I just found out today , yaesu is trying to get out of fixing your radio if you have problems with you Display this is the email i got ,NOTE: Effective December 1, 2022, New non-warranty labor rates will apply. Amateur radio division - $90 per hour plus parts and shipping. Marine radio division- $75 flat rate plus shipping. I dont think that right, so even if you use a monitor with dvi and you have problems are they going to charge us if its under warranty ,number 1 that's yaesus problem , they should stand behind their product, I use a monitor with DVI , But it says nothing about not being able to hook up to hdmi in the manual , Love your video , be Careful yaesu owners ,I just purchased another ftdx 10 trhen find this out bummer,
Thank you so much for this FTDX-10 warning Jay! HRO Winter Springs Fl. warned me about this when I bought the FTDX-10 the other day. Thank you HRO! Shame on Yaesu! Yaesu, if you ever read the blog comments here, the world is watching. Put a warning label in the manual until you get this bug fixed please! DVI to DVI only...That simple!
Figures after researching radios for a few months I settled on this radio. I pulled the trigger today 1/23/22. I didn't come across anything wrong with this radio except a few complaining how fast menus close before any input is made. Then I come across your video. It really doesn't seem to pay off researching anymore. I mean I spent hours some days comparing radios. Now I feel like I just wasted my time, again. Thanks for putting this out there. I can't believe no one else has said anything about this seems how Yeasu themselves no about it.
Yeah sadly I did the same. Luckily I was able to find that old monitor at the pawn shop for 35$. You can call Tim at yaesu tech support and he will tell you how many are coming in for repair. But he recommends the cabledecon 3-1 multiport adapter. However it will not work Bc it’s not bidirectional. You will really love the radio Luther. Aside from the menu issue you mentioned and the dvi board issue, it’s a top 2 receiver. Even above the flex 6700 after Sherwood revisited the 6700.
See my resonse to this issue....there is a fix, although a kluge job if you cant dig up a monitor with the ancient dviD port....hell they still have RS 232 ports....
Wow I had no idea about this problem thanks for putting this video out there. Because now you have me thinking if it is just a matter of time before it goes goofy on my radio setup. I Have a HDMI to DVI on back of my radio to my TV monitor I'll keep that in mind if I have problems down the road thanks 73s.
Wow, I almost bought a 991, then Yaesu released a 991a to resolve the 991 issues. Skipped that. Almost bought one of these. Thank you for preventing me from making a mistake! Hanging on to my 7300 for now. 73, Steve
Thanks. The main reason I was considering one of these instead of the 991a was the external monitor. Now I'm not so sure. Can't someone do smt fuse replacement instead of Yaesu swapping entire boards?
1) DVI-to-HDMI converters are just pin-to-pin wiring. There's no converter chip involved. They're need not be active, although perhaps some are. 2) Assuming all this is true, then why doesn't Yaesu simply start selling 'approved' cables and/or adapters? It's amazing that such a simple issue with such a common interface has so many people flummoxed. By now there should be a precise explanation of exactly what's going on.
Well said. Frustration out here is off the charts. People, even Yaesu, say there are safe solutions: hubs, uni-directional etc, but when you ask what model/brand you get nothing. Other than Yaseu 'Tim's' recommendation that just will NOT work at all. It is backwards.
Thanks for this video which might compel Yaesu to issue a service bulletin on the subject. You and I had some back and forth on Facebook about this issue a week ago. I'm using an old Dell 4x3 VGA display with an active DVI to VGA converter on the back of my dx10. So far, so good, no problems for me. As for Yaesu, there is a such mixed bag of success and failure that I still think it's either a batch of bad chips or some implementation problem. Until the Yaesu engineers in Japan weigh-in with a TSB, we'll never really know. I've not heard of the same problem affecting Yaesu's flagship FTdx101 transceiver.
Damn, I had my ftdx10 since Oct last year, been using dvi to hdmi, no issues yet but I went ahead and ordered a dvi to dvi (my monitor has dvi port). 👍
I think most people are in your situation Vince. Yaesu should have released the radio with at least a sticker over the dvi port *warning*. I’m reading a lot about dvi monitors causing the issue as well so who knows where the truth is
@@JayN4GO in fact, Yaesu have a video on UA-cam telling you to use a dvi-d to hdmi cable to interface modern monitors with this rig. As you suggest, it's likely a general issue with the video board in the radio and nothing to do with hdmi. ua-cam.com/video/EsctM6j-wSg/v-deo.html
Vince - I have had mine, using it with the cable adapter for a year. I have an old HUGE DVI Monitor. I will reach out to Yaesu to confirm, and switch to it, if necessary. I'm just running out of real estate on my desk!!
This is good to know, I have been looking at the FTDX10. Native DVI seems to be the way to go (I'm not sure why they went DVI to begin with, those outputs haven't really been used much in the past 10 years). In my few years in the AV industry, passive converters have kind of always been a problem. I'm wondering if an active converter would work better? They are typically an order of magnitude more expensive, but definitely work better and last longer.
I read that HDMI licensing is per unit while DVI-D is a one-time license fee. Since DVI-D is older, it is no doubt less expensive all the way around, I can imagine Yaesu reasoning to use up the old stock, shave a few $$$ more off the price, and save all those ports from the landfills. Yaesu seemed to intentionally want to introduce it at $100 less than the price of the FTdx3000D. As soon as I saw that, I said goodbye to the FTdx3000D. Three months later it was gone. I shot a video about it for my channel. It was sad to see the FTdx3000D go. It was a great radio, but the FTdx10 admittedly beats it in the most important categories. Even the DVI-D is still waaay overkill for a 800x600 resolution. So I suspect it was Yaesu finding a place to cut cost and keep the price under $1,700. 73, de N4HNH
If you can't go native DVI, there's always a unidirectional DVI to HDMI adapter available on Amazon. It doesn't allow anything in reverse, so the rig is safe.
A large amount of DVI to HDMI converts do NOT protect voltage coming back from the HDMI down to DVI. We have discussed this and it is not anything hidden.
@@edingacic546 Tim Factor has a link to Yaesu approved units on Amazon...if the board fries after his recommendation i have evidence he told me what to do if there is any issue with warranty
Not a big deal to me personally been using a older flat screen hardly every look at it lcd on ftdx10 is great don’t regret purchase at all. I also have vision problems both eyes macular hole in right eye that I haven’t had surgery yet and may not.appreciate the heads up thou.
The annoying point is that the Chip in the back of the Yeasu is a HDMI Chip, but if Yaesu put a HDMI Port on the back it would have cost Yaesu a few dollars in royalties, the small SMD fuse that burns out costs so little that you can buy aboy 20 for $1 but Yaesu will earn more repairing then in the long run, it is also better to run a DVD-D Single Link Cable.
The shielding on cheap HDMI cable is not very good and I’ve found that DVI cables are better. A possible solution is to do the same thing we do for stray RFI in the USB cables, wind them through a ferrite for a few turns close to the FTDX10. I do that on all digital cables in my shack and seldom have any problems. I’m going to buy the FTDX10 because it looks to be the best on the market in that price range.
Yeah I think the issue is the return voltage on some hdmi or dvi monitors. Although this continues to happen with even dviD monitors, yaesu has yet to release a statement. It is the best in its price range currently. I like the ftdx3000 layout a lot better but the scope on the 10 is much better. I can’t tell an ounce of difference on rx with the roofing filters. Primarily a Cw op. Hope you enjoy the rig!
I don’t think Yaesu anticipated an issue with DVI-D to HDMI converters. Apparently they aren’t all made the same. It’s like with the LED bulb issue for our home. Certain ones, from China, generate RFI and others don’t. The common belief is that certain converters are powered in such a way that it causes a voltage incompatibility with the FTdx10 monitor port. The problem is that when the components driving the port finally fail, the transceiver has to be sent to Yaesu for repair. I read an account by one FTdx10 owner that his converter cable seemed to work, but 6 months later his monitor went blank. He sent his FTdx10 to Yaesu and they replaced the main board. Yaesu told him to use DVI-D to DVI-D or his warranty will be voided. I certainly wouldn’t want to sacrifice my 3-year warranty over an external monitor, especially when native DVI-D monitors can still be purchased. Some users have reported no problems with their cables after a year, but I wouldn’t chance it. I happened to have a native DVI-D monitor available and I’ve been using it for 11 months with no issues. Why did Yaesu use DVI-D versus HDMI? DVI-D was probably less expensive to implement and for 800x600 resolution, even DVI-D is overkill. 73, de N4HNH
there is a circuit in the dvi card and it breaks sooner or later if you use an adapter from dvi to hdmi an hdmi cable is connected so that you get an extra signal through the dvi/hdmi converter and that current causes the fuse circuit on the dvi card in the radio to break and then you have to send the radio to the factory for repairs and that is expensive no warranty
I have pulled the plug on the HDMI to DVI-D converter, and am currently not using a monitor with the ftdx10. Besides the video above, and the information it contains, a credible source tells me to not risk it and to just buy a DVI-D capable monitor. Supposedly, there is a specific converter on Amazon that seems to work, but once again, I'm told not to risk it, and I won't. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, as it may have just been a matter of time before my service call.
I’m glad you called Tim at yaesu. Good advice is to run the dviD to a dvi monitor. The converter on Amazon doesn’t work. It’s not a bidirectional adapter. But I’m like you, I find myself only looking at the rig display. The 21” dvi monitor is nice but I find myself never looking at it. Haha.
Tim Factor says there is a fuse on board that is set at 150mA if you blow it the board needs to go to factory. so he recs two adapters...thats two...and i got the two....now i need a third male to male gender converter
I can't find any reports on the Internet regarding DVI output failures in either the FTDX101 series or the FTDX10. I have both radios and they use a DVI-to-HDMI cable with no converter built in and no problems encountered. No converter is necessary as the signals in both standards are the same and fully electrically compatible (CEA-861 standard). While I won't rule out that the DVI output may be failing on a few radios, I think it's highly unlikely that this is problem the larger body of owners needs to worry about.
Thanks Rick. There are a several hundred on the ftdx Facebook support group. Yaesu also will give you some realistic numbers. Some monitors are producing larger voltage to the dvi boards in the rig. Ie over 250ma. There is a fuse on the board. I’m also confused about why some rigs are affected sooner rather than later. After talking to yaesu , they have no plans to improve the problem or make a service notice about it. You are correct about the converter. As far as I know there is no such one that exist as of yet. I have viewed a few videos of people making their own.
@@JayN4GO I'm not on Facebook anymore, which would explain why I didn't see those posts; however, I find it strange that my searches failed to produce even one such reported failure outside of the Facebook support group. Is this a problem with the 5V supplied by the radio on Pin 14, as in the monitor drawing too much power? The specs call for the DVI port to be able to provide a minimum of 55ma and that the monitor draw no more than 50ma. I would assume the fuse in the radio is there to protect its DVI circuitry in case a monitor attempts to draw more than 50ma. Is it not doing its job or blowing too late? I would expect Yaesu to use essentially the same circuitry in the FTDX101D/MP and I find no reports of the DVD port failing for those models either. Don't get me wrong - it's not that I'm insisting that no problem exists in this area. I'm trying to understand the nature of the failures which are alleged to be occurring and how to best defend against it. If it's indeed a case of an HDMI monitor drawing too much power from the radio's DVI port, a monitor with a DVI port could just as easily draw too much power as well. It feels like Yaesu perhaps isn't taking this seriously because it is a problem caused by an out-of-spec HDMI monitor, although their protection circuitry (fuse) should still protect the port. To do otherwise would be especially poor design work. 73 de W7YP
I really can not see this. Dvid is video with out audio signal, HDMI is video with audio signal and probably some controlling signal. How would the DVI board be damaged? It does not add up to me. Please explain what caused the damage.
@@JayN4GO to add to that cryptic reply, Tim at Yaesu saya that a fuse on board is set at150,A total, and apparently som monitors can supply back current bdown the cable and adapter that exceeds this limit. hdmi and dvid can be two way, not just one way commm/// hope this explains it better than see comments...
I've been using an old Dell that had VGA, so I got a VGA to DVI and so far no issues, not as good a display but it gets the job done. Have you heard of any issues using a VGA monitor?
Sadly yes , Tim. It might be a good time to check pawn shops or goodwill and look for that dvi monitor. I found mine on the marketplace for 30$. It’s an old dell also. Kind of pixelated for sure. I’ll be looking for one with sharper quality. Hehe
@@JayN4GO Thanks for the reply. The display isn't really that bad and quiet frankly I don't use it that much, I'll turn it on occasionally. Will using an old, 2005 model, VGA monitor cause the same problems with the DVI board as the HDMI monitors or do you know? Thanks again.
@@timsul3092 good luck brother. Another thing to note is : run 10 pin din cable to amp and 8 pin to external tuner. There’s a lot of people selling 8 pin amp cables. A lot of proper cables are out of stock right now or on a sinking ship.
This might be a 1 year late but the hdmi carries current that vga/dvi-d do not carry and the hdmi current exceeds what the dvi chip can handle and it fries a tiny fuse on the motherboard. so do not use hdmi with the fxdx10. with that said do not use a cheap converter cable that uses maybe vga. why because it could pass static from the shack to the radio. ferrites are your friend
Replying to the Official Yaesu comment. If using the wrong cables blows a fuse.. Then surely the trip back to yaesu would only to be for a fuse replacement... Kindly explian to me why when I was using the correct cable my radio display went not once but twice... There I was without my radio the 1st time for almost 3 months, and I had only owned my radio for 3 weeks (Jan 2021). I got my radio back eventually and all was well until 4 weeks later when it done the exact same thing. After speaking with yaesu UK repair guy he explained he had to fit a brand new ENTIRE Board both times. Said it wasn't a matter of just replacing 1 output/part. 3 weeks ago my mates did the exact same thing using a dvi d to dvi d lead. Surely there had to be some explanation to the customers who have purchased these radios. I actually feel sorry for the guys that buy these radios second hand and have no warranty.. The amount of money they are going to loss on repairs will be colossal!!!
This is a huge concern about the boards frying with dviD to dviD. I’m thinking it has nothing to do with any cable adapters. Faulty boards are my assumption
@@JayN4GO when I was speaking to the repair guy asking when my radio would be returned he told me he had just ordered 10 new boards from Japan. They clearly had a few radios returned.. And this just months after release date.
@@DxIxNxGxO I spoke with yaesu USA Today and he advised he hasn’t had a single board fry with dviD to dviD. I emailed yaesu Japan in Japanese and they sent it to yaesu usa. May be a good time to start getting this info out on eham reviews.
Jay, I really appreciate your video, thanks a ton. one thing: it could habe been said in 30 seconds, why 11mins.? with all respect for your valuable time in making this video, i‘d love to have seen this in under a minute. I hope I caused no hard feelings. all the best and thanks
I had the same problem but with the FTDX101MP! If you think it’s bad to happen on a 1700 radio you should feel it on a darn near 5000 one! Yaesu treated me very well, as I’d only had the darn thing for about 3 months!
I've been using a DVI-D to HDMI adapter for over a year with no issues. I've read reports on other forums of people using DVI-D to DVI-D monitors and STILL having port failure and returning to Yaesu for repair. So even what Yaesu says to do is not guaranteed safe.
@@JayN4GO The problem for Yaesu is that if they issue a bulletin then they are acknowledging there’s an problem! 100% kudos to Icom when a small number of IC-7610 screens had a “burn in screen issue” Icom released a statement to say they would replace those affected free of charge even out of warranty claims……
@@richard5057 yeah I agree! Icom has always been top notch with their customers. Yaesu is getting a little far into the game now to post a bulletin. Their service dept would be 6 months behind. I guess they’re going to let it fly sadly.
Sorry I’m late to the party, but looking at the UK video it shows DVI to HDMI lead can be used. Yaesu USA seem to be sticking to just DVI - DVI only Is it the lead or the actual ‘power’ drawn / fed back by the actual monitor that’s the issue? Looking to add monitor to my 10 and can do both methods but don’t want to let the magic smoke out !!!
Hello Ok so I’m confused. I’m looking to buy an Ftdx10 and have monitors from Samsung. With dvi d port. Display port. And hdmi port. So going from radio which is dvi to dvi on my monitor is ok?
@@KB2AT Amazon Basics DVI to DVI Monitor Adapter Cable - 6.5 Feet (2 Meters) www.amazon.com/dp/B00IHMFIBY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Y4QPS77S9CTZ2RHQNB1D?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Agree 100%. I do. no have a FTDX10 I have the 101MP. So the noise on this issue is the same so trying to find the facts from Yaesu is like pulling teeth. To your point , I received the video hub from Amazon yesterday that Tim recommend. To your point, and you validated it, it does not work for this setup. It is backwards, period. And in my case, I may jsut be a dimwit, but finding a smear monitor like 16" or so about impossible with a DVI-D port.
@@JayN4GO had a friend get me in contact with a video company that he owns designing custom video computer systems. I sent and reviewed all this stuff about the issues with HDMI and DVI-D and what so called Yaesu says is the issue. He said hogwash on their excuse it has to be a defect in their video processing design. To be safe he said DVI-D monitor or if you want something less than 17” go VGA. Which is what I need. Thanks for your posting it gave me avenues to do more research for my needs. Lastly he said who in the heck would ever put a DVI output on a modern device is beyond his comprehension. Thx again !
I think about any cable will work if it’s shielded well and the monitor is under 5v on pin 11. For some reason yaesu used a 0.6 amp fuse on the video output. I see they changed that to 1amp on the new 710. There’s a video on UA-cam showing a repair guy talk about the dx10 video fuse repair.
Yaesu have clearly done something wrong. DVI HDMI is 100% compatible it is actually in the HDMI specification. Just think of all those Older PC's that came with DVI, then HDMI came along
Yaesu will NEVER admit there is a PROBLEM with the video-output ! REMEMBER the infamous ZEBRA-DISPLAY problem on the Yaesu FT-857 non D and D ??? They had a BIG PROBLEM with a chip on the ribbon cable leading to DISPLAY. Til the end of production 2 years ago, only the last 2 or 3 produced batch had a NEW CHIP on the display ribbon.I was the lucky one to buy one of the latest but i buy-ed even a full display unit for just in case, with knobs and encoder. First recomandation, NEVER connect or disconnect the cable between TRX and MONITOR before POWER OFF both. Second, buy shielded cable, even the connectors should be properly shielded (aluminium case). Third, cable must have ferrite beads on both ends. Give the RFI no chance to return in video-output connector.
Yes I had the 857 that went zebra on me also. Some people could apply heat to the ribbon at the connector but that was a no go for me. 250$ replacement screen. That’s when I saw the shift in old engineers passing away and young hair brained taking their place. Hehe
@@JayN4GO the same amount but in euros i paid straight after purchased one of the last produced 857D whit new chip inside but this little thing is a keeper and i wanted a back-up reserve just in case.Now i'm a happy owner and i hope the tehnicians from Yaesu came with a solution for this video chipset output problem on FTDX-10.
There is no return voltage on a VGA cable so I believe that is a safer bet. I did not spend $$$ so I can have a used 10 year old junk monitor in my NEW shack.
Straight from Tim Factor....In his text to me he says that there is a fuse (!) that ?protects? the board from over current. its limit is 150mA..... and DVID to HDMI adapters may send an overcurrent thru and fry the fuse...requiring the repair. Its stupid, bean counter ish as we spend 5 grand for a rig and they could amortize the 19 cent fee to HDMI per unit very easily. but they don't.. so he sent a fix that requires TWO adapters to connect the HDMI monitor to the 101....but, when i received the two units, they both had female connectors, requiring me to get yet a third adapter maie to male.... I've yet to confirm this all works as I'm looking for a DVID monitor now...
Hi Rich! Yes I’ve been ran in circles by Tim to point I stopped. I even email yaesu Japan in Japanese. The cable decon shouldn’t work at all as it’s not bi directional. Maybe you can let me know how it does for you with all the adapters. I find it odd that the 7610 also has a dviD output and everyone I know runs a hdmi to dvi cable with the 7610s. I understand the technical aspect of the 150ma on board fuse but I’m not sure why they didn’t take the same basic approach Icom did. Or any other electronic device in history that converts from dviD to hdmi. I would just like people to be aware of this before purchasing. Had I known this prior, I’d opted for the k3s. I found a monitor with dviD but it looks pretty horrid. The aspect ratio is awful as well. The rig has a phenomenal rxer. But there are things I wish yaesu would address. Let me know if the cable decon works for you. You’re monitor probably won’t recognize the input if I’m guessing. 73
I already have a new monitor. Had to buy an old one with dvi. Unlike the Icom 7600 7610, yaesu needs dvi straight. No converters. Therefore people should know the monitor board issue “in the radio”.
@@JayN4GO you could have got a brand new computer monitor with DVI-D input with modern resolution like your newer monitors for $90 at BestBuy and off Amazon (ViewSonic VA2055SM 20 Inch LED Monitor with DVI-D Input) . but its good you got a computer monitor because that's what DVI-D input should be use with the FTDX10. DVI-D is still popular on gaming graphics cards in the USA. I use DVI-D out to my DVI-D monitor input from my new nvidia RTX GPU 3080. To use HDMI you have to pay a royalty to HDMI for every radio made it's a owned name. which would drive up the price of the radio more. 24+1 Dual Link is best DVI-D cord
I think it’s only your comments. Might want to look into why that is Davy. No, my external dvi port is not blown. I actually research and get facts before posting. You’re welcome to join the ftdx10 group if you’d like to hear from hundreds of people that are blowing their dvi boards using hdmi to dvi.
@@JayN4GO Listen, we are all brothers in this hobby we call ham radio. I've said nothing negative about the video, only normal comments and questions. I've asked for you to list the sources mentioned in the video, and gave proof that I am a ftdx10 owner - and my post was deleted (Who wouldn't be concerned). I'm not saying you are wrong, or that this isn't happening. I'm just asking for help finding what it is you are describing. Only after I came back and said my post was deleted were you helpful in saying to joining a ftdx10 group. I guess I will just be happy about that and move on, but still I have a red flag going off. In the meantime, I will disconnect the monitor until I find more information, and appreciate you bringing it to everyone's attention because apparently something is going on with the FTDX10 and a non DVI-D monitor. BTW - DVI-D
@@davidc5027 there’s definitely ground tracing or voltage running through some of the adapters. The board shows 0 ohm resistors which are basically jumpers. Yaesu told me that they don’t even know why exactly. Maybe some of the Chinese hdmi to dviD adapters are faulty but unlikely all of them. It is signal to signal trace on the cables. I know that a few devices that used hdmi to dvi in the past had a small rep for burning things up. Tim at yaesu said they are coming in for repair daily but didn’t elaborate on the exact cause. Apparently the engineers don’t know why either. I’m just curious as to how many units will come in before they say anything at all. Even a warning sticker over the dvi port would help a bit I would think. I’ve found it’s like beating a dead horse with yaesu. Unfortunate Bc this is a great rig.
To clear up the DVI cable issue once and for all here is the data and details of options for cables to be used. >>>>>> Bottom line if the converter power consumption is too high(see formula below) it will blow the radio’s internal monitor fuse and the means a trip back to Yaesu. The issue with connecting a non DVI-D to DVI-D monitor to your radio is your radio has a 150mA internal protection fuse that protect the main-board when a high voltage DVI-D to HDMI/VGA adapter is used. If this fuse is open it will require your radio to be returned to Yaesu for service. So.... Is the converter voltage correct? Formula. MAX converter Power Consumption/5 not greater then 150mA- example 700mW .700/5=140mA To help you select the correct converter and cable, please check these links to a converter and cable Yaesu knows to be compatible with your radio. CABLEDECONN Multi-Function DisplayPort Dp to HDMI/DVI/VGA Male to Female 3-in-1 You will need a DVI-D MALE to DVI-D MALE CABLE Adapter Converter Cable >>>>>> DVI-D to VGA CABLE Formula: MAX converter Power Consumption/5 not grater then 150mA- example 700mW .700/5=140mA NOTE: REQUIRES MALE-MALE DVI-D CABLE DVI to VGA Cable, PeoTRIOL Active DVI 24+1 to VGA Adapter Cable, DVI-D Male VGA Male Converter with Chip, Compatible with DVI Desktop PC DVD to 15 Pin D-SUB VGA Monitor HDTV Projector - 6 Feet NOTE: These are NOT Yaesu products nor does Yaesu sell or endorse these products. Yaesu cannot guarantee workmanship or proper operation or that it will NOT cause damage. We suggest using a DVI only cable connected to a true DVI port on the monitor type device.
Hi, trying to make sure I understand: So the problem is that various DVI--->"Another video interface format" adapters draw too much current (more than 150mA) from the radio DVI interface?? Is this the only concern?
@@SparkyRF to my knowledge. However the Icom 7610 I believe uses dviD. The best I understand, any“adapter” pushes more than 150ma. Causing the board to blow. Interestingly enough, I’ve never had anything with hdmi or vga to dviD to burn up in the audio video industry.
you really cocked this up..........and don`t get me started on your cockup with my 857 screens........ you should provide an add on converter for all dx10s and replacement screen kits for all 857`s.... the dx10 is my last yaesu radio... as you do not care about customers............i have 3 dead 857`s now with the screen issue and i picked up my dx10 brand new because of the waterfall ... 2 months later I stiill can`t find a large enough monitor with dvi any where near to me.... FAIL.
Almost 30 days since this was posted and how many...how many people went out and did exactly what you told them not to do......they put so much faith in 1 person when that person was completely wrong.........i have dell 21 and 22 inch monitor wit the dvi con on the back of them.....yaesu will not append any hardware in the radios.........if the radio was clearly not meant to be conned to a dvi monitor only they would have made that comment in the manual....now the news is if you buy one of these used how will you know if the board is not working until you get it and plug your dvi monitor in it and it does not work...things to think about.....we need more truth seekers!!!!....your vids are the truth......a squeaky wheel always get the grease!!!!.....i have a 991a and a 991 both are for sale and i want a dx10 solely for the dvi output instead of me using sdr uno
Thanks man. Yeah buying them used is going to be a real problem. This is the first rig I’ve purchased new. It’s good for people to be aware. The rig is awesome in performance but their engineers seem to cut corners when they can.
New computers monitor ViewSonic VA2055SM 20 Inch LED Monitor with DVI-D Input are only around $90. To use HDMI you have to pay a royalty's to HDMI for every radio made it's a owned name.
@@JayN4GO new one would upscale ftdx10 output to native high resolution monitor . if this is or was a some kind of video output DAC problem in the ftdx10 they already did or will resolve the situation in a hardware revision. video out put DAC's are petty straight forward so it may have been a problem with the chip vender for the video DAC they use. I just got a FTDX10 myself and its a newer manufacture date. I will open it up and check the hardware version soon.
Hmmmm do not know what you got going on but I have not had any shit you talk about with this radio. Got my cable at Best-Buy Same day I got the FTDX10 a week after this radio came out. maybe I got a good one but what you have going on I do not know 73.
I just found out today , yaesu is trying to get out of fixing your radio if you have problems with you Display this is the email i got ,NOTE:
Effective December 1, 2022, New non-warranty labor rates will apply. Amateur radio division - $90 per hour plus parts and shipping. Marine radio division- $75 flat rate plus shipping. I dont think that right, so even if you use a monitor with dvi and you have problems are they going to charge us if its under warranty ,number 1 that's yaesus problem , they should stand behind their product, I use a monitor with DVI , But it says nothing about not being able to hook up to hdmi in the manual , Love your video , be Careful yaesu owners ,I just purchased another ftdx 10 trhen find this out bummer,
Yeah thanks for the update. I’d encourage everyone to file a complaint with the BBB that have display issues under warranty. Hope people see this.
Thank you so much for this FTDX-10 warning Jay!
HRO Winter Springs Fl. warned me about this when I bought the FTDX-10 the other day. Thank you HRO! Shame on Yaesu!
Yaesu, if you ever read the blog comments here, the world is watching.
Put a warning label in the manual until you get this bug fixed please! DVI to DVI only...That simple!
Figures after researching radios for a few months I settled on this radio. I pulled the trigger today 1/23/22. I didn't come across anything wrong with this radio except a few complaining how fast menus close before any input is made. Then I come across your video. It really doesn't seem to pay off researching anymore. I mean I spent hours some days comparing radios. Now I feel like I just wasted my time, again. Thanks for putting this out there. I can't believe no one else has said anything about this seems how Yeasu themselves no about it.
Yeah sadly I did the same. Luckily I was able to find that old monitor at the pawn shop for 35$. You can call Tim at yaesu tech support and he will tell you how many are coming in for repair. But he recommends the cabledecon 3-1 multiport adapter. However it will not work Bc it’s not bidirectional. You will really love the radio Luther. Aside from the menu issue you mentioned and the dvi board issue, it’s a top 2 receiver. Even above the flex 6700 after Sherwood revisited the 6700.
@@JayN4GO It was the receive, filters, and DNR/DSP that sold me on this radio. If you can't hear them you can't work them right.
@@theyodaman82 I have the problem of hearing people too well. Great problem to have. Haha. I’ll 55n someone and they can barely hear me. I love it
See my resonse to this issue....there is a fix, although a kluge job if you cant dig up a monitor with the ancient dviD port....hell they still have RS 232 ports....
Good video and information , thanks for posting .This also applies to the FTdx101 also as it's the same board .
Thanks for that very valuable information 👍
Wow I had no idea about this problem thanks for putting this video out there. Because now you have me thinking if it is just a matter of time before it goes goofy on my radio setup. I Have a HDMI to DVI on back of my radio to my TV monitor I'll keep that in mind if I have problems down the road thanks 73s.
Seems only to be issue with yaesu ftdx10 and 101 models:)
Wow, I almost bought a 991, then Yaesu released a 991a to resolve the 991 issues. Skipped that. Almost bought one of these. Thank you for preventing me from making a mistake! Hanging on to my 7300 for now. 73, Steve
Yeah I sold my 7300 to buy mine. Icom is a very polished company.
@@JayN4GO Until they burn you b\y heavily discounting the 7300, selling all remaining stock then issuing the 7310....see 7600, 7800, et al....
@@richiet3841 7310 sounds good.
Thanks. The main reason I was considering one of these instead of the 991a was the external monitor. Now I'm not so sure.
Can't someone do smt fuse replacement instead of Yaesu swapping entire boards?
1) DVI-to-HDMI converters are just pin-to-pin wiring. There's no converter chip involved. They're need not be active, although perhaps some are.
2) Assuming all this is true, then why doesn't Yaesu simply start selling 'approved' cables and/or adapters?
It's amazing that such a simple issue with such a common interface has so many people flummoxed. By now there should be a precise explanation of exactly what's going on.
I agree
Well said. Frustration out here is off the charts. People, even Yaesu, say there are safe solutions: hubs, uni-directional etc, but when you ask what model/brand you get nothing. Other than Yaseu 'Tim's' recommendation that just will NOT work at all. It is backwards.
Thanks for this video which might compel Yaesu to issue a service bulletin on the subject. You and I had some back and forth on Facebook about this issue a week ago. I'm using an old Dell 4x3 VGA display with an active DVI to VGA converter on the back of my dx10. So far, so good, no problems for me. As for Yaesu, there is a such mixed bag of success and failure that I still think it's either a batch of bad chips or some implementation problem. Until the Yaesu engineers in Japan weigh-in with a TSB, we'll never really know. I've not heard of the same problem affecting Yaesu's flagship FTdx101 transceiver.
Please provide a link to where Yaesu suggest not using hdmi to dvi.
Damn, I had my ftdx10 since Oct last year, been using dvi to hdmi, no issues yet but I went ahead and ordered a dvi to dvi (my monitor has dvi port). 👍
I think most people are in your situation Vince. Yaesu should have released the radio with at least a sticker over the dvi port *warning*. I’m reading a lot about dvi monitors causing the issue as well so who knows where the truth is
@@JayN4GO in fact, Yaesu have a video on UA-cam telling you to use a dvi-d to hdmi cable to interface modern monitors with this rig. As you suggest, it's likely a general issue with the video board in the radio and nothing to do with hdmi.
ua-cam.com/video/EsctM6j-wSg/v-deo.html
Vince - I have had mine, using it with the cable adapter for a year. I have an old HUGE DVI Monitor. I will reach out to Yaesu to confirm, and switch to it, if necessary. I'm just running out of real estate on my desk!!
This is good to know, I have been looking at the FTDX10. Native DVI seems to be the way to go (I'm not sure why they went DVI to begin with, those outputs haven't really been used much in the past 10 years). In my few years in the AV industry, passive converters have kind of always been a problem. I'm wondering if an active converter would work better? They are typically an order of magnitude more expensive, but definitely work better and last longer.
I believe it's due to the licensed cost of the interface.
Licensing fees? Wow, any cheap Chinese video player has HDMI , and it too expensive for $1500 radio ?
@@sas7388 he might be thinking of all the copy protection stuff which really wouldn't matter on a radio display
@@sas7388 Probably because they don't pay the fees
I read that HDMI licensing is per unit while DVI-D is a one-time license fee. Since DVI-D is older, it is no doubt less expensive all the way around, I can imagine Yaesu reasoning to use up the old stock, shave a few $$$ more off the price, and save all those ports from the landfills.
Yaesu seemed to intentionally want to introduce it at $100 less than the price of the FTdx3000D. As soon as I saw that, I said goodbye to the FTdx3000D. Three months later it was gone. I shot a video about it for my channel. It was sad to see the FTdx3000D go. It was a great radio, but the FTdx10 admittedly beats it in the most important categories.
Even the DVI-D is still waaay overkill for a 800x600 resolution. So I suspect it was Yaesu finding a place to cut cost and keep the price under $1,700.
73, de N4HNH
Thanx for the info !
NR7K
If you can't go native DVI, there's always a unidirectional DVI to HDMI adapter available on Amazon. It doesn't allow anything in reverse, so the rig is safe.
Thanks ! Is there one in particular that you use?
@@JayN4GO www.amazon.com/dp/B07D4Z61X3
If you look on page 14 of the user manual it tells you to use a DVI-D CONNECTOR
Would love to buy a FT DX 10 but have such a hard time trusting Yaesu.
Has anyone thought about a unidirectional cable (DVI to HDMI). Unidirectional transmits one way only vs bidirectional which is both ways.
A large amount of DVI to HDMI converts do NOT protect voltage coming back from the HDMI down to DVI. We have discussed this and it is not anything hidden.
How about issuing a bulletin or putting a caution sticker over the port?
List the DVI to HDMI converters that are safe with your radios
@@edingacic546 Tim Factor has a link to Yaesu approved units on Amazon...if the board fries after his recommendation i have evidence he told me what to do if there is any issue with warranty
@@richiet3841 why not share the link or make/model with us?
Why can't you just engineer the circuit properly.....
Not a big deal to me personally been using a older flat screen hardly every look at it lcd on ftdx10 is great don’t regret purchase at all. I also have vision problems both eyes macular hole in right eye that I haven’t had surgery yet and may not.appreciate the heads up thou.
Yeah I’ve been doing the same Rick
The annoying point is that the Chip in the back of the Yeasu is a HDMI Chip, but if Yaesu put a HDMI Port on the back it would have cost Yaesu a few dollars in royalties, the small SMD fuse that burns out costs so little that you can buy aboy 20 for $1 but Yaesu will earn more repairing then in the long run, it is also better to run a DVD-D Single Link Cable.
Do you have a link to this cable
The shielding on cheap HDMI cable is not very good and I’ve found that DVI cables are better. A possible solution is to do the same thing we do for stray RFI in the USB cables, wind them through a ferrite for a few turns close to the FTDX10. I do that on all digital cables in my shack and seldom have any problems.
I’m going to buy the FTDX10 because it looks to be the best on the market in that price range.
Yeah I think the issue is the return voltage on some hdmi or dvi monitors. Although this continues to happen with even dviD monitors, yaesu has yet to release a statement. It is the best in its price range currently. I like the ftdx3000 layout a lot better but the scope on the 10 is much better. I can’t tell an ounce of difference on rx with the roofing filters. Primarily a Cw op. Hope you enjoy the rig!
I don’t think Yaesu anticipated an issue with DVI-D to HDMI converters. Apparently they aren’t all made the same. It’s like with the LED bulb issue for our home. Certain ones, from China, generate RFI and others don’t.
The common belief is that certain converters are powered in such a way that it causes a voltage incompatibility with the FTdx10 monitor port. The problem is that when the components driving the port finally fail, the transceiver has to be sent to Yaesu for repair.
I read an account by one FTdx10 owner that his converter cable seemed to work, but 6 months later his monitor went blank. He sent his FTdx10 to Yaesu and they replaced the main board. Yaesu told him to use DVI-D to DVI-D or his warranty will be voided. I certainly wouldn’t want to sacrifice my 3-year warranty over an external monitor, especially when native DVI-D monitors can still be purchased.
Some users have reported no problems with their cables after a year, but I wouldn’t chance it. I happened to have a native DVI-D monitor available and I’ve been using it for 11 months with no issues.
Why did Yaesu use DVI-D versus HDMI? DVI-D was probably less expensive to implement and for 800x600 resolution, even DVI-D is overkill.
73, de N4HNH
Don’t let yaesu think we know the dviD ports are cheaper. We will be called conspiracy theorist. Something John krunk has denied over and over.
@@JayN4GO JK needs to go. Not good at customer relations at all.
DVI-to-HDMI is just wiring. There's no circuitry involved.
there is a circuit in the dvi card and it breaks sooner or later if you use an adapter from dvi to hdmi an hdmi cable is connected so that you get an extra signal through the dvi/hdmi converter and that current causes the fuse circuit on the dvi card in the radio to break and then you have to send the radio to the factory for repairs and that is expensive no warranty
I have pulled the plug on the HDMI to DVI-D converter, and am currently not using a monitor with the ftdx10. Besides the video above, and the information it contains, a credible source tells me to not risk it and to just buy a DVI-D capable monitor. Supposedly, there is a specific converter on Amazon that seems to work, but once again, I'm told not to risk it, and I won't. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, as it may have just been a matter of time before my service call.
I’m glad you called Tim at yaesu. Good advice is to run the dviD to a dvi monitor. The converter on Amazon doesn’t work. It’s not a bidirectional adapter. But I’m like you, I find myself only looking at the rig display. The 21” dvi monitor is nice but I find myself never looking at it. Haha.
Tim Factor says there is a fuse on board that is set at 150mA if you blow it the board needs to go to factory. so he recs two adapters...thats two...and i got the two....now i need a third male to male gender converter
Yaesu is gonna lose their Cust base with these kind of antics. 😡
I can't find any reports on the Internet regarding DVI output failures in either the FTDX101 series or the FTDX10. I have both radios and they use a DVI-to-HDMI cable with no converter built in and no problems encountered. No converter is necessary as the signals in both standards are the same and fully electrically compatible (CEA-861 standard). While I won't rule out that the DVI output may be failing on a few radios, I think it's highly unlikely that this is problem the larger body of owners needs to worry about.
Thanks Rick. There are a several hundred on the ftdx Facebook support group. Yaesu also will give you some realistic numbers. Some monitors are producing larger voltage to the dvi boards in the rig. Ie over 250ma. There is a fuse on the board. I’m also confused about why some rigs are affected sooner rather than later. After talking to yaesu , they have no plans to improve the problem or make a service notice about it. You are correct about the converter. As far as I know there is no such one that exist as of yet. I have viewed a few videos of people making their own.
@@JayN4GO I'm not on Facebook anymore, which would explain why I didn't see those posts; however, I find it strange that my searches failed to produce even one such reported failure outside of the Facebook support group. Is this a problem with the 5V supplied by the radio on Pin 14, as in the monitor drawing too much power? The specs call for the DVI port to be able to provide a minimum of 55ma and that the monitor draw no more than 50ma. I would assume the fuse in the radio is there to protect its DVI circuitry in case a monitor attempts to draw more than 50ma. Is it not doing its job or blowing too late? I would expect Yaesu to use essentially the same circuitry in the FTDX101D/MP and I find no reports of the DVD port failing for those models either. Don't get me wrong - it's not that I'm insisting that no problem exists in this area. I'm trying to understand the nature of the failures which are alleged to be occurring and how to best defend against it. If it's indeed a case of an HDMI monitor drawing too much power from the radio's DVI port, a monitor with a DVI port could just as easily draw too much power as well. It feels like Yaesu perhaps isn't taking this seriously because it is a problem caused by an out-of-spec HDMI monitor, although their protection circuitry (fuse) should still protect the port. To do otherwise would be especially poor design work. 73 de W7YP
I really can not see this. Dvid is video with out audio signal, HDMI is video with audio signal and probably some controlling signal. How would the DVI board be damaged? It does not add up to me. Please explain what caused the damage.
Hi Trev. Yaesu official commented today in the comments section. Hope it helps
@@JayN4GO to add to that cryptic reply, Tim at Yaesu saya that a fuse on board is set at150,A total, and apparently som monitors can supply back current bdown the cable and adapter that exceeds this limit. hdmi and dvid can be two way, not just one way commm/// hope this explains it better than see comments...
I've ordered a dvi to displayport cable
Can it directionally receive with a second antenna? Can it run the CW Skimmer APP which simultaneously decodes all CW on the band.
No on the second antenna. I think you’d have to tap the IF. You can run skimmer on the pc with it. It has a decoder built in but it’s not that great.
It would have cost less. However it was designed years ago when DVI was the high tech output.
Yeah I’m not sure when they really engineered this. With hdmi licensing fees, it would’ve been around .20 cents per rig. Oh well😁
Probably needs an update. HRO told me its tvs used as monitors that are the issue. Bought a dvi monitor anyway just to be sure!
Yeah I’ve used a dviD monitor and haven’t had a problem yet. So far
I've been using an old Dell that had VGA, so I got a VGA to DVI and so far no issues, not as good a display but it gets the job done. Have you heard of any issues using a VGA monitor?
Sadly yes , Tim. It might be a good time to check pawn shops or goodwill and look for that dvi monitor. I found mine on the marketplace for 30$. It’s an old dell also. Kind of pixelated for sure. I’ll be looking for one with sharper quality. Hehe
@@JayN4GO
Thanks for the reply.
The display isn't really that bad and quiet frankly I don't use it that much, I'll turn it on occasionally.
Will using an old, 2005 model, VGA monitor cause the same problems with the DVI board as the HDMI monitors or do you know?
Thanks again.
@@timsul3092 according to yaesu they are experiencing this with all cables except dvi to dvi.
@@JayN4GO Thanks for the info Jay, I do appreciate it. I will definitely keep my eyes open for a DVI monitor.🙄😁
@@timsul3092 good luck brother. Another thing to note is : run 10 pin din cable to amp and 8 pin to external tuner. There’s a lot of people selling 8 pin amp cables. A lot of proper cables are out of stock right now or on a sinking ship.
This might be a 1 year late but the hdmi carries current that vga/dvi-d do not carry and the hdmi current exceeds what the dvi chip can handle and it fries a tiny fuse on the motherboard. so do not use hdmi with the fxdx10. with that said do not use a cheap converter cable that uses maybe vga. why because it could pass static from the shack to the radio. ferrites are your friend
Replying to the Official Yaesu comment. If using the wrong cables blows a fuse.. Then surely the trip back to yaesu would only to be for a fuse replacement... Kindly explian to me why when I was using the correct cable my radio display went not once but twice... There I was without my radio the 1st time for almost 3 months, and I had only owned my radio for 3 weeks (Jan 2021). I got my radio back eventually and all was well until 4 weeks later when it done the exact same thing. After speaking with yaesu UK repair guy he explained he had to fit a brand new ENTIRE Board both times. Said it wasn't a matter of just replacing 1 output/part. 3 weeks ago my mates did the exact same thing using a dvi d to dvi d lead. Surely there had to be some explanation to the customers who have purchased these radios. I actually feel sorry for the guys that buy these radios second hand and have no warranty.. The amount of money they are going to loss on repairs will be colossal!!!
This is a huge concern about the boards frying with dviD to dviD. I’m thinking it has nothing to do with any cable adapters. Faulty boards are my assumption
@@JayN4GO when I was speaking to the repair guy asking when my radio would be returned he told me he had just ordered 10 new boards from Japan. They clearly had a few radios returned.. And this just months after release date.
@@DxIxNxGxO Good Lord man. It would be nice to hear what the main cause is.
@@DxIxNxGxO I spoke with yaesu USA Today and he advised he hasn’t had a single board fry with dviD to dviD. I emailed yaesu Japan in Japanese and they sent it to yaesu usa. May be a good time to start getting this info out on eham reviews.
Thanks for the tip, just cant find any unidirectional DVI to HDMI cables... 😢
I never found one. Just ended up getting a smaller dvi monitor
Jay, I really appreciate your video, thanks a ton. one thing: it could habe been said in 30 seconds, why 11mins.? with all respect for your valuable time in making this video, i‘d love to have seen this in under a minute. I hope I caused no hard feelings. all the best and thanks
Tnx Evan. Yeah I rambled too long In This video
Does it also come with a parallel port, a floppy drive and RCA jacks?
🤣
I had the same problem but with the FTDX101MP! If you think it’s bad to happen on a 1700 radio you should feel it on a darn near 5000 one! Yaesu treated me very well, as I’d only had the darn thing for about 3 months!
I’m glad they fixed it for you. Did you end up getting a different monitor or what happened?
@@JayN4GO I very easily found a monitor with a DVI port on Amazon and got it AND the exact cable that Yaesu recommended.
I've been using a DVI-D to HDMI adapter for over a year with no issues. I've read reports on other forums of people using DVI-D to DVI-D monitors and STILL having port failure and returning to Yaesu for repair. So even what Yaesu says to do is not guaranteed safe.
Very true!
Almost a year ago Yaesu U.K. released a video on youtube showing exactly how to connect a monitor to the FTdx10!!!
Yeah they sure did. Why there isn’t a bulletin about this is beyond me.
@@JayN4GO The problem for Yaesu is that if they issue a bulletin then they are acknowledging there’s an problem! 100% kudos to Icom when a small number of IC-7610 screens had a “burn in screen issue” Icom released a statement to say they would replace those affected free of charge even out of warranty claims……
@@richard5057 yeah I agree! Icom has always been top notch with their customers. Yaesu is getting a little far into the game now to post a bulletin. Their service dept would be 6 months behind. I guess they’re going to let it fly sadly.
Sorry I’m late to the party, but looking at the UK video it shows DVI to HDMI lead can be used. Yaesu USA seem to be sticking to just DVI - DVI only
Is it the lead or the actual ‘power’ drawn / fed back by the actual monitor that’s the issue?
Looking to add monitor to my 10 and can do both methods but don’t want to let the magic smoke out !!!
Thanks for info anoimg cw while making veido
Thanks Jack!
would a DVI to VGA cable be safe to use? I have a nice VGA monitor.
Yaesu told me no on that one too but I know several people that run the vga to dvi and haven’t had a problem yet. 🤷🏼♂️
Been using a DVI converter to HDMI for over a year. No issues.
That’s great Erin
Great video! d W2CSI
Hello
Ok so I’m confused. I’m looking to buy an Ftdx10 and have monitors from Samsung. With dvi d port. Display port. And hdmi port. So going from radio which is dvi to dvi on my monitor is ok?
Yep should be good with DviD to dviD. Enjoy your new rig
@@JayN4GO what about dvi-d to display port?
@@KB2AT Amazon Basics DVI to DVI Monitor Adapter Cable - 6.5 Feet (2 Meters) www.amazon.com/dp/B00IHMFIBY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_Y4QPS77S9CTZ2RHQNB1D?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
@@KB2AT yaesu advised me to not use anything except dviD to DviD. Sadly I had to buy an old monitor for the dx10
Very small issue compared to all the great things about the DX10.
Agree 100%. I do. no have a FTDX10 I have the 101MP. So the noise on this issue is the same so trying to find the facts from Yaesu is like pulling teeth. To your point , I received the video hub from Amazon yesterday that Tim recommend. To your point, and you validated it, it does not work for this setup. It is backwards, period. And in my case, I may jsut be a dimwit, but finding a smear monitor like 16" or so about impossible with a DVI-D port.
Yeah I question Tims knowledge about this. I found a dvi monitor on Facebook marketplace for like 15$. I think mine is a dell from year 2003 haha
@@JayN4GO had a friend get me in contact with a video company that he owns designing custom video computer systems. I sent and reviewed all this stuff about the issues with HDMI and DVI-D and what so called Yaesu says is the issue. He said hogwash on their excuse it has to be a defect in their video processing design. To be safe he said DVI-D monitor or if you want something less than 17” go VGA. Which is what I need. Thanks for your posting it gave me avenues to do more research for my needs. Lastly he said who in the heck would ever put a DVI output on a modern device is beyond his comprehension. Thx again !
Sir, i have an old Monitor its Dvi d at the rear. So is Dvi d to Dvi d the safe option
So far so good here
What about a DVI to VGA cable for my Dell monitor?
I think about any cable will work if it’s shielded well and the monitor is under 5v on pin 11. For some reason yaesu used a 0.6 amp fuse on the video output. I see they changed that to 1amp on the new 710. There’s a video on UA-cam showing a repair guy talk about the dx10 video fuse repair.
Yaesu have clearly done something wrong.
DVI HDMI is 100% compatible it is actually in the HDMI specification.
Just think of all those Older PC's that came with DVI, then HDMI came along
A BUDDY OF MINE HAD THAT SEEM THING HAPPEN.
Yaesu will NEVER admit there is a PROBLEM with the video-output !
REMEMBER the infamous ZEBRA-DISPLAY problem on the Yaesu FT-857 non D and D ???
They had a BIG PROBLEM with a chip on the ribbon cable leading to DISPLAY.
Til the end of production 2 years ago, only the last 2 or 3 produced batch had a NEW CHIP on the display ribbon.I was the lucky one to buy one of the latest but i buy-ed even a full display unit for just in case, with knobs and encoder.
First recomandation, NEVER connect or disconnect the cable between TRX and MONITOR before POWER OFF both.
Second, buy shielded cable, even the connectors should be properly shielded (aluminium case).
Third, cable must have ferrite beads on both ends.
Give the RFI no chance to return in video-output connector.
Yes I had the 857 that went zebra on me also. Some people could apply heat to the ribbon at the connector but that was a no go for me. 250$ replacement screen. That’s when I saw the shift in old engineers passing away and young hair brained taking their place. Hehe
When i saw resolution in pixels from that rig I knew they are bad with videos stuff. Also I hate how laggy is the 3d waterfall
@@JayN4GO the same amount but in euros i paid straight after purchased one of the last produced 857D whit new chip inside but this little thing is a keeper and i wanted a back-up reserve just in case.Now i'm a happy owner and i hope the tehnicians from Yaesu came with a solution for this video chipset output problem on FTDX-10.
There is no return voltage on a VGA cable so I believe that is a safer bet. I did not spend $$$ so I can have a used 10 year old junk monitor in my NEW shack.
Me too. I’m going to put a legacy sticker on the monitor. 1492. When Columbus arrived in America with the monitors.
Its a fuse that goes, I watched a guy repair one and its as small as the tiny capacitors
I believe it was a fuse that carries power to pin 16 on the dvdi-d port on the board
Yeah it is small. They put a 1amp fuse in the 710. Guess they learned something
Straight from Tim Factor....In his text to me he says that there is a fuse (!) that ?protects? the board from over current. its limit is 150mA..... and DVID to HDMI adapters may send an overcurrent thru and fry the fuse...requiring the repair. Its stupid, bean counter ish as we spend 5 grand for a rig and they could amortize the 19 cent fee to HDMI per unit very easily. but they don't.. so he sent a fix that requires TWO adapters to connect the HDMI monitor to the 101....but, when i received the two units, they both had female connectors, requiring me to get yet a third adapter maie to male.... I've yet to confirm this all works as I'm looking for a DVID monitor now...
Hi Rich! Yes I’ve been ran in circles by Tim to point I stopped. I even email yaesu Japan in Japanese. The cable decon shouldn’t work at all as it’s not bi directional. Maybe you can let me know how it does for you with all the adapters. I find it odd that the 7610 also has a dviD output and everyone I know runs a hdmi to dvi cable with the 7610s. I understand the technical aspect of the 150ma on board fuse but I’m not sure why they didn’t take the same basic approach Icom did. Or any other electronic device in history that converts from dviD to hdmi. I would just like people to be aware of this before purchasing. Had I known this prior, I’d opted for the k3s. I found a monitor with dviD but it looks pretty horrid. The aspect ratio is awful as well. The rig has a phenomenal rxer. But there are things I wish yaesu would address. Let me know if the cable decon works for you. You’re monitor probably won’t recognize the input if I’m guessing. 73
@@JayN4GO Wow thanks for the reply info. i might just buy a DVID capable monitor and use the 27 incher i bought for 101mp for my computer instead
W!RJT b !!!!!!
you can get new monitors with dvi . . you should change your title to "external monitor issue"
I already have a new monitor. Had to buy an old one with dvi. Unlike the Icom 7600 7610, yaesu needs dvi straight. No converters. Therefore people should know the monitor board issue “in the radio”.
@@JayN4GO you could have got a brand new computer monitor with DVI-D input with modern resolution like your newer monitors for $90 at BestBuy and off Amazon (ViewSonic VA2055SM 20 Inch LED Monitor with DVI-D Input) . but its good you got a computer monitor because that's what DVI-D input should be use with the FTDX10. DVI-D is still popular on gaming graphics cards in the USA. I use DVI-D out to my DVI-D monitor input from my new nvidia RTX GPU 3080. To use HDMI you have to pay a royalty to HDMI for every radio made it's a owned name. which would drive up the price of the radio more. 24+1 Dual Link is best DVI-D cord
I find it very interesting comments are being screened and deleted. Comments on this video.
I think it’s only your comments. Might want to look into why that is Davy. No, my external dvi port is not blown. I actually research and get facts before posting. You’re welcome to join the ftdx10 group if you’d like to hear from hundreds of people that are blowing their dvi boards using hdmi to dvi.
@@JayN4GO Listen, we are all brothers in this hobby we call ham radio. I've said nothing negative about the video, only normal comments and questions. I've asked for you to list the sources mentioned in the video, and gave proof that I am a ftdx10 owner - and my post was deleted (Who wouldn't be concerned). I'm not saying you are wrong, or that this isn't happening. I'm just asking for help finding what it is you are describing. Only after I came back and said my post was deleted were you helpful in saying to joining a ftdx10 group. I guess I will just be happy about that and move on, but still I have a red flag going off. In the meantime, I will disconnect the monitor until I find more information, and appreciate you bringing it to everyone's attention because apparently something is going on with the FTDX10 and a non DVI-D monitor. BTW - DVI-D
@@davidc5027 there’s definitely ground tracing or voltage running through some of the adapters. The board shows 0 ohm resistors which are basically jumpers. Yaesu told me that they don’t even know why exactly. Maybe some of the Chinese hdmi to dviD adapters are faulty but unlikely all of them. It is signal to signal trace on the cables. I know that a few devices that used hdmi to dvi in the past had a small rep for burning things up. Tim at yaesu said they are coming in for repair daily but didn’t elaborate on the exact cause. Apparently the engineers don’t know why either. I’m just curious as to how many units will come in before they say anything at all. Even a warning sticker over the dvi port would help a bit I would think. I’ve found it’s like beating a dead horse with yaesu. Unfortunate Bc this is a great rig.
To clear up the DVI cable issue once and for all here is the data and details of options for cables to be used.
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Bottom line if the converter power consumption is too high(see formula below) it will blow the radio’s internal monitor fuse and the means a trip back to Yaesu.
The issue with connecting a non DVI-D to DVI-D monitor to your radio is your radio has a 150mA internal protection fuse that protect the main-board when a high voltage DVI-D to HDMI/VGA adapter is used. If this fuse is open it will require your radio to be returned to Yaesu for service.
So....
Is the converter voltage correct?
Formula.
MAX converter Power Consumption/5 not greater then 150mA- example 700mW .700/5=140mA
To help you select the correct converter and cable, please check these links to a converter and cable Yaesu knows to be compatible with your radio.
CABLEDECONN Multi-Function DisplayPort Dp to HDMI/DVI/VGA Male to Female 3-in-1
You will need a DVI-D MALE to DVI-D MALE CABLE Adapter Converter Cable
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DVI-D to VGA CABLE
Formula:
MAX converter Power Consumption/5 not grater then 150mA- example 700mW .700/5=140mA
NOTE: REQUIRES MALE-MALE DVI-D CABLE
DVI to VGA Cable, PeoTRIOL Active DVI 24+1 to VGA Adapter Cable, DVI-D Male
VGA Male Converter with Chip, Compatible with DVI Desktop PC DVD to 15 Pin D-SUB VGA Monitor HDTV Projector - 6 Feet
NOTE: These are NOT Yaesu products nor does Yaesu sell or endorse these products. Yaesu cannot guarantee workmanship or proper operation or that it will NOT cause damage. We suggest using a DVI only cable connected to a true DVI port on the monitor type device.
Thanks for posting John. Do you mind demonstrating this on your weekly channel with the cable decon?
Yaesu could have saved EVERYONE a lot of trouble by putting an hdmi plug on the back of the radio for an extra 29 cents.
Hi, trying to make sure I understand: So the problem is that various DVI--->"Another video interface format" adapters draw too much current (more than 150mA) from the radio DVI interface?? Is this the only concern?
@@SparkyRF to my knowledge. However the Icom 7610 I believe uses dviD. The best I understand, any“adapter” pushes more than 150ma. Causing the board to blow. Interestingly enough, I’ve never had anything with hdmi or vga to dviD to burn up in the audio video industry.
you really cocked this up..........and don`t get me started on your cockup with my 857 screens........ you should provide an add on converter for all dx10s and replacement screen kits for all 857`s.... the dx10 is my last yaesu radio... as you do not care about customers............i have 3 dead 857`s now with the screen issue and i picked up my dx10 brand new because of the waterfall ... 2 months later I stiill can`t find a large enough monitor with dvi any where near to me.... FAIL.
Almost 30 days since this was posted and how many...how many people went out and did exactly what you told them not to do......they put so much faith in 1 person when that person was completely wrong.........i have dell 21 and 22 inch monitor wit the dvi con on the back of them.....yaesu will not append any hardware in the radios.........if the radio was clearly not meant to be conned to a dvi monitor only they would have made that comment in the manual....now the news is if you buy one of these used how will you know if the board is not working until you get it and plug your dvi monitor in it and it does not work...things to think about.....we need more truth seekers!!!!....your vids are the truth......a squeaky wheel always get the grease!!!!.....i have a 991a and a 991 both are for sale and i want a dx10 solely for the dvi output instead of me using sdr uno
Thanks man. Yeah buying them used is going to be a real problem. This is the first rig I’ve purchased new. It’s good for people to be aware. The rig is awesome in performance but their engineers seem to cut corners when they can.
My external monitor feature quit recently and I had been using a DVI cable? Dangit! KN4UXO
That sucks ! What brand of monitor did you use?
@@JayN4GO Viewsonic
@@JayN4GO Viewsonic
Warning Warning Warning
That sucks
New computers monitor ViewSonic VA2055SM 20 Inch LED Monitor with DVI-D Input are only around $90. To use HDMI you have to pay a royalty's to HDMI for every radio made it's a owned name.
Yeah. I just picked one up from the marketplace for 20$. Should work for the resolution of these things.
@@JayN4GO new one would upscale ftdx10 output to native high resolution monitor . if this is or was a some kind of video output DAC problem in the ftdx10 they already did or will resolve the situation in a hardware revision. video out put DAC's are petty straight forward so it may have been a problem with the chip vender for the video DAC they use. I just got a FTDX10 myself and its a newer manufacture date. I will open it up and check the hardware version soon.
Shame on Yaesu
Hmmmm do not know what you got going on but I have not had any shit you talk about with this radio. Got my cable at Best-Buy Same day I got the FTDX10 a week after this radio came out. maybe I got a good one but what you have going on I do not know 73.
top of the line technology in sdr and they put crap old tech dvi instead of hdmi and 4k output. stupidest design ever.
I agree
There is no issue! Read the manual, external monitor must be DVI! 11:20 of nonsense...
Here’s 4 minutes of more nonsense from Yaesu themselves. Enjoy
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Typical Yaesu
Indeed. Typical
Don´t blame the radio but yourself. A DVI port is for a DVI monitor, not for VGA, not for BAS, not to plug in a TV.
Interesting enough, even dvi monitors are frying the dvi board now.
@@JayN4GO link to post?
@@JayN4GO Even the DVI monitors? So for those that have the FTDX10 is it now recommended to not hook up ANY external monitors?
@@zestokasis1 I would run a dvi monitor only. Maybe yaesu will do something when they have a shop full of 10s.
@@JayN4GO Thanks Jay, I appreciate the advice and reply. 👍
I don't trust Yaesu. My FT-897 went bad years ago.
I have trouble trusting them as well.