WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON. NOW SUCK IT NICK.
WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON. NOW SUCK IT NICK.
Huh? Traveling has nothing to do with the number of steps you take. Traveling basically = you can’t change pivot. It’s that that simple. Where the “3 steps” come into play is that if you take 3 alternating steps( one foot after the the other) after TERMINATING your dribble, you will Chang pivots. Also the number steps you can take between dribbles is limitless! How can you go 94 ft in 4 dribbles or less with 2 steps max between every dribble. Don’t make up rules man! Lol!
WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON. NOW SUCK IT NICK.
@@btonemajor2703 You are wrong on that. The rules, as far as this is concerned, are EXACTLY the same. There was a FIBA rule change in 2017 that you seem to have missed!
Why would you ever be able to take a step without dribbling if it's not to gain control. The whole point of basketball is if I wanna move around on the court from a set position I have to dribble. You can't even lift your pivot with the ball in your hand to start dribbling. Why would I all of a sudden be able to take a step without dribbling. It's against the whole point of basketball. Going for a layup is not the same as already being under control
By fans yeah but the NBA doesn't seem to debate the harden step back at all, it's just legal I guess otherwise it would be called at least once and other NBA players use it too. But the up and under seems to have trainers coaches and players confused, according to the video.
@@Yajawbroni I mean, to be fair, there are plenty players who think Harden travels but, like dude said, its so hard to really tell if he is actually traveling because of how he abuses the gather, its an ant and not an elephant so it goes uncalled most of the time. If a ref could go through every play slow motion, they would probably call a travel on it more often than we actually see it called.
@@noconaroubideaux9423 but the abuse of the gather is a huge red flag, but thats interpretation 🙄. Whats not is the blatant palming and cupping of the ball. Its damn egregious.
@@Getloose360 the problem with palming and cupping is that NBA players' hands are so big that whenever they have their hands on the sides of the ball they easily cover part of the top and bottom. That's why carry-calls have to be so blatant in order to get called. It especially gets murky if the player is the type that rotates the ball (counter-clockwise if dribbling with the right) while dribbling the ball up the court, because their hands are so big it always looks looks like a travel but the palm of their hand is on the side of the ball
Hopefully this ends the discussion. For anyone who has ever argued this....PLEASE share this video with them. WARNING....some will still disagree although they have the proof lol
I think the Kemba highlight was a travel because what he did was, up and under, jump, land on 2 one after another and then shoot.. but then again = a good rule of thumb = travels don't happen at leg lifting, they happen at leg landing, you call travel after a landed leg and ball still in arms of the player If you slow down at the Kemba highlight = he landed his foot that was about to go up and lifting the other before shooting the ball
So THAT was the reason for travel = not the leg slide before the jump on up & under, but because he was surprised to Rudy Gobert's well-timed jump and his legs reacted shaky and did 2 small steps he didn't initially intend to do: ua-cam.com/video/xmuTt1hOtQU/v-deo.html EDIT: wrong highlight lol, that was Barnes, not sure about which Kemba highlight was the discussion supposed to be referred to..
well I know the rules much better than the three men in this video and I know that it's a travel. You can only lift your pivot foot and take an extra half step if you were already in a forward motion, you cannot take that extra half step out of a stationary position like they are showing in this video.
@@theeggreat4 True. But it stunts your growth and development. Like he said for "27 years" he thought wrong. He could of been that much better knowing the rules. And the lower level refs don't help. They make you feel like your traveling all the time.
Teddy B Midwest Sports Talk if they were more strict they wouldn’t be calling this a travel because in the rules it’s not a travel. Highschool refs from my experience simply feel more empowered and enclined to show up players that try stuff that NBA players do. I’ve seen many players get fouled for continuation and they call it on ground. Once a ref even told one of my teammates that they’re not in the league to be getting those calls...
Yo players are starting to lift the pivot foot on step thrus (legal) but holding that pivot foot in the air and balancing on one foot to let defenders jump by 😂 I guess this is the same thing as when dirk started doing one footer fades.
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FIBA rulebook; FIBA rulebook :"To pass or shoot for a goal, the player may jump off the pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the court before the ball is released from the hand(s)." And here the non pivot foot is on the floor at the time of release, making this a travel. It is not that hard to read the rules. If NBA rules differ, that is on them.
Where people get confused is with a prohop versus a jump stop. With a pro-hop you establish your pivot as you gather and must land on 2 feet. You no longer have a pivot at that point, any step after that is a travel.
@@julianrivas8581there's no established pivot on a pro-hop, you can choose either foot. That's the exact scenario they explained in the video with the Kemba Walker play. A jumpstop and pro-hop are literally the same thing.
After some research, only FIBA has a rule that says you can pick up your pivot foot for a shot or pass but NEITHER foot can touch the floor. Everywhere else, the rule has no mention on the other foot, or even how long the pivot foot can be in the air. The rest is all subjective with some instances say as long as it is part of a shooting or passing motion.
The whole gather step nonsense only applies to the NBA. I call it nonsense because some dudes try to do it in a pickup game and claim it's legal. I like that they left that out of this video since this is a rule that is already very misunderstood and the explanation they give applies at every level
@ Ok thanks, I didn't know that. I guess my point was that it doesn't (and shouldn't) apply at lower levels and certainly not in pickup games. I still think the concept of a gather step is a misinterpretation of the rule but fortunately it only exists in pro basketball
I feel like you haven't stressed enough the importance of the pivot. At the end of the day, the rule of travel basically boils down to the fact that you can not lift your pivot foot up AND put it down with the ball still in your hand. A lot of people miss the second part of the rule. They see you lift the pivot up and immediately call for a travel, but in fact you can keep the ball within your hand for as long as you want (heck you can grab some popcorns and watch the whole GoT series) and it will still not be a travel as long as your pivot foot never relands. Melo's move in that sense is not a travel
Also wish they tapped into the Jump stop landing and pivoting after a jump stop. People say you have to land on 2, but it depends on when your last dribble was. If you pound into the jump stop you can stagger your landing which just means you can pivot off the first foot, but still take a step. Landing on 2 is better because you can choose the pivot foot, but you can also stagger the landing and it's still legal, as long as you dribble on the same step leading into the gather/jump so as not to include it as your pivot.
No, the issue is that you never used to be able to lift your pivot foot before the "other foot." The pivot foot must leave the ground last or at the same time as the other foot. The continuous layup was always a special exception to this rule. Then the "euro step" crept in, were even if the two steps aren't continuous, e.g. you hesitate or change direction, you can still lift the pivot foot first and jump off the "other foot." And now we gone full retard, and you can not only hesitate and/or change direction, you can actually exercise a pivot, and you can still lift the pivot foot first. One example of how stupid this is was Leonard in the finals. Where he ends up standing on the "other foot," just past halfcourt, like a stork, while trying to find a way to get rid of the ball. The rule about the pivot foot having to leave the ground last makes this stupid spectacle a travel the instant the pivot foot comes off the ground. This is not something we have seen in any other era of the NBA. Well, I can't say that for certain. Let's say this. It's only in the last few years that the NBA actually tries to formally legalize obviously illegal moves, and god knows why they are doing it.
@@mildyproductive9726 If you look at the rules however from EVERY league including highschool these are the rules for a travel. Where did you pull your information from with regard to the pivot foot? The NBA hasn't changed anything, its the fans that have a weird perception in their minds about what the travel rules are and have been. These have been the rules since at least the 50's. You can lift the pivot to shoot or pass, but you can't put it back down. High School coaches have been regurgitating wrong information for too long and it's trickled down.
@@dave.thedev Yeah, from high school. Yeah, there are lots of dumb high school coaches, if by lots you mean all of them in my region and era. Lots of dumb college coaches. And lots of dumb players following these rules in pick up games. I guess it just depends on where you grew up. I remember when questioning this rule was in vogue back in Hakeem's time. He was the earliest player I remember just flagrantly doing it, but... it was awesome. It was like Jordan taking 3 steps. When you have such a satisfying finish, the refs don't blow the whistle. The NBA is entertainment, in the end. I wonder what you think is the "Euro Step." And why does it have a name? I was playing and watching basketball since before this term even was around. First I remember hearing it was in the start of the modern Harden era, to explain why it looks like he is travelling whenever he would tuck the ball and then take two striding steps under the basket. The story goes that in Europe, this how basketball had evolved. And those players brought it to the NBA. And the NBA just basically accepted it as and evolution of the interpretation of the rules. If this was how the game was always played, it wouldn't have been named the Euro Step.
That's a very good explanation, making the concept as clear as possible. For me personally, the difficulty is often in determining the beginning of the move. When exactly the ball is gathered is often hard to see. It might look like the previous step was already the gather-step, because professionals fine tune their timing to be as tight as possible. And many players bring down their off-hand on the ball to indicate the gather. But, of course, if you have control of the ball with one hand (by going underneath or grabbing it), it is a gather already. These are often split-second blips that determine if the move was legal, and that's tough to referee.
For the hoopers who have been struggling understanding what really the rule is... Here’s what I’ve searched in google: Definitions : Step : Lift and set down one's foot or one foot after the other in order to walk somewhere or move to a new position. Traveling : When a player has taken more than 2 steps without the ball being dribbled, a traveling violation is called. A travel can also be called via carrying or an unestablished pivot foot. Pivot Foot : A foot that remains planted on the floor until the player is ready to pass, shoot, or dribble the ball. Step in basketball : A step is when you lift your foot and set it on the ground. Only 2 steps after the dribble is allowed (If you consider the zero step then it will be 3) if stepped more times then you will be called for a travel. The first step after a dribble will be your pivot foot. The second step is the foot that you can move and step around, as long as your pivot foot does not move into different position it is lega After the second step, you are not allowed lift the pivot foot and step it again in a different position because it will be a travel. But, if you lift your pivot foot without setting it on the ground it does not count as a step. Remember stepping means you have to lift your foot and set it on the ground. In this case you are just lifting your foot and not setting it, so this means you haven’t done a step yet. This also means that it is legal to lift your pivot foot and jump with your planted foot to pass and shoot. But keep in mind if the referee still called for a travel this means you might not have done the move correctly, the referee doesn’t know about this rule, or the referee have a bad eyesight. Not all referees are the same and not all moves are done correctly keep that in mind. (Sorry for my bad english.)
Actually he did an extra step with his non pivot leg. When you lift your pivot foot you are changing your position on the court because that step with your non pivot was just a pivot b4 but it became a step when you lifted the pivot leg because your new radius centers around the non pivot leg
@scottya3615 I get that but he didn't pass or shoot he took a step as soon as his pivot lifted from the ground. The rule doesn't say you can also step shoot or pass. He didn't even go up for a shot when his pivot was lifted
@@ep3389an extra step with the non pivot is irrelevant. That foot can take as many steps as it wants. As long as the pivot stays down, any step the other foot takes is the 2nd step, even if it happens multiple times.
This is the most fantastic explanation. THANK YOU for finally laying this argument to rest. The fundamental rule of the pivot foot defines EVERY bit of allowable footwork in the game and so many simply don’t understand the rules. So many think there are rules for jump shots separate from rules from layups and separate from fadeaways. It’s all the same pivot rule, just executed differently.
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In FIBA rules it cleary defines, two steps, at 6:25 you say 1,2.. pivot and as you raise the pivot foot and by having the other foot on the ground.. that is the Extra/Third step.. "Travelling is the illegal movement of one foot or both feet beyond the LIMITS outlined...", you are correct that Jordan did something similar, but more often than none jump with boot feet at the same time.. and if its really fast its hard to catch.. but an intire extra step is really hard of the defender..
That’s so wrong. While the pivot foot is established and on the ground the other foot is step 2 no matter how many times that foot takes a step. There could be 5 step 2’s. There is no 3rd illegal step unless the pivot foot is both raised and returned to the ground before the ball is released.
Thanks for the video Coach! I always try to emphasize the pivot foot rather than some sort of one-two count when it comes to travelling (outside the NBA at least). As you guys mentioned, lots of guys freak out about the up and under they don't realize how similar the footwork is to basic layups or something flashier such as Dirk's one-legged fall away jumper. One question I have is about the gather timing (ball at rest in either 1 or 2 hands, i.e., hand under ball). I was under the impression that you cannot pivot even if you jumpstopped (or stepbacked) and landed on both feet at the same time if you gathered while still on the floor because you established a pivot foot before you jumped (which I think is the only legal way to lift and plant a pivot foot).
I was always under the impression that the second step that taken after gathering the ball becomes the pivot foot not the first step. This is why your allowed 2 steps, 0 step (on the gather) 1 step 2 step pass shoot layup. If you stop on the 2nd step then take another step it IS a 3rd step, which is a travel.
Okay, I appreciate this video for addressing the up and under move correctly. I still would like to see someone address the differences in the traveling rule between the NBA and and lower levels, particularly the gather step (AKA zero step). In situations where a player picks the ball up when one foot is already on the ground there seems to be a difference in the rules between NCAA and NBA (and I believe high school rules are more aligned with NCAA). The NCAA rule says: "A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:... When one foot is on the playing court: ...That foot shall be the pivot foot" The NBA rule says: "A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball...The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball." (the key word here is "after") So in a situation where a player picks up the ball while his left foot is on the ground, the NCAA rule would deem the left foot the pivot foot. So you could put the right foot down, pick the left foot up, and shoot/pass. But with the left foot being your pivot foot, you could not put the right foot down, pick the left foot up, and put the left foot down again. In the NBA if you pick the ball up with the left foot already on the ground, the first step hasn't occurred yet because no foot has come down "after gaining control of the ball." This is commonly called the zero step or gather step. The first step would be when you put the right foot down, and the second step would occur after you picked the left foot up and put it down again. This is why the Harden step back and the Giannis euro step is legal in the NBA but wouldn't be legal in high school or college. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Zero step or gather step are not always there, it is a special scenario. When you receive the ball on air by 1 hand, and landed on right foot then left, and step again then right, the first right foot was the gather step. It is different when you catch the ball on air with 2 hands and come down on right foot first (now this becomes the pivot), then left foot, another step would be travel. Driving on lane, last dribble ball on right foot (dribble simultaneous step on right foot), step left foot while ball still on right hand (this is the gather step), then step right foot again simultaneous holding the ball 2 hands, lift the left foot (right foot becomes the pivot), go for layup (LEGAL MOVE). It is different when you do ball on right foot, then pick up the ball with 2 hands, once you lift your left foot, your right becomes your pivot foot, then jump on your left foot, LEGAL but no GATHER STEP done. It is all about ending the dribble, you can stutter step (can be called gather steps) while the ball his floating under your one hand, still LEGAL.
"Please correct me if I'm wrong." I think you're wrong. You are shorting a step all around. IMO, if the left foot is already touching the ground at the time your last dribble hits the floor, that foot doesn't count, at any level. You can take right and left, two more steps. This is how I was taught in high school: perform your last dribble while your left foot is on the floor, then take a right and then left for a layup. But in NBA, you can dribble before that left foot even hits the floor. And that left still doesn't count because you have not gathered, yet. So in the NBA you can dribble while on your fight foot, BEFORE the left foot hits the floor, gather, and then still take a right and then another left. IOW, in high school and college, it seems to matter when the ball actually bounces off the floor. It's on the player to gather after that, during the next two steps, and to get off the shot or pass. But in NBA, the time where the ball last touches the floor is almost irrelevant. It mostly matters where the player gathers (I say mostly, because the gather rule states it covers only one step, so technically you can't take 2-3 baby steps after the ball last hit the floor but before gathering, then take 2 more). Since many players can palm the ball, the NBA rule is pretty hard to enforce properly/consistently. The spot where the ball last hits the floor is must easier to determine by an outside observer compared to the time when the player picks up the dribble. So essentially, this rule gives the NBA players 3 steps after the last dribble. This is how I interpret the rules actually playing my entire life and watching college and NBA games. In reality, sometimes it is close, and a high school or college player will get away with 3 steps. In the NBA, often is the case where someone gets away with 4 or even 5 steps after the last dribble. IMO, Canter gets away with a blatant travel, taking 4 steps after a single dribble, on the last shot in a playoff game. I've seen Lebron take 5, in the post, turning around 180 degrees and then stepping, all after his last dribble.
@@mildyproductive9726 Thanks for responding. I agree that the rule is very difficult to enforce in real-time and that players often get away with an extra step when it is a close call. It is interesting that you frame the rule in relation to when the last dribble hits the floor. I don't see a place in either rule book (NCAA or NBA) that refers to when the last dribble hits the floor. The NCAA traveling rule refers to when a player "ends a dribble" (Section 5 art. 4) and the NBA rule refers to the "completion of a dribble" (NBA rule book Section XIII - b.) The NCAA defines an end of a dribble as touching the ball with both hands or carrying/palming the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands (Section 13, Art. 4). This is significantly different from when the last dribble hits the floor. I don't see a formal definition in the NBA rule book for "completion of a dribble" so I'm going to tentatively assume it is the same as the NCAA's definition. Now you may argue that some travels are actually called based on when the last dribble hits the floor and you could have a point, but I'm limiting the scope of my argument here to the literal NCAA/NBA rule. I also don't see any restriction on the number of steps you can take between when your last dribble hits the floor and when you end/complete your dribble in either rule book. As for your first example, I see nothing wrong under the NCAA rule if you "perform your last dribble while your left foot is on the floor, then take a right and then left for a layup" provided you don't end your dribble until your right foot is on the ground. NCAA rulebook: www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR20.pdf NBA rulebook official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/
@@dot333333 The best way I can interpret the NBA rule is you can take 3 steps after the last dribble. Unless the player manages to get two hands on the ball before taking the first step (which is not impossible but would be very difficult), he can take 3 steps. And because of the other new rules (euro step and up and under full step) this isn't strictly limited to shots/layups, like the 2 steps in high school are. But any time a player takes 4 steps after the last dribble in the NBA, that should definitely be a travel (not that it will always be called). For this ref to claim all of basketball should follow NBA rules is pretty bold. The one asshole who adopts NBA rules will think he is awesome and will take every other shot for his team. And if everyone does it, we will just stop pretending there is defense anymore.
@@dot333333 Hi. You have significantly edited this post since I initially responded. "Completion of dribble." If you consider this the same thing as picking up or ending a dribble, then there would be no need for the "gather rule" of the NBA. And you could take 3, 4, 5, 12 steps after your last dribble in high school. (Itty bitty steps taken while still "dribbling" since you haven't gathered, yet). I know what you might be tempted to say. Yes, you can take 15 baby steps after one dribble, and it's not a travel, yet. But in high school, after you gather in this scenario, you cannot take two more steps. You will be whistled for this 9 times out of 10. W/e foot is touching the ground when you gather will be your pivot foot and you cannot lift it unless jumping off it or both feet. This is why you learn proper footwork and timing of your last dribble. The "completion of a dribble" isn't well defined, anywhere, though. I call it when the the ball bounces on the floor. You could argue it's when the ball returns to and touches your hand, which might be the most technically correct. But in any case this happens within a few milliseconds of each other in the average non-Globetrotter dribble. 99% of dribbling is having your hand on the top/side of the ball and following its arc, and 1% is the dribble. At any point during that 99%, one can physically gather the ball. If you look at cutting/driving when starting a dribble, you can see some parallels. You can't lift your pivot foot until what? Until you the ball leaves your hand (and typically it is hitting the floor about 1mS after). It's not when you stop palming the ball and have it moving towards the floor. The dribble doesn't start the moment you "end your control/gather" of the ball. It starts when the ball leaves your hand. (And it's back to your hand in the blink of an eye. During most dribbling, your fingers might get only a few inches of separation from the ball by the time it hits the floor and bounces back.) I assure you that what I described is how basketball is played in most high schools and playgrounds across america. The writers/readers of the rules might not be able to describe it accurately, but it is indeed the way the game is played and ref'ed. The last dribble matters independently from where you "pick up" or "gather" where you want to take two MORE steps, aka layup.
This is so cathartic to listen to and watch. I get into constant arguments in the court with people who do NOT understand how the rules work, what is and isn’t a travel and how footwork determines EVERYTHING. THANK YOU
This video couldn’t have been more eye-opening. Clarified the rule, ran a couple of different examples explaining what *is* and *is not* a travel. And also clarified the Kemba exception and why his move was legal. I love the content!
Thanks for the vid! The ruling makes sense since the pivot foot is always your first step, therefore, you are allowed to take another step with your other foot. HOWEVER, I was hoping you guys would have clarified what constitutes a "gather" and "gather step" and "zero step", because that's the traveling issue that's frustrating the hell out of me nowadays. The NBA Board of Governors recently released a new memo clarifying what constitutes a "gather". Previously, players and their trainers interpreted a "gather" as only when a player touches the ball with two hands, which allowed James Harden to bend the rules into his "extra zero step" stepback and sidestep jumpers. But the new memo has expanded the "gather" to include simply having enough control of the ball with either one or two hands to pass, shoot, or hold (also carrying). I'm hoping that you gentlemen, in a future video, can go into a bit of detail about these new rules and the "zero step", and on how difficult it may be to officiate what constitutes a "gather" by these new rules.
pivot foot is established after discontinued dribble, while hes stepping back ball is still in one hand, thus having possibility of more dribbling to occur.. hopefully they go over this next vid, but they had one with ronnie nunn already
@@bobbybasak926 some of them are travels, you can't just say Harden's stepback move isn't a travel. Some of them are completely off the charts travels.
This guy Devin Williams is *exactly* me and what I went through. It wasn't until I was in my 30s that I figured out how traveling works. When you really understand it then it's simple. There are no special rules for layups or being in motion, it's simply that if you lift your pivot you have to shoot or pass before the pivot returns to the floor. There are no special cases about jumping off two feet or anything like that. The tricky part is establishing that pivot, because the "gather" can be so exaggerated, but once the pivot is obvious then the rest is simple.
I from Australia and played from 13 to 40 years old, when I was about 30 in 1992 I got my referees first level badge called a " C grade ". My first coaching lesson I asked the ref teaching the class about the travel call as it was the most questioned call in the game. I started talking about steps, because everyone said you had 2 steps and if you took 3 it was travelling. He said don't think about it in steps think in counts, your pivot foot is a 1 count if you then step (move) the other foot is a 2 count, if you lift your pivot foot and replace without passing or shooting that's a 3 count and it's a travel. The guys in this video where using the "count" lesson ( I think without knowing it ) which as a player/referee made this call much easier for me, in fact a count switch would automatically go off in my head as I were referring once I got used to it. When challenged by younger guys who have only watched NBA/College ball and never picked up a whistle they refer me to the NBA's definition which talks only about the "gather step" and totally confuses the issue because it never explains when the first "step" starts so guys just dismiss this first step ( or count ) as never existing when it DOES. I have witnessed Lebron taking a 5 count dunk in the end of a frenzied finals game with no travel call, I just laughed as I know the pressure on waving scores like this off and the ridicule you'll get from fans, family and friends as a ref....it's hard to referee basketball and get it all right but when you feel pressured you can get it wrong. This was the best video I've seen by Americans on the travel call but believe if they use the "count" method they will get through to more ballers.
@Coach nick, I watched the Kemba Move against Czech Republic, it's NOT a TRAVEL at all since he came down both feet simultaneous, so he can choose what foot to be his pivot.
Something I hoped they would get into was the “gather” part of the rule that makes Hardens step back apparently legal. I never understood what constitutes a gather and when it begins and ends
I hope they make a distinction between establishing pivot while in motion versus while stationary. It makes a big difference because I believe you're allowed an extra step because of your momentum.
This is the key I remember being taught. The concept of momentum. If I lift my pivot and pause then pass or shoot I'm going to definitely be called for travel so then the whole thing because muddled since you are now trying to gauge a person's momentum and asking was his speed fast enough to not call a travel since he lifted his pivot.
I got a dude on insta trying to tell me that a player may not pivot following a jumpstop where the player controls the ball, collects the ball, and lands on two feet simultaneously. I think he’s misinterpreting the rule.
Have you ever seen him on Game 7 of Playoffs against the Sixers that he'd almost made a travel before he'd done his winning clutch shot? I don't know if that's a travel but that's enough to put Naruto to shame on that one. 🤣
The big issue is what constitutes travels has been pretty fluid over the past 20 years, and even more so going back further than that. And well the current crop of ballplayers are taught by their parents who are working mainly from a 90s mentality of ball rules so they still make those calls. The only time I've ever been kicked out of a hs game was arguing up and unders weren't travels. Granted this ref was super old school and I liked hopping my step back (so I could choose my pivot) and to him if I wasn't shooting or passing immediately that was a travel.
How are people really trying to argue that the people who made the rule didn’t understand their own rule? Doesn’t make sense. It was called that way in the past because that was the intent of the rule.
Hi Coach, i do this move all the time, and sometimes somebody yells me “travel!” and im like🤦🏻♂️, but now this vid it’s gonna be the perfect explanation 👏🏻 Thanks Coach Nick and Devin 🙌🏻 from Chile 🇨🇱
As a kid,I was taught incorrectly that picking up the pivot foot at all is travel. The social media trolls also say that NBA rules don’t apply to college or HS, but this rule applys to all. Saving this video to show when someone calls me in a pickup game next time.
Iv always been told if you put the ball on the ground you get an extra step like a lay up but if you don’t put the ball on the ground during your move you cannot lift your pivot establish another foot as a pivot
Coach. Two questions: 1) what about open foot starts. The reason this is a travel is the pivot lifts prior to dribble? 2) how many steps are you allowed prior to pickup? Is the pivot only established after pickup? Great vid!!
It doesn’t matter, it’s the same thing. If pick up your pivot then dribble and drive left, the pivot will return to the ground resulting in a travel! It’s the same rule!
"A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor." - NBA rule book This is for the up and under
WAIT A MINUTE!!! like Devin said "Read the rule book" And Jeff Logan is right!! lifting your pivot IS NOT traveling!! you may lift your pivot and shoot ( jump in the air off one leg and shoot) you may lift your pivot and pass ( jump in the air and pass) you cannot lift your pivot and dribble. (jab step with your right leg and step with your left then dribble) What make it confusing is when ref's say the player lifted his pivot so he traveled. Why is Devin saying you must jump off two feet, if that were true you could not do a one leg layup.
I LOVE hearing the Player say... "I never did go to the ACTUAL RULES BOOK to read the rules." AND THERE IT IS... 99% of the argument is NOBODY EVER READS THE RULES... except for the Referees . And the Referees are FORCED to read and reread the Rules Books over and over because they are TESTED on the rules every year. And the Refs MUST score relatively high just to stay employed... and higher still to work the Post Season. And that's fair... their job is to KNOW the RULES. Trust me... they KNOW them well. I knew them fairly good when I Played and Coached. But I learned more and more every year that I was a Ref. Literally every year I learned something about the game I did not actually understand the year before. I thought I knew as a Player and Coach... as I Ref I found out how much more there was to know all the time. Referees know rules that do not even come up in 99% of all games. Referee's can look at your Uniform and tell you WHY it is Illegal at a glance (if it is). A Referee can tell if the Coach has read the Rules Book, or NOT, within the 1st 2 minutes of the game just by the way his team Inbounds the Ball. There are so many little ADVANTAGES written in the Rules Book to help your team win waiting there for a Coach. And those only exist because so many Coaches DO NOT read the Rules Book from cover to cover. Most Coaches and Players if the read the Books at all use it like a Dictionary to find the 1 thing they wanted to check on. That Rules Book is a TREASURE MAP of saving your Defenders from Fouls, gaining extra time against the Officials Count(s), Drawing Fouls, avoiding Dumb Technical Fouls, and so many more small details that add up. I would estimate there are at least 5 to 12 points per game worth of knowledge hidden in plain sight in the Rules Book. How many more games would you have won if you had gained 5 or 6 more points?
metalsadman 🤔🤔definitely true I remember seeing a video by Devin saying that a person that that knows the rules will play better because they won’t limit themselves with things we mistake as travel
Well depends. In FIBA there are two instances: if you gather and land on both feet for your first step, you are allowed to pivot. But if take one step and then land on two, you can't pivot
icecream.me/cafaf50656ca63de48edd94d0c2e6b18 source: official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/ By the way, I really had little idea about the rules (only a rough intuitive idea), but if someone really wants to know just google it. Takes like 5 minutes.
@@mdaudi4582 no that's not right. These guys are just discussing the case of the up and under, not the second case I was talking about (and of which I am not sure if the NBA has it the same way)
So, from this standpoint, James Harden's step back jumper is a travel since he establishes his left foot as his legal pivot foot, then steps or hop back and lift said pivot foot, plants his right foot effectively changing his pivot foot from left foot to right foot, then plants his left foot again before jumping for the shot. I think from that perspective, it's a travel since he was able to change his pivot foot before taking the shot.
Nah, because they say his first step is a gather step, so he either keeps one hand off the ball completely or keeps the hand that is on the ball above/on the side of the ball for the duration of that step. So his pivot foot is established on what looks like is his second step, but is technically speaking his first. Sometimes he does travel obviously but I think the majority of the time he abuses that weird gather step rule to perfection. It’s pushing the limits of legality, but I think it’s legal.
@@kamrinmurphy6052 I've been wondering ever since Harden was able to manipulate the system to his advantage, when was this "gather step" ever established? 'cause when I was doing that very same move growing up in the 80's and 90's, refs would always call me for a travel, even other players on pickup games would call it a travel. But if I do the same move today, it's OK since James Harden and most NBA guys now are doing it.
Matthew del Rosario Yeah, I’m not sure when it started honestly, I’m 18 and I only got into basketball about 3 years ago. I just know that there’s a old school step back, where you do a pound dribble simultaneous with your first step, and then take your two steps, which is indisputably legal, and then there’s the new school step back, where you don’t dribble during your first step, you just kinda suspend the ball in the air and grab it after your first step hits the ground. I do both and rarely get called out in pick up games, but a lot of refs at the high school and rec league level will still call the new school one a travel like every time lol.
@@kamrinmurphy6052 I think, that's what makes Harden's move confusing. It's that instant when he picks up his dribble then seemingly takes 3 steps before making the shot. Old school would only allow a player 2 steps to either take a shot or make a pass after stopping his dribble or else it's a travel. there's no such thing as a "gather step" back then, and if there were, no one is actually aware of it.
Id say because many of us grew up following the literal rule, , and no bullshit gather step/s. We'd always wonder why the nba, even in the 80s the nba let players take so many steps
@@LaMar34_34 because I already knew the rule being discussed on vid, and thought it was common knowledge (lol, because I made comment before watching really)
Thankyou. Everytime I do an up and under or a post fade in practice or rec, all the little guards freaking out screaming travel. And I try to explain that its just like a layup. But thankyou for explaining it clearly
What’s the point of establishing a pivot foot or even calling it a pivot foot? If you lift that pivot foot it’s a travel. That’s the entire point of having a pivot foot. Doing a continuous movement is not a travel. Up & under is a travel if you come off that pivot foot. Doing a fadeaway off jumper after establishing a pivot foot you must come off 2 feet. The entire reason why a pivot foot is established is to anchor you to the floor to force you to complete a movement. Pass or shoot. Once that pivot foot is established you cannot lift it if your other foot is on the ground. If you lift that pivot foot and take a step that’s another step = traveling All these refs need to learn how to officiate like in the 1980s & 1990s The game is trash because of these dogsh*t referees making horrible calls. You’re asking these idiots who think 3 steps isn’t traveling LMFAO 😅 Adam Silver + refs + league officials allow cheating to boost viewership, ratings, & money. If you lift that pivot foot and a foot is still on the ground it’s a travel. Period.
It’s not just basketball fans. It’s also NBA players. There is a reason why we don’t see it in the NBA. It’s a common thing in the WNBA. But it’s an NBA sin. That’s why Kevin Garnett was arguing the move with Candace Parker a while back. There was just a unwritten rule that says you must keep that pivot foot down when you jump. It’s just always going to be that way 🤷♂️
Actually people that do use every aspect of the rules, are the ones in the unstoppable departmen. Kobe did this a lot. Even the Dream did this constantly on the post. The gasofts. Dwade.....
GutAnd Family I have never seen any of those players do this exact move and i have watched days worth of film and highlights on them. This is a move you will only see used in the WNBA. Coach nick couldn’t even find a clip of an NBA player doing it in a game, that’s how mutually sinful it is by the players. We would never know if this is really a travel in the NBA because we rarely see it. Regardless wether it is a travel or it isn’t, players won’t use the move just out of principle and precedents.
@@Thechocolate130 theres a famous highlight of olajuwon doing that step through back in the 90s. in virtually every olajuwon highlight video i see it. matter of fact i see this move with most players famous for their footwork/postgame, like kobe which the previous guy mentioned
@@Thechocolate130 ua-cam.com/video/22O2lApCBBs/v-deo.html 0.57 ua-cam.com/video/2JjjXPT0IPQ/v-deo.html kobe doing it at 3;52 it looks funny but its not a travel nor is it a sin
Ace Lebron signs with the Heat. NBA Fans: LEBRON’s LEGACY IS OVER. WHERES THE COMPETITION. Boogie signs with the warriors. NBA Fans: THE NBA IS OVER. BASKETBALL IS RUINED. James Harden wins MVP once. NBA Fans: DRIBBLING IS TAINTED. OH MY GAWD EVERYONE TRAVELS AND FLOPS NOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO INTEGRITY? Yeah seems normal.
I've been doing this my whole life... and I'm not even a good basketball player. We were taught this as soon as we touched our first ball... and I keep teaching it to my kids. Surprised that americans realize now that it's not a travel.
I swear if I tried to explain this on the court in pickup ain't nobody tryin to hear that!!!...I'm about to start abusing fools at my next run lmao...I'm with Dev all my life I was told jump off two once you pick up the pivot...Great Video!!!
09:54 as he picks his pivot foot up, what he does is not shooting, so the ball did NOT leave his hand, he does steps on his left foot, that is why it is confusing.
9:12 but actually the kemba move wouldn't be travel under the current rule. Coz the pivot now is called the gather step (or step zero), so his right foot will actually become the pivot and therefore making the move leagl (since he won't land his right before he takes a shot.)
I would have love to hear the ref's perspective on the step through without a shot just as he had 5:50 (assuming the pivot foot does not come back down). You may ask why someone would do that? Well, that step through "pirouette" would allow for a lot of potential fakes and escapes from traps. If that is legal then, the rules need to be rewritten to clarify.
Basketball fans: Travel!
Coach Nick: *_Traveln't_*
nice
The ref of my game: Travel!
WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON.
NOW SUCK IT NICK.
Good one
it is travel!!!
People who watch this vid the new wave of insta refs
Facts
WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON.
NOW SUCK IT NICK.
Huh? Traveling has nothing to do with the number of steps you take. Traveling basically = you can’t change pivot. It’s that that simple. Where the “3 steps” come into play is that if you take 3 alternating steps( one foot after the the other) after TERMINATING your dribble, you will Chang pivots. Also the number steps you can take between dribbles is limitless! How can you go 94 ft in 4 dribbles or less with 2 steps max between every dribble. Don’t make up rules man! Lol!
@@mtownsfinest1 Finally somebody who understand the importance of the pivot foot in the travelling rule! Thanks dude, thanks!
@@btonemajor2703 You are wrong, please check the last amendment of FIBA rules, now it's 3 steps. They included step "0"
Thanks coach! Tired of trying to argue with people that spam “tRaVeL!”
@Seito Stockman nah he just knows the rules.
Seito Stockman mate you are the one who suck who don’t know the rules lmfao
Tyler I have to do this when I play pickup
I think you just travel alot
WHY FANS ALWAYS SCREW IT?????????' IT WAS YOU SCREWING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE RULEBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I MENTIONED IT"COACH" BUT YOU ARE A STUBBORN MAN. THE RECENT MODIFICATIONS TO THE RULEBOOK GIVE ME AT LAST THE REASON.
NOW SUCK IT NICK.
This is the best travel rule explanation I‘ve seen. So many players/coaches/trainers and even refs don’t know this
Which is why it will never be universally called/not called.
Agree, best travel rule explanation ever!
Having the three guys was crucial, and repeated examples.
@@btonemajor2703 You are wrong on that. The rules, as far as this is concerned, are EXACTLY the same. There was a FIBA rule change in 2017 that you seem to have missed!
Why would you ever be able to take a step without dribbling if it's not to gain control. The whole point of basketball is if I wanna move around on the court from a set position I have to dribble. You can't even lift your pivot with the ball in your hand to start dribbling. Why would I all of a sudden be able to take a step without dribbling. It's against the whole point of basketball. Going for a layup is not the same as already being under control
@@ep3389you obviously don’t get it, you can always lift a pivot foot once established to pass or shoot
The up and under is hardly debated as much as the James harden.
By fans yeah but the NBA doesn't seem to debate the harden step back at all, it's just legal I guess otherwise it would be called at least once and other NBA players use it too. But the up and under seems to have trainers coaches and players confused, according to the video.
@@Yajawbroni I mean, to be fair, there are plenty players who think Harden travels but, like dude said, its so hard to really tell if he is actually traveling because of how he abuses the gather, its an ant and not an elephant so it goes uncalled most of the time. If a ref could go through every play slow motion, they would probably call a travel on it more often than we actually see it called.
@@noconaroubideaux9423 but the abuse of the gather is a huge red flag, but thats interpretation 🙄.
Whats not is the blatant palming and cupping of the ball. Its damn egregious.
@@Getloose360 the problem with palming and cupping is that NBA players' hands are so big that whenever they have their hands on the sides of the ball they easily cover part of the top and bottom. That's why carry-calls have to be so blatant in order to get called. It especially gets murky if the player is the type that rotates the ball (counter-clockwise if dribbling with the right) while dribbling the ball up the court, because their hands are so big it always looks looks like a travel but the palm of their hand is on the side of the ball
@@noconaroubideaux9423 tbh it was always a travel to me until I watched coaches video on it and the ref said it's legal 🤷♂️
Hopefully this ends the discussion. For anyone who has ever argued this....PLEASE share this video with them. WARNING....some will still disagree although they have the proof lol
Yup it's a shame oldhead refs won't even care if you tell them these facts.
I think the Kemba highlight was a travel because what he did was, up and under, jump, land on 2 one after another and then shoot.. but then again = a good rule of thumb = travels don't happen at leg lifting, they happen at leg landing, you call travel after a landed leg and ball still in arms of the player
If you slow down at the Kemba highlight = he landed his foot that was about to go up and lifting the other before shooting the ball
So THAT was the reason for travel = not the leg slide before the jump on up & under, but because he was surprised to Rudy Gobert's well-timed jump and his legs reacted shaky and did 2 small steps he didn't initially intend to do: ua-cam.com/video/xmuTt1hOtQU/v-deo.html
EDIT: wrong highlight lol, that was Barnes, not sure about which Kemba highlight was the discussion supposed to be referred to..
@QUEENDOM what do you mean? They said that as long as you establish the pivot foot, you can raise it in a passing or shooting motion
well I know the rules much better than the three men in this video and I know that it's a travel. You can only lift your pivot foot and take an extra half step if you were already in a forward motion, you cannot take that extra half step out of a stationary position like they are showing in this video.
@@mdaudi4582 icecream.me/90262c8827204928ada0e5605311ba9b
source: official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/
This needs to be sent to all highschool Referees. They be robbing players with incorrect travel calls!
I want to say high school rules are more strict
@@theeggreat4 True. But it stunts your growth and development. Like he said for "27 years" he thought wrong. He could of been that much better knowing the rules. And the lower level refs don't help. They make you feel like your traveling all the time.
The high school rules are different methinks
Teddy B Midwest Sports Talk if they were more strict they wouldn’t be calling this a travel because in the rules it’s not a travel. Highschool refs from my experience simply feel more empowered and enclined to show up players that try stuff that NBA players do. I’ve seen many players get fouled for continuation and they call it on ground. Once a ref even told one of my teammates that they’re not in the league to be getting those calls...
High school refs dont call it a travel on layups, most just dont realize that the up and under thing is the same concept as the layup
See ya'll in 10 years when UA-cam recommend everybody this video 😂👌
U aren’t wrong
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Dang, I’m 6 years early
5 years lol
Yo players are starting to lift the pivot foot on step thrus (legal) but holding that pivot foot in the air and balancing on one foot to let defenders jump by 😂 I guess this is the same thing as when dirk started doing one footer fades.
FIBA rulebook;
FIBA rulebook :"To pass or shoot for a goal, the player may jump off the pivot foot, but neither foot may be returned to the court before the ball is released from the hand(s)."
And here the non pivot foot is on the floor at the time of release, making this a travel. It is not that hard to read the rules.
If NBA rules differ, that is on them.
The hop/jump stop is so powerful. Delaying establishing your pivot gives you more options.
Where people get confused is with a prohop versus a jump stop. With a pro-hop you establish your pivot as you gather and must land on 2 feet. You no longer have a pivot at that point, any step after that is a travel.
@@julianrivas8581you can choose your pivot after that. Try to prove it by rulebook, but not someone who taught you.
@@julianrivas8581there's no established pivot on a pro-hop, you can choose either foot. That's the exact scenario they explained in the video with the Kemba Walker play.
A jumpstop and pro-hop are literally the same thing.
so many people are about to get mad in pickup ball
b1bbs g0t h4nds I’m use this video
Facts. I'm keeping this video on deck for the next argument.
It's a TRAVEL! U LIFT UR PIVOT!
@@javee-th5no hahahahaha
After some research, only FIBA has a rule that says you can pick up your pivot foot for a shot or pass but NEITHER foot can touch the floor. Everywhere else, the rule has no mention on the other foot, or even how long the pivot foot can be in the air. The rest is all subjective with some instances say as long as it is part of a shooting or passing motion.
Finally!! I'm very glad that you dicided to make this video coach Nick. Keep going!!
The video every bball fan needs to see! Thanks guy
Really wish they talked about the "gather step" & the Harden stepback. Those are the travels that get argued the most
Itcdepends but the logic of double step back are not travel, the logic is when you pick up the ball
The whole gather step nonsense only applies to the NBA. I call it nonsense because some dudes try to do it in a pickup game and claim it's legal. I like that they left that out of this video since this is a rule that is already very misunderstood and the explanation they give applies at every level
@@_JellyDonut_ the gather step is legal in FIBA as well, not just NBA
@ Ok thanks, I didn't know that. I guess my point was that it doesn't (and shouldn't) apply at lower levels and certainly not in pickup games. I still think the concept of a gather step is a misinterpretation of the rule but fortunately it only exists in pro basketball
remember when KG was arguing about that in his show? He was sooo wrong and soooo confident lol
Link please 😂
@@mikedfelix here you go sir ua-cam.com/video/k67g7Uv3tAY/v-deo.html
@Seito Stockman stop trolling
KG*
@@cirvis240 right
I feel like you haven't stressed enough the importance of the pivot. At the end of the day, the rule of travel basically boils down to the fact that you can not lift your pivot foot up AND put it down with the ball still in your hand.
A lot of people miss the second part of the rule. They see you lift the pivot up and immediately call for a travel, but in fact you can keep the ball within your hand for as long as you want (heck you can grab some popcorns and watch the whole GoT series) and it will still not be a travel as long as your pivot foot never relands.
Melo's move in that sense is not a travel
Exactly, the second part is not taken into account whenever the rule comes up. It's annoying.
Also wish they tapped into the Jump stop landing and pivoting after a jump stop. People say you have to land on 2, but it depends on when your last dribble was. If you pound into the jump stop you can stagger your landing which just means you can pivot off the first foot, but still take a step. Landing on 2 is better because you can choose the pivot foot, but you can also stagger the landing and it's still legal, as long as you dribble on the same step leading into the gather/jump so as not to include it as your pivot.
No, the issue is that you never used to be able to lift your pivot foot before the "other foot." The pivot foot must leave the ground last or at the same time as the other foot. The continuous layup was always a special exception to this rule. Then the "euro step" crept in, were even if the two steps aren't continuous, e.g. you hesitate or change direction, you can still lift the pivot foot first and jump off the "other foot." And now we gone full retard, and you can not only hesitate and/or change direction, you can actually exercise a pivot, and you can still lift the pivot foot first.
One example of how stupid this is was Leonard in the finals. Where he ends up standing on the "other foot," just past halfcourt, like a stork, while trying to find a way to get rid of the ball. The rule about the pivot foot having to leave the ground last makes this stupid spectacle a travel the instant the pivot foot comes off the ground. This is not something we have seen in any other era of the NBA. Well, I can't say that for certain. Let's say this. It's only in the last few years that the NBA actually tries to formally legalize obviously illegal moves, and god knows why they are doing it.
@@mildyproductive9726 If you look at the rules however from EVERY league including highschool these are the rules for a travel. Where did you pull your information from with regard to the pivot foot? The NBA hasn't changed anything, its the fans that have a weird perception in their minds about what the travel rules are and have been. These have been the rules since at least the 50's. You can lift the pivot to shoot or pass, but you can't put it back down. High School coaches have been regurgitating wrong information for too long and it's trickled down.
@@dave.thedev Yeah, from high school. Yeah, there are lots of dumb high school coaches, if by lots you mean all of them in my region and era. Lots of dumb college coaches. And lots of dumb players following these rules in pick up games.
I guess it just depends on where you grew up.
I remember when questioning this rule was in vogue back in Hakeem's time. He was the earliest player I remember just flagrantly doing it, but... it was awesome. It was like Jordan taking 3 steps. When you have such a satisfying finish, the refs don't blow the whistle. The NBA is entertainment, in the end.
I wonder what you think is the "Euro Step." And why does it have a name? I was playing and watching basketball since before this term even was around. First I remember hearing it was in the start of the modern Harden era, to explain why it looks like he is travelling whenever he would tuck the ball and then take two striding steps under the basket. The story goes that in Europe, this how basketball had evolved. And those players brought it to the NBA. And the NBA just basically accepted it as and evolution of the interpretation of the rules. If this was how the game was always played, it wouldn't have been named the Euro Step.
That's a very good explanation, making the concept as clear as possible. For me personally, the difficulty is often in determining the beginning of the move.
When exactly the ball is gathered is often hard to see. It might look like the previous step was already the gather-step, because professionals fine tune their timing to be as tight as possible. And many players bring down their off-hand on the ball to indicate the gather. But, of course, if you have control of the ball with one hand (by going underneath or grabbing it), it is a gather already. These are often split-second blips that determine if the move was legal, and that's tough to referee.
For the hoopers who have been struggling understanding what really the rule is...
Here’s what I’ve searched in google:
Definitions :
Step :
Lift and set down one's foot or one foot after the other in order to walk somewhere or move to a new position.
Traveling :
When a player has taken more than 2 steps without the ball being dribbled, a traveling violation is called. A travel can also be called via carrying or an unestablished pivot foot.
Pivot Foot :
A foot that remains planted on the floor until the player is ready to pass, shoot, or dribble the ball.
Step in basketball :
A step is when you lift your foot and set it on the ground. Only 2 steps after the dribble is allowed (If you consider the zero step then it will be 3) if stepped more times then you will be called for a travel.
The first step after a dribble will be your pivot foot.
The second step is the foot that you can move and step around, as long as your pivot foot does not move into different position it is lega
After the second step, you are not allowed lift the pivot foot and step it again in a different position because it will be a travel.
But, if you lift your pivot foot without setting it on the ground it does not count as a step.
Remember stepping means you have to lift your foot and set it on the ground.
In this case you are just lifting your foot and not setting it, so this means you haven’t done a step yet.
This also means that it is legal to lift your pivot foot and jump with your planted foot to pass and shoot.
But keep in mind if the referee still called for a travel this means you might not have done the move correctly, the referee doesn’t know about this rule, or the referee have a bad eyesight. Not all referees are the same and not all moves are done correctly keep that in mind.
(Sorry for my bad english.)
Actually he did an extra step with his non pivot leg. When you lift your pivot foot you are changing your position on the court because that step with your non pivot was just a pivot b4 but it became a step when you lifted the pivot leg because your new radius centers around the non pivot leg
@@ep3389 you can lift your pivot foot as long as you shoot or pass before putting it back down
@scottya3615 I get that but he didn't pass or shoot he took a step as soon as his pivot lifted from the ground. The rule doesn't say you can also step shoot or pass. He didn't even go up for a shot when his pivot was lifted
@@ep3389an extra step with the non pivot is irrelevant. That foot can take as many steps as it wants. As long as the pivot stays down, any step the other foot takes is the 2nd step, even if it happens multiple times.
This is the most fantastic explanation. THANK YOU for finally laying this argument to rest. The fundamental rule of the pivot foot defines EVERY bit of allowable footwork in the game and so many simply don’t understand the rules. So many think there are rules for jump shots separate from rules from layups and separate from fadeaways. It’s all the same pivot rule, just executed differently.
Can these guys break down James Harden travel step back
Move?
Some are travels some are dont, if you hop like what harden does, then thats a gather step.
They break this down in another video and it’s not a travel.
Bobby Basak I want to hear these two guys’ perspectives on Harden’s travel step back
Pheng Moua the video has a NBA veteran ref saying it’s legal step back.
Pheng Moua NBA ref says it’s legal. Here’s the video
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YASSSSSSSSS Thank You Coach Nick, Thank You Kakashi Sensei, thank you Referee Jeff, thank you cameraman! or camerawoman!, thank you editing person! And Carmelo thanks you as well, HA!
In FIBA rules it cleary defines, two steps, at 6:25 you say 1,2.. pivot and as you raise the pivot foot and by having the other foot on the ground.. that is the Extra/Third step.. "Travelling is the illegal movement of one foot or both feet beyond the LIMITS outlined...", you are correct that Jordan did something similar, but more often than none jump with boot feet at the same time.. and if its really fast its hard to catch.. but an intire extra step is really hard of the defender..
Thanks for common sense. It's a two year old comment, but still I felt the need to thank you
I have to thank you too. First comment i ever read on the internet that explained it correctly
That’s so wrong. While the pivot foot is established and on the ground the other foot is step 2 no matter how many times that foot takes a step. There could be 5 step 2’s. There is no 3rd illegal step unless the pivot foot is both raised and returned to the ground before the ball is released.
Thanks for the video Coach! I always try to emphasize the pivot foot rather than some sort of one-two count when it comes to travelling (outside the NBA at least). As you guys mentioned, lots of guys freak out about the up and under they don't realize how similar the footwork is to basic layups or something flashier such as Dirk's one-legged fall away jumper. One question I have is about the gather timing (ball at rest in either 1 or 2 hands, i.e., hand under ball). I was under the impression that you cannot pivot even if you jumpstopped (or stepbacked) and landed on both feet at the same time if you gathered while still on the floor because you established a pivot foot before you jumped (which I think is the only legal way to lift and plant a pivot foot).
I was always under the impression that the second step that taken after gathering the ball becomes the pivot foot not the first step. This is why your allowed 2 steps, 0 step (on the gather) 1 step 2 step pass shoot layup. If you stop on the 2nd step then take another step it IS a 3rd step, which is a travel.
5:24 saving this time stamp for if this ever comes up at the court lmao
Okay, I appreciate this video for addressing the up and under move correctly. I still would like to see someone address the differences in the traveling rule between the NBA and and lower levels, particularly the gather step (AKA zero step). In situations where a player picks the ball up when one foot is already on the ground there seems to be a difference in the rules between NCAA and NBA (and I believe high school rules are more aligned with NCAA).
The NCAA rule says:
"A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:... When one foot is on the playing court: ...That foot shall be the pivot foot"
The NBA rule says:
"A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball...The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball." (the key word here is "after")
So in a situation where a player picks up the ball while his left foot is on the ground, the NCAA rule would deem the left foot the pivot foot. So you could put the right foot down, pick the left foot up, and shoot/pass. But with the left foot being your pivot foot, you could not put the right foot down, pick the left foot up, and put the left foot down again.
In the NBA if you pick the ball up with the left foot already on the ground, the first step hasn't occurred yet because no foot has come down "after gaining control of the ball." This is commonly called the zero step or gather step. The first step would be when you put the right foot down, and the second step would occur after you picked the left foot up and put it down again. This is why the Harden step back and the Giannis euro step is legal in the NBA but wouldn't be legal in high school or college.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Zero step or gather step are not always there, it is a special scenario. When you receive the ball on air by 1 hand, and landed on right foot then left, and step again then right, the first right foot was the gather step. It is different when you catch the ball on air with 2 hands and come down on right foot first (now this becomes the pivot), then left foot, another step would be travel. Driving on lane, last dribble ball on right foot (dribble simultaneous step on right foot), step left foot while ball still on right hand (this is the gather step), then step right foot again simultaneous holding the ball 2 hands, lift the left foot (right foot becomes the pivot), go for layup (LEGAL MOVE). It is different when you do ball on right foot, then pick up the ball with 2 hands, once you lift your left foot, your right becomes your pivot foot, then jump on your left foot, LEGAL but no GATHER STEP done. It is all about ending the dribble, you can stutter step (can be called gather steps) while the ball his floating under your one hand, still LEGAL.
"Please correct me if I'm wrong." I think you're wrong. You are shorting a step all around.
IMO, if the left foot is already touching the ground at the time your last dribble hits the floor, that foot doesn't count, at any level. You can take right and left, two more steps. This is how I was taught in high school: perform your last dribble while your left foot is on the floor, then take a right and then left for a layup. But in NBA, you can dribble before that left foot even hits the floor. And that left still doesn't count because you have not gathered, yet. So in the NBA you can dribble while on your fight foot, BEFORE the left foot hits the floor, gather, and then still take a right and then another left.
IOW, in high school and college, it seems to matter when the ball actually bounces off the floor. It's on the player to gather after that, during the next two steps, and to get off the shot or pass. But in NBA, the time where the ball last touches the floor is almost irrelevant. It mostly matters where the player gathers (I say mostly, because the gather rule states it covers only one step, so technically you can't take 2-3 baby steps after the ball last hit the floor but before gathering, then take 2 more). Since many players can palm the ball, the NBA rule is pretty hard to enforce properly/consistently. The spot where the ball last hits the floor is must easier to determine by an outside observer compared to the time when the player picks up the dribble. So essentially, this rule gives the NBA players 3 steps after the last dribble.
This is how I interpret the rules actually playing my entire life and watching college and NBA games.
In reality, sometimes it is close, and a high school or college player will get away with 3 steps. In the NBA, often is the case where someone gets away with 4 or even 5 steps after the last dribble. IMO, Canter gets away with a blatant travel, taking 4 steps after a single dribble, on the last shot in a playoff game. I've seen Lebron take 5, in the post, turning around 180 degrees and then stepping, all after his last dribble.
@@mildyproductive9726 Thanks for responding.
I agree that the rule is very difficult to enforce in real-time and that players often get away with an extra step when it is a close call.
It is interesting that you frame the rule in relation to when the last dribble hits the floor. I don't see a place in either rule book (NCAA or NBA) that refers to when the last dribble hits the floor. The NCAA traveling rule refers to when a player "ends a dribble" (Section 5 art. 4) and the NBA rule refers to the "completion of a dribble" (NBA rule book Section XIII - b.)
The NCAA defines an end of a dribble as touching the ball with both hands or carrying/palming the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands (Section 13, Art. 4). This is significantly different from when the last dribble hits the floor. I don't see a formal definition in the NBA rule book for "completion of a dribble" so I'm going to tentatively assume it is the same as the NCAA's definition.
Now you may argue that some travels are actually called based on when the last dribble hits the floor and you could have a point, but I'm limiting the scope of my argument here to the literal NCAA/NBA rule.
I also don't see any restriction on the number of steps you can take between when your last dribble hits the floor and when you end/complete your dribble in either rule book.
As for your first example, I see nothing wrong under the NCAA rule if you "perform your last dribble while your left foot is on the floor, then take a right and then left for a layup" provided you don't end your dribble until your right foot is on the ground.
NCAA rulebook: www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR20.pdf
NBA rulebook official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/
@@dot333333 The best way I can interpret the NBA rule is you can take 3 steps after the last dribble. Unless the player manages to get two hands on the ball before taking the first step (which is not impossible but would be very difficult), he can take 3 steps. And because of the other new rules (euro step and up and under full step) this isn't strictly limited to shots/layups, like the 2 steps in high school are. But any time a player takes 4 steps after the last dribble in the NBA, that should definitely be a travel (not that it will always be called).
For this ref to claim all of basketball should follow NBA rules is pretty bold. The one asshole who adopts NBA rules will think he is awesome and will take every other shot for his team. And if everyone does it, we will just stop pretending there is defense anymore.
@@dot333333 Hi. You have significantly edited this post since I initially responded.
"Completion of dribble." If you consider this the same thing as picking up or ending a dribble, then there would be no need for the "gather rule" of the NBA. And you could take 3, 4, 5, 12 steps after your last dribble in high school. (Itty bitty steps taken while still "dribbling" since you haven't gathered, yet). I know what you might be tempted to say. Yes, you can take 15 baby steps after one dribble, and it's not a travel, yet. But in high school, after you gather in this scenario, you cannot take two more steps. You will be whistled for this 9 times out of 10. W/e foot is touching the ground when you gather will be your pivot foot and you cannot lift it unless jumping off it or both feet. This is why you learn proper footwork and timing of your last dribble.
The "completion of a dribble" isn't well defined, anywhere, though. I call it when the the ball bounces on the floor. You could argue it's when the ball returns to and touches your hand, which might be the most technically correct. But in any case this happens within a few milliseconds of each other in the average non-Globetrotter dribble. 99% of dribbling is having your hand on the top/side of the ball and following its arc, and 1% is the dribble. At any point during that 99%, one can physically gather the ball.
If you look at cutting/driving when starting a dribble, you can see some parallels. You can't lift your pivot foot until what? Until you the ball leaves your hand (and typically it is hitting the floor about 1mS after). It's not when you stop palming the ball and have it moving towards the floor. The dribble doesn't start the moment you "end your control/gather" of the ball. It starts when the ball leaves your hand. (And it's back to your hand in the blink of an eye. During most dribbling, your fingers might get only a few inches of separation from the ball by the time it hits the floor and bounces back.)
I assure you that what I described is how basketball is played in most high schools and playgrounds across america. The writers/readers of the rules might not be able to describe it accurately, but it is indeed the way the game is played and ref'ed. The last dribble matters independently from where you "pick up" or "gather" where you want to take two MORE steps, aka layup.
This is so cathartic to listen to and watch. I get into constant arguments in the court with people who do NOT understand how the rules work, what is and isn’t a travel and how footwork determines EVERYTHING.
THANK YOU
it is travel.
But these are all travels in HS, FIBA and Europe.
This video couldn’t have been more eye-opening.
Clarified the rule, ran a couple of different examples explaining what *is* and *is not* a travel. And also clarified the Kemba exception and why his move was legal. I love the content!
Thanks for the vid! The ruling makes sense since the pivot foot is always your first step, therefore, you are allowed to take another step with your other foot.
HOWEVER, I was hoping you guys would have clarified what constitutes a "gather" and "gather step" and "zero step", because that's the traveling issue that's frustrating the hell out of me nowadays. The NBA Board of Governors recently released a new memo clarifying what constitutes a "gather". Previously, players and their trainers interpreted a "gather" as only when a player touches the ball with two hands, which allowed James Harden to bend the rules into his "extra zero step" stepback and sidestep jumpers. But the new memo has expanded the "gather" to include simply having enough control of the ball with either one or two hands to pass, shoot, or hold (also carrying).
I'm hoping that you gentlemen, in a future video, can go into a bit of detail about these new rules and the "zero step", and on how difficult it may be to officiate what constitutes a "gather" by these new rules.
I thought these moves were pretty common as not a travel. James Harden's 4 step back is another story.
FPV Adventures they do a break down on Hardens step back move and it’s not a travel.
Handles139 in my 2k19 my career he has that double stepback animation and it irritates me everytime 😂😂😂
@Handles139 right, that was the only time it was an actual travele
pivot foot is established after discontinued dribble, while hes stepping back ball is still in one hand, thus having possibility of more dribbling to occur.. hopefully they go over this next vid, but they had one with ronnie nunn already
@@bobbybasak926 some of them are travels, you can't just say Harden's stepback move isn't a travel. Some of them are completely off the charts travels.
Great video, thanks to all involved
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This guy Devin Williams is *exactly* me and what I went through. It wasn't until I was in my 30s that I figured out how traveling works. When you really understand it then it's simple. There are no special rules for layups or being in motion, it's simply that if you lift your pivot you have to shoot or pass before the pivot returns to the floor. There are no special cases about jumping off two feet or anything like that. The tricky part is establishing that pivot, because the "gather" can be so exaggerated, but once the pivot is obvious then the rest is simple.
I from Australia and played from 13 to 40 years old, when I was about 30 in 1992 I got my referees first level badge called a " C grade ". My first coaching lesson I asked the ref teaching the class about the travel call as it was the most questioned call in the game. I started talking about steps, because everyone said you had 2 steps and if you took 3 it was travelling. He said don't think about it in steps think in counts, your pivot foot is a 1 count if you then step (move) the other foot is a 2 count, if you lift your pivot foot and replace without passing or shooting that's a 3 count and it's a travel. The guys in this video where using the "count" lesson ( I think without knowing it ) which as a player/referee made this call much easier for me, in fact a count switch would automatically go off in my head as I were referring once I got used to it. When challenged by younger guys who have only watched NBA/College ball and never picked up a whistle they refer me to the NBA's definition which talks only about the "gather step" and totally confuses the issue because it never explains when the first "step" starts so guys just dismiss this first step ( or count ) as never existing when it DOES. I have witnessed Lebron taking a 5 count dunk in the end of a frenzied finals game with no travel call, I just laughed as I know the pressure on waving scores like this off and the ridicule you'll get from fans, family and friends as a ref....it's hard to referee basketball and get it all right but when you feel pressured you can get it wrong. This was the best video I've seen by Americans on the travel call but believe if they use the "count" method they will get through to more ballers.
Devin was really mad about this when he found out😂 good lookin though homie, imma refer to you when people say I travelled on the up and under
The point of establishing pivot foot is that you can't change it, but when you jump of unother foot and lift the pivot foot, you already unpin it.
4:59 don’t tell me no one heard those voice cracks
@Coach nick, I watched the Kemba Move against Czech Republic, it's NOT a TRAVEL at all since he came down both feet simultaneous, so he can choose what foot to be his pivot.
Something I hoped they would get into was the “gather” part of the rule that makes Hardens step back apparently legal. I never understood what constitutes a gather and when it begins and ends
I hope they make a distinction between establishing pivot while in motion versus while stationary. It makes a big difference because I believe you're allowed an extra step because of your momentum.
This is the key I remember being taught. The concept of momentum. If I lift my pivot and pause then pass or shoot I'm going to definitely be called for travel so then the whole thing because muddled since you are now trying to gauge a person's momentum and asking was his speed fast enough to not call a travel since he lifted his pivot.
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Wish they would've talked about Giannis' eurostep or Harden's stepbacks. Regardless, great video.
I got a dude on insta trying to tell me that a player may not pivot following a jumpstop where the player controls the ball, collects the ball, and lands on two feet simultaneously. I think he’s misinterpreting the rule.
My cousins are warrior bandwagons and called every step of kawhi a travel. They said "kawhi took two steps" SMH kawhi does travel but not every time
Yes, in fact, Coach called him out on it in one of his videos.
Have you ever seen him on Game 7 of Playoffs against the Sixers that he'd almost made a travel before he'd done his winning clutch shot? I don't know if that's a travel but that's enough to put Naruto to shame on that one. 🤣
@@wazzup233 u do realize refs tend to not blow their whistle
The big issue is what constitutes travels has been pretty fluid over the past 20 years, and even more so going back further than that. And well the current crop of ballplayers are taught by their parents who are working mainly from a 90s mentality of ball rules so they still make those calls.
The only time I've ever been kicked out of a hs game was arguing up and unders weren't travels. Granted this ref was super old school and I liked hopping my step back (so I could choose my pivot) and to him if I wasn't shooting or passing immediately that was a travel.
3:28 This is how we used to played basketball in the 90s and 2000s.
Yep.. why doesn't he ask a refreeze during the early 90s and ask what changed
Exactly, and how MJ and Kobe used to play back then too
How are people really trying to argue that the people who made the rule didn’t understand their own rule? Doesn’t make sense. It was called that way in the past because that was the intent of the rule.
Oh my goodness! This was a GREAT SHOW today. I will be sharing this tomorrow morning!
1:20 what call did the ref miss? 🤨
IKR, couldn't name a single person who would miss that call it was like 3 steps deep out of bounds lol
Wow, I didn’t think about how badly this video was NEEDED! Thanks for clearing things up!
Hi Coach, i do this move all the time, and sometimes somebody yells me “travel!” and im like🤦🏻♂️, but now this vid it’s gonna be the perfect explanation 👏🏻 Thanks Coach Nick and Devin 🙌🏻 from Chile 🇨🇱
First thing i say when seeing your title of the video:
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
I really wished they went into detail about Harden's step back.
The reason he did it the way for 20 years because every referee called travel if he didn't. This is ridiculous.
I hate that these videos came out. Kobe would of scored 85 a game with an extra step. This is ridiculous
As a kid,I was taught incorrectly that picking up the pivot foot at all is travel. The social media trolls also say that NBA rules don’t apply to college or HS, but this rule applys to all. Saving this video to show when someone calls me in a pickup game next time.
"Show us jumping off two feet"
- Doesn't show feet
Iv always been told if you put the ball on the ground you get an extra step like a lay up but if you don’t put the ball on the ground during your move you cannot lift your pivot establish another foot as a pivot
Such an important vid. I wasted soo much time arguing with everybody about that, even once with fiba ref and even he was wrong
Coach. Two questions: 1) what about open foot starts. The reason this is a travel is the pivot lifts prior to dribble? 2) how many steps are you allowed prior to pickup? Is the pivot only established after pickup? Great vid!!
It doesn’t matter, it’s the same thing. If pick up your pivot then dribble and drive left, the pivot will return to the ground resulting in a travel! It’s the same rule!
"A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor." - NBA rule book
This is for the up and under
Ab Haq Nope because that means the second step is replaced with the jump stop.
For the up an under, it is different.
You need to look at the details.
WAIT A MINUTE!!! like Devin said "Read the rule book" And Jeff Logan is right!! lifting your pivot IS NOT traveling!! you may lift your pivot and shoot ( jump in the air off one leg and shoot) you may lift your pivot and pass ( jump in the air and pass) you cannot lift your pivot and dribble. (jab step with your right leg and step with your left then dribble) What make it confusing is when ref's say the player lifted his pivot so he traveled. Why is Devin saying you must jump off two feet, if that were true you could not do a one leg layup.
I LOVE hearing the Player say... "I never did go to the ACTUAL RULES BOOK to read the rules."
AND THERE IT IS... 99% of the argument is NOBODY EVER READS THE RULES... except for the Referees . And the Referees are FORCED to read and reread the Rules Books over and over because they are TESTED on the rules every year. And the Refs MUST score relatively high just to stay employed... and higher still to work the Post Season. And that's fair... their job is to KNOW the RULES. Trust me... they KNOW them well.
I knew them fairly good when I Played and Coached. But I learned more and more every year that I was a Ref. Literally every year I learned something about the game I did not actually understand the year before. I thought I knew as a Player and Coach... as I Ref I found out how much more there was to know all the time.
Referees know rules that do not even come up in 99% of all games. Referee's can look at your Uniform and tell you WHY it is Illegal at a glance (if it is). A Referee can tell if the Coach has read the Rules Book, or NOT, within the 1st 2 minutes of the game just by the way his team Inbounds the Ball.
There are so many little ADVANTAGES written in the Rules Book to help your team win waiting there for a Coach. And those only exist because so many Coaches DO NOT read the Rules Book from cover to cover. Most Coaches and Players if the read the Books at all use it like a Dictionary to find the 1 thing they wanted to check on.
That Rules Book is a TREASURE MAP of saving your Defenders from Fouls, gaining extra time against the Officials Count(s), Drawing Fouls, avoiding Dumb Technical Fouls, and so many more small details that add up. I would estimate there are at least 5 to 12 points per game worth of knowledge hidden in plain sight in the Rules Book. How many more games would you have won if you had gained 5 or 6 more points?
OH DAMN THIS DEV WILLIAMS COLLAB IS LEGENDARY. Great work.
Now I’m gone have to show everybody I play basketball with this video
Thats why harden is a very high iq guy, he just studied the rule and pushes it to limits lol.
metalsadman 🤔🤔definitely true I remember seeing a video by Devin saying that a person that that knows the rules will play better because they won’t limit themselves with things we mistake as travel
Man the camera man has some smooth movements, love the shoots and the video.
If a basketball player do his Naruto run, will a ref notice it & call a travel violation? 🤔
So like, he burst through the defender and attacking the rim as if the ball was a rasengan?
nah no way our eyes can catch that run impossible
Can't carry a basketball that way
Fantastic video. Tremendously informative. Thanks Coach!
🤔 to spread the truth 2K should add this to the game somewhere...IN THE LAB WITH DEVIN 🧪
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Exactly! Thank you were explaining the obvious for all those that don't know the rule.
But why do refs call a travel when you pivot after you land from a hop-step?
Well depends. In FIBA there are two instances: if you gather and land on both feet for your first step, you are allowed to pivot. But if take one step and then land on two, you can't pivot
Depends on if they are shooting/passing or not
because the refs in the NBA know that they are talking about, these three guys here have gotten it wrong.
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source: official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/
By the way, I really had little idea about the rules (only a rough intuitive idea), but if someone really wants to know just google it. Takes like 5 minutes.
@@mdaudi4582 no that's not right. These guys are just discussing the case of the up and under, not the second case I was talking about (and of which I am not sure if the NBA has it the same way)
So, from this standpoint, James Harden's step back jumper is a travel since he establishes his left foot as his legal pivot foot, then steps or hop back and lift said pivot foot, plants his right foot effectively changing his pivot foot from left foot to right foot, then plants his left foot again before jumping for the shot. I think from that perspective, it's a travel since he was able to change his pivot foot before taking the shot.
Nah, because they say his first step is a gather step, so he either keeps one hand off the ball completely or keeps the hand that is on the ball above/on the side of the ball for the duration of that step. So his pivot foot is established on what looks like is his second step, but is technically speaking his first. Sometimes he does travel obviously but I think the majority of the time he abuses that weird gather step rule to perfection. It’s pushing the limits of legality, but I think it’s legal.
@@kamrinmurphy6052 I've been wondering ever since Harden was able to manipulate the system to his advantage, when was this "gather step" ever established?
'cause when I was doing that very same move growing up in the 80's and 90's, refs would always call me for a travel, even other players on pickup games would call it a travel.
But if I do the same move today, it's OK since James Harden and most NBA guys now are doing it.
Matthew del Rosario Yeah, I’m not sure when it started honestly, I’m 18 and I only got into basketball about 3 years ago. I just know that there’s a old school step back, where you do a pound dribble simultaneous with your first step, and then take your two steps, which is indisputably legal, and then there’s the new school step back, where you don’t dribble during your first step, you just kinda suspend the ball in the air and grab it after your first step hits the ground. I do both and rarely get called out in pick up games, but a lot of refs at the high school and rec league level will still call the new school one a travel like every time lol.
@@kamrinmurphy6052 I think, that's what makes Harden's move confusing. It's that instant when he picks up his dribble then seemingly takes 3 steps before making the shot. Old school would only allow a player 2 steps to either take a shot or make a pass after stopping his dribble or else it's a travel. there's no such thing as a "gather step" back then, and if there were, no one is actually aware of it.
Matthew del Rosario It’s definitely confusing man. I think Coach Nick should do an episode on it.
Id say because many of us grew up following the literal rule, , and no bullshit gather step/s. We'd always wonder why the nba, even in the 80s the nba let players take so many steps
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None of this has anything to do with a father step
@@LaMar34_34 no shit. Im answering the actual q in the title.
@@LaMar34_34 because I already knew the rule being discussed on vid, and thought it was common knowledge (lol, because I made comment before watching really)
I had this argument EVERY training session with my HS coach!
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Thankyou. Everytime I do an up and under or a post fade in practice or rec, all the little guards freaking out screaming travel. And I try to explain that its just like a layup. But thankyou for explaining it clearly
What’s the point of establishing a pivot foot or even calling it a pivot foot?
If you lift that pivot foot it’s a travel. That’s the entire point of having a pivot foot.
Doing a continuous movement is not a travel.
Up & under is a travel if you come off that pivot foot. Doing a fadeaway off jumper after establishing a pivot foot you must come off 2 feet.
The entire reason why a pivot foot is established is to anchor you to the floor to force you to complete a movement. Pass or shoot. Once that pivot foot is established you cannot lift it if your other foot is on the ground. If you lift that pivot foot and take a step that’s another step = traveling
All these refs need to learn how to officiate like in the 1980s & 1990s
The game is trash because of these dogsh*t referees making horrible calls.
You’re asking these idiots who think 3 steps isn’t traveling LMFAO 😅
Adam Silver + refs + league officials allow cheating to boost viewership, ratings, & money.
If you lift that pivot foot and a foot is still on the ground it’s a travel. Period.
Amazing video from coach nick. Very helpful
It’s not just basketball fans. It’s also NBA players. There is a reason why we don’t see it in the NBA. It’s a common thing in the WNBA. But it’s an NBA sin. That’s why Kevin Garnett was arguing the move with Candace Parker a while back.
There was just a unwritten rule that says you must keep that pivot foot down when you jump. It’s just always going to be that way 🤷♂️
Actually people that do use every aspect of the rules, are the ones in the unstoppable departmen. Kobe did this a lot. Even the Dream did this constantly on the post. The gasofts. Dwade.....
GutAnd Family I have never seen any of those players do this exact move and i have watched days worth of film and highlights on them. This is a move you will only see used in the WNBA. Coach nick couldn’t even find a clip of an NBA player doing it in a game, that’s how mutually sinful it is by the players.
We would never know if this is really a travel in the NBA because we rarely see it. Regardless wether it is a travel or it isn’t, players won’t use the move just out of principle and precedents.
@@Thechocolate130 theres a famous highlight of olajuwon doing that step through back in the 90s. in virtually every olajuwon highlight video i see it. matter of fact i see this move with most players famous for their footwork/postgame, like kobe which the previous guy mentioned
well shu Link it then. If it’s so famous and common then show it to me....0
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kobe doing it at 3;52
it looks funny but its not a travel nor is it a sin
Now what about when Giannis takes 5 steps? Which is his pivot?
Traveling doesn’t exist in the NBA period
If its in the rules
This was so insightful. I honestly had no idea about the pivot foot jump. Thank you.
So James harden travels copy
I'm going to sent this to my friend who argued with me for years regarding this topic.
Eh who cares they barely even dribble anymore. When you got your mvp flopping and taking double step backs, why bother
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Lebron signs with the Heat.
NBA Fans: LEBRON’s LEGACY IS OVER. WHERES THE COMPETITION.
Boogie signs with the warriors.
NBA Fans: THE NBA IS OVER. BASKETBALL IS RUINED.
James Harden wins MVP once.
NBA Fans: DRIBBLING IS TAINTED. OH MY GAWD EVERYONE TRAVELS AND FLOPS NOW. WHAT HAPPENED TO INTEGRITY?
Yeah seems normal.
This is the exact video that I was hoping to find. Thanks.
Where is the pivot foot of James Harden? Its a traveling. Traveling Harden!
this video is amazing, thank you very much Coach Nick!
well, in europe coaches start to teach this stuff at 5/6 yo kids
I've been doing this my whole life... and I'm not even a good basketball player. We were taught this as soon as we touched our first ball... and I keep teaching it to my kids. Surprised that americans realize now that it's not a travel.
great video, i had the same understanding, but it is great to double confirm.
The step back is 2 steps already. You can pivot out of a hop step or step back.
Great vid.👍👍👍. Please do another one. I thought the same thing when it came to the up and under move. Wow. Cool.
Lots more episodes coming up!!
I swear if I tried to explain this on the court in pickup ain't nobody tryin to hear that!!!...I'm about to start abusing fools at my next run lmao...I'm with Dev all my life I was told jump off two once you pick up the pivot...Great Video!!!
Step through is adding one more step after establishing pivot foot so it is a travel!
Thank you! Rly I appreciate this video. Keep it up!
Thats a BBallBreakdown if I ever seen one! Thanks coach!
09:54 as he picks his pivot foot up, what he does is not shooting, so the ball did NOT leave his hand, he does steps on his left foot, that is why it is confusing.
Nice video Coach Nick, you really solve an arguments that me and my friend are talking for days...
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9:12 but actually the kemba move wouldn't be travel under the current rule. Coz the pivot now is called the gather step (or step zero), so his right foot will actually become the pivot and therefore making the move leagl (since he won't land his right before he takes a shot.)
Don't justify traveling because these boys in the nba are taking 5,6,7 steps or more
So basically, its ok to change your pivot in certain situations.
I would have love to hear the ref's perspective on the step through without a shot just as he had 5:50 (assuming the pivot foot does not come back down). You may ask why someone would do that? Well, that step through "pirouette" would allow for a lot of potential fakes and escapes from traps.
If that is legal then, the rules need to be rewritten to clarify.