using his fame to get the easy referee calls.. the forgiving interpretation of traveling but i can't. Bottom line.. NOT A TRAVEL.
Sure wish you basketball video trolls would stop using NBA rules as examples. In high school basketball there is no zero step. The pivot foot is established when the dribble ends. You only get two steps after you end your dribble.
I agree, but the "steps" issue is confusing. The rule book states that after the dribble ends, you can not lift your pivot foot and return it back down to the ground before the ball is released from the hand for a shot or a pass. So usually on a layup one foot (the pivot foot by definition) is on the ground when the dribble ends, meaning you can only take one step with your non-pivot foot before the ball is released. The pivot foot can not come back down for a "second step" otherwise it is technically a travel by high school and college rules.
I really don’t see how this is called a travel. This could only be a travel if a person is stationary and has control of the ball and then proceeds to take 2 steps. Simply because the pivot foot is lifted and replaced without a dribble, which happens like crazy in the NBA. 2 steps with out a dribble from a stationary position is travel. Step back is perfectly legal.
Basically the NBA created the rules and cheated by changing the rules. Because this is mad new. This rule is still a travel. Like yo what’s a travel anymore if you can hold the ball and take 3 steps.
▶️ James Harden "travel" step back explained: ua-cam.com/video/G-MQRcwtWts/v-deo.html
▶️ What's a carry in basketball explained: ua-cam.com/video/i3xxP9etprw/v-deo.html
What u r doin is not a travel u make only 2 steps... But kyrie and harden that s absolutely travel...
Baby steps?
The key is "control of the ball". This makes it almost impossible to call bc the game is happening way too fast to tell at what exact point the ball has been gathered while simultaneously watching when each foot is stepping.
just count the steps after he picks up the ball. shit is easy. then if they try and argue it tell em that they took the 0 step after picking the ball up so its a travel. u can agree with em and still prove em wrong
So easy to create so called star players....
they all look like simple 1 2 step to me some how
yeah the zero step nowadays people use are more often happens at the same time player gathers the ball.
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It's so annoying when people call travelling on you in a pickup game because they think it's 2 steps per dribble
Literally just happened to me so I came here lol
So you play NBA rules in a pickup game I'm pretty sure people are in the block for more than 3 seconds to so call those two call the in the paint violation but you won't
It is.
You don’t get a 0 step in pickup games. It’s not the NBA
@@GudJonnyCakes I call 3 sec violations. Not strict about it tho because its a waste of time to have an argument EVERY GAME with casuals.
Not one of the demo steps was anywhere near some of the travels I've seen on UA-cam. You've confirmed that most of the ones I've seen are definitely traveling. Thanks
100%
This is how I was taught this is normal... other videos explaining the gather step they're taking 3 to sometimes 4 steps after picking up the dribble smh
Facts it’s crazy how people can like harden when that all he do and lebron
@@dillonbynum8711 Harden is doing absolutely legal moves based on NBA rules 96% of time, what are you talking about. NBA referees are the professionals, so where you see travel (cause you don't know rules), they don't call
@@jniggz88 facts people argue with me I'm taking a real 2 steps I told them if I could take 3 or 4 I'm getting a bucket every time and by no means am I the coldest but I'm solid
This is how it's done though. Other vids they are taking 3 to 4 steps and calling it a gather step. This is normal right here, not traveling.
These NBA gather/control rules have been invented out of thin air just a few years ago, and it is changing the game for the worse. It's just a matter of time before all players eventually master the "0 step" and virtually all lay ups will consist of 3 steps because it's virtually impossible to objectively determine control or gather. It's very subjective, and the fact that they claim this can to be decided in real time by a referee is quite frankly an insult to one's intelligence. So long the days where a player like Dr. J had to perform miraculous dances around his defenders with just 2 steps. It was like a ballet. Having 3 steps at your disposal (by mastering a so called gather step) changes the game entirely.
definitely agree
Is time to look away from nba.
Aren’t all basketball rules invented out of thin air? But the gather or 0 step rule is in the NBA and FIBA, so pretty much world wide professional leagues. NCAA and NFHS don’t have the 0 step rule yet.
The zero step/gather step rule just formalized what was already in existence, there's ALWAYS a step that you take with a live dribble prior to corralling the ball and taking your two steps.
All the NBA did was codify it
@@DanA-ls8og there is almost no point of dribbling now. Players should be able to body check a offending player essentially now so defense have an equal advantage when defending.
In college basketball, technically it is a travel violation. It is the definition of pivot foot that matters to determine if it is legal or illegal, not the number of steps after dribble. It is the consideration of while gathering the ball that makes a lot of confusion.
what pivot foot do u have if ur taking 2 steps for layup?
The step during a dribble is not counted, once the dribbling stopped, that is when you count the steps for travelling
@@watersports1381 When the dribble stop?
No it's not.
@@RobinXlone whichever foot hits the ground (or is already on the ground) when the ball is gathered.
None of the ones you did looked like travels. Clean 2 steps, then jump. If you count gather step, then it's 0,1.
He did a bunch of one step layups.
Between James, Giannis, and LeBron, I'm pretty sure LeBron has plenty of Shaqtin A Fool footage of him sliding that pivot foot all over the place lol
Harden got that ridiculous double step back tho, which tops that easily...
@@martinmarcinkevic3893 double step back is a genial move based on the rule that you can do as much steps as you want while DRIBBLING. Until you catch/palm the ball, untill your hand is not under the ball, you DRIBBLING, so you can do as many steps as you want
@@ogposer then why MJ got called for travel when he took 5 steps while the ball is floating?
@@ogposer do you even play basketball?
The examples shown were not travels, what many NBA players do is twice that.
As it stands, maybe there s/b a running back position in the NBA: run it up court, pass it to the RB and then just barrel towards the hoop without dribbling.
No they don't, you're still willfully misunderstanding the rules.
This rule was integrated in 2018 in FIBA and NBA in 2019. This was a travel in the past, but they stopped calling this from 2003-2004 when the nba was changed by gathering off the wrong foot. Please don’t pretend this was always part of NBA rules unless you suggest that everyone before 2003-2004 year just didn’t know they could take an extra step. This was considered a travel because you gather and that foot that is down was considered your pivot foot, you could lift it but you could not return it to the ground, unless you did a Hop Stop, and neither foot was a pivot foot. I am not sure if this zero step is integrated into highschool or other leagues...
It wasn't added per se more like clarified. The gather step was acceptable since the 80's (maybe even earlier) they just don't call it the "gather step" back then. I watched a lot of 80's games since my dad have a shit ton of DVD of games in that era and they don't call them travelling.
@@monkeydog8681 It was added and check the videos again. When you gathered while taking that step, that step was the first step. In fact there is none of the two step in general, you have to understand the real basketball rules still in effect around the world. When you pick up the ball that foot is your pivot foot, then if it is raised you are not allowed to establish another pivot foot you have to shoot or pass. You could gather and hop stop that was where none of the two feet when landed could be pivots. But in general you will see them gather when stepping with right foot then lift take that one more step and go up with it. That's just the way it is in real basketball.
Thank you. I wish we'd have been able to take 3 steps when I was in high school in the dim dear past.
On point. Too many players were coming into the league with AND1 habits so they HAD to stop calling it so strictly. Same reason the 3 point line was moved forward because players couldnt shoot worth a damn in the early 00s.
@@bpmachete so basically u only have one step after picking the ball up to go for a layup? thats what ur tryna say???? ur just making things up bro people have been gather stepping since the 80s. ill link u a video. idk what ur talking about "real basketball" when michael jordan himself waas gather stepping. it seems u just mad that u cant guard these newer moves. instead of 2 steps for a layup ppl take two steps back wards for a step back. or they take 2 steps for a euro. its not a travel just because u got schooled bro.
ua-cam.com/video/SKdsA66Y0aQ/v-deo.html - 80s n 90s gather steppin
Those all look like simple 1-2 steps. Can you do a video contrasting those steps with regular 1-2 steps?
Exactly. All of those were textbook 1-2 layups.
Yes, i dont think he underatands what people are calling a "gather step". This is a normal lay up.
I appreciate that he mentioned that those are NBA rules for basketball. Wether its NBA, FIBA, or whatever league their rules apply to those leagues. When you go to a court for none organized basketball are you really expecting people who may have played their for decades to adopt rules they had never played under simply because some organized league made or changed rules? Professional leagues are entertainment and often change rule with that in mind.
I think best thing before a pick up game is agreeing on what we consider as a travel so it isn’t as bad in game.
two steps
A player who gathers the ball while progressing may (a) take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball or (b) if he has not yet dribbled, one step prior to releasing the ball to start his dribble.
Your samples are great and are not travels, the ones Harden, Kyrie and Giannis do are though.
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Yes, it's a travel. It's always been a travel, it's just that the NBA stopped calling travels back in the early 2000's, and have now updated the rulebook so that all those missed calls were made legal after the fact. Here's the progression: 1) NBA players start drafting players before they have enough development to actually learn how to play the game of basketball. 2) Athletically gifted but unskilled players don't learn proper footwork. 3) NBA referees don't want to stop every third play because they have to teach 19 year olds how to dribble in a regular season game. 4) The league devolves, and the next thing you know, everyone now takes three steps after the last bounce.
Go back and watch any highlight reel of NBA dunks from before 2000, and you won't find any of that gather-step nonsense. They take two steps after the last bounce.
This is very well said, Traveling is easily one of the calls missed the most. For anyone who’s played basketball these moves with an extra step (making it three total) don’t even feel natural. This rule was changed in 2009 I believe and since then the nba has been less enjoyable to watch in my opinion.
If you bounce the ball on your last step while you step that is the gather so you can take 3 steps cleanly hence "they take 2 steps off of the last bounce"
There is no question about this move. It is the same thing as if you caught the ball and put it on the floor with both hands poping up to shoot a shot (post move). It is also the same thing as a hop step. The hop step is a gather step. The gather step is done correctly when the ball and the floor meet at the same time. I have never seen other wise
@@nsp932 Giannis exists and you call it less enjoyable??
But doesn't the whole basketball franchise go with the nba? You're telling me that you cant dribble, can hold the ball as long as you want in a pickup game? Rules change overtime.
I think you are reading the rules wrong. "Gaining control of the ball" refers to situations where it is not quite clear who the controlling player is. If you just pick up the ball after dribbling, that rule normally doesn't even come into play.
Uh no
tbh i watch all this type videos and then high school officials are just calling like 10yo's and you cant do anything about soo
Great video coach. There are so many videos that are getting more views and spreading false information.
They should write a disclaimer that the "gather" step only applies to MVP caliber players that makes 100s of millions of revenue for the entertainment business called the NBA.
I call every travel on pickup basketball. The rules r d rules partner. 😎
Wow. Really changed my perspective on things. I am 600th viewers and 60th liker lol
The NBA made up their own rules but in the real world of basketball that “gather” count as a step.
Nba is a basketball joke!
I agree. They value entertainment more than rules, it's a business.
I disagree. This was a necessary evolution. Spin move and step back are so common now, we couldn't go back
Bruh pick up games be calling me travel on this 20 years ago, took a break from using it and use my hook shot fade away instead…but now I brought the euro/side step back in my bag it’s a killer move..
The trick is you step with the opposite foot to the hand which is dribbling the ball. So if I’m dribbling right handed I make step with my left then 1-2 clean layup
If you play with this rules offense has way more advantages..i understand they just rule and if they are the same for everybody is fine.. But seriously like this offense is way easier. Just saying, I hope you are conscious about it. Playing like this "nba" rules makes a player more evasive,this means more iso and less team basketball, also this should be taken In consideration.
Can you dribble stop and then take two steps in basketball?
If you do that then you've used your gather step and 1st step. You're only allowed 1 more step
@@monkeydog8681 shits dumb af it should strictly be 2 steps a dribble as soon as that ball hits your hands…this extra step is honestly why I suck at basketball I try no to travel and I feel like mfers are traveling all over the place
can in NBA, but it will be travel in other leagues
People are just constantly stretching the rules. It's been happening since the very beginning.
My mans just taught me bout this today and I’m beyond amazed
What a lot of people don't know:
- As it doesn't matter what you do with your feet while dribbling (as explained in this video)
- it doesn't matter what you DO WITH YOU HANDS / THE BALL while taking your 2 steps (as long as you don't start another dribble)!
So you can pass the ball to yourself (even multiple times) after the gather!
As long as you don't
- violate the traveling rules (> 2 steps, landing on the same foot, ...) with your feet
- and don't start another drible
-> it's legal.
When using the backboard to pass to yourself, even the number of steps doesn't count.
The rules have much more margin than most people think.
Cool rules, now i can make the ball float until i want to have control over it, then regain it, dribble and take the 2 steps! : )
Around the 1:30 you’re constantly cupping the ball which is traveling. It’s the Isiah Thomas special, no one can defend you when you’ve picked up your dribble and then start dribbling again
All I seen was 2 steps
His picks up the ball takes on step then another step then lays it up
I’m a older guy in my 30s
When I play with younger folk
My biggest pet peeve is they carry a lot
Or take a extra step
I never call it because people complain
And it turns into a argument and a waste of time when I just wanna ball
But your also at a disadvantage tho
Playing Defence because they take that extra step or they freeze the ball in the air
With their hand under the ball a little too much and re-dribble and say it’s a HEZI it’s BS because you have to predict and react at a pace that’s almost impossible at times
I had somebody complain
And said I was pushing on D
Because when he drove and put body into me…I tightened up my body to stand tall and told me i was pushing
They except you to just give open lanes
I love playing ball but it’s hard at times
Because of how people are or because your conscious of taking two step or about carrying the ball and where your hand is placed
And it’s second nature because that’s how you grew up playing because of rules/calls
The problem is you start with the level that very few people play under those rules. That is not the rules at the *NF (high school level) or the NCAA* . That "gather step is considered the pivot foot and then if you pick up and put down that foot before passing or shooting, it is considered a traveling violation. There are no steps criteria for traveling. It is all about the pivot foot. Also, there is no such thing as a "league rule."
The rules on traveling almost always directly use National Federation Rules, which are the rules that every state in the union uses for their high school associations. Most middle schools adopt those rules as well. It would be almost impossible to use their own rulebook or write their own rulebook. So they are not reinventing the wheel, they are using what is already out there.
The final thing, traveling is almost always one of the hardest rules to officiate. It is hard because players move fast and often officials see only part of the action. You must have control of the ball and sometimes the play is going away from you or you are looking through bodies to see the ball or the feet. It is inconsistently called at all levels, from high school, and youth ball to the college and pro level. A lot of people view the NBA and try to apply it to the level they play at instead of the NF level where rules are clearly written and discussed. So just this video alone is partially contributing to the confusion of the rules by starting with NBA rules and not addressing the NF or NCAA Rules that most players will play. Even FIBA in this country is not the same as US Rules sets, and it should be noted if those are the people playing at that level the most.
Most guys who get traveling complaints take an EXTRA step after the one where you are shooting and not bringing your foot back down. Thats why people complain.
For every dribble your alowed two steps and the player with the ball has control if holding or bouncing the ball.
Wrong
@@stopmarcus3605 honestly I don't know the rules of basketball It was just my opinion
That's wrong.
Can you do a version for high school basketball where gather step is not allowed?
Thank very much coach
The worst is when players leap and call it a step. And the two steps to a stop still seems strange. I was always taught that you had to shoot or pass after your two steps. But the rule is clear. How long has that been the rule?
Coach I have a question I don’t have a ball I only have a skipping rope and a tennis ball can I still practice my handles
Yeah you can still practice using a tennis ball or even imagining you have a ball to work on body coordination, fluidity, movement patterns and footwork, but it's best to get a ball if you can. Even a really cheap one.
@@GetHandles tysm coach
I have a question of Gather step
I have understanded about it but I got a one point for make sure it.
the point is this
*When the Zero step(First step) we should take the ball with one hand?
If it is two hand whe the first step, It is not the zero step It counts as a 1step.
is there any link of the rule book for the this point?
Doesn't matter if it's one or two hands. What matters is if you are picking it up/ending you're dribble.
Your tips very useful to me
Happy to help!
If you both step and gather at the same time, is it still consider as 0 step? Or is it now your first step?
If you combine rules b *and* d...you'll see that you are allowed 3 step.
2 steps, stop, pivot, 1 step, shoot/pass.
Go ahead and 1,2 step and stop. Pivot off the 1 l, step through on the 2 after multiple pivots. Lift that pivot and pass the ball. You're going to get called for a travel. Technically the way people are trying to interpret the rule you can stand on the step through and it's not a travel if you don't put your pivot foot back down🤦🏾♂️
Can you gather step after a catch?
I'm not very good at basketball, but I used to give it to them on the courts with the two step rule. You have no idea how many times dudes would stop and claim I was traveling. Because I would get the ball, two step around their silly asses, and lay it up.
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Watch till the end for full context
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This video makes complete sense and they still travel in the NBA 🤣
Giannis, Harden and James often takes 2 more steps after the gather step, wich in fact is a travel violation.
There's another example, where to gather the ball between the 0 and 1 step, like Ginobli used to do.
Great video
One question,
If you are running without the ball and you plant one foot down then your other foot down and they are now both planted then you get the ball, can either foot be the pivot foot since both feet were equally planted before gather the ball.
Absolutely, you dont need to count any steps before you have the ball, in fact you could jump in the air and get a pass and as long as you land with both feet at the same time you can choose to pivot from either foot
When I was playing a 2v2 when I took one step the person that was blocking me said that’s a travel is that a travel?
So if you are unable to control the ball, you can walk over the entire court with it?
In the first clip of the video, u have the gathering step. After that, u take 2 steps and do a lay-up.
Would it be a travel call if you pivot after stepping the second step(right foot)? like a fake and after that u do the lay-up.
No, that would not be a travel. Even more, you can actually take another step.
2 steps, stop, pivot, 1 step, shoot/pass.
The two steps is rule b. which he explained. The pivot, is rule d.
How long has this “two step after gaining control” or the “zero step” rule been around in NBA?
That's still wrong. Even if you give him three steps they go all the way to 10 steps and double dribble the ball and I'm not even talking about caring about and that's caring about what you saying. The problem is the league want the game to go fast but they don't want people to understand you can't not travel carry and double dribble. It's wrong no matter what the league rules are they teach you that all the way up to high school. It's wrong and those are the basic rules of the game. But they don't call them no more the ref.
Need to make one on fast breaks. The player has a pivot foot and CAN'T lift that pivot foot BEFORE dribbling the basketball. Jalen green just had a monster dunk but 100% traveled on the fast break. Happens so fast that you have to slow it down. It's a slippery slope though.
I’m going into 8th grade basketball, with my layup i do a 1 2 step then jump on one foot and layup the basketball in the air, is that a travel?
Hey what's sup
Remember this and come back 10-15years later
These are fine
If you take 3 steps from your last dribble
It’s a travel
That’s it
So what about a situation when player is rushing with the dribble. Hit the ball to the floor makes two steps before the ball comes back to his hands and makes two more steps. I think its a travel. Or...?
2 steps allowed, 3 steps not allowed
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hi my name is josue rwima how do you do the the liyup in basket ball thank you james harden travel step back explain ed
Is control of the basketball when you stop dribble
This is 100% ACCURATE! However, some of the stuff ive seen in the nba, includint James Harden, jts a travel. They say that james harden is doing a step back, but he's not. It's a full blown travel!
When I was playing at my school every time I do steps to get the ball in they think it’s a travel because ngl bro they call all those flippin legendary moves 💀
A gather is just a hestitation dribble. You can’t count the steps until the ball is at rest. The ball is at rest when the either the ball is palmed, two hands on the ball, or a hand under the ball. The word gather step confuses those who doesn’t know the rules fully. I’m a HS referee, so I better know the rules.
gather step isnt a rule in highschool basketball
Please make the video on gathering step or 0 step
"Do not be that guy" - I Was about to do that, lol
Idgaf I’m still gonna be that guy 😂😂😂 those are the best, funniest, most heated moments of pick up 😂😂😂 when you and your boys are going back and forth debating the call, talking shit 😂😭
What’s crazy is , he never traveled in the way that made us all look this video up
Bro my trainer needs to see this I once took 1 step hit a 3 he called travel
How is this move called in English where you make 2 steps and shoot?
When i was playing i spin and touched the ball on the upper side and they called it foul calling it a carry i don't know if the rule is different cus i don't usually play there i play in another basketball court and it was first time for me in there
So i shoudnt use in Pick up game? Because i am sure, they arguing with me because of travel :/
just remmeber guys if your playing street ball try to ignore minor fouls and remmember to have fun
NBA
Edit
Rule 10, Section XIII-Traveling[2]
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step.
The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.
The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
A player who comes to a stop on step one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he jumps with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor.
A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot.
A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.
c. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
d. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
e. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
f. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
g. A player is not allowed to be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his backboard, basket ring or another player.
h. Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the floor consecutively with the same foot (hop).
Enforcement
According to some observers, enforcement of the rule as written is not necessarily rigorous in the NBA, and traveling violations are often overlooked.[3][4][5]
I was taught one and 1/2 steps in high school period . The NBA rules allow for traveling to increase scoring that's why you don't see it called . The NBA today is a watered down me first weak version of what it once was - Fans want high scoring games and more dunks , so the NBA takes away the any real defense , and allows traveling, every decent player should be avg. 50 a night -
Wrong
My elementary gym teacher told me this. I guess he was right and everybody else didn't receive his wisdom haha. I don't euro anymore because people don't understand the zero step. I take a huge step in 1 direction and gather the ball and finish with 1 step. People say I took 3!!!
Same thing happens to me so i understand smh
@Joe Jet Hey dats my move 😂
There is no question about this move. It is the same thing as if you caught the ball and put it on the floor with both hands poping up to shoot a shot (post move). It is also the same thing as a hop step. The hop step is a gather step. The gather step is done correctly when the ball and the floor meet at the same time. I have never seen other wise.
And this is why you can’t guard anybody in the nba imagine if Jordan was allowed to do this lol he’d pick the ball up at 3 point line and dunk easily or a Clyde drexler. They dumbed down the game and I hate it
It's also legal in FIBA since 2020
It should be "in act/or about to control the ball" because like Kyrie who use fake that looks like he about to shoot the ball but he didnt touch it with two hands then continue dribbling which is good, while harden has a way of delaying to hold the ball with two hands but has no intention to dribble it again and while doing that taking an extra step to gain advantage. There are players like D.Rose, Ginobli, MJ (cradle dunk) who gathers while having the ball with one arm and they dont have zero step. Lebron, Giannis, Harden are known to taking more steps than usual so its referees fault for not counting it and just used the zero step BS to save face. Gather step is better term than 0 step young bloods will took it as 0, 1, 2 instead of just 1, 2.
0 1 2 is 3 steps if not done right
Well I’m doing this now in pickup games
AFTER GAINING CONTROL OVER THE BALL!
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James harden is a fucking genius
Yes, 2 full steps once the ball is in control. All his examples I agree with. 2 full steps. Not 2 and a half/
How can you choose to do something with a basketball you have no control over? If it is in your hand, you have control of it.
Their is a reason the gather steps began in the nba
This is NOT a travel.. The step count starts WHEN the player gets control of the ball.. its actually stated as GATHERING the ball.. as long as he is dribbling he can take steps.. then the player gathers the ball.. from there he gets 2 steps.. so its all about when the player stops dribbling gatherers and then has control of the ball.. many times it looks like NBA players take 3 steps.. but that first step is actually referred to as the ZERO step.. while they gather and then get control of the ball.. as long as he is dribbling it makes no difference how many little steps he takes as long as the ball is in motion from the dribble.. if he could move his feet 50 times in the time of 2 bounces of the ball, its nit a travel.. once he grabs the ball and gets control, its 2 steps.. if he was taking a step as he was gathering that is the zero step and then 2.. this is why so many people think Lebron and better players travel.. and i hate lebron.. jordan is the goat.. for simply not being a douchebag like lebron is.. so id love to stay hes a traveling SOB.. he's not & it hurts.. id love to say he's a cheat using his fame to get the easy referee calls.. the forgiving interpretation of traveling but i can't. Bottom line.. NOT A TRAVEL.
right...lets call it creative travelling....lol
Sure wish you basketball video trolls would stop using NBA rules as examples. In high school basketball there is no zero step. The pivot foot is established when the dribble ends. You only get two steps after you end your dribble.
I agree, but the "steps" issue is confusing. The rule book states that after the dribble ends, you can not lift your pivot foot and return it back down to the ground before the ball is released from the hand for a shot or a pass. So usually on a layup one foot (the pivot foot by definition) is on the ground when the dribble ends, meaning you can only take one step with your non-pivot foot before the ball is released. The pivot foot can not come back down for a "second step" otherwise it is technically a travel by high school and college rules.
Guys can a player take two steps backwards with ball
I really don’t see how this is called a travel. This could only be a travel if a person is stationary and has control of the ball and then proceeds to take 2 steps. Simply because the pivot foot is lifted and replaced without a dribble, which
happens like crazy in the NBA.
2 steps with out a dribble from a stationary position is travel.
Step back is perfectly legal.
Basically the NBA created the rules and cheated by changing the rules. Because this is mad new. This rule is still a travel. Like yo what’s a travel anymore if you can hold the ball and take 3 steps.
All leagues should adopt nba rules, c'maaan