Hot Rod LQ9 Cam Swap - Engine Power S8, E21
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Our GM LQ9 engine needs the right ingredients to turn it into a spicy hot rod street bullet.
0:00 - Intro
01:10 - Power Torque Remanufactured Engines
05:46 - LQ9 Stock Build & Baseline Dyno
10:19 - LQ9 Cam Swap
16:20 - Upgraded LQ9 On The Dyno
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O'Reilly Auto Parts: OEM Replacement Parts: Spark Plug Wires, Coil Packs, Spark Plugs, Sensors, Harmonic Balancers, Oil Filters, Oil, etc.
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ARP: ARP Header Studs
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Anyone else ever timed one of these episodes to see how much of it is an ad?
You would be amazed.
About 33% of the show is spent on ad time so that they can pay for the show
It’s weird, I didn’t get any ads on it today
The whole video is an ad for something, thats how tv shows work...
Long wood dowels work good for holding the lifters up while changing the cam.
Steel fuel line
Heck yeah 🤘 I am building an LQ9 right now
The ls is a incredible engine.
Now my Sunday morning can start, coffee and engine power.... thanks guys, love your content and bad dad jokes
I just did a cam swap on an LS but didn't have to remove oil pump or oil pan. But on an LS with a double roller timing set I did have to remove the oil pump to cam swap.
16:35 You guys have been the only series that continuously shows oil pump shimming. 👍
I ain't never even heard of it. maybe that's why I keep blowing up my Subarus.
@@kidsythe Maybe, does your machine shop deck plate and align hone your block?
@@Sir.VicsMasher 👀 I use feeler gauge and a straight edge to check for flat. the straight edge was made flat by the machine shop to a low tolerance. 👀 but will that cause oiling issues?
I thought they meant “actually turning the motor over” as in upside down, which would keep those lifters in their bores and out of the way.
that would actually work as well
Steven, I had the exact same thought. He should have said to rotate the crankshaft, my opinion. Like Austin said, turning engine upside down would work and you would want to completely drain all of the engine oil as well. Still risky either way, but a big payoff for time saving if it works. Thanx for the post.
@@kevinknight470 ua-cam.com/video/j74MxGo7GfU/v-deo.html
I was thinking the exact same thing. should work just fine if you had that option to do so like they did here but didn’t do.
Hey guys, what they should have done is stuck 5/16” rods into the oil galleys and that would be impossible for the lifters to fall out and only takes about 5 seconds. However they were quietly confident the new lifter trays would hold the lifters from falling.
These guys are cool I like all the extra pens they keep in there shirt pocket
Very cool build and video!
Well I am currently building an LQ9 so this video was nice to watch.
Same here I’m building mine with the same mod but with different brand parts and LQ4 iron heads for demolition derby
There was no need to pull the oil pump, I’ve done several of these swaps, just unbolt the cam gear , let it drop then remove the chain , rebolt the cam gear , spin the cam the quickly remove and install new cam
I agree with you I have always done it your way. Time is money
I thought the same thing unless the changed the chain and needed to change the lower sprocket.
You need to take the pump off to dial the cam timing. Were your engine's running roughly that's why
@@andrewgoodfellow2039 it’s a non adjustable gear
We didn't see the bottom pulley go back on ,if it's adjustable the oil pump would have to come off. If it is not adjustable then your right the pump wouldn't have to come off
What I find most impressive with these engines is they make all that power with total timing only in the 20's range! Old style small block Chevys always need 34-36 degrees total timing.
Thats because the combustion chambers are very efficient
The Lq9 is probably the most gnarliest, bad ass powerplant. I had one in my sierra and it took tons of abuse.
They're absolutely bulletproof, built off of an absolute work horse of an engine (the LQ4) but with higher compression they're literally asking to be built and abused
So you guys are telling me that I should play with mine more?? Haha!
I only put a small 550 lift Texas speed cam in mine. Still have to work on tuning it.
@@davidellyson8815 550 is a good size. You should look into a set of prc225 heads. Or ported set of 243s. Look up Richard holdener he breaks down ways to make power thru cams and heads.
It was in my plow truck and it had a shit ton of hard hours on it. I live up in the northeast and we had quite a lot of blizzards and Nor'easters.....and this truck just powered straight on thru.
Mines about to turn over a half million k, breakin records
I like this job... Well done...
I am just going to say nice job guys.
I needed that engine in my '93 Silverado. I'd've been happy with it Stock.
I'm about 2 weeks away from my dyno day and I cant wait!!! Gotta lq9, tsp torquer V4 cam, mahle power pak forged pistons, ported and polished 799 heads, .650 lift dual springs, trunion kit, dorman ls3 intake. I'm sure I'm forgetting something. It's going in a 350Z
planning to do this with my g35
Pat is the man!!!
Enjoyed!!!!! 👍👍
Awesome build. CNC Port those cathedral-port heads for some easy power!!!!!!!! 👌👌👌👍👍👍💯💯
I'll have to use this episode for future ideas. I have an '05 LQ4 sitting in storage waiting for me to go through it and drop into a '68 C10 longbed.
Git 'er done, Bobby!!
Robert if it’s an 05 it’s a lq9
Try several (16) telescoping pocket magnets to hold the lifters in place. I'm sure Pat has enough in his pocket...
Good stuff
Great idea!
I'm going to be putting a LQ9 motor in my 1989 c4 corvette to replace the sluggish L98. I hope to get 500hp with the right modifications out of it.
Good Vid
Old friend of mine builds these right out of the junkyard, new cam, intake and carb that makes 540hp on 89 octane. Not bad for under $2000
Right.🤔
…with a warranty?
@@martinthompson2425 Over 200 runs in a season and only changes the oil and spark plugs a few times. Runs mid 10s in a 3000lb 64 Nova
I doubt it without nitrous
2000 plus the cost of junkyard engine
would love to see you guys to do a 20r/22r
Engine power is my favorite ASMR
I would like to see Engine Power put some power adders on late model Ram 2500/3500 6.4L Hemis.
I love how they had it at 22°timing with a stock cam, and add a +4timing cam and advance it to 28° and than say it make +92Hp
Yes I wish they mentioned that, just putting a 93 octane tune on an LQ9 will pick up 40 hp with a stock cam still
Great episode
I agree!
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That thing would be awesome in my 77 Suburban... My 400sbc is getting a lil tired 😫
Lol man I wonder what he saw when he looked at the cam bearings to make him say “get it back in there” haha
The lifters trying to fall in the block.
I thought the pie joke was pretty good. Made me chuckle a little. It's been one of those days and a little humor is good.👍
Amen, Jerry!
It's an old joke from Hee Haw or The Electric Company. (Showing my age...)
Spirit of 76 I understand the age part because I remember when at the Barber Shop my dad, brother, & I went to, he also was our black & white TV repairman, my dad would give me a nickel so I could get a nehi grape from the crank drink box. That was a real treat. Hot Rods were jacked up in front back then also. Thankfully by the time I got my driver's license that practice had reversed to the big meats we put out back would clear the fenders. I made a few good cheap rides ride like a log wagon which I wouldn't do now but man the only thing cooler than a pair of N 50's out back was if you could roast them and I won't go into the story's. I hate it that the smarty-pants investors caused the cool cars to go through the roof $$$ but then, I reckon that's why there's so many of them still stashed because there worth too much to end up at the junkyard and the crusher. I could tell about the time when an acquaintance of mine his dad stole a 392 hemi from me, I best stop because, not enough space and time here. We were blessed to live in an age that we got to experience such fine machines. ?🤔? Now what am I going to put that 454 into?🤔? 😆 Maybe a simple 😎 T-Bucket. If ya gotum, smokeum 😆👍
@@jerryhayden8720 If you were born in the 60s, 1960s cars were just 20 year old used cars in the high school 1980s. Great time to be into cars. Lots of cool tin for a couple grande, or even less. Wheels, fat tires, cams, carbs, dual exhaust, and stereos. That's all that most of us did to them, if that. And most of us want our high school cars back if we could get our hands on them.
@@Spiritof_76 1957 so not a lot later. Like I said I can remember seeing a car occasionally that had the frontend up higher than the rear end. We were lucky to live in this era.👍
Just FYI the "proper" way to do the cam swap is with pulling the oil pump. However; it isn't required, just gotta get fancy with getting the gears back lined up
I was very impressed with your backyard build. And ended up with you, ended up with in horses power. That350 would blow this LS out of the water!!! Great job guys. Keep it up.😁
No
@@baby-sharkgto4902ot would of been better if they had 243 cathedral heads or rec port ls3 heads
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm going to watch this a few times at work wonder how much does does that cost
I had one in my 03 Silverado SS and in my wife’s Escalade. The more load you place on that engine, the angrier it gets!
you should try building a 2.0t ecotec b207r. or the older 2.3l B235R both engines are abundant an cheap. they used them in multiple platforms an have forced induction or good displacement. looking at its stats a bigger cam with more boost should easily add 100 hp to either engine.
61 cubic inches in a liter time is 6.0 that’s amazing power on carburetor that means 500hp all day with fuel injection and ported heads with 95mm throttle body.
That "cylinder head on the engine" valve spring changing tool is just about the niftiest tool I have ever seen!
Stick 5/16 wood dowels down the oil galleys to hold the lifters up in place.
For safety😆
Turn the entire engine upside down.
And if the dowel or dowel(s) happen to break off.....you really gonna lose your shit then.
@@p.b.sHUNTING if the dowels broke off then either A: the person doing the job is an idiot and shouldn't be doing said job or B: theres much bigger problems in the oil galleys since a 5/16 dowel is not a tight fit. It's just enough to hold the lifters up. Been doing it that way for over 15 years. Relighing on a lifter tray to hold the lifters up is just stupid.
@@backyardgarage relying... 🤦
It's about time you guys started using O'Reilly auto parts!
Buenos videos Saludos
You can use rods to make sure the lifters don't fall.
Was looking at a Blue Streak (by Standard) coil pack for my 4.0L Jeep, so you might've just sold me on one....
Hey guys when are you going to do a ford 7.3L Godzilla motor. Would love to see it tore down and rebuilt with a power adder🤟
Check out revan evans channel. He has a ton of info and some hotter builds. They are a bigger badder version of an ls
Impressive
How many richard holder guys immediately recognized the that cam just from the specs as the 459 cam lol.
Im excited to see the new ford 7.3 v8 come into mass availability to have another bad ass factory race engine platform on the market
Mass availability? How? Its only in HD trucks? Itll less available then current Hemi's.
Unfortunately you'll never see those on the cheap and plentiful like ls motors
I need your orileys around me...every orileys store I've been to can't even order stock parts or a cam bearing removal tool 🤦♂️
That’s a solid combo right there. Would love to put this in my s10. Those 317 heads hurt the power though. L92 or Ls3 heads would have been it.
I'm looking for one to put in my 96
@@jpharmon7343 yes it’ll definitely push an s10 down the road pretty good. I have a 98 with a 1st gen sbc 350 and vortec heads. It’s runs pretty decent but that 6.0 is the superior engine. One day I’d like to swap one in.
If ur making 100hp with a cam swap, the heads ain't hurting power lol
@@romper4444 a L92 or Ls3 head would make more power. Even a ported cathedral will make more power. Will it be worth the money is up to the individual. But the fact still remains more power is to be had with the other heads.
@@thabiznizz sure u can always make more power, but why, defeats the whole purpose of this engine, 100hp with a cam and some bolt ons, why would u bother. The stock heads have airflow to support 500hp, my point was the heads are not a restriction and not hurting power production like smogger engines where's it's absolutely necessary to swap heads. 👍
never seen you guys do a higher-end build with fuel injection as we do on the streets. something like a tbss swap to see the difference between your carb/throttle body setup and stock truck or car intakes.
3/16 - 5/16 dowels are good to make sure the lifters stay up in the trays. i use wood ones so that way they don't damage a lifter if I bump into one of them.
good video though.
They've done a few. You just have to look
@@vegeto186 ive seen the basic ones where it's a carb intake and a stock truck or car. what they haven't done is compare a bunch of them and show the difference between power, cost, and tuning time.
Richard holdener is your guy for those comparisons.
@@akinajj1 I partake in his videos too. Can't go wrong with more people doing more testing.
Comp Cams really should have made their shaft rocker setup adjustable
Graphite head gaskets....what other parts did they cheap out on?!
I need that one
I'm always excited (at first) when I see these videos until I get to the part where you bolt a toilet on top of it. Lets see a LQ9 build with a Holley Terminator LS MPFI Kit. Now that's worth watching.
@Bootstrps I agree! Bolt even the FACTORY TRUCK fuel injection manifold on it and watch the numbers and power curve improve!
They used the carb because it makes more power than fuel injection. Every single time.
@@realazliving I would be interested to see evidence of that, as the tests I have seen run the lowest performing FI ( the ls1) intake was on par with the highest performing single plane carb manifold.
@@jefflee8924 that has never happened ever. It’s against the rules of physics. FI is more able to adapt to different conditions without help. That’s why it is popular. You take a decent hit on horsepower to use it though. The atomization of fuel is worse, and there’s no cooling of the charge. Yes, it is easier to ignore. No, it is not as powerful.
@@realazliving ua-cam.com/video/6Ejbwy0srmY/v-deo.htmlsi=w-7lY0cD0fMO8bfT
The carb stuff starts around the 19:50 mark. Keep in mind the FI intake (the ls1) being used is the lowest performing FI manifold of all. The beginning of the video will show the comparisons between the factory FI intakes.
In 2024 that long block from Oriellys is 10k after tax. That's not including the additional 3k+ in parts added. For that price I can easily buy a complete 650HP+ drop in.
SHEEEEEEW BUDDY, I'd buy that for a dollar ! ! !
Holy smokes it has more HP stock than most of your performance builds.
You should build a 22r Toyota engine!!
Did you upgrade the lifters when you upgraded the camshaft and springs? I am working on a LS3 engine and installing a camshaft kit. I am also thinking about upgrading the lifters as well.
They would have had to disassemble the engine to do it, so no, they didnt.
Price range for the long block and
finishing pieces probably in the 16k
range, for that price I've seen turn key 572 big block Chevy with 600hp
on GMs web site.
If you look at the parts list it’s under 10K with the mods
Can you all do the toyota 4.7 DOHC, came in the 2005-07 4 runners. Belt drivven, they are solid motors, ultra reliable. Just curious what kind of power you can get out of it.
Can you make the torque / horsepower curves cross at the correct RPM on the intro?
Those are the best spark plugs.
That's a big lift cam for an lq9. Was it remand with oem flat top pistons due to piston to valve clearance issues it is known for? If so I may re think my .570 lift max for my 05 sierra denali and go with a larger cam.
I think the cam they use is pretty maxed out. .600 or just over should work from my research if I remember correctly. Duration plays a factor also I believe.
Is there a cam, that allows the 6.0 to get improved milage during normal driving and decent/ monster power gains above 3500rpm? 4200 pound dd truck.
You also changed valve seals.
Do remanufactured engines need break in oil or any break in time?
the only thing I do not like about this show is how many people do you actually know that can afford all these parts.
I'd like to see an LQ4/LQ9 with a BTR "Truck Norris" cam & Trick Flow 255 heads on the dyno. Just curious about that combination for a daily use SUV or truck.
A lot less. Its very small cam compared to this compared to the comp they ran in the video. Maybe 410-420hp. My guess.
Those heads would be to big for that ci motor and cam and I believe TFS255s are ls3 rectangle port. Truck Norris would be good with 220 or 225 heads or some ported 243s. TFS has a kit with their 225 heads that make 500+ hp. Look up Richard holdener trick flow 225 vs ls3 head comparison you might find that video informational.
great video how do i get a job like this
Think Pat could use some more pens in his pocket
I grabbed my 4.0 for my cherokee from orieley because of the 3 year unlimited mileage warranty.
Out of box carb, what is A/F ratio. Motor sounds healthy.
Too bad Canada doesn’t have an O’Reilly Auto Parts store. We have to order performance parts from a Speed Shop or from my favourite online store, Summit Racing.
26 degrees is a lot of timing. Hope you are monitoring the knock sensors.
Not with a carb and MSD, but that timing number is way safe in the dyno cell.
with that cam, the heads are the limiting factor. I bet if the performance cam intake had been symmetrical with the exhaust at 239dg each @.050 with the existing lift and a cnc'ed stock head or aftermarket head had been used, it would have gone 505-510 hp at 6300.
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I noticed that the painted screws and bolts are flaking and chipping away all over the motor. They did a close up when installing the intake manifold and there was plenty of flakes everywhere. I'm surprised they didn't catch that.
It’s not painted for cosmetics. It is quickly dabbed on there during the reman process to note that the bolts are torqued.
If they noticed it they won't say anything by shittng on one of their sponsors
Y’all should upgrade a 4.7 magnum
I've done a cam swap on a LS3 and no need to remove the oil pump.
@Big Bore Racing minor ampunt was left, couldn't get the degree wheel in the engine bay. My buddy was happy with the results, more than he had and professionally tuned.
@Big Bore Racing no, my comment was that the engine is in a camaro, 6.2L. Not sure where you got the assumption I was working on a truck engine, such as the 4.8 or 5.3 but cool story l guess.
@Big Bore Racing he paid nothing to have it done, his friends all helped and the tune was next to nothing. Nobody wants to have work done by somebody who is being cocky, that isn't a good business model, maybe you should go learn how to do that first. However to stay on topic here, my original comment stands, you don't need to remove the oil pump to change a cam in the engine shown in the video, why you decided to go off on a tangent is beyond me. Glad you are a certified youtube mechanic.
Definitely could have pulled more power from the stock lq9 with more than 20 timing.
This is exactly what I am using / doing with my LS swap, cammed LQ9 however, I am going fuel injection. I am curious as to what this motor would have done FI. Thanks.
Same overall power, except fuel injection might give you better fuel economy and throttle response
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@@mikejohnson699 Very good, thanks.
@@mikejohnson699 I'm not sure that's true, considering they didn't attempt to custom jet the carb. EFI would allow a perfect mixture under full throttle, and usually results in power gains at the expense of increased cost and complexity. A carb is almost always a compromise on power, drivability and fuel economy.
@@PlugInRides Yes, I can agree. This was neat simply because I am doing the very same "upgrades" on mine after a lot of do-diligence. Going in an 83 Camaro with 4L65E. Course, kinda on hold because it is 23 degrees outside, AND in my building. Thank God for global warming.
So when I did the cam swap no issues with the motor but I used LS7 lifters first and I used new trunion upgrade from Michigan Motorsports. I found 2 collapsed lifters so I too all the LS7 lifters out and went to stock Melling lifters but ever since the cam I get weird tick but it’s all the rocker arms. Does anyone else have this issue? 6.0 LQ4 , Truck Norris Cam, Stock pushrods, trunion upgrade stock lifters.
Couldn't you put 8 magnets down the pushrod holes to hold lifters in place just a thought
Yes and you mean 16 magnets.Have done it before
I don't know what engine to put in my project car. Nova sedan motor budget 5k under and big block. Nothing crazy, daily driver, but do want some power.
Why only 28 degrees timing , thought 35 or 36 would be max , thank you .
Haven’t read the comments yet but if I use my stock truck intake manifold, would I get the same results?
Probably better. Check out Richard Holdners videos and engine masters
How is that comp cam spray stuff?
That would be a 480 hp engine once ran in nice
I love the
Single plane intake would've been a better performer
The long block alone is $9050, from O'Reilly's. This is not a cheap build!
Not sure where you got that. Based off the part number they gave it’s around $3500 for the long block
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Maybe this one is new, and not remanufactured?
@@PlugInRides That one you are talking about is a 550 hp LQ4 that Power Torque makes with aftermarket heads and cam already installed. They used a stock remanufactured LQ9 for their project.
I wonder if I could order a engine with extra ring gap?🤔🤷♂️🤣
Can you drop that into my 2015 tacoma??
Isn't there a dowel trick to keep the lifters from falling?
Yes. Use steel fuel lines or copper lines/rods
What did they on the flywheel after they put the flywheel on
The drive plate for the dyno
The links doesn’t take me to the parts used
Port the heads n see what it do