*insert generic hateful comment here* because the brand/model of bow I shoot wasn't even mentioned and I needed that justification from someone on the internet because my ego can't handle rejection
Never looked back after discovering the tunability of the Bowtechs. Not sure there will ever be a better all around bow than my Reign 7. Would live to try one of the SS's though.
After watching a bunch of bow vids, I went bow shopping and tried some out. And from what I have gathered, the quietest, smoothest shooting bow I found was the Lift. It is a bad cat… I’m super excited to use it this season.
"Giving us what we need as hunters, for the best price possible."......it's that simple, great words....As far as the Lift, a guy in my club is asking for a refund. He basically said, " I now have a bow , that I am afraid to shoot. I've stopped using cheaper things in the field, because I've taken them in the field with me and they didn't work or malfunctioned. Things as simple as scent cover. I don't care about the warranty". I definitely understand where he is coming from. I recently bought the NV-3, was looking to add one more bow, so thanks for this list.
I've owned and shot almost every flag ship bow for a while now and have run them through the paces as far just 2024 bows I would suggest giving darton, elite and pse evolve a try before buying any bow on this list I love bowtech an actually have an honor coming this week but that core ss was one of there worst bow they made
@@Cparchery... Thank you. I appreciate that list. I will definitely look at the Elite and PSE. I will have to try to find somewhere close to me for that Darton. I'm hoping to get one of the major flagship bows. I'll definitely have to do more bow hunting then..lol
Appreciate your words about the Core SS. Feel like its a truly underrated bow. Its a sleeper for sure. Lots of folks might take the SR for the extra FPS, but the draw cycle is much nicer, and shoots very close to IBO rated speed with the right arrows. I have a couple of different arrow setups w/ my Core SS & am at 310 FPS w/ a 358g & 300 FPS 383g arrow, 29.5" Draw @ 65#. Still shoot my Carbon Icon @ 60# from time to time, which is super light and it is night and day - much prefer shooting the heavier Core SS.
I love my Bear Alaskan XT and Whitetail Maxx, with the latter shooting my best 3D score of 302, coming in 2nd place to the guy who shot a 304 with a PSE Carbon Levitate (a bow costing 3x as much).
Bought my Lift prior to any news about limb issues and it has been great. However I think it is reasonable to have hesitation. I was shopping the Mathew’s and Hoyt against each other and might have gone Hoyt if I had known about a limb issue. In defense of the Lift if it was just a bad batch of limbs like they said the lifetime transferable limb replacement has just made that bow more valuable.
Ya but like he said and I totally agree. I wouldn't take a bow out that's known to have problems even if it's a 5% chance . Number 1 it messes with my confidence in shooting and the bow and number 2 I wouldn't take the risk of it failing when I'm drawing on a big buck
I’ve been trying to get an idea of what to get. I’ve never been hunting but grandfather does, but not bow hunting. I’d love to start learning more. Definitely going to sub and look out for new vids. Love the style of your presentation, and the honesty. Great work. Thanks for the ideas. Great video.
Good review, I agree on prime they are a great platform I personally hope for 2025 change that grip or have grip option that change out. If Athens was still in business their 2024 axxis is awesome as well.
.3% of the Lift has had limb issues and from the actual data . Those bows showed the issues in 50 or less arrows, with the majority within less than 20 arrows. Though I agree there should not be issues at all. The limb issues are not even in the ball park of what the “internet” is saying it is. Facts not feelings.
Lift 33 owner here. I noticed mine was delaminating after around 2000 shots. That being said the dealer had the part and bow fixed in 3 days. No questions asked.
Can’t fault anyone from wanting to stay away from a known issue on a piece of equipment vital to a hunt. Especially if you’re sinking thousands of dollars in tags/travel and using precious benefit time. Mathews is a company that will do its best for its consumers though and that says alot of good about them
I don't love the hoyt I've never bought a PSE in my life, but I think I'm going to buy that Mach 30 next year. I shot mathews forever then changed to bowtech 10 years ago bought both, now I'm just going to try that PSE tho.
The draw and hold on the Prime are really nice. Good on the Elite too.....just a little better and buttery smooth on the Prime. I shot Elite from 20-23.....and it was really hard to NOT walk out with the Ethos.....but that RVX 34 won me over. For me....the RVX & Ethos are my top 2.
The Lord allowed me to pick up a lift 33. It has been a great bow and no problems. I do feel comfortable and confident taking that bow into the woods and trying to harvest animals. Like others have mentioned, matthews has a very quick turn around time. I've seen on fb hoyt group where the cs for hoyt wasn't that good in their experience and the turn around time was weeks. Not denying any company today is producing some incredible bows. Bear for the price has done a phenomenal job this year. Cheers sir, I enjoy the show and no hard feelings. Your top 5 was a bad showing either. Looking forward to 2025 line up from brands this year. I'm very thankful and happy with my lift 33 and will not be in the market to upgrade anytime in the foreseeable future.
I’ve shot well over 200 shots with mine and it’s great for me. Im running 410 grain arrows and at a 27 in draw length and roughly 65 lbs draw weight, I’m getting 243 fps. I have not had a single malfunction that wasn’t user error.
I do appreciate a well balanced review. I will still be going for the persist just because of a couple factors for me personally but that hoyt does look awful good
Awesome review!! I think your list is definitely fair and on point!! Just curious if the Athens would have made your list of not for them going out of business? Such a bummer cause really liked the direction they were going and that warranty was awesome ! Keep up the great work love the channel!
I shoot a Mathews monster wake. I like that the lift didn’t make top 5. Not because I don’t like Mathews. But because I agree with you about over complicating things. The V3X was the last bow they produced that was impressive to me.
I think I’m gonna go by the Alaskan , would you consider that an OK bow to do 3-D target shoot with? I’m a huge fan of bear. I have the legit but I also mainly shoot but I’m really want to compound for 3-D.
I shot that Alpha x 30,, super smooth ., I myself thought the Xlite 31 felt the best. The 35 felt good, better than 29 to me & I like short bows. Also, I shot both pse Mach 30 & their aluminum bow. The aluminum would be my choice, that bow to me was right up there with Hoyt alpha x.
hey there everyone, looking to get into hunting and target shooting. i would appreciate any feedback and beginner tips and advice for a newbie... lol. feel free to reply! also great video, ive been doing alot of research and these bows are all on other top 10 list!
And when purchasing a used lift how would u be able to tell which batch it came from , just unlike Mathew’s, personally I wouldnt buy or hunt with one but that’s just me
@@BackyardBows If you know about the letter matthews sent out, it states that the limbs are covered for life for the original owner and the second owner. Of you watch podium archer he reads the letter and explains that it's only a certain batch that the limbs are cracking on.
If you have the money for the bow and full accessories I'd try as many as you can in the price range. I shot em all and ended with the bowtech Core SS with the Alpha X right in 2nd. Especially if you are new you won't know the difference but they all handle VERY differently! Have fun!
The Mathew’s lift issue was a material issue, that’s been fixed and was only for a certain number of bows that were from that specific shipment of bad material.
I have friends that have had limbs Crack, get the replacement, then the replacement cracked again, and are now ordering a full set again for yet another cracked limb. Seems they would be through the bad batch with that time line. He got his bow just a couple months ago.
Honestly loved the ethos just vary similar to recent bows that made our Top five before so we let some other companies shine , omnia is still my number one elite bow
Definitely try an elite they probably have the most efficient cam as far as the speed it gets for the draw cycle and brace height never mind how adjustable it is I would suggest the ethos or era
@@danieloxendine4753 I have a Hoyt. Nothing wrong with it really. Just the shining of the cams is frustrating. I finally got it dialed in. This was the most difficult year I’ve had tuning a bow. I pushed the limits on everything just to do it. Wide fixed blade single bevel Iron Will with aerovane from firenock. I was told I couldn’t shoot that Vane with Iron Will broadheads. You can but it about made me go insane!! I got it now.
Couldn't help but think when you said that you wouldn't be surprised if mathews phased out they're current split limb design - the models would go from "phase 4" to "lift" to "phased out!😂" Gonna stick with my v3x 33 for now love it even though its on the heavy side.
Posted just as I’m balancing arrows to exact same weight.💪. I’m buying the lift. Lifetime warranty for second buyers. Might be the best deal you’ll ever see.
Gotta give Mathews their credit. They can have enough issues to extend their warranty to the second hand market and folks think that makes the bow the best. I own a V3X. It's a great set up but no Fanboy.
I would think Mathews would change something with materials and cure the problem. Even if they don’t, you’ll have no problem selling this bow. I shot it and I couldn’t ignore how much I liked it. I am a fan boy though. New Mathews every 4-5 years since 1998.
I have a Prime logic ct9 that is pretty old. I was a bit hesitant because it kinda has 4 cams and a weird split-string thing going on, but HOLY is it a great bow. It is a dang laser. The only bow I have shot that I can say is better is the Mathews TRX 40, which I also got years ago. Both are incredible. Between my two bows, the Mathews is the standout because it feels like the bow reads your mind. The arrow just goes where you want it to. I can't describe it beyond that. Any modern top brand flagship-series bow is GOING to be good. They have been making bows and competing for decades. Between Hoyt, Mathews, PSE, Prime, Bowtech and a few others, your choice should be purely on feel. How comfortable is the bow for you? How smooth does it feel? How dead in the hand is it when you shoot? Does the arrow go where you want it to? Does it feel great in your hand. Most importantly, does it feel like an extension of you? People keep arguing over which brand is the best. Year-to-year, yeah, one brand may have the best bow, but they have been passing around that honor for many years. Notably, Hoyt has probably held the "best bow" for the most number of years. However, Mathews introducing the HTR was CRAZY. That bow was NUTS and I wish I hadn't gifted mine to a friend. Bowtech has the BEST bows for anyone who likes tuning and working on their own stuff. Not just that, but Bowtech has the SMOOTHEST bows. Mathews feels the most polished without accessories and to me feels the most special, Hoyt feels powerful, and is a laser beam with tuning, Prime bows have ABSURDLY stable feel and ease of aim. YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH ANY MAJOR BRAND. Go to a good shop. Test them all. Pick the one that speaks to your soul when you shoot it. Enough of this "my brand better than your brand ooga booga" nonsense. Leave that "apple user" mentality in the city.
Loved the ethos as well, it’s up there just already had the omnia and high on a top 5 and they have all been pretty similar lately with elite so I gave some other bows the time, ended up shooting a yote through the neck at 35 yards which is a hard ass shot, held so solid, 🔥
Knew this was coming, honestly should have explained my position. Great bow but to similar to years past, would still take the omnia over all other elites, only can say good things about elite and what they have been doing
I'm conflicted, I can get a great deal on a bowtech carbon one. But that PSE Mach 30 is all I think about, except the price lol! Currently shooting a Hoyt Ventum Pro which I love so probably makes more sense to go with the Alpha X
Venting pro was 💯 I would switch it up and go with what u really want the Mach 30, if your not planning on trading / selling then your looking at an amazing two bows, ventum pro/mach30
In 2020 I bought a Bowtech Amplify and had it for 3 years. 2024 I bought a Prime Ronan omg I fell in love lol. That center grip bow is balanced correctly. My shot is 100 times better. My arrows fly 100 times better. That Prime Ronan was absolutely hands down the best choice I have ever made to switch to Prime. Only thing I can't decide on is a good quality quiver. So many makers and designs out there. I want something light weight. Prime Archery in my opinion is the way to go. My accuracy got 100 times better too.
@@blackstream8351 yes I have checked them out. Little expensive. I like G5 Quiver but wanted something mid grade price range around 80 to 90 maybe. Lightweight too. Idk I'm just being picky I guess.
Ive watched a ton of reviews and ive seen that hoyt has had limb issues this year too not as many as Mathews but a few and the customer service at hoyt wasnt the greatest where they were waiting 6weeks for limbs and mathews is back up and shooting same week most of the time with thier customer service being outstanding if i bought a hoyt and had a problem and lost half a deer season because of it i think id be a little more worried the fact that you said you wouldn't take a lift in the feild is wild!
I love my AlphaX it is a fantastic bow. Smooth, accurate, and will be my hunting bow for a very long time. Probably will never get rid of it. However, I shot the PSE evolve 33 with the EC2 cams and wow, that thing was a blast to shoot. I would encourage people to give it a try. It’s forgiving and has a lot of positives. Anyway, love this channel and this review. Can’t make em all happy, and in all honesty, this is your list, period. I don’t understand why people feel the need to defend their bow if it’s not for you. I don’t agree with some of your choices, but I am not going to bitch about it. And if the alpha x wasn’t in the top 5, it was for me, that’s all that matters. Can’t stand the “take these 8 limbs and love it crowd”. However that would be a great country song 😂
Love all the past 3-4 years of bows, just the ethos was so similar to some of the other elites that made the top 5 we decided to let some other companies/ bows shine, loved the ethos hunted with it last year
Have shot most of the flagships released the last few years and nothing feels good enough to justify spending $1100+ to retire the Nexus. Really wish i would have given Prime a chance like a decade ago, they shoot so damn good
I had a bear legit and I had problems with it from the get go. String shit out, top cam bent out of no where and it just sucked to shoot. That one put a bad taste in my mouth for bear. Went with the darton consequence and have not been disappointed yet.
its no mystery why Bear struggles to break into the top tier. Love your reviews and the Persist was at the top in every single category and you pick one of their price point options? That hurts their flagship market when giving their flagship model its cred elevates their entire line up. Disappointing but hey now i know where you are at too. Its like Everyone is afraid to pick Bear including you too brother. Its all good. I own the alpha and the Darton and the Persist and it most definitly should be on that list. Its quieter, as fast or faster, and as accurate as any other. The best cable guard system hands down plus the level is sweet when setting up your bow. Oh well. Good luck!
@@BackyardBows Saw that vid too. I'm a subscriber. Just hate the flack Bear gets. Like I said own many flagships from many makers. I'm addicted and the wife says I need help. LOL!
Yep, I love my Persist, and the Execute 32 last year. They are both excellent but the Persist is just top notch, super smooth draw and fast. 277fps with 450gr arrow at 28" draw.
The persist draw cycle isn’t close to the alpha x. The dump into the back wall is worse than Mathew’s. Bears best flagship bow has been the Refine. It was smooth, fast & didn’t feel near as bulky. Refine was awesome, went downhill afterwards
That’s how u know we give fair assessment in all reviews and give grades individually with unbiased, top five or my personal favorite is just that a preference factoring in my feild experience and hunting style, that’s what separates the actual reviews from these type of videos, there more thorough factor in a lot more, if my top five videos were the five highest grades everyone they would be totally different
Hola, brandon, cual de estos utilizarias para la caza? Calidad precio? Personalmente me gusta Alaska xt y persist de oso, pero no tengo el gusto de haberlos probado, cual piensas que tiene más funcionalidad en el campo y estabilidad ? Actualmente utilizo el oso LEGHIT
First of all ur channel is amazing and I'm looking for a budget bow older split limb even in the 29 limbo to limb range moose, bear. I'm a northern bc boy
@@BackyardBows Im shooting a whitetail legend pro, so its not like I have a dog in the fight. I was just curious if you had something against them. Im upgrading next year. My R&D team (me) is always searching for info.
I went away from mathews 2 years ago when i my mod snapped mid draw on a massive buck in kansas. Buck of a lifetime. And i my string derailed, and i couldnt shoot. Felt helpless. Never again will i shoot a mathews. The shop cant fix your bow in the field on a trip 1800 miles from home. Just saying.
I’m not trying to be a hater on your list, but to not have the Elite Ethos somewhere near the Bowtech is mind blowing to me. I would be willing to bet that if you watched other videos on UA-cam for bows of 2024, I would bet 95-99% of them would include the Ethos solely because of the tune ability let alone how it shoots…. Just my 2 cents….Only gripe I guess I had with your list….but otherwise I think you can make an argument for all on your list…. Thanks for the videos
I love input don’t ever hesitate to comment , and here is my thoughts. Ethos loved and put in the field last season, amazing bow just like the rest of elites lately, we have included elites in our top five that are so similar to the ethos that I wanted to give some other bows/companies the spotlight, hindsight I should have stated all this is the video.
And the worst draw cycle out of all the bows I shot this year! I even thought the Persist had a better draw! The Mach 30 DS had not come out yet when I chose the Alpha X 30, it's a beast,love it!
I’m buying a bowtech core ss this year because my shop will work with me on a “paper tune” but if my broadhead tuning needs work I’m 100% on my own and I don’t think I’m alone in that. Most shops aren’t taking people to the range and grouping their broadheads and field points. Also I love the feature of having the flip disk to shoot comfort mode for 3d and then flip it to performance for hunting if I want a little more speed.
Absolutely insane that the LIFT33 is not on this list. And I shot Hoyt forever! I have 2 LIFTS…….. LIGHTER; QUIETER; FASTER and more FORGIVING than any of these AND the few limb issues THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED is a mute point!
Of course and other issues each company goes through it but that’s what so great about so many amazing options to choose from or not just shoot whatever your company offers choice gives u
Man I’ve always liked your channel but leaving the lift out is unbelievable to me. I’ve been bowhunting since 2001 and have owned way more Hoyt’s than Mathews thru the years . I have a lift 33 that I absolutely love. Zero issues. I had a Phase 4 33 last year with zero issues. The lift riser is my favorite part of the bow! It aims incredible!!
Crazy justification to not put Mathews in the top 5. "its hard to maintain the No.1 spot" "they are too innovative" "take a step back, the risers are too much" Yes I can understand the worry that 3% of the bows may have limb issues. You of course do not want to get seriously hurt or hear of someone getting hurt. But come on. I on the contrary think they need to be even more innovative. I shoot a Vertix and all the bows since the Triax are pretty much the same bow with various ATA sizes and some minor new tech.. Every other company has been jocky-ing to be the number 2 behind Mathews for the last 30 years and until they also do something wildly innovative, it will stay that way.
I disagree I think there have been several bows since the halons that I would choose over a Mathew’s any day, Mathew’s capitalized the marketing game and until just recently has felt some pressure from some of these other companies, I can’t even count how many hunters and archers have come into the shop and bought something other than Mathew’s for The first time ever, again I love Mathew’s always have and always will, but the reality is people are starting to venture out and realize the endless options of amazing equipment out there. Mathew’s feels the heat or they wouldn’t have switched out the limbs and the Limb pockets and axle placement, it still seems all a little much to me. The 8 limbs will not last it was a marketing scheme.
Far from a Mathew’s hater just cause I don’t love everything they put out, I have a v3x I’ll prolly never let go, hard to absolutely love everything one company puts out
Imagine shooting the same bow since 2009. String replacements, sight and rest swaps and being super happy. Now imagine you buy a new bow with high expectations and find yourself utterly disappointed that new technology has not made these pieces of equipment that much better. Now imagine the bow you bought is "made in America" but then they added a shitty hat thats made in china in the box and it doesn't even fit an adult sized head. It actually looks like something you pulled out of a box you found in some abandoned mobile home park, bill all loppy, like something some asian tourist would be wearing.👎
I’m a Bowtech guy, and I have to tell ya, you have lost your damn mind by leaving the lift out!!! Plenty of comments here making sense, something you’ve lost. 😂
Well I did like your channel until u said hoyt was the best… and respectfully out of all the bows and companies out there I dont think they come even close to what the other companies are doing. Personally wuite frankly i feel like they have tajen a back seat ever since they cane out with the carbon bows and the outrageous money they cost at that time. There a lot more companies out there that have more features more and new tech on their bows than any of the hoyts…did hoyt bias u in some way???? Because based on all of them out there i dont think hoyt is barely in the top five anymore.
😂 best part about all of this is we all have different feels, taste, and OPINION. And no I give it to ya how I see no company has a hand in my pocket and never will.
@@BackyardBows I’m a lift shooter but I agreed with Hoyt at #1 for all around great shooting, great feeling and built to last. Not a fan boy of any company but Hoyt is as solid as it gets with no compromises except for price. I wanted a lighter bow with a longer ata and was between rx8 ultra and the lift 33. In the end price and speed at my draw length pushed my to the lift. Good review!
@@BackyardBowsI mean it’s a sub 4lb aluminum bow. It’s above and beyond class of the other bows and absolutely drives tacks. I haven’t had any issues and did a hunt in Illinois with it and taking it to Colorado on a elk hunt, Utah on a mule deer hunt this year and Maine on a bear hunt and not even flinching about the limb issue. It’s so small of a issue that everyone is making big 🤣
funny, top 5 to 10 bows, except bear and bowtec they made the top 5. and no hardly any mathews limbs failed, its reports mostly from hoyr fans.1 lift, 2 ss, 3 elite, 4 sr 5 alskan. imagine any company selling the amount off bows in a year mathews sold, then a rew bows out off a million bows had a fail. hoyt have limb failure rates per bow sold higher, bowtec not many since they make their own after the issue, bear ouch, elite and pse to consistant will never buy, prime, good company havent seen their faliur reports yet. fun 1 pootube fake claim makes you rank a bow low without looking into all companies. want to make a bow splinter a limb (its not a failure) nick it a 1/16 with a broadhead then draw it back, very easy to start fake bullshit
A company like Mathew’s would never address a fake issue in the matter at which they did. What wrong with saying there is a problem where there is a problem.
*insert generic hateful comment here* because the brand/model of bow I shoot wasn't even mentioned and I needed that justification from someone on the internet because my ego can't handle rejection
I’m dying took the words out of my mouth
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@@kujubowhunting6187 lol
Never looked back after discovering the tunability of the Bowtechs. Not sure there will ever be a better all around bow than my Reign 7. Would live to try one of the SS's though.
I’ll make a generic hateful comment because this tool chose a hat that proves he hates America. PINO=Patriot In Name Only.
Awesome hat brother!! Enjoying you content. Keep up the good work!
After watching a bunch of bow vids, I went bow shopping and tried some out. And from what I have gathered, the quietest, smoothest shooting bow I found was the Lift. It is a bad cat… I’m super excited to use it this season.
Also Matthews is offering a lifetime warranty on the bow. They’ve fixed the limbs already on them too it was a bad batch.
Love that you input neutral thanks for sharing we love all feedback
Nice hat brother, SUBSCRIBED !!!🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have my bear adapt +! first year learning compound bow and I'm getting real good groups at 20-30 yards. good enough for me for whitetail TX Deer.
love the hat. definently think darton is up there I love what darton did with the consequence amazing bow.
Love the hat, I'm running the SS34, and plan to use it till something shiny catches my eye. The Alpha X is pretty close!
Ss34 still one of my top favorite s
"Giving us what we need as hunters, for the best price possible."......it's that simple, great words....As far as the Lift, a guy in my club is asking for a refund. He basically said, " I now have a bow , that I am afraid to shoot. I've stopped using cheaper things in the field, because I've taken them in the field with me and they didn't work or malfunctioned. Things as simple as scent cover. I don't care about the warranty". I definitely understand where he is coming from. I recently bought the NV-3, was looking to add one more bow, so thanks for this list.
I've owned and shot almost every flag ship bow for a while now and have run them through the paces as far just 2024 bows I would suggest giving darton, elite and pse evolve a try before buying any bow on this list I love bowtech an actually have an honor coming this week but that core ss was one of there worst bow they made
@@Cparchery... Thank you. I appreciate that list. I will definitely look at the Elite and PSE. I will have to try to find somewhere close to me for that Darton. I'm hoping to get one of the major flagship bows. I'll definitely have to do more bow hunting then..lol
Appreciate your words about the Core SS. Feel like its a truly underrated bow. Its a sleeper for sure. Lots of folks might take the SR for the extra FPS, but the draw cycle is much nicer, and shoots very close to IBO rated speed with the right arrows. I have a couple of different arrow setups w/ my Core SS & am at 310 FPS w/ a 358g & 300 FPS 383g arrow, 29.5" Draw @ 65#. Still shoot my Carbon Icon @ 60# from time to time, which is super light and it is night and day - much prefer shooting the heavier Core SS.
Great video. Great hat too.
I love my Bear Alaskan XT and Whitetail Maxx, with the latter shooting my best 3D score of 302, coming in 2nd place to the guy who shot a 304 with a PSE Carbon Levitate (a bow costing 3x as much).
BUT the BEST shooters in the world do not shoot 1/2 arse budget garbage
@@wswillett Oh yeah? Tell that to Chuck Adams, who broke 2 World Records last year on two trophy animals he killed with his Bear Alaskan.
Absolutely love Darton. I have the maverick xt and it’s the best bow I’ve ever shot
Bought my Lift prior to any news about limb issues and it has been great. However I think it is reasonable to have hesitation. I was shopping the Mathew’s and Hoyt against each other and might have gone Hoyt if I had known about a limb issue. In defense of the Lift if it was just a bad batch of limbs like they said the lifetime transferable limb replacement has just made that bow more valuable.
Great points
Ya but like he said and I totally agree. I wouldn't take a bow out that's known to have problems even if it's a 5% chance . Number 1 it messes with my confidence in shooting and the bow and number 2 I wouldn't take the risk of it failing when I'm drawing on a big buck
Love the hat. Great video
I’ve been trying to get an idea of what to get. I’ve never been hunting but grandfather does, but not bow hunting. I’d love to start learning more. Definitely going to sub and look out for new vids. Love the style of your presentation, and the honesty.
Great work. Thanks for the ideas. Great video.
Good review, I agree on prime they are a great platform I personally hope for 2025 change that grip or have grip option that change out. If Athens was still in business their 2024 axxis is awesome as well.
Best bow reviewer out there
Appreciate the honesty about the lift.
all coming from a lifelong Mathew’s fan
Great reviews love the channel
Would love to see a Consequence 2 review.. Having a hard time decing between that and the revex 34
I have the consequence 1 and absolutely love it. I bet you’ll like the 2 and for the price, it leaves room for some good accessories
I specifically want to be able to shoot far .. accurately . What would you reccomend . 70 plus yards
.3% of the Lift has had limb issues and from the actual data . Those bows showed the issues in 50 or less arrows, with the majority within less than 20 arrows. Though I agree there should not be issues at all. The limb issues are not even in the ball park of what the “internet” is saying it is. Facts not feelings.
Love facts
Nope that is what is reported,from our club sounds more like 20%
Lift 33 owner here. I noticed mine was delaminating after around 2000 shots. That being said the dealer had the part and bow fixed in 3 days. No questions asked.
Can’t fault anyone from wanting to stay away from a known issue on a piece of equipment vital to a hunt. Especially if you’re sinking thousands of dollars in tags/travel and using precious benefit time.
Mathews is a company that will do its best for its consumers though and that says alot of good about them
Just another reason for Matthew's haters!
I used to shoot Prime, but 3 dealers quit stocking them by me. They dont sell I guess. But ive heard so much good about RVX.
I don't love the hoyt I've never bought a PSE in my life, but I think I'm going to buy that Mach 30 next year. I shot mathews forever then changed to bowtech 10 years ago bought both, now I'm just going to try that PSE tho.
I would swap Prime with the Elite Ethos for the number two spot and I’d agree with this list.
The draw and hold on the Prime are really nice. Good on the Elite too.....just a little better and buttery smooth on the Prime. I shot Elite from 20-23.....and it was really hard to NOT walk out with the Ethos.....but that RVX 34 won me over. For me....the RVX & Ethos are my top 2.
The Lord allowed me to pick up a lift 33. It has been a great bow and no problems. I do feel comfortable and confident taking that bow into the woods and trying to harvest animals. Like others have mentioned, matthews has a very quick turn around time. I've seen on fb hoyt group where the cs for hoyt wasn't that good in their experience and the turn around time was weeks. Not denying any company today is producing some incredible bows. Bear for the price has done a phenomenal job this year. Cheers sir, I enjoy the show and no hard feelings. Your top 5 was a bad showing either. Looking forward to 2025 line up from brands this year. I'm very thankful and happy with my lift 33 and will not be in the market to upgrade anytime in the foreseeable future.
Mathew’s has always had quicker and better customer service than Hoyt, that is fact
I’m a big Mathews fan but I have to agree those limbs are sketchy and I wasn’t fond of the draw cycle on the new bow.
Just curious if the Darton Consequence is going to be tested this year. I think that bow is the leader in the budget friendly category
Yessir on my list
I’ve shot well over 200 shots with mine and it’s great for me. Im running 410 grain arrows and at a 27 in draw length and roughly 65 lbs draw weight, I’m getting 243 fps. I have not had a single malfunction that wasn’t user error.
I think I’m going RVX 34. List was on point to me
Rvx34 💯
I do appreciate a well balanced review. I will still be going for the persist just because of a couple factors for me personally but that hoyt does look awful good
Love comments like this
Awesome review!! I think your list is definitely fair and on point!! Just curious if the Athens would have made your list of not for them going out of business? Such a bummer cause really liked the direction they were going and that warranty was awesome ! Keep up the great work love the channel!
I am warming up to Hoyt now more and more!
I was hoping you was going to mention expedition, but I get it
Appreciate that you didn't just jump on the Outdoor Life bandwagon and declare the Mach 30 as #1. I shoot PSE, so I'm not a hater.
I shoot a Mathews monster wake. I like that the lift didn’t make top 5. Not because I don’t like Mathews. But because I agree with you about over complicating things. The V3X was the last bow they produced that was impressive to me.
I think I’m gonna go by the Alaskan , would you consider that an OK bow to do 3-D target shoot with? I’m a huge fan of bear. I have the legit but I also mainly shoot but I’m really want to compound for 3-D.
I shot that Alpha x 30,, super smooth ., I myself thought the Xlite 31 felt the best. The 35 felt good, better than 29 to me & I like short bows. Also, I shot both pse Mach 30 & their aluminum bow. The aluminum would be my choice, that bow to me was right up there with Hoyt alpha x.
hey there everyone, looking to get into hunting and target shooting. i would appreciate any feedback and beginner tips and advice for a newbie... lol. feel free to reply!
also great video, ive been doing alot of research and these bows are all on other top 10 list!
Did you like the speed and how silent the Bear Persist was on the shot?
Limb issues are due to a bad batch of glass. N its happening to a certain run of lifts.
And when purchasing a used lift how would u be able to tell which batch it came from , just unlike Mathew’s, personally I wouldnt buy or hunt with one but that’s just me
@@BackyardBows Any problems with the VX3 limbs?
@@raivkka4313 nope
@@BackyardBowswouldn't matter as the Mathew’s Lift has a transferable warranty for the limbs
@@BackyardBows If you know about the letter matthews sent out, it states that the limbs are covered for life for the original owner and the second owner. Of you watch podium archer he reads the letter and explains that it's only a certain batch that the limbs are cracking on.
What y’all think about a beginner starting on an alpha x 30/33? I’m thinking about getting it because of this 😂 I’m a beginner
If you have the money for the bow and full accessories I'd try as many as you can in the price range. I shot em all and ended with the bowtech Core SS with the Alpha X right in 2nd. Especially if you are new you won't know the difference but they all handle VERY differently! Have fun!
The Mathew’s lift issue was a material issue, that’s been fixed and was only for a certain number of bows that were from that specific shipment of bad material.
I have friends that have had limbs Crack, get the replacement, then the replacement cracked again, and are now ordering a full set again for yet another cracked limb. Seems they would be through the bad batch with that time line. He got his bow just a couple months ago.
@@SWMissouriOutdoors show the limbs lol
@nuke_em_0075 I will ask him for pictures, or ask Eagle Outdoors in Neosho, MO where he's had them warrantied.
It’s cool your giving bear a little love, I’ve heard they are a sleeper.
This year I think it was well deserved
What kept the Elite out of your top 5? I am really struggling on deciding if I want to stay with my Hoyt VTM from last year or go to Elite.
Honestly loved the ethos just vary similar to recent bows that made our Top five before so we let some other companies shine , omnia is still my number one elite bow
Definitely try an elite they probably have the most efficient cam as far as the speed it gets for the draw cycle and brace height never mind how adjustable it is I would suggest the ethos or era
Thank you both!
Go with hoyt
@@danieloxendine4753 I have a Hoyt. Nothing wrong with it really. Just the shining of the cams is frustrating. I finally got it dialed in. This was the most difficult year I’ve had tuning a bow. I pushed the limits on everything just to do it. Wide fixed blade single bevel Iron Will with aerovane from firenock. I was told I couldn’t shoot that Vane with Iron Will broadheads. You can but it about made me go insane!! I got it now.
Couldn't help but think when you said that you wouldn't be surprised if mathews phased out they're current split limb design - the models would go from "phase 4" to "lift" to "phased out!😂" Gonna stick with my v3x 33 for now love it even though its on the heavy side.
Posted just as I’m balancing arrows to exact same weight.💪. I’m buying the lift. Lifetime warranty for second buyers. Might be the best deal you’ll ever see.
Gotta give Mathews their credit. They can have enough issues to extend their warranty to the second hand market and folks think that makes the bow the best. I own a V3X. It's a great set up but no Fanboy.
I would think Mathews would change something with materials and cure the problem. Even if they don’t, you’ll have no problem selling this bow. I shot it and I couldn’t ignore how much I liked it. I am a fan boy though. New Mathews every 4-5 years since 1998.
I have a Prime logic ct9 that is pretty old. I was a bit hesitant because it kinda has 4 cams and a weird split-string thing going on, but HOLY is it a great bow. It is a dang laser. The only bow I have shot that I can say is better is the Mathews TRX 40, which I also got years ago. Both are incredible. Between my two bows, the Mathews is the standout because it feels like the bow reads your mind. The arrow just goes where you want it to. I can't describe it beyond that. Any modern top brand flagship-series bow is GOING to be good. They have been making bows and competing for decades. Between Hoyt, Mathews, PSE, Prime, Bowtech and a few others, your choice should be purely on feel. How comfortable is the bow for you? How smooth does it feel? How dead in the hand is it when you shoot? Does the arrow go where you want it to? Does it feel great in your hand. Most importantly, does it feel like an extension of you? People keep arguing over which brand is the best. Year-to-year, yeah, one brand may have the best bow, but they have been passing around that honor for many years. Notably, Hoyt has probably held the "best bow" for the most number of years. However, Mathews introducing the HTR was CRAZY. That bow was NUTS and I wish I hadn't gifted mine to a friend. Bowtech has the BEST bows for anyone who likes tuning and working on their own stuff. Not just that, but Bowtech has the SMOOTHEST bows. Mathews feels the most polished without accessories and to me feels the most special, Hoyt feels powerful, and is a laser beam with tuning, Prime bows have ABSURDLY stable feel and ease of aim. YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH ANY MAJOR BRAND. Go to a good shop. Test them all. Pick the one that speaks to your soul when you shoot it. Enough of this "my brand better than your brand ooga booga" nonsense. Leave that "apple user" mentality in the city.
Shot all the bows this year. Core SS is awesome. Wasn’t a fan of the Lift. New Hoyts and Prime were awesome. Walked out with an Ethos. Incredible bow.
Loved the ethos as well, it’s up there just already had the omnia and high on a top 5 and they have all been pretty similar lately with elite so I gave some other bows the time, ended up shooting a yote through the neck at 35 yards which is a hard ass shot, held so solid, 🔥
What place would you put the elite ethos in?
Knew this was coming, honestly should have explained my position. Great bow but to similar to years past, would still take the omnia over all other elites, only can say good things about elite and what they have been doing
@@BackyardBowsthank you for the great reviews!!
I'm conflicted, I can get a great deal on a bowtech carbon one. But that PSE Mach 30 is all I think about, except the price lol! Currently shooting a Hoyt Ventum Pro which I love so probably makes more sense to go with the Alpha X
Venting pro was 💯 I would switch it up and go with what u really want the Mach 30, if your not planning on trading / selling then your looking at an amazing two bows, ventum pro/mach30
Your at number four right now and number one is the same for me alpha X30
In 2020 I bought a Bowtech Amplify and had it for 3 years. 2024 I bought a Prime Ronan omg I fell in love lol. That center grip bow is balanced correctly. My shot is 100 times better. My arrows fly 100 times better. That Prime Ronan was absolutely hands down the best choice I have ever made to switch to Prime. Only thing I can't decide on is a good quality quiver. So many makers and designs out there. I want something light weight. Prime Archery in my opinion is the way to go. My accuracy got 100 times better too.
Check Tightspot quivers.
@@blackstream8351 yes I have checked them out. Little expensive. I like G5 Quiver but wanted something mid grade price range around 80 to 90 maybe. Lightweight too. Idk I'm just being picky I guess.
Love the hat
Ive watched a ton of reviews and ive seen that hoyt has had limb issues this year too not as many as Mathews but a few and the customer service at hoyt wasnt the greatest where they were waiting 6weeks for limbs and mathews is back up and shooting same week most of the time with thier customer service being outstanding if i bought a hoyt and had a problem and lost half a deer season because of it i think id be a little more worried the fact that you said you wouldn't take a lift in the feild is wild!
I love my AlphaX it is a fantastic bow. Smooth, accurate, and will be my hunting bow for a very long time. Probably will never get rid of it. However, I shot the PSE evolve 33 with the EC2 cams and wow, that thing was a blast to shoot. I would encourage people to give it a try. It’s forgiving and has a lot of positives. Anyway, love this channel and this review. Can’t make em all happy, and in all honesty, this is your list, period. I don’t understand why people feel the need to defend their bow if it’s not for you. I don’t agree with some of your choices, but I am not going to bitch about it. And if the alpha x wasn’t in the top 5, it was for me, that’s all that matters. Can’t stand the “take these 8 limbs and love it crowd”. However that would be a great country song 😂
Best comment yet I agree 💯
Hoyt for sure took this year. Sold my lift bought a RX-8 ultra
Way to go someone else noticing Prime! As far as Mathews, if the possibility of my gear failing in the field it's staying home.
I have an elite kure right now but i sure do miss my pse xforce ss. Tiny bow but it was blazing fast lol not much forgiveness with it either
What about elite?
Love all the past 3-4 years of bows, just the ethos was so similar to some of the other elites that made the top 5 we decided to let some other companies/ bows shine, loved the ethos hunted with it last year
Subbed because of the hat alone!! You’re a smart man!
Let’s go Brandon
Have shot most of the flagships released the last few years and nothing feels good enough to justify spending $1100+ to retire the Nexus. Really wish i would have given Prime a chance like a decade ago, they shoot so damn good
Yes they do
I had a bear legit and I had problems with it from the get go. String shit out, top cam bent out of no where and it just sucked to shoot. That one put a bad taste in my mouth for bear. Went with the darton consequence and have not been disappointed yet.
Maybe just maybe You just convinced me to not go to Mach30 but learn more about AlphaX
its no mystery why Bear struggles to break into the top tier. Love your reviews and the Persist was at the top in every single category and you pick one of their price point options? That hurts their flagship market when giving their flagship model its cred elevates their entire line up. Disappointing but hey now i know where you are at too. Its like Everyone is afraid to pick Bear including you too brother. Its all good. I own the alpha and the Darton and the Persist and it most definitly should be on that list. Its quieter, as fast or faster, and as accurate as any other. The best cable guard system hands down plus the level is sweet when setting up your bow. Oh well. Good luck!
I kept mine for the season
@@BackyardBows Saw that vid too. I'm a subscriber. Just hate the flack Bear gets. Like I said own many flagships from many makers. I'm addicted and the wife says I need help. LOL!
Yep, I love my Persist, and the Execute 32 last year. They are both excellent but the Persist is just top notch, super smooth draw and fast. 277fps with 450gr arrow at 28" draw.
The persist draw cycle isn’t close to the alpha x. The dump into the back wall is worse than Mathew’s. Bears best flagship bow has been the Refine. It was smooth, fast & didn’t feel near as bulky. Refine was awesome, went downhill afterwards
@@ShaneBolerHunting I would agree the refine still stands out in my head
Rated the Lift higher then the alpha X in previous videos though 🤔
That’s how u know we give fair assessment in all reviews and give grades individually with unbiased, top five or my personal favorite is just that a preference factoring in my feild experience and hunting style, that’s what separates the actual reviews from these type of videos, there more thorough factor in a lot more, if my top five videos were the five highest grades everyone they would be totally different
It has to be broken for warranty what happens when it breaks in middle of a hunt
Honestly my only thought, don’t dislike the lift by any means but that is a hard fact and risk I’m not willing to gamble with
Primes little brother Quest bows should give the adult version a try for the money???
Such a great bow to bad they discontinued them
Hola, brandon, cual de estos utilizarias para la caza? Calidad precio? Personalmente me gusta Alaska xt y persist de oso, pero no tengo el gusto de haberlos probado, cual piensas que tiene más funcionalidad en el campo y estabilidad ? Actualmente utilizo el oso LEGHIT
First of all ur channel is amazing and I'm looking for a budget bow older split limb even in the 29 limbo to limb range moose, bear. I'm a northern bc boy
no Elite??
Always elite 😂 ethos was so similar to other elites that have made our top 5 so we showed some other bows love, omnia could be on my top 5 all time
@@BackyardBows Im shooting a whitetail legend pro, so its not like I have a dog in the fight. I was just curious if you had something against them. Im upgrading next year. My R&D team (me) is always searching for info.
Where did you buy the trump hat I need one!
And I love my Elite Energy 35
I went away from mathews 2 years ago when i my mod snapped mid draw on a massive buck in kansas. Buck of a lifetime. And i my string derailed, and i couldnt shoot. Felt helpless. Never again will i shoot a mathews. The shop cant fix your bow in the field on a trip 1800 miles from home. Just saying.
Mathew’s is 5 years ahead of on there bows. The bow they are working on now will be on the shelves in 2030
Kinda like apple phones
Still the bowtech SS34
Forever 😂
I’m going to have to do an all time favorite 5 someday
Sure they watch the reviews... I remember when PSE said a roller guide was BS back in the day.. nowdays hmmmm
I’m not trying to be a hater on your list, but to not have the Elite Ethos somewhere near the Bowtech is mind blowing to me. I would be willing to bet that if you watched other videos on UA-cam for bows of 2024, I would bet 95-99% of them would include the Ethos solely because of the tune ability let alone how it shoots….
Just my 2 cents….Only gripe I guess I had with your list….but otherwise I think you can make an argument for all on your list…. Thanks for the videos
I love input don’t ever hesitate to comment , and here is my thoughts. Ethos loved and put in the field last season, amazing bow just like the rest of elites lately, we have included elites in our top five that are so similar to the ethos that I wanted to give some other bows/companies the spotlight, hindsight I should have stated all this is the video.
AND /......drum roll please.....THE MOST PROBLEMATIC BREAKING IN HALF BOWS OF 2024.......THE MATTY BOY LIFT 33!!!!!
Have you seen any that have actually broken? All I have seen are delamination's.
And the worst draw cycle out of all the bows I shot this year! I even thought the Persist had a better draw! The Mach 30 DS had not come out yet when I chose the Alpha X 30, it's a beast,love it!
I’m buying a bowtech core ss this year because my shop will work with me on a “paper tune” but if my broadhead tuning needs work I’m 100% on my own and I don’t think I’m alone in that. Most shops aren’t taking people to the range and grouping their broadheads and field points. Also I love the feature of having the flip disk to shoot comfort mode for 3d and then flip it to performance for hunting if I want a little more speed.
Most versatile bow on the market
Where does that hat sit in ya lineup of headwear for 2024 😂
Absolutely insane that the LIFT33 is not on this list. And I shot Hoyt forever! I have 2 LIFTS…….. LIGHTER; QUIETER; FASTER and more FORGIVING than any of these AND the few limb issues THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED is a mute point!
“I can’t put a Lift on the list because there is too much cutting edge technology” lol.
Love the Trump hat.
Remember that day and age when Hoyt had terrible limb issues?…
Of course and other issues each company goes through it but that’s what so great about so many amazing options to choose from or not just shoot whatever your company offers choice gives u
Well IMOP..if money is part of the equation..then you are picking the bang for the buck...NOT the top bows...that strictly performance.
The Mathews gagging is hard in these comments 😂
There the only ones ever who care
Man I’ve always liked your channel but leaving the lift out is unbelievable to me. I’ve been bowhunting since 2001 and have owned way more Hoyt’s than Mathews thru the years . I have a lift 33 that I absolutely love. Zero issues. I had a Phase 4 33 last year with zero issues. The lift riser is my favorite part of the bow! It aims incredible!!
1st!
Crazy justification to not put Mathews in the top 5. "its hard to maintain the No.1 spot" "they are too innovative" "take a step back, the risers are too much" Yes I can understand the worry that 3% of the bows may have limb issues. You of course do not want to get seriously hurt or hear of someone getting hurt. But come on. I on the contrary think they need to be even more innovative. I shoot a Vertix and all the bows since the Triax are pretty much the same bow with various ATA sizes and some minor new tech.. Every other company has been jocky-ing to be the number 2 behind Mathews for the last 30 years and until they also do something wildly innovative, it will stay that way.
I disagree I think there have been several bows since the halons that I would choose over a Mathew’s any day, Mathew’s capitalized the marketing game and until just recently has felt some pressure from some of these other companies, I can’t even count how many hunters and archers have come into the shop and bought something other than Mathew’s for
The first time ever, again I love Mathew’s always have and always will, but the reality is people are starting to venture out and realize the endless options of amazing equipment out there. Mathew’s feels the heat or they wouldn’t have switched out the limbs and the Limb pockets and axle placement, it still seems all a little much to me. The 8 limbs will not last it was a marketing scheme.
Love your list except for the bear. Matthews sucks! Hoyt for the win!!!
I think you are fair with 95% of the bows but I think Mathews hater I guaranteed it will still have the same limbs 10 yrs from now
Far from a Mathew’s hater just cause I don’t love everything they put out, I have a v3x I’ll prolly never let go, hard to absolutely love everything one company puts out
Imagine shooting the same bow since 2009. String replacements, sight and rest swaps and being super happy. Now imagine you buy a new bow with high expectations and find yourself utterly disappointed that new technology has not made these pieces of equipment that much better. Now imagine the bow you bought is "made in America" but then they added a shitty hat thats made in china in the box and it doesn't even fit an adult sized head. It actually looks like something you pulled out of a box you found in some abandoned mobile home park, bill all loppy, like something some asian tourist would be wearing.👎
I literally own a Matthew's Z7 and a Z7 extreme I just can't part with them and upgrade
I’m a Bowtech guy, and I have to tell ya, you have lost your damn mind by leaving the lift out!!!
Plenty of comments here making sense, something you’ve lost. 😂
I mean i am no Mathews fan by any means, but you afraid of limbs blowing and you shooting an Mach34? Ok…..
Well I did like your channel until u said hoyt was the best… and respectfully out of all the bows and companies out there I dont think they come even close to what the other companies are doing. Personally wuite frankly i feel like they have tajen a back seat ever since they cane out with the carbon bows and the outrageous money they cost at that time. There a lot more companies out there that have more features more and new tech on their bows than any of the hoyts…did hoyt bias u in some way???? Because based on all of them out there i dont think hoyt is barely in the top five anymore.
😂 best part about all of this is we all have different feels, taste, and OPINION. And no I give it to ya how I see no company has a hand in my pocket and never will.
@@BackyardBows I’m a lift shooter but I agreed with Hoyt at #1 for all around great shooting, great feeling and built to last. Not a fan boy of any company but Hoyt is as solid as it gets with no compromises except for price. I wanted a lighter bow with a longer ata and was between rx8 ultra and the lift 33. In the end price and speed at my draw length pushed my to the lift. Good review!
Hahahaha When Mathews isn’t the top bow you lose your credibility 😂
This is my favorite comment yet
@@BackyardBowsI mean it’s a sub 4lb aluminum bow. It’s above and beyond class of the other bows and absolutely drives tacks. I haven’t had any issues and did a hunt in Illinois with it and taking it to Colorado on a elk hunt, Utah on a mule deer hunt this year and Maine on a bear hunt and not even flinching about the limb issue. It’s so small of a issue that everyone is making big 🤣
Sound like a hoyt fan boy hating on mathews
Dam that hurts 😂
@@BackyardBows 🤣🤣🤣🤣
funny, top 5 to 10 bows, except bear and bowtec they made the top 5. and no hardly any mathews limbs failed, its reports mostly from hoyr fans.1 lift, 2 ss, 3 elite, 4 sr 5 alskan. imagine any company selling the amount off bows in a year mathews sold, then a rew bows out off a million bows had a fail. hoyt have limb failure rates per bow sold higher, bowtec not many since they make their own after the issue, bear ouch, elite and pse to consistant will never buy, prime, good company havent seen their faliur reports yet. fun 1 pootube fake claim makes you rank a bow low without looking into all companies. want to make a bow splinter a limb (its not a failure) nick it a 1/16 with a broadhead then draw it back, very easy to start fake bullshit
A company like Mathew’s would never address a fake issue in the matter at which they did. What wrong with saying there is a problem where there is a problem.
Lift have to much limb problems,stay away