@@redpilledbachelor7776 when you have something like a doctorate or a masters in a foreign country, when you come to America it’s usually degraded into something less so you have to work harder and basically start over; at least this is what my mother has experienced (she’s togolese)
My aunt is a NP and been one for almost 20 years. She says that she really appreciated this video and it’s accuracy. She also said that most people truly have no idea what exactly NP’s do and that she thinks it’s important to have more videos like this because even though she’s not a doctor she wants everyone to recognize how qualified NP’s are to give care independently. Edit: She also wants to add that she does not believe that NP’s scope of practice should be broadened because she recognizes that this would be dangerous for patients if they don’t receive more training.
UCSF's NP program cost me $189k, I work 10 hour days 5 days a week with overnight on call duties. I think the NP program one goes to greatly influences the experience and outcome. Please say NO to online-only programs.
I feel like this was made for me. After a year of nursing school with an end goal of NP in the back of my head since the beginning, I’m realizing I want to function as a physician on the healthcare team.
@@0206-b8z nursing is leaving me asking the why behind it all and the focus of nursing is caring for the patients in the immediate and short term future. Medicine based care approaches from a specialist’s POV and my brain is drawn to that
In my last semester of PMHNP school. IMO, it is always best to work under the supervision of a physician for at least 2 years. As NPs, we have great autonomy but it is important to always seek help when we are able to in order to facilitate patient outcomes :)
I was looking forward to seeing how you’ll tackle this controversial topic and I must say you did a great job of both staying neutral and still highlighting the issues that exist. Great job
THANK YOUUUUU DR. J!!!!!!! For making this vid for nursing n00bs like me who are passionate about very possibly becoming an APRN (NP or nurse anesthetist, haven't decided yet) in the far future. I'm currently on the pre-nursing path working to get into nursing school, then I have my eyes set on the ICU for the next some years, either adult or pediatric. This video was helpful beyond measure and cleared up a lot of confusion I had about the APRN pathways. And I additionally love that you got our lovely Nurse Liz to help out with this! She's an absolute gem and I adore her vids as well
Great job covering this topic. After going to school and now being a new NP, I cannot imagine working without an attending to consult with. I appreciate having a limited scope within reason, enjoy the relationships I get to build with my patients and seeing the less complex cases so the doctor can focus their attention on cases that may be more interesting or applicable to their training and knowledge. I appreciate the oversight and review of my charts and input, personally. I will say that I have interviewed for many positions that required call even in a restricted practice state. But that’s the only inaccuracy I really noted. I hope we are able to standardize NP education and possibly even include a model similar to MDs in which residency and fellowships follow. As noted in a different video about medical school, there is so much to learn and even after 4 years of in depth training, you only feel like you’ve scratched the surface. Imagine studying for less time. The transition from RN to NP is difficult and currently needs more support than I think it is given, even in restricted states. Thank you so much for presenting this video and to Nurse Liz (whom I am a big fan of) for collaborating. Great work team!
what is "practicing healthcare?",pretty sure 'practicing medicine' refers to different things work for different people, hence there is no perfect way of doing things and you are always working to improving your knowledge, hence why its a "practice". so i do not know what practicing health care means
@@what_do_you_want898 the reason Sophia Thomas says that is because she knows as soon as she says nps practice medicine, they are subject to the board of medicine. She does not want that. Bjt she wants them to be seen doctors though. And doctors practice medicine. So she came up with the bullshit "healthcare"
@@rohseans Nope - they are not under the medical board in your state. If there is an issue - the nursing board is supposed to handle it and we see how well they have been doing that.
In Canada a nurse can only become an RN after 4-year Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree. They are then required to have a few years of practice as an RN, and only then they can apply to NP school. And I think in all of the provinces NP's a equal in autonomy to Family Physicians. They can have independent practices, prescribe drugs and manage patients.
Yes! I’m planning to become a nurse practitioner in Canada. I think having a few years of practice as an RN will be a really essential part of becoming a good NP :)
A doctor will realize he has lost his job when he is replaced by a nurse because the doctor costs too much. Only in the USA, the capitalist country par excellence, could the destruction of the medical profession begin. Know that in Europe nurses are replacing doctors not because there are no doctors but because they cost too much. The medical profession is the only profession that is abused. There is no such thing as a lawyer being replaced by a law graduate who is not registered in the register; there is no such thing as a judge being replaced by a clerk; there is no such thing as an engineer being replaced in the design by a surveyor technician. Only the medical profession risks disappearing to make way for the NPs and PAs. A shame that started in the usa.
I’m a registered nurse have worked in dialysis for 18 years. I was a CNA for 10 years and Dialysis Technician for 5 prior to nursing school. I’m getting my APRN license and staying in Dialysis. My only complaint is I wish NP programs had a few more entry requirements. I don’t feel like you should be able to graduate nursing school, work in an outpatient clinic for a year and then own your own practice as a PMHNP… I think Nurses should have a minimum of 3-4 years nursing experience with 2 consecutive years of the field you plan to go work in.
I actually quit 3/4 of the way through my NP program. Having been an RN for over 10 years, I realized that I wasn’t learning enough to confidently take on the extra liability of being solely responsible for patient diagnosis and treatment (my state is an independent practice state). It’s scares the crap out of me seeing some the nurses that become NPs without experience beforehand on top of a poor teaching program.
thank you! Few years back I was watching your videos on medicine like SYWB a doctor etc, and recently I've been leaning towards nursing so I was really happy to see this ☺️
I'm currently working through an undergraduate, and since graduating high school, I've worked in Pharmacy to help pay for college and get experience in healthcare with drugs and direct contact with prescribers that I wouldn't be able to get shadowing or working as an MA or CNA. This means I directly work with pharmacists on the daily. Every pharmacist I have worked with to my knowledge had a PharmD, which is a doctorate. None of them title themselves doctor, because of how misleading it can potentially be. In fact, when I first started, I asked one of my supervising pharmacists if he would like me to refer to him as Doctor, and he was adamantly against any non-physician titling themselves Doctor in a healthcare setting... for good reason. Nurse Practitioners are very smart people, but as stated in the video they are absolutely not physicians and titling themselves Doctor in a clinical setting has no purpose except to deliberately mislead the patient.
Also something to consider is that most students with good grades can get into NP school however even with good grades there is still a good chance you will not get into medical school. This is not to say NP is not competitive however people like myself appreciate the higher chance of working in the Field I desire.
Firstly, NP have at least six years of schooling. It takes four years to obtain one’s BSN then the additional two years at minimum for the NP degree. Second, the current literature does not indicate that there is more harm/greater risk to patients when care is provided my the NP. I think perhaps more than one NP’s input would have given you a better understanding of the NP role in various states.
Much respect to the men and women that do this work. The level of commitment just to receive the necessary education is a testament. They do everything a nurse do and many things doctors do
PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE CREEP Nurse practioners and other midlevels want to be doctors but they are now taking the easy way out with their lobbying organisation helping them out Please talk about scope creep
isn't that the truth! You can't tell me the move towards doctorate rather than masters isn't because they want to be able to introduce themselves as Drs... I also heard PAs now want to be called Medical Practitioners, Physician Practitioners, or Physician Associate...what is going on?
@@rohseans I'd like to see where you set the record straight. Is it in a different comment? Are you an NP? Or were you one? Just trying to understand what you mean by setting the record straight
@@kg-ke1fw I'm really confused by this topic... So if I understood the issue there's NPs that want to practise without physician supervision and that's the problem here, right? Because I thought the comments here were implying that nurses in general, including the ones that know their role and the limits of their role were bad for patients. So this is only about the ones that think they can do more than they are schooled for right? I want to be a nurse, but one that knows her boundaries and this discouraged me a bit.
Im an ER nurse. My biggest pet peeve is hospital NPs who introduce themselves as “doctor” it’s to pretentious. In my opinion NPs should only be referred to as “doctor” in the educational setting.
NP here. Great video. If you want to be a Dr. and believe you will be the same as a physician, you should not go to NP school, you should go to med school. Also, I think the clinical hour requirement only makes sense for experienced nurses who have educational background AND already have years of real life nursing experience. Personally, I believe a certain level of experience should be a requirement for admission. But if NP programs are going to accept those right out of nursing school, the clinical hour requirements should at least match PA programs.
It seems that psychiatrists have the same exact role as a psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner. What’s the purpose of going through all of those years of school and debt when you can take the short cut route and become a psych nurse practitioner.
Believe me ,what ever you do never give up finally I've become an FNP on my 3rd attempt , I can’t believe I almost gave up after not making it for the 2nd time ,fortunately for me I was recommended to a tutor by my friends
Thanks , i have being wondering where i can get the necessary assistance to pass my test but , i have being writting the NP test for 5years just hope i will be able to make it this time , i won't give up on Any occasion
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The education requirements are heavily dependent on where you go. Some schools you have to have X amount of nursing experience, and different specialties have their own requirements (i.e. neonatal requires NICU experience). I personally think there should be more standardization between programs, and nursing experience should be required. I can understand a requirement of fewer clinical hours IF the candidate was an RN for several years, but there should be more required clinical hours (like in nursing school). It scares me to think that people can go into this with little to no nursing experience, and I say that in response to some of the program setups you described. Thank you for this video. Very well explained!
Is not true that we nurses like to be called doctors, to be called a NURSE is enough proud. There always has been a thing that’s going to keep the insane gap between nurse and doctors widest that I don’t know why. We are working together for a common goal which is our peoples’ health not fighting for being called a doctor or a nurse.
The issue is that med schools aren't letting enough qualified applicants in and cost too much. Someone who has family responsibilities cannot afford to quit working and go into massive debts. What if you get in a wreck and become disabled and then cannot finish med school? Unless you have parents with money, med school is risky.
I never knew clinical hours at graduation was 3-8% of what physicians do, but I am glad he mentioned how expanding the scope of practice for NPs is not a majority opinion given that fact.
Good fucking lord. I just commented on your last video on how you would 'not' get into touching the hot potato as you're too big for this (1.2M subs, like come on), but you briefed this topic anyway. Amazing job man. More people need to hear this. BOLD fucking move grandpa J!
I had a little bit of an identity crisis after getting avcepted into NP school as i viewed it as inferior to a doctor, but then i also realized that I seriously enjoyed the time I have had as a nurse aide and then a nurse and hopefully then as an NP as i gained valuable skills to perform the interventions that I would likely be prescribing as an NP to the nurses. My medical knowledge won't be as vast and I would most certainly, and already have been, studying independently to prepare to practice, but I also want to make it clear to people who want to be NPs and not physicians: You are not a doctor and that is okay. We are trained in a different model and learn different skills. In a way, we are just taking the "next step" by prescribing the medications we already understand as nurses (which requires extra schooling and study), but let's push for NPs to not call themselves doctors, but be proud that we are nurses and have that experience. We are a different entity and that is okay. We bring experience to the table that is different than a physician and that is valuable. The medical knowledge isn't as vast, but that is why we should stick with a doctor and learn from them. Also, not to be rude, but to those who think that all NPs are just faking as doctors, I respectfully disagree with you. Some NPs are, but not all. That is an ego thing and that exists all over healthcare. Lots of NPs actually wanted to go that route from the start so they could actually work as nurses and gain that experience before moving on and developing in their careers. It's like saying that doctors couldnt cut it with the patient care aspect associated with nursing. Its not necessarily true and that just stirs up animosity along with how hard doctors worked in med school and residency to get where they are at. A physician should have the ultimate say in a MEDICAL team because they have mastered MEDICINE. We are more like adept in medicine as NPs and PAs. However, both bring extra experience and insight into cases that a doctor may not have. For example, a nurse may be better at communication as we are trained to do that in nursing school than a doctor. Physicians should be in charge, but not disrespectful to any nurses, NP, or PAs of whom should show mutual respect to the physician.
I came into college planning to be a psychiatrist and was highly intimidated by med school and all it entails (long residency and such) I still wanted to practice mental health care but wanted to go from a medical perspective. I did some research and found a career of Mental Health Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner and the Nursing school I’m interested in offers a program for it! 😁 Now I just gotta figure out if it’s what I really want
Hii, I’m in college right now! Not sure if being a psychiatrist is for me either but also interested in being a MHPNP. How are you doing right now? :) Also, what major did you decide on? Thanks!
Hi! Its been a year since you commented. If you don't mind me asking, what decision did you end up making regarding whether or not to pursue that path?
I was fixated on being a pediatrician, then surgeon, then obgyn, now nurse practitioner 😩 my counselor keeps asking what I want to do like give the 15 yr old a break ✋🏽🙄
I don’t understand why it’s a big ordeal for DNPs to call themselves doctors where PhDs in clinical settings are referred to as doctors and patients do not confuse them with physicians. Personally it’s a silly argument and no I don’t think think DNPs are saying they are physicians I think they just want to acknowledge their level of education.
I think I’m might wanna be a nurse practitioner or a crna or cnm but I think the salary,responsibility and the mystery, teaching and research of a physician also attract
Some thoughts from someone who was an RN, got into CRNA school, then had a quarter-life crisis and left heath care completely: I think a LOT of what's stoking these flames are the direct-entry NP programmes. To me, the essence of being an NP is being a nurse first. The role was originally to supplement the provider workforce, and to acknowledge the "field knowledge" RNs naturally acquire over time (example: I'd trust the instincts of a 20yr veteran ICU nurse over a medicine intern on their 3rd day). However, like you point out several times, this knowledge forms within the framework of nursing, which is distinct from medicine. The content is the same, but it's framed and handled very differently. Acting as a provider under the nursing model requires a fair bit of experience within the nursing model... And the nursing model is not easily or quickly taught. It requires being... A nurse. These direct-entry programmes slam the candidates through nursing school in nine months, and then dive right into the provider-level material. That's not how NP education was ever meant to work, and I argue it straight up DOESN'T work. Speaking in vast generalisations, all of the NPs I encountered who I didn't think very highly of, I'd come to find out were from direct-entry programmes. One of my best friends who practiced as a nurse for almost 10 years before going back to a traditional DNP programme had a difficult time finding clinical placements, because the direct-entry programme also used the same clinical sites and had scared everyone off with the calibre of students they were sending. Most people in the traditional NP pathway are becoming NPs because they WANT to become NPs... They don't want to be physicians. The direct-entry programmes are filled with people who decide a health care career is for them later in life, or have a chemistry degree and either didn't get into med school or realise they want to do med school after it's too late to have a competitive application, and they see the autonomy available to NPs and decide that's the way to go--but carry with them all this insecurity. I refer to the learning curve for NPs as a free-range residency (think chickens). In the medical education model, candidates are hand-held until the system is virtually certain they know all they need to know and are good to be cut loose. With NP education, you're taken to the baseline of knowledge and then cut loose to make all the mistakes and get all the practice MDs get in residency, on your own... So 20 years into practicing a specialty as an NP, you're getting pretty close to physician-level knowledge of your area and are a highly effective and valuable provider... It's these insecure (probably direct-entry) new grad NPs giving the profession a bad rep. These are my thoughts and observations only....
How does the direct-entry work? Is it for people already with bachelors or people with ADN? And if they have a bachelors, are you not required to have a RN degree to start practicing?
@@NA-oi6et The requirements programme to programme are different. Minimum entry requirement is that you have a bachelor's in something, but beyond that you just have to have the prerequisites done as outlined by that specific programme. The first year, or sometimes even half-year, they ram the candidates through all of the required clinical hours and class hours to sit the NCLEX, and then they take the NCLEX around month 9, that allows them to practice for the remaining two years as RNs... Now, if you were to cut them loose into an RN job, would they be able to do actually do it? No? Were they just force-fed information and then made to regurgitate it onto the NCLEX just to pass? Yes... And that's where the disconnect is for me. NPs should be nurses first... Not be "certified as a nurse" just by necessity for the end result... If a person is looking for that sort of trajectory, then I think their thought process is much better suited for the PA route.
But you aren’t. I am sorry. I worked as a nurse for years before going to medical school. I didn’t even know how I little I knew in comparison. You won’t see something, if you don’t know it is there. Experience is vital, but your scope and breadth of training also improves the quality of that experience. I am convinced after my experience the only way to become a doctor is to go to med school end of story.
As a doctor in Australia, scope creep for NPs and PAs is less of an issue but it's interesting to see where we're headed (likely a similar path to the US).
It's bad in the US! The VA has been scrubbing physians for NPs as have clinics and urgent care. I know many people who saw NPs and never knew it because they don't have to say they are a NP and they generally look like a physician with the white coat. You pay the same but get a much less knowledgeable/educated person.
@@kg-ke1fw you’ve been leaving so many different negative comments about NPs in this comment section and it’s just really sad. I hope on my journey as a physician I don’t become this egotistical.
I’m an aspiring NP (Nursing student currently going for BSN) and.. I’m kind of split on the whole “doctor” title here, On one hand, it can be misleading for a client to refer to an NP as “Doctor” if said client sees that title and automatically assumes that this person is trained comparably to a physician. On the other hand, there are plenty of professions that 1)require doctorates 2) those with the doctorate are referred to as DR and 3) no one is necessarily confused by their scope of practice… like, majority of people realize a psychologist is a Doctor but not necessarily the one who is going to diagnose a particular infection from Malaysia. People at large realize that the Doctor title, at this point, does not necessarily mean 7 year Medical Doctor. It’s just a matter of educating society on one more profession (Nurse Practioner) that just so happens to require a Doctorate and therefore the correct way to address this person is Doctor. I’m not decided on one being right over the other, understand; I just kinda see both cases.
I'm with you there. I plan to get my DNP one day or PhD, but I will never call myself doctor in a clinical setting. An academic setting, like teaching at a university, yes I would because it would add to my educational credibility. When I was a CNA, I got called nurse all the time, which was fine (patients sometimes had memory issues) until patients would ask me for things that needed an actual nurse. When I get my NP, I don't want to inadvertently be put into an awkward situation or deal with certain liabilities. It would be nice if they could create a separate prefix/title for NPs to avoid this controversy
Hey Dr. Jubaal, I wanna ask you a question: "How did you manage your time so effectively, like you're active on all fields from being in a med school to having a vacation tour to gym and many more? Please make a separate video on it. It's gonna be really helpful for all of us🤗 -Love from Nepal🇳🇵
I disagree with the hours, you have tons of hours from Nursing school totally different than PAs. Also some have more than 10 years of experience from ICU to ER etc.
I know some NP’s that can run circles around some MD’s. It’s mainly due to where/ how they were trained and true commitment to quality care. What state you reside in affects your scope of practice and many NPs are impacted by lawsuits these days. I thank God my mentors were great and I attend CE courses frequently (Wendy Wright is so knowledgeable) to keep up to date. Good luck choosing what’s best for you.
Take some knowledge about nurses before commenting here,doctors and nurses hv their own roles and responsibilities not only cleaning,they do much more,so try to shut up if u don't know what they do
I didn't want to be a part of medical field because I knew it would be hard but it's worth it to me. I want to be a pnp (in nursing school for bsn currently) because I love the life-work balance, the expertise I can provide, application of medicine, and being able to work with families and kids on a bonded level.
I left the USMC and found that a lot of vets go the NP route. I', not there yet, but what they said seems to me to be true/ Working in the ED, I see that most MDs don't have what it takes to deal with critical cases. All the education goes out the window and they need pocket guides. Their education is useless because they don't have the personality to work in clinical settings. I as an RN have found myself leading MDs because they forget everything in a real situation. I can't imagine how annoying the extra work will be when becoming an NP.
here in the uk to work as an RN you have to have a 4 year bsn and a minimum of 2.500 clinical hours and 2 years clinical experience minimum before applying for a specialty
Yes NP with no doctorate degree should not call themselves doctors but NPs with DNP degrees have the right to be called doctors. Doctor title isn’t just for physicians. Anyone who earns a doctorate degree in any field can be called doctor. You can earn doctorate in teaching and be called doctor. Those who introduce themselves as doctors, have the doctorate degrees. So why doctors think the title doctor is only for them?! My answer is, cuz they still have an outdated mentality. Anyone who earns doctorate degree in any fried can be called doctors. There is no misleading issue. Doctor of Nursing, doctor of medicine l, doctor of financing… etc.
National Organization of Nurse Practitioner Faculties (NONPF) made the commitment to move all entry-level nurse practitioner (NP) education to the Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) degree by 2025. So, it is critical to have a doctorate. This video misinforms people who want to enter this field of study.
Of course! You just have to take all the prereqs and take the MCAT and apply just like any other premed. It's not uncommon to find nurses wanting more autonomy and knowledge and seeking a medical degree
One of my classmates was a surgical nurse (RN) for 20 years before starting medical school. It's definitely a plus, as long as you get your prereqs and MCAT in top shape!
@@bmsenpai8386 nah nursing science classes are watered down simplified versions. Jumping from nursing to pre-med will require taking the harder versions of science classes as well as their labs. Take those, then do well on the MCAT and figure out a way to do volunteering/research/extracurriculars to be a competitive applicant
Right. But many of them just go into PA school with shadowing experience. While RNs went through nursing school and then worked on the wards. So don't discount that experience.
Wow after debating about some of these issues in your, "what they don't tell you about medical school" comment section, I'm surprised that you had the balls to tackle NPs lol. It feels so hostile between NPs and physicians/ medical students on the internet, but rarely in real life!
Actually, physicians really don't like NPs though most that I know act professional around them. NPs are a direct threat not only to the profession but also liability.
@@kg-ke1fw maybe that's true where you're from but that's doesn't seem to be the case where I live. I see physicians and NPs eating lunch playing golf and just laughing it up in the hallways all the time. This is why I am just genuinely surprised at the hostility the internet gangstas have against NPs. Then again, the NPs i see in my state are always where they were designed to be which is in primary care so maybe that's why 🤷🏾♀️
@@mrs.wolfengrave8786 again, it's not like either refuse to speak to one another or can be friends. It's more like physicians don't like how NPs are taking over their role in many fields and confuse patients. You mentioned PC which NPs seem to be taking the job of a physician. While I'm sure some are fine they all lack the knowledge and education of a MD/DO thus either give patients wrong info or run up costs for patients. Studies are coming out showing this and hopefully it'll force hospitals/VA to rethink hiring NPs.
@@kg-ke1fw I don't understand why people in the comment section try to argue to completely get rid of NPs when they have been an integral part of primary care since the 60s. I think it's a fruitless fight. Let's fight for a more standardized educational system for NPs! Let's fight to end these absurd diploma mill online schools to protect patient safety and I totally understand the anger toward mid-level creep but primary care is NOT creep, it is literally what NPs were designed to tackle and they did an amazing job which is why the field ballooned the way it did, but the problem is the lack of regulation in recent years. The state by state lack of regulation is due to the continued shortage of primary care physicians. That shortage will continue to grow. I say we fight for a national standard for NPs the way registered nursing has a national standard.
@@kg-ke1fw Well that is what I would personally like to see. Just like everyone else commentating what they want to see. Pediatrician and internal medicine are 3 years and there is a video for both of them. So what is your point???
I’m already in a np program and it’s not easy but it’s worth it this time next year I will be in my final stretch and near the end of next year I pray I will do a video of finishing the program
I'm currently trying to decide if I should go PA or MD. There are ups and downs for both and I'm having a really hard time deciding. On one hand, I love the work life balance I could have as a PA. Having time off, being with my wife, etc. However, on the flip side, it has always been my dream to be a doctor. To be more specific a trauma surgeon. However over the years the specialities I've considered and have interest in have varied, and now I'm possibly considering PA. I'm so conflicted because I ultimately want to be happy with what I choose. I don't want to regret not going MD, but I also don't want to regret going MD over PA. Has anyone else experienced this? If so what did you do?
I’m currently part of a trauma surgery team for my training and the PAs are a super vital part of the team but do not participate in the actual surgeries. They do care for the patients and respond to trauma situations but the operations always fall to the attending doctors and residents. If you want to be a trauma surgeon, I would say go MD! If you want to be part of a trauma team but don’t necessarily want to operate, I would say go PA!
PA is a way shorter route. MD requires like 9 more years of total training... compared to 2 years for PA. so if you're dedicated enough and truely want to operate and don't mind spending more time going MD, i'd say go MD. but if not, PA would lead to way better work life balance
You should do PA …. What’s the point of going to med school when a NP and PA basically are starting to do the same thing . Save your money and mental health and do PA
Only thing I would add is to typically get into NP programs you need experience working in a field. I personally have 3 years of exerpeiences with 4000 hours of working 12 hour shifts working alongside physicians in my area of specialty. You learn things. You learn what to do and how to act and therefore can use that in that NP specialty. So yes, the hours of NP school requirements are lower but it is not like people get into NP school with 0 hours of experience... Just something to think about.
Healthcare is one area of education in the US in which the demands of the labor market have actively started shaped degrees and curricula. Sometimes that's been very healthy. The abundance of medical tech degrees and certifications is a good example of how this can work well. The NP, PA, MD overlap is an odd outcome created by the shortage of MDs in certain regions and certain specialties. It seems to solve the shortage problem but I have to wonder if the roles couldn't be more effectively distinguished from each other. What strengths and weaknesses does the nursing model offer that the medical model is less good at? And surely PAs could be integrated into a reshaped medical education with all MDs being PAs first, raining expérience and earning income before deciding y if they want the extra degree to be a specialist in the more complicated areas of medicine.
Yea there should me a pa to md step program like they have for lpn to rn. I read that by 2034 or comethin we will literally have a huge shortage of Md. that is so dangerous because nursing doesn’t go into the science aspect like doctors do. Something needs to be done 😢😢
I’m a nursing student and against the idea of NP’s calling themselves Dr, But as holders of DNP or phd in nursing, they can call themselves dr according to the degree they have not as a scope of practice.
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My father became an NP in this country, but he was a doctor in Cuba with 15 years of experience. Congrats dad🥳
He is an MD then as well - so he is a doctor!
Why didn't he apply for residency in the US?
@@redpilledbachelor7776 when you have something like a doctorate or a masters in a foreign country, when you come to America it’s usually degraded into something less so you have to work harder and basically start over; at least this is what my mother has experienced (she’s togolese)
Your father is more skilled and well trained than any US physician, especially coming from Cuba!
W dad, hope you would be success like your dad
My aunt is a NP and been one for almost 20 years. She says that she really appreciated this video and it’s accuracy. She also said that most people truly have no idea what exactly NP’s do and that she thinks it’s important to have more videos like this because even though she’s not a doctor she wants everyone to recognize how qualified NP’s are to give care independently.
Edit: She also wants to add that she does not believe that NP’s scope of practice should be broadened because she recognizes that this would be dangerous for patients if they don’t receive more training.
UCSF's NP program cost me $189k, I work 10 hour days 5 days a week with overnight on call duties. I think the NP program one goes to greatly influences the experience and outcome. Please say NO to online-only programs.
Why so expensive?
Must have been a private university. It should never cost that for tuition unless you’re included other costs too
I think you got scammed. Should get your money back
Go for online
I second going for online.
I feel like this was made for me. After a year of nursing school with an end goal of NP in the back of my head since the beginning, I’m realizing I want to function as a physician on the healthcare team.
Why
I’m thinking the same you should finish your RN and apply to med school
@@SparksForces can I ask why? I’m seeing time investment as the net con
@@0206-b8z nursing is leaving me asking the why behind it all and the focus of nursing is caring for the patients in the immediate and short term future. Medicine based care approaches from a specialist’s POV and my brain is drawn to that
@@zackysac have you considered crna
In my last semester of PMHNP school. IMO, it is always best to work under the supervision of a physician for at least 2 years. As NPs, we have great autonomy but it is important to always seek help when we are able to in order to facilitate patient outcomes :)
I am intrested in becoming a PMHNP, can u give me more detaisl regarding salary, life balance and overall the whole path?
Really well balanced. Shout out to PPP.
I was looking forward to seeing how you’ll tackle this controversial topic and I must say you did a great job of both staying neutral and still highlighting the issues that exist. Great job
BOLD move, he could be demonitized too if this gets high 5 digits views. I used to like this guy, now I love him
You did this so respectfully. I’m very impressed. Thank you for speaking up for us. You have my respect as a future physician (250 days away).
This one should be juicy, I’m more excited for the comments honestly.
Lol right, a lot of butt hurt med students and sensitive NPs on this already. I’ve got my popcorn ready 😂
Came here for the comments lol
Cue massive self-preservation and egos at play in 3..2…1. Already seeing some fireworks and bending of facts
Uh ohz! *also shamelessly gets popcorn ready*
@@MedSchoolInsiders Complete with dumpster fires!
THANK YOUUUUU DR. J!!!!!!! For making this vid for nursing n00bs like me who are passionate about very possibly becoming an APRN (NP or nurse anesthetist, haven't decided yet) in the far future. I'm currently on the pre-nursing path working to get into nursing school, then I have my eyes set on the ICU for the next some years, either adult or pediatric. This video was helpful beyond measure and cleared up a lot of confusion I had about the APRN pathways. And I additionally love that you got our lovely Nurse Liz to help out with this! She's an absolute gem and I adore her vids as well
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Great job covering this topic. After going to school and now being a new NP, I cannot imagine working without an attending to consult with. I appreciate having a limited scope within reason, enjoy the relationships I get to build with my patients and seeing the less complex cases so the doctor can focus their attention on cases that may be more interesting or applicable to their training and knowledge. I appreciate the oversight and review of my charts and input, personally.
I will say that I have interviewed for many positions that required call even in a restricted practice state. But that’s the only inaccuracy I really noted.
I hope we are able to standardize NP education and possibly even include a model similar to MDs in which residency and fellowships follow. As noted in a different video about medical school, there is so much to learn and even after 4 years of in depth training, you only feel like you’ve scratched the surface. Imagine studying for less time. The transition from RN to NP is difficult and currently needs more support than I think it is given, even in restricted states.
Thank you so much for presenting this video and to Nurse Liz (whom I am a big fan of) for collaborating. Great work team!
This is such a BASED video; very professionally done handling such a sensitive topic without copping out
Why is it a sensitive topic to simply provide facts about a particular career?
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NP isn’t a medical specialty. The head of the AANP, Sophia Thomas, says NPs don’t practice medicine. They practice healthcare.
what is "practicing healthcare?",pretty sure 'practicing medicine' refers to different things work for different people, hence there is no perfect way of doing things and you are always working to improving your knowledge, hence why its a "practice". so i do not know what practicing health care means
@@what_do_you_want898 the reason Sophia Thomas says that is because she knows as soon as she says nps practice medicine, they are subject to the board of medicine. She does not want that. Bjt she wants them to be seen doctors though. And doctors practice medicine. So she came up with the bullshit "healthcare"
@@mcbaggins12 She's the chief of semantics... I can't help but be in awe at their lobbying and public relations efforts
@@rohseans Nope - they are not under the medical board in your state. If there is an issue - the nursing board is supposed to handle it and we see how well they have been doing that.
@@rohseans you'll never be a doctor.
Great job, a very honest and fair depiction of what an NP is, whilst also broaching the topic of scope creep. Well done!
In Canada a nurse can only become an RN after 4-year Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree. They are then required to have a few years of practice as an RN, and only then they can apply to NP school. And I think in all of the provinces NP's a equal in autonomy to Family Physicians. They can have independent practices, prescribe drugs and manage patients.
Yes! I’m planning to become a nurse practitioner in Canada. I think having a few years of practice as an RN will be a really essential part of becoming a good NP :)
I would also add ; in Quebec you become an RN after 3 years of CEGEP/College. Clinical nurse after 3 years of bachelor.
A doctor will realize he has lost his job when he is replaced by a nurse because the doctor costs too much. Only in the USA, the capitalist country par excellence, could the destruction of the medical profession begin. Know that in Europe nurses are replacing doctors not because there are no doctors but because they cost too much. The medical profession is the only profession that is abused. There is no such thing as a lawyer being replaced by a law graduate who is not registered in the register; there is no such thing as a judge being replaced by a clerk; there is no such thing as an engineer being replaced in the design by a surveyor technician. Only the medical profession risks disappearing to make way for the NPs and PAs. A shame that started in the usa.
I’m a registered nurse have worked in dialysis for 18 years. I was a CNA for 10 years and Dialysis Technician for 5 prior to nursing school. I’m getting my APRN license and staying in Dialysis.
My only complaint is I wish NP programs had a few more entry requirements. I don’t feel like you should be able to graduate nursing school, work in an outpatient clinic for a year and then own your own practice as a PMHNP…
I think Nurses should have a minimum of 3-4 years nursing experience with 2 consecutive years of the field you plan to go work in.
How do I get one
I actually quit 3/4 of the way through my NP program. Having been an RN for over 10 years, I realized that I wasn’t learning enough to confidently take on the extra liability of being solely responsible for patient diagnosis and treatment (my state is an independent practice state). It’s scares the crap out of me seeing some the nurses that become NPs without experience beforehand on top of a poor teaching program.
Wow this is really good insight and advice! Thanks
A video outlining the role of CRNAs would be fantastic. Thank you for the informative content - as always!
FINALLY!! I been waiting for this, Thank you!!
Can you please do more nurse videos' ? e.g. nurse anaesthetist, nurse cardiology and a nurse dermatology :)
People don’t talk about pathologists enough :(
I would really appreciate a video about them!
Yes pathologists.❤️
thank you! Few years back I was watching your videos on medicine like SYWB a doctor etc, and recently I've been leaning towards nursing so I was really happy to see this ☺️
I'm currently working through an undergraduate, and since graduating high school, I've worked in Pharmacy to help pay for college and get experience in healthcare with drugs and direct contact with prescribers that I wouldn't be able to get shadowing or working as an MA or CNA.
This means I directly work with pharmacists on the daily. Every pharmacist I have worked with to my knowledge had a PharmD, which is a doctorate. None of them title themselves doctor, because of how misleading it can potentially be.
In fact, when I first started, I asked one of my supervising pharmacists if he would like me to refer to him as Doctor, and he was adamantly against any non-physician titling themselves Doctor in a healthcare setting... for good reason.
Nurse Practitioners are very smart people, but as stated in the video they are absolutely not physicians and titling themselves Doctor in a clinical setting has no purpose except to deliberately mislead the patient.
I'm starting my program for NP and i feel so discouraged and dumb doing it online. This helped me to be motivated to pursue my degree.
Go BRICK AND MORTAR!
Also something to consider is that most students with good grades can get into NP school however even with good grades there is still a good chance you will not get into medical school. This is not to say NP is not competitive however people like myself appreciate the higher chance of working in the Field I desire.
Firstly, NP have at least six years of schooling. It takes four years to obtain one’s BSN then the additional two years at minimum for the NP degree. Second, the current literature does not indicate that there is more harm/greater risk to patients when care is provided my the NP. I think perhaps more than one NP’s input would have given you a better understanding of the NP role in various states.
Much respect to the men and women that do this work. The level of commitment just to receive the necessary education is a testament. They do everything a nurse do and many things doctors do
Good luck finding a 2 year NP program. Masters programs are generally 3 years and DNP's are generally 6 years.
IMO you handled this highly inflammatory topic with extreme tact. Well done.
Honestly I like working with my NP more than my doctor.
THANK YOU SOOOOOOOO MUCH I’ve been waiting for long for this video!!!!
WoW ! Great video man ! ER doc here ! Everyone stay safe and study a lot ;)
PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE CREEP
Nurse practioners and other midlevels want to be doctors but they are now taking the easy way out with their lobbying organisation helping them out
Please talk about scope creep
It's not an entire video, but there's a good segment about it in his recent video "What Medical School DOESN'T Teach You"
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Everybody wanna be a doctor but ain’t nobody wanna lift no heavy ass textbooks
isn't that the truth! You can't tell me the move towards doctorate rather than masters isn't because they want to be able to introduce themselves as Drs... I also heard PAs now want to be called Medical Practitioners, Physician Practitioners, or Physician Associate...what is going on?
Ah yes, words from the vegan cross fitter Olympian Ronnie Coleman
@@MedSchoolInsiders I am reporting this comment for hate speech hahaha
@@rohseans yes just not in a clinical setting where many patients equate “doctor” with “physician”
@@rohseans not in a hospital setting though cause you may confuse a patient into thinking you’re a real doctor
You know the comment section is going to be fire!!
@@rohseans I'd like to see where you set the record straight. Is it in a different comment? Are you an NP? Or were you one? Just trying to understand what you mean by setting the record straight
Love the PPP shoutout and how respectful this video was. NP’s and physicians both serve very important rolls in healthcare.
NPs don't actually, they create more risk to patients and doctors!
@@kg-ke1fw what? They take care of patients how is that a risk.
Or do you only mean the ones that think they have the authority of a doctor?
@@kg-ke1fw I'm really confused by this topic...
So if I understood the issue there's NPs that want to practise without physician supervision and that's the problem here, right? Because I thought the comments here were implying that nurses in general, including the ones that know their role and the limits of their role were bad for patients. So this is only about the ones that think they can do more than they are schooled for right?
I want to be a nurse, but one that knows her boundaries and this discouraged me a bit.
@@leobe2104 NPs have full practice authority in many states and work in their scope of practice very well.
Im an ER nurse. My biggest pet peeve is hospital NPs who introduce themselves as “doctor” it’s to pretentious. In my opinion NPs should only be referred to as “doctor” in the educational setting.
NP here. Great video.
If you want to be a Dr. and believe you will be the same as a physician, you should not go to NP school, you should go to med school. Also, I think the clinical hour requirement only makes sense for experienced nurses who have educational background AND already have years of real life nursing experience. Personally, I believe a certain level of experience should be a requirement for admission. But if NP programs are going to accept those right out of nursing school, the clinical hour requirements should at least match PA programs.
Most PAs go into school with just shadowing experience. Thats no experience.
It seems that psychiatrists have the same exact role as a psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner. What’s the purpose of going through all of those years of school and debt when you can take the short cut route and become a psych nurse practitioner.
Believe me ,what ever you do never give up finally I've become an FNP on my 3rd attempt , I can’t believe I almost gave up after not making it for the 2nd time ,fortunately for me I was recommended to a tutor by my friends
Thanks , i have being wondering where i can get the necessary assistance to pass my test but , i have being writting the NP test for 5years just hope i will be able to make it this time , i won't give up on Any occasion
Please is there any way I can get to him ?
Thank God I finally passed my NP test on my 3rd attempt with the help of Mr DAVID, I used his preparation tips. just 3 days of working with him and I passed. I was referred to him by a friend before my exams. Please friends I recommend you to mr DAVID. The man has the key to getting your exam.
@@maevejaelyn5553 yes you can search for cappleman J James on face book
We have a lot in common with a special recommended tutor , having tutor who sacrifices all they have for their students is not very necessary, mr DAVID equally took me to his WhatsApp group and made me feel like a student, thank God of him if not I would not has succeeded this year. Am so grateful 🤲 for him
It would be great to see one on CRNA too!
Never understanding what’s nursing until I saw this video. Great welcoming! Thanks. 😅
The education requirements are heavily dependent on where you go. Some schools you have to have X amount of nursing experience, and different specialties have their own requirements (i.e. neonatal requires NICU experience). I personally think there should be more standardization between programs, and nursing experience should be required. I can understand a requirement of fewer clinical hours IF the candidate was an RN for several years, but there should be more required clinical hours (like in nursing school). It scares me to think that people can go into this with little to no nursing experience, and I say that in response to some of the program setups you described.
Thank you for this video. Very well explained!
Is not true that we nurses like to be called doctors, to be called a NURSE is enough proud. There always has been a thing that’s going to keep the insane gap between nurse and doctors widest that I don’t know why. We are working together for a common goal which is our peoples’ health not fighting for being called a doctor or a nurse.
Thank u so much for the information, as a nurse student I had so many doubts but your video helped a lot, I really appreciate it ❤️
Super well done!! Thanks for the clear info 🙌🏻
Can you do a reaction video to this?
@@joshuahoward1997 that’s a good idea!
I love your channel, your videos have been very helpful in getting me into my nursing program. Thank you.
The issue is that med schools aren't letting enough qualified applicants in and cost too much. Someone who has family responsibilities cannot afford to quit working and go into massive debts. What if you get in a wreck and become disabled and then cannot finish med school? Unless you have parents with money, med school is risky.
I never knew clinical hours at graduation was 3-8% of what physicians do, but I am glad he mentioned how expanding the scope of practice for NPs is not a majority opinion given that fact.
@@rohseans you are saying to look at your comments, but here they are talking about majority opinion
Good fucking lord. I just commented on your last video on how you would 'not' get into touching the hot potato as you're too big for this (1.2M subs, like come on), but you briefed this topic anyway. Amazing job man. More people need to hear this. BOLD fucking move grandpa J!
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Omg THANK YOU!! i keep bouncing between md/do and np. love the videos keep it up this really helps me decide.
I had a little bit of an identity crisis after getting avcepted into NP school as i viewed it as inferior to a doctor, but then i also realized that I seriously enjoyed the time I have had as a nurse aide and then a nurse and hopefully then as an NP as i gained valuable skills to perform the interventions that I would likely be prescribing as an NP to the nurses. My medical knowledge won't be as vast and I would most certainly, and already have been, studying independently to prepare to practice, but I also want to make it clear to people who want to be NPs and not physicians: You are not a doctor and that is okay. We are trained in a different model and learn different skills. In a way, we are just taking the "next step" by prescribing the medications we already understand as nurses (which requires extra schooling and study), but let's push for NPs to not call themselves doctors, but be proud that we are nurses and have that experience. We are a different entity and that is okay. We bring experience to the table that is different than a physician and that is valuable. The medical knowledge isn't as vast, but that is why we should stick with a doctor and learn from them.
Also, not to be rude, but to those who think that all NPs are just faking as doctors, I respectfully disagree with you. Some NPs are, but not all. That is an ego thing and that exists all over healthcare. Lots of NPs actually wanted to go that route from the start so they could actually work as nurses and gain that experience before moving on and developing in their careers. It's like saying that doctors couldnt cut it with the patient care aspect associated with nursing. Its not necessarily true and that just stirs up animosity along with how hard doctors worked in med school and residency to get where they are at.
A physician should have the ultimate say in a MEDICAL team because they have mastered MEDICINE. We are more like adept in medicine as NPs and PAs. However, both bring extra experience and insight into cases that a doctor may not have. For example, a nurse may be better at communication as we are trained to do that in nursing school than a doctor. Physicians should be in charge, but not disrespectful to any nurses, NP, or PAs of whom should show mutual respect to the physician.
Can you do "So you want to be a Neonatologist" pleaseee ✨
he did that already
@@ThatGirl.T no he didnt
I came into college planning to be a psychiatrist and was highly intimidated by med school and all it entails (long residency and such) I still wanted to practice mental health care but wanted to go from a medical perspective. I did some research and found a career of Mental Health Psychiatric Nurse Practitioner and the Nursing school I’m interested in offers a program for it! 😁 Now I just gotta figure out if it’s what I really want
Hii, I’m in college right now! Not sure if being a psychiatrist is for me either but also interested in being a MHPNP. How are you doing right now? :) Also, what major did you decide on? Thanks!
Hi! Its been a year since you commented. If you don't mind me asking, what decision did you end up making regarding whether or not to pursue that path?
I was fixated on being a pediatrician, then surgeon, then obgyn, now nurse practitioner 😩 my counselor keeps asking what I want to do like give the 15 yr old a break ✋🏽🙄
you are reallly far form making that decision.. you can relax lol
At least they are all in the same field
Such a great video and Nurse Liz is fantastic!!
I don’t understand why it’s a big ordeal for DNPs to call themselves doctors where PhDs in clinical settings are referred to as doctors and patients do not confuse them with physicians. Personally it’s a silly argument and no I don’t think think DNPs are saying they are physicians I think they just want to acknowledge their level of education.
I think I’m might wanna be a nurse practitioner or a crna or cnm but I think the salary,responsibility and the mystery, teaching and research of a physician also attract
Great video I am currently working on my BSN but I want to advance to next level and become a physician. Your videos have helped me a lot.
Is it tough BSN as they say
Some thoughts from someone who was an RN, got into CRNA school, then had a quarter-life crisis and left heath care completely:
I think a LOT of what's stoking these flames are the direct-entry NP programmes. To me, the essence of being an NP is being a nurse first. The role was originally to supplement the provider workforce, and to acknowledge the "field knowledge" RNs naturally acquire over time (example: I'd trust the instincts of a 20yr veteran ICU nurse over a medicine intern on their 3rd day). However, like you point out several times, this knowledge forms within the framework of nursing, which is distinct from medicine. The content is the same, but it's framed and handled very differently. Acting as a provider under the nursing model requires a fair bit of experience within the nursing model... And the nursing model is not easily or quickly taught. It requires being... A nurse. These direct-entry programmes slam the candidates through nursing school in nine months, and then dive right into the provider-level material. That's not how NP education was ever meant to work, and I argue it straight up DOESN'T work.
Speaking in vast generalisations, all of the NPs I encountered who I didn't think very highly of, I'd come to find out were from direct-entry programmes. One of my best friends who practiced as a nurse for almost 10 years before going back to a traditional DNP programme had a difficult time finding clinical placements, because the direct-entry programme also used the same clinical sites and had scared everyone off with the calibre of students they were sending. Most people in the traditional NP pathway are becoming NPs because they WANT to become NPs... They don't want to be physicians. The direct-entry programmes are filled with people who decide a health care career is for them later in life, or have a chemistry degree and either didn't get into med school or realise they want to do med school after it's too late to have a competitive application, and they see the autonomy available to NPs and decide that's the way to go--but carry with them all this insecurity.
I refer to the learning curve for NPs as a free-range residency (think chickens). In the medical education model, candidates are hand-held until the system is virtually certain they know all they need to know and are good to be cut loose. With NP education, you're taken to the baseline of knowledge and then cut loose to make all the mistakes and get all the practice MDs get in residency, on your own... So 20 years into practicing a specialty as an NP, you're getting pretty close to physician-level knowledge of your area and are a highly effective and valuable provider... It's these insecure (probably direct-entry) new grad NPs giving the profession a bad rep.
These are my thoughts and observations only....
Very well said! I truly believe that traditional NPs should be given the opportunity to have a residency post graduation.
How does the direct-entry work? Is it for people already with bachelors or people with ADN?
And if they have a bachelors, are you not required to have a RN degree to start practicing?
@@NA-oi6et The requirements programme to programme are different. Minimum entry requirement is that you have a bachelor's in something, but beyond that you just have to have the prerequisites done as outlined by that specific programme. The first year, or sometimes even half-year, they ram the candidates through all of the required clinical hours and class hours to sit the NCLEX, and then they take the NCLEX around month 9, that allows them to practice for the remaining two years as RNs... Now, if you were to cut them loose into an RN job, would they be able to do actually do it? No? Were they just force-fed information and then made to regurgitate it onto the NCLEX just to pass? Yes... And that's where the disconnect is for me. NPs should be nurses first... Not be "certified as a nurse" just by necessity for the end result... If a person is looking for that sort of trajectory, then I think their thought process is much better suited for the PA route.
But you aren’t.
I am sorry. I worked as a nurse for years before going to medical school.
I didn’t even know how I little I knew in comparison.
You won’t see something, if you don’t know it is there.
Experience is vital, but your scope and breadth of training also improves the quality of that experience.
I am convinced after my experience the only way to become a doctor is to go to med school end of story.
@@jamesmannsfield5699 I didn't say any of that...
In Philippines, nursing is a good pre-med for medicine. Many opt to go nursing as a backup if they lost the motivation to go med school
I've never heard of this... PA more likely.
Different nursing specialties please if you have not already.
As a doctor in Australia, scope creep for NPs and PAs is less of an issue but it's interesting to see where we're headed (likely a similar path to the US).
It's bad in the US! The VA has been scrubbing physians for NPs as have clinics and urgent care. I know many people who saw NPs and never knew it because they don't have to say they are a NP and they generally look like a physician with the white coat. You pay the same but get a much less knowledgeable/educated person.
@@kg-ke1fw you’ve been leaving so many different negative comments about NPs in this comment section and it’s just really sad. I hope on my journey as a physician I don’t become this egotistical.
@@jennelgarcia obviously you know nothing about nps because they are a bane to the profession.
@@kg-ke1fw glad to know many physicians who don’t feel this way
@@jennelgarcia every physician i know thinks nps are doing nothing but bringing problems to the industry. You obviously have no clue.
I’m an aspiring NP (Nursing student currently going for BSN) and.. I’m kind of split on the whole “doctor” title here,
On one hand, it can be misleading for a client to refer to an NP as “Doctor” if said client sees that title and automatically assumes that this person is trained comparably to a physician.
On the other hand, there are plenty of professions that 1)require doctorates 2) those with the doctorate are referred to as DR and 3) no one is necessarily confused by their scope of practice… like, majority of people realize a psychologist is a Doctor but not necessarily the one who is going to diagnose a particular infection from Malaysia. People at large realize that the Doctor title, at this point, does not necessarily mean 7 year Medical Doctor. It’s just a matter of educating society on one more profession (Nurse Practioner) that just so happens to require a Doctorate and therefore the correct way to address this person is Doctor.
I’m not decided on one being right over the other, understand; I just kinda see both cases.
I'm with you there. I plan to get my DNP one day or PhD, but I will never call myself doctor in a clinical setting. An academic setting, like teaching at a university, yes I would because it would add to my educational credibility. When I was a CNA, I got called nurse all the time, which was fine (patients sometimes had memory issues) until patients would ask me for things that needed an actual nurse. When I get my NP, I don't want to inadvertently be put into an awkward situation or deal with certain liabilities. It would be nice if they could create a separate prefix/title for NPs to avoid this controversy
They’re not clients they’re patients. Do not swallow the noctor/nursing school Kool Aid. The only one who suffers is the patient.
Thank you! Appreciated.
Physical therapist considering becoming a psychiatric NP!
I’ve been waiting for this video for so long! I start my nursing program in august and I really wanted to see your input!!!!
Hey Dr. Jubaal, I wanna ask you a question: "How did you manage your time so effectively, like you're active on all fields from being in a med school to having a vacation tour to gym and many more? Please make a separate video on it. It's gonna be really helpful for all of us🤗
-Love from Nepal🇳🇵
I just posted a video on this topic! Great question~
I disagree with the hours, you have tons of hours from Nursing school totally different than PAs. Also some have more than 10 years of experience from ICU to ER etc.
You should do: so you want to be a pharmacist
Video would be easy. "So you want to be a pharmacist? No. You don't." -a pharmacist
couldn't get into med school? hehe
@@hritvikjain__3594 Crazily enough, I actually did.. just after I finished pharmacy school
@@hritvikjain__3594 man, people act like medical school is the only thing that makes someone valid.
I know some NP’s that can run circles around some MD’s. It’s mainly due to where/ how they were trained and true commitment to quality care. What state you reside in affects your scope of practice and many NPs are impacted by lawsuits these days. I thank God my mentors were great and I attend CE courses frequently (Wendy Wright is so knowledgeable) to keep up to date. Good luck choosing what’s best for you.
Nurses have very better practical knowledge then most of the doctors
lol doctors probably know more about wiping butts than nurses and thats all nurses do all day
Take some knowledge about nurses before commenting here,doctors and nurses hv their own roles and responsibilities not only cleaning,they do much more,so try to shut up if u don't know what they do
Yeah thats all they do is wipe ass lol. Nothing else. You are so smart@@mortaccio4241
I didn't want to be a part of medical field because I knew it would be hard but it's worth it to me. I want to be a pnp (in nursing school for bsn currently) because I love the life-work balance, the expertise I can provide, application of medicine, and being able to work with families and kids on a bonded level.
What did you do to get accepted into school? I’m nervous I won’t get accepted.
@@calebkennedy2237 study maybe
Please do "so you want to be an infectious diseases doctor" ❤️
Yes 👏 👏I like this topic to
I left the USMC and found that a lot of vets go the NP route. I', not there yet, but what they said seems to me to be true/ Working in the ED, I see that most MDs don't have what it takes to deal with critical cases. All the education goes out the window and they need pocket guides. Their education is useless because they don't have the personality to work in clinical settings. I as an RN have found myself leading MDs because they forget everything in a real situation. I can't imagine how annoying the extra work will be when becoming an NP.
here in the uk to work as an RN you have to have a 4 year bsn and a minimum of 2.500 clinical hours and 2 years clinical experience minimum before applying for a specialty
Does anyone want to see a So You Want to Be A Pharmacist?
I would really like some videos about
PM&R
Endocrinologist
Rheumatologist
And family medicine
FM would be cool to see, since it’s one of the most matched specialities
Direct entry program costs are way higher $120-150 here in California as it includes rn
Family Medicine?
Oncologist?
Hematologist?
CRNA?
Thanks for the uploads, I love your channel!
CRNA yikes
@@humphryshan9494 what
In other words the goalkeeper shouldn't try to be the midfield and the mid shouldn't try to be the striker and visa versa and so on.
Yes NP with no doctorate degree should not call themselves doctors but NPs with DNP degrees have the right to be called doctors. Doctor title isn’t just for physicians. Anyone who earns a doctorate degree in any field can be called doctor. You can earn doctorate in teaching and be called doctor. Those who introduce themselves as doctors, have the doctorate degrees. So why doctors think the title doctor is only for them?! My answer is, cuz they still have an outdated mentality. Anyone who earns doctorate degree in any fried can be called doctors. There is no misleading issue. Doctor of Nursing, doctor of medicine l, doctor of financing… etc.
National Organization of Nurse Practitioner Faculties (NONPF) made the
commitment to move all entry-level nurse practitioner (NP) education to the Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) degree by 2025. So, it is critical to have a doctorate. This video misinforms people who want to enter this field of study.
Plz do so you want to be a oncologists 🙏❤️
Can a registered nurse go to medical school to become a physician?
Of course! You just have to take all the prereqs and take the MCAT and apply just like any other premed. It's not uncommon to find nurses wanting more autonomy and knowledge and seeking a medical degree
@@bmsenpai8386 plenty of people in my med school were nurses before
Yup just get your pre reqs finished take the mcat get letters of recs and then apply
One of my classmates was a surgical nurse (RN) for 20 years before starting medical school. It's definitely a plus, as long as you get your prereqs and MCAT in top shape!
@@bmsenpai8386 nah nursing science classes are watered down simplified versions. Jumping from nursing to pre-med will require taking the harder versions of science classes as well as their labs. Take those, then do well on the MCAT and figure out a way to do volunteering/research/extracurriculars to be a competitive applicant
Can you do a video on so you want to be a PM & R physician?
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Should rename this episode to “So You Want to Be a Noctor [Ep. 25]”
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About a third of this video was just animosity about people being, or wanting to become DNP...
Can you do a so you want to be a clinical pharmacist and what their roles are
Is it possible for you to do a “so you want to be a pathologist”? I’m very interested in the topic as a career option
For the clinical hours part, NP train in one specialty for 500-1500 hours, whereas PA train in several different specialties for 2000 hours.
PA's are assistants
Right. But many of them just go into PA school with shadowing experience. While RNs went through nursing school and then worked on the wards. So don't discount that experience.
Thats actually a good point. So in actuality they have minimal training to have split the 2k hours amongst several speacialties.
Great video! I appreciate the transparency :)
Wow after debating about some of these issues in your, "what they don't tell you about medical school" comment section, I'm surprised that you had the balls to tackle NPs lol. It feels so hostile between NPs and physicians/ medical students on the internet, but rarely in real life!
People deserve the truth. I just have to approach these things gingerly
Actually, physicians really don't like NPs though most that I know act professional around them. NPs are a direct threat not only to the profession but also liability.
@@kg-ke1fw maybe that's true where you're from but that's doesn't seem to be the case where I live. I see physicians and NPs eating lunch playing golf and just laughing it up in the hallways all the time. This is why I am just genuinely surprised at the hostility the internet gangstas have against NPs. Then again, the NPs i see in my state are always where they were designed to be which is in primary care so maybe that's why 🤷🏾♀️
@@mrs.wolfengrave8786 again, it's not like either refuse to speak to one another or can be friends. It's more like physicians don't like how NPs are taking over their role in many fields and confuse patients. You mentioned PC which NPs seem to be taking the job of a physician. While I'm sure some are fine they all lack the knowledge and education of a MD/DO thus either give patients wrong info or run up costs for patients. Studies are coming out showing this and hopefully it'll force hospitals/VA to rethink hiring NPs.
@@kg-ke1fw I don't understand why people in the comment section try to argue to completely get rid of NPs when they have been an integral part of primary care since the 60s. I think it's a fruitless fight. Let's fight for a more standardized educational system for NPs! Let's fight to end these absurd diploma mill online schools to protect patient safety and I totally understand the anger toward mid-level creep but primary care is NOT creep, it is literally what NPs were designed to tackle and they did an amazing job which is why the field ballooned the way it did, but the problem is the lack of regulation in recent years. The state by state lack of regulation is due to the continued shortage of primary care physicians. That shortage will continue to grow. I say we fight for a national standard for NPs the way registered nursing has a national standard.
Love your channel!
Can you please do “So You Want To Be A Family Medicine Physician” please.
I would really appreciate it!
Not sure why because it's basically a 3 year intern/residency after med school.
@@kg-ke1fw Well that is what I would personally like to see. Just like everyone else commentating what they want to see. Pediatrician and internal medicine are 3 years and there is a video for both of them. So what is your point???
I’m already in a np program and it’s not easy but it’s worth it this time next year I will be in my final stretch and near the end of next year I pray I will do a video of finishing the program
hope you success 👊
Could you guys do " so you want to be a registered nurse" next?
I'm currently trying to decide if I should go PA or MD. There are ups and downs for both and I'm having a really hard time deciding. On one hand, I love the work life balance I could have as a PA. Having time off, being with my wife, etc. However, on the flip side, it has always been my dream to be a doctor. To be more specific a trauma surgeon. However over the years the specialities I've considered and have interest in have varied, and now I'm possibly considering PA. I'm so conflicted because I ultimately want to be happy with what I choose. I don't want to regret not going MD, but I also don't want to regret going MD over PA. Has anyone else experienced this? If so what did you do?
I’m currently part of a trauma surgery team for my training and the PAs are a super vital part of the team but do not participate in the actual surgeries. They do care for the patients and respond to trauma situations but the operations always fall to the attending doctors and residents. If you want to be a trauma surgeon, I would say go MD! If you want to be part of a trauma team but don’t necessarily want to operate, I would say go PA!
PA is a way shorter route. MD requires like 9 more years of total training... compared to 2 years for PA. so if you're dedicated enough and truely want to operate and don't mind spending more time going MD, i'd say go MD. but if not, PA would lead to way better work life balance
@@mhayfor6273 Now PAs would also like to be surgeons? A Truly ridiculous. In the US the death of the medical profession is starting.
You should do PA …. What’s the point of going to med school when a NP and PA basically are starting to do the same thing . Save your money and mental health and do PA
Only thing I would add is to typically get into NP programs you need experience working in a field. I personally have 3 years of exerpeiences with 4000 hours of working 12 hour shifts working alongside physicians in my area of specialty. You learn things. You learn what to do and how to act and therefore can use that in that NP specialty. So yes, the hours of NP school requirements are lower but it is not like people get into NP school with 0 hours of experience... Just something to think about.
Healthcare is one area of education in the US in which the demands of the labor market have actively started shaped degrees and curricula. Sometimes that's been very healthy. The abundance of medical tech degrees and certifications is a good example of how this can work well. The NP, PA, MD overlap is an odd outcome created by the shortage of MDs in certain regions and certain specialties. It seems to solve the shortage problem but I have to wonder if the roles couldn't be more effectively distinguished from each other. What strengths and weaknesses does the nursing model offer that the medical model is less good at? And surely PAs could be integrated into a reshaped medical education with all MDs being PAs first, raining expérience and earning income before deciding y if they want the extra degree to be a specialist in the more complicated areas of medicine.
Yea there should me a pa to md step program like they have for lpn to rn. I read that by 2034 or comethin we will literally have a huge shortage of Md. that is so dangerous because nursing doesn’t go into the science aspect like doctors do. Something needs to be done 😢😢
I was waiting for this video ty so much!!!!
I would love to see a video about dentists, I’ve been debating if that’s the path I want to take 😊
I’m a nursing student and against the idea of NP’s calling themselves Dr,
But as holders of DNP or phd in nursing, they can call themselves dr according to the degree they have not as a scope of practice.
exactly. Dentists only have a doctrate but call themselves doctors