Is There An East Coast Bias Against Southern and West Coast Hip-Hop?
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2023
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Addressing if there is, or has been an East Coast bias in Hip-hop against the South and West Coast.
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Great topic and great video. I'm from the East Coast and grimey Boom Bap East Coast Hip-Hop is my bread and butter. BUT I absolutely adore Southern and West Coast Hip-Hop and other regions as the Midwest for that matter. I own a plethora of non East Coast albums and I always been this way since the age of 10 in '95. I see East Coast bias still going on today. Which is pathetic in my personal opinion. This is the main reason why we cover all coasts on my pod, Also Ghetty Green getting two mics and a half in The Source is lame. Such a joke lol.
Thanks G. That’s one of the things I appreciate about your pod. As hiphop junkies we would sure be in trouble if we only liked one region lol.
@@hip-hophistorybuff Big Facts my g
what no way! they gave Project Pat Ghetty Green 2 mics? let me guess Benzino was hating on the south too huh
Yes , because Southern and West Coast rap is more based in feeling, direct messaging over "wordplay", and musicality. Southern folks are surrounded by a wide range of music from birth, and are informed by southern music that is often all about difficulty, and repeated phrases meant to cause an emotional response. NYC are overly infatuated with hearing themselves talk.
Appreciate your perspective
I’d say with the heavy soul influence that southern rap is more focused on musicality.
@@raymonds7492 makes sense
Facts
True enough 🤔
If you truly love Hip-Hop you'll love all regions of Hip-Hop including overseas Hip-Hop simple as that
Agreed
I always loved the southern and the west coast Los Angeles California gangsta rap. Also the midwestern r&b music today! It's was legitimately dope. I also downloaded all 5 them. Including my hometown Baltimore Maryland. Clubhouse
I love NYC. It's like my second home, and I love the people there. I gotta be honest though. They always have their noses up in the air. They think the world revolves around them
Lol word
I love both the west coast and the south
Same
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In the current era I've notice East Coast bias most prevalently in the ranks of all-time greatest album and artist list of most major publications. Those list usually rank too many New York artist or albums too high on their list, while placing more deserving artist or albums from other regions too low.
Well said. Completely agree
@@hip-hophistorybuff Thanks.
Keep up the good work
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70s-Early 2000s NY is and will always be the best Hip Hop ever. Its the birthplace of Hip Hop, the most actively participating place in Hip Hop etc etc. To say that isn't being biased.
It is the birthplace and they set the standard for lyricism no doubt and because of that there were some folks who didn’t want to hear other regions. lol. Those are the cats I’m talking about and I feel in the 90s it was definitely a thing.
Bias for sure. East coast has always been my favorite even though I'm from out west. The grimey east is my preference. But I listen to hip hop from everywhere, if it has energy, it'll be on rotation, no doubt
No doubt bro. Now being on the west, were their some west coast artists you listened to who didn’t get love from east coast heads?
@@hip-hophistorybuff I gotta think about that...maybe Spice One and AMG...hard so say
Spice was one of them.
@@shawnorjiakor Yeah, no doubt bro. I'm trying to think 🤔 of others
@@jessesteele7269 Okay makes sense…now I owned some spice 1 albums but never actually bought AMG. I remember liking JT the Biggs Figga’s dwelling in the labb and ray luv’s foreva hustlin.
Love your channel
Thanks my G
I'm in my 40s I have a lot to say on this topic.
Been listening to Hip Hop since maybe 81-82. I grew up in Florida in the 80s & 90s so I think I have a fair take on this.
New York is the mecca, New York is the template, New York is the genesis but New York people are arrogant. Florida was filled with them. I think alot of the attitude towards NYC music has a lot to do with the people from there. All the music sounds great to a kid who grew up in Florida. We had 2 Live Crew, Poison Clan, Magic Mike & Jam Pony mixtapes.We loved it, it felt like home. The part of that love that made it not fun was the reactions from the New York transplants towards anything that wasn't from the 5 boroughs. To this day I feel like most of the 2 Pac fans are deep down New York haters. I think their hatred toward how New York cats behave goes hand in hand for their love for 2Pac.
2Pac became a big star after going to jail for the rape thing. I always viewed 2Pac as a west coast artist and never knew he originated from the east mainly because of that Get Around song he did with Shock G (RIP). I grew up in south Georgia so I know about 2 Live Crew, we had a lot of Bootyshake music up here too. Big Gipp from Goodie Mob is a prime example of what you speak on about how many heads dont like New York because of how New York treats everyone else.
I think the south embraced Westcoast rap ingeneral for this reason..
Appreciate you weighing in on this. I could see some New Yorkers being that way.
@@Malcolm_LaFlare Yeah PAC’s music always felt west coast even though he was technically from NY. I have some Houston friends who feel like GIPP does about New York.
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The south has been running hip hop for 24 years now everyone sounds like the south now
Bro, I love this and this needs over 100 million views. The south been running the game since 1997 and it started with Master P and no limit.people don’t realize that the majority of black Americans live in the south, and that’s what we wanted to listen to. We didn’t have a voice in the beginning but when we got our Voice, you couldn’t tell us nothing.if you look at it, the south makes the most money and it sets the trend. before New York made the most money and set the trend but since 1997, we took over, now the only thing New York really has is politics. Meaning the media .they still won’t give usrespect. you will never see a southern rapper in peoples top 10 or best album of the year or anything like that besides, maybe Lil Wayne Outkast or Scarface. but yes there is bias towards the south. But you can’t do anything about it in the end .the south would never fall because there’s too many Black people living in the south and that’s what we know and love and we like to listen to people who sound like us.
Appreciate your perspective bro. I know personally when I review southern artists on this channel who have more of a southern sound, those videos will get less views and comments than an artist who has more of a New York sound. Happens every time, lol.
Cool and interesting topic, I think it's best to hear what you feel or after the harmony, everyone should also hear something new, there are so many different sounds these days. To Tha Alkaholiks, I don't think the sound sounds 100% Westcoast, but I feel that sh.., the crew is mega!!!!📾
Why I never a comparison between the South vs West vs East? It’s always East vs West.
The media tends to talk about East Vs West primarily more likely due to the Biggie and Pac beef and that infamous vibe cover. That’s my guess.
I grew up in Miami trust me I saw the hating against the South first hand..BTW I loved Murder Dog mag. They put me up on a lot of good stuff.
I had some issues of Murder Dog forsure. I still saw aspects of this bias during the verzuz battles to be honest. The lox and dipset got way more views and attention than Ugk vs. Ball and G. Now could that have been because the UGK verzuz happened later on in the verses when less people watched them? or was it because Ugk and ball and G don’t get as much love outside their region? Or was it because they aren’t considered as lyrical? 🤔 I got all these questions lol
Great topic and video. First and foremost... every fan (from any region) has a bias. It's normal and it's not always a bad thing because people should have some pride from where they're from or the lane they love the most.
With that being said... My answer is somewhat yes even though Southern bias takes the cake for several years now. While I do believe the East Coast has some validity with their biasness, the region has became a contradiction of itself while upholding their status as the foundation. There are lots of examples where and why they're at this current position.
Thanks bro. No doubt. I hear what you are saying about a southern bias being more prevalent in more recent years. I feel that comes from younger folks and casuals who want a certain type of vibe. They aren’t likely to want to hear more traditional sounds, as they consider it old.
@@hip-hophistorybuff I get it. But, people gotta stop underestimating the youth on what sound they listen to the most. There are young cats such as myself that do listen to boom bap. And I'm a hip hop head from LA.
@@hip-hophistorybuff East Coast was my favorite region in Hip-hop at one point. Nowadays, it's 1a and 1b between East and West.
@@shawnorjiakor That’s a fair point. Just curious, who are you listening to now that’s out of LA?
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It’s never been a bias with me cause I listen to everybody but I will admit I get a lot of my inspiration from rappers up north like Chicago and New York even tho I love my southern rappers music cause why wouldn’t I? Lol but I think it just all comes down to which region you listen to more and to me it’s 50/50
I feel what you are saying. This bias isn’t as noticeable today but I still feel it exists…especially when I upload a review for trap artist who has bars, but some traditional fans wouldn’t give the artist the time of day. There’s a flip side to that also where some trap and drill listeners immediately tune out traditional boom bap, which is also wack.
@@hip-hophistorybuff Definitely I hear you there seems to be a lot of hate towards trap music in general which will immediately turn some rap fans off because trap is not just club music or something to turn up to… rappers that I heard and that I like be actually saying something wit substance over trap melodic beats or they always got a message behind it… so for boom bap I can respect it I think it’s always been dope but it’s dominated by trap now so that sound of boom bap is pretty outdated when you look at the consumption of hip hop music these days
Traditional boom bap has definitely made a big resurgence since about 2018, but it hasn’t replaced trap as the mainstream sound in the streets. While Griselda will get some love in the hood, they aren’t getting played from the average young listener as much as Durk, Youngboy, G Herbo, etc. some of those younger listeners are going to view boom bap as outdated..I can definitely see that.
@@hip-hophistorybuff definitely I love boom bap and all but it’s not what I’m playing music wise mostly in my day… and your right Griselda is dope… Benny, Conway, westside and the rest are dope but it’s just not what gets played predominantly nowadays unfortunately lol and I’m glad you and other older fans can respect some of the younger artists that I love and not be so judging that’s wassup
People from a certain generation will always have an "East Coast" bias because...that's the sound that we grew up on, so for us, even if we listen to modern hip hop, we might have preference towards something like the Griselda sound.
That being said, Outkast is great, Snoop is great, Cube is great, and if were to extend that conversation to a more modern league of rappers, Wayne is great, Game (as a rapper) is usually great, Kendrick is great... so that "bias" is more just where we believe that the foundation of our love for hip hop was built on. (IMO)
I feel what you are saying..Folks are going to gravitate towards the style that resonated with them the most. I just know that some east coast heads didn’t deem some southern artists as lyrical at all..mainly due to accents, different style of production and what the source said.
Well what classifies as "East Coast" and "Southern" Hip Hop? Because the southern states SC, NC, VA, and Maryland identified and were more influenced by East Coast Hip Hop/rap. Also, everything from Maine down to Florida is the East Coast.
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Appreciate your insight bro. Damn I had no idea Biggie did that 🤯. Eightball is so slept on as a lyricist. I’ll admit I have to do the knowledge more on Luke.
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Seems like it there is a East Coast bias🤨
East Coast is just better. It's there Hip Hop was developed, it's there most of great artists come from.
Nas, Wu Tang Clan, The Notorious B.I.G., Public Enemy, Lauryn Hill, MF DOOM, Mobb Deep, Mos Def, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Jay-Z, Aesop Rock...
There're great artist in the West Coast, South and Midwest. But the East Coast still on the top of the genre.
I'm from the South I don't listen to the West Coast way different Chicago get more play here than west or east
East Coast got the better rappers, South got the better music!
The South killed hip hop. Period! 🤷🏿♂️
You can have your preference but to generalize that a region killed hiphop proves this bias is still a real thing.
Tbh da south just had alot of wack rapper... as soon as da south took over rap hip/hop went to shit... even now when u check out reactions to most of Southern rap from that era shit 2as trash af
It makes me mad when y'all say South and west we ain't nothing the same at all we don't listen to Kendrick Lamar gotti, NBA,Gucci, moneybag not even close to Cali man
There’s no bias… Hip-Hop was created in The Bronx. We always messed with Ice-T… NWA only got pushback because of the jherri curls! On the east coast you gotta come correct. Ice Cube got love as soon as he cut the curl… Snoop was immediately loved… Outkast was immediately loved! You just have to have skills… East Coast we tough on each other. Us in Jersey and our neighbors in Philly had to literally fight NY to get their respect… And Staten Island, Long Island and Queens had to fight Brooklyn, Harlem and The Bronx for theirs! Scarface always got love!
All valid points bro. I still feel that there was a bias in the 90s when we talk about mic ratings, and by the way some purists would judge an emcees skills outside their region. I’m not talking all, but there are some who fit that description of having this bias. The east coast definitely set the standard for lyricism there’s no denying that. I feel Face, outkast always got that love from New York but other ones not as much.
@@hip-hophistorybuff All facts! Yeah media and publications… Yes. I agree… But I guess I’m bias because I agreed with those ratings in most instances lol.
@@wc6081 I’ll be honest I slept on some of the hypnotize minds and no limit releases when I saw those ratings…I thought I’ll just save my money. lol….but a few years after when I was in college I gave them a chance and liked some of them…but I was always open to suave house and rapalot stuff and bought them when they dropped.
@@hip-hophistorybuff Loved Devin the Dude… And he always got great ratings… Didn’t like Cash Money literally till BG… Then I went and listened to Juvenile and was pleasantly surprised…. but when they came out I looked at them as country… And they were lol… So yeah I guess you right there is and was a bias… But Cash Money really got love out the gate on the east coast… Jeezy too… I just think East Coast when I was coming up you had to be nice lyrically… Then once Master P and Juvenile came we wasn’t so caught up in mic skills like that per se.
"On the east coast you gotta come correct"
according to East coasters with no definition of what "correct" is.
Ice Cube's rhyme value went up by changing his hairstyle per East Coaster....
"You have to have skills"
skills only approved by the random East Coaster
There is an east coast bias but as it should be. I love the west and south but when you add up the sheer amount of classics from the east and compare it to that of the south and west, it’s not a competition.
Good point..But I’d say there were great albums from the south and the west that didn’t get highlighted during this time due to the bias.
@@hip-hophistorybuff definitely bro. But if you add up the total classics from the east and the legendary rappers from the east, I don’t even think if you combine west and south it would be as much as the east coast
Who determines what is a "Classic"? Some random guy from New York? Why disregard someone else's "classic" because you dont know them?
@@Malcolm_LaFlare where am I saying that I’m disregarding it?
@@MrASAPAB Brother I’m looking at the albums in my tidal and it’s closer than you would think 😂. I view Ball and G and UGK as just as impactful and important as mobb Deep.
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NWA was trash..Lyrically Ice Cube was the gas that made things go, but he was average at best!.
I can’t co-sign Cube being average, but he was the star no doubt…you not feeling Mc Ren?
@@hip-hophistorybuff I slept on em for years..I heard a few of his tracks..His Nice!
@@marqueeent.1814 no doubt 💯
New York is the REASON y'all other Cities can have Hip Hop. Y'all actually need the backing of New York if y'all wanna make it in the Hip Hop game. If NEW YORK don't back your City then your not gonna make it in Hip Hop....keep that in mind when ya talk bad about us. We know y'all don't like us, and we don't like y'all either....but the difference between us and you other corny Cities is that y'all NEED Us to make it in this game $$$...but we don't need YA'LL . Remember that.
Nobody needs New York to make it in hiphop, New York not even in control of the music game anymore.
@@Hucho400 "New York is not in control of the game anymore". And THATS Why Hip Hop is gay and sounds like trash right now .... because those OUTSIDE of New York f*cked it up
@@Hucho400 Y'all STILL need New York to promote y'all ..that's why you got these rappers from other Cities coming on the breakfast club or Funk Flex freestyle. Y'all NEED NY to promote your music...or you will NEVER be that important. And It's ALWAYS been like that.
Fck all that. We building our own trends. You Old Yorkers need to humble yourselves.
@@Asiatic57 bro you sound like a clown the south don’t mean New York when it comes to rap the south is too big and make too much money. what do you think so many New York rappers try to switch their style up and sound southern so they can be relevant and make money