Does the Orthodox Church believe in Purgatory? (YES!)
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- Does the Orthodox Church believe in Purgatory? (YES!)
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I am Armenian Orthodox, and yes, we do pray for the dead. And yes, we don’t name “it/purgatory”The idea of purgatory makes a lot of sense to me now. Nothing unholy can come into heaven. So it makes sense that we need to be completely purged by Holy fire before entering. 🎉
Amen!
@@CatholicTruthOfficial ua-cam.com/video/Y3dSUkhMNhU/v-deo.htmlsi=iHQM7u-H1PAn_ptk
Go sit down somewhere
Everything needs to be done on this side of heaven. After death that is the end. You can’t do anything after you are deceased. Satan loves to make people believe LIES
@@CatholicTruthOfficialfunny
Catholic view and not Christ
Our teaching authority is the Holy Ghost and NOT man.
Everything needs to be done on this side of heaven. After death that is the end. You can’t do anything after you are deceased. Satan loves to make people believe LIES
There is no purgatory. God not once said PURGATORY.
SAD Satan sell man a bunch of lies. All this focus on a place that doesn’t exist. Everyone believe these lies are going to the same FIRE because it is a damned BELIEF
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Read the history of your man-made church with man-made doctrines, not the teachings of the Bible.
Orthodox believe in Catholic doctrines they just don’t like naming things.
You mean Romans believe doctrines of the eastern church,the first and only universal church.
NO ONE comes to the father except through Christ. Not through peter, not through Bishop of Rome, not through Mary,not through the apostles, ONLY through CHRIST.
There is an agreement on a state of final purification at the Last Judgement (1 Cor 3:13-15) but no other teaching for a soul, after death, that is a dogma in the Orthodox Church (only some private revelations). Rome, on the other hand, teaches that purgatory is a dogmatic teaching and if you don't believe in it, you will end up in hell. That is not the belief of the Orthodox Church (or Rome, for the first 1,000 years of its existence prior to the Great Schism).
@@clivejames5058 I have no comment on purgatory because it hasn't come up until now.i must study up on this subject
Women must cover their HAIR ( 1 Corinthians 11 : 5 - 6 )
Michael Lofton on Catholic Truth. W.
They hate the word "purgatory," but don't mind calling it "toll booths." Not all, just like Lofton said. They are divided in their beliefs.
I wonder why they pray for the dead if there is no purgatory?
Oh and W Kate the video editor.
🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@CatholicTruthOfficial NO PURGATORY
NO God didn’t send no Fatima to tell anyone to pray a ROSARY and all that nonsense.
As if God FORGOT to tell HIS APOSTLES and the saints to use beads and ASK his earthly mother. LIES AND DECEPTIONS FROM SATAN
WOW! I didn’t know this. I decided against orthodoxy when I thought they didn’t believe in purgatory! 😂
As a subscriber of both channels, I'm loving this! 😉😆
Thanks!!
Thank you, Bryan and Michael, for your untired clarifications on these controversial but true teachings of the only One, Holy, Apostolic Church, that is the Catholic Church. These misconceptions and objections will never end with these protestants. Where there is GOD, that is HIS Church, and there is always Satan to lead people to hatred with the Church. ❤ your commitment, brothers♡♡♡♡♡
I have a lot of questions. What about testaments and revaluations people receive outside the Catholic Church, or out of any Christian Church? (I’ve read a lot of testimony’s, I guess you could assume they are all false on discord, but like at least 100 and more considering people.) what about baptism and speaking in tongues in a Christian Church? When did the Catholic Church get its doctrines? (Idk) why doesn’t the Bible talk about much in the Catholic Church about some things that are open to interpretation? Isn’t it only faith of Jesus Christ that will put you into heaven, then seen by your good works? How many people attack the Catholic Church, and how many Christian’s are nice, just regular people? Do Christians go to hell for not doing the sacraments? Okay, I get some claims are false, but I’ve seen some long comments on these videos that make some great points. Dm me to see. I mean, the Roman Catholic teaching from the pope is final, should someone hold that kind of power seen in history and take malpractice for indulgences and corruption? (Took AP euro last year, now not much of that stuff anymore because everyone’s fed and clothed using machines) from my personal experience, my thoughts have been clearer and more positive now with my renewed faith of Jesus, not with the Catholic Church, but with Grace Church. When I was younger, my thoughts were clouded with depression and thinking everything and everyone was bad. Pollution, climate change, I felt shame when I did things that were just my kind of personality of me at the time. Long story short, moved from my abusive Dad, found a friend who inspired me to read the Bible, did it, here I am. Guess you can say there are other factors at play, but I don’t know if this content feeling I get sometimes means something outside the Roman Catholic Church. Not trying to attack, trying to learn.
Such an important point is brought up in this video that the fire is speaking of destruction or consuming that which is evil. This is the whole benefit of the fire, that it can destroy what God doesn't want so that only that which is righteous remains. Many people who believe in taking the Bible 100% literal and not at all symbolic completely miss the point of the fire altogether.
I want to avoid not only hell but purgatory as well because I have many books about purgatory. They contain also many private revelations about it and its sufferings which are dreadful too. This is why I have been praying to God to grant me the grace to go straight to heaven. God has answered this prayer of mine by showing me the ways how to do it and how to avoid it altogether. Praise God!
By the way, there are also good sides and happiness or consolations in purgatory. It is not pure suffering unlike hell.
And purgatory has an end or is just temporary unlike hell which is eternal.
It doesn’t exist.
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc You: it doesn't exist
Me: Thats only according to your personal understanding or interpretation of scriptures. Your personal understanding/interpretation of scriptures is NOT the truth or NOT the true Gospel but false. The correct interpretation of scriptures is the TRUE Gospel. Who was authorized by God to interpret the Sacred Scripture? The ONE who made and compiled the Bible. Who is it? The answer is: The Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is the Maker and Owner of the Bible that you misuse and misinterpret today.
@@marietav7342no catholic wrote the scriptures. They originated in Rome Europe and the first church and where the Holyghost fell was in Jerusalem. They didn’t and would never have had Jews amongst their Racist diabolical church
Satan is LYING TO YOU
IT DOES NOT EXIST
DID THE HOLY GHOST TELL you that purgatory exist? No
It’s a catholic BELIEF. NOT CHRIST
This is a accursed religion.
Orthodox Church believes that she has the most glorious way of celebration of the risen Christ, unites the mystical body of Christ in the Church and eschatological community in history.
There are differences between the Catholic Church, but it is important whether these differences are important or not. 1. Filioque. 2. The infallibility of the Pope.
Purgatory is a dogma of the Catholic Church, but the Pythagoreans, and Orphics spoke about the Purgatory before it became a Church dogma.
From an Orthodox point of view, Luther and Calvin are a great tragedy for the Church, as well as schism.
Apparently, the strictness in both the Catholic and the Orthodox Church creates an obstacle for the faithful in terms of communion.
Protestants carry individual religiosity, which comes from Judaism.
It's very important for people to know that idea of the immortality of the soul among Jews was not developed at all. They never had that. Christ presented that to Pharisees.
Neither is the resurrection of the dead. Judaism took that from Christianity.
Catholics have the best organization. The best organized Church that takes care of conciseness, of practicality and takes care of the earthly man. And for me it carries beauty and love.
Obviously a community of baptized believers, united in Jesus Christ, living in community under the leadership of a shepherd/bishop, and at the head of the community is the Roman bishop who presides over the community of truth and love. And leads humanity to the eternal happiness of salvation.
Those would be important reasons for me as someone who is converting from Orthodoxy to Catholicism.
And The Holy See, the See of Rome first had the primacy.
That is a historical fact.
Also, in 484 anno Domini, Pope Felix III placed anathema on the eastern part of the church, because of confusion about the nature of Christ. And there were a lot of heresies in the eastern part of the Church. East is full of imagination.
In Orthodoxy, there is a lack of organization, but they are definitely working towards fixing it.
Also rigid conditions of fasting, which of course was also the case in the traditional Latin mass.
Many times believers fast to the point of exhaustion and do not receive communion. 😔
Priests do not prepare homilies.
The Gospel is read, without interpretation.
The liturgy is extremely long.. And I think it is necessary to help people to live the liturgy in everyday life.
And it is forbidden to sit. You have to stand for three and a half hours.
For Orthodox Christians, there is a small judgment immediately after death. And the soul goes either to heaven or to hell.
Welcome home.
Well written testimony.
@@Macariorealrey Thank you! 🩷
Well said, thank you for sharing.🙏🏻
@@CatholicTruthOfficial 🩷❤️🌸
Before you make a mistake, remembers that in the early church there was no one supreme moral who was head of the church.Three patriarchs shared leadership(later 5).it was the Bishop of Rome that left the unified church, and are still dividing today. Present Bishop of Rome is leading it to more splitting, just like in 1054,14th &15th centuries on false doctrine and history.NO mortal man speaks with infallibility,claiming he speaks for God.Careful of your actions.
Keep going
Yes. God is all good and nothing evil can get near God hence it is therefore important for all sin yo be purged before we enter the presence of God.
As a non-Catholic (but still curious about catholicism), I'm still a little confused. So then purgatory is not a literal location but a process of purification before God himself? So is purgatory in heaven? Like i said, I'm a bit confused, and if anybody can help me understand this subject better, i would appreciate it tremendously.
Heaven or hell or purgatory is both a state and a place.
Purgatory is in between heaven and hell. Like heaven and hell, purgatory has many levels. The lowest level of purgatory is in the border of hell or it is the closest to hell where the most guilty souls are confined. There the souls suffer the most. The highest level of purgatory is in the border of heaven. It is the nearest to heaven. There the souls have the least suffering. I read that level of purgatory has no more fire. The souls' suffering there consists only of no vision of God.
It's not in heaven, but it's kind of like the porch of heaven. We have a quick explanation of it here. ua-cam.com/video/AZPS76AQwx4/v-deo.htmlsi=QQAEBerMDCZjiN6W
I have many books about purgatory including the one with title "An Unpublished Manuscript on Purgatory". It has imprimatur and nihil obstat. I found out it is now available online for free.
@@marietav7342There is HEAVEN OR HELL
NO PURGATORY. this is not true
They the Catholic Church IS LYING TO YOU ALL. THEY ARE LYING. notice how they can never tell get when or IF YOU GET OUT
THEY never can say WHO or when ONE GET OUT. IT IS A HOAX
NO SUCH THING
I am praying I HAD THE HOLY GHOST and HE IS NOT for catholism. Do not believe these men. Read KJV AND get the HOLY GHOST.
Hell burns with Charcoal, but Purgatory burns with Natural Gas.
It is discussed in Malachi
16:19 👂
Purgatory doesn’t exist. It a CATHOLIC view not God view
@TriciaPerry-mz7tc If you believe God all you have to do ask God about Purgatory
Maccabees 2 12 41 46 purgatory @@TriciaPerry-mz7tc
The word “purgatory” has multiple meanings. In some cases it refers to a place where one is given another chance (which is false), in other cases it refers to a process. If it is simply a process than everyone agrees (1 Corinthians 3:15). In the name of Roman Catholics trying to unify, they have tried to reduce it down to a quick purification process.
Funny how no scripture says purgatory yet these people ARE SO FIXATED on a nonexistent place. They don’t think JESUS PAID IT ALL. THE LUNACY of this farce religion.
We have not reduced it down to that though.
@@TriciaPerry-mz7tc Where is the word Trinity in the bible?
@@CatholicTruthOfficial You will someday.
You said we did. We said we didn't. You said that we will someday. You contradicted what originally said.
With all due respect to Michael, I've checked with two Orthodox priests, who both confirm the Orthodox Church does not believe in the doctrine of purgatory. Whilst there is no definitive doctrine concerning what happens to the soul immediately after death (only private revelations) they do accept we go through a final purification, at the Last Judgement, as mentioned in 1 Cor 3:13-15. What Michael did not say is that the Orthodox Church objects to the Roman satisfaction model of purgatory itself, which posits that payment is required even after God has forgiven our sins. Within the Orthodox theological paradigm, there is either forgiveness or punishment, not both. I find the title of your video, therefore, misleading.
You might recall that Michael said that Orthodox can't even agree with each other which is a huge problem for orthodox. But he clearly showed and quoted people from the Orthodox Church who believe this teaching even though they wouldn't call it purgatory. Even Orthodox admit that they believe this teaching even though they wouldn't call it purgatory and many of misunderstandings about Catholics really believe about purgatory. So if you just ask them hey, do you believe in purgatory? They're going to say no. But if you ask him if they believe in a purification time before heaven, or prayers for the dead, they're going to say yes.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Perhaps you can help me out here. Purgatory is a doctrine of the Catholic Church so does this mean Catholics are bound to believe in it, or is that just dogmas? Yes, the Orthodox Church believes in a final state of purification at the Last Judgement, as stated in 1 Cor 3:13-15 but regards what exactly happens between our death (and our own particular judgement) and the Last Judgement as a mystery. There have been private revelations but Orthodox are not required to believe in them. The Orthodox Church certainly does not teach that the soul will go to a temporal place of anguish and punishment in this interim period.
I am western rite orthodox and believe in purgatory. I just don’t believe in the negative baggage and abuses that people have done with it.
We agree. :)
Dear Catholic Truth
is it possible to convince thee Antichrist to come back to the Father, come away from Evil, is this possible.
God says all things are possible with him. So it's possible, but they also have free will.
@@CatholicTruthOfficialty
Would Eve have eaten the fruit without the serpent deceiving her?
No.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial How come?
Because God told them know. It was only when she was tricked into it that she did.
@@CatholicTruthOfficial Genesis 3 does say though "So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes"
After the devil tempted her to think that way, yes.
Orthodox do not believe in Purgatory, per se
They call it the Final Theosis
The " final encounter" so to speak
Orthodox do not define or name explicitly what happens beyond death.
What do you mean they don't define it or name it? You literally just said they call it Final Theosis.
@GranMaese You are right, and this dude just contradicted himself, or he didn't put foward his view in a proper way. I think what he meant was that they don't bother try to define exactly what happened when you die and you are saved. They don't define name to proces, stages, or places after death, and that name is just a definition of whatever happens with you after death withou taking into account if there are stages or not. At least it was what I interpreted from what he said. Or he just contradict himself. I don't know for sure.
Not a michael lofton fan
Sorry to hear that. He has very good information on the Orthodox though.
You know I will state facts here : factor purgatory is true
Second Holy Souls are in Purgatory
There's no such thing as an UnHoly Soul in Purgatory
Third it's a state :
I believe at Judgment of Christ
And those that are in hell those souls the ghenna that is for the dammed unholy souls and the devil in his angels is place of torment and gnashing of teeth ...etc..
That is hell
So remember that is for those that are entirely and eternally separated from God .
Nope. Not true. I had the HOLYGHOST
GOING TO PRAY FOR EVERYONE
That God DEAL with me
I want my soul saved. This is bad. Someone pray for me too. Go back to my first. LOVE
We pray for al the dead. Does this make hell only a purgatory? By your standards...yes. You guys mess things up realy bad.
Hell and Purgatory are not the same thing.
*SCRIPTURE TEACHES THAT PURGATORY EXISTS*
_There are many verses that support the doctrine of purgatory. Here is one of them._
_For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw- each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. (1 Co __3:11__-15)_
In this passage, Paul discusses the Day of Judgment which occurs after death (cf. Heb 9:27). The 'fire' referenced symbolizes purification. Throughout scripture, fire is metaphorically used for purification (cf. Mt 3:2-3,11; Mk 9:49) and as a consuming force (Mt 3:12; 2 Th 1:7-8).
This state cannot be heaven, as the individual carries the defilement of bad works and experiences loss. Neither can it be hell, as Paul states the person 'will be saved.' A post-death state of purification is purgatory.