Thank you, Dr. Scott Hahn, for the very simple clarification. It's easy to understand and helps us Catholics to explain the same to the others using your simplicity. It's a gift, Dr. Hanh from God. Prayers!!!
You catholics better read the Bible for yourself! Purgatory does not exist in the Bible, it's an invention of the evil Vatican, the whore of Babylon. Read the Bible for yourself: the saved people will go to heaven with JESUS, the lost into hell and later into the Lake of Fire. Listen to real theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg and check out the Jack Chick Gospel Tracts!
When I face anti-Catholicism I just continue loving the person and loving Christ. I remind myself that God's will is the only will that matters; only God's opinion of me matters.
@@donhaddix3770 From my years of Bible studies finding that not a single person or historian seen said Jesus wrote about said Jesus and his Magic show of healing, and Feeding multitudes, supposedly a lot people watching Jesus walk on water.and nobody wrote about it. What i am saying that there was no eyewitness accounts of Jesus, this is Christianities dirty secret and nobody to date has proved me wrong, but they report me so i cannot reply back, like christians are sickos.
I recently converted to Catholicism after nearly 49 years as a Protestant. I started out as a Southern Baptist at age 11, and then became an Episcopalian in my 20's. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit when I was 18. I am grateful to the Anglican Communion, as that is where God revealed to me the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist...at a time when I, too, was anti-Catholic (and especially anti-Real Presence). I went to a Christian college (Asbury University) where I was exposed to several different Protestant denominations. Many Protestants think they will not be judged after death, but I have always believed in the "Believer's Judgment" (2 Cor. 5:10), as many Protestants do. St. Paul said we will all sit before the Judgment Seat of Christ...not to determine whether we're saved or not, but what we have done, both good and bad. I never thought of that as a reference to purgatory, but it makes sense. We will have both reward and punishment, and our place in Kingdom of Heaven will be established, whether greatest, or least, or somewhere in between.
You were never a good and faithful Protestan, you was a uneducated individ that moved from a religion to another not because you were looking for the truth but because you were uneducated in the Bible teachings. Probably you never read the entire Bible for front to back.You were looking for a religion that tickle your ears and to make you fill good about yourself.
Welcome home to the only church founded by Jesus Christ. Please ignore the rude remark by the Protestant. I was Protestant for 55 years and history is on the side of the Catholic Church. God bless you.
Purgatory is only for believers who are destined for heaven. It's for the final purification, because 'nothing impure shall enter heaven' (Revelation 21:27). All practising Christians (Catholics & Protestants) believe in 'sanctification', the process to become more Christ-like, which is required of all disciples of Christ. "Be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" (Matt 5:48). It's a lifelong process & few people will be that perfect when they die; so this sanctification process may continue after death for some Christians, before their souls finally enter heaven. Concerning our fate for eternity, it's either only heaven or hell. Purgatory is temporary, & only for those going to heaven.
It's sad how there's so many adults in the comments that cannot have the attention span to sit through a short video and instead, through their emotional impulses, scream and kick and use strawmans and anti Catholic venom in the comments
Dr. Hahn, you are a modern day St. Paul :) I thank God for giving you the wisdom and the revelations that have changed the hearts and lives of Catholics like me. God bless you! You are loved and prayed for.
@@dannyboy6598 Thank you for your concern 😊 I don’t go by the words of men…The Holy Trinity is everything- the beginning and the end for me. But, I will say this that when some people speak - whether it’s Scott Hahn or the priest who is giving the Sunday sermon - and the Spirit moves within me, I know it’s true.
@@Takashitadori you don't go by the words of men. V good. Now pls enlighten me. Pls show me proof tht Mary was conceived sinless. The dogma of the imm conception of the Cath church. Mary was born before Jesus n the Cath church did not exist then. Pls tell me who from the magisterium of the RCC was around at the time of Mary's conception to authenticate the imm conception. Fact is, no one. Also for the dogma of Mary's assumption. No one. If U don't hv the proof for these dogmas, then it's not from the holy trinity. It's from men from the vatican n also from the devil. So U reject things from men but accept things from the devil? If no proof, then it's a lie from men n Jesus said lying is of the devil jn 8. So pls prove me wrong n show me evidence it's from the holy spirit. So when Mary says to the visionaries at fatima DEVOTION TO MY IMMACULATE HEART, now U know it's not from Mary. The demon behind this voice speaks. Now U know tht it's all lies n fairy tale 1.2 bil caths are believing
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
It is very difficult to convince any Protestant, or at least the ones I know. They seem to demand to see the EXACT wording in the Bible - in this case "Purgatory" - or it may be Confirmation or Confession. I try to explain that many doctrines are derived, from principles, eg Jesus gave the authority to forgive sins, he didn't use the word "confession". Then the counter-argument would be "that was only to the apostles". Then my counter-argument will be "if the power was extinguished with the apostles, then so was the Great Commission to preach to the whole world". On top of all that, these guys are reading modern English Protestant translations, and we know many words have been changed, like "tradition". And so it goes round & round in circles. I give up, not because I don't care for people, but unless they are willing to go back to the Greek and Latin (which I don't know, but the Early Church Fathers would explain from there), I have found zero progress.
"I have found zero progress", you say. But, fret not. There's a good chance that you planted a bug in their mind that will manifest later. One data point, that along with other data points they may have heard, or will hear, will lead them to realize the veracity of Catholic doctrine. Keep on truckin', bro.
Well you have an advantage as you don't believe the bible to be complete and as a roman Catholic you have been taught that the church is the authority and not the bible. purgatory is the state in which the individual atones for the sins that were unconfessed and un repented of in a stage between earth and heaven. Odd that 1 Peter 2:24 points out that Jesus has atoned for all the sins of the believer? You do not find any teaching by anyone in the scriptures about this . Heb 9:27 appears to state the opposite of what you accepted.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Yes, Jesus has atoned for all sins of all time of all people, BUT, that atonement is not a blanket forgiveness of everyone's every sin ever, but it is atonement in principal and is applied only when a person repents and confesses and desires reconciliation with God. Most of us will die without having been perfected in this life, having some lingering attachments to a sinful thing or two, so those last dredges of sin will be removed by the Blood of Jesus after we die, so we can be finally and fully sanctified in order to get into heaven. That is Purgatory.
I was recently 'corrected' by the Holy Spirit. I was once very critical of the Catholic Religion but I was stopped and reminded that you don't have the standing to be critical of anything. My task is to draw and direct people to Jesus not to be correcting anything. Isiah 48 verse 10 -11.
@@Dbusdriver71What do you mean the Catholic " religion ". Catholicism is not a separate religion . Catholicism is Christianity and we Cathomics are followers and worshippers of the LORD Jesus Christ just the same as any other Christian.
@@mynameisGail Jesus doesn't want us to practice religion. He wants a relationship with us one on one via the Holy Spirit. There is nothing between him and us anymore. Our bodies are many temples. There is only one high priest now.And that is Jesus. This was the point of my post.
The suffering is the separation of our souls/spirits from God as we purify. We will be utterly burning in the pain of our desire to reunite with Him who created us.
@trollpatrol7215 Yes, and along with that, when a person finds themself in that purging process, an immense joy of knowing with infallible certitude that they will see God face to face!
If you suffer for your sins in a flame then the cross of Christ is of no effect to you, you are trying to enter through another door, but Jesus says, " I am the door by me if any man enter in he shall be saved." Jesus died for your sins, if you have to pay even one penny for your sins then you deny the cross, you make the blood of Jesus ineffective in your life, no one will see God except through the blood of the cross, no one.
@@alfran03 Yes, Jesus died to save us from eternal fire... Purgatory is only a waiting place of purification, in other words, you can still be saved and have to enter into purgatory. Once you are fully holy in the eyes of the lord, then you can enter his kingdom.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Learn all you can about salvation and focus on Christ as God's word tells you in Heb 12:2 Hebrews 9:27 points to no place for a clean up that purgatory claims. You are either in Christ and He in you or you are an unbeliever. Heaven or hell no final place for you to atone for sins when it is Christ who already atoned for your sins once and for all.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 sez "Heaven or hell no final place for you to atone for sins when it is Christ who already atoned for your sins once and for all." You are 100% correct in this. And this doesn't rule out post-death completion of a believer's sanctification through the final application of the Blood of the Cross to the person. That's all Purgatory is, it is a process, not a place. It is the last stage of a believer's sanctification, for those who die with some lingering attachments to sin. (This excludes un-repented mortal sins. Purgatory is not a second chance. Our life on Earth is our only chance.)
@@AmericanBerean Interesting how you agree with 1 Peter 2:24 and then state for those who die with some lingering attachments to sin. Christ atoned for every sin and there are no lingering sins . Purgatory is man made and contradicts the complete atonement for all of our sins. I am completely sin free in the eyes of God , yet I sin every day . I am still sin free in the eyes of God because Jesus has atoned for every sin I have done , am doing , or will do. I am righteous because of Christ, I have the gift of salvation through faith, I do not depend on works to supplement my salvation , and I try to do the works that God created me for Eph2:10 Romans 7 speaks about sin and it is repeated twice to get your attention. Interesting because I thought it was me who was sinning and could not stop no matter how much I tied to.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 "I am completely sin free in the eyes of God , yet I sin every day . I am still sin free in the eyes of God because Jesus has atoned for every sin I have done , am doing , or will do." Yes, Jesus dies for ALL our sins... when we're born again into God's family, we are a clean slate. Our rebirth removed the primary effect of Adam's Sin (eternal separation from God), and forgave us of all our past sins, if any. But we still bear the secondary effects of that original Sin (weakened will, disordered desires, inhibited intellect), collectively known as concupiscence, the tendency to sin. So, as children of God, we can still sin and we're not forgiven those present and future sins until we commit and repent of them. If we don't repent of whatever sin, we are not forgiven of it. So, if we die in that state of unrepented venial sin, we'll be finally purified in the process of Purgatory before we can get into heaven. In the case of a mortal sin (deliberate commission of a "sin unto death", as John puts it), we lose our salvation, until such time as we repent of it and confess it for forgiveness. If a child of God is in a state of mortal sin, he has separated himself from God, and if he dies unrepentant, he is bound for Hell. (That is the "unforgivable sin" Jesus spoke of in Matthew.) Jesus' Sacrifice was not a blanket forgiveness of all believers' sins of all time. That is a new and novel idea, from the 16th century or later, amounting to a doctrine of man.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
One thing about the church and purgatory (which I believe in) is why do they emphasize that are sins are forgiven and Jesus "forgets" them. Mother Angelica told the story of Jesus telling a saint the sin was like a droplet in the ocean and another saint said he told her to tell someone testing her, who asked what his last confession was, "he forgot". I understand the teaching but then why are the remembered later or at the end of time? I will ask my priest when he's not busy but it always seemed contrary in a way. I get why we need "cleaning" for sure, but the forgotten part, not as much.
When I read the passage from 1 Cor 3 I am reminded of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and the goats. Things aren’t as simple as using baptism as a free pass to heaven. If we don’t have great love, as Jesus loves, then what little we have done for Jesus is pointless and in the end will be burned up/thrown out/etc, even if we will still be saved because of Jesus Christ’s gift of salvation. Like the servant with the 1 talent, if we a lousy job with the gifts that God has given us then he will give what little he first gave us to someone else and let us in the back door to heaven while those who sacrificed much and loved much will be welcomed with fanfare into the front gates. (Of course there are varying degrees of the above and everyone is judged only by God) And why do we need purgatory?… Everyone who is saved but is not ready for heaven needs purgatory. Think of it as showing up at the biggest celebration of the century in the biggest city of the world with a red carpet entryway and cameras flashing, celebrities being interviewed and people going in one by one. Then you show up and you realize that you hadn’t showered or shaved in weeks, you smell, your clothes are filthy, and you have no shoes. What’s more, you were just mugged and you’re battered and bleeding. It’s clear you aren’t presentable enough to go into the party and aren’t even healthy enough, even if you could manage to clean yourself up. So you get cleaned up and check yourself into a hospital and wait for the healing process to complete. Now, most of us are not ready for heaven. EVEN if we had recently gone to confession we still have what is called a “temporal inclination to sin”. In other words, our will is not automatically and habitually inclined toward loving God completely. To shed that inclination is difficult. It’s painful. I find it unfortunate that so many Christians get into such heated debates over the saved/not-saved/purgatory issue when much of that can be avoided if we would all look at it with logic. When we die we don’t stop being human. God won’t just run ramshod over our personalities if he has been so patient with us while we are alive. That would be like taking away His gift of free will. If He wanted to do something like that then why didn’t he just free us from our sinful inclinations at our baptism? Then we would only have to deal with external temptations from evil, like He did. He didn’t create us as robots. He made us as intellectual beings, in His own image, to live in relationship with Him for eternity. So,what’s my take? God please purify me now and help me to love you as you love me…because I’d rather not have to be purified later, and I DEFINITELY don’t want to miss the chance of loving you or any of your creatures while I am able.
Interesting read. As Christ has forgiven every sin and we are perfect in the eyes of God because of what Christ has done there is no need to do a final clean up in purgatory.. Everyone who is saved but is not ready for heaven needs purgatory. . Flaw found . You are saved and washed in the blood of the lamb, you are sanctified and justified as 1 Cor 6:11 points out in the past tense As flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of God , we are not able to make ourselves clean on this planet. Christ has done that completely already the moment you repent , confess your sins , get baptized , confess the Lord to others, you are completely sin free in the eyes of God. Think of it as showing up at the biggest celebration of the century in the biggest city of the world with a red carpet entryway and cameras flashing, celebrities being interviewed and people going in one by one. Then you show up and you realize that you hadn’t showered or shaved in weeks, you smell, your clothes are filthy, and you have no shoes. What’s more, you were just mugged and you’re battered and bleeding. It’s clear you aren’t presentable enough to go into the party and aren’t even healthy enough, even if you could manage to clean yourself up. So you get cleaned up and check yourself into a hospital and wait for the healing process to complete. Yes and what you seem to miss here is the Lord cleans and heals the person before he walks into the celebration. A different story if the person is not a believer. Now, most of us are not ready for heaven. On our own , no we are not ready for heaven . With Christ in our lives then we are ready for heaven Col 2: 9-15 EVEN if we had recently gone to confession we still have what is called a “temporal inclination to sin”. Romans 7: gives you a valid clue to what sin is and we die as sinful people but spiritually we are alive in Christ. In other words, our will is not automatically and habitually inclined toward loving God completely. To shed that inclination is difficult. It’s painful. And it happens here while you live as after you die Heb 9:27 does not give you a third option.
The reason the Lord came down is to save the sinner that whoever believes in him will be saved. So he also made it known that he came to implement the word of God accordingly and not through man's tradition. So did he brought the thief with him who humbled himself, absolutely yes. Remember after death comes judgement, nothing in between.
We Catholics believe that. There is only one judgement, one. But the outcome of the judgement is not always go free or be condemned to the death penalty. Sometimes it's stay in jail until you pay the last penny; then, after you pay your debt, go free. Protestants only see go free or die.
Yes, after death we are judged. if we died in the friendship of God, we are judged to be able to get into heaven. But if we have some lingering attachments to sin, He will finish sanctifying us before we get into heaven, because only perfectly pure people can be there. If we die in a state of rebellion (ie unrepented mortal sin), we are judged accordingly and won't get into heaven.
@@mariasoniamoreno3433 Ok so you believe this , why? what basis do you put your beliefs on? Scripture is clear that there is the great white throne judgment fo all of man kind and there is the Bema seat of Christ for all believers. So in a way you are correct , one judgement . If you are a believer that judgement is found in 1 Cor 10-15 , where we are judged on what we did with what Christ gave us to build upon the foundation of Christ. As a believer you will never go near the great white throne judgement.
@@mariasoniamoreno3433Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
A thought about ‘Purgatory’: at the point of my death I will be a human person with my identity, character, personality, knowledge, will all at some level of perfection/ imperfection. My hope is that God will grant me eternal life with Himself. If I die today, I vividly realize that the current state of my person (identity, character, personality, knowledge, will, etc) is most definitely NOT the state I want to be in throughout eternity. So, I’m going to have to change - i.e. be perfected. If I am really close to perfect right now, like 98-99% - then I suppose God can just miraculously zap away the last smidgeons of my imperfection, and I’d still be able to recognize that I’m still ME. But if - as is so so very much more likely the case - my perfection level is somewhere far far FAR lower than 98%, then an instantaneous miraculous zapping would result in such a radically different ME that I would be unlikely to even recognize myself. So, I think that for I-MYSELF to be saved, sanctified, and prepared for eternal life then I-MYSELF must go through the change in all its necessary aspects. My ‘selfhood’, my ‘identity’, my ‘character’, my ‘personality’, my ‘will’ must grow through the process - otherwise I wouldn’t recognize the perfected me as being ME. It would be some stranger who goes on to eternal life, and not really ME. To remain ME, then I-MYSELF need to experience the changing, the perfecting, the purifying, the ‘purging’. Anyway, I am a believer who once considered Purgatory just plain silly, but who now thinks of Purgatory as yet another very loving and encouraging gift of the Lord’s merciful kindness.
@@ph50493 I agree 100 percent! BUT, please try to understand Purgatory as a phase of the Lord’s merciful plan to lift us up and share His eternal life with us. Purgatory has nothing to do with us doing ‘works’, but rather with us receiving His gift of purification. Of course, people who are actually PERFECT at the point of their death won’t need the gift of purification, but the imperfect among us certainly will. Also the Scriptures are given by the Lord to His Family - to reveal Himself to humanity, to promise, to thrill, to remind, to admonish, to inspire prayer and relationship - but the Bible is not intended as a source book for the practice of amateur theology.
@@mschmidt1645 Yes, Jesus will not Lie, Today You will be with Me in Paradise... ( The Thief alone would , do many thousands of Years, according to some who make up this sentencing in this world, Worse they believe they can be set Free on Saturdays If Mary sees them wearing some Cloth ) total Blasphemy
He is still in a nonexistent state. He will be resurrected under Jesus 1,000 year rule of this earth (Acts 24:15). When he opens his eyes he will find himself in paradise. It will be like a few moments ago Jesus made that promise to him. Even though many thousands of years have passed.
So, he used 1 Cor ch 3, at vs 13, the KJV translators take us to 1 Peter 1:17 to better understand the word fire, and it clearly shows us this is prior to death, and not in any afterlife;1 Peter 1:7That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ. And also to Luke 2:35; to show how the fire will be revealed;35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. And finally Hebrews 9:7 shows there is no biblical purgatory as described; Hebrews 9:27 KJV - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Now in the Old Test. The souls of the Saints were in rest awaiting the Messiah to fulfill the Jonah (3 days 3 nights in the heart of the earth)prophecy and Jesus did go into Sheol and led captivity captive. There is a good place of rest, Abrahams bosom, and a bad place of rest until judgement, Luke 16.23, or under the Lords throne Rev 6:9, but there is no scripture that says we can change our judgement in this place. Jesus commands all men to repent or perish Luke 13.3, and you do not get the Holy Spirit until you obey the entire gospel Acts 5.32, and John 14.21. Paul's writings are also commandments 1 Cor 14.37. And we must be born again of the spirit, or regenerated, circumsized the heart as Paul said, before we leave this earth. Only the Sanctified or Holy will see the Father Hebrews 12.14 and Jesus by his one offering,HE perfected forever the Saints, or born again Christian's Hebrews 10 14. The first words of our Lords earthly ministry were Repent and obey the gospel, Mark 1:15. Also, Jesus said most beleivers will not enter into the Kingdom, Matt 7.21, 1 Pet 4:18, and Matt 7:14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. FEW! Jesus did not teach purgatory in his gospel. Jesus is Lord. AMEN.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
All believers are saints.God purifies us on the cross. Paul said that after all he is an unprofitable servant. Our works are burnt up but we are saved by the skin of our teeth. Christ has put away all sin forever. Are you saying that Christ’s work on the cross is insufficient for salvation? The argument must answer this question. Otherwise why the cross?
@@tedprice5828 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the LAWLESS and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen. (2 Peter 3:15-18)
I am a born Catholic. I recently posted on a Catholic you tube channel about praying with my blessed St Benedict medal before going to sleep at night, and how effective it was at keeping Satan away. I received a reply from someone who told me to "turn away from my idols and pray to Jesus". This person was most likely a non Catholic. It pains me to see how some other non Catholic Christian sects bash the Catholic church!
Yes, and mostly because they don't really understand some of the doctrines and practices, such as using blessed prayer tools, aka sacramentals, as you do. They don't understand that we are not worshiping that object but only using it to enhance our worship of God. Now, someone who doesn't feel they need such help, that's fine, they don't HAVE to use these optional devotions.
No one is a born Catholic. Catholics must make the decision for themselves whether to accept the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus for all of our sins or remain as the common man with it's consequences. Acts 2:38 can not apply to any baptized baby as if that takes away any sin. As to medals ? Late invention not found in the early church along with the rosary , brown scapular , or any other trinkets that the superstitious would use. Heb 12:2 tells who we are to focus on imitate Christ EPH 5:1 The weapons of our warfare are found in Eph 6:10-18 You might notice that medals, the rosary , and scapulars are not mentioned !
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 let me rephrase that - I was born into a practicing Catholic family; and I chose to remain in it. Sacramentals are part of the Catholic faith. Would you criticize a Jew for wearing a special prayer shawl and cap?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Regarding your reference to Acts 2:38, saying baptism doesn't take away sin, Infant Baptism is the sign of God adopting that child as His own. As Paul points out, it is the sign of the New Covenant, as circumcision was the sign of the Old (Col2:11-12). Now, under the Old Covenant, they didn't have the Grace which Jesus provides for us in the New Covenant, so that now the sign of the Covenant actually conveys the Sactifying Grace which washes away the primary effect of Adam's Sin (which is everlasting separation from God), making the recipient Justified and Sanctified. (for an adult, his personal sins are also washed away). (Sins after baptism are another matter for another discussion, but suffice to say repentance and confession allow Grace to heal us then).
@@AmericanBerean Baptism does not remove sins at all ,it is symbolic of the death and resurrection of our lives dying to sin and being raised in new life as a new creation of God. Baptizing a baby to remove original sin sounds pious but has no basis in scripture. Every baptism found in the new testament involves a decision made by the individual. Babies are not capable of sin , repentance, confession of sin , or confession of faith in the savior. Sin is atoned for by Jesus 1 Peter 2:24 So why would you look to objects to provide protection for you from satans attacks when the scriptures point you to Eph 6:10-18 and not to objects?
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
@@ingridprior1337 it is not a second chance. Revelation 21:27: “But nothing unclean shall enter it…” The New Jerusalem - Heaven. Catholic Scriptural Principle #2 - nothing unclean, nothing with the stain of sin, will enter Heaven. Hence we need to be purified in purgatory 🙏
@@christinemcguiness9356 Jesus told the thief on the cross that he will be with Him in paradise the same day. If paradise is purgatory, why is Jesus going there too? 1Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
@@ingridprior1337 In Christian theology, Hades (paradise) is seen as an intermediate state between Heaven and Hell in which the dead enter and will remain until the Last Judgement. Jesus went there to free these souls , and opened the gates of heaven 🙏
@@christinemcguiness9356 1 Th 4:16-17 KJV ...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Thus, no purgatory
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
based on his belief that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was not sufficient , Scott Hahn is not cooperating with the Holy Spirit in presenting the gospel of our Lord, but the gospel according to the roman Catholic church.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church," (Colossians 1:24) I don't think the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was not sufficient for the salvation of sinners. My understanding was that He offered us the opportunity to suffer with Him on the cross in love (vicariously through our life's sufferings), so that we could be more fully incorporated into the eternal love of the Holy Trinity. Certainly His sacrifice was more than enough, (infinitely so), but it is in His desire to be in relationship with us in the midst of our sin-torn life that He afforded us this opportunity to suffer with Him. And how lucky I am that this is the case, for now my suffering has meaning. What once was a death knell, sounding into the deep of my wounds, tempting me to despair, is now a clarion call of hope; for I am desired even in my sin and pain and suffering. I am called to struggle with Christ through it all, not allowing sin to characterize the deepest part of my heart, but rather Christ's call to crack open my smelly heart and pour it over Him, so that His infinite healing power can flow through me, and I can draw near to Him on the cross, and sin no more.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Addition... Revelation 22: 18-19; If anyone adds any word to the living Word of God; God will punish them with the plagues, it describe in His Holy Word. And anyone take away what is in God's living Word; God will, take away from them the tree 🌳 of life and from His Holy City 🙏 😳 🎉
@@patmelton43 This is a incorrect understanding of historical Christianity. Nobody has ever argued the contrary, only had there been a wrong understanding of what the True Church of the past 2,000 years believes.
@@KyleVaughan1996 The true church has no name because Jesus Christ is the head of His church and we the brethren are his body with each having his/her purpose. The hand may not say to the foot, "I have no need of thee..."
@@patmelton43 “See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.” Written by Ignatius of Antioch, a direct disciple of John the Evangelist…
We get saved by having faith in the completion of the blood sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ that covers our sins. We have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, by His grace. The works of men will not save you so no one can brag about themselves. Purgatory doesn't exist.
@@patriciajohnson1894Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
I understood purgatory as a Protestant. I understand purgatory even better as a Catholic. It's sad that many Protestants would rather argue than ask God for His truth. That's what I did before converting to Catholicism
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Read 2 Maccabees 12:39-46 While it's not in most Protestant Bibles, it's been a part of the original Bible and all Catholic Bibles since about 397AD. It was the Old Testament that the Apostles quoted from. Matthew 12:30-32 (RSV2CE): 30 ¶ He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31 ¶ Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.† 32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. Here, Jesus is talking about the forgiving of sins. You cannot be forgiven in hell and there is no sin in heaven so obviously Jesus is talking about somewhere else where sins are forgiven. Obviously He's talking about purgatory You should know that Christianity is not based on only what is found in the Bible but what God has taught us through His Word, found in both oral traditions and written traditions. While I used to be a Bible only Protestant, the Word of the Lord came to me and showed me I was in error. Satan can deceive others and I was deceived many years by being in a Protestant church. Protestantism isn't from God even though members profess love for our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (RSV2CE): 15 ¶ So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
@@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch Read 2 Maccabees 12:39-46 Ahhh yes the chosen verses to presnt praying for the dead , not found anywhere else in scripture ! So maybe you should read the context of 2 Maccabee's 12:? Purgatory has no basis in scripture and when you take a bit of time read up on all the verses used to convince you of purgatory ,and then make sure that the context of those verses prove what the cherry picked verses are correct? 2 Maccabee's 12 : 1. who died 2. why did they die? 3. who killed them ? 4.did they repent of their sins before they died ? 5. Was Judas correct in praying for them to attain godliness? Now find in the new testament where un repentant sinners get prayed into heaven? Matthew 12:30-32 (RSV2CE): 30 ¶ He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31 ¶ Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.† 32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. The context is showing you that Blasphemy is the main subject and it will not be forgiven in this age or the one to come , not now not ever. There is no forgiveness of sins unless asked for / repented of and the new testament is quite clear on the matter. Here, Jesus is talking about the forgiving of sins. You cannot be forgiven in hell and there is no sin in heaven so obviously Jesus is talking about somewhere else where sins are forgiven. Obviously He's talking about purgatory So your conclusion does not include life on earth where you confess your sins and God removes all your sins and Jesus atones for all of your sins. You should know that Christianity is not based on only what is found in the Bible but what God has taught us through His Word, found in both oral traditions and written traditions. Yes the roman Catholic teaching so that scripture is shown to be unreliable as truth and must be supplemented! While I used to be a Bible only Protestant, the Word of the Lord came to me and showed me I was in error. Satan can deceive others and I was deceived many years by being in a Protestant church. Protestantism isn't from God even though members profess love for our Lord Jesus Christ. The deceived do not realize they are deceived and that is why everything you are taught is to be questioned Acts 17:11 not just accepted because the guy up in the pulpit said so. Priest or pastor , it does not matter , you are to question everything. 1229 A.D. The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia. 1251 A.D The Scapular invented by Simon Stock, an English monk. This is statements that the one Holy roman Catholic church believes are true ? No scripture verse to form any basis of belief but you are told to believe it? So wrap your brown scapular over your shoulder and depend on that strip of cloth for protection because obviously God or the Holy Spirit is not enough? Heb 4:15,16 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (RSV2CE): 15 ¶ So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. And now we have the written word that we can read and quote from . Oral is no longer used or required. Traditions that include pagan beliefs are not required for the believer. 1 Peter 2:24 Jesus atones for all of our sins while we live and there is no need fora clean up in purgatory as our sins are totally forgiven and our flesh will never be in heaven.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Obviously you think you're God and can dictate what is acceptable beliefs and what is not. Last I heard through scripture, the Church (meaning the Catholic Church) is the pillar and foundation of truth. So anything the Catholic Church teaches comes from God Almighty. Anything the Church says, God agrees to since the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. Not you, not I. I just prefer to follow Jesus Christ and obey what He says. That's why I left my unbiblical Protestant church and converted to Catholicism. Because He said He founded the Catholic Church. The ones that the Apostles taught says His Church is the Catholic Church. Sounds as if you disagree with God. My prayers for you for conversion lifted up to God.
@@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch So regale us with the convincing truth about purgatory and prove from scripture that it is true? I see from your last comment that you avoided answering the question and instead rattled off Obviously you think you're God and can dictate what is acceptable beliefs and what is not. Nope i have asked you a question and you in your reply have chosen to go in a different direction because from scripture you can not defend purgatory!!! the Church (meaning the Catholic Church) The Church meaning the body of Christ Eph 2:19-22 is the pillar and foundation of truth. So anything the Catholic Church teaches comes from God Almighty. 600 A.D. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and angels.* 607 A.D. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by Emperor Phocas. 709 A.D. Kissing the pope's foot, began with Constantine. 750 A.D. Temporal power of the popes conferred by Pepin, king of the Franks. 786 A.D. Authorised worship of the cross, images and relics. 850 A.D. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest. 890 A.D. Worship of Saint Joseph. scripture Anything the Church says, God agrees to since the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. Ahhh it must be nice for the magisterium of the roman church to tell God what He is to agree to as if He has no choice? I just prefer to follow Jesus Christ and obey what He says. That's why I left my unbiblical Protestant church and converted to Catholicism. If you obey what Christ said why do you believe the church and some of it's false doctrines and claim you are following Christ exclusively? Because He said He founded the Catholic Church. Really where does Jesus ever say that He founded a denomination ? roman Catholicism only started after 385 AD , Jesus never named His church , Man did . Jesus is the only way to God and the roman Catholic church teaches that Mary is co- redemptix with Jesus . You just can not find Jesus founding the evolving Catholic / roman Catholic church. The ones that the Apostles taught says His Church is the Catholic Church. Again where do you find Catholic in the scriptures? Sounds as if you disagree with God. Sounds to me like you are ignoring established scripture and following an organized group that tells you what to believe. So back to that question you have tried so hard not to answer? So regale us with the convincing truth about purgatory and prove from scripture that it is true?
I too have recently come to the catholic church and the idea of purgatory was kind of interesting because in other churches there is that all or nothing kind of mentality as you say, saved not saved, even n some traditional churches hell or heaven, and the passage the evangelical churches tend to fall on for the saved/not saved version is 2 corinthians 5:8 - to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. Thankfully at least we have people like SH and others who come and tell us these things because I also know that many people are constantly either worried because they fear losing their salvation or fear they won't get to heaven, or they are so sure of it they can carry on regardless because they are fully convinced the once saved always saved is the motto they have adapted which takes little or no effort or thought on their part.......... Part of my coming to the catholic church was and is the direct correllation and mirroring of the practises in Judaism which then lead me through some teaching to see the connection between the two and that connection was Peter, if he was the builder of the first church in Rome which he was or certainly the catalyst of it and if the practises and rituals are a continuation of the Jewish practices which they are then this must be the church and teaching we need. For me this is yet another confirmation of this.
My biggest criticism of Catholicism is the worship and prayers to Mary. Mary was not sinless. First Commandment of our Lord is "Have no other gods before me" not to mention worshipping of angels and prayers for the dead. That is dead religion.
@@patmelton43the problem is that Protestants are the one insisting we Catholics worship the Blessed Mother this question really baffles me. We love The Blessed Mother just like our mother she is the Mother of the Catholic Church. We honour her just like Jesus honour her. She was created by God and whatever power she has comes all from God. We never treat her as a goddess. Now my question to you is are better than Jesus Christ? If The Blessed Mother is enough for Jesus if Jesus love His mother so much, why can’t you? Why is the blessed mother enough to you?
@isabel I love conversion stories and I’m so excited for you. Welcome home. What Protestants need to understand is purgatory exist because of the mercy of God. He love us so much that he won’t send us straight to hell if we die unclean only if we don’t have mortal sin. So purgatory is a blessing for us to totally purify ourselves before we get to heaven. Because sins has consequences we still owe God a debt in that way we can pay Our debts in purgatory. What a blessing.
@@Maya-yp2ey Give me an example of that because I think you are lying. Why would protestant tell catholics anything except stop your works-based religion?
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John Henry Newman talks about the ignored but importaint ancient Christian belief traditions that Protestantism has never correctly understood as foundational to Christian belief. Purgatory is simply one of those elements. I am neither Catholic nor Prostestant, but am astonished by the richness of early Christian tradition that has historically become battle-ground for belief. As there is one Christ, there can be only one Christianity; all else is either dishonesty or error.
My question is simple . A spanking causes nerve fibers to be stimulated that are appreciated as pain. Over time one makes the connection that a given behavior results in pain and the behavior is reduced. What is the mechanism of purification in purgatory?
May the Lord's peace be with you all. This post is open for dialog. Though if I see disrespectful and malicious comment, I would immediately delete it. I posted this so as to open a dialog that we may all learn furthermore as we try to unpack what purgatory really means as one of our Catholic belief.
I understand 'Purgatory' as a process of final purification (for those who are saved & destined for Heaven, but didn't complete the sanctification process during their earthly life; because "nothing impure shall enter Heaven", as stated in scriptures); but I've noticed many of our Protestant (& even some Catholic) brothers & sisters misunderstand 'Purgatory' as a 3rd 'judgment place' in addition to Heaven & Hell! Now, I've pondered about the concept of PLACE. I thought TIME & PLACE no longer exist in the AFTERLIFE; & only our temporary world/earthly life is limited by TIME & SPACE. So, Catholics' belief about some souls having to spend some TIME in Purgatory before they are released into Heaven (& some Catholics even offer prayers & sacrifices to help shorten the TIME for the souls in Purgatory) is 'MIND BOGGLING'! I DON'T BELIEVE in the concept of shortening the TIME spent in Purgatory, although I've been raised a Catholic.
So, in essence, what you're saying then is if we disagree with your point of view, it will be deleted? Isn't that censorship? As a former catholic, I'm respectfully asking.
@@danielmyers5338 no. It just means that if the comment is disrespectful and malicious only. Even if you disagree, I will not delete it as long as I see that you are open for dialog.
@@danielmyers5338 Why ask that when he made himself clear the first time? Is your post not still here, and not deleted? Regardless, can I ask why you left Catholicism?
@@RosalindToh I think you hit on a key insight focusing on the concept of Purgatory as being entirely constrained by *time and space* . That is the key. Only *matter* is constrained by time and space! And yet, oddly, that does not specifically disallow the concept of Purgatory, but rather *reconciles it* with of all things ..... reincarnation! It's an unprovable theory surely, but one that does make sense to me because it explains the apparent injustices and inconsistencies between peoples' lives. Some short, some long, some more agonizing than others, etc., etc. Given enough iterations in the "loop," until the conditions are met for us to "exit the loop" onto another stage in our soul's existence, our soul may then have a chance to be judged more fairly with equal justice for all. What are we after all? Our bodies? Or are our bodies just like clothes, discardable matter once they have fulfilled their purpose? Just look at any mummy in a museum. Just dust and discarded debris. Nothing else remains there of the person it once was. In general, I think we are *not supposed* to know consciously how this stuff works so we are not biased as we go through our lives. Each life is a unique experience in ... learning for our souls. Maybe this is why we don't *generally* remember past lives consciously, except for some exceptional cases (if we are to accept some people's testimonials to that effect). Perhaps there is a *reason* for those specific cases, for their lives, and perhaps for our lives as well. Overall, I suspect it would be rather overwhelming or disheartening for most (as it is for me) to know this for real. I've had a revulsion to the idea of reincarnation. Just to think to have to repeat all the trials and tribulations I've gone through in this life (and most of humanity has had it worse), can be disheartening. Maybe that's why we are *spared* from remembering! Like I said, I do not *know* any of this epistemologically or scientifically. It's just an intuition, but one that makes some logical sense. It certainly makes more sense than a final condemnation, by a loving God, of a soul as a result of a single life's experience. Perhaps the Hindus were onto something here.
Purgatory makes perfect sense to me. I believe if you confess your sins and are sincerely sorry God will forgive you, but there has to be some accountability for sin. We may, in our ignorance, think we aren't sinning but we are all sinners.
@@David77757Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Where in the Bible is Christmas and Easter mentioned and where does it say that the Bible is a Christian's only source of information. When was the Bible written and what did they follow before that?
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Luke 16 just speaks of the hereafter. We either go to heaven or hell. There is no third choice. Some people may lose their rewards but never your salvation, once you are saved. The Holy Spirit keeps us and the Bible says "He seals us until the day of Judgment."
@@mschmidt1645 the fire in 1 Cor 3 is “the day” of future judgment, which will test the quality of our works and mercifully burn them up (ie., our works, not us) if they are found to be wanting. The loss suffered in that case is a loss of reward. It is a single “day” of judgment, still future, corporate, public, and brief. No mention of them waiting long ages while their works are being burned. Rather, we should imagine this loss of reward happening in an instant.
Dr. Scott Hahn, would you then say in the light of your interpretation of the scriptures that Purgatory is a process more than a place that takes place in Heaven when we are not yet perfect as He is perfect and we are purified or purged by fire, by Christ?
Purgatory makes perfect sense....it's like doing an exam....very very few get 100% (heaven) straight up......and then some fail (Hell)....but the majority fall between 50% and 99% (Purgatory, at some level)
That is why we need Jesus. Jesus’ blood alone cleanses the believer from all unrighteousness. It is hard to comprehend but that is why it takes faith to believe that God’s grace alone has rid the believer of his sin. For the believer, though he still may struggle with sin, God now sees His Son, the sinless Lamb having taken their place on the cross. To accept purgatory is to say that Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t enough. Jesus went through the full extent of hell for us so that we wouldn’t have to.
@@austinfarlow2065 Again Purgatory is in the Jewish Bible Torah, Jesus our Lord is Jewish not American. Respect the ancestry and traditions of our Lord Jesus, read the Bible thru the Jewish tradition..period.
@@austinfarlow2065 This isn't a discussion about salvation. Catholics agree with you. However, Scripture is clear that believers will face the Judgment Seat of Christ...not to find out whether we are going to heaven or hell (heaven is a given as you have said, for those who are in Christ), but whether our works were good or bad. See 2 Cor. 5:10. Our bad or worthless works will be burned up; we will receive rewards for good works in Christ. Purgatory isn't hell. It is a final place of purification, and will ultimately determine each person's rank in heaven. Both Jesus and St. Paul spoke of this.
Catholics don't teach salvation by works. This was the first myth that got busted for me. However, we are also never saved apart from works (James 2:14-26; Hebrews 11, entire chapter). Here is the passage you quoted, but in context: Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace that you have been saved through faith. This has not come from you but from the gift of God. 9 It does not come from works, so that no one can boast. 10 *For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for a life of good works that God had prepared for us to do.*
Yes it would be specially when you do not know the scriptures for yourself and do not see where Scott is telling you the roman Catholic version of events and not the scriptural version of truth that does not condone a fabricated lie called purgatory. Read the context of every verse given to you to prove purgatory and you will find errors.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
It’s appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment Hebrews 9:27. . The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness 1 John 1:8 ❤ To Believe in purgatory is to blaspheme what Jesus did on Calvary Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus will be forgiven Romans 10:9-13 The only reason why Catholics push purgatory so much is because it’s such a great revenue for the clergy. 10 euro now for Mass cards ♥️. But we cannot buy the gift of God with money Acts 8:20 ❤
Yes it is Hard for them to accept the Truth, satan Loves their worship to him through man made statues, praying to and for the dead, Listening to Untested Spirits , medals beads, all give satan worship and takes away the worship direct to Jesus Alone who is the only Mediator to God the Father.... Makes me want to cry, sadly we can only pray ,before it is to late for them. to Be Born Again as Jesus said we must be...
@@beagle5 Thanks for your encouragement and response. Yes purgatory was established by Pope Sixtus 1V in 1476 when he wanted money for the building of Sistine Chapel. You could get indulgences by paying money. Today people are paying 10 dollars for Mass Cards for the dead.
They make up a bunch of self aggrandizing doctrines like claiming to be the first church, the church Christ established, rosaries, transubstantiation, etc. and then grasp at verses out of context to support said doctrines. By the way, purgatory makes no sense in light of the Pauline epistles, and Hebrews. We are sanctified by His blood and "He hath offered one sacrifice for sin forever."
St. Catherine of Genoa (1551): “I believe no happiness can be found worthy to be compared with that of a soul in Purgatory except that of the saints in Paradise: and day by day this happiness grows as God flows into these souls.” In some popular prayers and devotions, and in some spiritual writings, purgatory is described as sort of a temporary hell, and differing from hell only in that those in purgatory know they will eventually go to heaven. However, the Catechism of the Catholic Church rejects that view of purgatory. The Catholic Church does not teach that purgatory is a place or that those in purgatory experience the pain of fire: purgatory is not a “mini-hell,” and is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. CCC1031
Please Catholics, read the Bible with the help of The Holy Spirit, Jesus only talked about Hell and heaven. Mostly hell . Repent is for now it's too late after your last breath. If I was the devil I would want people to think there is a second chance and there is venial sins that does not end in death.
Luke 16:19-21 Jesus makes it abundantly clear that there are two distinct realms in which the souls of the dead exist. One is a place of reward, a Paradise. The other is a place of torment and suffering, where souls are separated from the Lord eternally.
Abraham's bosom and Gehenna are both parts of Sheol, the realm of the dead. Then Christ sacrificed himself and went down to Sheol himself, to stage a massive jailbreak. The Lord led the righteous departed to Heaven, emptying Abraham's bosom. There is no purgatory, just like there will be no rapture. If it's new, it ain't true. Purgatory wasn't a thing for over 1,000 years after the death of our Saviour.
@@ericlammerman2777 Amen. Those souls were sitting in the dark for ~5000 years, waiting on the light to rise. They saw Christ as a light rising and busting open the gates of hell. Lord Jesus defeated the evil one in a brilliant legal maneuver having counsel of the Father and Holy Ghost. And the thief on the cross was not told'today, you will be in a pagan purgatory, and then after many pagans praying for you, we will bring you to paradise"lol. I marvel at the mental gymnastics these Nicolatians do to stay in their sin and carnal lives. God Bless.
My question about purgatory would be if Jesus paid for our sin,,. Why do we have to pay for it again? I feel like if I had to pay for my own sin then why did Jesus have to die for it? It was explained to me by the Episcopal priest, saying if you go out to dinner with someone and they pay the bill do you have to pay it again no, you don’t you repent for it, but I don’t believe that I have to pay for it in purgatory
Instead of paying for dinner, I will offer a different scenario: Jesus' suffering through His Passion and death, opened the chain and unlocked the prison' gate from where sin had us slaved. But it is up to us (cooperating with God's Grace) to get up and step out from that place and turn our lives around and walk through the narrow gate. So, we have to do our part
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
That is why it is necessary to have an authority in teaching the Bible to avoid heresies as is the further breaking down of Christianity to 40,000 denominations til this day. Only the Catholic Church can provide this authority and so honestly we should ne on communion with Rome as Christians.
If the RCC is teaching the truth, to whom did this prophecy apply? It was to happen after the death of the apostles. (Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves. Just wondering.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
1 Cor 3 I see the flawed works or of omission etc. Burned off in perhaps a moment of Divine humiliation but meaning here doesn't reveal being kept on porch of Heaven for time of being human torches purgating us and having to be prayed into Heaven.
I am a devout Catholic who has lived with a lot of Protestant relatives . I feel sad that they are ignorant about the theology on Purgatory and even go as far to ridicule those who pray for departed souls !
I'm similarly situated. It can be somewhat frustrating, so I just pray that they, as well as my Catholic relatives, just grow in the Spirit all the days of their lives. Because if they do, and the live long enough, they WILL become Catholic (because that is the FULLNESS of Earthly faith-practice).
I agree! Protestants CANNOT differentiate the difference of "Praying" FOR the dead vs. PRAYING TO THE DEAD, (NECROMANCY) as the falsely claim. The first is a humble request for the happy repose of our dearly beloved and the second on, (Praying TO the dead) is seeking information, a Mortal sin and strictly condemned by the Catholic Church.
@@jimmy5634 Unfortunately today, (2,000 years later) there are over 70,000 False, Man Made, Reformed, Protestant, Religions and Churches who have a log in their eyes protesting against the One and ONLY Catholic founded by Jesus Christ and the Apostles in 33A.D, because Protestants, DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST! Mt.16:18-19 says very clearly that Jesus founded HIS CHURCH, (CATHOLIC! St. Ignatius of Antioch, direct disciple of the Apostle John called it that in 107A.D.) AND PROTESTANTS DON'T BELIEVE THAT!
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Amen. I think this is the only part of the video that he spoke about purgatory. You may watch the whole video linked in the description. Here is another explanation from Catholic Answers - ua-cam.com/video/RI_wDopUaQw/v-deo.html
@@cherylyap2679 I understand 'Purgatory' as a process of final purification (for those who are saved & destined for Heaven, but didn't complete the sanctification process during their earthly life; because "nothing impure shall enter Heaven", as stated in scriptures); but I've noticed many of our Protestant (& even some Catholic) brothers & sisters misunderstand 'Purgatory' as a 3rd 'judgment place' in addition to Heaven & Hell! Now, I've pondered about the concept of PLACE. I thought TIME & PLACE no longer exist in the AFTERLIFE; & only our temporary world/earthly life is limited by TIME & SPACE. So, Catholics' belief about some souls having to spend some TIME in Purgatory before they are released into Heaven (& some Catholics even offer prayers & sacrifices to help shorten the TIME for the souls in Purgatory) is 'MIND BOGGLING'! I DON'T BELIEVE in the concept of shortening the TIME spent in Purgatory, although I've been raised a Catholic.
Truth & Love "Why is Purgatory A False Idea???" "It DENIES the SUFFICIENCY of Christ.!" 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔💜💜💜💔💔💔♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️👁️👁️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 1 John 1 vs 7 ".....and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from All sin." Hebrews 1 vs 3 3. "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the Word of his power, When he has by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;" When The High Priest Sits down, The Work is done. 🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🎺🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👁️👁️💜💔♥️ Rejoice in the Truth, always. I say again, Rejoice. Apostle Paul, by the will of God And a bondservant of the Lord Jesus Christ.😇😇😇
To describe certain relationships with the Catholic Church, I have used the letter 'C' to state three conditions. Talking to a Converted Catholic who was raised Baptist, she described me as a Cradle Catholic, since I was raised that way. I refer to myself as a Completed Catholic, since the Lord Jesus Christ found me, baptized me in His Spirit, and I have been growing in grace and the knowledge of Him. Learning truth in the Bible also sheds light on what is false. Many Catholic doctrines are not scriptural. At least 3 doctrines concerning Mary we can cite. The Catholic Church is more about Mary and the pope than Jesus. Jesus warned the scribes and Pharisees about teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (Mt. 15:9). Since hearing what others have said about Joe Biden, I can add two more 'C' conditions; a Cafeteria Catholic chooses what he will from that religion and discards the rest. Also, Corrupt Catholic can apply here and be extended to the evil priests, clergy and popes in history.
The Bible itself is another “doctrine” not in the Bible the Catholic church developed for the world. Dont forget that big one…🤷🏽♂ History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
“Today” you will be with me in paradise (not after some time in purgatory) (said Jesus to the thief on the cross who was not baptized and clearly had sin in his life).
Paradise is where Abraham was and the parable of Lazarus being in his bosum. Our Lord Jesus Christ had NOT ascended into Heaven so the gates of Heaven were NOT open at that time. You can see where the rich man asked Father Abraham to ask Lazarus to dip his finger in water and bring it to him....(Also proof of intercession from Holy/Saints from) Abraham DID NOT say he couldn't send anyone to warn the rich man's brothers...Abraham said it would do no good! Since Our Lord Jesus Christ had NOT ascended into Heaven, he went and preached to the Spirits in PRISON, 1Pt.3:19-20 who had DISOBEYED since the days of Noah...8 were saved in all!...These Spirits were in PURGATORY...NOT HELL AS PROTESTANTS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE...ONCE CONDEMNED, NO ONE COMES OUT FROM HELL!
No one is righteous and pure enough for heaven. If you believe you aren't saved only by faith you need to reread all scripture and put it together. We have to be purified from our sins . God is holy.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Roman Catholics invented purgatory, and made it official teaching in 1274. It was not something the Latin church taught for over 1,000 years after the death of Christ. Purgatory is not part of the Orthodox tradition.
@@patmelton43 Yes true ....anything other than Praying to Jesus alone , gives worship to satan , as satan has Many Faiths that follow him ,one way or another.
@@patmelton43 Yes they pray to Familiar Spirits and have many gods ,as medals ,items beads, Worthless man made Statues, satan speaks to them ,as he is Never Tested , God says to TEST the Spirit, for their protection against these things ,satan comes as A Bright Shining Angel even as Mary To Deceive...satan knows scripture and convinces them to play with beads , medals and alike to give him worship...
He is a smooth talker and very effective. The Jews were given the OT. They did not and do not hold Maccabees as scripture. Rome had the audacity to add this to provide support for purgatory. The fact that Jews prayed for the dead is not biblical evidence for purgatory. Also his interpretation from Paul is deeply flawed.
Dr.Scott Hann is just the one of the hundreds of thousands former staunch anti Catholic Evangelicals who converted to Catholicism .this yr in April another breaking record of Evangelicals who converted to Catholicism here in the US.there was even a contingent from Harvard University.its not just here ,but numerous former anti Catholic Pastors in Latin American countries,Philippines ,to name a few have also converted to HIS one and only Catholic church.Dr Hann exemplifies tha saying “ Protestant chuch gets the worst Catholics ,while Catholic church gets the best Protestant”. Shall people believe you or the thousands former anti Catholic Scriptual Scholars,Historians,Theologians,Pastors,Intellectuals ,to name a few ,who are now Catholic.Many more are following their footsteps. There have even Catholics,who became anti Catholic Evangelical Pastors ,who have now reverted to Catholicism.Some of these brilliant men and women of God took several yrs of intense studying for Christian truth and found it in the church they used to believe as whore of babylon,idolators,unbiblical and all other misconceptions and lies they had about Catholicism.read,read,read History and dig deeper!just to reiterate shall we believe you or them?
Maccabees was written after the Tanakh was established but they do read it The Jews pray FOR the dead (not to) because they are a little more intelligent about G-D than Christians are. The dead are dead. They haven't gone to heaven or torment or anywhere else. As the Bible is plain on the subject we "sleep" in the grave until the Day of Resurrection then after the Day of Resurrection comes the Day of Judgement. Read the Bible. Oh and one other thing, Paul was a false apostle. Acts chapter 1 verses 21 and 22 states the qualifications for an apostle and Paul NEVER had them.
The Jews that recognized Christ as the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, DID hold Maccabees as scripture: That's why this book is in the versions of the Bible used by the apostolic churches (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox) You want to follow the teachings of the Jews who were the bad guys in the Bible? Have at it. I agree, though, that praying for the dead is not direct evidence for purgatory. If you believe in purgatory, however, the practice supports that belief.
The only time I read Jesus pray for the dead was to raise them to life again. Completely different from praying their souls into heaven. That cannot be done. Remember the story of the rich man and Lazarus? There is a great gulf between and none can pass from one side to another.
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Actually, regarding the last part, wouldn't it be not adding or taking away since martin Luther technically took books out? Would this mean anything outside of the Catholic Bible would be adding and subtracting from scripture?
@@kevinhutchins4222 Please elaborate. Was the Holy Spirit only guiding one man and everyone else was not listening to the Holy Spirit? Martin Luther alone was the "chosen one" eh? Everyone else blind to what God wanted for the one thousand five hundred years of Catholic Christianity? Because to me it sounds like one priest started a heretical movement and now people hide behind the idea of "God told me so" to justify their non-authority. I can say the Holy Spirit led me to one thing, and you can say the Holy Spirit led you to another thing. What we're left with is this: 1. The Holy Spirit led us to separate paths a.k.a. contradicting truth claims. (So this is not a viable option.) 2. The Holy Spirit led one of us to the correct truth, and the other person was not guided by the Holy Spirit. (Which one of us is which then?) 3. Neither of us were directly guided by the Holy Spirit and we just made our own decisions without any direct influence/personal "revelation" from God. (Because let's face the fact that the Holy Spirit doesn't reveal things to us like we're prophets.)
@@kevinhutchins4222😂 and now there's approx 40 000 different Protestant denominations because they can't agree with one another.... every time the holy spirit speaks they start another denomination with a fancy name
Purgatory, a total contradiction of what Jesus did on the cross. His death cleansed our sins and His rightousness is imputed into us. Romans4. We can stand before God, based only on His rightousness, not ours or us suffering for our sins. Jesus did that. Scott Hahn knows better, but he has so sold his soul to a false and corrupt religious system, that he twist scriptures to make it fit his man made religion.
Purgatory does not contradict Jesus' work, if MANIFESTS it. Purgatory is basically just the final application of the Blood of the Cross to the justified believer, which thus completes his sanctification.
@@AmericanBerean If you are not saved when you die, there is no other way to be saved. Purgatory is a way of the devil telling man, "don't worry about it. You can work it out in purgatory." NOT
@@AmericanBerean Christ Died For Nothing in your eyes??? His words are meaningless to you??? You really believe that Christ Did not Die for you??? You Must be Born Again??? satan loves this idea...
@@AmericanBerean Why do you DENY the Grace of God? why do you make God to be a Liar?? What doctrine has taught you this? This is a Very Ancient Roman god traditions and customs that satan Loves to Hear , that Jesus Died in Vain and His Death was Pointless.
I used to believe in alternate dimensions that exist outside of time and space. I used to believe in souls (ghosts) and a communion of the holy dead. Six decades of observation and more recently critical thought tells me there isn't sufficient evidence such things exist. Belief is helpful in hopeless situations, but many people are hardwired to only believe with evidence and not feelings. Imagine if the afterlife were on trial, would the prosecution have enough evidence to prove its existence beyond a reasonable doubt? If so, present the evidence.
God has given us this life to repent and believe in Jesus Christ, who died for us and shed His precious blood for all those who wouldut third faith in Him. There are no do overs, sorry!!
Purgatory is not a do over, it is an act of mercy for those struggling to become a Saint. Also if we think we dont have to do any penance for the sins we commit means God does not deserve for us to show our love to Him by becoming a better person. Its that simple. If i knock over a glass and break it, its my duty to clean it up, it is that simple too. To think Jesus has to clean up our own mess completely throws away the Christian life which is to become like Jesus to work hard to become a Saint, go the extra mile like Jesus said.
@@TheJuddly Purgatory is not a do over, it is an act of mercy for those struggling to become a Saint. Every believer in the new testament church was called a saint. So as a believer you are a saint according to scripture. Also if we think we dont have to do any penance for the sins we commit means God does not deserve for us to show our love to Him by becoming a better person. Please explain penance as there is no punishment of the believer found in scripture . Yes there are consequences to our actions and they happen as we live. Its that simple. If i knock over a glass and break it, its my duty to clean it up, it is that simple too. To think Jesus has to clean up our own mess completely throws away the Christian life Jesus atones for our sins all of them We do not atone for any sin as Jesus is the only one who can. which is to become like Jesus to work hard to become a Saint, go the extra mile like Jesus said. A believer in Christ is a saint , and as a saint the duty to follow Christ and imitate Him is our goal.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 ok so let me ask you this. If I were to back in to you car with my car and do great damage to it, does it not make sense to help pay and fix your car, make insurance claim so they can help pay for it too, EVEN IF you forgive me?
@@TheJuddly There are consequences to our actions and yes we are liable for the damage even if forgiven , but when it comes to a spiritual condition we are not capable of fixing our problems and it is Jesus who atones for our unrighteousness, not us. Would you explain penance please? I can not find penance as something to do physically for a spiritual wrong ?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Jesus said you will not be out of prison til the last penny is paid. So we can pay for it on earth, more so now, purgatory is the prison Jesus was talking about. You do know that Martin Luther took out praying for the dead that was in Maccabees right? The Church created the true Bible, the Catholic Bible and Martin Luther took out 7 books…
I wonder why the sufferings and pains and death of Christ on the cross are hardly ever discussed when Purgatory is the subject. My objection to Purgatory, as a Protestant, has very little to do with “once-saved-always-saved.” Much more, I object to the idea that MY suffering can accomplish for me what CHRIST’S suffering cannot. The way I see it, if Christ’s pains are not enough to cleanse me from sin completely, then no amount of suffering on my part is going to compensate. It is an insult to the blood of Christ to say it is insufficient to save-that it requires my two-cent contribution of pain. What would my suffering in Purgatory accomplish? Is my guilt being punished? But Christ was already punished for my guilt. Is my sin being paid for? The death of Christ already paid for sin. Is my soul being cleansed? Isn’t the blood of Christ able to cleanse my conscience from every dead work? What need is there for Purgatory, then? It is laughable to suggest that my suffering would allow me to stand before God without embarrassment. If anything, it would make me more embarrassed. It is also a mistake to believe that anything less than eternal suffering on my part is enough for me to pay for even one little sin against God’s holiness. Neither my righteousness nor my suffering can ever make me worthy of heaven. Ever! Only Christ.
The misconception is that your sufferings and Christ's sufferings are somehow separate from one another. This is completely the opposite. It is in Purgatory that we're finally uniting ourselves with Christ's sufferings. We're truly aligning ourselves to be like Christ. Christ tells us himself to pick up our cross and follow him. That we will drink the same cup he does, he even warns the Apostles of this. "The way I see it, if Christ’s pains are not enough to cleanse me from sin completely, then no amount of suffering on my part is going to compensate. It is an insult to the blood of Christ to say it is insufficient to save-that it requires my two-cent contribution of pain. " If you're in Purgatory, you are already saved by the merits of Christ on the Cross. Your reward is eternal life in Heaven. Nothing is going to change that. The issue being though is that even though you acknowledged and accepted Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, you still had some attachment to sin when you died. That isn't because Christ failed to cleanse you. That's because you chose to dirty yourself and did not fully allow him to scrub you. Unless you want conclude that you died perfect and without sin. "It is laughable to suggest that my suffering would allow me to stand before God without embarrassment. If anything, it would make me more embarrassed." Why should you be embarassed other than it being an attack on your pride? The Apostles certainly weren't. They rejoiced in the fact that they were suffering in the name of the Lord, for the would share in His glory. "So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name." Acts 5:41 "But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.” Acts 9:15-16 "Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory." Romans 8:17 "For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God." 1 Peter 2:20 "For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. 6 If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation; if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings we suffer. 7 And our hope for you is firm, because we know that just as you share in our sufferings, so also you share in our comfort." 2 Corinthians 1:5-7 There's also an entire chapter in 2 Corinthians where Paul boasts in his own sufferings. "It is also a mistake to believe that anything less than eternal suffering on my part is enough for me to pay for even one little sin against God’s holiness. " You would be correct. For the wages of sins is death (Romans 6:23). For its only the merits of Christ that purchased for us the reward of eternal life. We're not Pelagianists. The sufferings we go through would be meaningless without Christ. "Neither my righteousness nor my suffering can ever make me worthy of heaven. Ever! Only Christ." Correct. We as Catholics agree with you. We said the same thing about Pelagianism.
@@Cklert thank you for your interaction. I do already understand all that you’re saying about purgatory. It still does not make any sense to me. You say that purgatory is me being more united to Christ and identifying with his suffering. However, the Bible never depicts any of that stuff as actually atoning for my sins! Only Christ’s suffering on the cross can accomplish that. His suffering paid for sins, and whoever trusts him is already worthy of heaven because of his work, full-stop. Conformity to Christ’s likeness is the goal of salvation, not the cause. It is a gracious gift to share in Christ’s sufferings, but that doesn’t save me or anyone. It doesn’t remove sin. It is a fruit of salvation-part of the gift. It is not part of the root. You say that I wold only be embarrassed by suffering in purgatory because it is a blow to my pride. But of course, that’s what embarrassment IS! A blow to one’s pride. That’s the very definition of embarrassment. So, why then did the original video insinuate that one purpose of our suffering in purgatory is so that we can stand before God without being embarrassed? I think it’s because you think I need to be PROUD of myself in order to stand before God! I need to be able to look at myself and be pleased with what I see! I need to be able to stand there at the end and say, Yup. I suffered enough. I’m good now. I was sufficiently punished for all my sins. Now I’m finally worthy to stand in God’s presence! Except I’m still not worthy. I never will be. That fact that I was purged in purgatory only proves that to be true. So, I’m still embarrassed after purgatory. Just more so now. The only solution is to look away from myself. I will never be worthy. A hundred billion years in purgatory will not change that. But the Lamb who was slain is worthy. And his righteous is more than enough for even me.
@@NomosCharis "You say that purgatory is me being more united to Christ and identifying with his suffering. However, the Bible never depicts any of that stuff as actually atoning for my sins! Only Christ’s suffering on the cross can accomplish that. His suffering paid for sins, and whoever trusts him is already worthy of heaven because of his work, full-stop. " We agree. The doctrine of Purgatory depends entirely on Christ's sacrifice. Perhaps I'm not being clear: *If you're in Purgatory, you have already been saved.* there is no maybe. Your reward is set and nothing will change that. Your soul is simply being prepared for perfection. As for the Bible never depicting that stuff. I'm sorry to say, that's incorrect. Hebrews 12:4-13 shows that God disciplines and gives us suffering to strengthen us against sin. That's why all the passages showcase the glory in suffering. "Conformity to Christ’s likeness is the goal of salvation, not the cause. It is a gracious gift to share in Christ’s sufferings, but that doesn’t save me or anyone. It doesn’t remove sin. It is a fruit of salvation-part of the gift. It is not part of the root." We agree, once again, *Purgatory is part of the gift of Salvation* it isn't a 'second chance to atone' it's simply the final process of sanctification that God gave us. He makes us perfect in this way. "You say that I wold only be embarrassed by suffering in purgatory because it is a blow to my pride. But of course, that’s what embarrassment IS! A blow to one’s pride. That’s the very definition of embarrassment. " Yes, and pride is a sin. It is dubbed "the queen of all sins." The opposite, humility, which is what Christ demonstrated. This is a non-sequitur. You cannot feel embarassment after Purgatory, because you would be in Heaven in the full Glory of the Lord. The fact that you were in Purgatory to begin with, proved that God did see you as worthy, not because of you or your merits obviously. But because you faithfully died in the Grace of Him. "So, why then did the original video insinuate that one purpose of our suffering in purgatory is so that we can stand before God without being embarrassed? I think it’s because you think I need to be PROUD of myself in order to stand before God! I need to be able to look at myself and be pleased with what I see! I need to be able to stand there at the end and say, Yup. I suffered enough. I’m good now. I was sufficiently punished for all my sins. Now I’m finally worthy to stand in God’s presence! " He's quoting 1 John: 2:28: "And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming." And I'm actually proclaiming the opposite of being proud. I didn't think I need to explain this, but when we're finally in the presence of God, all our sins will be revealed to us. The Truth will be revealed to us. We will be ashamed of them. What John is saying is that by remaining and following Christ, even his suffering, God humbles us, so that we bear no shame, no pride, and no attachment to our sins. "Except I’m still not worthy. I never will be. That fact that I was purged in purgatory only proves that to be true. So, I’m still embarrassed after purgatory. Just more so now. " Except, once again that's not how Purgatory works. It is fair to say that you're not worthy. We're ALL not worthy. But the fact that you were in Purgatory, means that God saw that you *were* worthy by His Grace. It is only through the inviation of Christ are we worthy. But to say that you will never be worthy is dangerously close to self-hatred and despair. Against Jesus message of Love and Hope.
Not so much an explanation as an analogy. An explanation would cover the facts, and Dr. Hahn doesn't; at least not in this video. The last word on the Catholic understanding of Purgatory is found in the documents of Trent, which establish five basic facts about it. 1. Purgatory exists. 2. Souls can go to Purgatory en route to Heaven if they aren't fully purified, but are not in a state of mortal sin. 3. The first purpose of Purgatory is to remove the stain of venial sin. 4. The other purpose of Purgatory is to apply the temporal punishment that's due for the person's sins. 5. Any other discussion of Purgatory beyond these basic facts is to be discouraged, because it often results in people being led astray.
No where in the New Testament does it say that we are called to pray the dead into heaven like they did in the Old Testament. Also 1 Corinthians 3 is not at all talking about purgatory. I suggest you read 1 Corinthians from the beginning to understand the context.
You didn’t listen to Dr Hahn. The translator of Biblical truth misses much if not a student of ancient languages. Protestants (I was a former evangelical) stand on their Bible’s which are incomplete. Listen to him again with an open mind and pray for revelation. Reading the early Church fathers began my journey back to Catholicism. May God open the eyes of your heart to the truth about church unity. REREAD JOHN 17:20-23. Disunity in these times when satan is attacking is not the time to quibble over jots and tittles.
They prayed for the dead because the dead are in the grave (nowhere else) until the Day of Resurrection. They didn't pray one "into" heaven because NO ONE goes to heaven or ever has or ever will. We resurrect on the New Earth.
The doctrine of Purgatory defeats the work of the Cross. John. 1:5:13.says ,I have written these things that you may KNOW that you eternal life. Salvation is not a guessing game.
Purgatory does not defeat the work of the Cross, it manifests it! it is the application of the Blood of the Cross for the last time to the believer. After someone is born again into God's family, he is saved. But then he still tends to sin, even if only in a thought. At the time of his death, a believer might be holding on to some sinful things. After death, then, the Blood of Christ is applied a final, completing time, purging the believer of all remaining attachments to sin and tendencies to sin, absolutely perfecting that soul for the rest of eternity. (Unless he's a martyr. That sacrificial action serves the purpose that Purgatory does.)
@@kenkeil9067 Yes, as you say, "Jesus forgives us of all our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness". At the time we are born again into His family, Jesus does remove Sin from us, both the Sin of Adam, and our personal sins. The Sin of Adam (aka 'Original' Sin) separated all humans from union with God. When we're born again, that separation is undone and all our personal sins are washed away. But we still suffer from the tendency to sin (ie, fleeting impure thoughts or desires, or undue anger, etc). We can't get into heaven if we still have that tendency to sin. That tendency to sin will ultimately be removed only after we die and are purged from it, so you can see that Purgatory is a merciful thing indeed.
Purgatory ? No such thing in scripture . Jesus died and rose from the dead in our behalf . Those who believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life . No need for purgatory non sense . Jesus said it is finished. Satan is a deceiver and is alive and well in the catholic cult
@@YiriUbic3793 If you read the scriptures you will see countless exhortations about how you are representing Christ as a believer. So do tell us how you repent , confess your sin to God , confess your belief in Christ Romans 10:9 and have the fruit of the Holy Spirit and go back to living in the world? What if we do sin? 1 John 2:1,2 Salvation is a gift that is Never taken away for any reason and the Holy Spirits seal upon the believer is Never removed for any reason. There are consequences to our actions and they happen here as you live.
Is there no a final destination that is not heaven. Some souls go to the new heaven and new earth where they will live eternally. Isn’t there a holding zone-heaven-before the new world.
Limbo was a terrible catholic lie. I come from a catholic family. My nan had to have her baby buried in unconsecrated ground because she was an unmarried mother. I don't believe in purgatory either. I believe in Jesus and his undying love for us to be saved.
Limbo was a theology opinion of some, but not all Catholics, and was not a doctrine, so can be accepted or not. Purgatory is a doctrine that cannot be changed, because God established that final purging process. It is a great merciful thing, because most of us children of God die with some lingering attachments to sin and need to have them purged, else we couldn't otherwise get into heaven. (That doesn't apply to un-repentant mortal sinners. Their destination is hell.)
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
As a Christian, l am confused by Dr. Hahn's arguements re Purgatory. As you know, GOD has sent numerous people to experience Heaven & Hell. And many have returned & wtitten books in great detail of their experiences. NONE of them to my knowledge has ever even mentioned the word Purgatory on their return. So how do you explain that? That explains my confusion! Surely one of them would experience Purgatory?...
Those who visited an afterlife and came back are not the teachers we should follow. Their experiences (called private revelations) might be helpful to some folks, but they're not the teaching authority. If someone feels they lead to contradiction with the Catholic doctrines, then those private revelations should be ignored. Lean on the constant teaching of 2000 years of the Christian Church. Private revelations are useful sometimes, but not the standard we use to learn the faith's doctrines. And never accept any private revelation if it hasn't been vetted, investigated, and approved by the Church leadership. Satan tries to fool us that way sometimes. Peace out.
Sheol is no longer in existence after the Resurrection. 2 Cor. 5:8 should nuke the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory, but... since when do they care about what the scriptures actually say? (1 Tim. 4:3).
Yes So true ....sadly it appears, to them Jesus was Lying, as they do not believe in His words. Today You Will be with ME in Paradise. .No mention of Purgatory ,which is Hell.
Gerry S. Oreilly I am not sure If you Understand Jesus and His words of Truth, I cannot question Jesus....Have you no understanding why Jesus said that to the Thief ? Jesus said to the thief that because of What ??? No guesses there... Because of the Thief's Faith and Belief . I know many are not allowed to understand the word of God , Years ago they were burnt at the stake for this, today through terrorism... READ and Understand the word of God People, satan Loves people being told they must not understand for themselves ...They are His.
It is a question of where the comma comes. Luke 23:42 Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” 43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.” Three days later Jesus was resurrected by God and was on earth giving instructions to his disciples. The earth is still not a paradise. That man would open his eyes when he is resurrected under Jesus' 1,000 year rule of this earth (Acts 24:15). It will be like a few moments ago that Jesus spoke to him. Even though thousands of years have passed. The dead have no time consciousness as they do not exist.
We are to be judged on a case to case basis by God. When all of Jesus' friends went hiding, abandoned HIM and only those few followers including Mother Mary remained with HIM, Jesus had the right to immediately pardon that thief who even though he saw Jesus whipped and spit on, the thief still believed Jesus' claim of HIS KINGDOM. That is definitely a very fair judgment on that thief.
There is no PURGATORY. YOU ARE RIGHT PLEASE PRAY FOR ME TO GET BACK I HA THE HOLY GHOST but went away Jews never believed in praying to the dead. Not TRUE
I think the verse says that if your work is burned you will be saved... does that not sound like purgatory?.... "If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, bbut only as through fire" 1Corinthians 3:15
@@jeffreyalilin7314 1 Cor 3:10-15 sin is not in question at all. What is in question is what you did with what Christ has given you. Salvation is a gift from God so what did you do with that gift did you keep quiet or did you tell people about it? When you have salvation and you see others in need do you ignore them or do you try to help? What have you done building on the foundation that Christ has provided. You do not build with sin so this passage has nothing to do with sin.
@@michaelhoerig4430 If you read God's written word to us you will see that when you repent and confess your sins to God , He removes ALL of your sins and forgives you totally. You enter heaven because of what Jesus has done atoning for all of your sins , the sins you can do nothing about in any way aside from confessing them and following Christ. We do not and can not atone for our sins.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement" Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
There is no purgatory. The Bible says that it is appointed once for someone to die, then comes the judgement. Scott presents well and is very intelligent. However, cursed are those who place their trust in people to lead them! Scott is not the embodiment of all truth. Christ said, "Shall the blind lead the blind? I tell you that both shall fall into a pit." I choose to follow Christ Who said that I should call no man 'father' or 'teacher.' That is because salvation is knowing God personally. Remember the words of Christ, that many will seek to enter heaven but only a few will be able to do so. Remember that: only a few Catholics and a few protestants will make it to heaven. Only a few! Your beloved leaders, probably, will not make it! That is because people stray from the Word of God. For example, referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me shall have rivers of living water (John 8.38)." Do you know the Lord? Are you seated in the heavenlies? Do you have the 'down payment' of the Holy Spirit, a taste of heaven? Does the Holy Spirit bear witness that you are a child of God (Romans 8.16)? If you are wondering if you are saved, you are probably not saved! For example, we are called the bride of Christ. Could you imagine a bride saying, "I think I am married, but I am not sure." Does the bride not talk with her husband in a two way conversation? That said, I do not have running conversations with God. However, every minute of every day, I am in sublime fellowship with Him. He has continually called me out of fleshly things (old movies, vain thoughts) into deeper fellowship with Him. In over 45 years, I have not doubted my salvation for even one second - not even for a second. That is because I am in continual friendship with Christ. Watch out for stained glass windows! Certainly they look pretty great and the is nothing wrong or sinful about them. However, do not be distracted by the pull of religious belief. Do not be so immersed in your religious rites that you miss fellowship with Christ! Jesus said, "This is eternal life, that you know God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent." If you are a Catholic and claim to know Christ, why, then, do you distort the gospel by adding so many qualifications to salvation? Is it true that knowing Christ is eternal life or is the 'more to it than that'? Is it true that "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)" or are you saying that Paul left some important points out? Is salvation a meeting with Christ and do you meet Him simply by asking? That is the gospel! Paul said, "Cursed be anyone who preaches a different gospel." Woe to you if you add anything to the simplicity of the Bible. If you choose to ignore the Bible in place of your man-made 'traditions,' may the blood be on your own head! I have shown you the gospel truth! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Spot on! Christ’s message is a simple one. We try to show how smart we are by inventing complexities. One is a Christian or one is not. I don’t care which particular ‘brand’ you promote, and I despise the elitism that goes with it.
Ken Shiloh , I agree.. . also We Must remember , that ( having a Catholic Neighbour) they must not have a relationship with Christ and get in too deep, she only has the Old Testament. it is a Christians duty to help direct others to Christ, we cannot save them ,only the power of the Holy Spirit can, they, I believe do not Understand the words of Jesus....You Must Be Born again , sadly. I sympathise with them as their doctrine it appears ,will not let them see the Truth in the words of the Living God. Let alone praying Direct to Jesus, only through someone else... and many gods they use, medals, items, man made statues and much more , it is Very Sad, they do not understand Why Jesus came and died, and sadly more so . Gods Grace is for all.
Thank you, Dr. Scott Hahn, for the very simple clarification. It's easy to understand and helps us Catholics to explain the same to the others using your simplicity. It's a gift, Dr. Hanh from God. Prayers!!!
You catholics better read the Bible for yourself! Purgatory does not exist in the Bible, it's an invention of the evil Vatican, the whore of Babylon. Read the Bible for yourself: the saved people will go to heaven with JESUS, the lost into hell and later into the Lake of Fire. Listen to real theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg and check out the Jack Chick Gospel Tracts!
When I face anti-Catholicism I just continue loving the person and loving Christ. I remind myself that God's will is the only will that matters; only God's opinion of me matters.
God's will, yes.
but will you love him if you are wrong?
Jesus tells many who he tells I never knew you who claim him.
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Jesus never knew me because he don't exist
@@lutkedog1 he most assuredly does
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From my years of Bible studies finding that not a single person or historian seen said Jesus wrote about said Jesus and his Magic show of healing, and Feeding multitudes, supposedly a lot people watching Jesus walk on water.and nobody wrote about it.
What i am saying that there was no eyewitness accounts of Jesus, this is Christianities dirty secret and nobody to date has proved me wrong, but they report me so i cannot reply back, like christians are sickos.
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Funny nobody wrote about Him when he was said to be on earth.
I recently converted to Catholicism after nearly 49 years as a Protestant. I started out as a Southern Baptist at age 11, and then became an Episcopalian in my 20's. I was baptized in the Holy Spirit when I was 18. I am grateful to the Anglican Communion, as that is where God revealed to me the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist...at a time when I, too, was anti-Catholic (and especially anti-Real Presence). I went to a Christian college (Asbury University) where I was exposed to several different Protestant denominations. Many Protestants think they will not be judged after death, but I have always believed in the "Believer's Judgment" (2 Cor. 5:10), as many Protestants do. St. Paul said we will all sit before the Judgment Seat of Christ...not to determine whether we're saved or not, but what we have done, both good and bad. I never thought of that as a reference to purgatory, but it makes sense. We will have both reward and punishment, and our place in Kingdom of Heaven will be established, whether greatest, or least, or somewhere in between.
You were never a good and faithful Protestan, you was a uneducated individ that moved from a religion to another not because you were looking for the truth but because you were uneducated in the Bible teachings. Probably you never read the entire Bible for front to back.You were looking for a religion that tickle your ears and to make you fill good about yourself.
Welcome home to the only church founded by Jesus Christ. Please ignore the rude remark by the Protestant. I was Protestant for 55 years and history is on the side of the Catholic Church. God bless you.
Purgatory is only for believers who are destined for heaven. It's for the final purification, because 'nothing impure shall enter heaven' (Revelation 21:27). All practising Christians (Catholics & Protestants) believe in 'sanctification', the process to become more Christ-like, which is required of all disciples of Christ. "Be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" (Matt 5:48). It's a lifelong process & few people will be that perfect when they die; so this sanctification process may continue after death for some Christians, before their souls finally enter heaven. Concerning our fate for eternity, it's either only heaven or hell. Purgatory is temporary, & only for those going to heaven.
@@RosalindToh That's my understanding, as well. Thank you, Rosalind!
@@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch My conclusion exactly! Thank you!
It's sad how there's so many adults in the comments that cannot have the attention span to sit through a short video and instead, through their emotional impulses, scream and kick and use strawmans and anti Catholic venom in the comments
You write truthfully.
Dr. Hahn, you are a modern day St. Paul :) I thank God for giving you the wisdom and the revelations that have changed the hearts and lives of Catholics like me. God bless you! You are loved and prayed for.
@@Takashitadori read your bible n don't believe the words of man
@@dannyboy6598 Thank you for your concern 😊 I don’t go by the words of men…The Holy Trinity is everything- the beginning and the end for me. But, I will say this that when some people speak - whether it’s Scott Hahn or the priest who is giving the Sunday sermon - and the Spirit moves within me, I know it’s true.
@@Takashitadori you don't go by the words of men. V good. Now pls enlighten me.
Pls show me proof tht Mary was conceived sinless. The dogma of the imm conception of the Cath church. Mary was born before Jesus n the Cath church did not exist then. Pls tell me who from the magisterium of the RCC was around at the time of Mary's conception to authenticate the imm conception. Fact is, no one. Also for the dogma of Mary's assumption. No one. If U don't hv the proof for these dogmas, then it's not from the holy trinity. It's from men from the vatican n also from the devil. So U reject things from men but accept things from the devil?
If no proof, then it's a lie from men n Jesus said lying is of the devil jn 8.
So pls prove me wrong n show me evidence it's from the holy spirit.
So when Mary says to the visionaries at fatima DEVOTION TO MY IMMACULATE HEART, now U know it's not from Mary. The demon behind this voice speaks.
Now U know tht it's all lies n fairy tale 1.2 bil caths are believing
Shared this with someone who asked the same question-thank you!
Beautiful explanation of purgatory. A lot can be learned from Scott Hahn, and the Church is greatly benefiting from his influence.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
It is very difficult to convince any Protestant, or at least the ones I know. They seem to demand to see the EXACT wording in the Bible - in this case "Purgatory" - or it may be Confirmation or Confession. I try to explain that many doctrines are derived, from principles, eg Jesus gave the authority to forgive sins, he didn't use the word "confession". Then the counter-argument would be "that was only to the apostles". Then my counter-argument will be "if the power was extinguished with the apostles, then so was the Great Commission to preach to the whole world". On top of all that, these guys are reading modern English Protestant translations, and we know many words have been changed, like "tradition". And so it goes round & round in circles. I give up, not because I don't care for people, but unless they are willing to go back to the Greek and Latin (which I don't know, but the Early Church Fathers would explain from there), I have found zero progress.
"I have found zero progress", you say. But, fret not. There's a good chance that you planted a bug in their mind that will manifest later. One data point, that along with other data points they may have heard, or will hear, will lead them to realize the veracity of Catholic doctrine. Keep on truckin', bro.
Well you have an advantage as you don't believe the bible to be complete and as a roman Catholic you have been taught that the church is the authority and not the bible.
purgatory is the state in which the individual atones for the sins that were unconfessed and un repented of in a stage between earth and heaven.
Odd that 1 Peter 2:24 points out that Jesus has atoned for all the sins of the believer?
You do not find any teaching by anyone in the scriptures about this . Heb 9:27 appears to state the opposite of what you accepted.
@@AmericanBerean Amen. Seeds take time to grow.
People rarely change their minds on big topics in one conversation.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Yes, Jesus has atoned for all sins of all time of all people, BUT, that atonement is not a blanket forgiveness of everyone's every sin ever, but it is atonement in principal and is applied only when a person repents and confesses and desires reconciliation with God. Most of us will die without having been perfected in this life, having some lingering attachments to a sinful thing or two, so those last dredges of sin will be removed by the Blood of Jesus after we die, so we can be finally and fully sanctified in order to get into heaven. That is Purgatory.
The problem is that you don’t believe the Bible. Your refer to other works that we don’t recognize
I feel like the Earth is purgatory.
I was recently 'corrected' by the Holy Spirit. I was once very critical of the Catholic Religion but I was stopped and reminded that you don't have the standing to be critical of anything. My task is to draw and direct people to Jesus not to be correcting anything. Isiah 48 verse 10 -11.
@@waynecornell-w5u He released those who could not have known him
It is for many people.
@@Dbusdriver71What do you mean the Catholic " religion ". Catholicism is not a separate religion . Catholicism is Christianity and we Cathomics are followers and worshippers of the LORD Jesus Christ just the same as any other Christian.
@@mynameisGail Jesus doesn't want us to practice religion. He wants a relationship with us one on one via the Holy Spirit. There is nothing between him and us anymore. Our bodies are many temples. There is only one high priest now.And that is Jesus. This was the point of my post.
The suffering is the separation of our souls/spirits from God as we purify. We will be utterly burning in the pain of our desire to reunite with Him who created us.
@trollpatrol7215 Yes, and along with that, when a person finds themself in that purging process, an immense joy of knowing with infallible certitude that they will see God face to face!
If you suffer for your sins in a flame then the cross of Christ is of no effect to you, you are trying to enter through another door, but Jesus says, " I am the door by me if any man enter in he shall be saved." Jesus died for your sins, if you have to pay even one penny for your sins then you deny the cross, you make the blood of Jesus ineffective in your life, no one will see God except through the blood of the cross, no one.
@trollpatrol7215 sounds like you have no idea of what a believer in Christ who is not a roman Catholic actually believes.
You have heard and parroted.
@@alfran03 Yes, Jesus died to save us from eternal fire... Purgatory is only a waiting place of purification, in other words, you can still be saved and have to enter into purgatory. Once you are fully holy in the eyes of the lord, then you can enter his kingdom.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Great explanation. My dad just died and I am trying to learn all I can about purgatory.
Learn all you can about salvation and focus on Christ as God's word tells you in Heb 12:2 Hebrews 9:27 points to no place for a clean up that purgatory claims. You are either in Christ and He in you or you are an unbeliever. Heaven or hell no final place for you to atone for sins when it is Christ who already atoned for your sins once and for all.
Purgatory is not of God, it's man's invention. Get a bible and throw out that crap called the catholic Bible.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 sez "Heaven or hell no final place for you to atone for sins when it is Christ who already atoned for your sins once and for all."
You are 100% correct in this. And this doesn't rule out post-death completion of a believer's sanctification through the final application of the Blood of the Cross to the person. That's all Purgatory is, it is a process, not a place. It is the last stage of a believer's sanctification, for those who die with some lingering attachments to sin. (This excludes un-repented mortal sins. Purgatory is not a second chance. Our life on Earth is our only chance.)
@@AmericanBerean Interesting how you agree with 1 Peter 2:24 and then state
for those who die with some lingering attachments to sin.
Christ atoned for every sin and there are no lingering sins . Purgatory is man made and contradicts the complete atonement for all of our sins.
I am completely sin free in the eyes of God , yet I sin every day . I am still sin free in the eyes of God because Jesus has atoned for every sin I have done , am doing , or will do.
I am righteous because of Christ, I have the gift of salvation through faith, I do not depend on works to supplement my salvation , and I try to do the works that God created me for Eph2:10
Romans 7 speaks about sin and it is repeated twice to get your attention. Interesting because I thought it was me who was sinning and could not stop no matter how much I tied to.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 "I am completely sin free in the eyes of God , yet I sin every day . I am still sin free in the eyes of God because Jesus has atoned for every sin I have done , am doing , or will do."
Yes, Jesus dies for ALL our sins... when we're born again into God's family, we are a clean slate. Our rebirth removed the primary effect of Adam's Sin (eternal separation from God), and forgave us of all our past sins, if any. But we still bear the secondary effects of that original Sin (weakened will, disordered desires, inhibited intellect), collectively known as concupiscence, the tendency to sin. So, as children of God, we can still sin and we're not forgiven those present and future sins until we commit and repent of them. If we don't repent of whatever sin, we are not forgiven of it. So, if we die in that state of unrepented venial sin, we'll be finally purified in the process of Purgatory before we can get into heaven. In the case of a mortal sin (deliberate commission of a "sin unto death", as John puts it), we lose our salvation, until such time as we repent of it and confess it for forgiveness. If a child of God is in a state of mortal sin, he has separated himself from God, and if he dies unrepentant, he is bound for Hell. (That is the "unforgivable sin" Jesus spoke of in Matthew.)
Jesus' Sacrifice was not a blanket forgiveness of all believers' sins of all time. That is a new and novel idea, from the 16th century or later, amounting to a doctrine of man.
Thank you, it was informative and helpful to expand Catholic knowledge of the scriptures.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
One thing about the church and purgatory (which I believe in) is why do they emphasize that are sins are forgiven and Jesus "forgets" them. Mother Angelica told the story of Jesus telling a saint the sin was like a droplet in the ocean and another saint said he told her to tell someone testing her, who asked what his last confession was, "he forgot". I understand the teaching but then why are the remembered later or at the end of time? I will ask my priest when he's not busy but it always seemed contrary in a way. I get why we need "cleaning" for sure, but the forgotten part, not as much.
When I read the passage from 1 Cor 3 I am reminded of Jesus’ parable of the sheep and the goats. Things aren’t as simple as using baptism as a free pass to heaven. If we don’t have great love, as Jesus loves, then what little we have done for Jesus is pointless and in the end will be burned up/thrown out/etc, even if we will still be saved because of Jesus Christ’s gift of salvation. Like the servant with the 1 talent, if we a lousy job with the gifts that God has given us then he will give what little he first gave us to someone else and let us in the back door to heaven while those who sacrificed much and loved much will be welcomed with fanfare into the front gates. (Of course there are varying degrees of the above and everyone is judged only by God)
And why do we need purgatory?… Everyone who is saved but is not ready for heaven needs purgatory. Think of it as showing up at the biggest celebration of the century in the biggest city of the world with a red carpet entryway and cameras flashing, celebrities being interviewed and people going in one by one. Then you show up and you realize that you hadn’t showered or shaved in weeks, you smell, your clothes are filthy, and you have no shoes. What’s more, you were just mugged and you’re battered and bleeding. It’s clear you aren’t presentable enough to go into the party and aren’t even healthy enough, even if you could manage to clean yourself up. So you get cleaned up and check yourself into a hospital and wait for the healing process to complete. Now, most of us are not ready for heaven. EVEN if we had recently gone to confession we still have what is called a “temporal inclination to sin”. In other words, our will is not automatically and habitually inclined toward loving God completely. To shed that inclination is difficult. It’s painful.
I find it unfortunate that so many Christians get into such heated debates over the saved/not-saved/purgatory issue when much of that can be avoided if we would all look at it with logic. When we die we don’t stop being human. God won’t just run ramshod over our personalities if he has been so patient with us while we are alive. That would be like taking away His gift of free will. If He wanted to do something like that then why didn’t he just free us from our sinful inclinations at our baptism? Then we would only have to deal with external temptations from evil, like He did. He didn’t create us as robots. He made us as intellectual beings, in His own image, to live in relationship with Him for eternity.
So,what’s my take? God please purify me now and help me to love you as you love me…because I’d rather not have to be purified later, and I DEFINITELY don’t want to miss the chance of loving you or any of your creatures while I am able.
Interesting read. As Christ has forgiven every sin and we are perfect in the eyes of God because of what Christ has done there is no need to do a final clean up in purgatory..
Everyone who is saved but is not ready for heaven needs purgatory.
. Flaw found . You are saved and washed in the blood of the lamb, you are sanctified and justified as 1 Cor 6:11 points out in the past tense As flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of God , we are not able to make ourselves clean on this planet. Christ has done that completely already the moment you repent , confess your sins , get baptized , confess the Lord to others, you are completely sin free in the eyes of God.
Think of it as showing up at the biggest celebration of the century in the biggest city of the world with a red carpet entryway and cameras flashing, celebrities being interviewed and people going in one by one. Then you show up and you realize that you hadn’t showered or shaved in weeks, you smell, your clothes are filthy, and you have no shoes. What’s more, you were just mugged and you’re battered and bleeding. It’s clear you aren’t presentable enough to go into the party and aren’t even healthy enough, even if you could manage to clean yourself up. So you get cleaned up and check yourself into a hospital and wait for the healing process to complete.
Yes and what you seem to miss here is the Lord cleans and heals the person before he walks into the celebration. A different story if the person is not a believer.
Now, most of us are not ready for heaven.
On our own , no we are not ready for heaven . With Christ in our lives then we are ready for heaven Col 2: 9-15
EVEN if we had recently gone to confession we still have what is called a “temporal inclination to sin”.
Romans 7: gives you a valid clue to what sin is and we die as sinful people but spiritually we are alive in Christ.
In other words, our will is not automatically and habitually inclined toward loving God completely. To shed that inclination is difficult. It’s painful.
And it happens here while you live as after you die Heb 9:27 does not give you a third option.
@Troll Patrol read the scriptures I have supplied in the previous comment as the scriptures / God's written word has all the authority.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 I agree.
Long winded nonsense.
I agree. You can't just go to heaven as is. You have to purge yourself of your earthly ways and connections before you move on.
Thank you for explaining this so well.
The reason the Lord came down is to save the sinner that whoever believes in him will be saved. So he also made it known that he came to implement the word of God accordingly and not through man's tradition. So did he brought the thief with him who humbled himself, absolutely yes. Remember after death comes judgement, nothing in between.
We Catholics believe that. There is only one judgement, one. But the outcome of the judgement is not always go free or be condemned to the death penalty. Sometimes it's stay in jail until you pay the last penny; then, after you pay your debt, go free.
Protestants only see go free or die.
Yes, after death we are judged. if we died in the friendship of God, we are judged to be able to get into heaven. But if we have some lingering attachments to sin, He will finish sanctifying us before we get into heaven, because only perfectly pure people can be there. If we die in a state of rebellion (ie unrepented mortal sin), we are judged accordingly and won't get into heaven.
@@mariasoniamoreno3433 Ok so you believe this , why? what basis do you put your beliefs on?
Scripture is clear that there is the great white throne judgment fo all of man kind and there is the Bema seat of Christ for all believers. So in a way you are correct , one judgement . If you are a believer that judgement is found in 1 Cor 10-15 , where we are judged on what we did with what Christ gave us to build upon the foundation of Christ. As a believer you will never go near the great white throne judgement.
Yes, he confessed and repented of his sin. And he paid his time in purgatory on the cross
@@mariasoniamoreno3433Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
A thought about ‘Purgatory’: at the point of my death I will be a human person with my identity, character, personality, knowledge, will all at some level of perfection/ imperfection. My hope is that God will grant me eternal life with Himself. If I die today, I vividly realize that the current state of my person (identity, character, personality, knowledge, will, etc) is most definitely NOT the state I want to be in throughout eternity. So, I’m going to have to change - i.e. be perfected. If I am really close to perfect right now, like 98-99% - then I suppose God can just miraculously zap away the last smidgeons of my imperfection, and I’d still be able to recognize that I’m still ME. But if - as is so so very much more likely the case - my perfection level is somewhere far far FAR lower than 98%, then an instantaneous miraculous zapping would result in such a radically different ME that I would be unlikely to even recognize myself. So, I think that for I-MYSELF to be saved, sanctified, and prepared for eternal life then I-MYSELF must go through the change in all its necessary aspects. My ‘selfhood’, my ‘identity’, my ‘character’, my ‘personality’, my ‘will’ must grow through the process - otherwise I wouldn’t recognize the perfected me as being ME. It would be some stranger who goes on to eternal life, and not really ME. To remain ME, then I-MYSELF need to experience the changing, the perfecting, the purifying, the ‘purging’. Anyway, I am a believer who once considered Purgatory just plain silly, but who now thinks of Purgatory as yet another very loving and encouraging gift of the Lord’s merciful kindness.
JESUS PAID IT ALL ON THE CROSS! YOU CAN’T ADD TO THE FINISHED WORK OF THE CROSS. READ YOUR BIBLE!
@@ph50493 I agree 100 percent! BUT, please try to understand Purgatory as a phase of the Lord’s merciful plan to lift us up and share His eternal life with us. Purgatory has nothing to do with us doing ‘works’, but rather with us receiving His gift of purification. Of course, people who are actually PERFECT at the point of their death won’t need the gift of purification, but the imperfect among us certainly will. Also the Scriptures are given by the Lord to His Family - to reveal Himself to humanity, to promise, to thrill, to remind, to admonish, to inspire prayer and relationship - but the Bible is not intended as a source book for the practice of amateur theology.
What happened to the "Good Thief" who Jesus said today you will be with me in paradise?
Saint Dismas is in paradise with Christ.
@@ericlammerman2777 I never saw the thief's name mentioned. Where is that?
That thief had faith and repented before he died, if it’s the one I’m thinking of.
@@mschmidt1645 Yes,
Jesus will not Lie, Today You will be with Me in Paradise... ( The Thief alone would , do many thousands of Years, according to some who make up this sentencing in this world, Worse they believe they can be set Free on Saturdays If Mary sees them wearing some Cloth ) total Blasphemy
He is still in a nonexistent state. He will be resurrected under Jesus 1,000 year rule of this earth (Acts 24:15).
When he opens his eyes he will find himself in paradise. It will be like a few moments ago Jesus made that promise to him. Even though many thousands of years have passed.
He typically built a whole doctrine on a metaphor used by Paul of those who would loose their works and be saved as of through fire.
So, he used 1 Cor ch 3, at vs 13, the KJV translators take us to 1 Peter 1:17 to better understand the word fire, and it clearly shows us this is prior to death, and not in any afterlife;1 Peter 1:7That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ. And also to Luke 2:35; to show how the fire will be revealed;35(Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. And finally Hebrews 9:7 shows there is no biblical purgatory as described; Hebrews 9:27 KJV - And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Now in the Old Test. The souls of the Saints were in rest awaiting the Messiah to fulfill the Jonah (3 days 3 nights in the heart of the earth)prophecy and Jesus did go into Sheol and led captivity captive. There is a good place of rest, Abrahams bosom, and a bad place of rest until judgement, Luke 16.23, or under the Lords throne Rev 6:9, but there is no scripture that says we can change our judgement in this place. Jesus commands all men to repent or perish Luke 13.3, and you do not get the Holy Spirit until you obey the entire gospel Acts 5.32, and John 14.21. Paul's writings are also commandments 1 Cor 14.37. And we must be born again of the spirit, or regenerated, circumsized the heart as Paul said, before we leave this earth. Only the Sanctified or Holy will see the Father Hebrews 12.14 and Jesus by his one offering,HE perfected forever the Saints, or born again Christian's Hebrews 10 14. The first words of our Lords earthly ministry were Repent and obey the gospel, Mark 1:15. Also, Jesus said most beleivers will not enter into the Kingdom, Matt 7.21, 1 Pet 4:18, and Matt 7:14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it. FEW! Jesus did not teach purgatory in his gospel. Jesus is Lord. AMEN.
Bless you , this is True words of God AMEN
This is hands down, the absolute best, most clear explanatory definition of what is meant by "purgatory." Thank you Scott !!!
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Excellent as usual, thank you, Dr. Hahn!
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
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Most go to purgatory. Only people in perfect grace not in sin go straight to heaven. Many saints. It is A blessing a gift from. God .
No such thing, all Christians are saints and God's grace is perfect for all believers
@@Joseph-e9p1x So you're of the opinion that Hitler is in Heaven?
everybody is in sin, the bible says that all people are "wretched sinners".
All believers are saints.God purifies us on the cross. Paul said that after all he is an unprofitable servant. Our works are burnt up but we are saved by the skin of our teeth. Christ has put away all sin forever. Are you saying that Christ’s work on the cross is insufficient for salvation? The argument must answer this question. Otherwise why the cross?
@@tedprice5828 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the LAWLESS and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen. (2 Peter 3:15-18)
Thank you Professor
I am a born Catholic. I recently posted on a Catholic you tube channel about praying with my blessed St Benedict medal before going to sleep at night, and how effective it was at keeping Satan away.
I received a reply from someone who told me to "turn away from my idols and pray to Jesus". This person was most likely a non Catholic. It pains me to see how some other non Catholic Christian sects bash the Catholic church!
Yes, and mostly because they don't really understand some of the doctrines and practices, such as using blessed prayer tools, aka sacramentals, as you do. They don't understand that we are not worshiping that object but only using it to enhance our worship of God. Now, someone who doesn't feel they need such help, that's fine, they don't HAVE to use these optional devotions.
No one is a born Catholic. Catholics must make the decision for themselves whether to accept the substitutionary sacrifice of Jesus for all of our sins or remain as the common man with it's consequences. Acts 2:38 can not apply to any baptized baby as if that takes away any sin.
As to medals ? Late invention not found in the early church along with the rosary , brown scapular , or any other trinkets that the superstitious would use.
Heb 12:2 tells who we are to focus on
imitate Christ EPH 5:1
The weapons of our warfare are found in Eph 6:10-18
You might notice that medals, the rosary , and scapulars are not mentioned !
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 let me rephrase that - I was born into a practicing Catholic family; and I chose to remain in it. Sacramentals are part of the Catholic faith. Would you criticize a Jew for wearing a special prayer shawl and cap?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Regarding your reference to Acts 2:38, saying baptism doesn't take away sin, Infant Baptism is the sign of God adopting that child as His own. As Paul points out, it is the sign of the New Covenant, as circumcision was the sign of the Old (Col2:11-12). Now, under the Old Covenant, they didn't have the Grace which Jesus provides for us in the New Covenant, so that now the sign of the Covenant actually conveys the Sactifying Grace which washes away the primary effect of Adam's Sin (which is everlasting separation from God), making the recipient Justified and Sanctified. (for an adult, his personal sins are also washed away). (Sins after baptism are another matter for another discussion, but suffice to say repentance and confession allow Grace to heal us then).
@@AmericanBerean Baptism does not remove sins at all ,it is symbolic of the death and resurrection of our lives dying to sin and being raised in new life as a new creation of God. Baptizing a baby to remove original sin sounds pious but has no basis in scripture. Every baptism found in the new testament involves a decision made by the individual. Babies are not capable of sin , repentance, confession of sin , or confession of faith in the savior.
Sin is atoned for by Jesus 1 Peter 2:24
So why would you look to objects to provide protection for you from satans attacks when the scriptures point you to Eph 6:10-18 and not to objects?
This was helpful. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you Dr Hahn, God bless you🙏
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
@@ingridprior1337 it is not a second chance. Revelation 21:27: “But nothing unclean shall enter it…” The New Jerusalem - Heaven. Catholic Scriptural Principle #2 - nothing unclean, nothing with the stain of sin, will enter Heaven. Hence we need to be purified in purgatory 🙏
@@christinemcguiness9356 Jesus told the thief on the cross that he will be with Him in paradise the same day. If paradise is purgatory, why is Jesus going there too?
1Corinthians 1:30
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God-that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
@@ingridprior1337 In Christian theology, Hades (paradise) is seen as an intermediate state between Heaven and Hell in which the dead enter and will remain until the Last Judgement. Jesus went there to free these souls , and opened the gates of heaven 🙏
@@christinemcguiness9356 1 Th 4:16-17 KJV ...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Thus, no purgatory
The best description I have heard.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
The Holy Spirit is certainly with this man.
No He isn’t
based on his belief that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was not sufficient , Scott Hahn is not cooperating with the Holy Spirit in presenting the gospel of our Lord, but the gospel according to the roman Catholic church.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 "Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ's afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church," (Colossians 1:24)
I don't think the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was not sufficient for the salvation of sinners. My understanding was that He offered us the opportunity to suffer with Him on the cross in love (vicariously through our life's sufferings), so that we could be more fully incorporated into the eternal love of the Holy Trinity. Certainly His sacrifice was more than enough, (infinitely so), but it is in His desire to be in relationship with us in the midst of our sin-torn life that He afforded us this opportunity to suffer with Him.
And how lucky I am that this is the case, for now my suffering has meaning. What once was a death knell, sounding into the deep of my wounds, tempting me to despair, is now a clarion call of hope; for I am desired even in my sin and pain and suffering. I am called to struggle with Christ through it all, not allowing sin to characterize the deepest part of my heart, but rather Christ's call to crack open my smelly heart and pour it over Him, so that His infinite healing power can flow through me, and I can draw near to Him on the cross, and sin no more.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Addition... Revelation 22: 18-19; If anyone adds any word to the living Word of God; God will punish them with the plagues, it describe in His Holy Word. And anyone take away what is in God's living Word; God will, take away from them the tree 🌳 of life and from His Holy City 🙏 😳 🎉
We are saved by Grace through faith alone, good works are the result of our faith in God.
That isn't biblical; but whatever.
@@ericlammerman2777 Marcos is absolutely right. If we could have saved ourselves, Jesus would not have had to die.
@@patmelton43 This is a incorrect understanding of historical Christianity. Nobody has ever argued the contrary, only had there been a wrong understanding of what the True Church of the past 2,000 years believes.
@@KyleVaughan1996 The true church has no name because Jesus Christ is the head of His church and we the brethren are his body with each having his/her purpose. The hand may not say to the foot, "I have no need of thee..."
@@patmelton43 “See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.”
Written by Ignatius of Antioch, a direct disciple of John the Evangelist…
you may also read here about purgatory
www.catholic.com/tract/purgatory
We get saved by having faith in the completion of the blood sacrifice and resurrection of Jesus Christ that covers our sins. We have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, by His grace.
The works of men will not save you so no one can brag about themselves.
Purgatory doesn't exist.
When you die, how do you know you have no remnants of sin? You may not get the chance for a last repentance.
@@patriciajohnson1894Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Hebrews chapter 9 verse 27 for it is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgment
I understood purgatory as a Protestant. I understand purgatory even better as a Catholic. It's sad that many Protestants would rather argue than ask God for His truth. That's what I did before converting to Catholicism
So regale us with the convincing truth about purgatory and prove from scripture that it is true?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072
Read 2 Maccabees 12:39-46
While it's not in most Protestant Bibles, it's been a part of the original Bible and all Catholic Bibles since about 397AD. It was the Old Testament that the Apostles quoted from.
Matthew 12:30-32 (RSV2CE): 30 ¶ He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31 ¶ Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.† 32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
Here, Jesus is talking about the forgiving of sins. You cannot be forgiven in hell and there is no sin in heaven so obviously Jesus is talking about somewhere else where sins are forgiven. Obviously He's talking about purgatory
You should know that Christianity is not based on only what is found in the Bible but what God has taught us through His Word, found in both oral traditions and written traditions. While I used to be a Bible only Protestant, the Word of the Lord came to me and showed me I was in error. Satan can deceive others and I was deceived many years by being in a Protestant church. Protestantism isn't from God even though members profess love for our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 2:15 (RSV2CE): 15 ¶ So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
@@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch
Read 2 Maccabees 12:39-46
Ahhh yes the chosen verses to presnt praying for the dead , not found anywhere else in scripture ! So maybe you should read the context of 2 Maccabee's 12:?
Purgatory has no basis in scripture and when you take a bit of time read up on all the verses used to convince you of purgatory ,and then make sure that the context of those verses prove what the cherry picked verses are correct? 2 Maccabee's 12 :
1. who died
2. why did they die?
3. who killed them ?
4.did they repent of their sins before they died ?
5. Was Judas correct in praying for them to attain godliness?
Now find in the new testament where un repentant sinners get prayed into heaven?
Matthew 12:30-32 (RSV2CE): 30 ¶ He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31 ¶ Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.† 32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
The context is showing you that Blasphemy is the main subject and it will not be forgiven in this age or the one to come , not now not ever. There is no forgiveness of sins unless asked for / repented of and the new testament is quite clear on the matter.
Here, Jesus is talking about the forgiving of sins. You cannot be forgiven in hell and there is no sin in heaven so obviously Jesus is talking about somewhere else where sins are forgiven. Obviously He's talking about purgatory
So your conclusion does not include life on earth where you confess your sins and God removes all your sins and Jesus atones for all of your sins.
You should know that Christianity is not based on only what is found in the Bible but what God has taught us through His Word, found in both oral traditions and written traditions.
Yes the roman Catholic teaching so that scripture is shown to be unreliable as truth and must be supplemented!
While I used to be a Bible only Protestant, the Word of the Lord came to me and showed me I was in error. Satan can deceive others and I was deceived many years by being in a Protestant church. Protestantism isn't from God even though members profess love for our Lord Jesus Christ.
The deceived do not realize they are deceived and that is why everything you are taught is to be questioned Acts 17:11 not just accepted because the guy up in the pulpit said so. Priest or pastor , it does not matter , you are to question everything.
1229 A.D. The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed on the Index of Forbidden Books by the Council of Valencia.
1251 A.D The Scapular invented by Simon Stock, an English monk.
This is statements that the one Holy roman Catholic church believes are true ? No scripture verse to form any basis of belief but you are told to believe it? So wrap your brown scapular over your shoulder and depend on that strip of cloth for protection because obviously God or the Holy Spirit is not enough? Heb 4:15,16
2 Thessalonians 2:15 (RSV2CE): 15 ¶ So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
And now we have the written word that we can read and quote from . Oral is no longer used or required. Traditions that include pagan beliefs are not required for the believer. 1 Peter 2:24 Jesus atones for all of our sins while we live and there is no need fora clean up in purgatory as our sins are totally forgiven and our flesh will never be in heaven.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072
Obviously you think you're God and can dictate what is acceptable beliefs and what is not.
Last I heard through scripture, the Church (meaning the Catholic Church) is the pillar and foundation of truth. So anything the Catholic Church teaches comes from God Almighty. Anything the Church says, God agrees to since the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. Not you, not I. I just prefer to follow Jesus Christ and obey what He says. That's why I left my unbiblical Protestant church and converted to Catholicism. Because He said He founded the Catholic Church. The ones that the Apostles taught says His Church is the Catholic Church. Sounds as if you disagree with God. My prayers for you for conversion lifted up to God.
@@JesusfoundedCatholicChurch So regale us with the convincing truth about purgatory and prove from scripture that it is true?
I see from your last comment that you avoided answering the question and instead rattled off
Obviously you think you're God and can dictate what is acceptable beliefs and what is not.
Nope i have asked you a question and you in your reply have chosen to go in a different direction because from scripture you can not defend purgatory!!!
the Church (meaning the Catholic Church)
The Church meaning the body of Christ Eph 2:19-22 is the pillar and foundation of truth.
So anything the Catholic Church teaches comes from God Almighty.
600 A.D. Prayers directed to Mary, dead saints and angels.*
607 A.D. Title of pope, or universal bishop, given to Boniface III by Emperor Phocas.
709 A.D. Kissing the pope's foot, began with Constantine.
750 A.D. Temporal power of the popes conferred by Pepin, king of the Franks.
786 A.D. Authorised worship of the cross, images and relics.
850 A.D. Holy water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by a priest.
890 A.D. Worship of Saint Joseph.
scripture
Anything the Church says, God agrees to since the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit.
Ahhh it must be nice for the magisterium of the roman church to tell God what He is to agree to as if He has no choice?
I just prefer to follow Jesus Christ and obey what He says. That's why I left my unbiblical Protestant church and converted to Catholicism.
If you obey what Christ said why do you believe the church and some of it's false doctrines and claim you are following Christ exclusively?
Because He said He founded the Catholic Church.
Really where does Jesus ever say that He founded a denomination ? roman Catholicism only started after 385 AD , Jesus never named His church , Man did . Jesus is the only way to God and the roman Catholic church teaches that Mary is co- redemptix with Jesus . You just can not find Jesus founding the evolving Catholic / roman Catholic church.
The ones that the Apostles taught says His Church is the Catholic Church.
Again where do you find Catholic in the scriptures?
Sounds as if you disagree with God.
Sounds to me like you are ignoring established scripture and following an organized group that tells you what to believe.
So back to that question you have tried so hard not to answer?
So regale us with the convincing truth about purgatory and prove from scripture that it is true?
the thief on the cross is debunks purgatory.
How so? Please define “time” of purgatory.
Thanks a lot.👍🙏
I too have recently come to the catholic church and the idea of purgatory was kind of interesting because in other churches there is that all or nothing kind of mentality as you say, saved not saved, even n some traditional churches hell or heaven, and the passage the evangelical churches tend to fall on for the saved/not saved version is 2 corinthians 5:8 - to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. Thankfully at least we have people like SH and others who come and tell us these things because I also know that many people are constantly either worried because they fear losing their salvation or fear they won't get to heaven, or they are so sure of it they can carry on regardless because they are fully convinced the once saved always saved is the motto they have adapted which takes little or no effort or thought on their part..........
Part of my coming to the catholic church was and is the direct correllation and mirroring of the practises in Judaism which then lead me through some teaching to see the connection between the two and that connection was Peter, if he was the builder of the first church in Rome which he was or certainly the catalyst of it and if the practises and rituals are a continuation of the Jewish practices which they are then this must be the church and teaching we need.
For me this is yet another confirmation of this.
My biggest criticism of Catholicism is the worship and prayers to Mary. Mary was not sinless. First Commandment of our Lord is "Have no other gods before me" not to mention worshipping of angels and prayers for the dead. That is dead religion.
@@patmelton43the problem is that Protestants are the one insisting we Catholics worship the Blessed Mother this question really baffles me. We love The Blessed Mother just like our mother she is the Mother of the Catholic Church. We honour her just like Jesus honour her. She was created by God and whatever power she has comes all from God. We never treat her as a goddess. Now my question to you is are better than Jesus Christ? If The Blessed Mother is enough for Jesus if Jesus love His mother so much, why can’t you? Why is the blessed mother enough to you?
@isabel I love conversion stories and I’m so excited for you. Welcome home. What Protestants need to understand is purgatory exist because of the mercy of God. He love us so much that he won’t send us straight to hell if we die unclean only if we don’t have mortal sin. So purgatory is a blessing for us to totally purify ourselves before we get to heaven. Because sins has consequences we still owe God a debt in that way we can pay Our debts in purgatory. What a blessing.
@@Maya-yp2ey Give me an example of that because I think you are lying. Why would protestant tell catholics anything except stop your works-based religion?
@@Maya-yp2ey Scripture for that?
Galatians chap 1 vs 6,7,8,9
If anyone comes with another Gospel than that which has been preached to you, let him be ACCURSED.
APOSTLE Paul, by the will of God,
And a bondservant of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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John Henry Newman talks about the ignored but importaint ancient Christian belief traditions that Protestantism has never correctly understood as foundational to Christian belief. Purgatory is simply one of those elements. I am neither Catholic nor Prostestant, but am astonished by the richness of early Christian tradition that has historically become battle-ground for belief. As there is one Christ, there can be only one Christianity; all else is either dishonesty or error.
My question is simple . A spanking causes nerve fibers to be stimulated that are appreciated as pain. Over time one makes the connection that a given behavior results in pain and the behavior is reduced. What is the mechanism of purification in purgatory?
May the Lord's peace be with you all. This post is open for dialog. Though if I see disrespectful and malicious comment, I would immediately delete it. I posted this so as to open a dialog that we may all learn furthermore as we try to unpack what purgatory really means as one of our Catholic belief.
I understand 'Purgatory' as a process of final purification (for those who are saved & destined for Heaven, but didn't complete the sanctification process during their earthly life; because "nothing impure shall enter Heaven", as stated in scriptures); but I've noticed many of our Protestant (& even some Catholic) brothers & sisters misunderstand 'Purgatory' as a 3rd 'judgment place' in addition to Heaven & Hell!
Now, I've pondered about the concept of PLACE. I thought TIME & PLACE no longer exist in the AFTERLIFE; & only our temporary world/earthly life is limited by TIME & SPACE. So, Catholics' belief about some souls having to spend some TIME in Purgatory before they are released into Heaven (& some Catholics even offer prayers & sacrifices to help shorten the TIME for the souls in Purgatory) is 'MIND BOGGLING'! I DON'T BELIEVE in the concept of shortening the TIME spent in Purgatory, although I've been raised a Catholic.
So, in essence, what you're saying then is if we disagree with your point of view, it will be deleted? Isn't that censorship? As a former catholic, I'm respectfully asking.
@@danielmyers5338 no. It just means that if the comment is disrespectful and malicious only. Even if you disagree, I will not delete it as long as I see that you are open for dialog.
@@danielmyers5338 Why ask that when he made himself clear the first time? Is your post not still here, and not deleted? Regardless, can I ask why you left Catholicism?
@@RosalindToh I think you hit on a key insight focusing on the concept of Purgatory as being entirely constrained by *time and space* . That is the key. Only *matter* is constrained by time and space!
And yet, oddly, that does not specifically disallow the concept of Purgatory, but rather *reconciles it* with of all things ..... reincarnation!
It's an unprovable theory surely, but one that does make sense to me because it explains the apparent injustices and inconsistencies between peoples' lives. Some short, some long, some more agonizing than others, etc., etc. Given enough iterations in the "loop," until the conditions are met for us to "exit the loop" onto another stage in our soul's existence, our soul may then have a chance to be judged more fairly with equal justice for all.
What are we after all? Our bodies? Or are our bodies just like clothes, discardable matter once they have fulfilled their purpose? Just look at any mummy in a museum. Just dust and discarded debris. Nothing else remains there of the person it once was.
In general, I think we are *not supposed* to know consciously how this stuff works so we are not biased as we go through our lives. Each life is a unique experience in ... learning for our souls. Maybe this is why we don't *generally* remember past lives consciously, except for some exceptional cases (if we are to accept some people's testimonials to that effect). Perhaps there is a *reason* for those specific cases, for their lives, and perhaps for our lives as well. Overall, I suspect it would be rather overwhelming or disheartening for most (as it is for me) to know this for real.
I've had a revulsion to the idea of reincarnation. Just to think to have to repeat all the trials and tribulations I've gone through in this life (and most of humanity has had it worse), can be disheartening. Maybe that's why we are *spared* from remembering! Like I said, I do not *know* any of this epistemologically or scientifically. It's just an intuition, but one that makes some logical sense. It certainly makes more sense than a final condemnation, by a loving God, of a soul as a result of a single life's experience.
Perhaps the Hindus were onto something here.
Purgatory makes perfect sense to me. I believe if you confess your sins and are sincerely sorry God will forgive you, but there has to be some accountability for sin. We may, in our ignorance, think we aren't sinning but we are all sinners.
Where in the Bible is purgatory even mentioned?
Where in the Bible is "Trinity" mentioned? Or "sola scriptura"?
Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:26)
@@David77757Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Where in the Bible is Christmas and Easter mentioned and where does it say that the Bible is a Christian's only source of information. When was the Bible written and what did they follow before that?
DR Hahn is a gift to us. WE need more Dr Hans
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
you may listen to another explanation of purgatory here: ua-cam.com/video/RI_wDopUaQw/v-deo.html :)
There is no purgatory. It is not in scripture.
Luke 16 just speaks of the hereafter. We either go to heaven or hell. There is no third choice. Some people may lose their rewards but never your salvation, once you are saved. The Holy Spirit keeps us and the Bible says "He seals us until the day of Judgment."
@@patmelton43 How do you interpret the part that says “the person will be saved, but only as through fire?” What is the fire? 1 Corin 3:15
@@mschmidt1645 Fire of Holy Spirit, I think.
@@mschmidt1645 the fire in 1 Cor 3 is “the day” of future judgment, which will test the quality of our works and mercifully burn them up (ie., our works, not us) if they are found to be wanting. The loss suffered in that case is a loss of reward. It is a single “day” of judgment, still future, corporate, public, and brief. No mention of them waiting long ages while their works are being burned. Rather, we should imagine this loss of reward happening in an instant.
Dr. Scott Hahn, would you then say in the light of your interpretation of the scriptures that Purgatory is a process more than a place that takes place in Heaven when we are not yet perfect as He is perfect and we are purified or purged by fire, by Christ?
Purgatory makes perfect sense....it's like doing an exam....very very few get 100% (heaven) straight up......and then some fail (Hell)....but the majority fall between 50% and 99% (Purgatory, at some level)
That is why we need Jesus. Jesus’ blood alone cleanses the believer from all unrighteousness. It is hard to comprehend but that is why it takes faith to believe that God’s grace alone has rid the believer of his sin. For the believer, though he still may struggle with sin, God now sees His Son, the sinless Lamb having taken their place on the cross. To accept purgatory is to say that Jesus’ sacrifice wasn’t enough. Jesus went through the full extent of hell for us so that we wouldn’t have to.
what utter drivel. we get to heaven via the faith in the completed work of Christ on the cross, "not of works lest any man should boast"
@@austinfarlow2065 Again Purgatory is in the Jewish Bible Torah, Jesus our Lord is Jewish not American. Respect the ancestry and traditions of our Lord Jesus, read the Bible thru the Jewish tradition..period.
@@austinfarlow2065 This isn't a discussion about salvation. Catholics agree with you. However, Scripture is clear that believers will face the Judgment Seat of Christ...not to find out whether we are going to heaven or hell (heaven is a given as you have said, for those who are in Christ), but whether our works were good or bad. See 2 Cor. 5:10. Our bad or worthless works will be burned up; we will receive rewards for good works in Christ. Purgatory isn't hell. It is a final place of purification, and will ultimately determine each person's rank in heaven. Both Jesus and St. Paul spoke of this.
Catholics don't teach salvation by works. This was the first myth that got busted for me. However, we are also never saved apart from works (James 2:14-26; Hebrews 11, entire chapter). Here is the passage you quoted, but in context: Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace that you have been saved through faith. This has not come from you but from the gift of God. 9 It does not come from works, so that no one can boast. 10 *For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for a life of good works that God had prepared for us to do.*
This is the clearest explanation i have encountered on this topic.. Thank you 😇
Yes it would be specially when you do not know the scriptures for yourself and do not see where Scott is telling you the roman Catholic version of events and not the scriptural version of truth that does not condone a fabricated lie called purgatory. Read the context of every verse given to you to prove purgatory and you will find errors.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
It’s appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment Hebrews 9:27. . The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness 1 John 1:8 ❤ To Believe in purgatory is to blaspheme what Jesus did on Calvary Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Jesus will be forgiven Romans 10:9-13 The only reason why Catholics push purgatory so much is because it’s such a great revenue for the clergy. 10 euro now for Mass cards ♥️. But we cannot buy the gift of God with money Acts 8:20 ❤
Yes it is Hard for them to accept the Truth, satan Loves their worship to him through man made statues, praying to and for the dead, Listening to Untested Spirits , medals beads, all give satan worship and takes away the worship direct to Jesus Alone who is the only Mediator to God the Father.... Makes me want to cry, sadly we can only pray ,before it is to late for them. to Be Born Again as Jesus said we must be...
@@beagle5 Thanks for your encouragement and response. Yes purgatory was established by Pope Sixtus 1V in 1476 when he wanted money for the building of Sistine Chapel. You could get indulgences by paying money. Today people are paying 10 dollars for Mass Cards for the dead.
They make up a bunch of self aggrandizing doctrines like claiming to be the first church, the church Christ established, rosaries, transubstantiation, etc. and then grasp at verses out of context to support said doctrines. By the way, purgatory makes no sense in light of the Pauline epistles, and Hebrews. We are sanctified by His blood and "He hath offered one sacrifice for sin forever."
@@ScottPalmer-mp1weYes Limbo was closed down in the 1980 recession.
St. Catherine of Genoa (1551):
“I believe no happiness can be found worthy to be compared with that of a soul in Purgatory except that of the saints in Paradise: and day by day this happiness grows as God flows into these souls.”
In some popular prayers and devotions, and in some spiritual writings, purgatory is described as sort of a temporary hell, and differing from hell only in that those in purgatory know they will eventually go to heaven. However, the Catechism of the Catholic Church rejects that view of purgatory. The Catholic Church does not teach that purgatory is a place or that those in purgatory experience the pain of fire: purgatory is not a “mini-hell,” and is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. CCC1031
When Satan tells a little lie.....
What else is new..
Please Catholics, read the Bible with the help of The Holy Spirit, Jesus only talked about Hell and heaven. Mostly hell . Repent is for now it's too late after your last breath. If I was the devil I would want people to think there is a second chance and there is venial sins that does not end in death.
Decieved decieveing others
Fire also represents judgment that is coming.
Luke 16:19-21
Jesus makes it abundantly clear that there are two distinct realms in which the souls of the dead exist. One is a place of reward, a Paradise. The other is a place of torment and suffering, where souls are separated from the Lord eternally.
NO He didn't.
Abraham's bosom and Gehenna are both parts of Sheol, the realm of the dead. Then Christ sacrificed himself and went down to Sheol himself, to stage a massive jailbreak. The Lord led the righteous departed to Heaven, emptying Abraham's bosom.
There is no purgatory, just like there will be no rapture. If it's new, it ain't true. Purgatory wasn't a thing for over 1,000 years after the death of our Saviour.
@@ericlammerman2777 Amen on all points!
Massive jailbreak 🤣🤣
@@ericlammerman2777 Amen. Those souls were sitting in the dark for ~5000 years, waiting on the light to rise. They saw Christ as a light rising and busting open the gates of hell. Lord Jesus defeated the evil one in a brilliant legal maneuver having counsel of the Father and Holy Ghost. And the thief on the cross was not told'today, you will be in a pagan purgatory, and then after many pagans praying for you, we will bring you to paradise"lol. I marvel at the mental gymnastics these Nicolatians do to stay in their sin and carnal lives. God Bless.
My question about purgatory would be if Jesus paid for our sin,,. Why do we have to pay for it again? I feel like if I had to pay for my own sin then why did Jesus have to die for it? It was explained to me by the Episcopal priest, saying if you go out to dinner with someone and they pay the bill do you have to pay it again no, you don’t you repent for it, but I don’t believe that I have to pay for it in purgatory
Instead of paying for dinner, I will offer a different scenario: Jesus' suffering through His Passion and death, opened the chain and unlocked the prison' gate from where sin had us slaved. But it is up to us (cooperating with God's Grace) to get up and step out from that place and turn our lives around and walk through the narrow gate. So, we have to do our part
Give me a break. There is nothing we can do to make ourselves good enough to go to heaven. On the cross, Jesus said, It is finished.
You aren’t listening.
Maccabee’s admits in itself that no prophets existed at its writing.
I love Scott Hahn
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Rev 21: 27 "Nothing unclean shall enter " . Purgatory is logic .
That is why it is necessary to have an authority in teaching the Bible to avoid heresies as is the further breaking down of Christianity to 40,000 denominations til this day. Only the Catholic Church can provide this authority and so honestly we should ne on communion with Rome as Christians.
Man cannot say this is Right ...Only the Word of God Is. Latin has limited words in translation.
The Original Greek and Hebrew is the Correct
If the RCC is teaching the truth, to whom did this prophecy apply? It was to happen after the death of the apostles.
(Acts 20:30) and from among you yourselves men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves.
Just wondering.
@@tongakhan230 You could apply it to every heretic that the Church condemned and every Reformation and post reformation group that exists today.
Catholics pray for the souls in purgatory
To help them into heaven.
Hell is for the true corrupt sinner. Evil.
Thank you, Dr Hahn! 🙏🙏🙏
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
1 Cor 3 I see the flawed works or of omission etc. Burned off in perhaps a moment of Divine humiliation but meaning here doesn't reveal being kept on porch of Heaven for time of being human torches purgating us and having to be prayed into Heaven.
I am a devout Catholic who has lived with a lot of Protestant relatives . I feel sad that they are ignorant about the theology on Purgatory and even go as far to ridicule those who pray for departed souls !
I'm similarly situated. It can be somewhat frustrating, so I just pray that they, as well as my Catholic relatives, just grow in the Spirit all the days of their lives. Because if they do, and the live long enough, they WILL become Catholic (because that is the FULLNESS of Earthly faith-practice).
I agree! Protestants CANNOT differentiate the difference of "Praying" FOR the dead vs. PRAYING TO THE DEAD, (NECROMANCY) as the falsely claim. The first is a humble request for the happy repose of our dearly beloved and the second on, (Praying TO the dead) is seeking information, a Mortal sin and strictly condemned by the Catholic Church.
@@juans6639Jesus said “why do you see the twig in your neighbor’s eye and not the log in yours.”
@@jimmy5634 Unfortunately today, (2,000 years later) there are over 70,000 False, Man Made, Reformed, Protestant, Religions and Churches who have a log in their eyes protesting against the One and ONLY Catholic founded by Jesus Christ and the Apostles in 33A.D, because Protestants, DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST! Mt.16:18-19 says very clearly that Jesus founded HIS CHURCH, (CATHOLIC! St. Ignatius of Antioch, direct disciple of the Apostle John called it that in 107A.D.) AND PROTESTANTS DON'T BELIEVE THAT!
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Isaiah 6:6-9 also talks about how the prophet's lip was purified through fire by a seraphim in order to be able to speak before God's presence.
This is Gold! Thanks so much! Is there more from this interview?
Amen. I think this is the only part of the video that he spoke about purgatory. You may watch the whole video linked in the description. Here is another explanation from Catholic Answers - ua-cam.com/video/RI_wDopUaQw/v-deo.html
u r right this is gold
@@cherylyap2679 I understand 'Purgatory' as a process of final purification (for those who are saved & destined for Heaven, but didn't complete the sanctification process during their earthly life; because "nothing impure shall enter Heaven", as stated in scriptures); but I've noticed many of our Protestant (& even some Catholic) brothers & sisters misunderstand 'Purgatory' as a 3rd 'judgment place' in addition to Heaven & Hell!
Now, I've pondered about the concept of PLACE. I thought TIME & PLACE no longer exist in the AFTERLIFE; & only our temporary world/earthly life is limited by TIME & SPACE. So, Catholics' belief about some souls having to spend some TIME in Purgatory before they are released into Heaven (& some Catholics even offer prayers & sacrifices to help shorten the TIME for the souls in Purgatory) is 'MIND BOGGLING'! I DON'T BELIEVE in the concept of shortening the TIME spent in Purgatory, although I've been raised a Catholic.
If you have to save yourself then we don’t need a saviour
Also, you rule Dr.Hahn🙌
Truth & Love
"Why is Purgatory
A False Idea???"
"It DENIES the SUFFICIENCY of Christ.!"
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1 John 1 vs 7
".....and the blood of Jesus Christ his
Son cleanses us from All sin."
Hebrews 1 vs 3
3. "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the Word of his power,
When he has by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
When The High Priest
Sits down,
The Work is done.
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Rejoice in the Truth, always.
I say again, Rejoice.
Apostle Paul, by the will of God
And a bondservant of the Lord Jesus Christ.😇😇😇
BIBLICAL GOD forbids contacting the dead /Deu 18:11
To describe certain relationships with the Catholic Church, I have used the letter 'C' to state three conditions. Talking to a Converted Catholic who was raised Baptist, she described me as a Cradle Catholic, since I was raised that way. I refer to myself as a Completed Catholic, since the Lord Jesus Christ found me, baptized me in His Spirit, and I have been growing in grace and the knowledge of Him. Learning truth in the Bible also sheds light on what is false. Many Catholic doctrines are not scriptural. At least 3 doctrines concerning Mary we can cite. The Catholic Church is more about Mary and the pope than Jesus. Jesus warned the scribes and Pharisees about teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (Mt. 15:9). Since hearing what others have said about Joe Biden, I can add two more 'C' conditions; a Cafeteria Catholic chooses what he will from that religion and discards the rest. Also, Corrupt Catholic can apply here and be extended to the evil priests, clergy and popes in history.
The Bible itself is another “doctrine” not in the Bible the Catholic church developed for the world. Dont forget that big one…🤷🏽♂
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
“Today” you will be with me in paradise (not after some time in purgatory) (said Jesus to the thief on the cross who was not baptized and clearly had sin in his life).
@Troll Patrol Oh Dear..may My God
forgive this what you have written....
You have called JESUS a LIAR...
JESUS does NOT Lie
@@beagle5 "my" God.
This is not helping anyone.
@Troll Patrol
He wrote that because the blood of Jesus purifies completely.
Paradise is where Abraham was and the parable of Lazarus being in his bosum. Our Lord Jesus Christ had NOT ascended into Heaven so the gates of Heaven were NOT open at that time. You can see where the rich man asked Father Abraham to ask Lazarus to dip his finger in water and bring it to him....(Also proof of intercession from Holy/Saints from) Abraham DID NOT say he couldn't send anyone to warn the rich man's brothers...Abraham said it would do no good! Since Our Lord Jesus Christ had NOT ascended into Heaven, he went and preached to the Spirits in PRISON, 1Pt.3:19-20 who had DISOBEYED since the days of Noah...8 were saved in all!...These Spirits were in PURGATORY...NOT HELL AS PROTESTANTS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE...ONCE CONDEMNED, NO ONE COMES OUT FROM HELL!
Yes, God had the power to forgive them. He's no longer among us. So purgatory exists. No one goes directly to Heaven.
No one is righteous and pure enough for heaven. If you believe you aren't saved only by faith you need to reread all scripture and put it together. We have to be purified from our sins . God is holy.
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
Roman Catholics invented purgatory, and made it official teaching in 1274. It was not something the Latin church taught for over 1,000 years after the death of Christ. Purgatory is not part of the Orthodox tradition.
That sounds right. And praying to Mary; isn't that having another god before our Elohim?
@@patmelton43 Yes true ....anything other than Praying to Jesus alone , gives worship to satan , as satan has Many Faiths that follow him ,one way or another.
@@beagle5 We pray to God the Father through Jesus Christ.
@@patmelton43 Yes they pray to Familiar Spirits and have many gods ,as medals ,items beads, Worthless man made Statues, satan speaks to them ,as he is Never Tested , God says to TEST the Spirit, for their protection against these things ,satan comes as A Bright Shining Angel even as Mary To Deceive...satan knows scripture and convinces them to play with beads , medals and alike to give him worship...
He is a smooth talker and very effective. The Jews were given the OT. They did not and do not hold Maccabees as scripture. Rome had the audacity to add this to provide support for purgatory. The fact that Jews prayed for the dead is not biblical evidence for purgatory. Also his interpretation from Paul is deeply flawed.
Dr.Scott Hann is just the one of the hundreds of thousands former staunch anti Catholic Evangelicals who converted to Catholicism .this yr in April another breaking record of Evangelicals who converted to Catholicism here in the US.there was even a contingent from Harvard University.its not just here ,but numerous former anti Catholic Pastors in Latin American countries,Philippines ,to name a few have also converted to HIS one and only Catholic church.Dr Hann exemplifies tha saying “ Protestant chuch gets the worst Catholics ,while Catholic church gets the best Protestant”. Shall people believe you or the thousands former anti Catholic Scriptual Scholars,Historians,Theologians,Pastors,Intellectuals ,to name a few ,who are now Catholic.Many more are following their footsteps. There have even Catholics,who became anti Catholic Evangelical Pastors ,who have now reverted to Catholicism.Some of these brilliant men and women of God took several yrs of intense studying for Christian truth and found it in the church they used to believe as whore of babylon,idolators,unbiblical and all other misconceptions and lies they had about Catholicism.read,read,read History and dig deeper!just to reiterate shall we believe you or them?
Maccabees was written after the Tanakh was established but they do read it The Jews pray FOR the dead (not to) because they are a little more intelligent about G-D than Christians are. The dead are dead. They haven't gone to heaven or torment or anywhere else. As the Bible is plain on the subject we "sleep" in the grave until the Day of Resurrection then after the Day of Resurrection comes the Day of Judgement. Read the Bible. Oh and one other thing, Paul was a false apostle. Acts chapter 1 verses 21 and 22 states the qualifications for an apostle and Paul NEVER had them.
The Jews that recognized Christ as the Son of God, the second person of the Trinity, DID hold Maccabees as scripture: That's why this book is in the versions of the Bible used by the apostolic churches (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox)
You want to follow the teachings of the Jews who were the bad guys in the Bible? Have at it. I agree, though, that praying for the dead is not direct evidence for purgatory. If you believe in purgatory, however, the practice supports that belief.
The only time I read Jesus pray for the dead was to raise them to life again. Completely different from praying their souls into heaven. That cannot be done. Remember the story of the rich man and Lazarus? There is a great gulf between and none can pass from one side to another.
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The teaching of Purgatory is part of a man made religion opposite of the TRUTH of the Word of God. Ephesians 2:8-9.
Actually, regarding the last part, wouldn't it be not adding or taking away since martin Luther technically took books out? Would this mean anything outside of the Catholic Bible would be adding and subtracting from scripture?
He took out the junk.
@@kevinhutchins4222 Under who's authority?
@@T...P... The Holy Spirit's.
@@kevinhutchins4222 Please elaborate. Was the Holy Spirit only guiding one man and everyone else was not listening to the Holy Spirit? Martin Luther alone was the "chosen one" eh? Everyone else blind to what God wanted for the one thousand five hundred years of Catholic Christianity? Because to me it sounds like one priest started a heretical movement and now people hide behind the idea of "God told me so" to justify their non-authority.
I can say the Holy Spirit led me to one thing, and you can say the Holy Spirit led you to another thing. What we're left with is this:
1. The Holy Spirit led us to separate paths a.k.a. contradicting truth claims. (So this is not a viable option.)
2. The Holy Spirit led one of us to the correct truth, and the other person was not guided by the Holy Spirit. (Which one of us is which then?)
3. Neither of us were directly guided by the Holy Spirit and we just made our own decisions without any direct influence/personal "revelation" from God.
(Because let's face the fact that the Holy Spirit doesn't reveal things to us like we're prophets.)
@@kevinhutchins4222😂 and now there's approx 40 000 different Protestant denominations because they can't agree with one another.... every time the holy spirit speaks they start another denomination with a fancy name
Purgatory, a total contradiction of what Jesus did on the cross. His death cleansed our sins and His rightousness is imputed into us. Romans4. We can stand before God, based only on His rightousness, not ours or us suffering for our sins. Jesus did that. Scott Hahn knows better, but he has so sold his soul to a false and corrupt religious system, that he twist scriptures to make it fit his man made religion.
Purgatory does not contradict Jesus' work, if MANIFESTS it. Purgatory is basically just the final application of the Blood of the Cross to the justified believer, which thus completes his sanctification.
@@AmericanBerean If you are not saved when you die, there is no other way to be saved. Purgatory is a way of the devil telling man, "don't worry about it. You can work it out in purgatory." NOT
surley hell then is a contradiction of jesus death on the cross a he died for our sins
@@AmericanBerean
Christ Died For Nothing in your eyes??? His words are meaningless to you???
You really believe that Christ Did not Die for you??? You Must be Born Again???
satan loves this idea...
@@AmericanBerean
Why do you DENY the Grace of God? why do you make God to be a Liar?? What doctrine has taught you this?
This is a Very Ancient Roman god traditions and customs that satan Loves to Hear , that Jesus Died in Vain and His Death was Pointless.
I used to believe in alternate dimensions that exist outside of time and space. I used to believe in souls (ghosts) and a communion of the holy dead.
Six decades of observation and more recently critical thought tells me there isn't sufficient evidence such things exist.
Belief is helpful in hopeless situations, but many people are hardwired to only believe with evidence and not feelings.
Imagine if the afterlife were on trial, would the prosecution have enough evidence to prove its existence beyond a reasonable doubt?
If so, present the evidence.
God has given us this life to repent and believe in Jesus Christ, who died for us and shed His precious blood for all those who wouldut third faith in Him. There are no do overs, sorry!!
Purgatory is not a do over, it is an act of mercy for those struggling to become a Saint. Also if we think we dont have to do any penance for the sins we commit means God does not deserve for us to show our love to Him by becoming a better person. Its that simple. If i knock over a glass and break it, its my duty to clean it up, it is that simple too. To think Jesus has to clean up our own mess completely throws away the Christian life which is to become like Jesus to work hard to become a Saint, go the extra mile like Jesus said.
@@TheJuddly Purgatory is not a do over, it is an act of mercy for those struggling to become a Saint.
Every believer in the new testament church was called a saint. So as a believer you are a saint according to scripture.
Also if we think we dont have to do any penance for the sins we commit means God does not deserve for us to show our love to Him by becoming a better person.
Please explain penance as there is no punishment of the believer found in scripture . Yes there are consequences to our actions and they happen as we live.
Its that simple. If i knock over a glass and break it, its my duty to clean it up, it is that simple too. To think Jesus has to clean up our own mess completely throws away the Christian life
Jesus atones for our sins all of them We do not atone for any sin as Jesus is the only one who can.
which is to become like Jesus to work hard to become a Saint, go the extra mile like Jesus said.
A believer in Christ is a saint , and as a saint the duty to follow Christ and imitate Him is our goal.
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 ok so let me ask you this. If I were to back in to you car with my car and do great damage to it, does it not make sense to help pay and fix your car, make insurance claim so they can help pay for it too, EVEN IF you forgive me?
@@TheJuddly There are consequences to our actions and yes we are liable for the damage even if forgiven , but when it comes to a spiritual condition we are not capable of fixing our problems and it is Jesus who atones for our unrighteousness, not us.
Would you explain penance please?
I can not find penance as something to do physically for a spiritual wrong ?
@@brucewmclaughlin9072 Jesus said you will not be out of prison til the last penny is paid. So we can pay for it on earth, more so now, purgatory is the prison Jesus was talking about. You do know that Martin Luther took out praying for the dead that was in Maccabees right? The Church created the true Bible, the Catholic Bible and Martin Luther took out 7 books…
He mentioned some parts in bible it talks about it
I wonder why the sufferings and pains and death of Christ on the cross are hardly ever discussed when Purgatory is the subject.
My objection to Purgatory, as a Protestant, has very little to do with “once-saved-always-saved.” Much more, I object to the idea that MY suffering can accomplish for me what CHRIST’S suffering cannot.
The way I see it, if Christ’s pains are not enough to cleanse me from sin completely, then no amount of suffering on my part is going to compensate. It is an insult to the blood of Christ to say it is insufficient to save-that it requires my two-cent contribution of pain.
What would my suffering in Purgatory accomplish? Is my guilt being punished? But Christ was already punished for my guilt. Is my sin being paid for? The death of Christ already paid for sin. Is my soul being cleansed? Isn’t the blood of Christ able to cleanse my conscience from every dead work? What need is there for Purgatory, then?
It is laughable to suggest that my suffering would allow me to stand before God without embarrassment. If anything, it would make me more embarrassed.
It is also a mistake to believe that anything less than eternal suffering on my part is enough for me to pay for even one little sin against God’s holiness.
Neither my righteousness nor my suffering can ever make me worthy of heaven. Ever! Only Christ.
AMEN!!!
The misconception is that your sufferings and Christ's sufferings are somehow separate from one another. This is completely the opposite. It is in Purgatory that we're finally uniting ourselves with Christ's sufferings. We're truly aligning ourselves to be like Christ. Christ tells us himself to pick up our cross and follow him. That we will drink the same cup he does, he even warns the Apostles of this.
"The way I see it, if Christ’s pains are not enough to cleanse me from sin completely, then no amount of suffering on my part is going to compensate. It is an insult to the blood of Christ to say it is insufficient to save-that it requires my two-cent contribution of pain. "
If you're in Purgatory, you are already saved by the merits of Christ on the Cross. Your reward is eternal life in Heaven. Nothing is going to change that. The issue being though is that even though you acknowledged and accepted Christ's sacrifice on the Cross, you still had some attachment to sin when you died. That isn't because Christ failed to cleanse you. That's because you chose to dirty yourself and did not fully allow him to scrub you. Unless you want conclude that you died perfect and without sin.
"It is laughable to suggest that my suffering would allow me to stand before God without embarrassment. If anything, it would make me more embarrassed."
Why should you be embarassed other than it being an attack on your pride? The Apostles certainly weren't. They rejoiced in the fact that they were suffering in the name of the Lord, for the would share in His glory.
"So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name." Acts 5:41
"But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.” Acts 9:15-16
"Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory." Romans 8:17
"For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God." 1 Peter 2:20
"For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. 6 If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation; if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings we suffer. 7 And our hope for you is firm, because we know that just as you share in our sufferings, so also you share in our comfort." 2 Corinthians 1:5-7
There's also an entire chapter in 2 Corinthians where Paul boasts in his own sufferings.
"It is also a mistake to believe that anything less than eternal suffering on my part is enough for me to pay for even one little sin against God’s holiness. "
You would be correct. For the wages of sins is death (Romans 6:23). For its only the merits of Christ that purchased for us the reward of eternal life. We're not Pelagianists. The sufferings we go through would be meaningless without Christ.
"Neither my righteousness nor my suffering can ever make me worthy of heaven. Ever! Only Christ."
Correct. We as Catholics agree with you. We said the same thing about Pelagianism.
@@Cklert thank you for your interaction. I do already understand all that you’re saying about purgatory. It still does not make any sense to me.
You say that purgatory is me being more united to Christ and identifying with his suffering. However, the Bible never depicts any of that stuff as actually atoning for my sins! Only Christ’s suffering on the cross can accomplish that. His suffering paid for sins, and whoever trusts him is already worthy of heaven because of his work, full-stop.
Conformity to Christ’s likeness is the goal of salvation, not the cause. It is a gracious gift to share in Christ’s sufferings, but that doesn’t save me or anyone. It doesn’t remove sin. It is a fruit of salvation-part of the gift. It is not part of the root.
You say that I wold only be embarrassed by suffering in purgatory because it is a blow to my pride. But of course, that’s what embarrassment IS! A blow to one’s pride. That’s the very definition of embarrassment.
So, why then did the original video insinuate that one purpose of our suffering in purgatory is so that we can stand before God without being embarrassed?
I think it’s because you think I need to be PROUD of myself in order to stand before God!
I need to be able to look at myself and be pleased with what I see!
I need to be able to stand there at the end and say, Yup. I suffered enough. I’m good now. I was sufficiently punished for all my sins. Now I’m finally worthy to stand in God’s presence!
Except I’m still not worthy. I never will be. That fact that I was purged in purgatory only proves that to be true. So, I’m still embarrassed after purgatory. Just more so now.
The only solution is to look away from myself. I will never be worthy. A hundred billion years in purgatory will not change that. But the Lamb who was slain is worthy. And his righteous is more than enough for even me.
@@NomosCharis "You say that purgatory is me being more united to Christ and identifying with his suffering. However, the Bible never depicts any of that stuff as actually atoning for my sins! Only Christ’s suffering on the cross can accomplish that. His suffering paid for sins, and whoever trusts him is already worthy of heaven because of his work, full-stop. "
We agree. The doctrine of Purgatory depends entirely on Christ's sacrifice. Perhaps I'm not being clear: *If you're in Purgatory, you have already been saved.* there is no maybe. Your reward is set and nothing will change that. Your soul is simply being prepared for perfection. As for the Bible never depicting that stuff. I'm sorry to say, that's incorrect. Hebrews 12:4-13 shows that God disciplines and gives us suffering to strengthen us against sin. That's why all the passages showcase the glory in suffering.
"Conformity to Christ’s likeness is the goal of salvation, not the cause. It is a gracious gift to share in Christ’s sufferings, but that doesn’t save me or anyone. It doesn’t remove sin. It is a fruit of salvation-part of the gift. It is not part of the root."
We agree, once again, *Purgatory is part of the gift of Salvation* it isn't a 'second chance to atone' it's simply the final process of sanctification that God gave us. He makes us perfect in this way.
"You say that I wold only be embarrassed by suffering in purgatory because it is a blow to my pride. But of course, that’s what embarrassment IS! A blow to one’s pride. That’s the very definition of embarrassment. "
Yes, and pride is a sin. It is dubbed "the queen of all sins." The opposite, humility, which is what Christ demonstrated.
This is a non-sequitur. You cannot feel embarassment after Purgatory, because you would be in Heaven in the full Glory of the Lord. The fact that you were in Purgatory to begin with, proved that God did see you as worthy, not because of you or your merits obviously. But because you faithfully died in the Grace of Him.
"So, why then did the original video insinuate that one purpose of our suffering in purgatory is so that we can stand before God without being embarrassed?
I think it’s because you think I need to be PROUD of myself in order to stand before God!
I need to be able to look at myself and be pleased with what I see!
I need to be able to stand there at the end and say, Yup. I suffered enough. I’m good now. I was sufficiently punished for all my sins. Now I’m finally worthy to stand in God’s presence! "
He's quoting 1 John: 2:28: "And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming."
And I'm actually proclaiming the opposite of being proud. I didn't think I need to explain this, but when we're finally in the presence of God, all our sins will be revealed to us. The Truth will be revealed to us. We will be ashamed of them. What John is saying is that by remaining and following Christ, even his suffering, God humbles us, so that we bear no shame, no pride, and no attachment to our sins.
"Except I’m still not worthy. I never will be. That fact that I was purged in purgatory only proves that to be true. So, I’m still embarrassed after purgatory. Just more so now. "
Except, once again that's not how Purgatory works. It is fair to say that you're not worthy. We're ALL not worthy. But the fact that you were in Purgatory, means that God saw that you *were* worthy by His Grace. It is only through the inviation of Christ are we worthy. But to say that you will never be worthy is dangerously close to self-hatred and despair. Against Jesus message of Love and Hope.
@@Cklert
So Why then did Christ Have to Die, what is your answer please.?
Not so much an explanation as an analogy. An explanation would cover the facts, and Dr. Hahn doesn't; at least not in this video. The last word on the Catholic understanding of Purgatory is found in the documents of Trent, which establish five basic facts about it.
1. Purgatory exists.
2. Souls can go to Purgatory en route to Heaven if they aren't fully purified, but are not in a state of mortal sin.
3. The first purpose of Purgatory is to remove the stain of venial sin.
4. The other purpose of Purgatory is to apply the temporal punishment that's due for the person's sins.
5. Any other discussion of Purgatory beyond these basic facts is to be discouraged, because it often results in people being led astray.
I love what Dr. Hahn says at 4:41
Now compare what Dr Hahn says about the early church fathers and scripture Acts 17:11 at 4:41>
@Troll Patrol do you accept what is taught without questioning? Acts 17:11
Possibly indulgences are still as active as the notion of purgatory?
No where in the New Testament does it say that we are called to pray the dead into heaven like they did in the Old Testament. Also 1 Corinthians 3 is not at all talking about purgatory. I suggest you read 1 Corinthians from the beginning to understand the context.
You didn’t listen to Dr Hahn. The translator of Biblical truth misses much if not a student of ancient languages. Protestants (I was a former evangelical) stand on their Bible’s which are incomplete. Listen to him again with an open mind and pray for revelation. Reading the early Church fathers began my journey back to Catholicism.
May God open the eyes of your heart to the truth about church unity. REREAD JOHN 17:20-23. Disunity in these times when satan is attacking is not the time to quibble over jots and tittles.
They prayed for the dead because the dead are in the grave (nowhere else) until the Day of Resurrection. They didn't pray one "into" heaven because NO ONE goes to heaven or ever has or ever will. We resurrect on the New Earth.
@@barblacy619 👈coocoo
@@barblacy619 Oh, I took Hebrew.
@@Nonexistent10 To be absent from the body (dead) is to be present with God.
The doctrine of Purgatory defeats the work of the Cross. John. 1:5:13.says ,I have written these things that you may KNOW that you eternal life. Salvation is not a guessing game.
Purgatory does not defeat the work of the Cross, it manifests it! it is the application of the Blood of the Cross for the last time to the believer. After someone is born again into God's family, he is saved. But then he still tends to sin, even if only in a thought. At the time of his death, a believer might be holding on to some sinful things. After death, then, the Blood of Christ is applied a final, completing time, purging the believer of all remaining attachments to sin and tendencies to sin, absolutely perfecting that soul for the rest of eternity. (Unless he's a martyr. That sacrificial action serves the purpose that Purgatory does.)
@@AmericanBerean Jesus cleanses is from All of our sins,
Jesus forgives us of all our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness Says st.Paul.
@@kenkeil9067 Yes, as you say, "Jesus forgives us of all our sins and cleanses us from all unrighteousness". At the time we are born again into His family, Jesus does remove Sin from us, both the Sin of Adam, and our personal sins. The Sin of Adam (aka 'Original' Sin) separated all humans from union with God. When we're born again, that separation is undone and all our personal sins are washed away. But we still suffer from the tendency to sin (ie, fleeting impure thoughts or desires, or undue anger, etc). We can't get into heaven if we still have that tendency to sin. That tendency to sin will ultimately be removed only after we die and are purged from it, so you can see that Purgatory is a merciful thing indeed.
Purgatory ? No such thing in scripture . Jesus died and rose from the dead in our behalf . Those who believe in him will not perish but have everlasting life . No need for purgatory non sense . Jesus said it is finished. Satan is a deceiver and is alive and well in the catholic cult
So I can do all types of sins and live a life of depravity and only believe in Jesus?
@@YiriUbic3793 t hey didn't say this at all...,.THE HOLY GHOST IS GOING TO CLEAN YOU HERE or not at all
@@YiriUbic3793 If you read the scriptures you will see countless exhortations about how you are representing Christ as a believer. So do tell us how you repent , confess your sin to God , confess your belief in Christ Romans 10:9 and have the fruit of the Holy Spirit and go back to living in the world? What if we do sin? 1 John 2:1,2 Salvation is a gift that is Never taken away for any reason and the Holy Spirits seal upon the believer is Never removed for any reason. There are consequences to our actions and they happen here as you live.
@@YiriUbic3793 If you believed in Jesus, you would not commit evil. And if you committed evil, you would repent to God. Otherwise, you never knew Him.
@Troll Patrol Don't you have a choice to be here? Stop with your whining and grow up.
Is there no a final destination that is not heaven. Some souls go to the new heaven and new earth where they will live eternally. Isn’t there a holding zone-heaven-before the new world.
Limbo is gone for the babies, Pugotory is just barely hanging in there for now !for the rest of us 😅
Limbo was a terrible catholic lie. I come from a catholic family. My nan had to have her baby buried in unconsecrated ground because she was an unmarried mother. I don't believe in purgatory either. I believe in Jesus and his undying love for us to be saved.
@@annec988 the Jesus story is made up just like the limbo story
@@annec988The patter does not contradict the former.
Cheers!
Limbo was a theology opinion of some, but not all Catholics, and was not a doctrine, so can be accepted or not. Purgatory is a doctrine that cannot be changed, because God established that final purging process. It is a great merciful thing, because most of us children of God die with some lingering attachments to sin and need to have them purged, else we couldn't otherwise get into heaven. (That doesn't apply to un-repentant mortal sinners. Their destination is hell.)
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
As a Christian, l am confused by Dr. Hahn's arguements re Purgatory. As you know, GOD has sent numerous people to experience Heaven & Hell. And many have returned & wtitten books in great detail of their experiences. NONE of them to my knowledge has ever even mentioned the word Purgatory on their return. So how do you explain that? That explains my confusion! Surely one of them would experience Purgatory?...
Those who visited an afterlife and came back are not the teachers we should follow. Their experiences (called private revelations) might be helpful to some folks, but they're not the teaching authority. If someone feels they lead to contradiction with the Catholic doctrines, then those private revelations should be ignored. Lean on the constant teaching of 2000 years of the Christian Church. Private revelations are useful sometimes, but not the standard we use to learn the faith's doctrines. And never accept any private revelation if it hasn't been vetted, investigated, and approved by the Church leadership. Satan tries to fool us that way sometimes. Peace out.
Sheol is no longer in existence after the Resurrection. 2 Cor. 5:8 should nuke the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory, but... since when do they care about what the scriptures actually say? (1 Tim. 4:3).
Why did the thief on the cross get promised paradise this day?
Yes. Valid point.
Yes So true ....sadly it appears, to them Jesus was Lying, as they do not believe in His words. Today You Will be with ME in Paradise. .No mention of Purgatory ,which is Hell.
Gerry S. Oreilly
I am not sure If you Understand Jesus and His words of Truth, I cannot question Jesus....Have you no understanding why Jesus said that to the Thief ? Jesus said to the thief that because of What ??? No guesses there...
Because of the Thief's Faith and Belief . I know many are not allowed to understand the word of God , Years ago they were burnt at the stake for this, today through terrorism... READ and Understand the word of God People, satan Loves people being told they must not understand for themselves ...They are His.
It is a question of where the comma comes.
Luke 23:42 Then he said: “Jesus, remember me when you get into your Kingdom.” 43 And he said to him: “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise.”
Three days later Jesus was resurrected by God and was on earth giving instructions to his disciples. The earth is still not a paradise.
That man would open his eyes when he is resurrected under Jesus' 1,000 year rule of this earth (Acts 24:15).
It will be like a few moments ago that Jesus spoke to him. Even though thousands of years have passed.
The dead have no time consciousness as they do not exist.
We are to be judged on a case to case basis by God. When all of Jesus' friends went hiding, abandoned HIM and only those few followers including Mother Mary remained with HIM, Jesus had the right to immediately pardon that thief who even though he saw Jesus whipped and spit on, the thief still believed Jesus' claim of HIS KINGDOM. That is definitely a very fair judgment on that thief.
I understand that that loss is a loss of rewards, not of salvation. I don't believe in purgatory. You are either saved or unsaved.
There is no PURGATORY. YOU ARE RIGHT
PLEASE PRAY FOR ME TO GET BACK I HA THE HOLY GHOST but went away
Jews never believed in praying to the dead. Not TRUE
I think the verse says that if your work is burned you will be saved... does that not sound like purgatory?....
"If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, bbut only as through fire" 1Corinthians 3:15
@@jeffreyalilin7314 1 Cor 3:10-15 sin is not in question at all. What is in question is what you did with what Christ has given you. Salvation is a gift from God so what did you do with that gift did you keep quiet or did you tell people about it? When you have salvation and you see others in need do you ignore them or do you try to help? What have you done building on the foundation that Christ has provided. You do not build with sin so this passage has nothing to do with sin.
Then I have a question. If no one with sin can enter the gates of heaven, are we all damned? Since we all have sin, no one can be saved...
@@michaelhoerig4430 If you read God's written word to us you will see that when you repent and confess your sins to God , He removes ALL of your sins and forgives you totally. You enter heaven because of what Jesus has done atoning for all of your sins , the sins you can do nothing about in any way aside from confessing them and following Christ. We do not and can not atone for our sins.
thank you so much 4 explaining .... I needed to know that....
You need to look at the context of every scripture presented as the truth of purgatory. You will find discrepancies!
Hebrews 9:27 " And it is appointed unto men once to die,but after this judgement"
Purgatory doesn't exist. We need to get right with the Lord in this life, no second chances after death.
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
There is no purgatory. The Bible says that it is appointed once for someone to die, then comes the judgement. Scott presents well and is very intelligent. However, cursed are those who place their trust in people to lead them! Scott is not the embodiment of all truth. Christ said, "Shall the blind lead the blind? I tell you that both shall fall into a pit." I choose to follow Christ Who said that I should call no man 'father' or 'teacher.' That is because salvation is knowing God personally. Remember the words of Christ, that many will seek to enter heaven but only a few will be able to do so. Remember that: only a few Catholics and a few protestants will make it to heaven. Only a few! Your beloved leaders, probably, will not make it!
That is because people stray from the Word of God. For example, referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me shall have rivers of living water (John 8.38)." Do you know the Lord? Are you seated in the heavenlies? Do you have the 'down payment' of the Holy Spirit, a taste of heaven? Does the Holy Spirit bear witness that you are a child of God (Romans 8.16)? If you are wondering if you are saved, you are probably not saved! For example, we are called the bride of Christ. Could you imagine a bride saying, "I think I am married, but I am not sure." Does the bride not talk with her husband in a two way conversation?
That said, I do not have running conversations with God. However, every minute of every day, I am in sublime fellowship with Him. He has continually called me out of fleshly things (old movies, vain thoughts) into deeper fellowship with Him. In over 45 years, I have not doubted my salvation for even one second - not even for a second. That is because I am in continual friendship with Christ.
Watch out for stained glass windows! Certainly they look pretty great and the is nothing wrong or sinful about them. However, do not be distracted by the pull of religious belief. Do not be so immersed in your religious rites that you miss fellowship with Christ! Jesus said, "This is eternal life, that you know God and Jesus Christ Whom He has sent." If you are a Catholic and claim to know Christ, why, then, do you distort the gospel by adding so many qualifications to salvation? Is it true that knowing Christ is eternal life or is the 'more to it than that'? Is it true that "Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)" or are you saying that Paul left some important points out?
Is salvation a meeting with Christ and do you meet Him simply by asking? That is the gospel! Paul said, "Cursed be anyone who preaches a different gospel." Woe to you if you add anything to the simplicity of the Bible. If you choose to ignore the Bible in place of your man-made 'traditions,' may the blood be on your own head! I have shown you the gospel truth! Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
I agree with everything you said. I've studied the Bible my whole life and I will be 80 this year. Good Job explaining.
Spot on! Christ’s message is a simple one. We try to show how smart we are by inventing complexities. One is a Christian or one is not. I don’t care which particular ‘brand’ you promote, and I despise the elitism that goes with it.
Ken Shiloh , I agree..
. also We Must remember , that ( having a Catholic Neighbour) they must not have a relationship with Christ and get in too deep, she only has the Old Testament. it is a Christians duty to help direct others to Christ, we cannot save them ,only the power of the Holy Spirit can, they, I believe do not Understand the words of Jesus....You Must Be Born again , sadly. I sympathise with them as their doctrine it appears ,will not let them see the Truth in the words of the Living God. Let alone praying Direct to Jesus, only through someone else... and many gods they use, medals, items, man made statues and much more , it is Very Sad, they do not understand Why Jesus came and died, and sadly more so . Gods Grace is for all.