Good video, a couple notes from us on this: the 270 and 274 cams are both very large cams for a 5.7. We designed the 270 to be a great all around performance cam for the 6.4, and the 274 is really meant for high RPM/ added displacement racing applications. After seeing this, we might look into doing a truly apples to apples comparison on a 5.7, 6.1 or 6.4 with a couple of our cam options vs. stock.
I just got a custom grind in my hands to my spec using your cores of course to test.. I'll report my findings back to A.mick in a week or so.. hell I'll probably just make another video.
@@OMGITSMRMACK Awesome! One of our biggest struggles is convincing people that the biggest cam we have available isn't always the best option for them....
@@Compcams1976 the 6.1 I posted aka my car.. made 500whp on the same dyno with my head work and manifold work and what not.. the cam in that car is smaller than the 270 that people are putting in 5.7s.. I think youd like the specs I came up with for my tuners 5.7 build.. I wont talk about them publicly as I never do.. being as I like to keep the competition 10 steps behind.. but I know exactly what they like and people are doing it wrong.. once I test the 5.7 stuff I'll get with yall and I might actually sell that cam as a cam only to people out of state.. I wont currently sell anything else I don't install.. but the 5.7 guys need some help!
@@OMGITSMRMACK Not many people are aware of it, but we do have a No Springs Required Thumpr Cam for the Gen 3 or 4 Hemis that will sound close to the 274 without nearly as much drivability loss. Part number is 201-700-11. We're also VERY close to coming out with more Hemi options for cams and more, so keep your eyes on our social media....
@@scottspencer6554 I would question some things with your claim lol. So 450whp with the 274 is what you claim? With a 5.7 just to be clear... and what do you expect a tune to be able to do? Squeeze out power to the point of throwing rods out the block... maybe breaking some ring lands? The difference in that type of power and safe tuning is literally 5 to 10hp.. that's it.. considering it's the same tuner and same dyno it's a good comparison.. if you're ever in the area of this dyno feel free to come by and do some pulls to compare in the same situation as these were run.. I'll even pay for your dyno pulls.. comparing these numbers to a dyno that might had had settings played with proves nothing.. this is indeed apples to apples.. same dyno matters.. hell my 500whp 6.1 would make about 520 down the street at the closest other local dyno.. I dont go there to claim I gained 20 😂😂 I do all my testing with the same wheels even.. and air pressure or my info is void.
no question about it ,the 6.4 cam is without question the best cam for the 5.7. not only in cost but ease of tuning , it retains vvt and you loose nothing down low. i did this swap a few years ago in my 09 chally R/T 6m 392 rear end with 18" wheels , let me tell you i picked up about 60 gross HP, all i used was a new 6.4 cam, mopar performance valve springs, new lifters, stock rods and retainers and a good tune with a wide band o2. the 5.7 cam starts running out of breath around 5400 the 6.4 cam starts breathing at that and all the way up to about 6300 .incredible difference , all for under 2k in parts and i did the work.
the reason for shifting 62-6400 rpm on the 5.7 isn't where its making power up top, its where it dumps you after the shift. its better to "lose" a little bit up there than to have to rebuild it down lower after the shift
Thanks man you have proved my theory that majority people don't understand how a hemi makes power on lower shift points by letting the engines trq work...they overrev shift points and cause car to actually loose power... obvious when you see a hemi falls on it's face at 3rd gear...the cars just starting to make power there...
Too much cam and too much rpm are pretty funny to me in most cases... my 6.1 cam that allowed me to make 500whp and 498tq is smaller than most of the 5.7 cans people are running 😂
My 5.7 cam gains the whole way and sounds pretty good at idle as long as you have a good exhaust. Got a great videos on it.. even made more than a 274 up top.
Damn didnt see this.. so these are 3 different cars on the same dyno same tuner.. the 6.4 cammed car has stock heads and a stock 6.4 intake and some short headers.. the 270 car had a stock 5.7 intake and ported heads and shorties also I belive.. I know it was loud.. and the other car was just bolt ons with a tune to see how a stock car compared.. testing another cam option now that I feel might be a solid 5.7 vvt cam.. I've been wanting to test it BUT I didnt have a car I could truly test all the manifolds and different things on.. I will be doing some head work as well being as the goal is to make power over all.. funny thing is I just commented on your video and DM'd you on IG before seeing this comment
Great to NOT have garbage music! I am wondering what suppliers you used to buy the camshafts + Lifters - Building a 2015 6.4 as well as a 2016 5.7 now.
I want to see what it does with a 6200 lb 4 door Ram. I'm wanting to put a 6.4 truck intake and injectors and a 392 Scatpack cam in my 5.7. Im figuring about 90 hp over stock. I have BBK SHORTIES, 21/2 true duels without cats and a hot HP TUNERS flash tune.
So I have 2016 charger rt road and track I have a automatic 6.4 camshaft so using a 6.4 camshaft is better then stock and 270 cam? Also is the 6.4 cam a direct swap with spring upgrade?
@@aaronferguson47 need a spring upgrade.. with the sear pressures of the aftermarket springs id reccomend getting rid of the mds.. you can get melling lifters off rock auto for like 250 for a set.. same as oem.. you dont need a phase limiter or anything either.
They make about 330 on ours.. some times a little more some times a little less.. depends on mods. Thats why I try not to compare since you really can't unless its the same dyno
It dynoed more on everything we've ever put it on.. swapped on the dyno lol. If they didn't tune the active runners and shit correctly I could see an issue.
how would this work on a truck intake? I'm swapping a manual challenger 5.7 into a 79 Ramcharger, I have a truck intake which is supposed to be better. May use the truck 6.4 intake on the 6.4 for my Duster.
I haven't tested on a truck. I have my own 5.7 grind now that I use these days for the cars and trucks so I haven't done a 6.4 cam since this honestly since people want the sound too
Question. The 392 and the stock 5.7 cam is made to run MDS lifters on 4 cylinders. Is it possible to replace the lifters on the 4 MDS cylinders with standard mopar lifters used on the other 4 cylinders to eliminate the MDS lifters that are known to fail? Or maybe put hellcat lifters on a stick MDS cam? I believe the comp cams have to have a different lifter set than stock lifters. I am looking to improve reliability and improve power but it would be cool to save some money too.
They fail on non MDS cars too..so its not the MDS system, but the quality of the lifters IMO...which BTW has been updated and all Hemi's from the Hellcat to the 5.7L all use the same lifters now.
@@ericbryant796 true but so few non mds factory vehicles exist it isn’t something that gains attention. The lifter quality is an issue, but in my opinion, the worst problems occur in vehicles that sit and idle a lot. Fleet vehicles such as police cars, work crews in trucks etc. the lifter oiling relies on oil being slung from the crankshaft, they don’t get pressurized oil. When the engine idles it gets less oil than when driving at higher rpm on the highways. Our local police cars see cam failures far more frequently than the highway patrol cars. They sit and idle a lot more and sit at traffic lights while highway cars see more higher rpm use and fail less often. I think the designers failed when they designed the oiling of these engines.
Hey I got excited by the 6.4 cam into 5.7 discussion but checking on where to get the one I'd need I noticed there are different versions depending on which car. I have a 2015 Laramie 1500 that needs a cam and I want to put in the right one! Can you steer me in the right direction. (great thread!)
I have a few questions with the 6.4 cam do you get better oiling so you don’t flatten the cam as many 5.7 hemis have. also which rear gears did each car have that many times can play a role in dyno numbers also having experience with a dyno I know that if you heat up the rollers you can get higher numbers that way if the cars were ran back to back the last car could show higher dyno numbers
Looking on rockauto and there's two different part numbers for the 6.4L cam, one is out of stock and the other is like $250. What's the difference? 5038419AB vs 5037379BC
Not 100% sure.. now they do claim the manual is different.. but I can tell you the hp difference in stock cars isn't much more than the transmissions from what I've seen.. its close. I have a pile of stock 6.4 cams.. used but in perfect shape. Id send you one for $125 shipping here in the US.. mackbuilt is my IG if you want on.. id do cash app.. it would come fed ex and be in a comp cams box.. I cam a ton of 6.4s so I usually always have them.
does the hell cat oil pump work on it also? it adds slight oil pressure at idle speeds where police cars that were sitting idling for hours would scrap their engines . . . hell cat oil pump fixes the issue at least in the hellcat, it should fit correct? Also so i can use the 392 hemi 6.4, cam, intake , headers, and throttle body correct? and what a custom tune chip?
Hey there, did you so the cam swap? How did it turn out, and did you have to upgrade valve springs and such. I purchased the cam and didnt install because I heard that I would lose power and torque on the low end and only gain on top end.
On a 2019 charger RT can i install a 392 cam from another charger? No spring required or heads off the car? I'm used to LS motors and just pushing a dowel rod to hold the lifters up and swap the cam without taking the heads off. I know these vehicles have MDS but if i get a 392 cam from an auto car, is it just a straight swap?
@@castlehouse2275 found mine used on FB marketplace along with the intake got them both for a steal of a deal they came off a similar year challenger with 24k miles.
Something seems off to me. Based solely on cam specs the 270 is the largest of the 3 and would make the most power especially peak power. I'm not hating and certainly not trying to be an ass but something isn't adding up. As for the 6.4 active intake it's a great mod! I was one of the first to install it on my 16 R/T and I'm the one who helped R/T life through the install process who he is seen talking to on the phone in his video. I was just too far a drive for him to come for me to actually do his install for him.
Not trying to be an ass, but the fact that you think the largest cam would make the most power shows you dont understand how anything works with these engines. Hell my 6.1 made 500whp and 497tq with a cam smaller than what most people put in these 5.7s.. people have it all fucked up.. the dyno didnt lie.. I have nothing to gain by putting this out there to shit on the 270.. but if you read through the comments you'll see where comp cams even stated that it's too big for a 5.7 lol.. but there are a ton of people who dont actually "get it".. so it's all good.. again.. not trying to be an ass.
sean5comet. It’s simple, two big of a cam pushes the torque and hp to far to the right, this cause you to be in the higher rpm range all the time to move anywhere, this is not good useable power, especially in heavier cars and trucks that need the torque. Your intake manifold and cam are setup to run together in unison. You should watch a couple of Richard Holden videos.
Recently seen then used in alot of cars.. ive givin a few to some buddies to toss in 5.7s when they're doing a simple rebuild or something and everyone has been happy.. im gonna drop a video shortly with a twin turbo 5.7 with a 6.4 cam actually.
@OMGITSMRMACK where will I find this cam ? Everywhere I look the can it’s about 500$ is that right ? Is there any way that you could put a list of part needed to do this swap ? And the cost as well and where to get this parts ? Thanks man I would appreciate your input. I have 15 charger r/t with efi cai and flowmasters 40 series. if that would help.
@@LuisGuzman-tg9ql no, however I got rid of my 16 charger and got a 21 scat pack. But while I had my r/t I’d purchased a mopar scat pack stage two performance packaged that I never got to install. So I still have it in a crate lol
I’m wondering what a SRT 6.4 cam could do in a Ram with a 6.4 truck manifold. Seems like the Ram 5.7 breathes super well, especially when paired with the 6.4 manifold. Do you have any experience with Ram builds? Been following you for a while. Definitely been considering a full 392 package in it, but seeing the gains for so cheap on a factory cam, had me thinking about a low key set up to pick on people with 😂😂😂
If it adds low and mid gains, in a ram how often are you high in the rpm range? Sure peak gains are great, but in a truck you want more lower and mid gains.
@@joshkrause2977 I drag raced the truck, so low range didn’t do much since I had a 4k rpm stall. It was only interesting at the time if I could get a cam that sounded like stock to hustle people on the side. But lost interest and wanted to go faster and got rid of it.
I have the same six speed set up and just installed a 392 cam. It Barely runs and won’t idle. It hasn’t left the jackstands. I was under the impression this 5.7 could run the 392 cam on a stock tune. My timing is spot on. Doing some research one person stated that their motor has five different cam variants. Is it possible I have the wrong Variant? The cam I used is from the same year 392 manual. Thanks for any feedback
Ro Shambo nope. I abandoned the cam and went with custom grind. I’m installing it tomorrow; cleaning the heads up today. I think the 392 cam would yield significant results, especially for its price. But there isn’t enough research on for me. I’m thinking it’s the wrong cam. It’s a manual cam, just like my car, but there’s 5 DIFFERENT variants of cams for a GEN lll Hemi.
So is it safe to say I can order a factory replacement 6.4 cam for my 5.7 from rockauto or similar places cheaper than a big aftermarket cam and get same results?
Yea, safe to say you should just make sure its oem and youd get the same if you used a 6.4 manifold set up right. I may have a 6.4 cam coming out of a customer car soon too.. if you go that route I can link yall up
@@OMGITSMRMACK hey thatd be awesome, thanks. Was actually thinking of going with an edelbrock intake manifold for the straight forward throttle body mount, I made a functional ram air box with my hellcat hood, that and probably long tubes that aren't a million dollars
OMGITSMRMACK lol what! 496wheel from a tune and CAI? I highly doubt that especially if it has a stock fuel set up. I’ve had my car tuned on the same dyno as scats hellcats and so forth. I know I’m pushing a realistic number 430 wheel from headers and a cam with a proper tune.
I wanna do a cam swap on my 2018 ram 5.7 1500 but which can do i get I want the 6.4 cam but not sure if the cams are different from the 6.4 from the rams and challengers chargers etc
Nope it won't. Youll need a non vvt cam. You can use a 6.1 cam in it.. but a comp 260 or something is a nice mild cam for a truck 5.7.. the p3 is hard to tune so going crazy is a problem waiting to happen
Wont be doing that test.. the time and stuff to do it aint something im worried about unless someone specifically wants that cam.. but.. in a few hours ill know if my tuners got his own RT for us to test stuff on.. if so im going to order a cam up that ive been wanting to try and see if it does better than whats shown.. with the plan to turbo it also in mind.. ill update the channel later if the car deal happens.
@@bryanunion5110 i think the car would gain a little more with the 6.4 intake but would still fall short of the 6.4 cam set up.. the intake itself wont make up the difference entirely.. if he gets this car we'll be testing the 6.1 intake ported and stock and the 6.4 intake on his all vs the 5.7 stock intake to see whats the top dog.
Roberto Ochoa me too it’s cheap and the split on intake/exhaust is similar to the stock cam. From my understanding the exhaust ports on the eagle heads are trash.
Mopar has performance valve springs for like 200 bucks they can hold the 274 cam,its in their description. Find a mopar site and look ot up under the 300,gave mine away toa guy who put a 274 on.
This looks like it would be a nice option for the rams idk if you ever mess with the trucks much but I bought a new body 19 ram Laramie I know it has the variable intake runners like the 6.4s which is cool but I'm wanting to get the HP up a bit and get rid of those shitty lifters and MDS right off the bat I've seen so many videos of them failing and tearing shit up. This is my first hemi vehicle my other rides are all LS and new LT stuff, it definitely seems like the hemi stuff is quite a bit more expensive. Lol but I love the truck so far GM lost me on their new 19's absolutely terrible inside and out.
board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2676160/6-4-srt-cam-in-a-stock-5-7-ram.html It's been done and works very well, it's great with a tune
just put a 392 cam in my 2010 dodge challenger rt but I did the MDS delete and this cam has MDS so I don't know what to do at this point. Should I add mds back on or is there a 392 cam without MDS
Its non mds.. itll be pretty close im sure. Haven't had anyone request one since this car or id know.. I throw enough stock cams out at this point that its a shame I don't have someone to use them
@@zacharykelley359 man Hn 😂 if you’re going 6.4, just go non mds 6.4. Mds 6.4 won’t do anything for you, but hey, if you want it 🤷🏽♂️ just don’t expect these numbers
No, but 6.1 cams are pretty cheap and there are plenty of drop end options.. vvt stuff is expensive in comparison and that makes the 6.4 a nice budget set up
6.1 cam and the 6.4/5.7VVT cams are different cores, the front bearing is larger on the 6.4/5.7VVT cams .....you can not physically put the 6.4/5.7VVT cam in the older 6.1/5.7 blocks.
Hey man. I was wondering 5 yrs now what are your thoughts. Is it still worth getting. I have a 2010 5.7 with 392 ported intake manifold full bolt ons. Hp tuner. Should i get it. Do i need to switch the springs out or ok to just swap it
@chetlangford2144 have to do springs. Imo if the budget is there just get a solid cam. If the difference for a cam and lock aint there then the 6.4 is solid.
I feel like it depends on over all goals/mods/budget.. there is no simple 1 size fits all answer.. everything I do for people is geared around that answer.
If i wanted to put the 6.4l cam in my 2017 charger rt, would it be smarter to spent the extra cash and delete mds or is there not much difference between hp and tq on the mds 6.4 cam and non mds
Me personally would delete mds anyways, I say that because when you run the 6.4 cam you have to upgrade the springs and the added pressure on the stock mds lifters worries me a bit.. and for around 250 bucks for a full set of melling lifters.. it's hard to pass up. I plan to make a video on all the stuff needed for the swap, just haven't had time to do it just yet.
@@OMGITSMRMACK have You Had Any Experience With "No Name" Non MDS Hemi Lifters? They Are Substantially Cheaper. No Idea If I Should Stick With Mopar Lifters Or Go With Cheap Aftermarket. I Hear It's Usually The MDS Lifters That Fail. So Maybe A Cheap Non MDS Lifters Are Fine And A Cheap MDS Lifter Is Not Good.
What was the Duty cycle of the Injectors with the 6.4 cam/manifold and longtube setup? I just snagged up some 6.4L Injectors. You think ill need them? Getting tuned next monday
I would have to ask the tuner.. but the injectors looked like 6.1 stuff to me.. the black with yellow markings.. the cars not making enough power to really lean on the fuel system much.. i dont think you'll need them.. made a deal on a 2014 5.7 car last night.. going to get it today.. and after the title stuffs straight im placing a cam order for it to test.. its my tuners new project.. ill be sure to see how the fuel system holds up in that video
I ended up throwing some 6.4 injectors in my build. The engine was running very rough and thought it might need some more fuel. So for science i just put them in. It runs WAY smoother now.. And i still dont have a tune on it. Working on that today though. Ported 6.4L intake, ported throttle body, 6.4L camshaft, Long tube headers, 3" dual exhaust, X pipe, Kooks bullet mufflers, 4" dual tips, Melling high performance oil pump, 160 T Stat. Forged pushrods, Mopar performance Valve Spings and all new valve train hardware.
I have the same setup as the 6.4 cam car SRT shorties and mids, stock straight piped exhaust, frakentake 3 and Johan tune, drag radials. What other mods do you recommend to get to around 500whp. How much is the 6.4 cam to install.
We should have a 274 saved all motor.. the stock 6.4 cams smaller than the 270.. either way it saves about 1000 bucks so its pretty cool.. ill try and see if we can find the 274 files.. if so ill post them on IG.. i know the 274 in a 6.4 was laughable.
Dude test a hellcat cam in a 5.7. I got a 6.4 cam in my car but it don’t like the non mds lifters. I was considering the hellcat cam to correct the idle issues but if the power under the curve or peak ain’t much better I may just leave it be.
Run psi springs and titanium retainers. The comp cams springs are a sideways upgrade from stock. I'd replace the lifters with gen 3 lifters from the hellcat.
@@masta51 my comp springs have 48k hard miles on them so far lol.. and all my builds run them or PAC with no issues. Some cars have 80k+ running strong.. and anyone who knows anything will tell you that titanium is a no no for a street engine. 😐
@@OMGITSMRMACK the 6.4 cam gains a lot up top I see , the manifold tho is all bottom end ... From what I've seen anyway. Me and my buddy have identical cars , 8 speed 5.7s. Similar bolt ons , both have shorties (I have Jba he has 6.4 exhaust manifolds ) , both have hellcat air box with drop in filter , and I'm straight pipe from stock cats back , he's got srt cats with flowmaster outlaw mufflers ... I'm hp tuned , he's hemifever tuned.We both dynod on the same dyno , same day. Results were 363rwhp/401rwtq for him , 376 rwhp/398 rwtq for me . Graphs show he made more torque faster than me , but my hp was a bit better and didn't fall off as fast as his (not a huge difference but you can see it on the graph ) my tq peaked at 4400, his peaked at 4100 . My hp peaked at 5300 , his peaked at 5100 . You did peak my interest in a 6.4 cam though. Lol 🧐
@@4TwentyVisioN when I compare intake manifolds and stuff.. I try and do things like that on the same car on the same dyno back to back.. an ideal test even for the cams would of all been done in the same car.. but that's a bit harder to do.. I've done the manifold only swap with good results and will have another one to do soon.. I guess I'll remember to make video of the over lay when I do the next swap for people to see.
@@DaddyWagon2014 the cars show.. nag 1.. it dont matter what the trans is if the cars are on the same level.. the 8 speed cars always dyno more than the nag 1.. and the 8 speeds real close to how a manual trans dynos.. duynoed 2 2015 cars stock.. one 6 speed and one 8 and they were only like 4hp apart. Hope that answers what you're asking
Looking to do budget cam since head gasket started leaking externally. Can you send me a contact email? Looking to maybe do 6.4 cam . I have 2011 5.7 with mds . Can you send me a quote for what i will need . Looking to order as a kit.
Good video, a couple notes from us on this: the 270 and 274 cams are both very large cams for a 5.7. We designed the 270 to be a great all around performance cam for the 6.4, and the 274 is really meant for high RPM/ added displacement racing applications. After seeing this, we might look into doing a truly apples to apples comparison on a 5.7, 6.1 or 6.4 with a couple of our cam options vs. stock.
I just got a custom grind in my hands to my spec using your cores of course to test.. I'll report my findings back to A.mick in a week or so.. hell I'll probably just make another video.
@@OMGITSMRMACK Awesome! One of our biggest struggles is convincing people that the biggest cam we have available isn't always the best option for them....
@@Compcams1976 the 6.1 I posted aka my car.. made 500whp on the same dyno with my head work and manifold work and what not.. the cam in that car is smaller than the 270 that people are putting in 5.7s.. I think youd like the specs I came up with for my tuners 5.7 build.. I wont talk about them publicly as I never do.. being as I like to keep the competition 10 steps behind.. but I know exactly what they like and people are doing it wrong.. once I test the 5.7 stuff I'll get with yall and I might actually sell that cam as a cam only to people out of state.. I wont currently sell anything else I don't install.. but the 5.7 guys need some help!
@@OMGITSMRMACK Not many people are aware of it, but we do have a No Springs Required Thumpr Cam for the Gen 3 or 4 Hemis that will sound close to the 274 without nearly as much drivability loss. Part number is 201-700-11. We're also VERY close to coming out with more Hemi options for cams and more, so keep your eyes on our social media....
@@scottspencer6554 I would question some things with your claim lol. So 450whp with the 274 is what you claim? With a 5.7 just to be clear... and what do you expect a tune to be able to do? Squeeze out power to the point of throwing rods out the block... maybe breaking some ring lands? The difference in that type of power and safe tuning is literally 5 to 10hp.. that's it.. considering it's the same tuner and same dyno it's a good comparison.. if you're ever in the area of this dyno feel free to come by and do some pulls to compare in the same situation as these were run.. I'll even pay for your dyno pulls.. comparing these numbers to a dyno that might had had settings played with proves nothing.. this is indeed apples to apples.. same dyno matters.. hell my 500whp 6.1 would make about 520 down the street at the closest other local dyno.. I dont go there to claim I gained 20 😂😂 I do all my testing with the same wheels even.. and air pressure or my info is void.
no question about it ,the 6.4 cam is without question the best cam for the 5.7. not only in cost but ease of tuning , it retains vvt and you loose nothing down low. i did this swap a few years ago in my 09 chally R/T 6m 392 rear end with 18" wheels , let me tell you i picked up about 60 gross HP, all i used was a new 6.4 cam, mopar performance valve springs, new lifters, stock rods and retainers and a good tune with a wide band o2. the 5.7 cam starts running out of breath around 5400 the 6.4 cam starts breathing at that and all the way up to about 6300 .incredible difference , all for under 2k in parts and i did the work.
This is what I’m doing to my truck right now
Can you please provide a link to the 6.4 cam ? I am looking to install one to my 2019 rt
I'm thinking about doing this in for my jeep 5.7 hemi 2011 would i need just the cam or something else required.?
@@jakeroga3204 looking now will get back to you in bout 10 mins
@@Nick_Giryou need cam and valve springs will get part numbers for you in bit gotta find bros first
Thank you for the lack of thug music and getting to the meat of the post.
Very informative and learned alot
Wtf is thug music ?
I literally just swapped the 6.4 Cam in my 5.7 jeep. I have the 6.4 manifold and longtubes. Nighy and day difference
Team Mopar, did you have the engine tuned for the 6.4 cam swap? I'm pulling the trigger asap.
Did you have to tune it
Definitely need to tune for anyone asking
@Shae Chafin mopar parts 79 dollars
I just did a 6.4 cam in my limited 11' gc and hot damn the thing moves now.
the reason for shifting 62-6400 rpm on the 5.7 isn't where its making power up top, its where it dumps you after the shift. its better to "lose" a little bit up there than to have to rebuild it down lower after the shift
Thanks man you have proved my theory that majority people don't understand how a hemi makes power on lower shift points by letting the engines trq work...they overrev shift points and cause car to actually loose power... obvious when you see a hemi falls on it's face at 3rd gear...the cars just starting to make power there...
Too much cam and too much rpm are pretty funny to me in most cases... my 6.1 cam that allowed me to make 500whp and 498tq is smaller than most of the 5.7 cans people are running 😂
OMGITSMRMACK. I’m only going to run a 209/226 cam in my 6.4 Stroker, good overall torque/ horsepower in a truck.
6.4 cam is in my 5.7's future. I really want a nice lopey idle but the bigger cams lose a lot of low end, and cost way more than a $200 MOPAR cam
My 5.7 cam gains the whole way and sounds pretty good at idle as long as you have a good exhaust. Got a great videos on it.. even made more than a 274 up top.
And people thought I was crazy using a 6.4 cam in my 900 whp twin turbo Dodge Charger R/T.
Every cam is a turbo cam
Steven Cash. Richard would be proud.
I’m only using a 209/226 in my 5.7 to 6.4 Stroker for my 5,500Ib 4door Ram 1500, I want torque!
how much boost to hit that number and what turbos? i’m just starting my build. looking for good info and ideas
When installing the 392 camshaft in a 5.7 do you need a camshaft phaser limiter ?
I'd be very interested to see the 5.7 with the 392 cam and long tubes. From what I've seen, the long tubes are about 15hp more than the shorties.
What was going on the with the 392 cam RT, it had a different setup than the 270 & stock 5.7 cam car?
R/T Life was about to tag you in this.
Damn didnt see this.. so these are 3 different cars on the same dyno same tuner.. the 6.4 cammed car has stock heads and a stock 6.4 intake and some short headers.. the 270 car had a stock 5.7 intake and ported heads and shorties also I belive.. I know it was loud.. and the other car was just bolt ons with a tune to see how a stock car compared.. testing another cam option now that I feel might be a solid 5.7 vvt cam.. I've been wanting to test it BUT I didnt have a car I could truly test all the manifolds and different things on.. I will be doing some head work as well being as the goal is to make power over all.. funny thing is I just commented on your video and DM'd you on IG before seeing this comment
OMGITSMRMACK what was needed to run the 6.4 cam in the 5.7? Is it a straight swap?
OMGITSMRMACK also be curious to see if you could test the truck manifold vs the 6.4 I’ve heard they are very similar
@@OMGITSMRMACK I have a 15 R/T with 392 intake/exhaust manifolds..considering the 392 cam swap as well. Do you have part numbers for the swap?
Great to NOT have garbage music! I am wondering what suppliers you used to buy the camshafts + Lifters - Building a 2015 6.4 as well as a 2016 5.7 now.
I want to see what it does with a 6200 lb 4 door Ram. I'm wanting to put a 6.4 truck intake and injectors and a 392 Scatpack cam in my 5.7. Im figuring about 90 hp over stock. I have BBK SHORTIES, 21/2 true duels without cats and a hot HP TUNERS flash tune.
I know the 6.4 intake has active runners. So to save me the trouble on setting that up I wonder how the 6.1 manifold will do with the 6.4 cam.
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I am putting the Jag Green 1.5HL cam in my 5.7 to 6.4 Stroker, the specs are very similar to the factory SRT8 6.4cam.
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Are you able to share those tune file for the 270 setup and the 392 cam setup
That's weird with a wide 121 LSA. There's more to cam specs than I thought.
So a 6.4 cam would help my 5.7 with a Kennebell?
Yea it actually would.
So I have 2016 charger rt road and track I have a automatic 6.4 camshaft so using a 6.4 camshaft is better then stock and 270 cam? Also is the 6.4 cam a direct swap with spring upgrade?
@@aaronferguson47 need a spring upgrade.. with the sear pressures of the aftermarket springs id reccomend getting rid of the mds.. you can get melling lifters off rock auto for like 250 for a set.. same as oem.. you dont need a phase limiter or anything either.
@@OMGITSMRMACK Great info thanks
What’s the best cam at the market for Hemi 5.7? Most hp gain
My 5.7 hemi with only cat delete and kn intake and a tune.
375whp
415 torque
Stock cam!! Why? is it the dyno or my engine is just healthy
They make about 330 on ours.. some times a little more some times a little less.. depends on mods. Thats why I try not to compare since you really can't unless its the same dyno
For the 6.4 cam vs 270 cam which would be better if paired with long tune headers for 5.7 hemi 2014 charger?
Some 6.4 stocks or long tubes would definitely be a good move
Just watched SDPC do some engine dyno testing, the 6.4 intake wasn’t as good as the 5.7. Close, but definitely not better.
It dynoed more on everything we've ever put it on.. swapped on the dyno lol. If they didn't tune the active runners and shit correctly I could see an issue.
They did testing on an engine dyno with open headers and maxed out timing. Definitely not comparable to a chassis dyno with a full exhaust system.
how would this work on a truck intake? I'm swapping a manual challenger 5.7 into a 79 Ramcharger, I have a truck intake which is supposed to be better. May use the truck 6.4 intake on the 6.4 for my Duster.
I haven't tested on a truck. I have my own 5.7 grind now that I use these days for the cars and trucks so I haven't done a 6.4 cam since this honestly since people want the sound too
Question. The 392 and the stock 5.7 cam is made to run MDS lifters on 4 cylinders. Is it possible to replace the lifters on the 4 MDS cylinders with standard mopar lifters used on the other 4 cylinders to eliminate the MDS lifters that are known to fail? Or maybe put hellcat lifters on a stick MDS cam? I believe the comp cams have to have a different lifter set than stock lifters. I am looking to improve reliability and improve power but it would be cool to save some money too.
They fail on non MDS cars too..so its not the MDS system, but the quality of the lifters IMO...which BTW has been updated and all Hemi's from the Hellcat to the 5.7L all use the same lifters now.
@@ericbryant796 true but so few non mds factory vehicles exist it isn’t something that gains attention. The lifter quality is an issue, but in my opinion, the worst problems occur in vehicles that sit and idle a lot. Fleet vehicles such as police cars, work crews in trucks etc. the lifter oiling relies on oil being slung from the crankshaft, they don’t get pressurized oil. When the engine idles it gets less oil than when driving at higher rpm on the highways.
Our local police cars see cam failures far more frequently than the highway patrol cars. They sit and idle a lot more and sit at traffic lights while highway cars see more higher rpm use and fail less often. I think the designers failed when they designed the oiling of these engines.
@@ericbryant796 what year 5.7 got the lifter upgrade ?
@@juan_f150 2016 was the first change I'm aware of.
So i have to ask..... was it just a swap? Or did you have to get springs, lifters, push ext....... ty
@@chetlangford2144 springs and lifters
Hey I got excited by the 6.4 cam into 5.7 discussion but checking on where to get the one I'd need I noticed there are different versions depending on which car. I have a 2015 Laramie 1500 that needs a cam and I want to put in the right one! Can you steer me in the right direction. (great thread!)
Coming from the 5.0 community. Some cams you can use the factory vvt and not limit the phasers. Can that be done on the 6.4
yes
I have a few questions with the 6.4 cam do you get better oiling so you don’t flatten the cam as many 5.7 hemis have. also which rear gears did each car have that many times can play a role in dyno numbers also having experience with a dyno I know that if you heat up the rollers you can get higher numbers that way if the cars were ran back to back the last car could show higher dyno numbers
Looking on rockauto and there's two different part numbers for the 6.4L cam, one is out of stock and the other is like $250. What's the difference? 5038419AB vs 5037379BC
Not 100% sure.. now they do claim the manual is different.. but I can tell you the hp difference in stock cars isn't much more than the transmissions from what I've seen.. its close. I have a pile of stock 6.4 cams.. used but in perfect shape. Id send you one for $125 shipping here in the US.. mackbuilt is my IG if you want on.. id do cash app.. it would come fed ex and be in a comp cams box.. I cam a ton of 6.4s so I usually always have them.
@@OMGITSMRMACK I have a manual 5.7, does that change anything? I would 100% be down to order from you! But I don’t have instagram, what about email?
does the hell cat oil pump work on it also? it adds slight oil pressure at idle speeds where police cars that were sitting idling for hours would scrap their engines . . . hell cat oil pump fixes the issue at least in the hellcat, it should fit correct? Also so i can use the 392 hemi 6.4, cam, intake , headers, and throttle body correct? and what a custom tune chip?
greeat video brother going through installing the 6.4 cam in a 2015 charger 5.7
Hey there, did you so the cam swap? How did it turn out, and did you have to upgrade valve springs and such. I purchased the cam and didnt install because I heard that I would lose power and torque on the low end and only gain on top end.
@@lawrencephillips1638 really?
@@lawrencephillips1638 low end will increase a little and gain a lot on the upper end you don’t really loose torque with the 6.4 cam
On a 2019 charger RT can i install a 392 cam from another charger? No spring required or heads off the car? I'm used to LS motors and just pushing a dowel rod to hold the lifters up and swap the cam without taking the heads off. I know these vehicles have MDS but if i get a 392 cam from an auto car, is it just a straight swap?
Can you tell me the Mopar Part Number for the 392 Cam you installed in your 5.7. Very impressive
I have 1 for sale I just upgraded to comp cam stage 2 hrt
@@Desktopbeatzinc how much for the cam$?
Omgit... were is your shop located? I have been researching this for months.. this is the information I have been looking for..
I'm in Houston, but this testing was done in Fredericksburg VA
You were not far from
Me, I’m in Charlottesville Va.
I have a 6.4 cam for my 2015 5.7 what else do recommend changing to ensure best outcome for my 5.7?
Where did you order yours from?
@@castlehouse2275 found mine used on FB marketplace along with the intake got them both for a steal of a deal they came off a similar year challenger with 24k miles.
@@BDemon-op1vf you put em in yet ?
Do you need shorty or long tube headers for this camshaft to perform properly?
It is going to help.
Can i swap my cam 5.7 to 6.4 and what i do if i want to swap it
My car 300 c 2013
Something seems off to me. Based solely on cam specs the 270 is the largest of the 3 and would make the most power especially peak power. I'm not hating and certainly not trying to be an ass but something isn't adding up.
As for the 6.4 active intake it's a great mod! I was one of the first to install it on my 16 R/T and I'm the one who helped R/T life through the install process who he is seen talking to on the phone in his video. I was just too far a drive for him to come for me to actually do his install for him.
Not trying to be an ass, but the fact that you think the largest cam would make the most power shows you dont understand how anything works with these engines. Hell my 6.1 made 500whp and 497tq with a cam smaller than what most people put in these 5.7s.. people have it all fucked up.. the dyno didnt lie.. I have nothing to gain by putting this out there to shit on the 270.. but if you read through the comments you'll see where comp cams even stated that it's too big for a 5.7 lol.. but there are a ton of people who dont actually "get it".. so it's all good.. again.. not trying to be an ass.
@@OMGITSMRMACK at the end of the day, an engine is an engine...same concepts apply...what makes these engines so finicky?
sean5comet. It’s simple, two big of a cam pushes the torque and hp to far to the right, this cause you to be in the higher rpm range all the time to move anywhere, this is not good useable power, especially in heavier cars and trucks that need the torque. Your intake manifold and cam are setup to run together in unison. You should watch a couple of Richard Holden videos.
So a 392 can it’s good to start on the 345 hemi
Recently seen then used in alot of cars.. ive givin a few to some buddies to toss in 5.7s when they're doing a simple rebuild or something and everyone has been happy.. im gonna drop a video shortly with a twin turbo 5.7 with a 6.4 cam actually.
@@OMGITSMRMACK i want to do a 392 cam
what all do i need to swap when i change to the 392 camshaft ? just camshaft & lifters ?
So I am looking at building a carbureted 5.7 for a Duster. Think this 6.4 cam would be even more nasty with gobs of air available ?
@OMGITSMRMACK where will I find this cam ? Everywhere I look the can it’s about 500$ is that right ? Is there any way that you could put a list of part needed to do this swap ? And the cost as well and where to get this parts ? Thanks man I would appreciate your input. I have 15 charger r/t with efi cai and flowmasters 40 series. if that would help.
Did you ever find out ?
@@LuisGuzman-tg9ql no, however I got rid of my 16 charger and got a 21 scat pack. But while I had my r/t I’d purchased a mopar scat pack stage two performance packaged that I never got to install. So I still have it in a crate lol
@@alextituana1902 you trying to sell the stage 2 kit?
@@RLogan-sl7xl yes I’m looking into selling it. I have in my basement collecting dust.
Is these the hrt cam
I’m wondering what a SRT 6.4 cam could do in a Ram with a 6.4 truck manifold. Seems like the Ram 5.7 breathes super well, especially when paired with the 6.4 manifold. Do you have any experience with Ram builds? Been following you for a while. Definitely been considering a full 392 package in it, but seeing the gains for so cheap on a factory cam, had me thinking about a low key set up to pick on people with 😂😂😂
If it adds low and mid gains, in a ram how often are you high in the rpm range? Sure peak gains are great, but in a truck you want more lower and mid gains.
@@joshkrause2977 I drag raced the truck, so low range didn’t do much since I had a 4k rpm stall. It was only interesting at the time if I could get a cam that sounded like stock to hustle people on the side. But lost interest and wanted to go faster and got rid of it.
Great info, question for you. Have you used a Hellcat cam in the 5.7?
Dynoed one with a blower and it sucked lol
@@OMGITSMRMACK what about N/A, I have one for my 5.7 and was just wondering your thoughts?
Would need a phaser the hellcat cam has higher lift and low compression so more room for valve lift.
Witch 270 cam u use? What I was told the 6.4 haves a 570 lift I think the directions like to 270.
I have the same six speed set up and just installed a 392 cam. It Barely runs and won’t idle. It hasn’t left the jackstands. I was under the impression this 5.7 could run the 392 cam on a stock tune. My timing is spot on. Doing some research one person stated that their motor has five different cam variants. Is it possible I have the wrong Variant? The cam I used is from the same year 392 manual. Thanks for any feedback
Definitely needs tuning
Razzle Dazzle have you gotten it tuned since your post?
Ro Shambo nope. I abandoned the cam and went with custom grind. I’m installing it tomorrow; cleaning the heads up today. I think the 392 cam would yield significant results, especially for its price. But there isn’t enough research on for me. I’m thinking it’s the wrong cam. It’s a manual cam, just like my car, but there’s 5 DIFFERENT variants of cams for a GEN lll Hemi.
You need to change the pushrods as well
Ro Shambo I ditched the cam and went with a custom grind. Runs great now.
Hi there great vid, you said the 5.7 has full bolt ons on stock tune ?
I got confused because you said in the vid it's tuned stock ?
SilverDevil 5.7 is bolt ons and tune. And then the middle 1 is a 5.7 with bolt on tune and cam. When he meant stock it’s stock cam
are they stock 5.7 valve springs good enough for the 6.4 cam?
If not what drop in springs are good?
thanks doing a MDS delete
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With The 64 Cam, Is The VVT Limited / Disable? Or Is It Fully Functional? Is That Why The 64 Cam Maintains Low End While Still Having Peak Power?
So is it safe to say I can order a factory replacement 6.4 cam for my 5.7 from rockauto or similar places cheaper than a big aftermarket cam and get same results?
Yea, safe to say you should just make sure its oem and youd get the same if you used a 6.4 manifold set up right. I may have a 6.4 cam coming out of a customer car soon too.. if you go that route I can link yall up
@@OMGITSMRMACK hey thatd be awesome, thanks. Was actually thinking of going with an edelbrock intake manifold for the straight forward throttle body mount, I made a functional ram air box with my hellcat hood, that and probably long tubes that aren't a million dollars
Gents, i just did the swap 6.4 cam, into my 2012 300c 5.7, but i can't get the car to idle. Help, it's mama's car.
James Parra any luck to get it running at idle?
@@japarra26need to tune it since its a 12
I made quite a bit more than all of that with a 270 comp cam and headers, with dyno tune and put down close to 430 wheel
Come run it on this dyno. Lol. Comparing another dyno to this means nothing.
Actually was just told about a stock 5.7 with an air intake that put down 496whp with a tune.. unless it's the same dyno it means nothing is my point
OMGITSMRMACK lol what! 496wheel from a tune and CAI? I highly doubt that especially if it has a stock fuel set up. I’ve had my car tuned on the same dyno as scats hellcats and so forth. I know I’m pushing a realistic number 430 wheel from headers and a cam with a proper tune.
What sae correction was used and what dyno is this? I was on a superflow dyno so explain to me what you mean
Just seems like those cars aren’t running supporting parts(just a cam) or a mild tune cause that’s low for a cam swap
I wanna do a cam swap on my 2018 ram 5.7 1500 but which can do i get I want the 6.4 cam but not sure if the cams are different from the 6.4 from the rams and challengers chargers etc
You can use it in your truck ..
Where can i get the 392 cam for my 5.7
I know this is an older video, but I was wondering if a 6.4 cam would fit into a 2003 ram 1500 5.7 and what all would I need to do it?
Nope it won't. Youll need a non vvt cam. You can use a 6.1 cam in it.. but a comp 260 or something is a nice mild cam for a truck 5.7.. the p3 is hard to tune so going crazy is a problem waiting to happen
Sidewinder
Great numbers. One question For cam, is this for manual or auto 6.4?
I think it was the manual cam. Not 100% forsure but it was definitely purchased as that mopar performance cam
@@OMGITSMRMACK thank you
If any one knows the part number for the manual 6.4 cam please reply
@@Fawazalsobay 5037379BC
Can you test a hellcat cam in a 5.7 vs 6.4 cam?
Wont be doing that test.. the time and stuff to do it aint something im worried about unless someone specifically wants that cam.. but.. in a few hours ill know if my tuners got his own RT for us to test stuff on.. if so im going to order a cam up that ive been wanting to try and see if it does better than whats shown.. with the plan to turbo it also in mind.. ill update the channel later if the car deal happens.
OMGITSMRMACK fair enough. Do you think the limiter is hurting the power from the 270 cam? Or the manifold ?
@@bryanunion5110 i think the car would gain a little more with the 6.4 intake but would still fall short of the 6.4 cam set up.. the intake itself wont make up the difference entirely.. if he gets this car we'll be testing the 6.1 intake ported and stock and the 6.4 intake on his all vs the 5.7 stock intake to see whats the top dog.
I would love to see the hellcat cam in a 5.7
Roberto Ochoa me too it’s cheap and the split on intake/exhaust is similar to the stock cam. From my understanding the exhaust ports on the eagle heads are trash.
Now is that with the non mds 6.4 cam? or mds 6.4 cam?
Gotta be non mds
What wheels does that red charger have???!!
Do you think the shorty headers make the 392 cam perform better?
They help.. but the other car had headers too
What cam is the 392 Cam that developed the most power. Mopar Part Number or something.?
It was just the mds version of the 392 cam they sell as the mopar performance cam for the 5.7
Would I be able to use the 6.4 valve spring along with the 6.4 cam on my 5.7?
Nah there is some coil bind issues
What is all required with switching to a 392 cam I have a 2011 hemi Charger
Springs and the cam and tune
OMGITSMRMACK thanks man what springs are recommended ?
@@OMGITSMRMACK what valve springs would you recommend???
Mopar has performance valve springs for like 200 bucks they can hold the 274 cam,its in their description. Find a mopar site and look ot up under the 300,gave mine away toa guy who put a 274 on.
Can I drop a 6.4 cam into my 5.7 Hemi 2008 Dodge Charger R/T ??
Please help as I think It's non VVT !
Nope won't work
Hell Yeah man! Nice explanation👌🏽 stay cool man . Subscribed😎
This looks like it would be a nice option for the rams idk if you ever mess with the trucks much but I bought a new body 19 ram Laramie I know it has the variable intake runners like the 6.4s which is cool but I'm wanting to get the HP up a bit and get rid of those shitty lifters and MDS right off the bat I've seen so many videos of them failing and tearing shit up. This is my first hemi vehicle my other rides are all LS and new LT stuff, it definitely seems like the hemi stuff is quite a bit more expensive. Lol but I love the truck so far GM lost me on their new 19's absolutely terrible inside and out.
board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2676160/6-4-srt-cam-in-a-stock-5-7-ram.html
It's been done and works very well, it's great with a tune
Will the 6.4 cam work in a pre eagle 5.7?
just put a 392 cam in my 2010 dodge challenger rt but I did the MDS delete and this cam has MDS so I don't know what to do at this point. Should I add mds back on or is there a 392 cam without MDS
There is a 6.4 cam with no mds
@@deewalker9004 do u know the part number or website I can find it on
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I've got this done in my 300c what kind of valve springs did u use and what other than a tune should I do to get these gains
A comp valve spring and locator was used
you got the 270 or the 392 cam?
What yr?
Can I drop a 270 cam in an other wise stock 5.7
Is that the NHR 6,4 stage 2?
I assume this is a non mds cam? Will a 6.4 mds cam give you same results?
Its non mds.. itll be pretty close im sure. Haven't had anyone request one since this car or id know.. I throw enough stock cams out at this point that its a shame I don't have someone to use them
@@OMGITSMRMACK well I found a 6.4 mds cam for 50 bucks, and I want to keep mds so I’ll have to find a dyno to document my results
@@zacharykelley359 man Hn 😂 if you’re going 6.4, just go non mds 6.4. Mds 6.4 won’t do anything for you, but hey, if you want it 🤷🏽♂️ just don’t expect these numbers
Why wouldn't a non mds manual 6.4 cam fit a 6.1?
No, but 6.1 cams are pretty cheap and there are plenty of drop end options.. vvt stuff is expensive in comparison and that makes the 6.4 a nice budget set up
6.1 cam and the 6.4/5.7VVT cams are different cores, the front bearing is larger on the 6.4/5.7VVT cams .....you can not physically put the 6.4/5.7VVT cam in the older 6.1/5.7 blocks.
Can you throw a 6.4 on a 03 Ram 1500 5.7? And if so what do you need? And if not what would work lol thanks :)
No you cant. It's a vvt vs non vvt.. there are a ton of 5.7 non vvt options available though... but the tuning on the 03s are a bit of a bitch
Would a 392 cam need a custom tune?
Yup
Did you use the phase limiter ? Or just straight swap ?
Swapped, no limiter
Hey man. I was wondering 5 yrs now what are your thoughts. Is it still worth getting. I have a 2010 5.7 with 392 ported intake manifold full bolt ons. Hp tuner. Should i get it. Do i need to switch the springs out or ok to just swap it
@chetlangford2144 have to do springs. Imo if the budget is there just get a solid cam. If the difference for a cam and lock aint there then the 6.4 is solid.
How much was the cam advanced in the tune for the 6.4 and 270?
The cams usually get retarded not advanced when talking peak power. And I dont know. I'm not the tuner in this situation.
What would be the right cam to use in a 2010 rt challenger
I feel like it depends on over all goals/mods/budget.. there is no simple 1 size fits all answer.. everything I do for people is geared around that answer.
If i wanted to put the 6.4l cam in my 2017 charger rt, would it be smarter to spent the extra cash and delete mds or is there not much difference between hp and tq on the mds 6.4 cam and non mds
Me personally would delete mds anyways, I say that because when you run the 6.4 cam you have to upgrade the springs and the added pressure on the stock mds lifters worries me a bit.. and for around 250 bucks for a full set of melling lifters.. it's hard to pass up. I plan to make a video on all the stuff needed for the swap, just haven't had time to do it just yet.
@@OMGITSMRMACK have You Had Any Experience With "No Name" Non MDS Hemi Lifters? They Are Substantially Cheaper. No Idea If I Should Stick With Mopar Lifters Or Go With Cheap Aftermarket. I Hear It's Usually The MDS Lifters That Fail. So Maybe A Cheap Non MDS Lifters Are Fine And A Cheap MDS Lifter Is Not Good.
What was the Duty cycle of the Injectors with the 6.4 cam/manifold and longtube setup? I just snagged up some 6.4L Injectors. You think ill need them? Getting tuned next monday
I would have to ask the tuner.. but the injectors looked like 6.1 stuff to me.. the black with yellow markings.. the cars not making enough power to really lean on the fuel system much.. i dont think you'll need them.. made a deal on a 2014 5.7 car last night.. going to get it today.. and after the title stuffs straight im placing a cam order for it to test.. its my tuners new project.. ill be sure to see how the fuel system holds up in that video
I subbed. This is good information to find out.
I ended up throwing some 6.4 injectors in my build. The engine was running very rough and thought it might need some more fuel. So for science i just put them in. It runs WAY smoother now.. And i still dont have a tune on it. Working on that today though. Ported 6.4L intake, ported throttle body, 6.4L camshaft, Long tube headers, 3" dual exhaust, X pipe, Kooks bullet mufflers, 4" dual tips, Melling high performance oil pump, 160 T Stat. Forged pushrods, Mopar performance Valve Spings and all new valve train hardware.
@@teammopar771 what type of numbers are you pushing?
Where are you located? I wanted to try a few things with my awd R/T lol
Houston, if it's just about tuning and stuff the dynos in VA with my tuner
@@OMGITSMRMACK i wanted to put the 6.4 cam and intake on, snd try and get. 391 rearend to work with my front diff lol i too am in houston ;)
@@OMGITSMRMACK Shop name? I'm located in houston also
270 is to big on stock head/valve cube 5.7s in my opinion. Throw that same cam in a 6.4 and it sings.
Steve Pounder it will sing in a 5.7. No way you only pick up 20hp with a 270 cam and almost 40hp with a 392 cam
Is that all at the wheel
Yes
Are you still doing this? I will bring you my car. How much do you charge for a cam swap for labor?
I do all kinds of stuff. But I'm back in tx
@@OMGITSMRMACK hi, where in Texas? I didn't know about the 392 cam swap and now I am very intrigued. I would like to know price as well.👍
Aka buying the comp parts are pointless just buy the 6.4 cam
Do you think it would have similar gains on a ram 1500?
Honestly not sure because of intake manifolds and stuff like that.. if I was to guess I'd be lying
@@OMGITSMRMACK Thanks for being honest.
You are going to want to use cams that emphasize bottom end torque with the trucks.
Losing torque without the factory set up so I'd say the stock is gonna be faster the torque is where the speed comes from
Will the 392 cam swap in on the older gen 3 hemis?
It should
392 camshaft will only work in the 5.7 VVt motors.
I have the same setup as the 6.4 cam car SRT shorties and mids, stock straight piped exhaust, frakentake 3 and Johan tune, drag radials. What other mods do you recommend to get to around 500whp. How much is the 6.4 cam to install.
Boost or nitrous on a 5.7... only other options to stroke it
@@OMGITSMRMACK thanks I was planning ported heads, ported intake, cam and 125 shot
Would a 6.4 cam work on a 2009 5.7 chrylser 300??
Yup
But u gonna.need to change a few things up tho
So a better comparison cam with this would be a 274
We should have a 274 saved all motor.. the stock 6.4 cams smaller than the 270.. either way it saves about 1000 bucks so its pretty cool.. ill try and see if we can find the 274 files.. if so ill post them on IG.. i know the 274 in a 6.4 was laughable.
OMGITSMRMACK that is true
Dude test a hellcat cam in a 5.7. I got a 6.4 cam in my car but it don’t like the non mds lifters. I was considering the hellcat cam to correct the idle issues but if the power under the curve or peak ain’t much better I may just leave it be.
Bryan Union wow learn something new everyday I didn’t know people was using the hellcat cames yet at least
MotorSubduedTelevision I only know a few people who used a hellcat cam but I never seen a dyno but I heard it’s got good power under the curve
What’s springs do you recommend when doing the 392 cam swap?
Comp cams has a pretty affordable kit for the 5.7 that will work perfect
Run psi springs and titanium retainers. The comp cams springs are a sideways upgrade from stock. I'd replace the lifters with gen 3 lifters from the hellcat.
So the only thing you need to do this is the 392 cam msd, Springs and how many lifters?
@@masta51 my comp springs have 48k hard miles on them so far lol.. and all my builds run them or PAC with no issues. Some cars have 80k+ running strong.. and anyone who knows anything will tell you that titanium is a no no for a street engine. 😐
6.4 intake on a 5.7 doesn't gain any whp .... Gains a tad bit of torque and applies it faster , but doesn't gain rwhp
It gains up top alot lol.. not everyone revs to 5500 and that's it.. 5.7 falls off bad... 6.4 dont.
@@OMGITSMRMACK the 6.4 cam gains a lot up top I see , the manifold tho is all bottom end ... From what I've seen anyway. Me and my buddy have identical cars , 8 speed 5.7s. Similar bolt ons , both have shorties (I have Jba he has 6.4 exhaust manifolds ) , both have hellcat air box with drop in filter , and I'm straight pipe from stock cats back , he's got srt cats with flowmaster outlaw mufflers ... I'm hp tuned , he's hemifever tuned.We both dynod on the same dyno , same day. Results were 363rwhp/401rwtq for him , 376 rwhp/398 rwtq for me . Graphs show he made more torque faster than me , but my hp was a bit better and didn't fall off as fast as his (not a huge difference but you can see it on the graph ) my tq peaked at 4400, his peaked at 4100 . My hp peaked at 5300 , his peaked at 5100 . You did peak my interest in a 6.4 cam though. Lol 🧐
Sorry , he also has the 6.4 intake manifold , I have the stock 5.7 .
@@4TwentyVisioN when I compare intake manifolds and stuff.. I try and do things like that on the same car on the same dyno back to back.. an ideal test even for the cams would of all been done in the same car.. but that's a bit harder to do.. I've done the manifold only swap with good results and will have another one to do soon.. I guess I'll remember to make video of the over lay when I do the next swap for people to see.
@@OMGITSMRMACK exact same car comparison would be cool for sure. Just thought I'd share my what I've experienced.
Can the 6.4 cam be put into the ram 5.7L?
If it's a vvt 5.7 09+
@@OMGITSMRMACK Ok, cool. Thanks
Would it be a direct swap on a 6.1l?
Nope. But there are plenty of good 6.1 options available as drop in cams.. 6.1s are dirt cheap to cam swap compared to a vvt car
I was wondering the same thing. I need to find a good 6.1 cam
8spd car? Differences an 8spd car would make vs the 6spds?
That's a nage 1 car
@@OMGITSMRMACK ??
@@DaddyWagon2014 the cars show.. nag 1.. it dont matter what the trans is if the cars are on the same level.. the 8 speed cars always dyno more than the nag 1.. and the 8 speeds real close to how a manual trans dynos.. duynoed 2 2015 cars stock.. one 6 speed and one 8 and they were only like 4hp apart. Hope that answers what you're asking
@@OMGITSMRMACK exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Looking to do budget cam since head gasket started leaking externally. Can you send me a contact email? Looking to maybe do 6.4 cam . I have 2011 5.7 with mds . Can you send me a quote for what i will need . Looking to order as a kit.
392 vs 370 vs 345 hemi?
6.4 cam in a 5.7 and then other 5.7 cams
I’m am literally shocked that the 392 cam did better than the 270... wow wtf
Smaller engine needs less cam for gains.
The 270 is way too mucn for the 5.7 i woulda done the 266 or 268. But thats justme.