I'm asian and my parents were adopted by Jewish parents for many years, and the word was carried on into our family to my children. Abraham was chosen by God, but the Talmud and the rabbis speak that it was Abraham that made the choice of wanting God when God was calling. God is calling each and everyone of us everyday, the most important thing is to choose him over anything else. I really enjoyed your POV, please do more of this and enlarge the conversation 🎉🎉😊👍
I've never felt so represented, as someone with a Jewish mum and who's parents converted to Hara Krishna. This whole channel has been so therapeutic for my identity. Thank you so much xxxxxxx
Re: marrying converts, it's only Koheins who can't marry converts (or divorcees for that matter). I don't think it's true that converts are considered mamzers. In Judaism converts are one of the categories of people considered leaders. I find gerim and their journeys inspiring, and leading me to become more observant myself, so I can see why the Torah says that.
One of the problems with conversion is where one lives. In Israel there is no need for community. You are Jewish as part of Jewish culture. But in the rest of the world, Judaism is a religion. And therefore we need the community. Even a Jew who was born in Israel as a Jew, as soon as he leaves Israel, he will owe community support. That is why the recommendation is always to immigrate to Israel.
I’m not a convert but I find that speaking Hebrew/Yiddish helps with the initial prejudice. As for observing I have never been singled out to my knowledge and I have always been the one who talks the most with the Rabbi and asks the most questions.
We are now in a major reality shift from modernity to postmodernity. But there are also many premoderns out there in the Orthodox stream that are naive fundamentalists. So we live in a frightening confusing time. But there are now many Jewish postmodern Jewish studies scholars. Two amazing books are Carnal Israel by Daniel Boyarin , and The Slayers of Moses by Susan Handelman. Good luck with your search for meaning.
Exactly it’s meant to be difficult to become Jewish. and to make sure this is the life you want to live. And what that girl did to pretend for a year and a half just to get the title of being Jewish and then drop it all is extremely disrespectful. And why we should be more careful when screening applicants.
@Meorah Ha-Me'ir What would you say for someone that can't really be fully observant and wants to be, but until they figure things out they would have to get rides on Shabbat/Shabbos to the synagogue? Talking experiences in the reform community in the U.S, I am not jewish but because i do somethings my parents say i am. anyway i was going to say that i experienced in the Reform movement Rabbi's (most have been female that i've talked to) and idk it just, i get this combative feeling when i talk about wanting to do tefillin. it's so weird and always get told people are going to ask why, and it gonna give them a orthodox feeling. orthodox comunities are far for me so i would have to get a ride to synagogue and then back. it feels weird to me, there is one in seattle that says they have a diversity of observant members i haven't went went there yet because of feeling nervous about it.
heart breaking hearing Amanda like that she had a hang up on being jewish, she dug deeper than her parents and she came out broken she definitely have a story. and she and davi take offense to the meaning of ger, being stranger. i am not that religious , i mostly take the social aspect of judaism. but i think being recognized as a stranger is beautiful. because you keep who you are while joining a new family. it would be easier to change someone into yourself and then accept him. pretty much assimilating. it takes tolerance to accept someone who isn't like you. i think you should own being "stranger". like davi ended with, its the only way being a bridge. also in jewish ethos king david came from a ger. meora remarked on being jewisg first. and its sound like her "korean garment" is inconsequential to her "soul". but i think this betrays core jewish philosophy. god is not a spirit nor material. this two categories exist within god. and they cant not be completely differentiated. when you relate it to another jewish mystic teaching, that before the soul descent it chooses it circumstances, body, identity etc. now if the "soul" have agency to choose, and if conscious choice reveals the inherit attribute of the choice maker. meora "jewish soul" is korean. you cant separate the two. even if you insist on using lanugh of importance, like the heart is more important then... but take the lungs away and you cant exist, take off a hand and you incomplete. "jewish soul" and korean should exist in harmony like body parts. they all required the make the whole of a korean jew. and all of that goes back to why the author of the pentuch chose the stick to the term ger, even after inanition and joining the jewish people. as being stranger is valuable and shouldn't be canceled for the group as much as the individual shouldn't cancel themselves for the divine. and what it means to be asian jew? its on them to discover. maybe it will take a life time and maybe it will be a multi generational project. its sad too that she thinks she wont see her birth parents in afterlife. i do appreciate that, scripture never mention afterlife and even in later sages sources admitting they dont know what is the after life and have low regard for them. it create the sense urgency and that the life you live now are precious . and anything you want to complete should be completed now. if possible she should strive to meet her birth parents.
glad i found this channel, as i am of mixed asian heritage. i'm half chinese and half filipina and in the process of converting to judaism. my husband is of jewish religion but was not religious. i've lived a jewish life but never bother to convert when i was at a younger age. now older and am interested of converting to orthodox. i guess amanda said it took her 1.5 yrs before conversion. i wonder if you can do it study online with a rabbi and what website is there for that. thanks
I have family members that are Modern Orthodox who accept the LGBTQ+ community so find a modern orthodox which also allows women to wear pants, Also being Jewish, it's in your soul, it's in your heart, it's how you feel within your soul. As someone that's half a Jew, my fiance and my dad who are Jewish would say "You're an honorary." so you're a Jew because it's in your soul. There are also kosher Asian food spots, at least here in New York. Also, Jews weren't considered white, although yes you can pass, many Jews still aren't considered white. As someone that is half a Jew and faced antisemitism, be proud of who you are. My best friend is Mexican and Jewish, I have another friend who is adopted from Columbia and he's Jewish. As for me, I have Ashkenazi, and Sephardic in my dad's linage, and my grandparents are Holocaust survivors.
You'll find that political views vary quite a bit in different Orthodox Jewish communities, especially in Modern Orthodox circles. If you feel like the community you converted with is too right wing for you, just hunt around for a more liberal Orthodox community.
As a Jewish Israeli who grew up Orthodox I know the Rabbinic establishment suffers from structural errors that make life hard for people like you 3. But you have to unerstand - Orthodox Judaism is the only denomination that kept to our ancient tradition and guarded it properly. Why don't you guys try to fix what's wrong or needs improvment within the framework of Orthodoxy? Now that's an idea.
To be discriminated by members is fine but the problem is that not only the synagogue members discriminate you but the rabbi discriminates as well, the best way stay away from it and go into a room by yourself instead use that same effort to find god through prayer. And if you really need a tribe then there are other religions that will support you, for example Mormon are good religion or the Islam is also very beautiful religion, many Asian are converting into Islam. You can’t grow spiritually where you are limited to perform the rituals or Hollidays, in Judaism you really limited if you not consider a Jew. 😢😢
Jews behave differently when they live in israel than out of israel. For example: out of israelost of them go to the synagogues, look for cosher food, rverything to gill the wormth of the community. In israel the have the guaremty of the jews around everywere. If you are on truable outside everyone will come to chake how can the help you.
It is interesting this conversation they think it is all about them I , I ,I about their decisions and they forget about The fact that it is ultimately HASHEM who directs their life ..it is hard for them because when you really become Jewish you need to understand that it’s not you who controls you destiny but HASHEM .. leaving ego behind.
Thanks again for hosting such a meaningful conversation, I had so much fun talking to Davi and Amanda and hearing their POVs! 😊✌️
@RajkoMuzika There are but most of the community are white Ashkenazim.
I'm converting and really enjoyed this conversation. Thank you.
This conversation is the main reason why this channel is so important. It was so interesting, I learned so much!
I'm asian and my parents were adopted by Jewish parents for many years, and the word was carried on into our family to my children. Abraham was chosen by God, but the Talmud and the rabbis speak that it was Abraham that made the choice of wanting God when God was calling. God is calling each and everyone of us everyday, the most important thing is to choose him over anything else.
I really enjoyed your POV, please do more of this and enlarge the conversation 🎉🎉😊👍
I've never felt so represented, as someone with a Jewish mum and who's parents converted to Hara Krishna. This whole channel has been so therapeutic for my identity. Thank you so much xxxxxxx
Re: marrying converts, it's only Koheins who can't marry converts (or divorcees for that matter). I don't think it's true that converts are considered mamzers. In Judaism converts are one of the categories of people considered leaders. I find gerim and their journeys inspiring, and leading me to become more observant myself, so I can see why the Torah says that.
I wonder if Amanda ever tried Chabad or Open Orthodox. They are more open, non-judgemental spaces.
Modern Orthodox too.
These stories have been very helpful. I greatly appreciate the work being done here.
One of the problems with conversion is where one lives. In Israel there is no need for community. You are Jewish as part of Jewish culture. But in the rest of the world, Judaism is a religion. And therefore we need the community. Even a Jew who was born in Israel as a Jew, as soon as he leaves Israel, he will owe community support. That is why the recommendation is always to immigrate to Israel.
Amazing discussion! All three participants are wonderful in sharing their perspectives and experiences.
So inspirational! So helpful ☺️
רספקט לערוץ המיוחד הזה! מאחל לכם הרבה הצלחה!!!🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
I’m not a convert but I find that speaking Hebrew/Yiddish helps with the initial prejudice. As for observing I have never been singled out to my knowledge and I have always been the one who talks the most with the Rabbi and asks the most questions.
We are now in a major reality shift from modernity to postmodernity. But there are also many premoderns out there in the Orthodox stream that are naive fundamentalists. So we live in a frightening confusing time. But there are now many Jewish postmodern Jewish studies scholars. Two amazing books are Carnal Israel by Daniel Boyarin , and The Slayers of Moses by Susan Handelman. Good luck with your search for meaning.
This was an excellent discussion and also applies to all Jews of Color. Thank you!
Exactly it’s meant to be difficult to become Jewish. and to make sure this is the life you want to live. And what that girl did to pretend for a year and a half just to get the title of being Jewish and then drop it all is extremely disrespectful. And why we should be more careful when screening applicants.
Beautiful thank you for sharing!!!
We stand with Israel 🇮🇳♥️🇮🇱
אוהבים!!! 🇮🇱❤️🇮🇳
@Meorah Ha-Me'ir
What would you say for someone that can't really be fully observant and wants to be, but until they figure things out they would have to get rides on Shabbat/Shabbos to the synagogue?
Talking experiences in the reform community in the U.S, I am not jewish but because i do somethings my parents say i am. anyway i was going to say that i experienced in the Reform movement Rabbi's (most have been female that i've talked to) and idk it just, i get this combative feeling when i talk about wanting to do tefillin. it's so weird and always get told people are going to ask why, and it gonna give them a orthodox feeling. orthodox comunities are far for me so i would have to get a ride to synagogue and then back. it feels weird to me, there is one in seattle that says they have a diversity of observant members i haven't went went there yet because of feeling nervous about it.
heart breaking hearing Amanda like that
she had a hang up on being jewish, she dug deeper than her parents and she came out broken
she definitely have a story.
and she and davi take offense to the meaning of ger, being stranger.
i am not that religious , i mostly take the social aspect of judaism. but i think being recognized as a stranger is beautiful.
because you keep who you are while joining a new family. it would be easier to change someone into yourself and then accept him. pretty much assimilating.
it takes tolerance to accept someone who isn't like you.
i think you should own being "stranger". like davi ended with, its the only way being a bridge.
also in jewish ethos king david came from a ger.
meora remarked on being jewisg first. and its sound like her "korean garment" is inconsequential to her "soul".
but i think this betrays core jewish philosophy.
god is not a spirit nor material. this two categories exist within god. and they cant not be completely differentiated.
when you relate it to another jewish mystic teaching, that before the soul descent it chooses it circumstances, body, identity etc.
now if the "soul" have agency to choose, and if conscious choice reveals the inherit attribute of the choice maker.
meora "jewish soul" is korean. you cant separate the two.
even if you insist on using lanugh of importance, like the heart is more important then...
but take the lungs away and you cant exist, take off a hand and you incomplete.
"jewish soul" and korean should exist in harmony like body parts. they all required the make the whole of a korean jew.
and all of that goes back to why the author of the pentuch chose the stick to the term ger, even after inanition and joining
the jewish people. as being stranger is valuable and shouldn't be canceled for the group as much as the individual shouldn't cancel themselves for the divine.
and what it means to be asian jew? its on them to discover. maybe it will take a life time and maybe it will be a multi generational project.
its sad too that she thinks she wont see her birth parents in afterlife.
i do appreciate that, scripture never mention afterlife and even in later sages sources admitting they dont know what is the after life
and have low regard for them. it create the sense urgency and that the life you live now are precious . and anything you want to complete should be completed now.
if possible she should strive to meet her birth parents.
Among. Not between.
this is very educational for me
glad i found this channel, as i am of mixed asian heritage. i'm half chinese and half filipina and in the process of converting to judaism. my husband is of jewish religion but was not religious. i've lived a jewish life but never bother to convert when i was at a younger age. now older and am interested of converting to orthodox. i guess amanda said it took her 1.5 yrs before conversion. i wonder if you can do it study online with a rabbi and what website is there for that. thanks
I have family members that are Modern Orthodox who accept the LGBTQ+ community so find a modern orthodox which also allows women to wear pants, Also being Jewish, it's in your soul, it's in your heart, it's how you feel within your soul. As someone that's half a Jew, my fiance and my dad who are Jewish would say "You're an honorary." so you're a Jew because it's in your soul. There are also kosher Asian food spots, at least here in New York. Also, Jews weren't considered white, although yes you can pass, many Jews still aren't considered white. As someone that is half a Jew and faced antisemitism, be proud of who you are. My best friend is Mexican and Jewish, I have another friend who is adopted from Columbia and he's Jewish. As for me, I have Ashkenazi, and Sephardic in my dad's linage, and my grandparents are Holocaust survivors.
You'll find that political views vary quite a bit in different Orthodox Jewish communities, especially in Modern Orthodox circles. If you feel like the community you converted with is too right wing for you, just hunt around for a more liberal Orthodox community.
As a Jewish Israeli who grew up Orthodox I know the Rabbinic establishment suffers from structural errors that make life hard for people like you 3. But you have to unerstand - Orthodox Judaism is the only denomination that kept to our ancient tradition and guarded it properly. Why don't you guys try to fix what's wrong or needs improvment within the framework of Orthodoxy? Now that's an idea.
To be discriminated by members is fine but the problem is that not only the synagogue members discriminate you but the rabbi discriminates as well, the best way stay away from it and go into a room by yourself instead use that same effort to find god through prayer. And if you really need a tribe then there are other religions that will support you, for example Mormon are good religion or the Islam is also very beautiful religion, many Asian are converting into Islam. You can’t grow spiritually where you are limited to perform the rituals or Hollidays, in Judaism you really limited if you not consider a Jew. 😢😢
Jews behave differently when they live in israel than out of israel. For example: out of israelost of them go to the synagogues, look for cosher food, rverything to gill the wormth of the community. In israel the have the guaremty of the jews around everywere. If you are on truable outside everyone will come to chake how can the help you.
음식은 중국음식들이 푸짐하고 만코 가격도 비교적 저렴하고 맛나지 쩝쩝쩝😋😋😋
It is interesting this conversation they think it is all about them I , I ,I about their decisions and they forget about The fact that it is ultimately HASHEM who directs their life ..it is hard for them because when you really become Jewish you need to understand that it’s not you who controls you destiny but HASHEM .. leaving ego behind.
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