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For context in 2018 when the tumblr exodus happened most tumblr users went to twitter and with it their culture
Twitter culture is tumblr culture
I know that you don't want us to put links in comments, BUT what if i put link to Never gonna give you up in a comment?
I wasn't surprised because I remember what happened at Woodstock 99
React to the Willy Wonka experience
7:07 - To clarify, Twitter users are actually Tumblr refugees BECAUSE they got rid of the porn.
Yep, they're a little unhinged on account of the addiction.
It wasn't just the porn. It was also art, artistic nudes, and even regular pictures that got flagged because of the faulty bots. That's why I ended up quitting the platform.
A minority of them based on what I've read. Twitter's user count didn't change much following Tumblr's porn ban.
@@Anthropomorphic A minority with a bottling problem.
@@Shockguey They're unhinged because tumblr users originally came from Livejournal. And god help whatever website they keep threatening to leave twitter for.
Internet Historian also covered the whole 4chan vs Tumblr raid during 2014 and the Capture the flag thing (Where 4chan triangulated cloud, stars and plane patterns to take Shia LeBouef's flag)
Let’s not forget the wonder that was Rainfurrest.
@@normalboy2907 At least at Rainfurrest everyone but the hotel staff had fun. Meanwhile Dashcon was just a $17k pisspitt.
I did not know what 4Chan was exactly before IH but now i both respect and fear them
@@popg21-the-epic51 Been an OG on the internet for a while
I used to use 4chan alot during my younger days (still kinda do) each board has basically its own culture and rules and pretty much does its own thing
a lot of people who don't know how the site works tend to say /b/ or /pol/ is all of 4chan when it really isn't its just the most insane boards
@@popg21-the-epic51 appropriate response
It's kinda fitting that you compared people from Dashcon to Twitter users, because tehcnically, they are.
When Tumblr banned NSFW stuff, many Tumblr (even those unrelated to NSFW stuff) users left to Twitter. And around same time, Twitter began to devolve into a cesspool we know it today. Coincedence? I think not.
I was gonna say the same thing. Now with Elon Musk owning Twitter, which is now being called X, and many of them not liking him for one reason or another, they're trying to find another platform to make their own, but as far as I know, they haven't found an alternative yet.
@@ChillyReaper fingers crossed those fools never find a home and just exist in limbo where they don't bother anyone
I'm not sure that's true. Tumblr did lose a lot of users after they banned porn, but Twitter didn't see much of an increase in users afterwards - in fact, Twitter actually lost users in that period, though they attributed that to banning a lot of bots. The Tumblr folks either didn't move to Twitter in droves, or they were already there. Also, I feel like Twitter was already shit in 2018, before the porn ban.
@@drakeredwingofficialhow does NSFW stuff bother u if u don't see it?
Here’s the kicker. Twitter was always a cesspool, it just gets worse with time.
"They're just twitter users"
The twitter users you're referring to came from tumblr after tumblr banned porn.
Some important info that IH never included:
There were 3 main organisers: Megan Eli, Roxanne Schweiterman and Cain Hopkins (who is the asshole lying about there being a riot of 5000 people). The whole thing was a disaster because of the gross incompetance and genuinely spiteful behaviour of Megan and Cain, who both seemed to really hate Roxanne (who was a literal teenager, while Megan was like 30 and Cain 20-something) and basically refused to do any of the heavy lifting work or communicate with her about anything. They forced her to try and wrangle everything by herself while actively sabotaging the con by ghosting her for weeks at a time, not doing their own jobs, spending all the money on themselves, and talking shit about Roxy to other helpers.
Other work (like booking the fucking celeb guests) was delegated to "teams" of "volunteers" who were literal teens and children from different Tumblr fandoms who also had zero con experience and no means to get anything done, which is why there were literally no big guests other than Night Vale (who Megan and Cain fcked over). Poor Roxy really tried to make something out of nothing, but it just wasn't possible when the people with all the control over the money refused to help her do anything or even speak to her when she needed them. It was Megan and Cain (the latter of whom was a known pathological liar in Tumblr circles, and has since been convicted for shoplifting) who orchestrated the money scam, stole the artwork, refused to pay guests/comp their rooms, lied about the charity etc. This entire shitshow was entirely their fault, and when confronted about it they tried to pin it on Roxy/4chan/literally anyone else. Both their tumblrs are still up but Cain wiped his after he got done for theft, and Megan abandoned hers in 2019. They never refunded anyone their money.
Wow. This whole thing really was a scam. Or at the very least turned into one. The real victims where the guest and the people who actually wanted to try and make the con work and be fun.
@@fictionfan3699 Yeah, they were 100% incompetent, and had basically no idea how to run any kind of event let alone a "major" convention.
Personally I feel like it may have started as a legit attempt, and turned into a scam when they knew certain things, like whatever the name of the band, had been canceled in advance. Them continuing to advertise something they know is cancelled is completely scamming at that point.
Alicia: "I didn't even know tumblr had a convention at some point"
Me, who was on tumblr during this whole fiasco: "I still don't think they did"
thank frick I wasn't part of this crowd xD
As soon as I saw the notification, I screamed YES! Looking forward to your reaction to this disastrous infamous convention.
Also, hope your treatment is still going well. 👍🌹
Reacting to IH's Dashcon video is the very last step before the precipice: reacting to his RainFurrest video.
She ain't ready lol.
No one ready for it
She already did on her stream
She has a twitch aliciaxlife
God, I almost threw up in my mouth seeing those words.
She just REACTED to it
"They're just Twitter users! I didn't realize they were doing this too!"
Where so you think they came from? After the porn ban, they jumped ship to Twitter to be toxic there. Nowadays Tumblr is much better, not great, mind you, but still better than it once was.
I hate how the Welcome to night vale crew didn’t show up because they weren’t being paid the agreed amount and the person telling everyone was like “please sigh loudly about this”
This is why I don’t go to cons, they’re already a nightmare even when organized and run properly, let alone having the threat of the organizers fleeing into the night with your money hanging in the air.
WAIT, did you do Rainfurrest? if you're watching his video on Dashcon you are absolutely REQUIRED to do Rainfurrest
10:39 Nobody is safe from comedy.
Two-spirit is a modern, pan-Indian, umbrella term used by some Indigenous North Americans to describe Native people in their communities who fulfill a traditional third-gender ceremonial and social role in their cultures. The term Two Spirit was created in 1990 at the Indigenous lesbian and gay international gathering in Winnipeg, and "specifically chosen to distinguish and distance Native American/First Nations people from non-Native peoples". The primary purpose of coining a new term was to encourage the replacement of the outdated and considered offensive, anthropological term, berdache. This new term has not been universally accepted, having been criticized as a term of erasure by traditional communities who already have their own terms for the people being grouped under this new term, and by those who reject what they call the "Western" binary implications, such as implying that Natives believe these individuals are "both male and female"
04:35 The Dark Knight Shooting was 2012, Dashcon was 2014
Please do failure of Rainfurrest next! a furry convention that turned equally disastrous, but for...different reasons.
This.
I was on tumblr during the Dashcon weekend. It was... insanity watching people post about it as it unfolded.
Wanna know what the funniest part is?
This isn't even the most in-depth video on UA-cam.
SarahZ put out a much longer video that does an even bigger deep dive into not only the what, but the how's, whys, end who's.
ALSO:
Receipt indicates that they had at least $10,000 in cash before asking for donations, from door sales.
But the ticket price is $65.
65 times 350 is 22,750.
WHERE'S THE MONEY, LEBOWSKI?!
Even if the charity part wasn't a scam, it would have been a terrible idea. Fan conventions, especially new ones, barely brake even at the best of times and need to reinvest 100% of their money if they want to survive. It's why all the events were so bare bones. They could have easily eaten through that $9K making the events decent.
Twitter actually wasn't too bad until Tumblr banned porn and their user base invaded.
That Steven Universe energy is helluva drug
Leave it to Tumblr to do double cons for double points.
2 Spirit is a modern reinterpretation of an outdated and rather offensive term to refer to people in American Indigenous cultures that are part of a "third gender" and fulfill a cultural and religious role in their communities, this is also an umbrella term as most/all of the specific tribes and cultures have their own words for it specific to them.
It's not the same as being "bi-gender" because 2 Spirit in most cases is specifically tied to their religion.
Make fun of everyone and everything. Because if I can't laugh, all I can do is cry.
Treat everyone as equals by laughing at all of them.
18:28 it gets worse once you find out WHY they were singing. The people at the head of the room pining for donations, were leading the room in this, because a small number of people in the crowd, were legitimately, and rightfully angry and outraged by what was happening, and were speaking out. The heads of the room were leading the crowd in this singing in order to drown out the people who were speaking out and calling this what it was, extortion.
This was effectively, a room full of 350 people, sticking their fingers in their ears and going "la la la la la la la i can't hear you" Like pathetic spoiled children being told a truth they didn't want to hear, while the people taking advantage of them, told them to drown it out.
So glad you're doing this one. This and Rainfurrest are my top 2 Internet Historian videos.
Native American here to help with the question about the Two-Spirits: It’s a belief we are born with multiple ones (depending on tribe) some use male female terms and others use animal terms. For the former it’s believed we’re born with the spirit of both and meant to be equal to eachother but can ‘tune into’ the other as our main one, kinda making the term masculine woman or feminine man. But if a man is more into his female spirit then he will be seen as a woman to the tribe and be called a daughter/sister to his family. FYI I am just passing on how I was taught/raised around my tribesmen and encounters so if it is different for others then that is probably why.
Looks like you guys deserved to be conquered
What tribe specifically? Or is this commonly shared?
@@samwallaceart288 for my personal experience it was commonly shared. Since we would meet up with other tribes at times to pass stories and just talk or discuss important things/grievances. But in short it was just common knowledge really to us.
@@ScarecrowFerryman Thanks, that's interesting and seems a good way to think of it
I believe the con started out genuine, but like IH said, the organizers clearly opportunistically swindled their attendants after realizing the event was screwed
"Who protect the little gay beans homies?" Umm...literally every company ever currently? Like you can even talk shit about them
If you want to see something wholesome from 4Chan then I would highly recommend, as would anybody else who has a disability, "The Visual Novel that Broke 4Chan". I know how loaded that entire beginning sentence seems but, *trust me,* this will not get you demonitized or fill you with shame and regret in spite of _everything_ the title implies.
IT IS ON STEAM NOW!
dashcon truly was one of the events from that year 💀
Dashcon was even worse than IH makes it out to be. The main three organizers, two adults, one minor, shoved everything onto the minor and ran with the cash.
I've been that minor in such a situation before. I now have a physical aversion to anyone who makes high-and-mighty promises and acts like some grand martyr; work for the guy who talks shit but does his job.
When I went to AnimeExpo in 2015, I put a Dragonball air freshener on my backpack to ward off the con-stink. I got it as a freebie from the Crunchyroll booth!
Hospitals use masks (specifically the big round ones) with peppermint oil when the nurses and janitors have to clean up messy situations.
That's my suggestion.
t. Ex hospital sanitation team
@@Shockgueyor, they cheap out and you hold your breath to clean and step out of the room every so often to catch a new breath.
-also a hospital janitor
07:10 Why do you think that Twitter became such a horrible place? Becase the Tumbler users emigrated to that site a few years ago.
The Cringe I get from these People xD Hunger Game sign is just the start
Alicia crying: They're just twitter users man!
Yes they are, where else would they go after Tumblr's nsfw nuke caused the brainrot to flee.
7:05 Yup. Where did you think the Tumblr users migrated to? Straight to Twitter. Well, you really only know if you keep tabs on what's happening with the cringy side of the internet and there's just so much happening in the world that it's impossible to expect everyone to understand everything that's happening. It's already hard enough to just keep aware of what's happening locally, we stand no chance of always knowing what's happening nationally or even globally. Just staying on track regarding a single hobby is already a full time job to stay informed.
All the Tumblr users left Tumblr FOR Twitter around 2018, so TECHNICALLY they ARE Twitter users..... somehow the NSFW ban of 2018, got all the wierdos out, but the degens stayed. So TECHNICALLY you're still correct. Timing is the key for all the current day stigmas
Twitter saw no noticeable uptick in traffic during that time. It literally didn't effect them. The communities were already interconnected.
6:29 - I almost forgot about what happened to Mark at this thing. That was an early glimpse into the BS that's now taken over our lives.
I haven't heard of Dashcon in years wow
Hope the cancer treatment is still going well Alicia & thank you for the funny takes and wholesome reactions genuinely helps me stay positive & keeps me from going down the depresso rabbit hole 😇
it wasnt the buyout, it was the pr0n ban that killed it
two spirit is an ancient native american belief that some people don't follow the gender norms because they have both a male and female spirit. and they were thought to be blessed people that brought good fortune. So basically, intersex, trans, nonbinary and gender nonconforming people could be considered two spirits in their tribes. and some native american people choose this label of two spirits to identify their gender identity.
“Two-Spirit” is a term used within some Indigenous communities, encompassing cultural, spiritual, sexual and gender identity. The term reflects complex Indigenous understandings of gender roles, spirituality, and the long history of sexual and gender diversity in Indigenous cultures.
"We have Dashcon at home" but this time the home version is clearly superior.
This is part.. just PART of why I have not been to a Con of any kind since... what, the 90s. Yeah, the 90s. And yes, I realize that means I was fed up BEFORE these events even occurred.. but time travel is a staple of convention going.. prove me wrong. I mean I was at the City of Heroes Convention in the 2000s but I am certain that was still somehow in the 90s. ;)
Too many people, too many problems and WAY to many hot tub time machines.
I swear, the internet historian could make up some ballsh*t story that never happened, and people would believe it because he's such a good story teller of past events.
He could force the Mandela effect. Make up some story, and then 10 years form now people will be like "Remember that story from the the internet historian, that was wild", but the story wasn't real, people will just remember the story told by him and be convinced it was real.
Sorry, i rambled a bit, WTF was i on about, look i'm tired ok!!
Hating a gay hispanic man because he is a "straight white male" is the most Tumblr thing.
what they did with the money? took it, did a little dance, jumped out the window ran down the drive and off into the horizon, never to be seen again
Who could have possibly guessed that Alphabet People could be easily scammed?
Tumblr was twitter before twitter. When tumblr basically shut down they all migrated to twitter and reddit and ruined those sites aswell.
Site traffic data shows they were already there and never "migrated" anywhere. Just your biases showing.
@@Nyx_2142 Wow It's almost like people have multiple social media accounts who knew. The important aspect is how much time they were spending on Tumblr vs Twitter. With Tumblr essentially gone brought their crazy to tumblr full time.
It would be cool if Alica could react to more Internet Historian, specially his Incognito mode
Two spirits was somthing that in 2014 was apart the acrynym the problem is the comunity back then while less toxic than now was in a weird phase of trying to unite the outcasts
11:43 The amounts of money were so small it didn't justify filing a lawsuit
Dash con was just the real world tumblr experience.
I really hope you end up looking at "Let's Game it Out". Josh is peak chaos
NUM NUM
All that's left is the Rainfurrest video to complete the Internet Historian Failed Festival Trilogy
I love your energy and sense of humor :D
tumblr really was just Proto-Twitter in the end.
i love how alica was more disgusted by these people than the furry people shitting and leaving diapers out
It's disturbing to know that that many cringe and vomit inducing people exist and congregate
The fact that disgusting and deplorable people tend to congregate in select sites and forums (echo chambers) makes them really easy to avoid. Tumblr, Twitter, Reddit, 4chan. Facebook too. Much better to avoid them all.
There were other videos that went more in depth, but basically the main reason the con went to shit was because the 2 main people who in charge of organizing it spent most of their drinking and talking about what they want to do instead of actually organizing it. In fact they actually tricked a 17yo girl was a friend of theirs on tumblr to help organize the event , which resulted in pretty much her doing it solo while the other 2 did nothing. In fact they were so useless that when they showed up to the con to go backstage or on certain panels the security for the con continually stopped them because they didn't recognize them as associated with the convention.
Meant to respond to this right away, but forgot. Anyway, the Q&A has some answers to some of the things you mentioned as well as other clarifications, but if you weren't planning on watching it:
- I know you didn't say much about Welcome to Night Vale, but I thought it was important to clarify that situation. Basically, they did show up and even did an autograph signing (or a similar fan meet-up event, I forget exactly what it was). However, Dashcon hadn't paid them yet, and so they basically said "Okay, if you expect us to hold up the rest of our agreement, you have to hold up yours first and actually pay us." Not only did Dashcon not, but they stiffed them on the room, too. On top of that, apparently Night Vale had cut short a tour to be there in the first place.
- The Dashcon organizers were never sued because the amounts of money that they owed were small enough that pursuing them through litigation wouldn't have been worth it. The only exception was the hotel, and of course, that was the one agreement that they actually made sure to fulfill their end of. The main repercussions that the organizers dealt with is that their reputations are so shot from this disaster that it's unlikely that they'll ever be involved in a con again. (They tried doing a second con, but for this very reason, that effort didn't get very far).
- Regarding the DVD, apparently it was never made. It is known that photographers/cameramen were there filming for it, and it was discovered which company they were working for. Unfortunately, from what I've seen, the footage was never found, and likely no longer exists.
20:50 Being Transparent was the T that didn't get included in their LGBT panel.
It truly was the perfect convention for Tumblr. Just piss, people harassing a gay hispanic guy for not being gay and hispanic enough or something, and idiots with big ideas who have no idea what they're doing who eventually turn into outright scammers.
I do like the demon cosplayer though. Some troll shows up to interview him and he just effortlessly plays along.
I was really hoping you would watch this IT vid before rainfurrest since there is a small compare between the 2 during the rainfurrest vid
Tumbler is were Twitter people were hanging out before they migrated to Twitter
Remember all the tumbler users moved over to twitter after the buy out… so yes they act like twitter users XD
I recommend watching Incognito Mode's Jeff the Killer video! Absolutely love that video!
Doesn't he have Chills do the voice for Jeff in that one?
I've been looking forward to this one for a while!
The video on The Failure of Rainfurrest is another great video about a failed con from Internet Historian
How did you not know tumblr has basically always been an internet haven of the far left?
Yo I was there! I was on that stream!
Yes, more of the Internet Historian please! I adore your reactions to his content!
they still speak of the baby born in the ballpit to this day on tumblr.
Do you remember when tumblr was a reliable place to find porn images. Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Man all the Homestuck cosplayers in this video.
The overlap between original Homestuck fans and tumblr(twitter) users is such an eye opener once you're fully aware of it.
The Homestuck fandom was patient zero for the left wing insanity we deal with today, it's fucking mindblowing because Homestuck isn't anywhere near as well known today, and the size of the fandom at its peak is laughable compared to fandoms today, but it IS the direct ancestor to all this stuff.
🤔 I can't remember if she did the rainfurest one yet. That would be the best one to have next. Its another con video. This, rainfurest and fire fest are like the panelists of the failed covention panel.
Edit: 3:30 "But wait they took $65 from people. What did they do with the money?" LMAOOO Im so glad he mentions this at the end.
I’ve been waiting for this one
and thanks to the relatively long life of individual posts, we still have like 'Nam flashbacks in the form of pre-dashcon hype from genuinely excited teenagers. the ballpit. THE BALLPIT.
WAIT the video didn’t mentioned that the con was organized/started by a 17 year old 💀💀
Another fun Internet Historian video is Going Camping at the End of the World. It details one of the many times people thought the world was going to end and all the chaos that comes with it.
(No actual camping unfortunately, Camping is just the last name of the guy predicting the end of the world.)
nice alicia reacting to more internet historian
Oh man i really wish "seriouss business" is next from internet historian
3.38 that aged well.😅
Hurts more when digging I found out the ball pit was free until that point
As someone who is "technically" part of the LGBTQ+ "community", you do not have to say you're supportive, especially in response to those kinds of people. We all know the ones. The ones who make their sexuality and involvement in the "community" their entire personality and push it upon others.
People like that are a big reason why a lot of us don't care for the community, and don't consider ourselves part of that community anymore. That and the fact that the community is toxic as hell, with insane amounts of infighting and bitterness.
I live in a small, rural, midwest town where lots of people have more conservative values. And I have never once been legitimately discriminated against for my sexuality. You know where I have experienced discrimination for my sexuality?
Online. From people within the so called "community", who think that bisexuals don't exist and are actually just too scared to admit they're gay, or they're actually straight. The same people who call femboys and tomboys "eggs" that are actually just trans and "don't know it yet" or "won't admit it yet", and that they just need to "hatch" (which is such a weird and creepy mentality btw).
The number of LGBTQ+ people becomming disenchanted with the community, and with pride, is growing more and more as the bad actors within grow more and more insufferable. Just treat everyone kindly and like they're regular people, and we're good.
I think people should learn more important things than made up labels, like only 15% of Americans know when the American constitution was written, *that's* a problem
Everyone should make jokes at everyones expense no one is out of the line of fire no one should have special rights to not be made fun of because if you can't laugh at someone and they can't laugh at you then you aren't on the same playing field
My only thing is the joke itself should be for a positive purpose, it shouldn't be mean-spirited.
For me the target isn't the issue, it's the intent and takeaway
@@samwallaceart288 even if it is mean spirited someone should still be allowed to do it we'll just know that they're an asshole
Oh you don’t know about dashcon!? I need to grab a bowl of popcorn cause this is about to be GOOD! Seeing this mess happen in real time when I was in high school was WILD
Tumbler was the Twitter before Twitter.
Tumblr is a surprisingly nice place now, so I say that the initial NSFW ban actually did some good in the long run. Sure, the refugees went to Twitter, but that’s no loss.
Simple maths, door sales alone if they had say 500 people in total is $32,500, they then raised "another" 17k from guilting people, but likely only made another 2-5k, they still would have had anywhere from 30-40k, that includes fee's from vendor shops buying up space, none of the acts were likely even offered pay and like the volunteers expected to donate their labour for free, the rooms for them were at their cost not the convention too.
So for a days scam they took home about 10-20k for themselves, and I bet if the hotel didn't demand pay they would have stiffed the hotel too, it was just unfortunate that they had to pay or be kicked out... and I am doubting the hotel cost too, I wouldn't be surprised to find out they negotiated a lesser amount by crying we don't have that sort of money, and a little research makes me seem right since the hotel wanted 20k... the receipt has been called fake by a lot of people too...
I also know you can get grant payments from local and government bodies by calling yourself a charity or supported by one, they likely got some government money by faking being attached to one... did one of these "scams" when I tried event management, those things are inbuilt to steal money, I didn't realise until the clowns let me and some others have the main passwords to fix their internet, I didn't get caught but two others did going over the money and they got fired.
Even at the lowest number say 300 people they made $19,500 from door sales, I am sure there were VIP tickets, and the sales, it still made profits for the organisers, finding the event details is fairly hard, and I want to play some BG3 instead of deep diving a scam from a decade ago...
"Where did the money go?" The ball pit ofcourse.
always nice to see you react
SIXTEEN TIMES THE BALLPIT!!!
Well there is that CON in CON artist after all :D
Ahhhh, tumblr/twitter/facebook/social media crazies... Always nice to see.
Yeah, that's Tumblr.
Rick and Morty reaction on the way to work, Internet Historian on the way home 😊
Now thats what i consider a great start to the weekend!!
“Dont be these motherfuckers” back then that was just tumbler now days thats normalised in the comunity
Twitter git toxic when tumbler died