Thanks for watching our film, and for your comments -- our primary goal with the film was to shine a spotlight on these issues, to spark dialogue and encourage changes in the way we think about river and fish conservation and fishery management. The common ground we all seem to share is a love of rivers and an interest in seeing wild fish return in greater abundance. Patagonia has been working to protect wild rivers and wild fish for over 40 years. We were founded by an avid fly fisherman - and we’re proud of all our connections to the fish world, which range from our fly fishing and salmon product lines, to the over $20 million in grants we’ve given to local groups working on these issues in communities around the world. To that end, whatever your point of view, we hope you visit Patagonia Action Works, to learn more about and support groups working to protect wild rivers and wild fish - www.patagonia.com/actionworks/about Further, this is the 3rd film we’ve made about these issues. First was Damnation, which highlights the destructive effect of obsolete dams on healthy river ecosystems and habitat; and then, Blue Heart of Europe, which shares the shocking story of a tsunami of dam development in the Balkans region of Eastern Europe, and calls for a stop to the construction of 3,000 new hydropower dams and diversions. We couldn’t agree more that habitat destruction, dam building, mismanaged harvest, and pollution of our waterways are also incredibly important issues - check out these films to get a sense for some of our advocacy across the issues. Watch Blue Heart here: ua-cam.com/video/OhmHByZ0Xd8/v-deo.html Watch DamNation here: www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00QH8UZUY/ref=atv_dl_rdr If you have questions about our position - please visit www.patagonia.com/artifishal.html and review our "Get the Facts" section and visit our Provisions Sourcing page for more information on our Salmon products: www.patagoniaprovisions.com/pages/salmon-conservation Finally, if you have questions about the science on this issue, we recommend these links, housed on the Native Fish Society and Wild Fish Conservancy web pages: nativefishsociety.org/science/hatcheries wildfishconservancy.org/wild-steelhead/scientific-evidence-on-adverse-effects-of-steelhead-hatcheries wildfishconservancy.org/what-we-do/advocacy/steelhead-hatchery-reform/the-effects-of-hatchery-production-on-wild-salmon-and-trout wildfishconservancy.org/resources/science-library/HatcheryImpactonWildSalmonidsBakke.pdf
Not even a mention of what commercial fishing is doing to the fish numbers. Way to go Patagonia. Great way to make a film like you give a dam . There are those of us that see through the lies a BS your spreading. Maybe you should do a film on how commercial fishing is depleting the oceans of fish.
@@joshuavanderschaaf5145 commercial fishing of salmon is one of the must sustainable resources on the planet. You need to get your fact straight before you make any argument.
U fuckes should be ashamed educating the ppl with completely false information and meanwhile boosting sales revenue on Patagonia wild salmon... Fucking bull shit
The non industry funded science provided is sound and pictures don’t lie. But they do need to do cover damage done by commercial fishing and be more transparent about their own agenda and interests.
As a salmon fishery biologist for more than 35 years in the Pacific Northwest I have to agree with most of the information provided in Artifishal, however, Patagonia missed the mark when they didn't call for moratoriums on harvest along with hatcheries. Wild stocks cannot survive our current technological driven harvest rates and practices. The hatcheries exist to support harvest rates and practices. If you eliminate hatcheries you have to reduce or end harvest. As an interesting side note, the sponsor, Patagonia, started selling food a few years ago, including "wild" sockeye salmon. Patagonia charges $37.33/lb for wild sockeye salmon or around $373 per fish. My local Albertsons grocery store sells Alaska sockeye for $12.00/lb. I wonder what Patagonia's motivation is?
Unfortunately all conservation groups, activists, governments & spokes people are failing to mention the human population has grown beyond its natural environment - 700 percent increase in 150 years as well as an industrial opulent (western) mentality. Much of our problems and our solution comes from our numbers.
Wild salmon should be expensive - if you are not local and cannot fish yourself, they should be regarded as a luxury item & really if you cannot afford it don’t by it. We are eating better than any emperors, rulers, kings and queens of history. But yes, if Patagonia was so concerned with wild salmon stocks, don’t sell it????!
Thank you for bringing up the important topic of better managing harvest - we agree that in many fisheries, wild stocks can’t possibly keep up with current harvest rates and practices. In a list of rules of thumb around buying and eating salmon located here, www.patagonia.com/artifishal.html , we share this advice: “Don’t buy Pacific salmon from open-ocean, mixed-stock fisheries. A majority of these fish are often of hatchery origin, and more importantly, open-ocean harvest cannot discriminate between abundant and endangered stocks of fish.” We do believe that there are some sustainable fisheries out there, such as Bristol Bay sockeye salmon and reef-net-caught pink salmon from Lummi Island, Washington. And we are proud of the work we’re doing to source wild sockeye and pink salmon from truly sustainable sources. Our motivation, with all of our work, is simply this: we want to help save wild fish and wild rivers, and part of that is shifting the paradigm around how fish are harvested. We believe that, as a business, making it work on the ground, we can approach this effort in a concrete, solutions-oriented fashion. Check out the stories behind our salmon products on our Patagonia provisions sourcing page, www.patagoniaprovisions.com/pages/artifishal
I like that they say some fisheries. When all are affected as 1 not individually. There are now rivers that think its positive to get 48 fish to return....48 fish? That's good? We are doomed if we close all the hatcheries! Hatchery wild co exist!
28:30 The wisest comment of all the documentary - humbling to listen how simple it should be, letting natural restoration moving forward - no need for technological sophistication. Kudos to Autumn.
25:26 “Life diversifies in order to survive and Humans do the opposite, we simplify in order to make things easier for ourselves… imposing simplification on a world that has taken millions of years to so wonderfully diversify is a violent act on life itself.” Spot on! Shifted my paradigm. Thank you!
She'll sure be shut down in some Way time and time again, unable to stand up. The ones in rule would like that, were apparently to many on their earth.....
Thank you Patagonia for using your platform to share and produce life changing information with a purpose bigger than ourselves, you gained a new customer today.
As a boy I grew up in the finger lakes in New York with all their tributaries , I am a Proponent of and For Nature,, Mans Intervention and attempts to Divert Natures Primordial Rhythms has always been Detrimental, " Nature is the Source and the Only Course of Mothers Earths Mechanisms, to Play God ," is to Defile the Natural Order of things. Great Film ! I am a Die Hard 61 year old Fly Fisherman , and I cant remember the last time I caught a (Truly Wild ) Trout or Salmon .God Bless , Keep Opening Eyes.
Well thank God I watched this film because I was about to take a job working at a US Fish & Wildlife national fish hatchery in Wyoming. And now I can say that NO, I will not contribute to this major mistake that is devolving and threatening wild fishes. I used to be an avid supporter of fish farming- I spent months researching and writing papers about the economic benefits of fish farming- because I thought it was reducing pressure on wild fish stocks. But this film has flipped my understand on its head!!! Thank you @Patagonia for such a beautiful and thorough exposé of a pretty big misunderstanding, yet another example of humans trying to engineer our way out of the inevitable consequence of living beyond our means.
What an eye opener, thanks for bringing The Light. I didn't have idea of this doings, I heard about fish farms and how this type of fish is not good, therefore I was making sure I was buying wild caught not knowing that our wild fish have been contaminated by these hatcheries...Our entire Planet is Greaving...May God Help us...In the book of Revelation it says that GOD is going to destroy those that are destroying The Planet.
The wrong thing is messing with the world... Building dams... The wrong "right thing" is the fishery. Why do it artificially when Nature did it perfectly already?
Awesome documentary. When I was a kid, there was salmon all the way up to Rio Linda Creek , on the outskirts of Sacramento, that were so big, they had to be 20 lbs. By the time I was in highschool, most of the fish were gone. Just a few little trout. Now there's none. All the streams, creeks, and rivers had fish until dams came along. Dams were only created to starve out Indigenous People. They never needed to block up whole rivers. Especially not for power. The sand, gravel and wildlife can no longer reach the oceans to spawn or create and maintain beaches. We are losing up to 9 Meters of beach a year around the world to erosion because of dams.
@@loumoon7660 Same story with me. Graduated 2018 and no salmon in the creek. Not even trout.. in 2008-2012 salmon were running small creeks. No dams were put into place in my case.
I Lived in Washington and Oregon both for a number of years, and I have to say this documentary brought tears to my eyes, to see what we as humans have done to this planet. It was an excellent video thank you for posting!!
I guess the fish & wildlife part of our state governments fear without hatcheries they might get their budgets cut or get shut down altogether? Today, all government agencies have been infiltrated and controlled by the wrong folk$. Most of these wonderful ecologists have recently been indoctrinated so perfectly by our Marxist educational system that they don't really know all they should about the real history of America. I love them all for what they do for our world but they have been programmed with a limited scope of reality. Don't shut down all the farmers or you will stave to death.
Wild Steelhead declines on the Skykomish are largely due to the fact that the Snohomish estuary has been diked and developed to the point that 85% of historical wetland is now gone. This has huge impacts on Chinook and Steelhead that spend up to a year in the estuary. I don't disagree that hatchery fish add to the complications but the hatchery alone is not responsible for the declines. Development is.
Tyler Perry Agreed. My friends and I used to say “the answer is always both” when we were doing our undergrads in Ecology, ecosystems are too complex to blame issues on one specific thing or another! Hopefully we can redirect money towards proper habitat management in the future so hatcheries can be phased out and we can give wild fish a fighting chance
Thanks for noting that there are other human activities that negatively impact wild fish - we have spent decades fighting dams and development along rivers, check out our film Damnation for a taste of our advocacy on this issue. And we’ve given over $20 million in grants to over 3,000 different groups working on these issues on a local level. We’re concerned about hydropower dams, harvest, hatcheries and habitat - or, as the film notes, the “4 H’s.” With Artifishal, we did want to focus in on hatcheries and open-water net pen fish farming, as they simply haven’t received as much of the spotlight - and, we are deeply concerned about the ongoing rhetoric that these practices are solutions to our problems, particularly when you look at the science. Check out this link for a review of some of the scientific papers that backed up our concerns as we made the film: nativefishsociety.org/science/hatcheries
I have watched this entire video and am grateful for its production. I have admired the clean river systems shown on TV from Australia of your beautiful country. We in Australia also have small rivers that are not polluted in our mountains we call the high country which I got to fish in my youth about 1970 onwards. The people of China need to look at what your people are doing to protect your future. The Chinese rivers have turned into the worlds largest sewerage systems because of the thousands of dams, the high powered politicians greed to make money from their rivers have in fact turned into disasters of filth. Their rivers can no longer flush the human excrement and other pollutants that stagnate the water. Keep up your good work from Australia.
you need to do some research there buddy china leads the world in green technology and environmentally friendly development. the whole blame China thing is a little played out. lots of gold mining and metal smelting in Australia I'm sure there must be all kinds of toxic effluent being dumped in to rivers In your country that great barrier reef is in pretty bad shape these days I heard.
Exactly we have, we love wild places wild thing and creatures but we like to fish and eat the occasional one we don’t leave trash on river banks either .
I want to thank everyone involved with this video. It takes tons of connections to make the discovery of the truth in what happened, then getting so lucky as to getting the video proof at the pens your dive couple people. I felt after you were told to leave that they may take your footage. You are teaching the world how to better manage the environment to get salmon back to being sustainable. have done a great service to not only the native Americans but to all people around the world.
Oh dear, that lovely girl at 29:00 She nailed the meaning to be 'specific in the area'. 😇 Thanks a lot for doing this film. Thanks a lot. I really appreciate. 🥺
It’s too late to say that humans our way of life is normal when nature is down it’s naturally altering it’s beauty not normal everything now is for kilos per pound when buying food and fish 07
Absolutely an essential watch for everyone! We have to let go and let Mother Nature restore and repair herself. It’s so disgusting that we as humans have the most complex brain but we’re so dumb at the same time.
I re-watch this film regularly and it reminds me of why I am such a strong supporter of organizations in this fight, and a frequent customer of Patagonia. This, and other Patagonia films, are expensive to produce. The filming and editing is top notch, whether short or full length. And I find the investment in producing a film and releasing it, for free, throughout social media, is maybe the single most effective way to get the message out to the broader public. This method scales, is free to distribute, available any time and any place, and is shareable. Thank you Patagonia for supporting the documentary film makers and getting this message out. PS - i heard Yvon Chouinard state that he was starting a foundation that can accept donations to continue this good work. How can I contribute?
I live in Western North Carolina, the same thing is happening to streams here. All are stocked from hatcheries. The water is becoming too warm for trout to survive, along with silt and human waste from camping and development. The earth is suffering from man's arrogance. Great documentary, I hope it changes things...
it's the documentary which primary/secondary schools should have to learn and to teach the generations right from wrong on all environmental aspects. As someone said 'u cannot do wrong things right'.BIG LIKE 👍
nunca había visto los filmes de Patagonia... en verdad era justo y necesario un espacio en el que el cine pudiera transmitir con tanta belleza, las acciones necesarias para construir un mundo más justo y sostenible. Gracias!!
Fantastic work team Patagonia I hope more and more people wake up to the truth no matter where they live on the map - We are literally on Wild Salmon life support and even more then that, we may be on humanity life support. We always have been if you think of the term, yet to have become so disconnected with the harmony of life makes me wonder if we ever have been. Yet I hope together we can muster up the fortitude to find the harmony with life and death and come to terms with how tied together we all are with the natural world and submit to the fact, it's simply just not going to happen on our terms.
I worked in fish farming for many years. Trout, Salmon, Catfish and I was saying all this when i was involved in the industry back in the 1990's. The chemicals used, the pollution caused and the affects on the ecosystem. I started to question all this, and then I started to look at their feed. farmed fish need allot of protein which all comes from other fish caught in the sea in huge quantities. Many countries specifically head out to sea to catch fish destined only to be used to be processed in too pellets, to feed fish. Killing fish to feed fish for profit and destroy the environment.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ. Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom. Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
@@ThomasMorleyceramics Ps.14.1 - The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The Holy Bible says only fools say there is no God. Repent from your sins my friend and accept the salvation in Jesus Christ before it's too late.
Imagine how critical is the situation in Chile if it is at least 10 times worse than the reality in Norway! Thanks for sharing it, we're waiting for the public release for months.
This is the most important film I’ve seen in a long while. I hope more people can take this to heart and act upon these ideas. Thank you to everyone involved
59:10-1:00:49 The main point of all the serious docs and in this particular one is in these seconds, only to reminds us that it's not about conspiracies or whatever, but pure reality and simple logic.. Cheers to all of you that trying to uncover "hidden" and obvious facts that everyday we keep ingnoring. Thank you and keep up raising awareness.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ. Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom. Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
NO. What science? I challenge you to find me a scientist who truly believes hatcheries are responsible for the decline of our salmon stocks. Do your own research. Eliminate hatcheries, eliminate the species, it is truly that simple.
@@mrvvrm5951 hatcheries and fish farms are different. You need to understand this simple fact before even beginning to make an argument here. I struggled to find a single sentence in your response that made any sense to a sane person. I’ve come to the conclusion that you are either insane or English is not your first, or even your second, language.
People don't realize how compatible hatchery fish are with wild fish and the environment once you've eliminated bad hatchery practices. There's so many studies that were conducted improperly that drew the conclusion that hatchery fish were inferior on the genetic level and letting them breed with wild fish would reduce wild fish fitness and what we've come to know today is that hatchery management, not hatchery fish genetics lead to poor integration with wild fish and natural spawning.
Checking the QR-Code on the salmon I ate + the label "open water fish farm" brought me here...it's all about raising awareness. Thanks to all the people fighting for a balanced future! Keep going!
I agree . I have been fishing since I was walking good. In Mississippi, we started limiting our deer hunting and started studying what the animals needed (Mississippi State), and had more deer than any state in the nation. Now we have a new problem.... chronic wasting disease. Back to the drawing board:
@@ronniejohnson317 i think that the same or similar to mad cow ? Likely to dense a population allowed that to take hold. I am in Canada and because the population explosion of deer wasting / mad cow is infecting moose resulting in decline of moose .
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ. Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom. Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
Great film. I loved around 28 mins in when the kid was talking. It may have been mostly regurgitated from hearing adults around him but either way that’s the mindset we need all of us to have.
beautiful documentary. when I saw it when it first came out, I was a grade schooler who was passionate about the climate, and read every patagonia story he could get his hands on. rewatching it now for a high school project, remembering how precious salmon really are 🥲
We attended a meeting with a number of groups which also had wild fish groups. One point made that was for sure agreeable on all sides is "Dams are not regulated for healthy fish runs". The idea was to combine groups to go after Army Corps to force them to regulate so we have healthy runs of salmon and Steelhead. Especially the Spring and Summer returns that require cool water till in the fall. We use to fish the South Santiam River every year starting in June. Later summer months the flow would be so low that fish were piled in holes. Plus the temp of the water was too warm. That is all due to poor regulating of dams. I can remember one year they released a huge amount of water from all the dams. Then not enough rain to fill the lakes up again. That summer was really bad for any salmon and Steelhead. Marinas on Detroit Lake had their docks laying on dry ground. A lot of fish had to of died that year because of what was done. Hatchery fish are not what is causing the drop in the wild fish population. A lot of false theories being used and some based on old hatchery practices that are not used anymore. It is time to realize Hatchery and Wild do Coexist.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ. Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom. Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
At the mouth of every of these west coast river systems there are thoussnds of seals that massacare th salmon worse than any humans have ever done, they can wipe out entire runs of salmon un checked , thats majority of the decline of pacific salmon all species
@@marcusblymyer7441 there is a group trying to get a native food harvest started for seals and sealions i think they are called pacific balance society. they are conducting test hunts and analysis of the meat.
It took 30 minutes for someone to say it: "The real problem is too many people." Salmon won't be wild until humans are wild. And it's interesting and significant that it wasn't one of the PhD types who said it. The PhD system is part of what takes the Nature, the wild, out of us. And no one ever said it again. Too ... many ... people. "Life moves pretty fast. And if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." Thanks. Ferris.
Who would you suggest we get rid of? Who should be made unfertile? The issue is not too many people, it's how the people live and what they are doing. So much waste, so many contradictions. If we all get behind a few objectives and stick to them while adapting the tools and processes, more people is better and we don't have to let earth's life (not necessarily the human species) die with it. You have to keep in mind that this rock is set to explode no matter what life or amount of life, if any at all, is calling it home. The main thing making our existence meaningful is keeping life alive.
Fantastic guys 😁👍🇬🇧really really enjoyed this programme 😭and what a shame on the salmon 😫god I hope you guys get all you's whant to protect and live with wild fish for decades to come,,, i love nature and all that comes with it,,, peace on all your salmon, guys😍🇬🇧👍from England ❤️❤️
Amazing video, great job. Unfortunately, large corporations are ruining UK runs of sea trout and salmon, but I believe we are starting to see the damage fish farms and trawlers do to our wild fish. Hopefully, with all the effort people like yourself are putting in to educating people, the future will be bright for our fantastic fish.
Great film guys. Just found this 15/04/2021. The hardest thing for us humans to get is to let nature be, leave her alone - rewild. Nature is not here to do our bidding. I'm a fly fisherman in the UK but it gets harder to justify catching a stocked brown trout because the native browns are now considered too small for 'sport' fishers egos who spend big $ just to catch a famous chalk stream brownie. The famously large English chalk stream brownies (plus sea trout and salmon) evolved and grew large over long periods of time, but of course we fished those guys out. So to keep the fantasy going and to pay for the management costs and justify the fees they started stocking. Some even put in rainbows FFS. They are buying into a nostalgic fantasy/con that ultimately is destroying and changing the native fish and ecology. A then theres the water quality issues, the collapse in native eel numbers, the extinction of our sturgeon and invasive crayfish etc. In the UK it wasn't so much dam building but canalization at the beginning of the industrial revolution that messed up so many rivers. But nostalgically Brits love canals and boating so there's no appetite to break them for river restoration even though they became obsolete 100 years ago. The need to tame nature drives management but there's a growing rewilding movement beginning with projects like several beaver re-introductions that went extinct some 400yrs ago. If Patagonia could come to the UK and Ireland and make a film to shine a light on the messed up situation that would be great.
Very interesting and thought-provoking documentary. I often fish for trout and wonder if these same problems are apparent in those populations, especially in the southeastern United States where ecosystems are not as healthy as those out west.
Healthy ecosystems out west? Development of watersheds and pollution in the Puget Sound region have the salmon runs in a terrible state. Without hatchery fish the wild fish would become extinct from predation in no time.
I would love for everyone that is impacted by this film to do research about the proposed "structure" that is currently in the works in the Chehalis river basin (Washington state). Not enough people know, and it is going to lead to a new dam being built in 2019 in some fo the most beautiful spawning habitat for chinook and steelhead!! Spread the word!
@@ianyoung1436 problem is there isnt a ton of news on the subject. I'll give you an older video and the most current informational website: www.tvw.org/documentaries/high-water-ten-years-later/ chehalisbasinstrategy.com/eis/proposed-project/
Beautifully and perfectly filmed; it makes me sick inside to watch. Imagine if we treated people the same way we treat the animals that share this planet with us. The irony here is that historically, we already have. The way we treat the wild spaces and creatures around us is the same way we start to treat the "least of us". It is unsustainable in every sense and on every level. The fisherman at about the 30 mark isn't wrong; we way overfish the salmon. The habitat destruction only adds to this. Without the fisheries, there wouldn't be salmon on the shelves in the grocery store. - Maybe having less on the shelves is what we need to have more back in the ocean, but that boils it all down to dollars; those profiting off the salmon aren't going to go for this. In the bigger picture, big money makes most of the rules because they have sway. We need to change the way we think. The way we behave. The girl at the 28 mark exemplifies this perfectly. She doesn't have an ulterior motive. It is what it is and money isn't biasing her view. - I get we need to feed people, but causing mass extinctions only leads to one outcome; extinction for us all. Period.
not a tree 🌲huger but you're right leave some wild life for later as a usa 🇺🇸 president said teddy Roosevelt because if the swordfishes are all gone no one can see or eat them the next day or nights 😉. flip side of the problems is mankind is use to modern communities/conveyances like consistency of hydraulic power generation and for one like my car's 🚘and ac housings 🏡with reliable water electric power + fast internet and climate controlled environment 😁 aka the best way to get me onboard with environmental things is survival/morale logically reasoning's and my wallet 😉 not feel good bunny's 🐰. so if the st hellens experiment's showed that non hatchery fish 🎣works better and way cheaper by all means thats the answer not wasting money 💰and people's time, with real life data spreadsheets and real people's experience first hand 🤚 like the IRS does with small business 😉 for a tax oddit evidences
people are being treated this way that's what cloning and the Ai future are all about a cyborg future is humans hatched by computers a fusion of both living in a virtual reality world.
I kept looking at the title of this movie and I could not figure out the spelling of 'Artificial'. Once I clicked on it and read the description it finally made some sense. Very clever play on the word.
TC 24 steelhead too . But aging city ,town sewage systems ,winter road salting leeching in heavy metals ,run off fertilizer pesticides and herbicides,damage populations of fish in great lakes . Many streams in southern great lakes are dredged and denuded of vegetation which provides cover and keep water cooler in summer causing thermal pollution of streams and rivers .This thermal pollution had ruined attempts to re introduce Atlantic salmon to Lake Ontario. The temperature of spawning rivers in August early September is way to high for Atlantic salmon in Lake Ontario
Inspiring, thank you very much! Reducing the consumption of fish significantly (especially that from fish hatcheries and fish farms), by prioritising a diet which is predominantly plant-based, really is important for restoring the balance between People and Nature.
We need a kids video a hour long like “ finding Nemo” that tells the story in a happy way how wild fish 🐠 are happy fish hatchery fish are sad 😔 and dieting and are the zombie fish they really are the the humans are feeding and breading. Make it a happy video where paradise is found when there is no more dams and every fish is wild caught. I know if done right this will make good money but will change the view on how we think. This video I just watched opened my eyes 👀 because I really didn’t know how had the hatchery were for the fish. If you see this comment like it so it go to the top and the video gets made. ❤️ u keep up the good work.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ. Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom. Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
@@LATFA. it s an artificial tank structure to hatch fish and feed them and release them back into the rivers lakes streams .It keep the small fish for being eaten by predators and staff feed them once they reach a certain size they are trucked back to streams rivers and lakes .
LoL Good pun This film will start many conversations. And some will miss certain critical facts and take up chasing down empty rabbit hole. But at least we have a good film and so the necessary conversations begin.
incredible! Your campaign ideas are amazing! You are really protecting our mother nature. How I wish; I could be one like you as conservationist people. You know here in our town, we have also the problem regarding our natural resources had been damage, especially in the river aspects too! Private Electric companies installing damps for their hydro turbine for electricity business and this made to damage our river crabs habitat and their life cycles. Every year, these river crabs are fertilizing their eggs in the coastal areas or the estuary they are inverted nature with your salmon fish where mature salmons go upstream for fertilizing their eggs while our river crabs fertilizing their eggs downstream in the estuary then their young's return back to their territories and undertake heavy river currents and their predators' nearby before reaching its' habitat. Now how these young crabs can be able to climb those treacly high damp structures and their territories were being damaged as well? The river crab season is in the month of November had completely gone at this time. I hope that someday somehow there will be scientists/conservationists like your group who will study the nature of invert characteristics with your salmon fish compared with our river crabs here in the Philippines. Thank you for reading.
What an eye opener,truly exposes the errors of our ways ,and we need to make the wrongs right again and give these wonderful animals a chance to get back to where they were ,before we stuffed up the system.Like it was stated in this film,the fish know what to do ,we just need to let them do it unhindered. Fantastic film, very thought provoking. Good luck to all for fighting for these fish in this river.
This was an amazing watch. Really glad to have learned about this. Are there any updates or places to find updates on the progress of the dam removals and efforts to move away from hatcheries?
I read about a month ago a book titled "Eat like a Fish" by Bren Smith, which was a great book, He goes over all the problems of aquaculture that this documentary also states and explains their effects. Funny enough, he actually meets up with the Founder of Patagonia, Yvon CHouinard, who is madly obsessed with this problem. Fish farming has caused so much problems already, Kelp and 3d underwater farming could solve this ongoing problem, only problem being Kelp is not that widely accepted in society. I also highly recommend the book "Eat like a fish", certainly not a page-turner at some parts, but still very informative.
Patagonia seems to have an agenda here but it is unclear what it is. I think we can all agree logging, farming and damming our rivers has led to a huge loss of habitat and productive spawing areas. Let's also add into the conversation over harvest in the 19th and early 20th century that seriously depleted the runs. These fish have to run a gauntlet down many rivers and in the Columbia in particular mergansers take a heavy heavy toll. We've seen seals and sea lions effectively block off ladders and eat hundreds of salmon and steelhead a day. I've been to Crittenden locks near Seattle and seen over 50 taken in an hour. Every minute a sea lion was coming up with another fish in it's mouth, take a bite or two usually out of the belly and move on to the next fish leaving an almost entire carcass for crab feed. Hatcheries are not the enemy they are they to help us replace what we have destroyed. As a lifelong fisherman I have NEVER seen a single time when closing a hatchery made for better end result. Snider creek has had plenty of press and that was a broodstock program and using local fish that were spawned in optimum conditions for survival and had NO negative effects that I've ever hear about on other wild fish in the area. THis type of propaganda is designed to illicit a negative response so please don't mislead by agenda driven one sided arguments. When you hear one side you never get the whole story. We would be far far better off to limits the foreign processing ships that can catch and process hundreds of tons of our salmon in a day and no runs can survive that kind of damage and presssure. If you do the math one of those boats takes more fish out of the spawning cycle than all of the sporties and tribal fisheries do even if we combine the entire westcoast numbers. One single boat........ you do the math. Hatcheries are here to replace what the dams have done and we have to realize the the dams aren't going away anytime soon. I like having heat and lights at an affordable price and I'm sure you do also. Hydropower gives us that. If we really want to replace and help the wild fish out we need to replace spawning and rearing habitat and get broodstock programs going to help nature out not handcuff her. Thanks for reading, thats my little piece of advice based on 50 years of admiring and chasing these great fish around the world. thx
As a fisherman, I think you have an agenda, unclear what it is... oh wait no it's not. Your agenda is to accept government subsidies in the form of fish that cost your neighbors a premium in terms of environmental tolls and tax dollars. I also take issue with your use of the phrases "our salmon" and "foreign... ships". We do not own this living force of fish, no one owns them entirely, and we certainly don't own them more than any other group. We have been blessed to live where we do in terms of proximity to salmon runs, but we have depleted that resource. No argument there. Regardless of how we got here(destruction of the river via deforestation, mining, etc.), we need to focus on what we can do here and now. Right on the banks of the rivers discussed in this film. Let's not toss our own self caused issues onto the backs of foreign ships. As for your comments on the dams, three of the four dams on the Klamath are up for removal in 2022. I mean no disrespect on your meaningful 50 year career, but I do intend to preserve this beautiful species long enough for a few more generations to see.
@@regansinger9379 If you want to preserve the species then you should support hatchery programs. Look at our chum runs no hatchery support and those runs are almost non existent in less than ten years! The facts and numbers say hatchery programs work. You are correct in "we don't own them more than any other group" to a certain extent. When we borrow fish for establishing hatchery runs we have a vested interest. I do not support huge factory trawlers that take in more fish in a day than any of our north sound rivers see in ten years of returns. I'm confused to your comment about "environmental tolls" and tax dollars?? Sportfishing brings in tens of millions of tax dollars into the state coffers and over a million fishing licenses sold in washington state bring in over 44 million annually since a basic license is 43 dollars. I've seen the state claims they only get 9 million from licenses and I find that math doesn't add up. I don't think hatcheries are the only answer but they certainly are a percentage if that answer. We have to bring the numbers of fish up to what they were, if that means putting a rod down for ten years then fine but to think that stopping the hatcheries is the answer look to the north sound rivers and the fish returns since the wild steelhead coalition forced the state into not releasing fish in those rivers, We see NO returns now.......... none right now the Skagit has no winter fish to speak of , the skykomish/snohomish system is shut down because there are not enough fish returning to have a season. The supposed magical returns ti rivers like the elway and the toutle are due to wandering hatchery fish spawning wild not a miracle. Fish don't come out of nowwhere.
Please Provide an example in oregon or Washington where removing hatchery production has been successful. The nisqually river, puyallup river used to have amazing runs of hatchery steelhead. wild fish conservation groups removed hatchery steelhead production on these rivers. Today wild and hatchery steelhead are extinct in both rivers
You'll be surprised to know that because of the Puyallup tribe, and CCA volunteers, steelhead are making a rebound. It's just not common knowledge. The last several years, volunteers have been trucking carcasses into the upper basin from the state and tribal hatcheries. The nutrient enhancement has helped bring larger numbers of spawning steelhead and salmon that the general public aren't aware of. Just last year, the Puyallup had the largest number of spawning steelhead it's had in many years. No one knows about it because it's closed. The rivers need more fish period. And the rivers need the nutrient enhancement rather than the selling of the carcasses used as pet food.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ. Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom. Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
What happens if fisheries shut down? Are the wild populations large enough to restore the rivers? Or have we diminished them too far for natural restoration?
It depends, but as long as wild fish are still present in the system, there is a lot of hope. One female salmon has thousands of eggs. Check out the Rogue River in southern Oregon for a good example of how wild salmon can return after dams are removed, habitat is restored, and smart regulations are in place. Cheers!
Matthew Drennen to many problems rivers and streams messed up all river die a death of a 1000 cuts dams ,pollution , urbanization ,road salting ,drainage . Deforestation and artificial drainage ,denuding small streams which increased temperatures of water in summer more more more more
I've lived between Tacoma and Seattle all my life (62 years) and was an avid fisherman for most of it. The hatcheries are not the problem. There are currently two issues that deplete the salmon population in our state. First and foremost is the Boldt decision that gives unprecedented rights to native Americans to gill net the rivers and decimate the returning fish population. You can't imagine what "I've seen on the Puyallup River. Thousands of fish left on the banks (from every run) to rot because the 'natives' are only after the roe from the females. If they truly cared for the fish, they'd take some of the tax free millions their casinos make and start up a fish processing plant. It's truly an atrocity to our salmon and steelhead populations. Secondly is the pinniped population. Pinnipeds take one bite out of the fish (the liver). The rest is crab food.I'm appalled at the amount of dis/misinformation in this video. It reads like it's all the white mans fault. It's not. It's the governments fault from top to bottom. We have all the tools to fix this issue, but the government turns a blind eye in order to create more taxes for an issue that they created and continue to perpetuate.Get the nets OUT of the rivers, and kill the pinnipeds! BTW, fish returns vary due to many factors. Some are poor - some are exceptional. Videos like this will make sure our fish will become extinct because people suck.
Kill the seals? That's a solution? Please explain. Killing the natural predator seems like an odd solution for an ecological problem. Reminds me of the whole idea...Didn't we kill the wolves so we could hunt deer?
@@hamisnogood the seals are highly overpopulated they are nonlonger hunted like they were traditionally. there is a push to get a commercial hunt started to get the population in check. pacific balance society I think it's called.
There are PLENTY of rivers that are not dammed that have just as bad returns of Salmon/Steelhead. There are also rivers like the Fraser river where the entire lower portion is diked off, completely ruining the wetlands the juvenile fish used to flourish in. Yet the runs still fluctuate, and on some years are even very large returns of Salmon. To me this points to ocean survival being the main factor at play here. There are some studies out of the University of British Columbia that indicate that from 30-50%+ of juvenile salmon are eaten by seals alone, not to mention all the other animals that predate on juvenile salmon. Then there are the massive fluctuation on ocean conditions from year to year. At sea the salmons food sources fluctuate, the temperatures fluctuate, diseases, pollution, overfishing, etc. There are plenty of rivers that are not dammed and have a natural estuary yet the runs are struggling. We keep polluting the ocean and expect things to change but they just keep getting worse despite our efforts on land. The entire planet needs to change its ways of destroying the earth for short term gain if things are ever to change, and some argue that it is already too late for that. The average person can only do so much when mega corporations and the rich who control the world are making these large scale ecological decisions to profit off the ocean while polluting and destroying it.
because very few people live there. there is rapidly growing pressure there for extractive mining and other activities that are a real serious threat to your wild fish.
@@juhaszsc , you are clueless about Alaska issues! We are one fifth the size of the entire USA, only approx 1% of our land mass is developed, our state has the most federal land locked up in national parks, etc... in the count! You have no clue about my Alaska! You ignorant punk!!!🤪🤣
How does that work? You get a hatchery fish return to the system and spawns in the stream. Has offsprings and continues for the cycle several more times. Is that 3rd, 4th, 5th Or 6th generation fish not a wild fish?
I live within a hour drive of about 15 hatcheries and I can tell you from experience that none of these fisheries are maintaining sustainable fish populations. Every year its a complete toss up whether rivers are shut down or open and if you look at the numbers its a steady to decline. In 20 years theyre all going to be gone.
@clifton gaither Hatcheries are working constantly with new innovations to reduce the environment impact, Salmon escaping from hatcheries has been reuced a lot the last ten to twenty years, constructing hatcheries that elliminates the risk for escaping isnt that far away. The other big problem for the wid salmon is the salmon lice, but that problem is aswell under better controll then 10-20 years ago. The fortunate thing is that both those problems are the biggest problem for hatcheries aswell. Obviously you dont want your to escape or die of sickness because of lice. And because of that the hatching industry is constantly working on solution to these problems. Considering how "new" the fishing industry is (aprox.50 years) its reasonable to think these problem will be "fixed" soon.
Thanks for watching our film, and for your comments -- our primary goal with the film was to shine a spotlight on these issues, to spark dialogue and encourage changes in the way we think about river and fish conservation and fishery management. The common ground we all seem to share is a love of rivers and an interest in seeing wild fish return in greater abundance. Patagonia has been working to protect wild rivers and wild fish for over 40 years. We were founded by an avid fly fisherman - and we’re proud of all our connections to the fish world, which range from our fly fishing and salmon product lines, to the over $20 million in grants we’ve given to local groups working on these issues in communities around the world.
To that end, whatever your point of view, we hope you visit Patagonia Action Works, to learn more about and support groups working to protect wild rivers and wild fish - www.patagonia.com/actionworks/about
Further, this is the 3rd film we’ve made about these issues. First was Damnation, which highlights the destructive effect of obsolete dams on healthy river ecosystems and habitat; and then, Blue Heart of Europe, which shares the shocking story of a tsunami of dam development in the Balkans region of Eastern Europe, and calls for a stop to the construction of 3,000 new hydropower dams and diversions. We couldn’t agree more that habitat destruction, dam building, mismanaged harvest, and pollution of our waterways are also incredibly important issues - check out these films to get a sense for some of our advocacy across the issues.
Watch Blue Heart here: ua-cam.com/video/OhmHByZ0Xd8/v-deo.html
Watch DamNation here: www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B00QH8UZUY/ref=atv_dl_rdr
If you have questions about our position - please visit www.patagonia.com/artifishal.html and review our "Get the Facts" section and visit our Provisions Sourcing page for more information on our Salmon products: www.patagoniaprovisions.com/pages/salmon-conservation
Finally, if you have questions about the science on this issue, we recommend these links, housed on the Native Fish Society and Wild Fish Conservancy web pages:
nativefishsociety.org/science/hatcheries
wildfishconservancy.org/wild-steelhead/scientific-evidence-on-adverse-effects-of-steelhead-hatcheries
wildfishconservancy.org/what-we-do/advocacy/steelhead-hatchery-reform/the-effects-of-hatchery-production-on-wild-salmon-and-trout
wildfishconservancy.org/resources/science-library/HatcheryImpactonWildSalmonidsBakke.pdf
very cool, life is creating & sharing & solving problem, excellent film
Not even a mention of what commercial fishing is doing to the fish numbers. Way to go Patagonia. Great way to make a film like you give a dam . There are those of us that see through the lies a BS your spreading. Maybe you should do a film on how commercial fishing is depleting the oceans of fish.
@@joshuavanderschaaf5145 commercial fishing of salmon is one of the must sustainable resources on the planet. You need to get your fact straight before you make any argument.
U fuckes should be ashamed educating the ppl with completely false information and meanwhile boosting sales revenue on Patagonia wild salmon... Fucking bull shit
The non industry funded science provided is sound and pictures don’t lie. But they do need to do cover damage done by commercial fishing and be more transparent about their own agenda and interests.
I like it how they put no ads in this. Mad respect
Glad to see I'm not the only one UA-cam recommended this too lol
Same here!
Faxxxx
@@ambersykora352 nice
Facts!
As a salmon fishery biologist for more than 35 years in the Pacific Northwest I have to agree with most of the information provided in Artifishal, however, Patagonia missed the mark when they didn't call for moratoriums on harvest along with hatcheries. Wild stocks cannot survive our current technological driven harvest rates and practices. The hatcheries exist to support harvest rates and practices. If you eliminate hatcheries you have to reduce or end harvest.
As an interesting side note, the sponsor, Patagonia, started selling food a few years ago, including "wild" sockeye salmon. Patagonia charges $37.33/lb for wild sockeye salmon or around $373 per fish. My local Albertsons grocery store sells Alaska sockeye for $12.00/lb. I wonder what Patagonia's motivation is?
Eric Hockersmith money money money
Unfortunately all conservation groups, activists, governments & spokes people are failing to mention the human population has grown beyond its natural environment - 700 percent increase in 150 years as well as an industrial opulent (western) mentality. Much of our problems and our solution comes from our numbers.
Wild salmon should be expensive - if you are not local and cannot fish yourself, they should be regarded as a luxury item & really if you cannot afford it don’t by it. We are eating better than any emperors, rulers, kings and queens of history. But yes, if Patagonia was so concerned with wild salmon stocks, don’t sell it????!
Thank you for bringing up the important topic of better managing harvest - we agree that in many fisheries, wild stocks can’t possibly keep up with current harvest rates and practices. In a list of rules of thumb around buying and eating salmon located here, www.patagonia.com/artifishal.html , we share this advice: “Don’t buy Pacific salmon from open-ocean, mixed-stock fisheries. A majority of these fish are often of hatchery origin, and more importantly, open-ocean harvest cannot discriminate between abundant and endangered stocks of fish.” We do believe that there are some sustainable fisheries out there, such as Bristol Bay sockeye salmon and reef-net-caught pink salmon from Lummi Island, Washington. And we are proud of the work we’re doing to source wild sockeye and pink salmon from truly sustainable sources. Our motivation, with all of our work, is simply this: we want to help save wild fish and wild rivers, and part of that is shifting the paradigm around how fish are harvested. We believe that, as a business, making it work on the ground, we can approach this effort in a concrete, solutions-oriented fashion. Check out the stories behind our salmon products on our Patagonia provisions sourcing page, www.patagoniaprovisions.com/pages/artifishal
I like that they say some fisheries. When all are affected as 1 not individually. There are now rivers that think its positive to get 48 fish to return....48 fish? That's good? We are doomed if we close all the hatcheries! Hatchery wild co exist!
28:30 The wisest comment of all the documentary - humbling to listen how simple it should be, letting natural restoration moving forward - no need for technological sophistication. Kudos to Autumn.
25:26 “Life diversifies in order to survive and
Humans do the opposite, we simplify in order to make things easier for ourselves… imposing simplification on a world that has taken millions of years to so wonderfully diversify is a violent act on life itself.” Spot on! Shifted my paradigm. Thank you!
That young girl at 29 mins in .has a bright future. She nailed this hole documentary in in 1 sentence
right!!!! absolutely brilliant!!!!
Yeah man she's so smart
She surprised me so much!
Blew my mind. Definitely a smart kid.
She'll sure be shut down in some Way time and time again, unable to stand up. The ones in rule would like that, were apparently to many on their earth.....
Thank you Patagonia for using your platform to share and produce life changing information with a purpose bigger than ourselves, you gained a new customer today.
As a boy I grew up in the finger lakes in New York with all their tributaries , I am a Proponent of and For Nature,, Mans Intervention and attempts to Divert Natures Primordial Rhythms has always been Detrimental, " Nature is the Source and the Only Course of Mothers Earths Mechanisms, to Play God ," is to Defile the Natural Order of things. Great Film ! I am a Die Hard 61 year old Fly Fisherman , and I cant remember the last time I caught a (Truly Wild ) Trout or Salmon .God Bless , Keep Opening Eyes.
Well thank God I watched this film because I was about to take a job working at a US Fish & Wildlife national fish hatchery in Wyoming. And now I can say that NO, I will not contribute to this major mistake that is devolving and threatening wild fishes. I used to be an avid supporter of fish farming- I spent months researching and writing papers about the economic benefits of fish farming- because I thought it was reducing pressure on wild fish stocks. But this film has flipped my understand on its head!!! Thank you @Patagonia for such a beautiful and thorough exposé of a pretty big misunderstanding, yet another example of humans trying to engineer our way out of the inevitable consequence of living beyond our means.
Thank you for sharing. The best documentary I have seen. A masterpiece for our mother and all of the beautiful creatures she gives life to.
What an eye opener, thanks for bringing The Light. I didn't have idea of this doings, I heard about fish farms and how this type of fish is not good, therefore I was making sure I was buying wild caught not knowing that our wild fish have been contaminated by these hatcheries...Our entire Planet is Greaving...May God Help us...In the book of Revelation it says that GOD is going to destroy those that are destroying The Planet.
There is no right way to do the wrong thing.
One of Yvon's best ever lines!
@Patagonia can we have that line printed on ecological cotton T-Shirts? :)
@@yeti78 You mean the $60 ones?
The wrong thing is messing with the world... Building dams... The wrong "right thing" is the fishery. Why do it artificially when Nature did it perfectly already?
@@superymariowest2403 no the wrong thing is murder.
Awesome documentary. When I was a kid, there was salmon all the way up to Rio Linda Creek , on the outskirts of Sacramento, that were so big, they had to be 20 lbs. By the time I was in highschool, most of the fish were gone. Just a few little trout. Now there's none. All the streams, creeks, and rivers had fish until dams came along. Dams were only created to starve out Indigenous People. They never needed to block up whole rivers. Especially not for power. The sand, gravel and wildlife can no longer reach the oceans to spawn or create and maintain beaches. We are losing up to 9 Meters of beach a year around the world to erosion because of dams.
Can I ask what year you were in high school?
@@loumoon7660 Same story with me. Graduated 2018 and no salmon in the creek. Not even trout.. in 2008-2012 salmon were running small creeks. No dams were put into place in my case.
I Lived in Washington and Oregon both for a number of years, and I have to say this documentary brought tears to my eyes, to see what we as humans have done to this planet. It was an excellent video thank you for posting!!
I guess the fish & wildlife part of our state governments fear without hatcheries they might get their budgets cut or get shut down altogether?
Today, all government agencies have been infiltrated and controlled by the wrong folk$.
Most of these wonderful ecologists have recently been indoctrinated so perfectly by our Marxist educational system that they don't really know all they should about the real history of America. I love them all for what they do for our world but they have been programmed with a limited scope of reality. Don't shut down all the farmers or you will stave to death.
Wild Steelhead declines on the Skykomish are largely due to the fact that the Snohomish estuary has been diked and developed to the point that 85% of historical wetland is now gone. This has huge impacts on Chinook and Steelhead that spend up to a year in the estuary. I don't disagree that hatchery fish add to the complications but the hatchery alone is not responsible for the declines. Development is.
Tyler Perry Agreed. My friends and I used to say “the answer is always both” when we were doing our undergrads in Ecology, ecosystems are too complex to blame issues on one specific thing or another! Hopefully we can redirect money towards proper habitat management in the future so hatcheries can be phased out and we can give wild fish a fighting chance
Go visit hatchery and wild coexist cause the group is trying to get hatchery fish to populate rivers again
Kris Barrow already did
MonJcFarland5 👏🏻
Thanks for noting that there are other human activities that negatively impact wild fish - we have spent decades fighting dams and development along rivers, check out our film Damnation for a taste of our advocacy on this issue. And we’ve given over $20 million in grants to over 3,000 different groups working on these issues on a local level. We’re concerned about hydropower dams, harvest, hatcheries and habitat - or, as the film notes, the “4 H’s.” With Artifishal, we did want to focus in on hatcheries and open-water net pen fish farming, as they simply haven’t received as much of the spotlight - and, we are deeply concerned about the ongoing rhetoric that these practices are solutions to our problems, particularly when you look at the science. Check out this link for a review of some of the scientific papers that backed up our concerns as we made the film: nativefishsociety.org/science/hatcheries
I have watched this entire video and am grateful for its production. I have admired the clean river systems shown on TV from Australia of your beautiful country. We in Australia also have small rivers that are not polluted in our mountains we call the high country which I got to fish in my youth about 1970 onwards.
The people of China need to look at what your people are doing to protect your future. The Chinese rivers have turned into the worlds largest sewerage systems because of the thousands of dams, the high powered politicians greed to make money from their rivers have in fact turned into disasters of filth. Their rivers can no longer flush the human excrement and other pollutants that stagnate the water.
Keep up your good work from Australia.
you need to do some research there buddy china leads the world in green technology and environmentally friendly development. the whole blame China thing is a little played out. lots of gold mining and metal smelting in Australia I'm sure there must be all kinds of toxic effluent being dumped in to rivers In your country that great barrier reef is in pretty bad shape these days I heard.
The people sport fishing have been fighting for habitat long before it was a trend
Yes we have
Sure have buddy!
Joshua Vanderschaaf 👍👍yes we have in Ontario Canada
Exactly we have, we love wild places wild thing and creatures but we like to fish and eat the occasional one we don’t leave trash on river banks either .
Hunters and most fishermen are the real conservationists.
I want to thank everyone involved with this video. It takes tons of connections to make the discovery of the truth in what happened, then getting so lucky as to getting the video proof at the pens your dive couple people. I felt after you were told to leave that they may take your footage. You are teaching the world how to better manage the environment to get salmon back to being sustainable. have done a great service to not only the native Americans but to all people around the world.
Oh dear, that lovely girl at 29:00 She nailed the meaning to be 'specific in the area'. 😇 Thanks a lot for doing this film. Thanks a lot. I really appreciate. 🥺
Simple lesson learned. Mother nature knows best. Dont meddle with Her ways!!!
Fish farming is not good for the World. Good luck stopping it.
These are the people we should pay more attention to instead of focusing and spending time to chase after celebrities or their gossips.
It’s too late to say that humans our way of life is normal when nature is down it’s naturally altering it’s beauty not normal
everything now is for kilos per pound when buying food and fish 07
But, but ,but did you see what lady Gaga wore to the gym last week?
Quality Video. No Ads. So satisfying
really enjoyed watching the kids articulate the need for a hands off approach to nature
Very nice film. Too bad many people won't see it
Absolutely an essential watch for everyone! We have to let go and let Mother Nature restore and repair herself. It’s so disgusting that we as humans have the most complex brain but we’re so dumb at the same time.
Same applies to us here in newfoundland and labrador they come and go like everything else...let um do theyre cycle
I re-watch this film regularly and it reminds me of why I am such a strong supporter of organizations in this fight, and a frequent customer of Patagonia. This, and other Patagonia films, are expensive to produce. The filming and editing is top notch, whether short or full length. And I find the investment in producing a film and releasing it, for free, throughout social media, is maybe the single most effective way to get the message out to the broader public. This method scales, is free to distribute, available any time and any place, and is shareable. Thank you Patagonia for supporting the documentary film makers and getting this message out.
PS - i heard Yvon Chouinard state that he was starting a foundation that can accept donations to continue this good work. How can I contribute?
I live in Western North Carolina, the same thing is happening to streams here. All are stocked from hatcheries. The water is becoming too warm for trout to survive, along with silt and human waste from camping and development. The earth is suffering from man's arrogance. Great documentary, I hope it changes things...
it's the documentary which primary/secondary schools should have to learn and to teach the generations right from wrong on all environmental aspects. As someone said 'u cannot do wrong things right'.BIG LIKE 👍
nunca había visto los filmes de Patagonia... en verdad era justo y necesario un espacio en el que el cine pudiera transmitir con tanta belleza, las acciones necesarias para construir un mundo más justo y sostenible. Gracias!!
Fantastic work team Patagonia I hope more and more people wake up to the truth no matter where they live on the map - We are literally on Wild Salmon life support and even more then that, we may be on humanity life support. We always have been if you think of the term, yet to have become so disconnected with the harmony of life makes me wonder if we ever have been. Yet I hope together we can muster up the fortitude to find the harmony with life and death and come to terms with how tied together we all are with the natural world and submit to the fact, it's simply just not going to happen on our terms.
I worked in fish farming for many years. Trout, Salmon, Catfish and I was saying all this when i was involved in the industry back in the 1990's. The chemicals used, the pollution caused and the affects on the ecosystem. I started to question all this, and then I started to look at their feed. farmed fish need allot of protein which all comes from other fish caught in the sea in huge quantities. Many countries specifically head out to sea to catch fish destined only to be used to be processed in too pellets, to feed fish. Killing fish to feed fish for profit and destroy the environment.
Its alot of industries that are ass backwards...lol
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ.
Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom.
Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
@@chiadinwarie9444 There is no such thing as god. It might be a good idea, not to use this platform to push your religion. thank you.
@@ThomasMorleyceramics Ps.14.1 - The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
The Holy Bible says only fools say there is no God. Repent from your sins my friend and accept the salvation in Jesus Christ before it's too late.
@@chiadinwarie9444 Piss off moron
Imagine how critical is the situation in Chile if it is at least 10 times worse than the reality in Norway! Thanks for sharing it, we're waiting for the public release for months.
hatchery-wild-coexist.com/
Check out Estado Salmonero, our short film about Chilean hatcheries.
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Thank you for this important film.
Absolutely excellent documentary for anyone even remotely interested in the long-term survival of wild salmon
This is the most important film I’ve seen in a long while. I hope more people can take this to heart and act upon these ideas. Thank you to everyone involved
59:10-1:00:49 The main point of all the serious docs and in this particular one is in these seconds, only to reminds us that it's not about conspiracies or whatever, but pure reality and simple logic.. Cheers to all of you that trying to uncover "hidden" and obvious facts that everyday we keep ingnoring. Thank you and keep up raising awareness.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ.
Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom.
Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
@@chiadinwarie9444 chill bruh.. i dont want eternal life, i like the life on earth right now...
@@RealPapanick Check out: dclm.org/sermons/
Had to watch this video for class. Glad I got to see it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Shout out from South Africa Elgin grabouw. Awesome vids. Keep to your beliefs cause it's what makes you true to yourself . Awesome thanks.
That young girl talking while throwing the frozen hatchery fish is incredible. Good to see young smart children.
what a movie, congratulations, art, science, and education interconected
NO. What science? I challenge you to find me a scientist who truly believes hatcheries are responsible for the decline of our salmon stocks. Do your own research. Eliminate hatcheries, eliminate the species, it is truly that simple.
@@mrvvrm5951 hatcheries and fish farms are different. You need to understand this simple fact before even beginning to make an argument here. I struggled to find a single sentence in your response that made any sense to a sane person. I’ve come to the conclusion that you are either insane or English is not your first, or even your second, language.
People don't realize how compatible hatchery fish are with wild fish and the environment once you've eliminated bad hatchery practices. There's so many studies that were conducted improperly that drew the conclusion that hatchery fish were inferior on the genetic level and letting them breed with wild fish would reduce wild fish fitness and what we've come to know today is that hatchery management, not hatchery fish genetics lead to poor integration with wild fish and natural spawning.
Genetics does play a part but that is cured by management reform.
This was a really good film. This film open my eyes
Checking the QR-Code on the salmon I ate + the label "open water fish farm" brought me here...it's all about raising awareness. Thanks to all the people fighting for a balanced future! Keep going!
Best film ive ever seen, by far! brang a tear to my eye
So very sad breaks my ❤️ keep up the good work never stop GOD BLESS 🇬🇧👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you for this film. And now of what we do in the nature, we are facing the consequences.
I just watched children throwing frozen fish into the water in some vain attempt to replace nutrients lost by dams. People are doomed.
They know they aren't making a dent. It's a gesture meant to expose the youth to ecological ideologies
people are wearing the emperor's new clothes!!!!
Too many idiots too much damage done. Enjoy it while it lasts...
@@datboi8456 tell me about it , when there old enough to type they will probably start a conversation with the word also
@@datboi8456 you guys are really insulting 7th graders on the internet? how much of a lowlife do you have to be...
Thank you for this film you are sharing Ken Balcomb's legacy with the world ♥️♥️♥️🐳
WOW..... I'm a True fisherman... since i was 5 year's old.... Eye opener for sure...
I agree . I have been fishing since I was walking good. In Mississippi, we started limiting our deer hunting and started studying what the animals needed (Mississippi State), and had more deer than any state in the nation. Now we have a new problem.... chronic wasting disease. Back to the drawing board:
@@ronniejohnson317 i think that the same or similar to mad cow ? Likely to dense a population allowed that to take hold. I am in Canada and because the population explosion of deer wasting / mad cow is infecting moose resulting in decline of moose .
That little girl in the blue jacket has more sense than most adults!!
A few mixed facts, lots of emotions. I have no idea what to think after watching this.
SageHide That’s how this made me feel as well.
well stop eating farmed Salmon duh
go vegan
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ.
Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom.
Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
@@chiadinwarie9444 Yeah, just don't eat salmon :)
As someone who truly cares about nature this truly hurts me
Your write there doing this for themselves .over protection
Does it truly?
Great film. I loved around 28 mins in when the kid was talking. It may have been mostly regurgitated from hearing adults around him but either way that’s the mindset we need all of us to have.
beautiful documentary. when I saw it when it first came out, I was a grade schooler who was passionate about the climate, and read every patagonia story he could get his hands on. rewatching it now for a high school project, remembering how precious salmon really are 🥲
We attended a meeting with a number of groups which also had wild fish groups. One point made that was for sure agreeable on all sides is "Dams are not regulated for healthy fish runs". The idea was to combine groups to go after Army Corps to force them to regulate so we have healthy runs of salmon and Steelhead. Especially the Spring and Summer returns that require cool water till in the fall.
We use to fish the South Santiam River every year starting in June. Later summer months the flow would be so low that fish were piled in holes. Plus the temp of the water was too warm. That is all due to poor regulating of dams. I can remember one year they released a huge amount of water from all the dams. Then not enough rain to fill the lakes up again. That summer was really bad for any salmon and Steelhead. Marinas on Detroit Lake had their docks laying on dry ground. A lot of fish had to of died that year because of what was done.
Hatchery fish are not what is causing the drop in the wild fish population. A lot of false theories being used and some based on old hatchery practices that are not used anymore. It is time to realize Hatchery and Wild do Coexist.
Bob Askey well said
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ.
Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom.
Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
At the mouth of every of these west coast river systems there are thoussnds of seals that massacare th salmon worse than any humans have ever done, they can wipe out entire runs of salmon un checked , thats majority of the decline of pacific salmon all species
@@marcusblymyer7441 there is a group trying to get a native food harvest started for seals and sealions i think they are called pacific balance society. they are conducting test hunts and analysis of the meat.
so glad somebody said it.
This documentary made me cry. Nature is so very beautiful & we need to protect and be grateful for it all all cost. 🦋🦝🐟😏
It took 30 minutes for someone to say it: "The real problem is too many people." Salmon won't be wild until humans are wild. And it's interesting and significant that it wasn't one of the PhD types who said it. The PhD system is part of what takes the Nature, the wild, out of us. And no one ever said it again. Too ... many ... people. "Life moves pretty fast. And if you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." Thanks. Ferris.
Who would you suggest we get rid of? Who should be made unfertile? The issue is not too many people, it's how the people live and what they are doing. So much waste, so many contradictions. If we all get behind a few objectives and stick to them while adapting the tools and processes, more people is better and we don't have to let earth's life (not necessarily the human species) die with it. You have to keep in mind that this rock is set to explode no matter what life or amount of life, if any at all, is calling it home. The main thing making our existence meaningful is keeping life alive.
@@par620good point, glad someone said it
Here in BC we catch a lot of American hatchery fish, we love it, send more!
Fantastic guys 😁👍🇬🇧really really enjoyed this programme 😭and what a shame on the salmon 😫god I hope you guys get all you's whant to protect and live with wild fish for decades to come,,, i love nature and all that comes with it,,, peace on all your salmon, guys😍🇬🇧👍from England ❤️❤️
Amazing video, great job. Unfortunately, large corporations are ruining UK runs of sea trout and salmon, but I believe we are starting to see the damage fish farms and trawlers do to our wild fish. Hopefully, with all the effort people like yourself are putting in to educating people, the future will be bright for our fantastic fish.
Great film guys. Just found this 15/04/2021. The hardest thing for us humans to get is to let nature be, leave her alone - rewild. Nature is not here to do our bidding. I'm a fly fisherman in the UK but it gets harder to justify catching a stocked brown trout because the native browns are now considered too small for 'sport' fishers egos who spend big $ just to catch a famous chalk stream brownie. The famously large English chalk stream brownies (plus sea trout and salmon) evolved and grew large over long periods of time, but of course we fished those guys out. So to keep the fantasy going and to pay for the management costs and justify the fees they started stocking. Some even put in rainbows FFS. They are buying into a nostalgic fantasy/con that ultimately is destroying and changing the native fish and ecology. A then theres the water quality issues, the collapse in native eel numbers, the extinction of our sturgeon and invasive crayfish etc. In the UK it wasn't so much dam building but canalization at the beginning of the industrial revolution that messed up so many rivers. But nostalgically Brits love canals and boating so there's no appetite to break them for river restoration even though they became obsolete 100 years ago. The need to tame nature drives management but there's a growing rewilding movement beginning with projects like several beaver re-introductions that went extinct some 400yrs ago. If Patagonia could come to the UK and Ireland and make a film to shine a light on the messed up situation that would be great.
I always loved salmon, past tense, never again. Thank you money lovers.
to love someone or something and to kill and eat someone or something are really different things you know
Very interesting and thought-provoking documentary. I often fish for trout and wonder if these same problems are apparent in those populations, especially in the southeastern United States where ecosystems are not as healthy as those out west.
Healthy ecosystems out west?
Development of watersheds and pollution in the Puget Sound region have the salmon runs in a terrible state. Without hatchery fish the wild fish would become extinct from predation in no time.
Cried many times during this film. A good humbler. Thank you
This video should have Alot more than 3.5 million veiws.
This really opened my eyes to a problem I had no clue about.!
I would love for everyone that is impacted by this film to do research about the proposed "structure" that is currently in the works in the Chehalis river basin (Washington state). Not enough people know, and it is going to lead to a new dam being built in 2019 in some fo the most beautiful spawning habitat for chinook and steelhead!! Spread the word!
I live in the area. Point me in the right direction for more information on this
I’m sick of humans; all we know is how to destroy, pollute and exterminate all things wild. 🤮
@@ianyoung1436 problem is there isnt a ton of news on the subject. I'll give you an older video and the most current informational website:
www.tvw.org/documentaries/high-water-ten-years-later/
chehalisbasinstrategy.com/eis/proposed-project/
Awful
Beautifully and perfectly filmed; it makes me sick inside to watch. Imagine if we treated people the same way we treat the animals that share this planet with us. The irony here is that historically, we already have. The way we treat the wild spaces and creatures around us is the same way we start to treat the "least of us". It is unsustainable in every sense and on every level.
The fisherman at about the 30 mark isn't wrong; we way overfish the salmon. The habitat destruction only adds to this. Without the fisheries, there wouldn't be salmon on the shelves in the grocery store. - Maybe having less on the shelves is what we need to have more back in the ocean, but that boils it all down to dollars; those profiting off the salmon aren't going to go for this. In the bigger picture, big money makes most of the rules because they have sway.
We need to change the way we think. The way we behave. The girl at the 28 mark exemplifies this perfectly. She doesn't have an ulterior motive. It is what it is and money isn't biasing her view. - I get we need to feed people, but causing mass extinctions only leads to one outcome; extinction for us all. Period.
not a tree 🌲huger but you're right leave some wild life for later as a usa 🇺🇸 president said teddy Roosevelt because if the swordfishes are all gone no one can see or eat them the next day or nights 😉. flip side of the problems is mankind is use to modern communities/conveyances like consistency of hydraulic power generation and for one like my car's 🚘and ac housings 🏡with reliable water electric power + fast internet and climate controlled environment 😁 aka the best way to get me onboard with environmental things is survival/morale logically reasoning's and my wallet 😉 not feel good bunny's 🐰.
so if the st hellens experiment's showed that non hatchery fish 🎣works better and way cheaper by all means thats the answer not wasting money 💰and people's time, with real life data spreadsheets and real people's experience first hand 🤚 like the IRS does with small business 😉 for a tax oddit evidences
people are being treated this way that's what cloning and the Ai future are all about a cyborg future is humans hatched by computers a fusion of both living in a virtual reality world.
I kept looking at the title of this movie and I could not figure out the spelling of 'Artificial'. Once I clicked on it and read the description it finally made some sense. Very clever play on the word.
Time to smoke another joint, man. You will understand, shine on you crazy diamond.
Well done , Sir: As fish die , nature die and vanished, people will die and vanish.
im glad that people understand you can't make a man made population, the industrial model has never worked, awesome video
I’m very blessed to live on the Great Lakes with a very healthy salmon fishery and size just keeps increasing!
Those aren’t even natural and damage lake trout stocks and coaster brook trout 🤷♂️.
matanuska high good we don’t want lakers in Lake Michigan
TC 24 steelhead too . But aging city ,town sewage systems ,winter road salting leeching in heavy metals ,run off fertilizer pesticides and herbicides,damage populations of fish in great lakes . Many streams in southern great lakes are dredged and denuded of vegetation which provides cover and keep water cooler in summer causing thermal pollution of streams and rivers .This thermal pollution had ruined attempts to re introduce Atlantic salmon to Lake Ontario. The temperature of spawning rivers in August early September is way to high for Atlantic salmon in Lake Ontario
TC 24 why ? They were likely native to the lake
nick king over populated and greasy
I've watched this twice now. Just amazing
Inspiring, thank you very much! Reducing the consumption of fish significantly (especially that from fish hatcheries and fish farms), by prioritising a diet which is predominantly plant-based, really is important for restoring the balance between People and Nature.
BEST VIDEO 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼😍😍😍🍀🍀🍀
We need a kids video a hour long like “ finding Nemo” that tells the story in a happy way how wild fish 🐠 are happy fish hatchery fish are sad 😔 and dieting and are the zombie fish they really are the the humans are feeding and breading. Make it a happy video where paradise is found when there is no more dams and every fish is wild caught. I know if done right this will make good money but will change the view on how we think. This video I just watched opened my eyes 👀 because I really didn’t know how had the hatchery were for the fish. If you see this comment like it so it go to the top and the video gets made. ❤️ u keep up the good work.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ.
Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom.
Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
What is hatchery fish
@@LATFA. it s an artificial tank structure to hatch fish and feed them and release them back into the rivers lakes streams .It keep the small fish for being eaten by predators and staff feed them once they reach a certain size they are trucked back to streams rivers and lakes .
I took the bait & this fish film schooled me.
LoL Good pun This film will start many conversations. And some will miss certain critical facts and take up chasing down empty rabbit hole. But at least we have a good film and so the necessary conversations begin.
incredible! Your campaign ideas are amazing! You are really protecting our mother nature. How I wish; I could be one like you as conservationist people. You know here in our town, we have also the problem regarding our natural resources had been damage, especially in the river aspects too! Private Electric companies installing damps for their hydro turbine for electricity business and this made to damage our river crabs habitat and their life cycles. Every year, these river crabs are fertilizing their eggs in the coastal areas or the estuary they are inverted nature with your salmon fish where mature salmons go upstream for fertilizing their eggs while our river crabs fertilizing their eggs downstream in the estuary then their young's return back to their territories and undertake heavy river currents and their predators' nearby before reaching its' habitat. Now how these young crabs can be able to climb those treacly high damp structures and their territories were being damaged as well? The river crab season is in the month of November had completely gone at this time. I hope that someday somehow there will be scientists/conservationists like your group who will study the nature of invert characteristics with your salmon fish compared with our river crabs here in the Philippines. Thank you for reading.
you should speak to some people about this problem mabe go to a university and talk to biology professor mabe they could start to study this
What an eye opener,truly exposes the errors of our ways ,and we need to make the wrongs right again and give these wonderful animals a chance to get back to where they were ,before we stuffed up the system.Like it was stated in this film,the fish know what to do ,we just need to let them do it unhindered. Fantastic film, very thought provoking. Good luck to all for fighting for these fish in this river.
Don't give up keep the fight on.
28:30 when that young girl spoke. I felt that!
That was pure
This was an amazing watch. Really glad to have learned about this. Are there any updates or places to find updates on the progress of the dam removals and efforts to move away from hatcheries?
Tons of dam removal content on youtube
I read about a month ago a book titled "Eat like a Fish" by Bren Smith, which was a great book, He goes over all the problems of aquaculture that this documentary also states and explains their effects. Funny enough, he actually meets up with the Founder of Patagonia, Yvon CHouinard, who is madly obsessed with this problem. Fish farming has caused so much problems already, Kelp and 3d underwater farming could solve this ongoing problem, only problem being Kelp is not that widely accepted in society. I also highly recommend the book "Eat like a fish", certainly not a page-turner at some parts, but still very informative.
yes 😇😘 no ads. I 💛 it!
Hey just curious. It's August 2024 has there been any improvement in wild salmon?😢
Patagonia seems to have an agenda here but it is unclear what it is. I think we can all agree logging, farming and damming our rivers has led to a huge loss of habitat and productive spawing areas. Let's also add into the conversation over harvest in the 19th and early 20th century that seriously depleted the runs. These fish have to run a gauntlet down many rivers and in the Columbia in particular mergansers take a heavy heavy toll. We've seen seals and sea lions effectively block off ladders and eat hundreds of salmon and steelhead a day. I've been to Crittenden locks near Seattle and seen over 50 taken in an hour. Every minute a sea lion was coming up with another fish in it's mouth, take a bite or two usually out of the belly and move on to the next fish leaving an almost entire carcass for crab feed.
Hatcheries are not the enemy they are they to help us replace what we have destroyed. As a lifelong fisherman I have NEVER seen a single time when closing a hatchery made for better end result. Snider creek has had plenty of press and that was a broodstock program and using local fish that were spawned in optimum conditions for survival and had NO negative effects that I've ever hear about on other wild fish in the area. THis type of propaganda is designed to illicit a negative response so please don't mislead by agenda driven one sided arguments. When you hear one side you never get the whole story. We would be far far better off to limits the foreign processing ships that can catch and process hundreds of tons of our salmon in a day and no runs can survive that kind of damage and presssure. If you do the math one of those boats takes more fish out of the spawning cycle than all of the sporties and tribal fisheries do even if we combine the entire westcoast numbers. One single boat........ you do the math. Hatcheries are here to replace what the dams have done and we have to realize the the dams aren't going away anytime soon. I like having heat and lights at an affordable price and I'm sure you do also. Hydropower gives us that. If we really want to replace and help the wild fish out we need to replace spawning and rearing habitat and get broodstock programs going to help nature out not handcuff her. Thanks for reading, thats my little piece of advice based on 50 years of admiring and chasing these great fish around the world.
thx
You should take a look at this site one fisherman to another.
hatchery-wild-coexist.com/
Cole Schlaht THE NEW SCIENCE BRO
@@coletrickle1776 fully support these guys !
As a fisherman, I think you have an agenda, unclear what it is... oh wait no it's not. Your agenda is to accept government subsidies in the form of fish that cost your neighbors a premium in terms of environmental tolls and tax dollars. I also take issue with your use of the phrases "our salmon" and "foreign... ships". We do not own this living force of fish, no one owns them entirely, and we certainly don't own them more than any other group. We have been blessed to live where we do in terms of proximity to salmon runs, but we have depleted that resource. No argument there. Regardless of how we got here(destruction of the river via deforestation, mining, etc.), we need to focus on what we can do here and now. Right on the banks of the rivers discussed in this film. Let's not toss our own self caused issues onto the backs of foreign ships. As for your comments on the dams, three of the four dams on the Klamath are up for removal in 2022. I mean no disrespect on your meaningful 50 year career, but I do intend to preserve this beautiful species long enough for a few more generations to see.
@@regansinger9379 If you want to preserve the species then you should support hatchery programs. Look at our chum runs no hatchery support and those runs are almost non existent in less than ten years! The facts and numbers say hatchery programs work. You are correct in "we don't own them more than any other group" to a certain extent. When we borrow fish for establishing hatchery runs we have a vested interest. I do not support huge factory trawlers that take in more fish in a day than any of our north sound rivers see in ten years of returns. I'm confused to your comment about "environmental tolls" and tax dollars?? Sportfishing brings in tens of millions of tax dollars into the state coffers and over a million fishing licenses sold in washington state bring in over 44 million annually since a basic license is 43 dollars. I've seen the state claims they only get 9 million from licenses and I find that math doesn't add up. I don't think hatcheries are the only answer but they certainly are a percentage if that answer. We have to bring the numbers of fish up to what they were, if that means putting a rod down for ten years then fine but to think that stopping the hatcheries is the answer look to the north sound rivers and the fish returns since the wild steelhead coalition forced the state into not releasing fish in those rivers, We see NO returns now.......... none right now the Skagit has no winter fish to speak of , the skykomish/snohomish system is shut down because there are not enough fish returning to have a season. The supposed magical returns ti rivers like the elway and the toutle are due to wandering hatchery fish spawning wild not a miracle. Fish don't come out of nowwhere.
Please Provide an example in oregon or Washington where removing hatchery production has been successful. The nisqually river, puyallup river used to have amazing runs of hatchery steelhead. wild fish conservation groups removed hatchery steelhead production on these rivers. Today wild and hatchery steelhead are extinct in both rivers
Wild steelhead are not extinct in the Nisqually 🤦♂️
You'll be surprised to know that because of the Puyallup tribe, and CCA volunteers, steelhead are making a rebound. It's just not common knowledge. The last several years, volunteers have been trucking carcasses into the upper basin from the state and tribal hatcheries. The nutrient enhancement has helped bring larger numbers of spawning steelhead and salmon that the general public aren't aware of. Just last year, the Puyallup had the largest number of spawning steelhead it's had in many years. No one knows about it because it's closed. The rivers need more fish period. And the rivers need the nutrient enhancement rather than the selling of the carcasses used as pet food.
Humankind has constantly ignored God and His message for too long. We act in the place of God who is the creator of nature and the universe. Our sheer arrogance and total disregard for God and His son Jesus Christ have brought all these miseries and miscalculations. Science with all its 'benefits' and ramifications cannot and will never replace God's message of salvation to humankind through His only begotten son Jesus Christ.
Therefore my friend if you desire to have eternal life after your short stay on earth then you must settle the sin factor through believing the atonement that Jesus Christ made on the cross of Calvary. All humankind is born as sinners and no sinner will inherit God's kingdom.
Please repent from your sins and give your life to Jesus Christ so that you can have the righteousness of God which is only in Jesus.
What happens if fisheries shut down? Are the wild populations large enough to restore the rivers? Or have we diminished them too far for natural restoration?
It depends, but as long as wild fish are still present in the system, there is a lot of hope. One female salmon has thousands of eggs. Check out the Rogue River in southern Oregon for a good example of how wild salmon can return after dams are removed, habitat is restored, and smart regulations are in place. Cheers!
@@nerudh Thats a good point, I will check it out! thanks
If Fisheries shut down ? ... or do you mean fish hatcheries ?
Wade Grant sorry for confusion, the hatcheries... is there enough wild population to recover the rivers?
Matthew Drennen to many problems rivers and streams messed up all river die a death of a 1000 cuts dams ,pollution , urbanization ,road salting ,drainage . Deforestation and artificial drainage ,denuding small streams which increased temperatures of water in summer more more more more
Good Documentary. Not sold on it though.
Great Film, I really enjoyed it.
I've lived between Tacoma and Seattle all my life (62 years) and was an avid fisherman for most of it. The hatcheries are not the problem. There are currently two issues that deplete the salmon population in our state. First and foremost is the Boldt decision that gives unprecedented rights to native Americans to gill net the rivers and decimate the returning fish population. You can't imagine what "I've seen on the Puyallup River. Thousands of fish left on the banks (from every run) to rot because the 'natives' are only after the roe from the females. If they truly cared for the fish, they'd take some of the tax free millions their casinos make and start up a fish processing plant. It's truly an atrocity to our salmon and steelhead populations. Secondly is the pinniped population. Pinnipeds take one bite out of the fish (the liver). The rest is crab food.I'm appalled at the amount of dis/misinformation in this video. It reads like it's all the white mans fault. It's not. It's the governments fault from top to bottom. We have all the tools to fix this issue, but the government turns a blind eye in order to create more taxes for an issue that they created and continue to perpetuate.Get the nets OUT of the rivers, and kill the pinnipeds! BTW, fish returns vary due to many factors. Some are poor - some are exceptional. Videos like this will make sure our fish will become extinct because people suck.
The Puyallup tribe is getting better at the wastage. The carcasses are now used for nutrient enhancement and it is starting to pay dividends.
Kill the seals? That's a solution? Please explain. Killing the natural predator seems like an odd solution for an ecological problem. Reminds me of the whole idea...Didn't we kill the wolves so we could hunt deer?
@@hamisnogood the seals are highly overpopulated they are nonlonger hunted like they were traditionally. there is a push to get a commercial hunt started to get the population in check. pacific balance society I think it's called.
There are PLENTY of rivers that are not dammed that have just as bad returns of Salmon/Steelhead. There are also rivers like the Fraser river where the entire lower portion is diked off, completely ruining the wetlands the juvenile fish used to flourish in. Yet the runs still fluctuate, and on some years are even very large returns of Salmon. To me this points to ocean survival being the main factor at play here. There are some studies out of the University of British Columbia that indicate that from 30-50%+ of juvenile salmon are eaten by seals alone, not to mention all the other animals that predate on juvenile salmon. Then there are the massive fluctuation on ocean conditions from year to year. At sea the salmons food sources fluctuate, the temperatures fluctuate, diseases, pollution, overfishing, etc. There are plenty of rivers that are not dammed and have a natural estuary yet the runs are struggling. We keep polluting the ocean and expect things to change but they just keep getting worse despite our efforts on land.
The entire planet needs to change its ways of destroying the earth for short term gain if things are ever to change, and some argue that it is already too late for that. The average person can only do so much when mega corporations and the rich who control the world are making these large scale ecological decisions to profit off the ocean while polluting and destroying it.
It's always dark before the dawn a time of change is coming . the world is being poisoned by money it always has been the root of all evil
The fish farms have devastated the salmon fishery!!! Fact!!!
So, all we have to do is stop stocking fish in our waters, and wild fish populations will recover? Stop wasting tax dollars? I'm in. Let's do it.
Extremely informative documentary pehaps the Best on wild Salmon's life in America how we are extentioning it ,,
Excellent work guys
Thank you for this...i had no clues...now i know and will make choices accordingly.
Fortunately my Alaska has managed our best fishery on earth, plenty of wild habitat and clean waters dam free.
because very few people live there. there is rapidly growing pressure there for extractive mining and other activities that are a real serious threat to your wild fish.
@@juhaszsc , you are clueless about Alaska issues! We are one fifth the size of the entire USA, only approx 1% of our land mass is developed, our state has the most federal land locked up in national parks, etc... in the count! You have no clue about my Alaska! You ignorant punk!!!🤪🤣
Incredible production... i will definitely be sharing
Hatchery and wild fish can co exist. Patagonia has portrayed only one side of the story.
Not if you allow hatchery genetics to mix
How does that work?
You get a hatchery fish return to the system and spawns in the stream. Has offsprings and continues for the cycle several more times.
Is that 3rd, 4th, 5th Or 6th generation fish not a wild fish?
I live within a hour drive of about 15 hatcheries and I can tell you from experience that none of these fisheries are maintaining sustainable fish populations. Every year its a complete toss up whether rivers are shut down or open and if you look at the numbers its a steady to decline. In 20 years theyre all going to be gone.
@clifton gaither Hatcheries are working constantly with new innovations to reduce the environment impact,
Salmon escaping from hatcheries has been reuced a lot the last ten to twenty years, constructing hatcheries that elliminates the risk for escaping isnt that far away.
The other big problem for the wid salmon is the salmon lice, but that problem is aswell under better controll then 10-20 years ago.
The fortunate thing is that both those problems are the biggest problem for hatcheries aswell. Obviously you dont want your to escape or die of sickness because of lice.
And because of that the hatching industry is constantly working on solution to these problems. Considering how "new" the fishing industry is (aprox.50 years) its reasonable to think these problem will be "fixed" soon.
Thank you
Eye opening