FTdx-10 VS FT-710 Shootout
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Let's compare these two radios and see which one suits you better. If you are interested in purchasing either of these review radios, please shoot me an email with a price offer. Either will be shipped through my Ham business with just a few hours on each radio. I'm good on QRZ.
This man makes fantastic comparisons and real tests. Congrats Bob
Thank you! I'm not the first guy ripping open the box. I try to do a detailed and fair comparison. I have to buy these radios too- and then sell them at a loss. I do it because I own Ham radio so much. Let's keep this thing going folks!
I just bought the FT-710 today. Haven't even opened the box yet. I saved a few bucs and bought a couple of goodies with that money. Desk mic, antenna tuner, a power supply, and some PL-259 connectors. I can't wait to open this stuff tomorrow morning. I just got my General upgrade and have a borrowed Kenwood 570 D. This thing has been giving me fits so I'm hoping something MUCH newer will solve all the issues I've been having - like bad audio reports. Thanks for a great comparison video.
T- You'll need to set the AMC at 100 to start. Then use headphones on the 570 and listen to yourself on the 710 transmitting in SSB. (set power level to 10 watts or so for the next stages) .There are two sets of TX audio EQ's. One for compressor on and one for off. Each of the three frequency settings (bass to treble) has a center frequency, level and bandwidth. Set the freqs at 200, 800 and 2100. The BW settings- leave where they are (non-critical). Then adjust the level on each frequency are while listening to yourself. You'll know when it sounds best. With compressor on, set the compressor level low... not a lot. Then do your low to high EQ level settings (the ones for compressor ON). Adjust to full power out and then check your ALC meter and adjust the mic level so that the ALC is right in it's correct range on peaks. Done
Bob does the best of the best comparisons. I have had both and strongly prefer the 710 due to control layout and the speaker arrangement. The 710 also has 1 kc tuning adjust by tapping the frequency on the screen kind of like the icom 7300.
Sir, you have had both, is it true what the man says that the 10 has a better sharper Display? Very strange
I have to say I did not notice a difference but I never had them side by side, the 710 is for sure sharp. Also you can tap the freq. on the screen to activate 1 kc tuning so that is a game changer vs dual rings. I do not have the 10 any longer so not sure but I do not believe it does this...@@shonniebhida
I've had the 10 and bought the 710 a few weeks ago. Sent the 710 back and ordering the FTDX10.
Thank you for another wonderful comparison !!
Excellent job, Bob. What a professional video. Suspect we crossed paths back when at TI. 73, de AF5B Dave Austin
I prefer the 10's audio over the 710 for my older ears and the damage done to them in the years spent working at power plants.Thanks for the review, I was wondering which I should be looking at, I think the 10 is the way to go for me.
Anthony- If you decide the 710 would fit the bill (as there is little difference in these radios), shoot me an email. I'm selling both (so I can buy the next review radio). The 10 has a sale pending. The 710 was only out of the box to do the review. All system checked and working. No tax and the lowest price on a new one you'll ever find. I'm good on QRZ.
@@robertnagy2163 I appreciate the offer but can't swing it at this time. 73, Tony
@@robertnagy2163how much for the ftdx 10
Nicely done. Great camera work and editing.
One reason you didn’t hear as much high frequency audio with the FTdx10 is that you had the 3kHz roofing filter selected. The 3kHz roofing filter will limit the high frequency response. Being a direct sampling receiver, the FT-710 AESS has no roofing filters, to perform some heavy lifting ahead of the FPGA and DSP stages. The FT-710 must rely completely on DSP to narrow the passband.
Maybe they were equal, or at factory default, with both radios, but the 3-band RX EQ could also factor in where comparing RX audio.
I like using the multi-function DSP knob on the FT-710 AESS for changing frequency in 5kHz increments. With the FTdx10, you can change frequency in 1kHz increments by tapping the kHz portion of the frequency readout and rotating the VFO knob. The radios also allow you to use an onscreen keypad for direct entry of frequency. Tap the rightmost area of the frequency readout to get the keypad to pop up.
My experience is also that the FT-710 AESS RX audio sounds better than the FTdx10 with the FTdx10 using only its internal speaker. But, add the SP-30 to the FTdx10 and it wins the audio comparison hands down.
73, de N4HNH
Thank you for this excellent info!
Thank you, I needed this.
73s from KD7CKT Flagstaff
Robert, this is one of the best radio comparison videos I have ever seen, please keep up the good work. 😀😀
Regards
Dave.
Dave- Thank You! I'm not the first guy opening the box, but I try to be very complete in my analysis. If it's good, I'll tell you....and if not, I'll tell you. Best 73's
Your video led me to placing an order for my new radio. It’s the FTDX10. Thank you for the video.
It is by far the better radio...
A very good analysis. Thank you.
Ooh, I like that treble on the 710.
It's clearly a better-sounding receiver...
Great video Bob I watch all your shootout videos by the way did you notice any Extreme fan noise from the FT710 ? Because one of the other guys who did a review on UA-cam and his was the only 1 I saw said the fan noise was bothesome even when just receiving on the FT710
Roy- No, I did notice any objectionable fan noise. Maybe I never got it to maximum heat though. It is a smaller than the 10- so it is likely that it would have more fan noise- as the case and chassis won't dissipate the final Amp's heat as well.
Excellent video!
Bob,
Thanks again for a great review.
I have had the FT DX-10 for a while now and love it.
The outer tuning dial is great for fast tuning, as you related but using the mouse is the fastest.
My opinion is that most radios have terrible internal speakers, hence way would they all have external speaker jacks. I have many external speakers to choose from but the Phenomena or the Palstar sound the best. I think a better speaker would defeat your argument for the 710 having more treble.
The big compliant with the DX10, was the 3-second time to make your BAND OR MODE selection. At Zenia, a Yaesu guy showed me that you can use the outer dial to extend the selection time, which won't help if the 710 has this issue - unless it's solved by a software update.
Nice try in attempting to explain why Yaesu came out with this radio. The only explanation that makes sense to me, is that after seeing Icom sell 20,000 to 30,000 7300's, they decided that they needed a head to head competitor!
You didn't mention whether the 710 can be navigated by a mouse, which is a nice feature and keeps your screen clean. Too bad they didn't program the scroll wheel to do fine tuning.
The buttons on the DX10 are too close, allowing you to easily hit the main tuning dial and get yourself off frequency during a QSO - so I use the lock button more often than not.
The menu for using the saved memory functions, such as the voice keyer, etc. covers up the screen when used. I discovered that this is not a problem if you use the remote control (FH-2). Just don't send Yaseau $100 for it, Aliexpress or Banggood offer the same thing for $20 - or make it yourself!
I wonder if the 710 has problems with nearby station overloads like the 7300?
Well that's all I can think of the moment, hope that you have a good experience, Yaseau what a radio!
Would a good quality headphone help with the dx-10?
This is a major issue for me but I really like them both.
Tnx for your video, great Job !
Is this correct 2nd opinion, wanted? that the Display in the 10 is crisper better than the 710.
lol ya got me on the intro i was like wt.... thot this was ham radio ? too funny
Very well presented buddy and helped me a bunch,have a subscribe..cheers👍
Is it worth the extra for the dx10 DNR , or if there is not much in it I will get the 710. this is what it will come down to for my choice thanks.
Had the FTDX10 and sold it. The ergonomics are crap. Made for Japanese hands not European size hands. The out ring was useless and got constantly bumped. The Band button is awkwardly placed trapped between the dial and the multi-function knob. The 710 addresses a lot of these issue but I'm done with Yaesu. The IC7300 is a better radio and when ICOM update it, that will be my next purchase. I don't base my buying decisions on the Sherwood numbers!!! Thanks for the comparison video.
What you are actually saying is the 7300 is an inferior radio.
@@Larry-AK0Z No, the 7300 has better ergonomics, layout of the Display, knobs and buttons. It has a far superior menu system which is easy to navigate and actually use. The difference in "software" noise reduction is mostly negligible for me.
Let face facts, the IC-7300 has been the most disruptive force Ham radio has seen. At least in my life time. A true "Game Changer"
In my opinion, DX10 has much better ergonomics than 710, the separate knobs for shift/width/notch/... also the outer dial, this is much better than selecting the DSP function from a menu..
Nice review.
Muy bueno me ha encantado , saludos
Can you use both speakers on the ftdx-10 like you can on the ft-710
No
first always about the looks....FT710 is crap, too small and too much functions often under 2sec press or are inside the menu.
Another thing, we cant compare the receive quality because of changing the bandwidth and saying the FT710 is more clear in audio then the FTDX10.
Ofcourse the RX/EQ and the inside speakers or external speaker are different.
For the less money the FT710 is and what we clearly can see different then the ftdx10.
For me the FTDX10 wins, the FT710 is great for the $ and esspecially fielddays,qrp,mobile use.
Its just too small, playing around with knobs and functions is much better with the FTdx10.
Different between the RX....sooooo less.
by the way great video...thx
73s Sascha PF9Z
The FTdx-10 is a superior radio, but indeed the 710 does pass more RX audio information under 150 hz and over 3khz. It is inherent in the direct sampling design. The IC-7300 also passes a flatter audio RX passband than the 10 or 101D/MP.
@@robertnagy2163 indeed Robert
Easily $300 of value DX10 over 710 in my jurisdiction so kinda no brainer
The carry handle is NOT included. You must have got a demo model or a loaner. Page 8 lists included accessories and it’s not one of them.
Ahh! Well, somehow I got one!
those screw holes are for the screws that hold the speaker on, not for some handle - but you could add one I suppose -
@@BartVanAllen OK, did not see that option on the speaker cabinet.
Nice video. Thank you! One comment and one suggestion. I wanted to get maximum impression from your video and I watched it with pretty good JVC headphones and I hear noticeable 60 Hz hum from you microphone. I attached the audio spectrum of your video: ua-cam.com/video/RWFKtGQl6Ow/v-deo.html I use FT991a in my shack and I noticed that audio from speaker and even from headphones is "quite poor" - there's weak hiss, it's weak to be noticed, but once you notice it it becomes irritating, especially in long listening sessions. I found that when I pass audio via 991a's USB audio interface to PC then route it to headphones, then yaesu's hissing final audio is eliminated and sound is perfect. IMHO it could help to record comparison videos (also using RF antenna splitter and simultaneous recording). 73! Zilvis LY2SS
Indeed I had 60hz hum on part of the audio in the video. I traced it down and eliminated it eventually. As most people listen with laptop speakers, I let it ride this time. And yes, there is always some hiss in the radio's audio amp chip. USB audio out is a great idea for comparisons. People do though use the radio's internal speakers the vast majority of the time. The only real difference in these radio's is that the 710 has a flatter rx audio pass band. It is obvious whichever way you listen to it. Thanks for the tips!
I have an FTDX10 and I was using a lower end Sennheiser headphone with it. I heard that annoying buzz/hiss/whatever, too, even with the volume turned all the way down. I just got a new Radiosport headset/boom mic and it is night and day difference. No hiss or noise whatsoever. I'm not sure what the difference is, but I am sure you don't need a headset as expensive as mine was to mitigate that. I operate 90% portable so I need to use headphones. Also, I was having problems with the hand-mic that came with the radio. There was a bad connection in the jack, I think. So many warts with this radio, but I'm still amazed by it. My IC705 is far more polished but pulling out weak CW signals in a crowded band it is not in the same league as the Yaesu.
If there QRN like living next to an FM/AM transmitter or contesting on a field day, ft710 is literally useless
Yes, I keep Broadcast filters for use if I am next to a high-power AM station
the noise blanker on the dx10 is garbage , any higher than 4 - 5 it distorts the audio and anything below doesnt do much , a 1970/80s cb radio NB is miles better
FT-710 not CW decoder😞😞😭😭😭
Correcto!
EXCELLENT VIDEO!! This is the type of Comparison and Review that I personally enjoy to see and hear. It is particularly helpfull when a Ham Hobbyist is considering making an " Investment or Purchase" of a New Radio.
Thanks Carey. I'm not out there to be the first to review a radio. I want to do a in-depth and honest evaluation from a Hams prospective.
One major difference is power consumption, the ftdx10 uses 30% more power over the Ft710. Very important consideration when operating portable. It appears a lot of power is lost around the screen area it gets warm when you’re just listening
60% more RX current draw according to my meters!
The two radios each occupy a different niche and are Yaesu's effort to refresh the technology in their HF line. The FTdx-101 replaced the FTdx-5000. The FTdx-10 is the replacement for the FTdx-3000. The FTdx-710 replaced the FTdx-1200. All three older radios were based on technology more than a decade old.
Some would argue that the 710 is the new 450d given its size and weight.
Interesting comparison - I had the 10 and it lead to the 101. Unless I wanted a smaller radio for some reason, I’d spend a couple more tanks of gas for the dx10. The dx10 is only one tick away from ftdx101 / ftdx5000 performance.
Depends what you want it for. I own the FTDX5000MP and am thinking about adding a FT710 to the shack purely for digital modes.
I received my FTDX-10 a few weeks ago. It did not come with a carry handle. Not a big deal...very nice radio.
This is the best review I’ve seen between these 2 radios. I’m really torn because they’re so close in features. I’ve seen the 7610 mentioned quite a bit in the comments and there’s no comparison as it’s twice the price of the 10 & 3 times the price of the 710 at todays prices, HRO is giving some deep discounts right now.
POTA is my main reason for this purchase. The 710 seems to have a slight edge over the 10 for this purpose. For me it really boils down to which is going to sound better with a headset as I would probably use it 95% of the time.
It's the 710 then....
I bought the "Field" version of the 710 (I mainly use headphones) as it was on sale from HRO at Pacificon this year (2023) - and you can always add a speaker (Yaesu's or some other) later for the aess effect, if you want. I'm thinking about rigging some way to send aess audio to headphones, just to hear if it helps in some way. Maybe later...
And which headset are you going to use?
Do one or both of these send and recieve CW AUTOMAGICALLY?! That would be huge while I’m learning to “hear it”.
Nice review. Initially, I complained about the FTDX10 buttons. However, after a few months of operating my fingers find their way around without issue. For me it was bit of a knee jerk reaction to complain about the smaller buttons and where they were located. I've had my 10 a bit over a year now, and have to say it is a fine radio not unlike many on the market today. IDK, but the 710 is in a strange spot IMHO, and will be interesting to see where it finds its place over the next year or two.
Great video, I wish you could do a current draw comparison between the two in receive and transmit
Great comparison, Robert. I bought the FTDX-10 in September specifically because of the superhet front end. We live in an area with high RF from a couple of 10kw daytime MW stations which play havoc on the front ends of my 2 SDR receivers (SDR-IQ/RSPdx) and my Xiegu G90. Such is not the case with the FTDX-10. After a few months of understanding and using the buttons and controls, I have no problem with crowding or inadvertantly bumping the VFO. And I agree with you regarding the inner ring. Ergonomically, it is a real winner for tuning and secondary functions. I couldn't be more pleased with the DX-10 and I'm happy that I got in at the discounted price.
I’m about 4km from a large transmitter and have a neighbourhood underground power transformer about 25metres away… any thoughts about whether or not RF interference might be an issue here? Newbie. Out of town just wondering roughly at what point RF issues might creep in. Otherwise my area is low density residential.
@@bradl2636 I don't envy you.
@@Bdub1952 😢😢😢
Great video. I realy like my FTDX10. The only thing bothering me is that it has quieter receive than my Icom 7610 which was a lot more money. . Some how better signal to noise ratio. Well done Yaesu. VE3WF
I have the 7610 too and use it as my main rig. Why? I have a three-way PC speaker on it with sub-woofer and it sounds fantastic because the Icom does not filter out audio under 150hz and over 3khz like the Yaesu. They wanted to hit the Sherwood numbers - and they did.
I just bought a new FT-DX10 as well and it is a amazing rig, got it's matching SP-30 speaker with it. I tried the FT-710 and wasn't as impressed . Preferred the controls & receiver on the FT-dx10. The FT-710 is a striped down entry level model like the old IC-7300 that I just sold. had that since 2016. had a 7610 , got it when it came out back in 2017. I sold the 7610 because I never used the other tuner so it sat wail I used the 7300. has Icom put out a new tech radio since then? 2016?
@@xjohn1970 No. Icom is due for a few new rigs.
The best review I have seen on these two rigs. Thank you!
Thanks! I do try to make my video worth your time.
@@Yavor54 And they certainly are!!
Good explanation of the differences. I'm seeing about a $250 difference between them right now. I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
The FTDX-10 is a lot more radio for a few $100 more. The receiver in the FT-dx10 is far better than the FT-710 And that just the receiver. The DX models are the way to go.
@@xjohn1970 But is isn't "far better" at all though is it? Read the Sherwood report. DX10 comes in only 1 place above the 710. Hardly "far better". And as Robert says, the audio sounds better on the 710.
@@Nick_G7IZR Agreed. Some people think it far better because it costs $300 more and just ignore the facts put out by Rob Sherwood.
@@xjohn1970 The 101D is a lot more radio, the dx10 is a bit more radio in some ways and a bit less in others. I own all three. The dx10 is the one that gets the least amount of use. Not as good as the 710 for mobile, and nowhere near as good as the 101 for base. However, if I could only have one rig it would be the dx10 because it can cover both situations. They all have their strengths and weaknesses.
Audio on the 710 is significantly clearer. Looks more digital friendly too. I have a 991A and will be looking into the 710.
Really nice video! I like the extra buttons on the face. I'd have to say I bought the ft991a and bought the ftdx10 when i wasn't quite happy with the 991a. For the money today I think it's a tough choice between the 710 and the dx10. i do like the included external speaker and the audio options the 710 enables.
The FTDX-10 is a lot more radio for a few $100 more. The receiver in the FT-dx10 is far better than the FT-710 And that just the receiver. The DX models are the way to go. the SP-30 is the matching speaker for the FTDX10 and it's better. FT-is made to compete with the old IC-730
Interesting video as I am considering an FTDX10. The 710 SDR might swing me in that direction. Here in the UK the 710 also has the 4m band (70 MHz). I rarely buy amateur radio gear but I am falling out of love with the audio from my FT450D. DE GM4SVM
the 10 has 70 mhz aswell....
I bought a 710 and sold the DX10. For me the 710 is more enjoyable to use in the shack, and better for portable too. RX current draw is almost half! 710's RX sounds clearer too. If like me you cannot live with the DX10's front panel - give the 710 a look.
Sir is it true that the ft 10 Display is better, going by this review it seems so?
@@shonniebhida The DX10's screen is quite a lot better than the 710's screen. It's sharper, brighter and has more colour saturation. Blacks are true black, not gray like on the 710. It is also 15% bigger. I also own a 101D and while the screen is 40% bigger than the DX10 screen, it's not actually as bright or as nice to look at. 7" is much bigger though!
The way the buttons are built around the VFO on FT-DX10 is perfect. Its made for the right hand to move the VFO and use the thumb on left side buttons and fingers on the right side buttons. They are ever curved for this purpose. its made for ease and speed. I don't understand why some people use there index finger to push buttons on the the left side of the FT-DX10s VFO. anyways the FT-DX10 is a step up from the FT-710. The FT-710 is to compete with the IC-730 at a lower price. The the 3 Yaesu FT-DX models are tops.
Wow… Just not easy. These are the two radios I’m strongly considering buying imminently.
A couple of things I have going on. I’m trying to buy a radio that I will not outgrow. Or at least not for a long, long time. Much of what they talk about is waaay over my head. I’m a General with less than two years in. Prior to that the only radio experience I had was talking. Talking into them and listening. In a military and police setting. This helped me feel comfortable talking into a mic., but I had no technical skill. I am learning. My G-90 radio has relatively no audio crafting. So, both of these radios go deep into things I am unlearned in. A drawback I have is that my hearing is not so good. I’m “supposed” to wear hearing aids. So,I’d probably draw a blank as far as many of these super-fine audio adjustments.
Finally, I don’t look forward to a frustrating setup and learning process. I recently went through a few weeks of severe grief setting up my G-90 and laptop to work together for digital modes. I am blessed with two very involved and under-their-wings, Elmers. Even they had much grief, as did I.
But, what I know is neither of them have either of these radios. They are handy with the IC-7300, IC-7610, and FT-991. A lot of my ham club guys have 7300’s. But it is daunting, having been through what I have when none of my guys don’t know either of my current radios; Xiegu G-90, or TYT TH9800. I do not envy a steep learning curve. My brain is tired. Weary. But, I am anxious for a
better, more “User Friendly??????” HF experience.
Wow… Just not easy. These are the two radios I’m strongly considering buying imminently.
A couple of things I have going on. I’m trying to buy a radio that I will not outgrow. Or at least not for a long, long time. Much ofhat they talk about is waaay over my head. I’m a General with less than two years in. Prior to that the only radio experience I had was talking. Talking into them and listening. In a military and police setting. This helped me feel comfortable talking into a mic., but I had no technical skill. I am learning.My G-90 radio has relatively no audio crafting. So, both of these radios go deep into things I am unlearned in. A drawback I have is that my hearing is not so good. I’m “supposed” to wear hearing aids. So,I’d probably draw a blank as far as many of these super-fine audio adjustments.
Finally, I don’t look forward to a frustrating setup and learning process. I recently went through a few weeks of severe grief setting up my G-90 and laptop to work together for digital modes. I am blessed with two very involved and under-their-wings, Elmers. Even they had much grief, as did I.
But, what I know is neither of them have either of these radios. They are handy with a IC-7300, IC-7610, and FT-991. A lot of my hand club guys have 7300’s. But it is daunting, having been through what I have when none of my guys don’t know either of my current radios; Xiegu G-90, or TYT TH9800. I do not envy a steep learning curve. My brain is tired. Weary. But, I am anxious for a
better, more “User Friendly??????” HF experience.
I think that if your main activity is digital then you should opt for the 710 precisely because it has no roofing filter and thus the higher part of the passband is not impaired by an analog filter. As you may have noticed in FT8 on crowded bands more and more people use frequencies above 3000 Hz. Also an analog filter may introduce phase and amplitude variations that may be fine for the ears but detrimental for digital.
I concur- good analysis.
Great comparison of the two models. Concerning the I/O differences. The 10 has a RS 232 and 710 doesn’t.
I use a Rigpi to externally control my 10. When using the RS232 port the screen saver function is active.
When using the USB port with the Rigpi the screen saver doesn’t activate and the TFT display stays on.
I wonder if the 710 USB and screen saver behaves the same way.
I would be interested to know how each of these radios performs on a “field day” right next to other people transmitting on HF on the same or other bands. I know my IC-705 RX was totally wiped out in that situation. I haven’t had a chance to try the FTDX-10 yet.
Very useful and balanced review. And I admire your nice backyard.
It's not just a couple hundred dollars more. It's almost 50% MORE. It's not worth paying the almost extra 50% in cost for the 10.
Great review thanks. Not many of us can sit with the radios we intend to buy before we actually do.
You mention your old ears and I'm in the same boat. The FTDX10 interest me in part due to its internal equalizer features that will hopefully make up for my hearing deficit. Wonder if you've had an opportunity to work with it? Thanks again.
W- Well, "you can't get there from here"- as they say in the South. The tight receiver design and having one stage of superhet before the SDR results in an audio passband that is not flat. The top and bottom are tapered off. There IS no audio information there to EQ. The pure Direct-Sampling SDR of the 710 and IC-7300 result in a flat audio passband. It's blatantly obvious when comparing them. High end is critical for us at this point... but I also like some bottom end just for ear comfort. I use three-way PC speakers with the sub-woofer on all my HF radios. Logitech makes great ones. Tune down to AM radio and it's awesome. Put the sub in the corner of the room for max effect. Unless you are a multi-op contester, you won't need the selectivity of the 10. The 710 is tighter than the 7300, but the 7300 is better in some critical ways. TX audio is top-shelf on the 7300 and the display has averaging- which is a kill-shot for me on the Yaesu. It's like a strobe light show. So go try the radios if you can... you really can't go wrong these days.
That FTdx10 has my vote. I think I'll get me one some day. It'll be a MASSIVE jump from my Icom IC-706MKII....
How does the Icom 756 Pro3 compare to the Yaesu FTDX-10? I love the band scope on the Pro3.
At its current price point, just over $1k, the 710 (DX10 is almost $400 more at present, it was more until recently), overall, is the best value for money.
I am currently seeing a $350 price difference. While there are pros and cons to both I am not seeing the price difference for my needs. Only thing that does attract (stilly as it seems) is the larger screen on the 10.
Sale on the 710 right now, $899
Seems obvious that the FT710 would sound better since you have it setting right on top the FTDX-10's internal speaker while the 710 has a separate speaker blasting into the mic. Gee, it seems like an unfair comparison in that regard. Everything else was good though and thanks for the video.
I'm aware of that, but the simple fact remains that the 710's direct sampling design results in a flatter audio pass band. Even one stage of superhet mixing results in lower system fidelity. Sure, great selectivity, but you can "hear" that you are one step further from the original RF. The ic-7300 also displays the more visceral and immediate sound quality. This is not a matter of speakers.
@@Yavor54 Amazing. I guess the crystal filter is lobbing off a portion of the desired signal then the ADC can't sample it.
They keep designing radios with no RX antenna port. You have to spend 3K+ to get this on current radios.
Thanksgiving 2023, the 710 is $899, makes it attractive at $500 less than the 10
In France is 1179€
In usa cost 899 USD
Dont understand why IS not the same Price....... conversion.
Yaesu try to fuck EU
Great video; needed to see this and make the decision: I just bought the FTDX-10. Thank you Robert!
710 is way better, why ? because mine arrived yesterday 😅Thanks for the video!
You'll be a very happy camper! There is very little difference in these radios. The one place the 710 beats the "10" is better fidelity RX audio. Get a set of three-way PC speakers with a sub-woofer and it will sound magnificent.
@@robertnagy2163 Thanks for your reply and tip !!
I use a microfiber stylus on the touch screen, which dual functions as a "button pusher."
Another great, insightful review, Bob! Glad you are back on your UA-cam channel. Note that there is some controversy over the dvi to hdmi port adapters. Some hdmi ports in monitors (and TVs) feed a voltage back to the dvi port which has apparently damaged the dvi circuit on the Ftdx10. Caveat emptor.
Yes...indeed there doesn't seem to be clarification on which cables work. Luckily, most HDMI ports do not feed back voltage.
Just a suggestion is to buy a monitor with a DVI-D input. They can be found new or used. I was able to find a nice used one. Good luck. N3EDO.
At 14 mins 45 secs in, you question why on the FTdx10 when you open up the bandwidth to 4K on receive you are not hearing the high frequency hiss like on the ft710. Please note that the roofing filter on the dx10 is still at 3K. If you do this on an FTdx3000 the roofing filter automatically switched from 3 to 6K however looks like the FTdx10 doesn't do that.
Correct, but even when you widen out the roofing filter to 12 khz, it still doesn't add much top-end. To hit those amazing Sherwood numbers, they have to leave the receiver tight. The 710 has more high freq audio when widened out- as the direct-sampling design provides a flatter passband.
Great review, thanks.
Does the FT710 have a narrow CW filter option? I'm guessing not.
With a direct-sampling SDR, all filtering is done in software. It does trim down to very narrow in CW- and the quality of that DSP filtering is excellent. With the older technology Mixer SDR (dx10/101D) Yaesu can sell you front-end filters- because the radios are part superheterodyne.
Bob..really enjoy your videos..
I know the FTDX10 is a hybrid SDR..The FT 710 is a true SDR..but I have a question.
Correct me if I'm wrong..but As I understand the FDX 10 shares much of the 101D/MPs internals.
I'm told the 101s employ separate sdrs..1 for the band scope another for the receiver thus the audio.
Is this true..and is this trait shared by the 10 and or the 710?
Respectfully
Darrell L Wilson
ETC(SS)USN Ret
K04DRJ
Well, all these radios require a second digital pathway to feed the spectrum monitor. The FTdx-10 does share a LOT of circuitry with the FTdx-101D series. In fact, Yaesu corrected many issues with the 101D series in the 10. They didn't advertise this because it is admitting there were problems with the 101D/MP. I'm talking hardware problems. They did not correct the two main issues in my mind: No averaging on the spectrum display- and the AMC mic audio limiting circuitry (and resulting ALC meter problems). The 10 IS a better radio than the 710. The only thing that I like about the 710 better is that with direct sampling, you get a flat RX audio passband top to bottom. The 10 and 101D trim off top and bottom end RX audio frequencies- and you cannot recover them. I sold the 710 and kept the 10 after the review. If I were in the market for a new radio in the mid-class area- I'd buy a clean used IC-7610. If I had more $$, I'd wait till later this month and see what the Icom X-60 radio is going to be. Newer ADC chips have come out and if it is a 18 bit or more direct sampler... it will be the top dawg.
the result is biased. I don't think ftdx10 is better, but of course everyone has their own option.
We are humans. ANY opinion from Anyone is Biased. In fact you'd have to have two AI machines talking to each other to get any objectivity. My "bias" is the result of 52 years of operating on the SW bands. I run an Amateur Radio company. I've owned over 25 HF radios. I've built several commercial broadcast stations and hold an Amateur Extra License and 1st Class Radiotelephone License. My degree is from NY Institute of Technology. I've built payloads at NASA. So, I'd probably actually go with a "biased" report from me! Always consider the source.
Wonder whether the FT-710 is using a tunable bandpass filter or multiple filters? as the diagram implies they've done away with a front end mixer..
Not tunable filters...fixed bandpass filters.
Great review! I t helped me decide between the two. Thank you very much!
Could it be that 710 has more trebble and hiss because of SSB RX tone control settings? Also I notice people compare RIGs with different size and make internal speaker, which of course will produce different audio, whereas other RX parameters might be independently better in the smaller speaker RIG.
I set the RX EQ settings identically. One thing is that the external speaker does provide more high end, but primarily, it is that Yaesu wanted so bad to hit the Sherwood numbers in the 101D and 10 that they trim the bottom and top end out of the audio- and you just can't get it back with the EQ. On the Icom SDR's and the 710, the full passband of audio is fed through fairly linearly. Put a set of PC three-way speakers on these radios and the sound is fantastic.
Great and useful comparison Robert. I would love to see you compare the FTDX10 to the IC-7610 to see if that extra $$$ spent is worth it, especially for CW work.
Bill- I have both here side by side. The 7610 isn't going anywhere. The 10 on the other hand will go bye bye. OK, if you are mostly on CW, the 10's receiver is tighter. It is basically bullet-proof. the 7610 is fine for a mixed mode operator. It does everything very well... and is a joy to operate. The 10 is less of a joy to operate but has the performance edge slightly. I've had ALL the top radios from the big three here for extended use and the 7610 is the best over-all radio for me. (IC-7851, FTdx-101D, TS-990s) If i wear it out, I'm buying another one.
@@Yavor54 The IC-7610 is $5000 in Australia vs the FTDX10 is $2100… these two are not even close compares IMHO… at least not in this market.
Thr 7610 price is almost the same as ftdx101 not the 10
I liked your comparison very much, but I think the top firing speaker on the 10 is rolling off some higher frequency response.
It is Dan.. but just a bit. The observation still holds. The 710 just delivers more top end in the audio because of the design difference. In the 101D and 10, they use un-defeatable high and low-pass filters in the audio too so as to push those selectivity numbers as high as possible. There is also a RX audio quality difference in a direct-samplng SDR like the 710. It is more articulated...more visceral. It is one whole step closer to the true fidelity of the original signal. Sort of like digital Windex. There isn't a bench test for that type of effect yet.
Reading all the comments I glad you all have the money to buy at a higher price and get less good job happy for you. Not shitting on the FT-710 but why pay more for less ? FTdx-10 VS FT-710 the real winner is the FTdx-10. But hey if you want to pay more and get less god bless.
This really is competing with 7300 when looking at price.
Yes...it is a direct competitor for the IC7300. Is say it is a better radio, but the 7300 already captured this part of the market
Thank, i ordered yesterday my first transceiver, i am actually learning for the licence and like swl with my belka dx receiver.
The choice wasn't easy at all, the winner is the ft710 for the price, the receiver quality, it's a yaesu and it's not multiband like 991. I'll purchase a vhfuhfshf later i want listen iss and sat too.
In the big brand, there is no really bad transceivers?? No?? (icom yaesu elekraft.... . Excepted cheap chineses). Thanks for this video.
You guys are missing a very important fact with regards to the ftdx10. Ask yourself this, how does the ftdx10 produce a a wideband scope, given it has 3 roofing filters preceding a mixer? Think about it.
Actually, if you check out the block diagram of the ftdx10 you will notice it deploys 2 adc's, one for the band scope and the other for roofing filter, the dsp then calculates the antenna noise floor with the roofing filter resulting in much lower noise floor over the ft710.
Yaesu engineers aren't that stupid after all.
Cheers
Darren
I own an Icom TCVR and when I had a DX10 on my desk. I struggled a lot with the signal being terribly low down and containing so many low frequencies that I could barely understand even the SSB modulation, even though the DX10 has a more powerful RX than my Icom radios, the modulation from the Icom speaker is punchier and far more understandable . I tried to solve it with the Low and hicut setting in Yaesu, but it didn't seem very effective, the signal was still very low. I see the only solution in connecting a high-quality center speaker, let's say 8Ohm and 20Watt max RM-S, then I assume - since I didn't have this option, intelligibility would improve considerably. For sure, if I ever owned this radio, I would also replace the internal speaker with another one, with a different frequency characteristic to suit the output signal from the RX DX10. The use of a quality desktop speaker (not the factory Yaesu), I consider more necessary with the DX10 than with any other TCVR. 73!
Looks like the 710 doesn’t have the RF gain set as close as the dx10, making it more noisy…. I realise one is SDR and one is Superhet front end but I have found the 710 RF gain much better than say the 7300/7610..
When I chose the FT-710 last September, I was looking for portability, for which I found to be moderately superior to the FTdx-10. Performance specs were close for both, with a slight edge to the FTdx-10 on CW. As I do almost no CW when portable/camping, this was a very minor consideration. The price difference of a few hundred dollars was a factor as well. When traveling, I carry the FT-710 in a hard case, and bring an Astron SS-30M-AP and a Bioenno 15 aH battery. If I want QRP, I just reduce the power from the menu, which is generally simple and effective.
I have used the 710 when camping just once, but also used it at home on the deck with portable antennas;in both situations, I am impressed. While not as portable as my IC-705 (which I really enjoy) and not as capable as my Flex 6700, this is a great "in between" radio and is a keeper. The only thing I am missing is (memory/settings) software... will likely order the RT Systems software as Yaesu does not offer ADMS-___ for this (nor for the FTdx-10).
If I did not have the Flex at home, the FT-710 would likely serve and meet my needs and most of my desires as a "home" radio.
I have both of these radios, I buy my own Christmas presents each year.
I could not choose one over the other. I tend to do POTA more with the 710 because of the size. Then again, the DX10 does POTA really well too.
Currently studying for my general -- really considering the FT-710 because it's smaller and I could take it out for things like POTA. When I'm at the house, I'd probably use a mouse and external display.
I have both a DX10 and a 710. I can't tell any difference in the receive, they hear the same. The DX10 just has more filters to pull out distant stations.
Sir, that is the exact type of reply I was looking for, I can't thank you enough, I had only images and You Tube clips to go by, I have very sharp eyes, and I had come to the same conclution without seeing any in real life, am located in Stornoway Outer Hebrides so no Ham stores near me. Am not interested in Sounds or filters or Technical stuff, Display is more important to me, strange I came to think the same thing as you, the Rig is for house use, so I am going to Order the 10, its possible that software upgrades could improve the Display of the smaller 1, but am not going to Gamble on that, so going to play the Safety Card. Many thanks indeed from Scotland
Exellent video. Congrats.. Concerning my preference for the sound, the winner is th ftdx10 as i dont like the hissss from the 710: but thats a personal preference. Maby good quality loudspeakers with filters can do the job for less hissss, an btw i am 64……😀
thanks for this investigation, helps me with the choice, reg. The PA1MER
I changed the func button on the FTDX10 by a button smaller in diameter and somewhat shorter, that solved the problem. Easy and cheap solution. Thank you for the nice shootout, I have the 10 in the shack and the 710 in the car
Hello, it is possible to set the speed of movement of the waterfall and the green spectrogram, I am thinking of buying the FTDX10, however, the rapidly oscillating spectrogram would probably give me a headache, watching the display for a long time. Thank you for the info, hello Jakub 73!!
For Ssb Dx,
the 710 sounds like very better audio bomb.
The 10 looks like to an old audio for old guys .
Thanks for the comparison. Any chance you could get them both on the same external speaker and compare audio while you have both in hand?
Well, the demo is never on identical grounds. I wanted to use their native speakers to show the difference you'll actually hear. The FTdx-10 and 101d/mp have really tight audio filtering that results in much less audio over 3khz getting to the speaker- no matter what the setting.
the FT-DX10 has it own matching speaker the SP-30
Great vid Bob. I was confused and I could not decide. Now I have a clear picture of it. I will run for the 10. Tnx. so much. 73 de Daniel IK3SGL, OA9DVK
Auer Plaza
19160 Noel Locks
Thanks for this fine video & interesting comparison 👍With Yaesu`s new firmware update (March 2023) they improved improved DNR characteristics.With both transceivers Yaesu has achieved a great success, whereby the price of the FT-710 is really hot if you can live with a lower BDR of approx.128 dB. 73 George - DO5DGH
absolutely do not use and HDMI converter cable unless you modify it or have a cable that does not send power back to the rig!
❤tanks
I was going to buy the 710 till i saw the bigger and brighter Display on the 10