I use 2 BMPCC4k speed boosted and I only shoot in Braw. I've very excited that other cameras are starting to get Braw options. The best part of shooting Braw is when you have to match other cameras or different codecs. I also have fully switched to Resolve too. IMO, the best feature of these cameras is the BRAW
I agree. The BRAW codec is so easy to work with and has zero problems with playing back a full res in Premiere Pro for me. Haven't quite made the jump to Resolve yet but I want to use Resolve more this year.
@@edwardleefilms It was ProResRaw files actually that made me move to Resolve. Premiere just had issues when trying to adjust the raw setting. Lag and crashes when just selecting the tab. I finally got so annoyed I made the switch. So far no issues and Resolve is pretty intuitive. I just ordered the Speed editor keyboard too
Great stuff. Totally agree with everything. Love my 6K. I bought pretty much every new camera announced this year, but just decided to stay with the 6K and rig it out even more because it's so good. Enjoy the content!
I think with the 6K, as future proof as it is, it can wait. When the mass market slowly adopts this resolution the price of a 6K (Blackmagic or otherwise) will certainly drop. Also you already have a good point with the fact that the file size is large. Having said that, if people wait to adopt 6K, you give time for also the storage aspect to catch up. So ... it just makes more sense to wait for the time being.
Two little downsides I forgot to mention in the video if you are considering either of these cams ⬇️ 1. NO CONTINUOUS AF - If you need autofocus and things like face tracking, this isn't the cam for you. But if you are trying to get into more professional video work, you really shouldn't be relying on autofocus anyway and should be practicing with pulling focus manually! 2. NO IBIS - Handheld filmmaking can be a bit tough with this camera because there in no in body stabilization. However, you could use lenses that have lens stabilization and this helps out a bit. But you will have to practice getting steady with your hands if you shoot handheld often. Another solution that helps out with this is getting a top handle or rigging out your camera to make it heavier. 3. NO PRORES IN 6K - If you want to shoot in ProRes all the time on the BMPCC 6K, you will only be able to shoot up to 4K in that codec. Something to keep in mind if you mainly shoot in ProRes! If you have any questions, drop them down below!
When did you make the jump from your A7III? Why did you do it? What have you missed from that setup? What do you find to be the main benefits of the switch?
Professional cinema work doesnt require you to pull focus unless you are the focus puller. Generally, a pro set will have a dedicated focus puller who is not the camera operator or the cinematographer.
This helps out tons with my decision making. Been eyeing these two for a while, but after watching this I’m feeling solid on the 6k. Crushing it as always with the content, thank you for all the great info fam!
Short answer... yes. Very worth the investment. lol! The one thing I don't get is the complaints about the body. Yeah, it could be different, but even with the cube cameras, the first thing people do is get a side handle on the right side. Z Cam. Kinefinity. RED DSMC2 and Komodos. Ursa Mini. and so on and so on. Even the C70 has that "handgrip" thing going on. But eh, to each their own. I got the 4K for the lens variety. I've adapted to PL and EF mostly but there are more options than that. I got the 6K to pretty much be my A cam and have that extra resolution for cropping and VFX work. Great video as always and solid points through and through! Keep it coming!
Couldn't agree more with your points! I do think having the more ergonomic friendly grip design is nice but I have never thought the BMPCC was bad in anyway when it came to the form factor
@@edwardleefilms oh shit! you replied!!! And fo sho bro. Your work speaks for itself that the love is there between you and the camera and you and the art. And I'm starting to see the benefits of the cube body... just tried to balance the P6K on a Ronin S last night for a shoot... almost came back and deleted my comment. haha! stay safe brother!
Thank you for a great video. The only two things I'd disagree are: 1) you can use more lenses with the 4K if you use adapters. With the 6K you're stuck with Full Frame Lenses. So I'd say it's the 4K that allows you to use the most variety of lenses, even if you get crop factor. 2) I own a KineMini 4K since 2015. 4K is already way future proof, when you see many films are still shot in 2K. Most corporate stuff will never be above 1080. This talk about how much better images look if you downsample from 6K to 4K is a bit of snake's oil discourse from the manufacturers. If you're a true professional who has to shoot almost every day, this pixel peeping thing is the last thing you want to spaend time with. Typically the pixel peeping people are geeks who see cameras as toys. 4K is as future proof as 6K, imho... Nobody keeps the same camera for decades anymore. Not with programmed obsolescence in manufacturers policies.
@@edwardleefilms thank you for your reply! Yes, you've made a good choice! Canon is as reliable as can be. I owned the XM2, the XL2 and the XL-H!, in the past. After that I only wanted Canon because I also love their color science. For the same reason I don't like Sony cameras too much. They are very good and reliable but, I never liked the greenish tint they seem to have. I mean the reds are a bit orangy and the greens are quite emphasized. I am about to buy the BMCC 6K (not the Pro version) as a B-Cam to my Kinefinity. But I would never rely on BMCC for my A-Cam. Kinefinity has better color science, and it's on par with RED or Alexa in that regards. Or so they say... ;)
Thank you for this review and the info. Your explanation of the dual native ISO's really helped. I never understood that each ISO served a different purpose. Wow is that helpful. Will be using that knowledge right away. Thanks again. Liked and subscribed.
Thanks for sharing your experience and insight, it is appreciated and valued. Great insight on the BMPCC4K and 6K cams. Your cable management video was also brilliant. Keep bringing the content here and IG! Cheers!
Awesome video man. I already have the 4k but was just interested in this topic of video lol. I think you have a great voice when it comes to expressing your thoughts on these two cameras. You covered pretty much everything of what most people should know about these two models besides it being a whole "review". Good stuff. I'm quite happy with the 4k but man those 6k screen grabs sure look crispy. happy shooting brotha
Wow I can feel the genuine vibe through your comment haha! Thanks man. Honestly, you cannot go wrong with either of these cameras. After using so many other cams now, the BMPCCs are still my favorite probably. Im currently testing the R5 and C70 and the pocket cameras just have such clean detailed image/color
love this review man. I mulled over these two for months, and just ordered the BMPCC4K the other day. I have both MFT lenses and Canon but I love the portability of the MFT ecosystem as well as the ability to get adapters for other mounts. Plus my current workflow is 4K and it will be at least for the next little while. Of course I also got the 4K with the intent of getting another camera next year :) maybe the BMPCC6K or Z-Cam S2 E6 who knows :)
I totally agree with everything, my only complaint will always be why do they only use sigma lenses? I know it looks good, very sharp, but aren't there more lenses? it's exhausting that all content creators always leave for the same thing. However, I congratulate you for the final reflection, no matter the quality or the team you have, what matters is the story and everything that happens in it. I would like to find someone who uses m43 lenses for 4k and demonstrate his work, 99% only use metabones with sigma...
If you look up the dynamic range chart of the pocket cinema camera 4k/6k the higher iso actually prioritizes highlights and the lower iso prioritizes shadows. So if for you were to compare the two different native iso but compensate the exposure difference with an ND filter, 1250 would have more detail in the highlights while 400 would have more detail in the shadows.
How does that work? You would think higher ISO would allow you to see more in the shadows, and it would blow out highlights faster. Whats the science behind how that works?
@@dna8269 well the higher iso definitely pushes a lot of the shadows into the mid tones which is why I think you’d expect the high iso to have more shadow detail. If we are not doing any lighting the yes high iso captures more shadow information from a location only because we are exposing the “shadows” at a higher IRE. Lower ISOs have more latitude in the shadows which basically means that the shadows will have a cleaner look. So this doesn’t mean that if you are in a dark situation you should under expose your image with a low iso, it’s just saying if you are trying to create an image with rich detailed shadows a lower iso is best. I think a big part of this is because of the noise created by higher ISOs, most of the noise is in the shadows. I’m going to have to do a bit of research to give a better answer than that because I’ve mostly just seen the latitude ISO charts but not really looked into the why
Great job on this video, I learned a few things for sure. I'm a YT creator and won't be headed this direction, but I like learning more about digital film making. Cheers
Love your review on the pocket cinema cameras! Been thinking of getting one for more professional work! Thank you for the great content man! Subbed to you :)
haha really? I get agents ask me to blow out the windows all the time. Not so much for downtown listing with nice views but sometimes if there isn't much of a view they would rather have the potential buyers not see whats outside.
@@edwardleefilms thanks for replying! Why do I see a lot of people using Sigma 18-35 on bmpcc4k? is it better? and as for prime option you still recommend using native MTF mount? or get a metabone speedbooster to get Canon lenses on? Thanks in advance
Hi bro, just subbed. Great content. Would love to know your thoughts on the C70 vs the P6K just solely based on the image quality and codecs. Keep us posted!
Great review, thanks! Im new to this, i like to buy the 4K version but have no idea what kind of speed booster ond or what kind of lens i must buy for it to have the greatest image color and quality! What would you do? Preferably a lens with image stabilisator. Thanks in advance.
Hey Edward, Thank you for this video, It helped me alot for decision making lol. Just wondering, did you use tiffen black pro mist filter? if so what level?
I've used both of these cameras and I love both! but I think maybe in the future I will pick up a 6k to go alongside my 4k. If not, I may pick up a Ursa G2
Well actually, since you commented, Blackmagic has released the new BMPCC 6K Pro that has a tilt screen. Highly would recommend that camera over these two
I have the bbpcc 4k guy I film a lot of live theatre and interviews and came from Panasonic so I had lens for it and I only ever export 1080p video for my job (none are on my youtube channel)
Metabones offers edge to edge sharpness overall. the viltrox tends to soften up in the corners wide open-ish. plus i have heard reports of bmpcc firmware not always playing nice with the viltrox speedbooster. some actually had to revert their p4k firmware in order to fully use the viltrox (aperture control).
Yes, the viltrox works too! But I have seen reviews where the metabones is just more reliable. If I am already spending that much money on a camera and glass, i'd rather not put something cheaper in front of the sensor. But the vitrox one can totally work
dope video man, i love my 4k and will be getting the 6k soon as well😍 question tho! the grade of this video, ive been seeing it popping up here and there but no real tutorials on how to achieve this vintage-ish look. any quick tips?
@@eonsberk yea im almost certain that a black pro mist helps but there is definitely a bit of adjustments in post. just cant seem to figure out the formula though
I agree! I have a BMPCC 4K and the footage looks epic but im looking for the same look you do but i couldn't yet find out what it is. But there is so much Potential with color grading I just need to earn experience
@@eonsberk Yes! You guys got it. Black Pro-Mist filter helps a ton with softening the footage to make it look more "vintage" or cinematic. I would also recommend picking up the BMPCC LUTs from www.thefilmfeel.com. Thats the one I use the most.
Gracias por tu trabajo, es una excelente orientación, tengo una duda, que estabilizador devideo (cardan, etc) es el mas indicado para cada una? saludos desde el sur del mundo.
Hi man! This is the best video abour BMPCC comparison so far. Super helpful. I'm a sony guy and I want to upgrade my video gear to the new Blackmagic 6k Pro, but I can´t find an adapter for sony E mount lenses to canon EF mount.. Do you know if there is a chance to use sony lenses in BMPCC? also, are you going to review the new 6k pro? regards from Spain
Hey dude! I don't think you can mount Sony glass to E-mount at the moment (if there is, it wont be reliable). If I were to not have either of these cams right now, I would 100% get the BMPCC 6K Pro. However, if you go that route, i'd probably recommend selling your sony lenses and getting canon. If you are already heavily invested into the Sony eco-system, I would definitely take a look at the Sony FX3
Nice work.. Beautiful footage keep up the Great work. If you don't mind me asking at what Shutter Speed, or Shutter Angle do you shoot with both cameras?
@@edwardleefilms Thanks I did get the 4K with gearoff craigslist. I have no film experience, so it will take some learning, which may be a good thing. I'll be watching your channel!
Great video! WHen you say screen grabs, are you literally doing screen shots or is there a way to output these images in Resolve? How does this process work?
I use Adobe Premiere Pro! There is an actual button below the timeline that screenshots a frame and saves it to your desktop. There should be a way to do that in Resolve!
Have you heard of anyone buying a cheaper micro 4/3 adapter, like Viltrox brand adapter, and seeing any results from it? As much as I want to get the heavily recommended metabones adapter, the $500 difference seems, 1. too good to be true and 2. worth a shot to at least give it a chance. Thoughts?
Hey thats a great question. Sorry for the late response. I think the metabones one is sorta steep in price but it is worth it over the cheaper ones. The connection feels more secure and you have more confidence on set that your features will work. The cheaper ones tend to not last as long and if it craps out on you during a shoot that would cost you more in the long term.
Hey, man. Like your video... have you ever had a hard time with matching colors, when mixing footage of the 4k with the 6k? Especially regarding the skin tones?
I wouldn't consider it a hard time but definitely a bit more tweaking. I've noticed that the footage that comes out of the 6K is just a bit easier to grade. The P4K definitely has a bit of a more color cast on skin for sure. Pretty minor but noticeable when color grading
İ have bmpcc 4k and im gonna buy 16"macbook pro with AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 4g gpu, 16gb ram, i7 cpu pc. Can i edit this camera's braw footage in Davinci Resolve with this pc?
Well you dont need one for the 6K since it already takes Canon EF lenses! But the speed booster is nice for the 4K because it gives a whole extra stop of light
Great video! But I still can't decide ( So, i don't need 6K resolution and also the 6K only shoots 50 fps, and the rolling shutter is worse on the 6K, and i don't like the old EF mount, because you can't adapt anything to that. So it seems like 4K is the obvious choice, and yet... I don't really wanna mess up with speedboosters, even though I use one now with the original BMPCC.
@@edwardleefilms well, i heard the Pro has many issues and broken units, as it was with first 4Ks and 6Ks. BM has a bad quality control at the moment of launch, but they fix it in a few months. And yet, Pro has an EF, which is really limiting the lens choice. I wished they went with a mirrorless mount. Money is not the question, that's why I can't finally decide whether I want to mess with speedboosters, or stick only to EF
hello love the video, it helps a lot with my decision making. I have a question, do you really need IR cut filters with these cameras when using ND filters? I read/watched videos that IR pollution with these cameras is prominent when using ND filters.
I dont think so. Honestly haven't had any problems with that while using these cameras with ND Filters. I mainly use the Peter Mckinnon VND from PolarPro!
IR pollution is a HUGE deal and I have seen it with my own footage many times. If your subject is wearing, say black, in the sun and you have an ND filter to cut the light down then your black clothes will have weird color shifts; usually magenta/red/orange. It ruins the image, IMO. You can try to cut Saturation to the magenta channel in post to try to fix it but you ruin caucasian skin tones to get rid of it.
The 4K is is the best bang for the buck. Also the 4K shoots RAW at 4K but the 6K does not do RAW in 4K. The 4K also works nicely with the GH5S and the upcoming GH6 series. Lens sizes, especially at the tele end, means the camera is hand-holdable for longer periods of time - important by the end of the day. There are also many more vintage lens options that will adapt to the 4K than can be used on the 6K. When factoring in the price the 4K has got one heck of a lot of bang for that buck.
Hey! can you tell me some m43 lenses for 4k? I have searched several videos but they all use only the sigma and it is too much money. What brands do you recommend?
Yeah that's the downside of shooting in a higher resolution. I usually run with a new 20TB hard drive every year and noticed it gets pretty full after all my projects around December. I just make it a business expense though. I use the G-Technology G-Raid drives
I ordered a 6k, then cancelled the order lol. Just feel like it's not all there yet, not great for music videos and movies. Looks too digital to me and not have a great filmic look.. Good for everything else I guess. Just gonna save more money to get the Komodo, but I also want to wait to see what 2021 brings. CES 2021? Maybe BlackMagic get it right this time... BMPCC 6K Pro? Add Global Shutter, more organic look (sensor on this too sharp, the way it handles light feel funny like too much glow to where every gets white and hazey to the point where it's distractingI
Yeah those are valid points! I think the hazey look might be coming from people using pro-mist filters. But yeah I think blackmagic will come out with a fresh camera this year or early next. In my opinion though, you can't go wrong with the 6k due to the price. The Komodo is of course a better camera but it also cost as much as 3 BMPCC 6K cameras. So for filmmakers on a budget, I think the 6K is way more bang for the buck. But if you can afford it, the Komodo is much better!
@@edwardleefilms Is the Komodo really that much better though? Curious to hear your thoughts on this. The image quality seems Damn near the same on tests. In your view, why do you feel it’s much better / what aspects have you ranking it that high?
Sorry, I didnt do a detailed comparison of the resolutions of the cams. I feel like a lot of other youtubers have done that already. Just wanted to give my honest thoughts after owning both!
hmm. I haven't done any tests for that exactly but in theory it would make sense. Because the sensor size is larger so it'll have more information to produce a cleaner image
@@glennparker8247 hahaha, nobody who has a zcam uses zraw, it’s just not there yet and not really necessary. since slog is so good a raw option is almost not needed. plus if you really need raw, get an atomos ninja v and u can record prores raw 12 bit
@@edwardleefilms the 6K allows you to shoot full sensor 4K using prores. You just can only use braw in 6K or the other various resolutions cropped in. I use prores 4K all the time on the 6k. Just make sure you aren't in windowed mode
@@AllThingsKen Oh man, you are absolutely right. I mean it does have a very slight crop (5.7k) in 4K ProRes. But I totally forgot to say that the downside of the 6K is that you cannot film in ProRes in the full 6K resolution. Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I will add it to the pinned comment!
IMHO you forgot to mention Da Vinci Resolve Pro included with the cameras as a positive
Oh snap thats true. That is a huge plus when getting these cameras!
I use 2 BMPCC4k speed boosted and I only shoot in Braw. I've very excited that other cameras are starting to get Braw options. The best part of shooting Braw is when you have to match other cameras or different codecs. I also have fully switched to Resolve too. IMO, the best feature of these cameras is the BRAW
I agree. The BRAW codec is so easy to work with and has zero problems with playing back a full res in Premiere Pro for me. Haven't quite made the jump to Resolve yet but I want to use Resolve more this year.
@@edwardleefilms It was ProResRaw files actually that made me move to Resolve. Premiere just had issues when trying to adjust the raw setting. Lag and crashes when just selecting the tab. I finally got so annoyed I made the switch. So far no issues and Resolve is pretty intuitive. I just ordered the Speed editor keyboard too
BRAW is such a game changer! I apply my favorite LUT in camera and edit in Davinci. My favorite workflow in last 20 years.
Great stuff. Totally agree with everything. Love my 6K. I bought pretty much every new camera announced this year, but just decided to stay with the 6K and rig it out even more because it's so good. Enjoy the content!
Thanks dude! Love your content
I think with the 6K, as future proof as it is, it can wait. When the mass market slowly adopts this resolution the price of a 6K (Blackmagic or otherwise) will certainly drop. Also you already have a good point with the fact that the file size is large. Having said that, if people wait to adopt 6K, you give time for also the storage aspect to catch up. So ... it just makes more sense to wait for the time being.
Two little downsides I forgot to mention in the video if you are considering either of these cams ⬇️
1. NO CONTINUOUS AF - If you need autofocus and things like face tracking, this isn't the cam for you. But if you are trying to get into more professional video work, you really shouldn't be relying on autofocus anyway and should be practicing with pulling focus manually!
2. NO IBIS - Handheld filmmaking can be a bit tough with this camera because there in no in body stabilization. However, you could use lenses that have lens stabilization and this helps out a bit. But you will have to practice getting steady with your hands if you shoot handheld often. Another solution that helps out with this is getting a top handle or rigging out your camera to make it heavier.
3. NO PRORES IN 6K - If you want to shoot in ProRes all the time on the BMPCC 6K, you will only be able to shoot up to 4K in that codec. Something to keep in mind if you mainly shoot in ProRes!
If you have any questions, drop them down below!
No IBIS is always a pro in a cinema camera. Also, having the MFT mount on the 4k is hard to beat with you doubling all your lenses on that.
@@dpc4548 definitely some valid points!
When did you make the jump from your A7III? Why did you do it? What have you missed from that setup? What do you find to be the main benefits of the switch?
Professional cinema work doesnt require you to pull focus unless you are the focus puller. Generally, a pro set will have a dedicated focus puller who is not the camera operator or the cinematographer.
This helps out tons with my decision making. Been eyeing these two for a while, but after watching this I’m feeling solid on the 6k. Crushing it as always with the content, thank you for all the great info fam!
Solid! Glad I could help bro. I would be torn too if I was shopping for either of these!
Short answer... yes. Very worth the investment. lol! The one thing I don't get is the complaints about the body. Yeah, it could be different, but even with the cube cameras, the first thing people do is get a side handle on the right side. Z Cam. Kinefinity. RED DSMC2 and Komodos. Ursa Mini. and so on and so on. Even the C70 has that "handgrip" thing going on. But eh, to each their own. I got the 4K for the lens variety. I've adapted to PL and EF mostly but there are more options than that. I got the 6K to pretty much be my A cam and have that extra resolution for cropping and VFX work. Great video as always and solid points through and through! Keep it coming!
Couldn't agree more with your points! I do think having the more ergonomic friendly grip design is nice but I have never thought the BMPCC was bad in anyway when it came to the form factor
@@edwardleefilms oh shit! you replied!!! And fo sho bro. Your work speaks for itself that the love is there between you and the camera and you and the art. And I'm starting to see the benefits of the cube body... just tried to balance the P6K on a Ronin S last night for a shoot... almost came back and deleted my comment. haha! stay safe brother!
gotta love them pocket cameras. Love them. Happy new year my dude.
Man, they really cant be beat for the price. Thanks dude!
I love this camera. The best camera for me.
I love the 6K. My favorite camera I have used so far
Thank you for a great video. The only two things I'd disagree are: 1) you can use more lenses with the 4K if you use adapters. With the 6K you're stuck with Full Frame Lenses. So I'd say it's the 4K that allows you to use the most variety of lenses, even if you get crop factor. 2) I own a KineMini 4K since 2015. 4K is already way future proof, when you see many films are still shot in 2K. Most corporate stuff will never be above 1080. This talk about how much better images look if you downsample from 6K to 4K is a bit of snake's oil discourse from the manufacturers. If you're a true professional who has to shoot almost every day, this pixel peeping thing is the last thing you want to spaend time with. Typically the pixel peeping people are geeks who see cameras as toys. 4K is as future proof as 6K, imho... Nobody keeps the same camera for decades anymore. Not with programmed obsolescence in manufacturers policies.
I would have to agree with all your points! Since this video my main camera is now the Canon C70. But I do miss the BMPCC. I still have the 6K
@@edwardleefilms thank you for your reply! Yes, you've made a good choice! Canon is as reliable as can be. I owned the XM2, the XL2 and the XL-H!, in the past. After that I only wanted Canon because I also love their color science. For the same reason I don't like Sony cameras too much. They are very good and reliable but, I never liked the greenish tint they seem to have. I mean the reds are a bit orangy and the greens are quite emphasized.
I am about to buy the BMCC 6K (not the Pro version) as a B-Cam to my Kinefinity. But I would never rely on BMCC for my A-Cam. Kinefinity has better color science, and it's on par with RED or Alexa in that regards. Or so they say... ;)
Thank you for this review and the info. Your explanation of the dual native ISO's really helped. I never understood that each ISO served a different purpose. Wow is that helpful. Will be using that knowledge right away. Thanks again. Liked and subscribed.
Thank you for watching! I think there are better videos out there explaining the Dual ISO. But I am glad you found this helpful
BMPCC4K is still a great camera for a few more years ... and i feel its more adaptable than the 6k.
No one needs more then 4k yet.
I agree that the P4K is still an amazing camera for the price point
Agreed...but sadly BMC is going down the rathole of Red with the resolution wars. Ursa 12k? Really?
Thanks for sharing your experience and insight, it is appreciated and valued. Great insight on the BMPCC4K and 6K cams. Your cable management video was also brilliant. Keep bringing the content here and IG! Cheers!
Thanks so much for the kind words and support David!
I shoot raw and I load a lut in camera so I can see exactly how it’s going to look
Yes! Best way to do it!
Dude I'm so excited I finally get my 6K adapter booster next week
Awesome video man. I already have the 4k but was just interested in this topic of video lol. I think you have a great voice when it comes to expressing your thoughts on these two cameras. You covered pretty much everything of what most people should know about these two models besides it being a whole "review". Good stuff. I'm quite happy with the 4k but man those 6k screen grabs sure look crispy. happy shooting brotha
Wow I can feel the genuine vibe through your comment haha! Thanks man. Honestly, you cannot go wrong with either of these cameras. After using so many other cams now, the BMPCCs are still my favorite probably. Im currently testing the R5 and C70 and the pocket cameras just have such clean detailed image/color
love this review man. I mulled over these two for months, and just ordered the BMPCC4K the other day. I have both MFT lenses and Canon but I love the portability of the MFT ecosystem as well as the ability to get adapters for other mounts. Plus my current workflow is 4K and it will be at least for the next little while. Of course I also got the 4K with the intent of getting another camera next year :) maybe the BMPCC6K or Z-Cam S2 E6 who knows :)
Honestly, you can't go wrong with either of these. You will love the 4K too!
Crushing the game with this content !!!
so true!
Thanks dude! I appreciate you
I totally agree with everything, my only complaint will always be why do they only use sigma lenses? I know it looks good, very sharp, but aren't there more lenses? it's exhausting that all content creators always leave for the same thing.
However, I congratulate you for the final reflection, no matter the quality or the team you have, what matters is the story and everything that happens in it.
I would like to find someone who uses m43 lenses for 4k and demonstrate his work, 99% only use metabones with sigma...
The Sirui Anamorphic lenses are real nice.
Thanks for the cool video, beautiful B-Roll by the way! And I agree, the story, lighting are the most important things at the end of the day! Keep up!
Sweet! Definitely. Thank you for watching.
Thank you for doing this review after using real and not imaginary cameras.
I love my 4K. But I really feel like it should have an autofocus option. It has a focus button, just make it a continuous focus.
true! I have an a7iii and i love the autofocus, you should consider the fx6 !
I agree. If this camera had more reliable AF and IBIS. It would be amazing. Maybe future version?
@@edwardleefilms yeah. Hopping for a BMPCC 8K next.
Thank you man! I own the EOS R but I'm definitely thinking about moving to the bmpcc!
You won't regret it!!
Good video. I wish Black magic releases a newer version of bmpcc 8k with IBIS, extended battery & improved Auto Focus 😩.
That would really be a dream haha
Very helpful video! i think i will go with the 4k!
Solid choice!
If you look up the dynamic range chart of the pocket cinema camera 4k/6k the higher iso actually prioritizes highlights and the lower iso prioritizes shadows. So if for you were to compare the two different native iso but compensate the exposure difference with an ND filter, 1250 would have more detail in the highlights while 400 would have more detail in the shadows.
Ah gotcha that actually sounds right. I knew I had that lowkey wrong. Thank you for clearing it up!
How does that work? You would think higher ISO would allow you to see more in the shadows, and it would blow out highlights faster. Whats the science behind how that works?
@@dna8269 well the higher iso definitely pushes a lot of the shadows into the mid tones which is why I think you’d expect the high iso to have more shadow detail. If we are not doing any lighting the yes high iso captures more shadow information from a location only because we are exposing the “shadows” at a higher IRE. Lower ISOs have more latitude in the shadows which basically means that the shadows will have a cleaner look. So this doesn’t mean that if you are in a dark situation you should under expose your image with a low iso, it’s just saying if you are trying to create an image with rich detailed shadows a lower iso is best. I think a big part of this is because of the noise created by higher ISOs, most of the noise is in the shadows. I’m going to have to do a bit of research to give a better answer than that because I’ve mostly just seen the latitude ISO charts but not really looked into the why
That is the exact reason I went with the 6k over the 4K. The 4k may be $1295 but with the Metabones its the same price of the of a 6k.
Good choice!
Great video man, totally agree !! :)
Man, coming from you guys. That means a ton! Thanks
SUper solid video bro! The blackmagics are super legit and fun to use!
Thanks dude! I love them. Sentimental attachment to the 6K for sure 😂
Great job on this video, I learned a few things for sure. I'm a YT creator and won't be headed this direction, but I like learning more about digital film making. Cheers
Sweet! Thank you for watching
I just have the BMPCC and its great for a newbie like me
I love the BMPCCs!
@@edwardleefilms I dont think ill ever get rid of it, it will make a great back up when i finally get a 4k later this year
Love the video, man! Going to opt for the 6k. Subbed
You're going to love the 6K!
@@edwardleefilms 👏🏾😎
Great explanation. This video really help me. Thank you.
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching!
Love your review on the pocket cinema cameras! Been thinking of getting one for more professional work! Thank you for the great content man! Subbed to you :)
Thank you for watching. Yes! Would highly recommend either of these cameras if you're looking to up your video production a bit more
I have never had a real estate agent say blown out windows are good. Why do you chose to do this? The view of the city seems amazing
haha really? I get agents ask me to blow out the windows all the time. Not so much for downtown listing with nice views but sometimes if there isn't much of a view they would rather have the potential buyers not see whats outside.
would love to see what lenses you put on the bmpcc 4k, and happy new year!!
10/10 would recommend the Panasonic Lumix 12-35mm F2.8
@@edwardleefilms thanks for replying! Why do I see a lot of people using Sigma 18-35 on bmpcc4k? is it better? and as for prime option you still recommend using native MTF mount? or get a metabone speedbooster to get Canon lenses on? Thanks in advance
Hi bro, just subbed. Great content. Would love to know your thoughts on the C70 vs the P6K just solely based on the image quality and codecs. Keep us posted!
That's a good idea! I will most likely do some sort of comparison soon but C70 review video coming out this month first :)
Great review, thanks! Im new to this, i like to buy the 4K version but have no idea what kind of speed booster ond or what kind of lens i must buy for it to have the greatest image color and quality! What would you do? Preferably a lens with image stabilisator.
Thanks in advance.
I would get the Lumix 12-35 f2.8
Hey Edward, Thank you for this video, It helped me alot for decision making lol. Just wondering, did you use tiffen black pro mist filter? if so what level?
No problem! I did use one. It’s a 1/4 level.
I've used both of these cameras and I love both! but I think maybe in the future I will pick up a 6k to go alongside my 4k. If not, I may pick up a Ursa G2
You can't go wrong with either! The 6K and 4K as a A Cam and B Cam is a solid setup
When people say the downside to a cinema camera is that it doesnt have image stabilization 😂🤦🏻♂️
I mean we can wish right? hahaha. Wouldn't it be better than not having it?
Do we have to buy from a specific store to get the screen to tilt or?
Well actually, since you commented, Blackmagic has released the new BMPCC 6K Pro that has a tilt screen. Highly would recommend that camera over these two
you can also get a monitor that can hold a bigger battery that also powers the camera and kill two bird with on stone
I have the bbpcc 4k guy I film a lot of live theatre and interviews and came from Panasonic so I had lens for it and I only ever export 1080p video for my job (none are on my youtube channel)
Yep! So many creative ways to power the camera with the BMPCC!
Why would you recommend a Metabones speedbooster over a cheaper one like for eg. the Viltrox? Loved the video btw, great job!
Metabones offers edge to edge sharpness overall. the viltrox tends to soften up in the corners wide open-ish. plus i have heard reports of bmpcc firmware not always playing nice with the viltrox speedbooster. some actually had to revert their p4k firmware in order to fully use the viltrox (aperture control).
Yes, the viltrox works too! But I have seen reviews where the metabones is just more reliable. If I am already spending that much money on a camera and glass, i'd rather not put something cheaper in front of the sensor. But the vitrox one can totally work
@@edwardleefilms Thanks for the reply guys, appreciate it. I got a Viltrox myself for a G7 and was wondering what the difference was. Happy new year!
dope video man, i love my 4k and will be getting the 6k soon as well😍 question tho! the grade of this video, ive been seeing it popping up here and there but no real tutorials on how to achieve this vintage-ish look. any quick tips?
A Black Promist filter may help!
@@eonsberk yea im almost certain that a black pro mist helps but there is definitely a bit of adjustments in post. just cant seem to figure out the formula though
I agree! I have a BMPCC 4K and the footage looks epic but im looking for the same look you do but i couldn't yet find out what it is. But there is so much Potential with color grading I just need to earn experience
@@eonsberk Yes! You guys got it. Black Pro-Mist filter helps a ton with softening the footage to make it look more "vintage" or cinematic. I would also recommend picking up the BMPCC LUTs from www.thefilmfeel.com. Thats the one I use the most.
@@edwardleefilms yoooo thanks so much for the info man!
Amazing comparsion video and very honest! Btw does the 6K still offers 4K only on ProRes or they updated to 4K braw too?
I think they still only offer 4K in prores. But I haven't checked for an update in a while!
Gracias por tu trabajo, es una excelente orientación, tengo una duda, que estabilizador devideo (cardan, etc) es el mas indicado para cada una? saludos desde el sur del mundo.
Yo tengo el zhiyun crane 2s para la 4k, es una chulada
Hi man! This is the best video abour BMPCC comparison so far. Super helpful. I'm a sony guy and I want to upgrade my video gear to the new Blackmagic 6k Pro, but I can´t find an adapter for sony E mount lenses to canon EF mount.. Do you know if there is a chance to use sony lenses in BMPCC? also, are you going to review the new 6k pro? regards from Spain
Hey dude! I don't think you can mount Sony glass to E-mount at the moment (if there is, it wont be reliable). If I were to not have either of these cams right now, I would 100% get the BMPCC 6K Pro. However, if you go that route, i'd probably recommend selling your sony lenses and getting canon. If you are already heavily invested into the Sony eco-system, I would definitely take a look at the Sony FX3
Great Video man!
Thanks dude!
Great content as always
Nice work.. Beautiful footage keep up the Great work. If you don't mind me asking at what Shutter Speed, or Shutter Angle do you shoot with both cameras?
Only shoot at the 180 degree shutter angle for all these clips! So just double the frame rate.
@@edwardleefilms Thanks for info..
@@edwardleefilms One last question do you shoot at 23.976fps, or 24fps
its 2021 let's see what BlackMagic gonna release this year
That's my plan. Rumored to release a 12k from black magic
@@Ataraxia_Atom sounds good to me
I can't wait
Liked your review. I still don't know which one to buy though.
If you dont have either, I would highly recommend their new BMPCC 6K PRO
@@edwardleefilms Thanks I did get the 4K with gearoff craigslist. I have no film experience, so it will take some learning, which may be a good thing. I'll be watching your channel!
Your footage looked gorgeous!
Thank you!
cool video. what is that light strip behind you? (behind your right shoulder)
Shoponova light!
@@edwardleefilms thank you!
Hello very fine review. Is it possible to connect power bank to 4K model? Tks
Yes! Most accessories that fit the 6K will work on the 4K and Blackmagic actually just released a battery grip.
@@edwardleefilms Hi Tks for answer. I have a question: is it true that on 4K isn't possible to delete video directly from the camera ?
Thoughts on the 6k pro???
Would def recommend
@@edwardleefilms can't restore next to my house just ordered it, getting it Thursday!
What lens did you use on 9:30?? Looks crispy clean
Sigma Art 18-35mm 1.8!!
Great vid my dude! What type of color grading do you use?
I edit and color in Adobe Premiere Pro and usually start with a base correction REC709 LUT!
Great video! WHen you say screen grabs, are you literally doing screen shots or is there a way to output these images in Resolve? How does this process work?
I use Adobe Premiere Pro! There is an actual button below the timeline that screenshots a frame and saves it to your desktop. There should be a way to do that in Resolve!
@@edwardleefilms Okay. Thanks!
Are you using one of those pro-mist filters? I just about the 1/8 but these seems stronger like 1/4
Have you heard of anyone buying a cheaper micro 4/3 adapter, like Viltrox brand adapter, and seeing any results from it? As much as I want to get the heavily recommended metabones adapter, the $500 difference seems, 1. too good to be true and 2. worth a shot to at least give it a chance. Thoughts?
Hey thats a great question. Sorry for the late response. I think the metabones one is sorta steep in price but it is worth it over the cheaper ones. The connection feels more secure and you have more confidence on set that your features will work. The cheaper ones tend to not last as long and if it craps out on you during a shoot that would cost you more in the long term.
I just got it
Thanks for the video! Subbed!
Hey, man. Like your video... have you ever had a hard time with matching colors, when mixing footage of the 4k with the 6k? Especially regarding the skin tones?
I wouldn't consider it a hard time but definitely a bit more tweaking. I've noticed that the footage that comes out of the 6K is just a bit easier to grade. The P4K definitely has a bit of a more color cast on skin for sure. Pretty minor but noticeable when color grading
@@edwardleefilms That's good to know. Thanks for replying.
İ have bmpcc 4k and im gonna buy 16"macbook pro with AMD Radeon Pro 5300M 4g gpu, 16gb ram, i7 cpu pc. Can i edit this camera's braw footage in Davinci Resolve with this pc?
Yep with those specs you should be good!
What do you think about speed booster adapter for the 4K I don't know if they make one for 6K is it worth it
Well you dont need one for the 6K since it already takes Canon EF lenses! But the speed booster is nice for the 4K because it gives a whole extra stop of light
Great video!
But I still can't decide (
So, i don't need 6K resolution and also the 6K only shoots 50 fps, and the rolling shutter is worse on the 6K, and i don't like the old EF mount, because you can't adapt anything to that.
So it seems like 4K is the obvious choice, and yet... I don't really wanna mess up with speedboosters, even though I use one now with the original BMPCC.
I would highly recommend the new 6K pro. Beats both of these cameras for sure
Or get the P4K now since its cheaper most likely that the new cam is out
@@edwardleefilms well, i heard the Pro has many issues and broken units, as it was with first 4Ks and 6Ks. BM has a bad quality control at the moment of launch, but they fix it in a few months.
And yet, Pro has an EF, which is really limiting the lens choice. I wished they went with a mirrorless mount.
Money is not the question, that's why I can't finally decide whether I want to mess with speedboosters, or stick only to EF
@@edwardleefilms I also can buy Ursa Mini 4.6K, but it doesn't have BRaw, only Cinema DNG, so in this case, Pockets are more comfortable to edit
你已经有跟焦供电手柄了，为什么右侧还要再放一个跟焦轮？纯粹为了好看么？
hello love the video, it helps a lot with my decision making. I have a question, do you really need IR cut filters with these cameras when using ND filters? I read/watched videos that IR pollution with these cameras is prominent when using ND filters.
I dont think so. Honestly haven't had any problems with that while using these cameras with ND Filters. I mainly use the Peter Mckinnon VND from PolarPro!
Yeah I see a lot of people freaking out about this. Totally wondering what’s the deal with those ir filters!
You absolutely SHOULD invest in an IR Cut filter. ND's on the pocket make your blacks a mddy brown. IR Cut filter fixes this.
IR pollution is a HUGE deal and I have seen it with my own footage many times. If your subject is wearing, say black, in the sun and you have an ND filter to cut the light down then your black clothes will have weird color shifts; usually magenta/red/orange. It ruins the image, IMO. You can try to cut Saturation to the magenta channel in post to try to fix it but you ruin caucasian skin tones to get rid of it.
Thx for The vid. Which camera do you Pick up The most when you Go shoot :)
I usually always grab the BMPCC 6K!
@@edwardleefilms In the video you said you grab the BMPCC 4K the most.
Debating on getting the 6K or waiting to see if Blackmagic turns out something in 2021.
mee too
Good call. My guess is that BM will come out with sort of a brain style camera to match the trends of other brands in 2021.
The 4K is is the best bang for the buck. Also the 4K shoots RAW at 4K but the 6K does not do RAW in 4K. The 4K also works nicely with the GH5S and the upcoming GH6 series. Lens sizes, especially at the tele end, means the camera is hand-holdable for longer periods of time - important by the end of the day. There are also many more vintage lens options that will adapt to the 4K than can be used on the 6K. When factoring in the price the 4K has got one heck of a lot of bang for that buck.
I couldn't agree more. For the price, the 4k is seriously a huge value!
Hey! can you tell me some m43 lenses for 4k? I have searched several videos but they all use only the sigma and it is too much money. What brands do you recommend?
how do you manage the storage? when I film on the 4k after a project it's usually over 100 GBS
Yeah that's the downside of shooting in a higher resolution. I usually run with a new 20TB hard drive every year and noticed it gets pretty full after all my projects around December. I just make it a business expense though. I use the G-Technology G-Raid drives
I ordered a 6k, then cancelled the order lol. Just feel like it's not all there yet, not great for music videos and movies. Looks too digital to me and not have a great filmic look.. Good for everything else I guess. Just gonna save more money to get the Komodo, but I also want to wait to see what 2021 brings. CES 2021? Maybe BlackMagic get it right this time... BMPCC 6K Pro? Add Global Shutter, more organic look (sensor on this too sharp, the way it handles light feel funny like too much glow to where every gets white and hazey to the point where it's distractingI
Yeah those are valid points! I think the hazey look might be coming from people using pro-mist filters. But yeah I think blackmagic will come out with a fresh camera this year or early next. In my opinion though, you can't go wrong with the 6k due to the price. The Komodo is of course a better camera but it also cost as much as 3 BMPCC 6K cameras. So for filmmakers on a budget, I think the 6K is way more bang for the buck. But if you can afford it, the Komodo is much better!
@@edwardleefilms Is the Komodo really that much better though? Curious to hear your thoughts on this. The image quality seems Damn near the same on tests. In your view, why do you feel it’s much better / what aspects have you ranking it that high?
Maybe a silly question. But what's the crop rate on the 4K with the metabones speedbooster adapter compared to the standard 6K?
Not a silly question! Metabones has a few different models but the ULTRA one I had was a crop factor of 1.35x
great review, thank you, new sub here
And a month later black magic released the 6k pro.
I know. Its lookin real good too haha
Wich Lut did you use in 11:05 ?
What are you filming this video with?
Canon C70!
I shoot with Nikon glass. Will Nikon lenses fit on 4k or 6k?
Hmm, i cant say. I have not tried but I am sure you can if you find the right adapter
Hi, can I use my Sigma art 18-35mm f 1.8 lens from Nikon D7100 on bmpcc 4k or bmpcc 6k camera? Thank you.
hmm i am not sure. You would need a Nikon to MFT or Nikon to Canon EF adapter.
Nice video, but man, you didn't go into the differences of the 6k and the 4k resolution at all???
Sorry, I didnt do a detailed comparison of the resolutions of the cams. I feel like a lot of other youtubers have done that already. Just wanted to give my honest thoughts after owning both!
@@edwardleefilms All good man, keep up the good work
Id go for Zcam istead, e2 m4 is overall a more powerful tool for 1.5k
This is a fair point!
thx man! very heplful!
Thanks for watching!
What lens did you use to shoot the broll for the bmpcc4k?
Most of these shots were with either the Sigma Art 18-35mm or 12-35mm Lumix lens
What about ir nd issues?
Can you use a Canon STM lens on the 6K?
yes you should be able to
When shooting is BRAW you get 12bit unlike with ProRes you only get 10bit so braw gives u the best out of the camera
is it true that if you shoot 4k on the BMPCC 6k the Quality is more detailed than the BMPCC 4k Camera?
hmm. I haven't done any tests for that exactly but in theory it would make sense. Because the sensor size is larger so it'll have more information to produce a cleaner image
We'll find out the day after tomorrow if these are still worth bothering with.
Why?
I think its because the new BMPCC 6K PRO was just announced!
@@edwardleefilms Exactly right :)
How is the best to deliver files to clients?
I use WeTransfer
@@edwardleefilms Wow! So simple! Ahaha! Thanks
i really love the look of your video. color grading tut pleaseee i'll subscribe for one lol
Yes! Would love to do more color grading stuff this year. Stay tuned!
🎥 😃 The new model ' *BMPCC 6K PRO* ' ( ua-cam.com/video/G7vLaJejzRw/v-deo.html ) - what are your thoughts ? 🎥 😃
I think its a great camera :) If I didn't already buy the Canon C70, I would buy the 6K Pro
@@edwardleefilms 👍
Grading tutorialll pleaseeeee!
It's on the list! Haha
你没用滤镜么》？
Not worth getting, invest in a z-cam instead, much better build quality and a better form-factory in my opinion!
Honestly not a bad thought! Z-Cam really did step it up especially if you want more of a brain style camera
Z cam are ok but got nothing on the BM. Zraw is a joke.
@@glennparker8247 hahaha, nobody who has a zcam uses zraw, it’s just not there yet and not really necessary. since slog is so good a raw option is almost not needed. plus if you really need raw, get an atomos ninja v and u can record prores raw 12 bit
9:47 looks like GTA 5
hahahah those aerials be doing that sometimes
Someone likes blowouts. Apart from that, you are correct. Just get 6K if you use Canon lens.
4K prores has no crop
On the BMPPC 6K? Or do you mean the BMPCC 4K?
@@edwardleefilms the 6K allows you to shoot full sensor 4K using prores. You just can only use braw in 6K or the other various resolutions cropped in. I use prores 4K all the time on the 6k. Just make sure you aren't in windowed mode
@@AllThingsKen Oh man, you are absolutely right. I mean it does have a very slight crop (5.7k) in 4K ProRes. But I totally forgot to say that the downside of the 6K is that you cannot film in ProRes in the full 6K resolution. Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I will add it to the pinned comment!
@@edwardleefilms yeah I usually use the UHD from full sensor. The 5.7 k is great too because it has faster read out time for less rolling shutter