David P. i had the 7th gen the 8th gen and the 9th gen still have the ep3 (7th gen) and 2015 si gave the 8th gen to my niece for her 16th bday and i choose the 9th gen over all 3 i loved that high rev from the 8th gen and love the 7th gen cornering but all and all love the 9th gen all around looks plus it's fatser than all three now i choose the 9th over the 10th cause if i put the same size turbo on my 9th gen I'll eat the 10th gen alive
@David P. oh yeah? How about this: 6th gen owners be like "6th gen > 7th all day." 7th gen owners be like "7th gen hatchback > Acura RSX all day." S2000 owners be like "s2000 > Acura RSX all day." RSX owners be like "RSX > 8th gen all day."
David P. Happens with evo's and sti's. I mean every time a car changes so much you'll always get some who like the old and some that like the new unless it's a 2011 SER spec v that is the biggest POS ever sold as a 4 door sports car.
Test drove one the other day: Build quality very good for the price. Drove very smoothly. Acceleration is good but not stunning. Roof is low, especially with the moon-roof. The driver sits low. The entire effect is like looking out of a "squashed" car. No spare tire. Manual seat controls for driver. Touch screen for entertainment system was very responsive, but difficult to use without looking directly at it. Horizontal trunk space is excellent, even with the seats up. For the price , a very nice car.
I've owned a lot of Hondas. The 8th, 9th, and now the 10th gen si. The chassis alone feels much tighter and willing in the turns. And everyone complaining about power, Honda heads always find a way to get more. Give the car a chance. New tech doesn't mean it's a bad Si.
There are some 500 whp 1.6 sohc out there. This si just needs time and r&d. This is a great fun daily driver. And I've owned even an ap2 s2000. Every time a new si comes out the previous gen owners always say new ones trash last gen is better. So when the 11th gen si comes out this car will be appreciated lol. And new Type R is great but with dealer mark up it's not worth it. 60k for a civic? Nah, that's used gtr money.
i own a 2015 civic si and i have driven the new 2017 civic si, the 2017 is definitely faster stock for stock. Its a great daily driver because you get all the torque down low compared to our 9th gens.
@KTown407 World First off the 17 and 18 SI is rated at 192 torque, not 180. Second, can you get a Mustang GT or Camaro V8 for $24,000??? No you cant!! Does the GT or Camaro have limited slip diff?? No it doesnt. Does the GT or Camaro have adjustable dampners? No it doesnt. Does the GT or Camaro get 40mpg?? No it doesnt. You're comparing apples and oranges. The SI is the BEST car in its price range with the BEST balance of performance, handling AND mpg!!
Jose J that’s how I feel. I’m about to buy my own and just wanted to know exactly what I’m getting into. Reviewers all go over the same main things but this guy actually goes in depth with a lot of the features. Makes me feel confident that I’m getting what I believe I’m getting.
+Phong Do I'm glad we were able to help with other details regarding the car. We really tried to go as in depth as possible. Thanks again for checking out our video!
Best video review yet. I’ve watched close to all of them. Picking my 2018 si up in two days. Since Honda talked about the 2019 si and really nothing much is being changed. So excited thanks for the review!!
I've always owned "higher end" cars like BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus etc. Never thought I would purchase a civic but I was impressed with the looks of the new ones. Drove an Si and liked it so much I bought one. Still surprised to see a Honda in my driveway instead of a BMW lol. Can't beat the 40mpg average I'm getting, legendary Honda build quality and fun factor when driving. After a month of ownership I'm thoroughly impressed with my first Honda!
Lmao when the 9th gens came out everybody was hating on em, talking about "I'm sticking with my 8th gen maaan. Now the 10th gens are out... lol now it's "maaaan I'm sticking with my 9th gen it's so much faster" lol you rere's a stock 9th gen has 174 whp. New 10th gens have 205 whp. Hondata released the flashpro... simple reflash adds 27whp. That's puts you at 232whp. Imagine after bolt ons and pro tune.... also I owned a 9th gen SI and now own a 10th gen SI and love em both. Stop bitching and crying over the civic and just enjoy...
Joshua Everage It's really just the potential. It's as simple as a smaller engine displacement generally means less power potential compared to a larger one (1.5L vs 2.4L).
Joshua Everage actually the engines turbo doesnt allow anymore power with bolt ons. hondata maxed out the turbo....with full bolt ons people are seeing maybe 4 WHP over 230.....the turbo is maxed out...it actually is the same engie amd same turbo...just slightly different internals for longevity. your better offgetting the sport and getting a tune.
This is a great review! Bought my Si about 3 weeks ago, just took it through Ortega hwy, I cannot complain. It's very efficient and fun. Lightweight, nimble, and like you mentioned the car the car is probably faster than you! Thanks again for the detailed review. For some it's all about the horsepower, drive the car and people will be shocked at what it can do.
Yea man totally agree I actually never even considered a honda civic si as a car for me, but with this current inflation it was really the sportiest car I could get w a manual trans for that price and lets just say I’m not disappointed at all. Surprised even at how fun of a driving experience it is. I’m also glad it isn’t high hp I already got too many tickets atm and by the time those are cleared off my record I’ll have the new 400z🤑🤑
EvenimateE, thanks for checking out our videos! We agree, a Hatch Si would be really nice! I think Honda wanted to keep the hatchback platform for the Type R. Thanks again!
i dont need high performance....i just want to got fast sometimes....but not so fast....the price difference between the regular and the si is not much that is why i feel it worth it
Owned every single gen of the si and now Own the exact same Car. By far the best....love it it’s aimed for mature drivers. I am 30 so it suits me perfectly. And the 4 door makes it very practical
Best, most thorough review yet on this car. With 20K on a '17 SI -still good with my choice. The only work on it so far other than oil change was a readjustment recently of the left front brake assembly to eliminate a noise. Apparently one part was a tiny bit out of spec and rubbed on left corners- but brakes still worked fine. Right Honda fixed it easily, no worries. Even without summer tires handling and grip are first rate. I will definitely upgrade once the stock all seasons wear out. Doing my best, but the suckers won't die! Averaging 31.7 mpg combined, more like 40's on anything but stop and go. Have driven some rwd and awd performance cars, this holds its own, but you do need the correct fwd technique to approach its limits. You will have a ball wringing it out. I test drove a WRX and a Focus RS - two great cars- and still bought this as my daily driver. Enough said.
Not sure what happened to my post. Meant to say had a noise when turning left recently, and it was just a small brake part out of alignment and easily fixed. Otherwise no issues.
man I just spent the last month going to my closest Honda dealer test driving everything from standard Civics to the Ridgeline. ALL of them were freaking phenomenal!! These new Civics are the nicest highest quality ergonomically well designed as well as fit and finish ever. The Ridgeline was stupid nice but to big. As much as I loved the turbo 4 door hatchback Civic to death I wound up buying a 2017 CRV EX L. I am blown away. I have seen $80,000 cars and trucks that did not have the ingot like fit and finish of these latest gen Hondas.
Well made video, got to drive one of these at the dealership. I was skeptical at first since there's no V-tec, but I was pleasantly surprised, the ride was fun and very sporty!
Yeah. The 86 is a personal favorite because of it's ancestors, but it's way over priced for what it is. Even the FRS. It's almost 10 years old and it's not "affordable" as they claim.
I agree with this. This car his not getting the praise it needs. I had a 9thgen SI sedan red with 218WHP and traded in for a 10th gen SI red and this car pulls harder than the 9th gen (ONCE TURBO HITS). When turbo his not there is GAY (This can be change by tuning of course). But let me tell you this car is awesome I was at first kind of meh becuase of the 1.5 litter motor but look at the numbers this car is making we already have a 12.9 second 10thgen SI. Remember Honda has 1.5 and 1.6 way older motors with a LOOOOOT of HP on them so. I really like the 10thgen really do, performance, technology etc.
Danny Lugo oh absolutely it’s a completely different machine. Listen I was dead set against it until I went to go get the 2018 2.0t. And I chose the Si over that accord and that accord is a fucking monster!!! The engine is so technical with everything they did. I just think everything looks so perfect. Other sporty cars he’s not mentioning Is the Scion brz I have worked on more frs than anything in this class and even right off the truck we have had to make adjustments to doors, hoods, hatches. I personally had to remount 10 brz front bumpers cause of how off they were. A normal person wouldn’t even notice how off the mines were on them but I would pick it out everytime. And then we started going over them the second they got off the truck and we start sending them back to the dock where they come in off the boats on the east coast. One thing with my 2018 Si is I’m not a big fan of the grills on the rear bumper. Big open black pockets lol.
Hey bro, I been looking around for an answer, how is the clutch of the 10th? I been hearing it wears out around 20k miles. Is it true? How is yours? I plan on getting mines in Aug but wanna know more about the clutch
2500 miles on my si, love it so far, imo 10th gen are the best looking stock civics ever built, though a little too big for me still, but I told myself this was a "grown up" car when I bought it, and yeah the fake vents on the back are hokey, but these are the only Honda seats I have ever been comfortable in. The handling is so no drama it's almost boring, which has kept me working harder to get more and more out of it, I don't think I'll need more power for a while because I always seem to run out of road anyway. Only things I want to change are shifter bushings(cachunk cachunk shifts drive me batty), and maybe clutch line, clutch engages like .5" off of the firewall after a long throw. And my only complaints are that the steering wheel is so high, the window sills are high too so I can't rest my arm, and the cupholder placement in the center console sucks if you have more than 1 other person in the car. As fun as a 7000+ rpm screamer would be 40mpg tips the balance for me! $0.02
ayoo dawg I noticed those cachunk cachunk shifts too. Fucking annoying tbh, especially when I’m doing some more chill driving I swear that sound rings throughout the car. When I’m whipping it a little bit harder like 4k+ rpm shifts I don’t really notice it
Is changing the shifter bushings really the proper fix? I just don’t have the most knowledge on manual transmissions as it’s my first manual car. I do wanna do something to fix those clanks every time you shift between gears
Personally I purchased a lightly used GTI Autobahn with Performance Pack after test driving both. Performance wise they are both solid, well grounded, handle like go karts, and have more than enough power. However, at the same price the GTI was exponentially more refined and made daily driving far more pleasant as I did need my car for my 50 mile commute. Plus, I just love hatchbacks 😝 PS: I was coming from a 2000 Mazda Protege 1.6 (the classic grandma hand me down) so my idea of "enough power" is skewed compared to some of you who have spent more time in performance cars
david duong dude I know... I've already got my whole wish list made out and it's simply a matter of paying the car off then it's down the rabbit hole 😝
10th gen rules. Because handling. Torque. Braking. Adaptive dampers. Limited slip. Weight savings. Better seats. VTEC? No, but what you get instead makes this the drivers choice.
I've owned two FG2 Si Coupe's 06, 07. I honestly feel the nimbleness and fun character is somewhat lost these days with the refinement and complexity cars have gotten these days.
Idk to me the 9th gen coupe si is the sexiest one out of all because the 12-13 coupe is for more sleek streamlined look and the 14-15 coupe si makes it look like its gotta wide body and just looks better over all
I just traded my 2010 Camaro 2SS in on one of these (I have a 2hr daily commute). I was pleasantly surprised with the test drive - pretty comfortable for a economy car. A blast to drive for sure with a lot of tech for the money. I got a green coupe SI. I rented a 2016 Ford Focus the week before and the Civic is so much nicer to drive (more room and comfort!)
I don't know why anyone would complain about 205 horsepower. I drove my brothers 2013 VW GTI with about 205hp and in sport mode that thing goes so fast its ridiculous!
This is the most slept on Si! I never see these around , may not have the most power in it but forsure sounds good for a stock car ! Nice Honda & this is coming from a GTi owner , I actually wasn’t a fan of these at first but they forsure have grown on me over the years ! These are dope & boosted what more can you want from a Si?!
I bought a new Blue 2018 a month ago. Grear combination of power and mpg.....only complaint is the weak clutch, if you tune this car for more hp and torque the clutch WILL slip and you have to replace it.
Low end torque is nice zipping around town. It’s better for mature driving and you don’t sound like a dickhead revving out all day in a b series or k series. It’s very comfortable and handles like a dream.
chao they will when ppl start complaining they will do a remodeling n add the vtec they mess it up big time type r should be k24 turbo vtec n let the si be k20 vtec turbo how fun its that. but not supposly there looking at reliable
You boneheads dont get it.....need more Power?? Buy a Damn Type R!!!!!! I LOVE my 18 SI, great combo of performance, handling AND 40mpg!!! NO other car at this price range of 24K has limited slip dif, and adjustable dampers.
Idk if I'm losing it but after looking at the 4 door over and over again the roundness the added to the back from the side from just makes it look like a 4 door coupe really odd but I still like it lol
owned an 8th gen, own a 9th gen currently, maybe one day i'll own the latest. you either love or hate the 2012 model year, i personally think they look good lowered. i can tell you my 8th gen was much funner to drive at high rpm's and WOT. i could feel the vtec crossover. i could chirp the tires in 2 & 3rd but the car lacked in torque. throw a passenger in the car, or on a hot humid day it felt like i was dragging a boat anchor. my 9th gen is a different story. its a torque monster in comparison. its a very smooth power band, the only downside is- its a very linear power curve that gets kinda boring to drive. the interior has improved for sure, the suede on my 8th gen was horrendous to keep clean. i'm not gonna be quick to trade in my 9th on a 10th civic though, for me, my car is half way paid off... has full bolt ons, is lowered, is a blast to drive- N/A means theres less shit to go wrong. don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking the 10th gen, but it doesn't do enough for me right now to want to get rid of my current ride.
I've got my 9th gen. I love it and I drove the new and it feels like a cushy very cushy soccer mom comfort feel. Like I wanna feel the road every rock. Like my 9th gen you have feel everything in the car this being more in tune. The new 10th gen doesn't give me that feel it feels like a Honda odyssey with a major weight reduction
spare tire is not really much load if you are only daily driving...if you plan to track, just leave it home......they took it out to add sportyness appeal
Honda took a 1.5 and maxed it out about 60-70% compared to a 9th gen k24 2.4L which after tuning, I feel the k24 is safer with adding mor hp and torque. A small displacement causes each of those cylinders a lot of stress when ppl start tuning for 300hp+ vs a k24. Honda spent a lot of Engineering into balancing power and longevity for the new si which is good but kinda a bummer. But I love all SI’s ❤️
Great review, I recently sold my 8th gen si And purchased the 10th gen Si. At first I regretted it, but as time goes by I'm really starting to love my new Civic. I'm mainly looking for suspension info? I wouldn't say Coilovers are needed cause Honda's stock is probably gonna be better than any aftermarket. But, definitely gonna need more low hands down.
+Fallen4sc Glad to hear you've grown to love your si! At the moment, there are no lowering springs available as of yet, but if a set is released, we'll make sure to add them to the site.
How is this car really as a daily driver? I'm coming off an '04 TSX that had the A-Spec suspension installed and it was a blast to drive, but I also need any car I own to function well as an every day car, because I'm a one-car guy. The TSX functioned well in both capacities, as well as having the best manual gearbox I've ever used. Oddly enough, the current Civics are about the same size as that car. This car is a little off-putting visually from a couple of angles, but overall it looks good and I enjoyed my test drive very much, but it's not until you get the car home and live with it for a while that it's foibles become apparent. I'm just a little concerned that it will be too stiff for everyday use, not that the TSX was plush by any stretch of the imagination. Any opinions would be appreciated.
I have a 97 acura 3.0 CL and I really like the idea of this car, I feel it hits a lot of positives that I would look for in a car, any one have thoughts for me?
A donut in the trunk isn't too much to ask for. It's not about saving weight. It's about $$$. If a blowout occurs, let the customer waste time & pay for roadside assistance.
I have the 10th gen Si and S2000 AP2. This Si feels refined but definitely not an ideal track car, the suspension is way too soft even in sport mode. It's a good canyon carver for spirited driving tho. I get decent MPG at 32 combined. I like the car overall. Per Car and Driver and Motortrend, the 10th gen Si isn't the fastest stock Si.
We're going to have a follow-up video that analyzes what exactly happened to the turbo on our EXT. In short, the outside temperatures were just too extreme and the car was pushed too hard. If you're crazy like us and want to track a 10th Gen in 100+ degree weather, then an oil temperature gauge or oil cooler will come to the rescue and prevent something like this from happening. The engine and transmission and everything else held up perfectly. FYI, the replacement turbo cost us about $750 and 4 hours of labor (we did the work).
So now you guys have me thinking. My 2017 Coupe puts out 174 HP with the CVT Automatic. 30 extra HP represents a 17% increase. I like my leather; I like my Lane Keep Assistance, etc. and I like the CVT. So...how much trouble is it to swap the turbo so that I can approach the Si's HP with my 10th Gen coupe? Simple bolt on or more involved?
Love my 2012 si sedan best lookin body to me small truck lip aggressive front makes it a sleeper wen scions n mini coopers pull up thinkin it’s a ex n I pull on them they be like got damn that’s not a ex it’s a fukin si😭
Great informative video guys.. Question, is the SI driveable with 87 octane? Do you loose abit of power and thats it? Gas is pretty pricy here in Ontario Canada..
I had the 7th gen the 8th gen and the 9th gen still have the ep3 (7th gen) and 2015 si gave the 8th gen to my niece for her 16th bday and i choose the 9th gen over all 3 i loved that high rev from the 8th gen and love the 7th gen cornering but all and all love the 9th gen all around looks plus it's fatser than all three now i choose the 9th over the 10th cause if i put the same size turbo on my 9th gen I'll eat the 10th gen alive in my opinion atleast lol
Trevon Adams but how far can you mod a 1.5 compared to a 2.4 and i dont do fast and the furious im not out here blocking off streets and running around the city i usually start a run with someone on a straight away so cornering capabilities isn't really going to help me win that run
Great review!! But... You look like you're in shape! Why wear those big ass pants? Lol other than that, great detailed review! I wish they had the touring headlights. Great car though ;)
The car has dual VTC, which is a technology normally incorporated into i-Vtec (this can be found in the intake side of the 9th gens as well). However, the turbo adds quite a bit more power than Vtec would.
I just recently bought the 2017 Civic SI anyone have any suggestions for mods. I live in Massachutts so the laws here when it comes to emmissions are pretty strict and are only getting stricter. What is a good aftermarket ecu that would work for this car.
The new CARB Exempt FlashPro is a 50 state emissions legal ECU tuner that gives fantastic gains. Simply plug in and go! Here is more info on it: www.procivic.com/p/m/civic/hondata-flashpro.html
+Greg The 2.0 was reserved for the Type R instead. How much more power you make with the flashpro will depend on how it's tuned. However, we've seen upwards of 250tq with a good tune
If they added a turbo to the 8th gen or 9th gen si would be better it took them a long time to finally add a turbo they should have done this a while ago jesus
Hi, What is the typical age range for the si? I am interested in this car however, I feel I'm too old for it 31 btw lol. I am also considering the Elantra sport which is more refined.
Pitt412, first off you are not that old. The age range in the performance Civic community ranges from about 18 to about early 40s. You would actually be surprised how many people in thier 50s and even 60s tune their civics. They are our customers but not are as involved in the community. I guess the Si appeals to all ages who enjoy fun. Thanks again for checking out our channel and watching the video!
8th gen owners be like "8th gen > 9th all day". 9th gen owers be like "9th gen > 10th gen all day". Never ceases to amuse me.
David P. i had the 7th gen the 8th gen and the 9th gen still have the ep3 (7th gen) and 2015 si gave the 8th gen to my niece for her 16th bday and i choose the 9th gen over all 3 i loved that high rev from the 8th gen and love the 7th gen cornering but all and all love the 9th gen all around looks plus it's fatser than all three now i choose the 9th over the 10th cause if i put the same size turbo on my 9th gen I'll eat the 10th gen alive
David P. You forgot one. 8th gen>10th gen too
@David P. oh yeah? How about this:
6th gen owners be like "6th gen > 7th all day." 7th gen owners be like "7th gen hatchback > Acura RSX all day." S2000 owners be like "s2000 > Acura RSX all day." RSX owners be like "RSX > 8th gen all day."
lol naw you got the s2000 owners all wrong bro. s2000 owners be like "ap1 > ap2"
David P. Happens with evo's and sti's. I mean every time a car changes so much you'll always get some who like the old and some that like the new unless it's a 2011 SER spec v that is the biggest POS ever sold as a 4 door sports car.
Test drove one the other day:
Build quality very good for the price.
Drove very smoothly.
Acceleration is good but not stunning.
Roof is low, especially with the moon-roof. The driver sits low. The entire effect is like looking out of a "squashed" car.
No spare tire.
Manual seat controls for driver.
Touch screen for entertainment system was very responsive, but difficult to use without looking directly at it.
Horizontal trunk space is excellent, even with the seats up.
For the price , a very nice car.
How much is it
Car is great, you never test drove one dickhead
This guys enthusiasm is contagious......🤦♂️
I was literally thinking the same thing
NY 7 fucking honda lol far can
I've owned a lot of Hondas. The 8th, 9th, and now the 10th gen si. The chassis alone feels much tighter and willing in the turns. And everyone complaining about power, Honda heads always find a way to get more. Give the car a chance. New tech doesn't mean it's a bad Si.
SPOONfedJDM yeah but you can only push a 1.5 so far...it lacks a high performance ceiling.
Meng Lor yeah, but that power ceiling is even lower in an NA 2.0 (excluding any supercharger bolt on kits)
SPOONfedJDM if u want real performance, buy something more expensive. Si is what it is, it's no S2000 on track but a fun A to B car.
There are some 500 whp 1.6 sohc out there. This si just needs time and r&d. This is a great fun daily driver. And I've owned even an ap2 s2000. Every time a new si comes out the previous gen owners always say new ones trash last gen is better. So when the 11th gen si comes out this car will be appreciated lol. And new Type R is great but with dealer mark up it's not worth it. 60k for a civic? Nah, that's used gtr money.
@@SPOONfedJDM if you pay 60k for a new type R you've been played!
i own a 2015 civic si and i have driven the new 2017 civic si, the 2017 is definitely faster stock for stock. Its a great daily driver because you get all the torque down low compared to our 9th gens.
RiseAgainstDefeat you gonna upgrade to a 2017?
KTown407 those mustangs cost 40k lol you ought to be comparing to a modded Civic type R
@KTown407 World
First off the 17 and 18 SI is rated at 192 torque, not 180.
Second, can you get a Mustang GT or Camaro V8 for $24,000???
No you cant!!
Does the GT or Camaro have limited slip diff??
No it doesnt.
Does the GT or Camaro have adjustable dampners?
No it doesnt.
Does the GT or Camaro get 40mpg??
No it doesnt.
You're comparing apples and oranges.
The SI is the BEST car in its price range with the BEST balance of performance, handling AND mpg!!
@@motorcitymanman7711 they def have LSD
@KTown407 World
In your dreams.
This review is very detailed and perfect for Honda enthusiasts, My kind of review.
Jose J, we really appreciate your kind words! People like you are why we love what we do. Thanks again!
Jose J that’s how I feel. I’m about to buy my own and just wanted to know exactly what I’m getting into. Reviewers all go over the same main things but this guy actually goes in depth with a lot of the features. Makes me feel confident that I’m getting what I believe I’m getting.
+Phong Do I'm glad we were able to help with other details regarding the car. We really tried to go as in depth as possible. Thanks again for checking out our video!
Best video review yet. I’ve watched close to all of them. Picking my 2018 si up in two days. Since Honda talked about the 2019 si and really nothing much is being changed. So excited thanks for the review!!
I've always owned "higher end" cars like BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus etc. Never thought I would purchase a civic but I was impressed with the looks of the new ones. Drove an Si and liked it so much I bought one. Still surprised to see a Honda in my driveway instead of a BMW lol. Can't beat the 40mpg average I'm getting, legendary Honda build quality and fun factor when driving. After a month of ownership I'm thoroughly impressed with my first Honda!
What luxury cars have you owned?
Repairs will be much cheaper now for you!
I still love my high revving 8th gen.
Lmao when the 9th gens came out everybody was hating on em, talking about "I'm sticking with my 8th gen maaan. Now the 10th gens are out... lol now it's "maaaan I'm sticking with my 9th gen it's so much faster" lol you rere's a stock 9th gen has 174 whp. New 10th gens have 205 whp. Hondata released the flashpro... simple reflash adds 27whp. That's puts you at 232whp. Imagine after bolt ons and pro tune.... also I owned a 9th gen SI and now own a 10th gen SI and love em both. Stop bitching and crying over the civic and just enjoy...
Joshua Everage LMAO so true
Joshua Everage It's really just the potential. It's as simple as a smaller engine displacement generally means less power potential compared to a larger one (1.5L vs 2.4L).
Joshua Everage actually the engines turbo doesnt allow anymore power with bolt ons. hondata maxed out the turbo....with full bolt ons people are seeing maybe 4 WHP over 230.....the turbo is maxed out...it actually is the same engie amd same turbo...just slightly different internals for longevity. your better offgetting the sport and getting a tune.
Chris Huber vitviper made 265whp tho.
Go do some more research brah.
BUT DOES IT HAVE HDMI IN?!?!
This is a great review! Bought my Si about 3 weeks ago, just took it through Ortega hwy, I cannot complain. It's very efficient and fun. Lightweight, nimble, and like you mentioned the car the car is probably faster than you! Thanks again for the detailed review. For some it's all about the horsepower, drive the car and people will be shocked at what it can do.
+Brian Towers Thanks for checking out the video! Glad you're enjoying you si!
Yea man totally agree I actually never even considered a honda civic si as a car for me, but with this current inflation it was really the sportiest car I could get w a manual trans for that price and lets just say I’m not disappointed at all. Surprised even at how fun of a driving experience it is. I’m also glad it isn’t high hp I already got too many tickets atm and by the time those are cleared off my record I’ll have the new 400z🤑🤑
honda should make a hatchback version of si......more space is important for an old guy family man who wants to feel young LOL
EvenimateE, thanks for checking out our videos! We agree, a Hatch Si would be really nice! I think Honda wanted to keep the hatchback platform for the Type R. Thanks again!
PRO Car Studio As long as it comes in a coupe I'm happy
+ceejay1992 It available in both a sedan and coupe! :)
EvendimataE for an old guy I'm pretty sure u have enough money for the type r hehe
i dont need high performance....i just want to got fast sometimes....but not so fast....the price difference between the regular and the si is not much that is why i feel it worth it
Owned every single gen of the si and now
Own the exact same
Car. By far the best....love it it’s aimed for mature drivers. I am 30 so it suits me perfectly. And the 4 door makes it very practical
I’ve grown out of this segment but the Si is a tempting proposition especially given its performance value.
Best, most thorough review yet on this car. With 20K on a '17 SI
-still good with my choice. The only work on it so far other than oil change was a readjustment recently of the left front brake assembly to eliminate a noise. Apparently one part was a tiny bit out of spec and rubbed on left corners- but brakes still worked fine. Right Honda fixed it easily, no worries.
Even without summer tires handling and grip are first rate.
I will definitely upgrade once the stock all seasons wear out.
Doing my best, but the suckers won't die! Averaging 31.7 mpg combined, more like 40's on anything but stop and go.
Have driven some rwd and awd performance cars, this holds its own, but you do need the correct fwd technique to approach its limits. You will have a ball wringing it out.
I test drove a WRX and a Focus RS - two great cars- and still bought this as my daily driver. Enough said.
Not sure what happened to my post. Meant to say had a noise when turning left recently, and it was just a small brake part out of alignment and easily fixed. Otherwise no issues.
man I just spent the last month going to my closest Honda dealer test driving everything from standard Civics to the Ridgeline. ALL of them were freaking phenomenal!! These new Civics are the nicest highest quality ergonomically well designed as well as fit and finish ever. The Ridgeline was stupid nice but to big. As much as I loved the turbo 4 door hatchback Civic to death I wound up buying a 2017 CRV EX L. I am blown away. I have seen $80,000 cars and trucks that did not have the ingot like fit and finish of these latest gen Hondas.
Does this guy fingers bend? Homie looking like a Ken doll 90% of the video😂😂
The video is about the 10 Gen si, not homie's Ken doll fingers. I gather you did not learn anything from Ken since you were admiring his fingers.
Excellent review, very detailed. Thanks.
Wow a review with them including the sound system! Thank you so much I care a lot about my music, so the fact that you mentioned that is awesome :)
+Aldo ortiz We tried to go as in depth as possible. Thanks for watching!
great video guys, thanks!
Well made video, got to drive one of these at the dealership. I was skeptical at first since there's no V-tec, but I was pleasantly surprised, the ride was fun and very sporty!
+MasterBungalow Glad to hear you enjoyed the drive! It really is a good car. Thanks for checking out the video as well! :)
"IM sTiCKinG wITh mY 9Th GeN"
Great and detailed review!
Test drove one of these. It is awesome. Better than the Toyota 86 in terms of overall practicality and technology.
Yeah. The 86 is a personal favorite because of it's ancestors, but it's way over priced for what it is. Even the FRS. It's almost 10 years old and it's not "affordable" as they claim.
I traded my 9th in for the 10th. Money vs money for modifications is way cheaper for the new Si and faster
Doug S
I have 9 gen fb6, do you recommend changing it for a 10 gen si ??
I agree with this. This car his not getting the praise it needs. I had a 9thgen SI sedan red with 218WHP and traded in for a 10th gen SI red and this car pulls harder than the 9th gen (ONCE TURBO HITS). When turbo his not there is GAY (This can be change by tuning of course). But let me tell you this car is awesome I was at first kind of meh becuase of the 1.5 litter motor but look at the numbers this car is making we already have a 12.9 second 10thgen SI. Remember Honda has 1.5 and 1.6 way older motors with a LOOOOOT of HP on them so.
I really like the 10thgen really do, performance, technology etc.
Danny Lugo oh absolutely it’s a completely different machine. Listen I was dead set against it until I went to go get the 2018 2.0t. And I chose the Si over that accord and that accord is a fucking monster!!! The engine is so technical with everything they did. I just think everything looks so perfect. Other sporty cars he’s not mentioning Is the Scion brz I have worked on more frs than anything in this class and even right off the truck we have had to make adjustments to doors, hoods, hatches. I personally had to remount 10 brz front bumpers cause of how off they were. A normal person wouldn’t even notice how off the mines were on them but I would pick it out everytime. And then we started going over them the second they got off the truck and we start sending them back to the dock where they come in off the boats on the east coast. One thing with my 2018 Si is I’m not a big fan of the grills on the rear bumper. Big open black pockets lol.
Doug S dude and also the chrome on the windows WTF man lol
Hey bro, I been looking around for an answer, how is the clutch of the 10th? I been hearing it wears out around 20k miles. Is it true? How is yours? I plan on getting mines in Aug but wanna know more about the clutch
My dad owns a Honda Civic hatch 97 i love those things ❤️❤️❤️
Honda knows how to make cars (:
Real slow cars
@@anthonychavez4554 Why are you even here?
2500 miles on my si, love it so far, imo 10th gen are the best looking stock civics ever built, though a little too big for me still, but I told myself this was a "grown up" car when I bought it, and yeah the fake vents on the back are hokey, but these are the only Honda seats I have ever been comfortable in. The handling is so no drama it's almost boring, which has kept me working harder to get more and more out of it, I don't think I'll need more power for a while because I always seem to run out of road anyway. Only things I want to change are shifter bushings(cachunk cachunk shifts drive me batty), and maybe clutch line, clutch engages like .5" off of the firewall after a long throw. And my only complaints are that the steering wheel is so high, the window sills are high too so I can't rest my arm, and the cupholder placement in the center console sucks if you have more than 1 other person in the car. As fun as a 7000+ rpm screamer would be 40mpg tips the balance for me! $0.02
ayoo dawg I noticed those cachunk cachunk shifts too. Fucking annoying tbh, especially when I’m doing some more chill driving I swear that sound rings throughout the car. When I’m whipping it a little bit harder like 4k+ rpm shifts I don’t really notice it
Is changing the shifter bushings really the proper fix? I just don’t have the most knowledge on manual transmissions as it’s my first manual car. I do wanna do something to fix those clanks every time you shift between gears
Personally I purchased a lightly used GTI Autobahn with Performance Pack after test driving both. Performance wise they are both solid, well grounded, handle like go karts, and have more than enough power. However, at the same price the GTI was exponentially more refined and made daily driving far more pleasant as I did need my car for my 50 mile commute. Plus, I just love hatchbacks 😝
PS: I was coming from a 2000 Mazda Protege 1.6 (the classic grandma hand me down) so my idea of "enough power" is skewed compared to some of you who have spent more time in performance cars
James Steele wait until you start modifying. I bought my mk6 GTI and I'm doing a turbo swap now. With the mk7 you have much more potential.
david duong dude I know... I've already got my whole wish list made out and it's simply a matter of paying the car off then it's down the rabbit hole 😝
Wonderful review.
10th gen rules. Because handling. Torque. Braking.
Adaptive dampers. Limited slip. Weight savings. Better seats.
VTEC? No, but what you get instead makes this the drivers choice.
I've owned two FG2 Si Coupe's 06, 07. I honestly feel the nimbleness and fun character is somewhat lost these days with the refinement and complexity cars have gotten these days.
Why would you pay that price tag for a 1.5l? You're better on just boosting an older si with the K series. Better engine than the 1.5l.
Idk to me the 9th gen coupe si is the sexiest one out of all because the 12-13 coupe is for more sleek streamlined look and the 14-15 coupe si makes it look like its gotta wide body and just looks better over all
Nice in depth review!
I just traded my 2010 Camaro 2SS in on one of these (I have a 2hr daily commute). I was pleasantly surprised with the test drive - pretty comfortable for a economy car. A blast to drive for sure with a lot of tech for the money. I got a green coupe SI. I rented a 2016 Ford Focus the week before and the Civic is so much nicer to drive (more room and comfort!)
+E5m Glad to hear you're enjoying the car. :)
I don't know why anyone would complain about 205 horsepower. I drove my brothers 2013 VW GTI with about 205hp and in sport mode that thing goes so fast its ridiculous!
Great video
this car feels like it has more than just 205 hp. i test drove one and it felt more like 220/230
turshin People put it on the dyno stock and you’re right, 210-215ish it makes to the wheels and about 225-230 wtq
Its a lot lighter the the 2.4 ones
This is the most slept on Si! I never see these around , may not have the most power in it but forsure sounds good for a stock car ! Nice Honda & this is coming from a GTi owner , I actually wasn’t a fan of these at first but they forsure have grown on me over the years ! These are dope & boosted what more can you want from a Si?!
And the engine bays get more and more cramped and compact 😫 bye bye 10mm socket lmao
Skip the fuel diluting motor oil 1.5t. They have to reflate the ecu and TCU and in some cases the AC needs replacing, according to Consjmer Reports.
I bought a new Blue 2018 a month ago.
Grear combination of power and mpg.....only complaint is the weak clutch, if you tune this car for more hp and torque the clutch WILL slip and you have to replace it.
I would k swap it, screw the 1.5
Low end torque is nice zipping around town. It’s better for mature driving and you don’t sound like a dickhead revving out all day in a b series or k series. It’s very comfortable and handles like a dream.
Then buy a type r
it's not called a "g-meter" everyone calls that sensor that over many different platforms. it's called an accelerometer
12:58 When you're not afraid to say that you're happy when you see a Japanese short stick 😂
Rather than rant...I think its best we come together and make a voice to demand Honda to bring back 2.0 VTEC for the Civic Si.
chao I wouldn't count on Honda upsizing the engine again. But I wouldn't put it past them to incorporate vtec into the 1.5L for a mid-cycle refresh.
Alexjoel McKenzie SI or Type R? and why?
chao adding vtec to the si. and because of federal emissions regulations.
chao they will when ppl start complaining they will do a remodeling n add the vtec they mess it up big time type r should be k24 turbo vtec n let the si be k20 vtec turbo how fun its that. but not supposly there looking at reliable
You boneheads dont get it.....need more Power??
Buy a Damn Type R!!!!!!
I LOVE my 18 SI, great combo of performance, handling AND 40mpg!!!
NO other car at this price range of 24K has limited slip dif, and adjustable dampers.
Idk if I'm losing it but after looking at the 4 door over and over again the roundness the added to the back from the side from just makes it look like a 4 door coupe really odd but I still like it lol
The k20 and k24 SI is better. Test drove the 2017 SI is sluggish. Keep your K series or go Type R
Correct it doesn't deserve the Si badge is not sport injected just an r18with turbo
owned an 8th gen, own a 9th gen currently, maybe one day i'll own the latest. you either love or hate the 2012 model year, i personally think they look good lowered. i can tell you my 8th gen was much funner to drive at high rpm's and WOT. i could feel the vtec crossover. i could chirp the tires in 2 & 3rd but the car lacked in torque. throw a passenger in the car, or on a hot humid day it felt like i was dragging a boat anchor. my 9th gen is a different story. its a torque monster in comparison. its a very smooth power band, the only downside is- its a very linear power curve that gets kinda boring to drive. the interior has improved for sure, the suede on my 8th gen was horrendous to keep clean. i'm not gonna be quick to trade in my 9th on a 10th civic though, for me, my car is half way paid off... has full bolt ons, is lowered, is a blast to drive- N/A means theres less shit to go wrong. don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking the 10th gen, but it doesn't do enough for me right now to want to get rid of my current ride.
Soooooo.... from what i can conclude, this is just an ext with extra boost. Not much of a difference
Pretty much. Just with different seats & wheels
The only reason carmakers are detuning engines every year was because of very strict emissions regulations (I'm looking at you Caifornia)
1.5 is probably for the mpg
I've got my 9th gen. I love it and I drove the new and it feels like a cushy very cushy soccer mom comfort feel. Like I wanna feel the road every rock. Like my 9th gen you have feel everything in the car this being more in tune. The new 10th gen doesn't give me that feel it feels like a Honda odyssey with a major weight reduction
U can do honda data and increase 100 go with no issues
Great informations very details. Thank you for the video.
+sam kong Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for checking it out!
spare tire is not really much load if you are only daily driving...if you plan to track, just leave it home......they took it out to add sportyness appeal
Great car! Excellent driving vehicle.
I would be happy to pay more if they put in the 2.0t
if hondata can make a 207whp on 91 oct. just imagine this returned on e85. for 23k msrp this is the best si for the buck.
Setting performance aside for a minute... aesthetically , the front end of the 10th gens destroy everything before it. Way more aggressive, gorgeous.
Honda took a 1.5 and maxed it out about 60-70% compared to a 9th gen k24 2.4L which after tuning, I feel the k24 is safer with adding mor hp and torque. A small displacement causes each of those cylinders a lot of stress when ppl start tuning for 300hp+ vs a k24. Honda spent a lot of Engineering into balancing power and longevity for the new si which is good but kinda a bummer. But I love all SI’s ❤️
Great review, I recently sold my 8th gen si And purchased the 10th gen Si. At first I regretted it, but as time goes by I'm really starting to love my new Civic. I'm mainly looking for suspension info? I wouldn't say Coilovers are needed cause Honda's stock is probably gonna be better than any aftermarket. But, definitely gonna need more low hands down.
+Fallen4sc Glad to hear you've grown to love your si! At the moment, there are no lowering springs available as of yet, but if a set is released, we'll make sure to add them to the site.
Sounds good! Thanks, really enjoyed the video. Keep up the great work.
Still has the nice hdmi port in the back
They working on the USB-C for the 11th gen
How is this car really as a daily driver? I'm coming off an '04 TSX that had the A-Spec suspension installed and it was a blast to drive, but I also need any car I own to function well as an every day car, because I'm a one-car guy. The TSX functioned well in both capacities, as well as having the best manual gearbox I've ever used. Oddly enough, the current Civics are about the same size as that car.
This car is a little off-putting visually from a couple of angles, but overall it looks good and I enjoyed my test drive very much, but it's not until you get the car home and live with it for a while that it's foibles become apparent. I'm just a little concerned that it will be too stiff for everyday use, not that the TSX was plush by any stretch of the imagination. Any opinions would be appreciated.
one of the sharpest sport slash family 4 door cars in along time..
The only thing i like about the 10th gen si is the exterior design of the coupe.
I have a 97 acura 3.0 CL and I really like the idea of this car, I feel it hits a lot of positives that I would look for in a car, any one have thoughts for me?
A donut in the trunk isn't too much to ask for. It's not about saving weight. It's about $$$. If a blowout occurs, let the customer waste time & pay for roadside assistance.
Nice car but I’m happy with my 06 si currently at 95,000 miles 👍
9th gen owner like the 10th better and would love to own one but still paying for the 9th...Guess I'll wait for the 11th.
I have the 10th gen Si and S2000 AP2. This Si feels refined but definitely not an ideal track car, the suspension is way too soft even in sport mode. It's a good canyon carver for spirited driving tho. I get decent MPG at 32 combined. I like the car overall. Per Car and Driver and Motortrend, the 10th gen Si isn't the fastest stock Si.
how soon till this one destroys the turbo?
We're going to have a follow-up video that analyzes what exactly happened to the turbo on our EXT. In short, the outside temperatures were just too extreme and the car was pushed too hard. If you're crazy like us and want to track a 10th Gen in 100+ degree weather, then an oil temperature gauge or oil cooler will come to the rescue and prevent something like this from happening. The engine and transmission and everything else held up perfectly. FYI, the replacement turbo cost us about $750 and 4 hours of labor (we did the work).
So now you guys have me thinking. My 2017 Coupe puts out 174 HP with the CVT Automatic. 30 extra HP represents a 17% increase. I like my leather; I like my Lane Keep Assistance, etc. and I like the CVT. So...how much trouble is it to swap the turbo so that I can approach the Si's HP with my 10th Gen coupe? Simple bolt on or more involved?
Douglas Lippert your CVT, and mine also will blow to pieces long before the turbo does.... Kick myself in the ass for getting a cvt.
Douglas Lippert the Hondata tuner will give you more power than the stock SI.
fakegibsonssuck I cannot stand CVT so I traded in for a Si
Love my 2012 si sedan best lookin body to me small truck lip aggressive front makes it a sleeper wen scions n mini coopers pull up thinkin it’s a ex n I pull on them they be like got damn that’s not a ex it’s a fukin si😭
Nope you guys got it all wrong it’s about 8th-10th gen🤷♂️
Great informative video guys.. Question, is the SI driveable with 87 octane? Do you loose abit of power and thats it? Gas is pretty pricy here in Ontario Canada..
It is driveable, but I wouldn't recommend it because you'll get a significant reduction in power!
think i'll stick with my 9th.. i could sink 2k in modifications and make the same power.. and still have I-vtec! The 2017's dont look bad though.
All the track talk and adding power. What about oil temps, ans oil pan baffling?
I had the 7th gen the 8th gen and the 9th gen still have the ep3 (7th gen) and 2015 si gave the 8th gen to my niece for her 16th bday and i choose the 9th gen over all 3 i loved that high rev from the 8th gen and love the 7th gen cornering but all and all love the 9th gen all around looks plus it's fatser than all three now i choose the 9th over the 10th cause if i put the same size turbo on my 9th gen I'll eat the 10th gen alive in my opinion atleast lol
Trevon Adams but how far can you mod a 1.5 compared to a 2.4
and i dont do fast and the furious im not out here blocking off streets and running around the city i usually start a run with someone on a straight away so cornering capabilities isn't really going to help me win that run
1.5 L making 200 hp to the wheel better to go with the k series engine 2.4 L. Will make more
Great review!! But...
You look like you're in shape! Why wear those big ass pants? Lol other than that, great detailed review! I wish they had the touring headlights. Great car though ;)
The question is if that hdmi exhaust worth it?
Should have been a K20 Turbocharged!
*after reading the description in late 2019* no but i'm wondering why youtube is now recommending me this video
So, anyone not happy with the pedal layout? The brake is too far from the accelerator. It takes too much effort to do heel-toe. Thoughts?
Type fukn R is the only way to go!
no vtec :(
Ricky Vang check out my 9th civic lol a lot of vtec
The car has dual VTC, which is a technology normally incorporated into i-Vtec (this can be found in the intake side of the 9th gens as well). However, the turbo adds quite a bit more power than Vtec would.
I just recently bought the 2017 Civic SI anyone have any suggestions for mods. I live in Massachutts so the laws here when it comes to emmissions are pretty strict and are only getting stricter. What is a good aftermarket ecu that would work for this car.
Anirudh Upadhyayula
Buying flashpro and a Cold air intake would bring in some more power for sure.
What is the maximum power you can see this car making? Is it possible to make between 260whp and 320whp with a tune along with bolt ons?
Anirudh Upadhyayula
Keep in mind that it is a 1.5 liter engine . I can definitely see it making above 260whp with bolt ons and a flashpro
The new CARB Exempt FlashPro is a 50 state emissions legal ECU tuner that gives fantastic gains. Simply plug in and go! Here is more info on it: www.procivic.com/p/m/civic/hondata-flashpro.html
I did research that the carb version comes with 2 configurations. Are there more avaliable for download?
I love Honda Si's but if a Focus ST can do a 2.0 why can't Honda? Still disappointing.
And how much horsepower gain with flashpro, 25+? How and why?
+Greg The 2.0 was reserved for the Type R instead. How much more power you make with the flashpro will depend on how it's tuned. However, we've seen upwards of 250tq with a good tune
8th gen si all the way.
If they added a turbo to the 8th gen or 9th gen si would be better it took them a long time to finally add a turbo they should have done this a while ago jesus
It's a sadan with a hatchback bumper
Isn’t the 2019 engine the same as this one ??
I'm staying with my 2012 9th gen and it has a spare tire not that fix a flat crap.
Chancho Chancho 2012 had that shitty styling and cheap interior plastic. that's why Honda did an emergency refresh starting for 2013 lmao
So practically a b18c1 is right there with it NA
Any information on after market suspension being compatible with the "sport mode"?
+jfm041789 Nothing as of yet. Hard to say if one will ever be released like this. Factory adjustable suspension is a tricky animal.
Keep what u said,,,$24000+,,get the base wrx...for the long run.
The Si get better future and sounds system that come with the car cant beat that...lol
Hi, What is the typical age range for the si? I am interested in this car however, I feel I'm too old for it 31 btw lol. I am also considering the Elantra sport which is more refined.
Pitt412, first off you are not that old. The age range in the performance Civic community ranges from about 18 to about early 40s. You would actually be surprised how many people in thier 50s and even 60s tune their civics. They are our customers but not are as involved in the community. I guess the Si appeals to all ages who enjoy fun. Thanks again for checking out our channel and watching the video!
Fit motor with a turbo?
saw this pic on ur ig.going to look at the Si So this Friday. what's YOUR thoughts bro
The car is very well balanced and a ton of fun to drive. Overall, it's a great deal and the best Si yet (from the factory) in our opinion.