Undervalued: Is the Future of Art Female? With Katy Hessel and Kamal Ahmed
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- In March this year, a YouGov survey found that 30% of people could name no more than three female artists.
Female artists make up just 1% of London’s National Gallery collection.
The highest price ever fetched at auction by a female artist is a tenth of that ever fetched by a man.
In the latest video in the #Futureverse series in partnership with Y TREE, art historian and broadcaster Katy Hessel joined journalist Kamal Ahmed to discuss her debut book, The Story of Art Without Men, which challenges the canon and reframes our understanding of art history, highlighting the work of female and non-conforming artists who have been excluded from the art historical record. Katy and Kamal discussed how and why this exclusion took place, whether things are changing for the better in the contemporary art world, and the female artists working today that we should be aware of.
Katy Hessel runs @thegreatwomenartists, an Instagram account that has celebrated women artists on a daily basis since 2015. She has a fortnightly column, The Great Women's Art Bulletin, for the Guardian newspaper, where she writes about an artwork made by a woman which speaks to today's news agenda. Katy writes and hosts The Great Women Artists Podcast, where she has interviewed artists Marina Abramović and Lubaina Himid, as well as writers Olivia Laing, Ali Smith, and Deborah Levy. British Vogue and the Evening Standard listed it among their best podcasts. In 2021, she was selected for the Forbes 30 Under 30 list in Art & Culture, and in 2022, she was appointed as the Curatorial Trustee of Charleston, the former home of the Bloomsbury Group. Katy has curated exhibitions at Victoria Miro Gallery, Kasmin Gallery (NYC), Stephen Friedman Gallery, and more, and she once took over a floor of Tate Modern for a Tate Late.
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The first female artist she mentioned was Marina Abramović - and then she went on to decry "elitism" in the art world. So ironic on so many levels. LMAO
I have a female artist friend who is very well known in both the LA and national scenes.. I also have another female artist friend who was very well known in the NYC and London scenes.
Both of them were cancelled because they refused to go along with popular mandates, political opinions, social movements, censorship, and the propaganda du jour. The "gatekeepers" that ended their careers weren't evil white men. ...they were left wing women - like the lady in this video. The LA artist was literally cancelled for making the same kind of anti-authoritarian art that got her famous. :P
Art and politics will always be connected on some levels and that's actually healthy in a society, but I'm _absolutely disgusted_ by "artists" who have used their art to further the establishment's divisive agenda. They aren't artists. They're propagandists.
well then you did not listen closely and did not understand that both can exist and be mentioned in relation to each other
Uff, so much cynicism. Hopefully, after you take a breather, you might understand what this is all about, - internalized patriarchy and misuse of power. This kind of quibbling does not help anyone to move foreward. All this does is to show that you and your artist friends have given up hope and decided to keep seeing evil everywhere. Take the wink and maybe get up amd continue to work, to struggle to "see the signs, to understand the signs and to add some signs" . This, if any, is the message here. A breath of fresh air. (Sure you seem disgusted by K.H.'s charming positivity here, but every new & young generation has the right to be optimistic about something. )
@@majorhoulihan8448Thanks for femsplaining our own experiences to us. You clearly know better than the people who actually lived through it.
Intelligence Squared has become an amusing spectacle of far-left ideological performance art, not even pretending to acknowledge the existence of a reality beyond a few select zip/post codes of New York City and London.
It has been ideologically subverted. No longer do we see genuine debates with all sides represented. It’s just one-sided, far-left waffle now.
Divisive title… as a woman and an artist I don’t want to listen to this talk. So bored of the talk about male and female artists and keen to hear about just “artists”
Thats a process. Once women ad their work finally are acknowledged and values equally to men - then we can speak about artists and work only.
I get your point. Kinda like morgan freeman getting tired of talking about blm and juneteenth (because it carves in deeper the pain of self victimization and lamoryance) nevertheless, i just bought the book and its a great read. Like drinking a tall glass of water after a long walk thru the desert.
Katy's enthusiasm is invigorating and much needed. Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion. Off to buy a copy of her book. Thank you.
Updated title: Is the Future of Art Misandry?
Comment section and the dislike ratio are indicating that people are fed up with this.
nope. Thats just proof of the ongoing ignorance and unawareness of the extend of discrimination of women all over the world - still now in 2022
@@medeanadjavonah1948 I agree that there are many women who are being discriminated against. Russia, Iran, Sudan, North Korea, Japan, to name some.
I do, however, find these talks to be proof of the delusion of many people regarding discrimination towards women in Europe and USA, for example. I do not know the art market in the USA, but I assume there is no authority that stops women from publishing art. For example, if all else fails, there are NFTs.
@@NoobsDeSroobs NFTs ha ha ha FFS.
Discrimination and hypocrisy are bad...
I think one is capable of making great art no matter if they have a pee pee, a wee wee, or even a pooh pooh.
Typical angry wee wee
That's a far more intelligent analysis than this lady had to offer.
who looks at gender when they look at art?
I feel like if you try hard enough you can insert any demographic into any subject and claim prejudice. Why its important not to fixate on the way people look and start question why things aren't black or female or indian or chinese or whatever the thirteenth gender is. Purposeful inclusion is necessary to diversify representation in white-founded nations but at some point you have to wonder why you are looking at something through the lens and with the goal of skin color or whether or not there were boobs behind it. At some point we have to be looking at something because its actually top-tier and not because it had some secondary motive arguably not relevant to the quality of the final product. Products are genderless and colorless. They may hold meaning pertaining to gender or culture but the surface is what you see is what you get even if the core of an industry should or does make an effort to be inclusive.
You don't seem to be too familiar to the principle of debate and dualism in the aristotle sense (west european approach to the humanities, philosophy and art-story) . K.H. is a european and she most probably based he way of arguing and debating on the dualistic principle. Her book is a sign, a comment and answer on what has been dominating the field: a gazillion books about men, by men, for men. Reading the book feels like drinking a tall glass of water after a long walk thru the desert. Now sure in the far east it is less obvious that masculine energy dominated and subjugated feminine energy (even tho it exists as well, its simply harder to spot, because in tao and buddhism ideology, people are not raised to rebel, speak up their opinion and maximise drama. And this is precisely what i hear in your comment; the rejection of discourse and drama.) Now we all wish to be more inclusive, non attatched to lables and see great work as great work, no matter who did it. Nonetheless, had you had a western art education, like me and K.H. and so many others, you would understand why this book exists. Lets all hope that things work out according to your imagination. But beware of the masculinistic gatekeepers, those are real and not an invention by K.H.
"It's important to have equality [throughout] the whole book" - she said about a book called "The Story of Art Without Men" - just after complaining about white artists.
It’s a response to the book The Story Of Art, which has 16 editions. The book is a seminal work of art critique, but Ignores all women artists, except one. So to balance it up, she’s adding a book women. All the men have been written about, hundreds of times. The comments here are why we still have to fight to be seen and heard.
Is the Future of Intelligence Irrational?
root(2) my dude 😢
Everything has to be genderized
until equality is the norm - sadly thats necessary indeed.
@@medeanadjavonah1948 hahaha
White western woman are the most privileged people on earth
@@medeanadjavonah1948 Lenin used to make the same argument about his system of terror. It was necessary. You don't fight inequality with inequality, you don't fight discrimination with discrimination.
It wld be really good if Katy showed some of the work of the artists that she so very well enthuses about ! Just a thought!
She obviously can´t paint a damn thing. They just do these episodes for attention and the whole point was just to egotrip on being a woman.
Define "female"
I’m not a biologist…I really can’t say……
one who menstruates
Surprised Pikachu face
a biologically born woman is female is woman. Really not hard to grasp for anyone.
Another divisive piece of IQ2 content pushing the bad type of feminism. This is getting pathetic guys.
Naomi McCavitt - Superb print and muralist.
she looks and acts like a poser
SEXIST AF
Ya the patriarchy is alive and well, but it goes by a different name these days…..”feminism”.
Art is psychological, that's why we throw millions of dollars at a Banksie silhouette but the guy on the street corner who's painting with oils by hand a fabulous work is lucky to sell enough paintings to get by.
The vast majority of art history is detailed by men - this is actually more to do with the way the male mind works, it is highly focused and selfish at times, it is independent in thought, revolutionaries usually are male throughout history, because men think differently to women.
Female art is, nice.
Listening to the book now, it’s so good 🎉
so necessary - thank you Katy
In honour of World Mental Health Day, I'm going to skip this video.
Name one significant woman artist…..I’ll wait…..still waiting…….ok Mary Cassatt
There are tons of significant female artists when you leave the area of "fine art". There are tons celebrated female musicians, poets, writers, actresses, dancers, etc..
This lady is delusional.
Frida Kahlo
Annie Sprinkle
Pippilotti Rist
Annie Leibovitz
Niki de Saint Phale
Camille Claudel
Louise Bourgeois
Irene Bou
Andrea Muheim
Jenny Holzer
to name a few
I expect society will be stripped back to things that are required to live, Art will be one of those nice things we used to have...
Enjoyed this talk...very helpful to know women artists are being recognised for their contributions alongside men....
Excellent this podcast. Thank you.
i loved this conversation so much!!
i am in love with her.
I think you're cool Katie,luv Umesh
It seems an entity, self-marketed as cerebral in nature, fails horribly on multiple fronts.
Is that how you market yourself? Your garbled syntax certainly gives that impression.