Rumors Say New York Islanders Forward Brock Nelson Wants to Test the Free Agent Market This Summer
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2024
- Rumors from Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic indicate that New York Islanders center Brock Nelson wants to test the free agent market this summer. How does that change the approach the Islanders should have to the trade deadline, the rest of the season and even whether Nelson should play in the 4 Nations Tournament.
Plus, who are some other players the Isles could and should look to move before the trade deadline and what are some of the obstacles Lou Lamoriello put in place to make that tougher?
Plus we update Cole Eiserman and Danny Nelson's performance at the WJCs and preview this weekend's home and home series with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
All this and more on today's Locked On Islanders Podcast with Gil Martin.
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Spot on Gil ! We need to trade and retool this team! Get younger, bigger, stronger! We must rebuild this house of cards!!!!!
It's overdue, Ottobee709. Now it has to happen whether Lou finally wakes up (not holding my breath) or his successor does it. Thanks for the comment and LGI.
Gil, I agree with your comments on Brock Nelson. As a means of developing the future, trade him now for draft picks and/or younger players. While the team is at it, the same approach should be taken with JGP, Palmieri and Engvall (good luck on that one). The RFAs need to be re-signed as well, but don't go crazy with the no-trade clauses dished out in the past. The trade deadline is creeping up. Bite the bullet and begin the rebuild!
Package Engvall with one of the others? One could hope.
I agree with you johnsantamaria9370. It is time to retool and Brock, Palms, Pageau, and maybe Lee, all should be part of it. I wish someone would take Engvall, but the Isles will probably have to buy him out this offseason. That means 10 years of him counting against the cap at a reduced rate. Thanks for the comment and LGI.
Hope yes, realistically expect? Probably not. Thanks for the comments, anticensorshipsociety. LGI
I know I commented earlier but I would like to thank Mr Nelson for his services with this team and respect him a lot for being honest and knowing that by Lou being stubborn he’s forcing Lou to trade him for assets that will help this teams future, if only Tavares had done the same.
Well said kpowers9215. Nelson has done a lot for this franchise since he's been here. Thanks for the comment and LGI
We can’t sign 2 - 34 year olds and commit $ and term to them and they know it. Certainly with the make up of this team and current performance. We need to trade Nelson and Palmeri and get some picks and prospects. No option.
Spot on, MichaelG-o6o. It's past time to make this team younger, faster, and more skilled. Thanks for the comment and LGI
Squeez the Wild and get what we can, don’t resign him, he’s going to be a forever loved on Long Island, thanks Gil , Fire Sale For the Islanders this year at the trade deadline and stop winning games and Tank so we get in the 1st round
That's what should happen, Raymond, but Lou will not do a fire sale. Thanks for the comment, have a great weekend and LGI.
Like I said before trade 29 and 21 while they will provide value, I’d even try to ship Lee if possible even if you have to absorb 2 million of his salary, 18 should be bought out after this season and hopefully we continue to tank for James hagens although they say any of the top 4 picks you can’t go wrong with, with some much needed cap space they can be contenders if they sign the right players in free agency, or trade for a guy like Shane pinto, you think eiserman will be ready next year?
I'd make all of those moves, kpowers9215, but Lou probably won't. If Brock insists he wants to test the market, he may force Lou's hand but if the Isles are even remotely close to a playoff spot at the deadline, I wonder if he'd still hang on to Brock and Palms to try to sneak in. I think Eiserman is at least a year or two away after this season. Check out our 12/25 show with Hadi of LO NHL Prospects for more on that. Thanks for the comment and LGI.
I think Brock's time with the Islanders is coming to an end. Lou needs to be creative to get the most in a deal now. There are many teams out there that he can help for a push to a Stanley Cup. If we lose him for nothing at the end of the season that would be a travesty. Have a great weekend GIL. LGI
Spot on Darrell. Now we'll see how Lou handles this situation. If he loses Brock for nothing, that's a fireable offense. Thanks for the comment and LGI
Good morning team! Gil, honestly, I don't blame Nelson for testing the waters. He must have a thought something would be on the horizon for him this season. I truly wish he was playing better, as in previous years. His stock may have gone down a bit. Of course I'm going to wish him, and any other current Islander well, if they remain an Islander or not. I saw your reply to my comment yesterday. I don't think we're going to take 3 points from the Pens this weekend either, but I'm hopeful lol. Everyone, have a great day today and weekend. Enjoy the games. See you all again Monday. Until then.. Let's Go Islanders!!
We do kind of own the Pens in the way other certain other teams seem to own us. The inconsistent nature of the season tells me they will be fine this weekend and crap the bed against the Leafs after, though the Isles also do well against the Leafs strangely enough. if it were Nashville and Seattle I wouldn't even hope for a point as we never beat those two, as an example.
Tony, I also would wish Brock well wherever he ends up, except when he faces the Isles. It won't be easy to take 3 points against the Penguins. They are playing better lately, but hopefully the Isles respond to their no show against Buffalo. Thanks for the comment, Tony, have a great weekend and LGI.
The way this team beats certain teams that are better than they are and struggles against teams below them in the standings is part of the strange saga that is the modern Islanders. Thanks for the comment, anticensorshipsociety. LGI
I completely agree with pretty much everything you said needs to be done before the trade deadline.
The problem is that if Lou Lamarello is still the GM by the time the trade deadline rolls around, he will just sit on his hands as the deadline passes, and then tell the media that there were no deals that to him made sense to be made and we will be stuck in the muddy middle until serious changes are made!!
So I would like to see someone replace Lou Lamarello and not his son Chris! I'm sorry, but nepotism is not needed here!
I agree that Pierre Engvall needs to be bought out. I felt like you did they gave him too much term and money being at best a 3rd liner!!
I agree mst3knislesfan1. The time for change was a year or two ago, in my opinion, but it has to be done before the trade deadline. The longer the team waits to make moves, the longer the retool will take and the lower value the trade chips will have. Heck, Brock will leave for nothing if he isn't traded at the deadline. Thanks for the comment and LGI.
I remember asking on this podcast after D. Nelson was drafted, “will he every play a game with B. Nelson?” I’m guessing that is now quite doubtful.
Not looking too promising at this point, but you never know what twists and turns things could take. Thanks for the comment, Thomas and LGI.
They can't allow another Taveras situation and lose him for nothing. If there were any debate it should be put to rest now.
For sure, anticensorshipsociety1063. Now Lou has to make it happen. Thanks for the comment and LGI
Didn’t you mention the maple leafs looking for a center for Brock Nelson well I guess it was a maybe?
Yes, they are rumored to be interested. No doubt Brock would be a highly desired player if he was available at the trade deadline. Thanks for the comment, manicknickofficial9528. LGI
Hey Gil - I'd say trade Nelson to Toronto and hopefully we can get a 2nd round pick along with Nic Robertson. It's not an ideal trade but you'd get younger and quicker.
I'd do that, ssbouncer31. But will Lou? And will Toronto go for it. I know Robertson wants to be moved so he can play more. The Isles would give him that chance. Thanks for the comment and LGI
I think the most important and best decision the ownership can make moving forward is to get rid of LOU. Lou was a great manager but I think he has struggled to adjust to the salary cap era. In today’s NHL it takes a different approach to managing a team to be successful for years to come and I just think Lou is set in his old ways and it just doesn’t work. The long term contracts with no trade/no movement clauses are a killer. There is no incentive or no pressure on the players to preform day in and day out because no matter what they get to stay. Yes I get it, players build lives in the communities they live in for 4,5,6 years or longer but at the end of the day it’s a business and you need to give the players a reason to want to perform at the highest level if they want to keep playing here and those that don’t should be moved. Like you said Gil, players over a long time get too comfortable because they know it will be status quo no matter how they play. The ownership needs to start thinking about the future of this team and start making decisions now to position the organization for long term success in the future. A full rebuild is what’s needed.
I agree, Drew, it's past time to move on from Lou. He hasn't handled the cap well at all. And the culture and atmosphere needs to change. I'll believe Lou is gone when I see it. The retool/rebuild needs to happen and soon. Thanks for the comment and LGI.
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It is time, chrisferrandino9563. I appreciate everything Brock has done for this team over the years, but the team needs to retool and rebuild. Thanks for the comment and LGI
I'm not sure what the Islanders could have gotten anything for Wahlstrom
Not much. Even a 7th round pick is better than nothing. Thanks for the comment and LGI
Brock Nelson has only ten goals and ten assists. They'd be lucky to get a 2nd pick.
He also scored 30 or more goals in the last 3 seasons. He's an ideal rental and if he plays with talented linemates. I think they'll get a first for him assuming he shows a little more life between now and the deadline. Thanks for the comment, MrAschiff. LGI
@@LockedOnIslanders He's got to pick it up.
If we don't trade Nelson by the deadline, it's a missed opportunity to retool for the future, because this Isles team has run it's course. Talent, youth and speed is what this team lacks, so throw the towel in this year and lets build a better future. Nelson will fetch a 1st round pick from certain teams, maybe not from every playoff team, but certain ones for sure.
Spot on saultrockcity. Now we'll see if Lou actually makes the right move or continues to dig a deeper hole for this organization. Thanks for the comment and LGI.
I would trade Nelson before the tournament
Me, too, Thomas, but what will Lou do? Thanks for the comment and LGI
Gm Gil. If true, he's earned that opportunity. Frankly, he's given more than he's gotten from the team. This team should be sellers not buyers and should mean everyone except Sorokin. Given the poor performance of the team, only the very young and promising players should be kept....I disagree, knowing Lou, I could see a 5 year 7mil per season.
Me, too Eric. And would be a bad choice for this team. They can't let Lou continue to run the team. Thanks for the comment and LGI.
I don’t blame him, yeah, he was on a Canadian team recently. A guy like him can add some scoring punch to a contenders third or fourth line. We had no Brocktober and I think he is just tired of Lou. And yep, they better get something for him now unlike exposing Wahlstrom and getting nothing for him Lou! Don’t think the Stars, maybe the Wild or even a team that is on the rise like Chicago or Utah or even Columbus or Nashville to be under Barry Trotz again.
Plenty of candidates to acquire Brock. Toronto also has been mentioned. We'll see. We cannot afford to lose him for nothing and signing him to a new deal makes no sense for this team right now. Do I trust Lou to get it right? I'm not holding my breath. Thanks for the comment, Alex. LGI
Yes I think we get a second round pick for nelson.and palmieri must be traded for a 1st rd pick .and a young scorer. And trade the other bums also.
I hope we can get a first rounder for both Palms and Nelson but we'll see what happens. We need picks, younger players and prospects and we need to move on from vets. Thanks for the comment, Mercy and LGI.
Let him go!!! Try and get something for him he is not contributing anything to the team anyway. He has always been to streaky a player for my liking anyway.
It's time to move on. I hope this happens at or before the trade deadline. Thanks for the comment, 2tellthetruth-is2um. LGI
Lou needed to trade Brock Nelson yesterday! There is no way we can afford to lose another asset for nothing. We're in last place with a 7.9% chance of making the playoffs. Time to start the fire sale.
Past time, but I'll believe it when I see it. Would it surprise you if Lou tries to extend Brock and Palmieri? Thanks for the comment, Another_User_Name_. LGI
@@LockedOnIslanders It wouldn't surprise me. That would be an absolute disaster! And I like both players, but we need to get younger and shed some salary.
Can you blame him?
Not at all, Danfromoverthere. Thanks for the comment and LGI
Good. 29 can force louzer's hand to make a trade at tdl. Should be plenty of interest in 29 as 2 c added depth scorer in top 6 for contender even tho most contenders lack picks/prospects. Laffs, jets, la possible. Move 21 as well. No excuse to keep or sink more $$$'s for 2 fwds. approaching mid 30's. No telling what louzer will do since he has no grasp of or how to read trade market. No one knows how many trades louzer has turned down last two tdl's. Could have moved 24 probably 40 as well in '22. 44 last tdl. fkn buffoon of a gm.
At least eisermann is lighting it up. Isles finally have a true blue chip prospect. First one since who knows when...
Steven, I agree if Brock wants to test the market, that could be a positive development. Palms should also be traded. Lee and Pageau maybe Pelech or Pulock but not both. We need Lou to be replaced otherwise I fear none of these moves will be made or worse yet, extensions could be coming to some of these players. Thanks for the comment Steven and LGI.
If Lou doesn't trade Brock and a couple of others he's guilty of malpractice and it has to be because he's old and cares not for the future.
It would be malpractice, but I'm not sure what Lou's going to do. Knowing him, he'd rather give both Nelson and Palmieiri new deals. I hope the team does the right thing, with or without Lou. Thanks for the comment, veritasinvicta. LGI
Trade him, maybe a package deal with Matthew Maggio to get the most out of it. Maggio is a mirage, 3rd or 4th liner at best. Hoping Isles prospects stay in college, Bridgeport is hockey's toxic waste dump for forwards. Can somebody remind me how Louzer is different from Garth Snow? Same outcome.
We never have any good prospects in Bridgeport
The results have not been good the last 3 plus years. Lou and Trotz did get this team on 2 nice playoff runs. Adding Maggio to a trade would be fine with me. Not sure what value he has. Bridgeport is doing poorly...again. Change is needed and everybody not named Lou Lamoriello knows it. Thanks for the comment, marymarzulli7895. Have a great weekend and LGI.
It's been a while. Thanks for the comment, mikeybombers2529. LGI
Brock is on down side. Very inconsistent. Some games he is invisible. Same with Pailmairi, as well as Pelech, Cizikas. Also is Kyle MacLean really a NHL caliber player,even 4 th liners
MacLean has not played as well as last season for sure. He still has a lot to prove. Time to move on from some of these veterans and get younger, faster, and more skilled. Thanks for the comment, thormanism. LGI
If that's his desire ... trade him now ... period. This team does not have the depth or skill set needed to do anything this year anyway ... buh-bye Brock ... I can think of four or five guys that can go with you and not change the dynamic of this team anyway ... c'ya.
Now it's up to Lou to actually make a deal. I don't know if he'll make a deal, even if Brock does say he'll test the market this summer. Thanks for the comment, gallegorider149.
Failed Islander GM did this! All the bad contracts. Losing assets for nothing. However, the "players earned the right" the weak culture, happened b4. No coach can be successful w/this roster. Isles need toughness too. Pelech & Pulock need to be told they will be buried in minors or accept a deal. Pelech first but would dump.both asap.
None of that will happen under Lou. We need a new GM ASAP. The team needs to be rehauled to get younger, faster and more skilled. This core maxed out 4 years ago. Thanks for the comment and LGI.