I'm going to take the phrase "Edit Blind" and have it framed on the wall above my desk. It's so true that you become completely complacent when watching and think that everything looks great. I like to leave an edit alone on a short film for at least 2-3 weeks after getting that first round done so that this blindness doesn't sink in. It really helped when editing 'Go With Him' as there was a gag in the film that just wasn't working at all because of the timing and I felt like we were going to have to reshoot it. After leaving it alone for 3 weeks and coming back, I found the solution pretty much instantly as to how to solve it. Taking a step back, never a bad thing. Thanks again Rob and Rich!
Comedy is a difficult one because eventually, the jokes are no longer funny. We had to take some time away from Backstage because the gags were feeling dry. But after a few weeks, we came back and loved the punchlines again.
This is an amazing little look into your editing process. One great tip for reducing how "edit blind" you are is not to go through your full edit every time you take a break from editing. Just resume from where you left and after you got to the end, watch the entire thing. You will be able to then see the bigger picture and where things don't work. Repeat this process and avoid watching your entire cut too many times. And doing as many breaks as possible helps, longer, shorter, but just so you reduce the amount you will be getting used to your edit.
Watching WITH other people is a great way to see your film in a new light. They may not even say anything, but you will know. Did you have to redo the entire set decoration?
Watching with other people, I'm fairly sure time slows down haha. Fortunately, we didn't have to redo the set. The location we had access to was really flexible, so we kept the set up until we had everything we needed, which was a BLESSING!
Can you guys maybe give a primer on how to light someone with glasses? I've seen some info but I'm a bit confused about it, I guess. I only started looking into video production for UA-cam like yesterday. Then I found you guys, so maybe it's already been covered.
What I did with my newest film, was start on the rough cut after shooting the second day out of three. By then, I already have most of the film that I can edit together. I can also see if I need to do any retakes or pick up shots by reviewing the cut so far. That way, the next day, I can see about squeezing in time to do those reshoots if the schedule can allow it. I don’t recommend this on a tight schedule because of extreme time limits but if you have a lot more free time in between shoots, and are doing most of the work yourself with a really small crew or unexperienced crew members, like how I had to be both the Director and DP with my family helping me; I might suggest doing this for convenience.
We did something similar when shooting Corpse. The shooting days weren't in order, and sometimes has weeks or months between, so a lot of the time we had all this footage just laying around, so we'd just jump in and edit what we had. Then, as you mentioned, we'd have a list of possible re-shoots when heading back on location. Really helped!
Great tips! When I ask my family to look at the edit they freak out becasuse it's not finished. The picture is flat (Log profil) etc. I have to tell them that this is just a rough cut. My workflow is like this: I add all my clips to Premiere Pro. Then I start to pick out the best from all takes (The bad takes too). After that I sort the clips I will be using and begin editing the film. After that I syncronice sound (very handy with the auto sync in Premiere). After that i add graphic/ effects. Then I do the sound FX. And lastly I do the colorgrading and fixing small things. I ask for feedback when I'm done with one step, that way if it doesn't work I don't have to re edit the whole film! :-) It is super hard to organize clips in Premiere Pro. When i import footage it comes out of order and it's impossible to find the footage I'm looking for. That is the reason for why I'm picking out the best part of each shot and add it to the timeline. Do you know if it is a setting that I can change in Premiere Pro that makes all the shots sorted after how they was shot?
Doing tutorial shoots like I do is super straight-forward, but what's really a pain is finding the best shots to illustrate what I'm talking about while I'm crafting. At some point I need to look into a bigger display that works with my camcorder that I can put right in front of me.
We have a few field monitor reviews on the channel that might help. Our current run and gun monitor is this one here: ua-cam.com/video/Hcx_QIdlGFM/v-deo.html
Hello! Just found your channel, subscribed, loving all of your content. Currently working on my first short film edit and had a clarifying question. It looks like in your initial assembly you don't have any sound in the timeline. Is that common practice? To just pull in footage without audio into the timeline for the first assembly, then sync up sound after that?
Ahh sorry about that! No no, sound will be included in the initial edit. I think I unchecked the audio when I recorded that screen bit. Didn't even realise until you mentioned it. We have a video on the sound sync process in another video which covers that procedure: ua-cam.com/video/ZyVvwsWQIwk/v-deo.html If you are using Premiere Pro, have a look at some videos on auto-sync. We used this feature on our latest short and it saved so much time! : ua-cam.com/video/4OKiDPjj1Ms/v-deo.html
Another thing I would add is that during the first assembly, you should NOT fine tune (at first) go through with all the clips and just put them out. Then you should go through after and fine tune. I find that there are a lot of parallels between writing and editing and this is one of them. But this is really just a personal preference.
When I get finished shooting (if I can) I like to take a week or so to separate myself from the project. I’m the writer/director/caterer on my movies, and because of that I have a thorough knowledge of what the intent of the script was, which is only a problem in that what I “wanted” and what I “have” are usually two different things. During the week off I’ll do ingesting where I set up my project, merge audio and visual, and try to prepare so my edit goes as smoothly as possible. It’s also very normal to hate beyond reason the first cut of your film/scene, Martin Scorsese was critiquing Goodfellas at its premiere. Dive back in, and re-edit it, take a break for coffee if you need it, and get a version out to show to your friends you trust, who understand it is a work in progress, not a final product. Also always have coffee going. You’re welcome.
Hi there, I'm a Korean filmmaker. and I really like the image of the filmmaking process, would you mind If I use it in my book which is about how to make a short film? Thanks.
I avoid syncing takes which I know I wouldn't use. But if you do decide to use a take and haven't synced the audio, using the same process and bring them together. If you are using Premiere Pro, look into the auto-sync feature. It recently came out for Premiere 2019-2020 and it's great!
Apologies for the slight audio clipping in this episode. We've been having some issues with false meter readings on the camera.
Works mr! we have the info thanks
I'm going to take the phrase "Edit Blind" and have it framed on the wall above my desk. It's so true that you become completely complacent when watching and think that everything looks great. I like to leave an edit alone on a short film for at least 2-3 weeks after getting that first round done so that this blindness doesn't sink in. It really helped when editing 'Go With Him' as there was a gag in the film that just wasn't working at all because of the timing and I felt like we were going to have to reshoot it.
After leaving it alone for 3 weeks and coming back, I found the solution pretty much instantly as to how to solve it.
Taking a step back, never a bad thing. Thanks again Rob and Rich!
Comedy is a difficult one because eventually, the jokes are no longer funny. We had to take some time away from Backstage because the gags were feeling dry. But after a few weeks, we came back and loved the punchlines again.
This is an amazing little look into your editing process. One great tip for reducing how "edit blind" you are is not to go through your full edit every time you take a break from editing. Just resume from where you left and after you got to the end, watch the entire thing. You will be able to then see the bigger picture and where things don't work. Repeat this process and avoid watching your entire cut too many times. And doing as many breaks as possible helps, longer, shorter, but just so you reduce the amount you will be getting used to your edit.
Can't agree more!
Watching WITH other people is a great way to see your film in a new light. They may not even say anything, but you will know.
Did you have to redo the entire set decoration?
Watching with other people, I'm fairly sure time slows down haha. Fortunately, we didn't have to redo the set. The location we had access to was really flexible, so we kept the set up until we had everything we needed, which was a BLESSING!
You had me at “Edit Blind” lol ya that’s a thing. Great video and the cards are awesome for the visual. Thanks
I always do the visuals, foley, music, and then re edit to match the music more effectively
Re-editing to match the music is a great way to make it feel bespoke. We do this too! Just in a slightly different order haha
Ur Channel is Underrated As Hell
Can you guys maybe give a primer on how to light someone with glasses? I've seen some info but I'm a bit confused about it, I guess. I only started looking into video production for UA-cam like yesterday. Then I found you guys, so maybe it's already been covered.
Mr Caleb Pike has you covered in a video here: ua-cam.com/video/9NWAcK-wM80/v-deo.html
What I did with my newest film, was start on the rough cut after shooting the second day out of three. By then, I already have most of the film that I can edit together. I can also see if I need to do any retakes or pick up shots by reviewing the cut so far. That way, the next day, I can see about squeezing in time to do those reshoots if the schedule can allow it. I don’t recommend this on a tight schedule because of extreme time limits but if you have a lot more free time in between shoots, and are doing most of the work yourself with a really small crew or unexperienced crew members, like how I had to be both the Director and DP with my family helping me; I might suggest doing this for convenience.
We did something similar when shooting Corpse. The shooting days weren't in order, and sometimes has weeks or months between, so a lot of the time we had all this footage just laying around, so we'd just jump in and edit what we had. Then, as you mentioned, we'd have a list of possible re-shoots when heading back on location. Really helped!
Great video, thanks!
Yes!! A new Video 😍😍
Great tips! When I ask my family to look at the edit they freak out becasuse it's not finished. The picture is flat (Log profil) etc. I have to tell them that this is just a rough cut. My workflow is like this: I add all my clips to Premiere Pro. Then I start to pick out the best from all takes (The bad takes too). After that I sort the clips I will be using and begin editing the film. After that I syncronice sound (very handy with the auto sync in Premiere). After that i add graphic/ effects. Then I do the sound FX. And lastly I do the colorgrading and fixing small things. I ask for feedback when I'm done with one step, that way if it doesn't work I don't have to re edit the whole film! :-)
It is super hard to organize clips in Premiere Pro. When i import footage it comes out of order and it's impossible to find the footage I'm looking for. That is the reason for why I'm picking out the best part of each shot and add it to the timeline. Do you know if it is a setting that I can change in Premiere Pro that makes all the shots sorted after how they was shot?
I have had that out of order problem with Premiere as well. The trick is to view the clips in window view and set the parameters to name order.
Doing tutorial shoots like I do is super straight-forward, but what's really a pain is finding the best shots to illustrate what I'm talking about while I'm crafting. At some point I need to look into a bigger display that works with my camcorder that I can put right in front of me.
We have a few field monitor reviews on the channel that might help. Our current run and gun monitor is this one here: ua-cam.com/video/Hcx_QIdlGFM/v-deo.html
Great episode guys. I've definitely learned a lot! Keep it up!
You're quick!
great video! really useful
Glad to hear!
You guys make fantastic videos 👍👍
Cheers Wes!
Hello! Just found your channel, subscribed, loving all of your content. Currently working on my first short film edit and had a clarifying question. It looks like in your initial assembly you don't have any sound in the timeline. Is that common practice? To just pull in footage without audio into the timeline for the first assembly, then sync up sound after that?
Ahh sorry about that! No no, sound will be included in the initial edit. I think I unchecked the audio when I recorded that screen bit. Didn't even realise until you mentioned it. We have a video on the sound sync process in another video which covers that procedure: ua-cam.com/video/ZyVvwsWQIwk/v-deo.html
If you are using Premiere Pro, have a look at some videos on auto-sync. We used this feature on our latest short and it saved so much time! : ua-cam.com/video/4OKiDPjj1Ms/v-deo.html
Another thing I would add is that during the first assembly, you should NOT fine tune (at first) go through with all the clips and just put them out. Then you should go through after and fine tune.
I find that there are a lot of parallels between writing and editing and this is one of them. But this is really just a personal preference.
Aye definitely! Get the building blocks on the timeline and just lay them out, to begin with.
nice video! thnx
No problem!
You look like Tom Holland. Great video👍
Thanks! 😃
When I get finished shooting (if I can) I like to take a week or so to separate myself from the project.
I’m the writer/director/caterer on my movies, and because of that I have a thorough knowledge of what the intent of the script was, which is only a problem in that what I “wanted” and what I “have” are usually two different things.
During the week off I’ll do ingesting where I set up my project, merge audio and visual, and try to prepare so my edit goes as smoothly as possible.
It’s also very normal to hate beyond reason the first cut of your film/scene, Martin Scorsese was critiquing Goodfellas at its premiere.
Dive back in, and re-edit it, take a break for coffee if you need it, and get a version out to show to your friends you trust, who understand it is a work in progress, not a final product.
Also always have coffee going. You’re welcome.
"Always have coffee going" - this is something we should have put it in the video!
Hi there, I'm a Korean filmmaker. and I really like the image of the filmmaking process, would you mind If I use it in my book which is about how
to make a short film? Thanks.
Yes of course as long as you add a credit 'Provided by The Film Look'.
The Film Look awesome:)
I wonder if you event sync audio from takes that didnt make it, or do you only use the takes that made it?
I avoid syncing takes which I know I wouldn't use. But if you do decide to use a take and haven't synced the audio, using the same process and bring them together. If you are using Premiere Pro, look into the auto-sync feature. It recently came out for Premiere 2019-2020 and it's great!
quite ironic that there is a typo in video about correct editing!
haha oh god. What did we misspell?
At 3:54 - love your vids btw, keep it up!
Oh good spot!
You binned my sheets! :'(
Sorry Opie :(
U sound like darling Becky lynch
Similar but not quite!