One thing I wish they would change is the weapon skins. In Tiger Strike missions, you can find very unique variants to the typical skins of all weapons, but they are only rare weapons. In Nightfall Strikes, if you get a Legendary weapon, it is just a faction weapon with a few different options. I feel that faction weapons should only be earned through the factions. If I get a legendary through a nightfall strike, I think it should be a little unique, and not so cut and paste. If any of you haven't seen weapons from Tiger Strike missions, google Surrender A, Anges III, Dead Air 09F3, Sir Isaac, Foresight 3, & Lock_Arete to name a few. They all have a different take on the normal weapon skins by adding a few more asthetic options to them, it is something I haven't seen on any Legendary weapon so far.
You make some excellent points and I really feel you have the experience to think through all aspects of these points. That being said, I feel like anything they try to do to it now will only make things worse. The hardcore, 18 hour-a-day players will still have every exotic in the game, but, if they make changes, all of a sudden the more casual 1-2 hour-a-day and not everyday players will be lucky to ever see an exotic in their inventory. My personal opinion on the matter is keep it how it is. The hardcore gamers can have all their good stuff like they want, and sure they may complain about something but let's face it, they'll do that anyway. And the casual gamers will eventually have a small pile of exotics that they'll treasure and remember exactly how they got it and it'll feel special just like they want. Plus let's face it, everyone will be throwing all these items out anyway probably with the first expansion but definitely by the second.
my thoughts on your thoughts is that keep doing stuff like this with these ideas and encourage the community to do so to push for changes because this is all really good stuff
I am a level 29 warlock on 360. 8 raids in and I have gotten one piece of raid gear. You should be able to earn raid marks and spend them at a raid vendor. The randomness is just too much. I know a level 30 with the vex who has done the raid once on normal and once in hard. That simply is not fair.
I think that you should be limited to getting one piece of raid armor, and one raid weapon a week on each character instead of getting rewarded for one raid a week.
Hey Datto, do you have any thoughts on the difficult aspect of the game? For example, the fact that when missions get hard all you need to do is find a room and run back and forth shooting enemies, slowly withering down there health. Do you think they need to make enemies more aggressive but have less health? Because the way in which Bungie goes about making missions and strikes hard is just ramping up the health and damage in return slowing the gameplay WAY down. I think raid difficulty is perfect but nightfall isn't even hard with all the cheese. There's a cheap way to beat everything in the game and in some cases it seems like the only way. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Exotics should ALL have some key quest-chain needed to unlock them. Aside from the Vanguard missives, we should be able to find some from completing Nightfall or say winning in the crucible. I would've loved to see it as tasks with many stages which also tell the story of how such a weapon came to exist as well-as you go about completing it. Like say, you visit a old SUROS facility just to find the blueprints to START making the SUROS Regime. Unique zones tied off to the Exotic quest chains themselves. Honestly the current state of all this doesn't feel rewarding at all for Exotics. I even think Mythoclast should have a missive drop from normal/hard that requires a few Gorgon kills and maybe 2 Templar kills and one Aetheon hardmode kill to actually complete aside from a few other tasks mixed in.
***** That's going too far bud. My point was in line with Datto how he was also talking about Legendaries in WoW. Those took MONTHS to get. I'm only asking for these "quests" to be implemented and have better droprates in harder content(Most of them taking maybe 5 days max to complete). Since they lowered weapons at Xur to 17 from 23 it's basically Welfare Exotics. (Personally I think Xur shouldn't even sell Exotics at best Legendary Engrams or ONE Exotic Quest bounty-if all Exotics went by Bounties with a set list for only 4-5 to be obtained through him.)
I totally agree that the thorn is a perfect example, the xyor bounty was so hard and it took me a few weeks to find willing players and I genuinely cried a bit with joy once I got it, but with the strange coins I genuinely still find it hard to get strange coins.
I prefer Borderlands loot system. There's still a RNG element but certain enemies have a better chance of dropping certain weapons which makes farming for loot less frustrating. The grind aspect is there but you feel like you have some sort of control over it in Borderlands, unlike Destiny.
borderlands will always be the best shoot n loot until destiny get's their shit together. in borderlands i knew the enemy was going to drop the weapon i wanted at some point if i kept on killing it and once you got that weapon after days of farming you felt accomplished because it took you so long in destiny this is not the case.
borderlands had vendors in the torgue dlc that sold orange weapons for a currency forgot what it was now but that version of it would be significantly worse than one you'd get from a drop
I have an xbox one and lots of my friends haven't made the upgrade to next gen yet. I preordered the game and have 70 hours of playtime and only have one exotic (from xur) This is because I am unable to get into a fire team of 3 players so can't complete things like the nightfall strike. What do you think of having the number of enemies in a strike vary on the number of players e.g have a set number of enimies and if there is 3 players multiply that number by three
Bungie said before the game came out that "you will see people with these legendary and exotic weapons and you will know what they went through to get it. you will have amazing stories every to tell for each piece of gear you have." My stories for each of my weapons and gear is "I got lucky" or "bought it from Xur." I believe this is most people's story for their gear as well. I want something more along the lines of daedric artifacts from the elder scrolls game. Lets have hard quest, not bounties because those are not interesting at all even thorn is just redoing what is already in the game, but quest that have us go on an interesting mission to retrieve or forge the exotics. This will let everyone have that interesting story of how they had to go to the nest of one of those dragon creatures flying around Venus and retrieve hawkmoon from the body of a dead guardian. Thats a story I would like to tell. As for legendaries I think what they are doing with it now is fine. At least now when i finally get a legendary engrahm I know I got a legendary piece of gear even though the drop for legendaries is a lot less. What really needs to change though is completely random drops. Whether it is crucible or strikes the worst player should NEVER be given the best equipment. they should earn it. They can still be random but your chances of getting better gear should increase the more you do. As for raid gear, something needs to change. I know guys who have had 3 of the same classes since launch and have yet to get 30. These guys have put in over 200 hours into the game and have yet to get max level because of RNG. Not lack of skill, not lack of trying, but because of RNG. I should never have over 100 shards and energy its FREAKING RIDICULOUS! The drop should look into my inventory see what I have and drop based on that. If I have three found verdict then it should not drop again. I know WoW people say "well in WoW if you played for only 200 hours then you would only be level 40" but its different. That is based on experience gaining not RNG. In WoW if i want to level up faster i play more; in destiny if i want to stop finally get to level 30 i cant do anything about it. I have been raiding three times every week even on hard and still have not gotten those fucking boots! and there is nothing more i can do about it. the game is punishing me for playing it the way they want me to! RNG is never good. RNG has made the raid, the BEST part about destiny, a grind! I can do it on normal with my eyes closed and a group i never played with before. On hard I have a group that can do it in an hour. Its pathetic! Bungee needs to rethink how they do just about everything in Destiny. Unfortunately this may never happen and if it does it will be in destiny 2.
I like imagining how that line would work in practice. "That's an awesome helmet! How'd you get that thing?" "Oh, I shot into a hole for a while. A purple engram turned into this thing." "Oh. That's... nice?" "How'd you get that gun?" "Well, I was in the Crucible. I got absolutely dominated, but at the end of the match, I got the Hawkmoon." The only weapon I feel like I earned is the Thorn, and I won't use the damned thing until they buff it a bit. It's not a bad gun, but why would I use it over the Hawkmoon, or the Vision of Confluence?
I remember back in the day when Bungie first announced Thorn. I remember them saying it could be found in some kind of treasure cave. When I say treasure cave I don't mean like a loot cave as in an actual cave full of treasure. They said the only way to get Thorn was to find this treasure cave and fight your way in. It went something along those lines anyway I can't remember. But they released concept art of this cave and everything. This is what I hoped the loot would be like. It's also what I hoped Destiny would be like. I imagined this massive open world where tracking down a cave was nearly impossible. I guess this idea went down the toilet once they restricted the areas and made them smaller. Even so I think if Destiny was like this it would be amazing. It would take true dedication to locate exotics and true skill to fight past the enemies that guarded them. But hey I guess I can dream.
That's the game most people at Bungie wanted to make. The rumor/likely scenario is that something happened midway through development and instead of making a story driven game with lots of different missions and things to do they chopped up the content, cut out a lot of stuff and made it a simplistic grind fest in order to use the same content over and over. It's all in that Reddit AMA with an anonymous Bungie employee which I'm inclined to believe is factual.
I had always interpreted charlamagnes vault as a raid that had a chance to give thorn as a reward kinda like the mythoclast inVoG but they cut charlemagnes vault to squeeze money out of dlc
good commentary Datto, Its good too see that you analyse yourself and your thoughts before just shoving them on the internet like bungie forums and reddit
So.....after you (and your friends) have leveled up multiple characters, gained all the exotics you desire, have enough strange coins to fill a chest.....you are NOW asking Bungie to change the system so the other 99% of us can't even get them or have to spend a lifetime to get? Thanks Datto! These suggestions would seem more noble had you said them before using the system to your own advantage.
Well, I don't think you need to play 3 character to buy a exotic gun from Xur every week. Doing the weekly alone give you 9 coins. All you have to do is get blue rare engram and decode them for the next. Heck, I gotten more coins from chest/engram then weekly alone and I only do tiger strike list to cap my vanguard marks.
I do kinda agree, I got Suros when I did the Raid and it was okay, but when I saw Xur sell it the Friday he comes out. It ticked me off and well I feel like what I earned was worth a lot, to worthless in a few days.
Hey Datto, love your analysis and discussion points as always. I do have a question, though. Since the game does tend to place people near other people of a similar "true skill" level and experience level in the crucible and matchmaking, Is it possible that players fairly advanced in progress in the game have a biased/skewed sample of the game experience? Not trying to sound like a populist, but I am curious as to what percentage of the regularly playing Destiny community even has a single exotic or legendary and if it's not too easy for a proper bell curve of the game. Do you happen to have any statistics along those lines?
I think exotics are way too common and should be only achieved through a long hard chain of quests, not random drop or buy it. I have zero exotics, but they seem way to easy to get.
Yeah try to the the bad juju bounty, weekly stryke, 25 strikes and then talk to xur :| this will take me over a week since you can do 5 strikes in 1:40 hour and if i do not finish by sunday in the night ill have to wait another week, and the thorn bounty, wtf gain 500 void pints in crucible 5 points per kill and minus 2 per death, and then do the moon strike in lvl 26 with heroic modifier seriusly? you think like that because you havent been awarded an exotic bounty, and the thorn is useless, the bad juju is somewhat useless, then why did i grind 25 strikes 500 void points, just to get a fucking underpowered gun? Atleast they will be buffing them in the next patch, oh and PS. The pocket infinity got nerfed and is now useless for pve
Holacom And the crucible one isnt as bad as it sounds. If you consistently do pretty well, i think i was averaging like 40-50 points a game, it won't take you that long. One game I did really well and got over a 100 points. Of course if you have voidwalker, it is a bit easier since you can get a few cheap kills every now and then. And if you do happen to go bad , you need a k/d of 0.33 to go backwards in points, assuming all your kills are void.
I agree, I have seen so many people in the crucible, some join in late others at the bottom and get exotics and or legendary engrams which will sometimes turn to exotics. On top of that they don't earn it, then I see first place get noting, it makes me not want to play.
I agree with your point with the Thorn bounty because it was challenging and still is today, so if getting exotics were like that then it will be more rewarding for the player. The raid can have a matchmaking function because its hard to find 6 people willing to do a raid
I believe they should make exotics not drop in crucible. My friend hit level 20 in a crucible match, and right afterword was rewarded with hard light. He can school me online because I'm level 26 and I'm stuck with a rare primary and secondary. Do that, and the system is gold I say.
some of the lower tier weapons are pretty decent in pvp, the gallahad, shingen. i use the uncommon shingen c and do fine. sometimes it just takes a little while to get a feel for the weapon and tbh the hard light aint even all that i have it and that thing has some annoying ass recoil even with the buff.
Very articulate and well thought out, I'd definately like to see the exotics become less random and more skill based in their acquisition,I just got my Thorn bounty today after turning in a single Crucible bounty. Happy as hell, but I doubt I did anything special to earn it. Anyway, keep it up, more videos!
"At least it doesn't feel like a big deal if you're a player who can buy something every week." This quote is the heart of your problem, Datto. Like you've pointed out, there are players who don't have time to play more than a couple of hours a week and who don't have time to level up three characters and as a result barely manage to get Strange Coins or random Exotic loot drops or Exotic bounties. So if there are players who barely manage to make the required amount of coins per week or get lucky with the RNG, why should they be penalized because the players who spend extensive amounts of time playing Destiny are getting everything quickly or more frequently? If you feel like you have every Exotic and there isn't anything special about them, then that is your perception. You could play the game less, but I suppose that doesn't stop you from perceiving this to be a problem with the game. You could dismantle your Exotics, since you feel like they are so easy to get and therefore you could easily get them again, although I doubt most players would be willing to do that. Another thing, is that you take issue with players who don't do well in Crucible getting legendary and exotic weapons. You say that this game rewards you for losing, but that isn't the case. The game rewards you for playing, whether you win or lose doesn't matter. I can see why some people get upset at this, but this is done to ensure players have an incentive to continue playing the game. If players feel they need to be rewarded for their achievements, then perhaps increasing the chance for the top scoring player to get a legendary or exotic may help this. However, doing so brings you back to players who play frequently and spend a lot of time with the game getting more exotics or legendaries (assuming players who continually play get better at the game and are more likely to get top score) and feeling like they are all to common.
I completely agree with your first point, but i only partially agree with your second point. I do think it is good that players are rewarded for finishing a crucible round, so there should always be a reasonble chance for players to get something out of the crucible. However, I am a pretty good crucible player (around a 2.0 KD and i finish first a lot), i am rank 3 on crucible reputation (so i played a lot), and I have not gotten any legendaries or exotics from playing the crucible. I find this system to be rather frustrating because there is currently no incentive to do well, you do not gain anything with it. I believe players that finish on the top of the scoreboard should have a higher chance to get good gear, because i have rarely seen a top player get something good whereas i have seen exotics and legandaries be rewarded to people on the bottom of the scoreboard with k/d's less than 0.50. I think the system makes some sense, but they have taken it way too far.
Agreed. I work ten hours a day and I have a wife and two children. I still play Destiny almost two hours a day. One legendary and zero exotics. It will feel special when I finally do get a Suros. Datto does Destiny for a living, and therefore should have the gear he has. I think time in game should be rewarded, with skill being a not too distant second.
username9312 there's getting rewards for playing and then there's getting spoon fed exotics for sitting in a fucking corner for the whole game personally if you get below a 2.00kd in crucible you should not have even a chance of getting a legendary never mind an exotic.
In every game, there are always the causal player and the elite/hardcore. Any good games (referring to MMO type game) will need content to handle both groups of players. They need to make 2 tier of weapons, one which are grind fest which take time and patience to get while making a similar lesser tier that causal player can buy/get. In this game, there no room for hardcore gamer bc we are cap at 1 Hard/Normal mode raid per character. Once that is done, we just sit in orbit and talk about shet all day bc there nothing to do LOL. Soon, people will be just logging on on Tuesday, do the raid and nightfall/weekly and log off the game till next week reset. When this time comes, the community for Destiny will be dead. Seen it far too many times.
Early on in this video you hit upon a major issue with society in general today - 2014 is the era of entitlement. Everyone gets a participation trophy. Competitions are now won by showing up, instead of by competing and winning. Angry parents whose kids suck shit at basketball ruined the world by forcing basketball tournaments to give every kid the same size trophy. The same applies in Destiny. Bungie got 'angry-parented' by casuals to allow anyone at any point in time to have the best gear for absolutely no reason other than luck and RNG - aka by participation. It's a real bummer that it's infecting video games to this extent, but I don't see it changing any time soon - which makes me sad. You can literally see my point already in the fact that this video is already getting some Dislikes. This was an honest video with very valid points, but people want their damn participation trophies so much they have to hate on this video too.
I'm so tired of reading this stupid, stupid, stupid shit over and over. Every generation has been similar. Socrates made the same damned complaints about the youth in his day. I don't give a fuck about anyone's memories of the "good ol' days," because they never fucking happened. It's just a stupid cognitive bias that people take way too seriously. If things were so great before, they never would have changed.
Although I don't have any exotic weapons yet, they do seem easy to get. Especially with Xur. I def agree that maybe the price of exotic weapons purchased from Xur should be much higher. Or like you mentioned, take out the 27 coins with 3 characters. Enjoyed the video commentary as always Datto.
My opinion on why Destiny is the way that it is... I feel they had to dummy it down for the Non Elite players and Teens. The game is rated T for Teen. So, that is an audience that has to be accounted for. And, it is on Console. Yea WOW was more diverse and took your soul from your body in order to get stronger, but Bungie doesn't seem to want to go that route. They simply want a game that is fun for everyone, regardless of skill level. Which is fine, but it won't keep the hardcore players entertained for ever. Many advanced players will jump ship once division comes out. Yes there is the Raid(s), but people are simply finding ways to cheese the crap out of every challenge. Hell, I found a way to kill Templar by myself within 20 minutes. Not that I was looking, but the system has problems. I found a problem and exploited it. Do I do this often? No, but if I can do it while just casually f'ing off, then others will find other stupid ways to easily earn loot.
They didn't "dummy it down", their target audience was aimed at Teens and above, so right away they designed it for them. You are acting like they had intentionally made a Mature game for competitive gamers, and then threw in a bunch of bullshit to 'appeal' to teens and players that casually or socially play.
It isn't the game play that I mean is dummy downed. It is the loot system. Before, in all the demos they did, legendary gear was only dropped from bosses and actual challenges. Not completely random. I mean I have 18 different exotic weapons plus doubles of certain weapons.
Use the relic to blast his shield off, use the Relics Death from above to get your detaining done off, switch to Ice Breaker or Rocket Launcher and damage until he teleports. It may have taken me 30 minutes all together to be honest but for a level 29 on hard mode, not bad.
They need to have something better than exotic in next few dlc's, maybe the colour of the gear could be orange and they could be called ultra gear? Maybe only have 10 in total and make them only attainable through very hard quests/bounties and future hard raid bosses
I think that if strike/raid bosses actually dropped loot, this wouldn't even be an issue. (Why the fuck don't bosses drop loot? I still haven't gotten a valid reason from anyone) If the bosses DID drop loot, you could tack on a lvl 28 and lvl 30 strike difficulty. These difficulties would enable bosses to have a chance to drop legendary loot and 1 kind of exotic that is unique to that boss ONLY (Maybe 2. Like a gun and a piece of armor? ie: Phogoth would exclusively drop Hard Light and Insurmountable Skullfort or something) And it could use Borderland's Boss RNG where only said boss would have a very small chance to drop the exotic. That way Bungie could live up to the statement where they claimed "You're gonna know what they went through to get their gear" or whatever. And since this game is a grind fest anyway, it would fit right in. But for some dumbass reason bosses don't drop loot, so just throw this idea out the window.
I also agree whole-heartedly with increasing the price of Xur's booty. Or even making the reward for the weekly 1 coin instead of three (Or 3 instead of 9) Good Vid Dattbro
Derton Mernyos Xur's loot doesn't need to change. If it did it would piss of tons of people who don't the time and/or patience to farm for Strange Coins.
Exotics are WAY too easy to get. I've gotten 9 weapons alone so far. Freaking 9. 5 were from the 5 different exotic bounties. 1 was from a legendary engram (MIDA multi-tool). 1 was from the Nightfall Strike (Hard Light). And the other 2 came from Xur (Suros and Ice Breaker). The problem with Xur is that there's those cheap bastards that level up 3 characters, then do the weekly strike on level 28 per character, per week. That's 27 f*cking coins PER WEEK. As Xur's PRIMARY weapons are the most expensive, at 23, his special/heavy is 17, and his armor is only 13, the strange coins per character make the prices insignificant. You can literally buy at least 1 thing from him PER WEEK, with coins leftover. That's EXCLUDING the coins you get from engrams, events, etc. Certain exotic bounties are too easy. SGA was a good example of one being too easy. If you stored 10 rare Fusion Rifles in the Vault for Pocket Infinity, that one was way too easy as well. I think Thorn is the best/most difficult/most balanced exotic bounty. Bad Juju and Invective were above the other 2 mentioned, but not quite at Thorn's level of difficulty. This is broken and it needs to be fixed. I like the idea of level 26 Nightfall rewards legendaries, and a level 28 rewarding exotics. Here's my thinking: 1. NO exotics from Xur. OR increase the price of everything by A LOT. Make it like 30 for a primary, 25 for special/heavy, and 20 for armor. That's a decent price. It's high, but no out of reach. It also is made more difficult by this next piece. 2. DISABLE the ability to store coins in the vault. This will stop people from doing the strikes over and over again per character, and would stop people from getting an exotic every week. OR make it so that the weeklies can only be done ONCE per week, regardless of character.
Before you complain about me getting them from Xur, I never even created my other characters yet. I've saved up strange coins on my character for something worthwhile, like what sould be done.
Sir I am one if those people and I agree. Destiny becomes your bitch when you have three high level characters. It makes it that much more fun though! The thrill of exotics and such! Exotics don't break the game... I don't do too much in PVP but for PvE? It's a co-op game! Hell, I'm not one to complain about a good team mate with great weapons! We need harder challenges though ;{ but yes. The fact I get a guaranteed THREE exotics a weekend (not counting night falls) is crazy. I got 6 exotics in two hours! But I guess that's how it goes huh? Put in the time, get good stuff? Reap what you sow? I dunno it's a touchy subject but I for one agree with you to a point.
Are you crazy? 20 strange coins for exotic armor is too much especially since you can only 3 per week if you do the weekly heroic on easy and not many people are high enough level to do it on hard more, that means you have to wait 7 weeks just to save up enough coins unless you get some coins from engrams, which is still not common
I am sure no one will complain if it was cap at 1x weekly drop per account. But coins are so easily obtained, you can get 20+ a week from doing basic stuff.
A dedicated Destiny channel and now all the videos have become based on ways to improve the game. I think it speaks to the state of this game and how there is really nothing left to do for us players that have 100+ game hours. I've moved on already and I'm sure the player base will dwindle in the next month or so.
If you raise the price of weapons and armor to 40 strange coins or higher all that will happen is the rich will stay rich and the poor will stay poor I can only play on the weekends but thanks to the 13 strange coin price tag for exotic armor I have an exotic piece of amor for all three classes even though I don't have them all lvl 20 yet... If you jacked up the price that high the game would become way to grindy man it's already pretty bad since all the missions are the exact same it wouldn't help if you would make things harder to get... This is yet another video of yours where I honestly despise your ways to fix destiny it's actually annoying me.... Here I have an idea try making a new psn account and play 12 hours a week without a mic and no friends to walk you through the nightfall and vault of glass tell me how much legendary loot you get
I worked really tough for my ice breaker and it felt so great and I spend my life on this game and that was my first exotic gun and second for my exotics.
just sounds like you want exotics to go to the hardcore. so team spacebus can then come in to the crucible and stomp everyone even harder than you currently do Bungie need to decide if they want to go the route of WoW or Diablo and stick with one not 1/2 ass it between the two.
AFK to get gear is a different thing and thats something Bungie will have to look at - but thats not a loot issue thats an assholes not playing the game issue, everyone can get the same in D3 but you keep playing for the fun of the drops - as there is more of them so you get side-wards upgrades.
In all honesty Datto, looks like the "Destiny Well" is getting a bit dried up for you. You've done everything. Gotten every weapon, armor, etc. I'm sure nothings challenging anymore. What is left there to do?....I guess make videos like this? There's still millions of people that the Destiny Well hasn't dried up at all and plenty to do. Goals to reach. Items to strive for, etc, etc....I'm sure Bungie will watch this, but I doubt it will cater to a handful of the elitists in stature. Could you have predicted making this video a month ago? ehh...probably not. Take a break from the game dude!:)
I agree this guy is finished everything and now is frustrated that everyone has what he has well if that is the case then go play something else rather than bitching about it...
He has a point though, it is far too easy to get exotics that are meant to be difficult to obtain. Exotics are supposed to be these amazing weapons, Bungie said you would remember the struggle you went through to get them. It just all feels too easy.
wxmryan92 you do realise that out of the millions of people who play destiny only like 5 to 10% of people actually has exotics legendary and done raids right? That's why I say keep doing what or doing bungie game is great like other guy said play another game and stop bitching dlc is coming in a couple months
courtgame If that statistic is true (which I don't think it is) then it is still too easy to get them. You can't argue that 17 strange coins (easy to get) is too low a price for an exotic. As for legendaries, they are even easier to get. If you compared the hours played to the exotics/legendaries, you would see that investing a decent amount of time would get you good gear. It's not even skill though, I don't mind RNG but there should be some level of effort to get rewarded exotics. As Datto said, Thorn is a very good example of that. As for the "bitching", being critical of a game is fine. I like Bungie, I have enjoyed Destiny, but they have done a fair bit wrong. Also, the DLC is over priced. But that's a different argument. The game is okay, it's fun but I can see people going off it once their library gets bigger.
wxmryan92 No, I totally agree and understand the point he's getting across here:) I just think that he's pretty much 'mastered' the game and all of it's tricks, etc. Especially having the time to get 3 high level characters of the same class (which in all honesty, not alot of people have time for or WANT to spend the time to do) to grind out coins, motes, armor and materials. I think he's hit a wall to the point that he's reflecting on "how" he got all the stuff he's gotten and there's nothing really left to do. I believe there's some frustration here. The "freshness" has lost it's luster. Maybe he should start a new account and do 3 Warlock or 3 Hunter classes? I don't know... Keep in mind also, him and a bunch of other people, PrimeGuard, have been obsessing, organizing and analyzing this game months and months prior to release. Not sure that has really anything to do with anything but yeah....Think a good break and a step back or maxing out another class may rekindle some of the 'freshness' that's gone till DLC cause otherwise we'll just get more videos like this....and Elitist point of view (which I'm not implying Elitist as a bad thing here:))))
You basically want it to be all but impossible to almost get an exotic unless you no life destiny some people don't have the luxury of having a job were you sit down play games and make videos
Just because causal player don't have time to play should not limit the game to those player alone. It because exotic are so common that people are mad about this topic. (I love the fact that I got more exotic weapon than I can level up, but just getting them is no reward, it was a joke).
TheColonelAngel I work 10-12 hours a day and STILL have 9 Exotics. They're not hard to get in any way or form. Better off making them all quest related then making flat drop rates and the quest chain would take the average player 2-3 days to complete. It would feel rewarding then.
Ainrehtea Dal'nalirtu no they are not I have 4 exotics but if they changed the game to how he is saying then you and I wont be seeing an exotic for weeks maybe months.
Kou Vang and i agree but there has to be some type of balance. The way it is right now Its way to easy but the way he is recommending would make it so players like me who has a full time job and school and a kid would basically not see an exotic for weeks maybe months. I dont wana get home at 10 pm so i can grind till 3 am when i got work at 8 am.
Xur should be a permanent vendor, but only sell his exotic items on the weekends. In addition, Xur should also require reputation levels to purchase gear, similar to the other tower vendors. The reputation can be gained by wearing a "Mark/Bond/Cloak of the Nine" purchased for 5 SC and by doing bounties for the Nine. These will be harder-than-normal bounties, such as "Do a weekly strike without dying on level 28 difficulty" or "Kill a Weekly Strike boss in five minutes".
I got an exotic (warlock skeleton helmet) from nightfall and getting that felt SOOO good! Cuz i have not seen ANYBODY with this helmet, meaning its nice having an item not everyone can obtain from cue
I completely agree with you about most of the Bounty exotics being too easy to get. As much as I love the idea of them, they sort of feel like their own story missions, it only took me 30-45 minutes to get Super Good Advice this weekend.
I play for around 45 mins to an hour a day, and have done since the game came out. I have not yet got an exotic and am a level 26 hunter who has no time for second and third characters, any tips on getting exotics?
A possible solution to strange coins and exotic bounties is fairly simple. Xur instead of selling weapons and armor instead sells exotic bounties for say 25 strange coins. these bounties should be on the the same level of the Thorn bounty or harder and must be completed before Xur returns. This way not everyone will just be able to buy the best weapons, instead you are buying the opportunity to work towards the exotic. This takes out RNG for exotics and if the bounties are difficult enough makes the exotic feel earned, and others will stand in awe of your accomplishment of being able to complete the bounty in a week. Thoughts?
I have a few solutions: For heroic strike coin drops: Most strikes have 3 parts, example: Devils lair has 3 parts, Mesh generator, devil walker Boss After each part, you should get 1/3 of the strange coins you get in total. 1 for 22, 2 for 26, 3 for 28. -although this is off topic, there should be matchmaking for the heroic strike, at least level 22. As for nightfall, I like the two-tiered approach. One gives you legionaries, one gives you AT MOST, a 50% chance for exotics, and a guaranteed legendary Also I like the idea of a class between rare and legendary. Lastly, for DLC, the gear an weapons that are not from the raid better be a higher tier than the current legendary gear.
Further upgrades to the crucible loot system: Make consolation drops for people who don't get anything upgrade materials. Make it based on the map, so the maps on venus drop spirit blooms, while Mare cognitum drops helium filaments. Maps on earth would drop spin metal, and relic iron from Iron line, the mars map.
It's funny that you post this now, just earlier today I was playing Crucible and, i exaggerate not, EVERY player had an Exotic weapon, except for me of course :'(.
Because of the burn modifier, Nightfall Strikes are SIGNIFICANTLY easier than the weekly heroic. Especially with the primaries with elemental damage (Atheon's Epilogue, Vision of Confluence, etc.)
I have to agree with you Datto. Here's my exotic count. Exotic bounties: Pocket infinity, Invective, Thorn, and Bad Juju. Xur: Suros Regime, Ice breaker, and Truth. Random Drops/Engrams: Patience and Time and a Second Ice Breaker. Nightfall: Thunderlord. Raid chest: A second Patience and Time, A second Thunderlord (I actually got Thunderlord from the nightfall yesterday, and again from the raid today) The amount of exotics I have is ridiculous. They should be more rare, or at least extremely difficult to get. Not more difficult through RNG, but through tough, challenging missions (Like the Raid).
I think you're misunderstanding what the point of the Exotic is or attaching more value to it then it has. An Exotic is pretty much the same as a Legendary, but with some unique modifiers. It's not supposed to be an awe inducing thing to own an Exotic weapon. The reason the differentiation between Legendary and Exotic even exists is so that you don't just equip every weapon slot with them. They are special because you can only have one at a time equipped so you can only benefit from one special or "exotic" weapon modifier. So you can only have one weapon which regenerates ammo, or only one weapon that restores your health when causing damage, etc... Otherwise, in terms of power, Exotics are just barely meant to feel different then Legendaries.
You have got some very good points, only I agree with a lot of the comments below. You have put a lot of time in the game and got lucky a few times more. It's nice to randomly get rewarded for putting some time into the game, even if it was 3 minutes. Although unfair, but if it was fare it might be too predictable and it's nice to have a random chance at getting something cool. It's something that one of my regular friends has started doing in the clan and he congratulates every achievement and/or luck draw that the other get, remove the jealousy and just be happy for them. I am rambling in my reply. Everyone will want more, but I'm only 28 now with one character and I'm giving the game a lot of time. when I'm done with the one I'll carry on with another, leaving the last slot for a new class just before the expansion. What question I have to ask is how is an expansion going to give the same amount of different content to a new player and a level 30?
Some people work full time and go to school full time and play sports so I don't have time to dedicate my life to this game even though I would love to do so. I like the system to remain the same as is. It give me a chance to be even and gives me a fighting chance than somebody the does play all the time.
Maybe a crafting system where you have to go to various locations and go through challenges to get parts for exotics. Turn Xur into weekly crafter instead of a weekly vendor.
I think its perfect the way it is. You only earn 100 marks to buy gear from the respective Vanguards and Crucible Quatermaster. This means you'd have to put weeks of game time before being able to buy a whole set. As for Exotic drops in Crucible, I feel there should be a logical reward system for PVP players. I just want to Crucible all day. Don't want to be forced into the story to gain rewards that will make me perform better in the Crucible. This Trials of Osiris sounds good though :)
I know it's far from similar but, terraria's armour and weapons were well done, they had a good setup. The weapons that dropped randomly from enemies was next to impossible to obtain because of the low percentage drop, but it didn't feel like I was waiting hours getting it, and the terra blade was the best weapon in terms of getting it, the materials required were immense and getting the sword felt awesome, I poured hours into getting the sword, actually crafting it was a dream, it felt like its own reward, it was the pinnacle of the game, but still left you with things to do afterwards
I support the possibility of just expanding exotics bounties but, as you've said, revising them by making the tasks more difficult. I agree that the thorn bounty was a decent pain to accomplish, but through that pain gave not just a rewarding item but a rewarding sensation. And sometimes, the latter is equally needed with the former, if not desired. The times I get the thorn bounty again, I avoid it at all costs in fear that the enhanced Summoning pits would still give me a run for my money. The times I get super good advice bounty again... "eh," or "oh look, free ascendant energy breakdown." That's not how I should feel about an exotic weapon of any kind but it is how it is with that weapon.
Coming from a person who only plays a few hours a week and who just got his first exotic (not from xur) this weekend I think you make a great point Datto. Sure I was angry how I couldn't get an exotic after playing a few weeks now, but when I finally got one I was overjoyed. I belive everything you said should be added to the game plus one other thing, trading. I know people say it will break the game but I just can't see how(reply if you have an answer to this). Like you said as a guy who can only play for a few hours a week I don't have time to make another class, So when I get legendary hunter leg armor from and engram I would like to be able trade it for legendary wizard armor. Also if someone has last word and wants thunderlord I would gladly trade if there was a system for that. I believe the loot system needs to be changed and Datto knows what has to be done to it.
I completely agree with Datto because he has the right idea. Exotics are the best of the best and should be a challenge to get. His example of the Thorn exotic bounty shows this perfectly, a time consuming combination of PvP, PvE, and Framing.
I 100% agree with everything you said. I love this game but these item drops are breaking it. I hope any of the devs see this video and take on board your very valid points. Keep up the great work buddy.
i completed the Vanguard tiger strikes on venus and a guy who afk'd the entiore strike and ended with 4 kills was rewarded with Patience and Time the Exotic Sniper rifle, A Unbelievably powerful one. The one that gives you active stealth while aiming down the scope
My idea to fix it was to make it possible to turn 3 specific exotics into something like a legendary exotic or something, ex: combine bad juju, red death, and the last exotic pulse rifle to make an exotic legendary that would have all there passives, strong stats, and high damage(pve). These would be difficult to get, as you would need to get 3 exotics of the same type from rng, then you should have to do a REALLY difficult bounty to complete it
Maybe the superior class idea is good, but it may be too late to implement something like that as many players are already above the threshold that those pieces would create, maybe adding something above exotic?
This is pretty funny. I had this video running in the background while I complete my daily bounties. As I'm turning in my bounties, an Exotic bounty popped up. Awesome! The only problem is, I have completed every Exotic bounty available in the game. Maybe I'm just lucky but there's no way I should already be working on my second round of getting repeat Exotics. I agree with Datto, these Exotics are feeling more like Rare's as the weeks progress. Oh the irony.
Hey Datto do you think that Bungie will eventually put out a higher level of loot and keep exotics the same way. This could be the way that Bungie will get loot that is extremely hard but rewarding and they could learn from the exotics on ways to earn them in a good, challenging, and rewarding way.
I totally agree, I've now got 7 exotic weapons & 3 exotic armours. Before the game came out we all thought the exotics would be really hard to obtain then we found out about Xur. I was very excited to try & grind away to get the Suros Regime but then Xur had it one week & I was slightly disappointed because now I have the best auto rifle in the game & we was only about 3 weeks in. I thought I'd have to grind for like 4-6 months before I got this weapon having to level up other legendary guns before I even got a sniff at anything exotic.. Yes I'm happy I've got the Suros fully upgraded but I'm also disappointed because now I've got no real reason to mess with any other auto rifles. I've got the Atheon auto rifle so now I switch between that & the Suros depending what exotic I want to use at the time.. Bungie has let the community down on lots of issues & all these issues should have been sorted a long long time ago. The game got delayed for a year after it was announced at E3 & during the PS4s big conference. Well now Boarderlands out & COD Advanced Warfare will also be out soon I can easiy see Destiny being phased out like Titan Fall & many other big promised games.. But I guess Bungie done really care now they are all minted & living in mansions.. Hopfully I'm wrong & they can improve the game & not go OTT with all these updates & hot fixes. Seriously 34% on the Vex, if they had to reduce it by that much then clearly someone wasn't doing there job right in the first place when I came to weapon balancing.. Ok rant over with, everyone can go back to grinding at Destiny..
I think that something that would make the events better is more exclusive armor. If you were to get the whole armor set then you might look like a complete bad ass and have a sweet boost to you. for example for queens would give you a purplr mist that fallows you or full irono banner gives you a sweet boost to all stats or like small golden lines all over your amor.
I think they should make it so the agent of the nine sells bounties for the exotic weapons or armor not just giving it to you straight up. This way people need to actually put in some effort into getting them
The casual players get about 5-8 strange coins a week or two, and whenever they randomly get an Exotic, they do cry of happiness, my point is, don't complain because your hurting yourself by playing for 14 hours a day.
There should be tier ratings for the spots in the Crucible, say bottom or bottom two get uncommon, mid range is rare, and top has a chance for legendary.
I disagree with the Xur bit, I love it when Xur comes to the tower because it's always interesting and fun to see what he brings. Last weekend was a shame though because I already had Truth. On all other parts I agree with most of the things you say. But I have a question, we have Daily Heroic, Weekly Heroic and Weekly Nightfall. Because I'm always looking for a challange and cool gear, then what do you think about a Daily Nightfall mission? I've had this on my mind a while now and I think it's a damn cool idea!
Two things bother me the most. 1. Crucible Reward system. I think you should have a certain KDR in Clash and certain amount of Caps in Control to get ANY reward. I cringe when I do poorly in Crucible while playing with my clan because I'm so scared a Legendary item will drop for me. 2. Upgrading Gear. Most of my Gear has not been fully upgraded because I can't stand the thought of entering PvE just to runaround and get materials. Great video as usual, man.
I think overall the lottery is fine (this coming from a guy who's run the raid 5 times, and only got Ascendant Materials), but I think there should be more variety on earn-able weapons and gear (other than Exotic Bounties). Maybe special story missions with a hard boss at the end, but it's a hidden story that you have to find on Patrol, and the location of where to find the mission is from a character who's location changes on the map, like Xur; but less frequent than once a week (and that is how to construct a run-on sentence).
I think Xùr should turn up with exotic bounties that you have to turn in within x hours of buying the bounty. With the added time constraint it should be less common to win and more rewarding if you do, but still available to all to try.
8:15, anyone know how Datto's grenade cools down really fast? I know he's wearing Amamentarium, so he has two grenades, but that insta cooldown though. How? Is it just for defender titans or what?
Loot should be awarded based on the player's performance. My friend once asked me, "How do you get Legendary gear?" I told him, "Be the worst on the team. They always get the best stuff."
Once i got two exotic gauntlets (Don't Touch Me and Claws of Ahamkara) within three minutes of each other. I got DTM from Xur and CoA from a legendary engram.
These are all good ideas, but I doubt that they can be implemented into destiny as it is now. However, bungie's contract with activision states that there will be a sequel in a few years time, and another a few years later, so these could be implemented by then. The additional rarities thing is a great idea, and I'd add more than just 1. I would separate non-light bearing rare armour into 1 rarity, and light-bearing rare armour into another (call it 'pristine', indigo) with a light level max of 24; Then I would add said 'superior' (violet) rarity with a max light level of 28; Then legendaries (now red) would raise their light level max to 32; Then add another rarity (I'll call it 'mythical', orange) with a max light level of 34, with an exotic raising that level to 35. Also, weapons would require you to be within that level range, with pristine at 21-24, superior at 25-28, legendary at 29-32, mythical at 33-34 and exotics requiring you to be level 35. Vendors would sell rares at rank 1, pristines at rank 2, superiors at rank 3, legendaries at rank 4 and unlock mythical bounties at rank 4 (similar to exotic bounties now). Xûr would sell 1 item for each class, 1 weapon and 1 engram of each rarity from pristine to mythical for an exponentially increasing number of strange coins/motes of light. Limiting challenges to once per week instead of once per character per week would definitely help too though.
One thing I wish they would change is the weapon skins. In Tiger Strike missions, you can find very unique variants to the typical skins of all weapons, but they are only rare weapons. In Nightfall Strikes, if you get a Legendary weapon, it is just a faction weapon with a few different options. I feel that faction weapons should only be earned through the factions. If I get a legendary through a nightfall strike, I think it should be a little unique, and not so cut and paste. If any of you haven't seen weapons from Tiger Strike missions, google Surrender A, Anges III, Dead Air 09F3, Sir Isaac, Foresight 3, & Lock_Arete to name a few. They all have a different take on the normal weapon skins by adding a few more asthetic options to them, it is something I haven't seen on any Legendary weapon so far.
You make some excellent points and I really feel you have the experience to think through all aspects of these points. That being said, I feel like anything they try to do to it now will only make things worse. The hardcore, 18 hour-a-day players will still have every exotic in the game, but, if they make changes, all of a sudden the more casual 1-2 hour-a-day and not everyday players will be lucky to ever see an exotic in their inventory. My personal opinion on the matter is keep it how it is. The hardcore gamers can have all their good stuff like they want, and sure they may complain about something but let's face it, they'll do that anyway. And the casual gamers will eventually have a small pile of exotics that they'll treasure and remember exactly how they got it and it'll feel special just like they want. Plus let's face it, everyone will be throwing all these items out anyway probably with the first expansion but definitely by the second.
my thoughts on your thoughts is that keep doing stuff like this with these ideas and encourage the community to do so to push for changes because this is all really good stuff
I am a level 29 warlock on 360. 8 raids in and I have gotten one piece of raid gear. You should be able to earn raid marks and spend them at a raid vendor. The randomness is just too much. I know a level 30 with the vex who has done the raid once on normal and once in hard. That simply is not fair.
I think that you should be limited to getting one piece of raid armor, and one raid weapon a week on each character instead of getting rewarded for one raid a week.
RNGesus was with me on the raid, I did it for the first time about a week ago and I got all the raid armour, legendary ship and Athens epilogue.
Hey Datto, do you have any thoughts on the difficult aspect of the game? For example, the fact that when missions get hard all you need to do is find a room and run back and forth shooting enemies, slowly withering down there health. Do you think they need to make enemies more aggressive but have less health? Because the way in which Bungie goes about making missions and strikes hard is just ramping up the health and damage in return slowing the gameplay WAY down. I think raid difficulty is perfect but nightfall isn't even hard with all the cheese. There's a cheap way to beat everything in the game and in some cases it seems like the only way. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
Depending on your gear, sometimes the Nightfall is easier than the Heroic because of the huge damage boosts.
Exotics should ALL have some key quest-chain needed to unlock them. Aside from the Vanguard missives, we should be able to find some from completing Nightfall or say winning in the crucible.
I would've loved to see it as tasks with many stages which also tell the story of how such a weapon came to exist as well-as you go about completing it. Like say, you visit a old SUROS facility just to find the blueprints to START making the SUROS Regime.
Unique zones tied off to the Exotic quest chains themselves.
Honestly the current state of all this doesn't feel rewarding at all for Exotics. I even think Mythoclast should have a missive drop from normal/hard that requires a few Gorgon kills and maybe 2 Templar kills and one Aetheon hardmode kill to actually complete aside from a few other tasks mixed in.
***** That's going too far bud.
My point was in line with Datto how he was also talking about Legendaries in WoW.
Those took MONTHS to get. I'm only asking for these "quests" to be implemented and have better droprates in harder content(Most of them taking maybe 5 days max to complete).
Since they lowered weapons at Xur to 17 from 23 it's basically Welfare Exotics. (Personally I think Xur shouldn't even sell Exotics at best Legendary Engrams or ONE Exotic Quest bounty-if all Exotics went by Bounties with a set list for only 4-5 to be obtained through him.)
I totally agree that the thorn is a perfect example, the xyor bounty was so hard and it took me a few weeks to find willing players and I genuinely cried a bit with joy once I got it, but with the strange coins I genuinely still find it hard to get strange coins.
I prefer Borderlands loot system. There's still a RNG element but certain enemies have a better chance of dropping certain weapons which makes farming for loot less frustrating. The grind aspect is there but you feel like you have some sort of control over it in Borderlands, unlike Destiny.
but in borderlands it wasnt a challenge to get a legendary...
TheDeff001 nor is it in destiny Lmfao
borderlands will always be the best shoot n loot until destiny get's their shit together. in borderlands i knew the enemy was going to drop the weapon i wanted at some point if i kept on killing it and once you got that weapon after days of farming you felt accomplished because it took you so long in destiny this is not the case.
Try to farm the Harold at lvl 50 and you will find it really hard because the drop change is ~0,1%
borderlands had vendors in the torgue dlc that sold orange weapons for a currency forgot what it was now but that version of it would be significantly worse than one you'd get from a drop
I have an xbox one and lots of my friends haven't made the upgrade to next gen yet. I preordered the game and have 70 hours of playtime and only have one exotic (from xur)
This is because I am unable to get into a fire team of 3 players so can't complete things like the nightfall strike. What do you think of having the number of enemies in a strike vary on the number of players e.g have a set number of enimies and if there is 3 players multiply that number by three
Bungie said before the game came out that "you will see people with these legendary and exotic weapons and you will know what they went through to get it. you will have amazing stories every to tell for each piece of gear you have." My stories for each of my weapons and gear is "I got lucky" or "bought it from Xur." I believe this is most people's story for their gear as well. I want something more along the lines of daedric artifacts from the elder scrolls game. Lets have hard quest, not bounties because those are not interesting at all even thorn is just redoing what is already in the game, but quest that have us go on an interesting mission to retrieve or forge the exotics. This will let everyone have that interesting story of how they had to go to the nest of one of those dragon creatures flying around Venus and retrieve hawkmoon from the body of a dead guardian. Thats a story I would like to tell.
As for legendaries I think what they are doing with it now is fine. At least now when i finally get a legendary engrahm I know I got a legendary piece of gear even though the drop for legendaries is a lot less. What really needs to change though is completely random drops. Whether it is crucible or strikes the worst player should NEVER be given the best equipment. they should earn it. They can still be random but your chances of getting better gear should increase the more you do.
As for raid gear, something needs to change. I know guys who have had 3 of the same classes since launch and have yet to get 30. These guys have put in over 200 hours into the game and have yet to get max level because of RNG. Not lack of skill, not lack of trying, but because of RNG. I should never have over 100 shards and energy its FREAKING RIDICULOUS! The drop should look into my inventory see what I have and drop based on that. If I have three found verdict then it should not drop again. I know WoW people say "well in WoW if you played for only 200 hours then you would only be level 40" but its different. That is based on experience gaining not RNG. In WoW if i want to level up faster i play more; in destiny if i want to stop finally get to level 30 i cant do anything about it. I have been raiding three times every week even on hard and still have not gotten those fucking boots! and there is nothing more i can do about it. the game is punishing me for playing it the way they want me to! RNG is never good. RNG has made the raid, the BEST part about destiny, a grind! I can do it on normal with my eyes closed and a group i never played with before. On hard I have a group that can do it in an hour. Its pathetic!
Bungee needs to rethink how they do just about everything in Destiny. Unfortunately this may never happen and if it does it will be in destiny 2.
boots? bitch please, i play the raid 3 times every week both on normal and hard and i didn't get a single raid gear not even the vex mythoclast
i have a cool story about my mythoclast
and what is it
I like imagining how that line would work in practice.
"That's an awesome helmet! How'd you get that thing?"
"Oh, I shot into a hole for a while. A purple engram turned into this thing."
"Oh. That's... nice?"
"How'd you get that gun?"
"Well, I was in the Crucible. I got absolutely dominated, but at the end of the match, I got the Hawkmoon."
The only weapon I feel like I earned is the Thorn, and I won't use the damned thing until they buff it a bit. It's not a bad gun, but why would I use it over the Hawkmoon, or the Vision of Confluence?
I remember back in the day when Bungie first announced Thorn. I remember them saying it could be found in some kind of treasure cave. When I say treasure cave I don't mean like a loot cave as in an actual cave full of treasure. They said the only way to get Thorn was to find this treasure cave and fight your way in. It went something along those lines anyway I can't remember. But they released concept art of this cave and everything.
This is what I hoped the loot would be like. It's also what I hoped Destiny would be like. I imagined this massive open world where tracking down a cave was nearly impossible. I guess this idea went down the toilet once they restricted the areas and made them smaller.
Even so I think if Destiny was like this it would be amazing. It would take true dedication to locate exotics and true skill to fight past the enemies that guarded them. But hey I guess I can dream.
Can't edit because on phone but I just remembered the 'treasure cave' was called Charlamagnes Vault :)
Yeah, it was called Charlemagne's Vault.
***** activision wants money from us buying dlc
That's the game most people at Bungie wanted to make. The rumor/likely scenario is that something happened midway through development and instead of making a story driven game with lots of different missions and things to do they chopped up the content, cut out a lot of stuff and made it a simplistic grind fest in order to use the same content over and over. It's all in that Reddit AMA with an anonymous Bungie employee which I'm inclined to believe is factual.
I had always interpreted charlamagnes vault as a raid that had a chance to give thorn as a reward kinda like the mythoclast inVoG but they cut charlemagnes vault to squeeze money out of dlc
good commentary Datto, Its good too see that you analyse yourself and your thoughts before just shoving them on the internet like bungie forums and reddit
So.....after you (and your friends) have leveled up multiple characters, gained all the exotics you desire, have enough strange coins to fill a chest.....you are NOW asking Bungie to change the system so the other 99% of us can't even get them or have to spend a lifetime to get? Thanks Datto!
These suggestions would seem more noble had you said them before using the system to your own advantage.
Well, I don't think you need to play 3 character to buy a exotic gun from Xur every week. Doing the weekly alone give you 9 coins. All you have to do is get blue rare engram and decode them for the next. Heck, I gotten more coins from chest/engram then weekly alone and I only do tiger strike list to cap my vanguard marks.
I do kinda agree, I got Suros when I did the Raid and it was okay, but when I saw Xur sell it the Friday he comes out. It ticked me off and well I feel like what I earned was worth a lot, to worthless in a few days.
Actually give legendary engrams from crytach packages ever since patch i haven't gotten one legendary engram
they still do from crytach packages i had 2 just today
adam smith ive ranked up 7 times since always blue
wow xD
Not funny
Destiny Hernandez 8 packages now all blues
Hey Datto, love your analysis and discussion points as always. I do have a question, though. Since the game does tend to place people near other people of a similar "true skill" level and experience level in the crucible and matchmaking, Is it possible that players fairly advanced in progress in the game have a biased/skewed sample of the game experience? Not trying to sound like a populist, but I am curious as to what percentage of the regularly playing Destiny community even has a single exotic or legendary and if it's not too easy for a proper bell curve of the game. Do you happen to have any statistics along those lines?
I think exotics are way too common and should be only achieved through a long hard chain of quests, not random drop or buy it. I have zero exotics, but they seem way to easy to get.
Yeah try to the the bad juju bounty, weekly stryke, 25 strikes and then talk to xur :| this will take me over a week since you can do 5 strikes in 1:40 hour and if i do not finish by sunday in the night ill have to wait another week, and the thorn bounty, wtf gain 500 void pints in crucible 5 points per kill and minus 2 per death, and then do the moon strike in lvl 26 with heroic modifier seriusly? you think like that because you havent been awarded an exotic bounty, and the thorn is useless, the bad juju is somewhat useless, then why did i grind 25 strikes 500 void points, just to get a fucking underpowered gun? Atleast they will be buffing them in the next patch, oh and PS. The pocket infinity got nerfed and is now useless for pve
Holacom most of the strikes can be done in 10-15 minutes so that only 50minutes to an hour for 5 strikes.
you have zero exotic? yeah easy to get as you said i have 7 exotic so far it not that easy
Holacom And the crucible one isnt as bad as it sounds. If you consistently do pretty well, i think i was averaging like 40-50 points a game, it won't take you that long. One game I did really well and got over a 100 points. Of course if you have voidwalker, it is a bit easier since you can get a few cheap kills every now and then. And if you do happen to go bad , you need a k/d of 0.33 to go backwards in points, assuming all your kills are void.
i disagree because i have put in 100 hours into this game and i have only gotten 3 exotics and 2 were from xur
I agree with all that you have said and I love that your channel teaches me everything need to know about destiny
I'm a hunter and I have received 7 grinders cloaks. I WANT A FUCKING GOOD LOOKING CAPE AND NOT THE SAME ONE EVERY TIME!!!
I agree, I have seen so many people in the crucible, some join in late others at the bottom and get exotics and or legendary engrams which will sometimes turn to exotics. On top of that they don't earn it, then I see first place get noting, it makes me not want to play.
In this game, you can only have one exotic armor and one exotic gun on at a time. This is so fucking stupid
I agree with your point with the Thorn bounty because it was challenging and still is today, so if getting exotics were like that then it will be more rewarding for the player. The raid can have a matchmaking function because its hard to find 6 people willing to do a raid
I believe they should make exotics not drop in crucible. My friend hit level 20 in a crucible match, and right afterword was rewarded with hard light. He can school me online because I'm level 26 and I'm stuck with a rare primary and secondary. Do that, and the system is gold I say.
some of the lower tier weapons are pretty decent in pvp, the gallahad, shingen. i use the uncommon shingen c and do fine. sometimes it just takes a little while to get a feel for the weapon and tbh the hard light aint even all that i have it and that thing has some annoying ass recoil even with the buff.
What handgun are you using? been dying to know for a long time now, so why not jusk ask
Destiny's pvp loot system needs to be fixed, im sick of getting a massive amount of kills and points in control and getting jack shit for it
Very articulate and well thought out, I'd definately like to see the exotics become less random and more skill based in their acquisition,I just got my Thorn bounty today after turning in a single Crucible bounty. Happy as hell, but I doubt I did anything special to earn it. Anyway, keep it up, more videos!
"At least it doesn't feel like a big deal if you're a player who can buy something every week." This quote is the heart of your problem, Datto. Like you've pointed out, there are players who don't have time to play more than a couple of hours a week and who don't have time to level up three characters and as a result barely manage to get Strange Coins or random Exotic loot drops or Exotic bounties. So if there are players who barely manage to make the required amount of coins per week or get lucky with the RNG, why should they be penalized because the players who spend extensive amounts of time playing Destiny are getting everything quickly or more frequently? If you feel like you have every Exotic and there isn't anything special about them, then that is your perception. You could play the game less, but I suppose that doesn't stop you from perceiving this to be a problem with the game. You could dismantle your Exotics, since you feel like they are so easy to get and therefore you could easily get them again, although I doubt most players would be willing to do that.
Another thing, is that you take issue with players who don't do well in Crucible getting legendary and exotic weapons. You say that this game rewards you for losing, but that isn't the case. The game rewards you for playing, whether you win or lose doesn't matter. I can see why some people get upset at this, but this is done to ensure players have an incentive to continue playing the game. If players feel they need to be rewarded for their achievements, then perhaps increasing the chance for the top scoring player to get a legendary or exotic may help this. However, doing so brings you back to players who play frequently and spend a lot of time with the game getting more exotics or legendaries (assuming players who continually play get better at the game and are more likely to get top score) and feeling like they are all to common.
I completely agree with your first point, but i only partially agree with your second point.
I do think it is good that players are rewarded for finishing a crucible round, so there should always be a reasonble chance for players to get something out of the crucible. However, I am a pretty good crucible player (around a 2.0 KD and i finish first a lot), i am rank 3 on crucible reputation (so i played a lot), and I have not gotten any legendaries or exotics from playing the crucible. I find this system to be rather frustrating because there is currently no incentive to do well, you do not gain anything with it. I believe players that finish on the top of the scoreboard should have a higher chance to get good gear, because i have rarely seen a top player get something good whereas i have seen exotics and legandaries be rewarded to people on the bottom of the scoreboard with k/d's less than 0.50. I think the system makes some sense, but they have taken it way too far.
Agreed. I work ten hours a day and I have a wife and two children. I still play Destiny almost two hours a day. One legendary and zero exotics. It will feel special when I finally do get a Suros. Datto does Destiny for a living, and therefore should have the gear he has. I think time in game should be rewarded, with skill being a not too distant second.
username9312 there's getting rewards for playing and then there's getting spoon fed exotics for sitting in a fucking corner for the whole game personally if you get below a 2.00kd in crucible you should not have even a chance of getting a legendary never mind an exotic.
as you can see datto have so much time to play game
In every game, there are always the causal player and the elite/hardcore. Any good games (referring to MMO type game) will need content to handle both groups of players.
They need to make 2 tier of weapons, one which are grind fest which take time and patience to get while making a similar lesser tier that causal player can buy/get.
In this game, there no room for hardcore gamer bc we are cap at 1 Hard/Normal mode raid per character. Once that is done, we just sit in orbit and talk about shet all day bc there nothing to do LOL. Soon, people will be just logging on on Tuesday, do the raid and nightfall/weekly and log off the game till next week reset. When this time comes, the community for Destiny will be dead. Seen it far too many times.
I definitely agree with you Datto. I got a Suros Regime from a Vanguard Tiger mission.
Early on in this video you hit upon a major issue with society in general today - 2014 is the era of entitlement. Everyone gets a participation trophy. Competitions are now won by showing up, instead of by competing and winning. Angry parents whose kids suck shit at basketball ruined the world by forcing basketball tournaments to give every kid the same size trophy. The same applies in Destiny. Bungie got 'angry-parented' by casuals to allow anyone at any point in time to have the best gear for absolutely no reason other than luck and RNG - aka by participation. It's a real bummer that it's infecting video games to this extent, but I don't see it changing any time soon - which makes me sad.
You can literally see my point already in the fact that this video is already getting some Dislikes. This was an honest video with very valid points, but people want their damn participation trophies so much they have to hate on this video too.
I'm so tired of reading this stupid, stupid, stupid shit over and over. Every generation has been similar. Socrates made the same damned complaints about the youth in his day.
I don't give a fuck about anyone's memories of the "good ol' days," because they never fucking happened. It's just a stupid cognitive bias that people take way too seriously.
If things were so great before, they never would have changed.
You need participation trophies in a VIDEO game you should not have to play 10+ days to get some of the shit you want in a video game
Although I don't have any exotic weapons yet, they do seem easy to get. Especially with Xur. I def agree that maybe the price of exotic weapons purchased from Xur should be much higher. Or like you mentioned, take out the 27 coins with 3 characters.
Enjoyed the video commentary as always Datto.
My opinion on why Destiny is the way that it is...
I feel they had to dummy it down for the Non Elite players and Teens. The game is rated T for Teen. So, that is an audience that has to be accounted for. And, it is on Console. Yea WOW was more diverse and took your soul from your body in order to get stronger, but Bungie doesn't seem to want to go that route. They simply want a game that is fun for everyone, regardless of skill level. Which is fine, but it won't keep the hardcore players entertained for ever. Many advanced players will jump ship once division comes out. Yes there is the Raid(s), but people are simply finding ways to cheese the crap out of every challenge. Hell, I found a way to kill Templar by myself within 20 minutes. Not that I was looking, but the system has problems. I found a problem and exploited it. Do I do this often? No, but if I can do it while just casually f'ing off, then others will find other stupid ways to easily earn loot.
They didn't "dummy it down", their target audience was aimed at Teens and above, so right away they designed it for them. You are acting like they had intentionally made a Mature game for competitive gamers, and then threw in a bunch of bullshit to 'appeal' to teens and players that casually or socially play.
It isn't the game play that I mean is dummy downed. It is the loot system. Before, in all the demos they did, legendary gear was only dropped from bosses and actual challenges. Not completely random. I mean I have 18 different exotic weapons plus doubles of certain weapons.
How do you kill the Templar by yourself in 20 mins?
Use the relic to blast his shield off, use the Relics Death from above to get your detaining done off, switch to Ice Breaker or Rocket Launcher and damage until he teleports. It may have taken me 30 minutes all together to be honest but for a level 29 on hard mode, not bad.
Michael Harrington except you need to recharge the clensing everytime you put the relic down so I doubt there is no way you survived it.
They need to have something better than exotic in next few dlc's, maybe the colour of the gear could be orange and they could be called ultra gear? Maybe only have 10 in total and make them only attainable through very hard quests/bounties and future hard raid bosses
I think that if strike/raid bosses actually dropped loot, this wouldn't even be an issue. (Why the fuck don't bosses drop loot? I still haven't gotten a valid reason from anyone) If the bosses DID drop loot, you could tack on a lvl 28 and lvl 30 strike difficulty. These difficulties would enable bosses to have a chance to drop legendary loot and 1 kind of exotic that is unique to that boss ONLY (Maybe 2. Like a gun and a piece of armor? ie: Phogoth would exclusively drop Hard Light and Insurmountable Skullfort or something) And it could use Borderland's Boss RNG where only said boss would have a very small chance to drop the exotic. That way Bungie could live up to the statement where they claimed "You're gonna know what they went through to get their gear" or whatever. And since this game is a grind fest anyway, it would fit right in. But for some dumbass reason bosses don't drop loot, so just throw this idea out the window.
I also agree whole-heartedly with increasing the price of Xur's booty. Or even making the reward for the weekly 1 coin instead of three (Or 3 instead of 9) Good Vid Dattbro
Derton Mernyos Xur's loot doesn't need to change. If it did it would piss of tons of people who don't the time and/or patience to farm for Strange Coins.
Datto can you make a vid on all of your gear you have equipped? That would be great if u could thanks!
Datto Does Destiny's Level 30 Defender Titan - Raid Armor & Exotic Weapon Setup
He already did
Exotics are WAY too easy to get. I've gotten 9 weapons alone so far. Freaking 9.
5 were from the 5 different exotic bounties. 1 was from a legendary engram (MIDA multi-tool). 1 was from the Nightfall Strike (Hard Light). And the other 2 came from Xur (Suros and Ice Breaker).
The problem with Xur is that there's those cheap bastards that level up 3 characters, then do the weekly strike on level 28 per character, per week. That's 27 f*cking coins PER WEEK. As Xur's PRIMARY weapons are the most expensive, at 23, his special/heavy is 17, and his armor is only 13, the strange coins per character make the prices insignificant. You can literally buy at least 1 thing from him PER WEEK, with coins leftover. That's EXCLUDING the coins you get from engrams, events, etc.
Certain exotic bounties are too easy. SGA was a good example of one being too easy. If you stored 10 rare Fusion Rifles in the Vault for Pocket Infinity, that one was way too easy as well. I think Thorn is the best/most difficult/most balanced exotic bounty. Bad Juju and Invective were above the other 2 mentioned, but not quite at Thorn's level of difficulty.
This is broken and it needs to be fixed. I like the idea of level 26 Nightfall rewards legendaries, and a level 28 rewarding exotics. Here's my thinking:
1. NO exotics from Xur. OR increase the price of everything by A LOT. Make it like 30 for a primary, 25 for special/heavy, and 20 for armor. That's a decent price. It's high, but no out of reach. It also is made more difficult by this next piece.
2. DISABLE the ability to store coins in the vault. This will stop people from doing the strikes over and over again per character, and would stop people from getting an exotic every week. OR make it so that the weeklies can only be done ONCE per week, regardless of character.
Before you complain about me getting them from Xur, I never even created my other characters yet. I've saved up strange coins on my character for something worthwhile, like what sould be done.
Sir I am one if those people and I agree. Destiny becomes your bitch when you have three high level characters. It makes it that much more fun though! The thrill of exotics and such! Exotics don't break the game... I don't do too much in PVP but for PvE? It's a co-op game! Hell, I'm not one to complain about a good team mate with great weapons! We need harder challenges though ;{ but yes. The fact I get a guaranteed THREE exotics a weekend (not counting night falls) is crazy. I got 6 exotics in two hours! But I guess that's how it goes huh? Put in the time, get good stuff? Reap what you sow? I dunno it's a touchy subject but I for one agree with you to a point.
Are you crazy? 20 strange coins for exotic armor is too much especially since you can only 3 per week if you do the weekly heroic on easy and not many people are high enough level to do it on hard more, that means you have to wait 7 weeks just to save up enough coins unless you get some coins from engrams, which is still not common
I am sure no one will complain if it was cap at 1x weekly drop per account. But coins are so easily obtained, you can get 20+ a week from doing basic stuff.
Kou Vang yeah maybe if you play all day everyday, but people other shit to you know
A dedicated Destiny channel and now all the videos have become based on ways to improve the game. I think it speaks to the state of this game and how there is really nothing left to do for us players that have 100+ game hours. I've moved on already and I'm sure the player base will dwindle in the next month or so.
If you raise the price of weapons and armor to 40 strange coins or higher all that will happen is the rich will stay rich and the poor will stay poor I can only play on the weekends but thanks to the 13 strange coin price tag for exotic armor I have an exotic piece of amor for all three classes even though I don't have them all lvl 20 yet... If you jacked up the price that high the game would become way to grindy man it's already pretty bad since all the missions are the exact same it wouldn't help if you would make things harder to get... This is yet another video of yours where I honestly despise your ways to fix destiny it's actually annoying me.... Here I have an idea try making a new psn account and play 12 hours a week without a mic and no friends to walk you through the nightfall and vault of glass tell me how much legendary loot you get
I worked really tough for my ice breaker and it felt so great and I spend my life on this game and that was my first exotic gun and second for my exotics.
just sounds like you want exotics to go to the hardcore.
so team spacebus can then come in to the crucible and stomp everyone even harder than you currently do
Bungie need to decide if they want to go the route of WoW or Diablo and stick with one not 1/2 ass it between the two.
When everyone can get the same gear, what is there to work for? If you can go into a PVP match and afk and get loot, who stopping you from doing this.
AFK to get gear is a different thing and thats something Bungie will have to look at - but thats not a loot issue thats an assholes not playing the game issue, everyone can get the same in D3 but you keep playing for the fun of the drops - as there is more of them so you get side-wards upgrades.
Agreed
Hey DDD, another great video mate. What hand cannon is that?
In all honesty Datto, looks like the "Destiny Well" is getting a bit dried up for you. You've done everything. Gotten every weapon, armor, etc. I'm sure nothings challenging anymore. What is left there to do?....I guess make videos like this? There's still millions of people that the Destiny Well hasn't dried up at all and plenty to do. Goals to reach. Items to strive for, etc, etc....I'm sure Bungie will watch this, but I doubt it will cater to a handful of the elitists in stature. Could you have predicted making this video a month ago? ehh...probably not. Take a break from the game dude!:)
I agree this guy is finished everything and now is frustrated that everyone has what he has well if that is the case then go play something else rather than bitching about it...
He has a point though, it is far too easy to get exotics that are meant to be difficult to obtain. Exotics are supposed to be these amazing weapons, Bungie said you would remember the struggle you went through to get them. It just all feels too easy.
wxmryan92 you do realise that out of the millions of people who play destiny only like 5 to 10% of people actually has exotics legendary and done raids right? That's why I say keep doing what or doing bungie game is great like other guy said play another game and stop bitching dlc is coming in a couple months
courtgame If that statistic is true (which I don't think it is) then it is still too easy to get them. You can't argue that 17 strange coins (easy to get) is too low a price for an exotic. As for legendaries, they are even easier to get. If you compared the hours played to the exotics/legendaries, you would see that investing a decent amount of time would get you good gear.
It's not even skill though, I don't mind RNG but there should be some level of effort to get rewarded exotics. As Datto said, Thorn is a very good example of that.
As for the "bitching", being critical of a game is fine. I like Bungie, I have enjoyed Destiny, but they have done a fair bit wrong. Also, the DLC is over priced. But that's a different argument. The game is okay, it's fun but I can see people going off it once their library gets bigger.
wxmryan92
No, I totally agree and understand the point he's getting across here:) I just think that he's pretty much 'mastered' the game and all of it's tricks, etc. Especially having the time to get 3 high level characters of the same class (which in all honesty, not alot of people have time for or WANT to spend the time to do) to grind out coins, motes, armor and materials. I think he's hit a wall to the point that he's reflecting on "how" he got all the stuff he's gotten and there's nothing really left to do. I believe there's some frustration here. The "freshness" has lost it's luster. Maybe he should start a new account and do 3 Warlock or 3 Hunter classes? I don't know... Keep in mind also, him and a bunch of other people, PrimeGuard, have been obsessing, organizing and analyzing this game months and months prior to release. Not sure that has really anything to do with anything but yeah....Think a good break and a step back or maxing out another class may rekindle some of the 'freshness' that's gone till DLC cause otherwise we'll just get more videos like this....and Elitist point of view (which I'm not implying Elitist as a bad thing here:))))
Hey datto what does materials like spin metal or helium cores get you from crucible quartermaster
You basically want it to be all but impossible to almost get an exotic unless you no life destiny some people don't have the luxury of having a job were you sit down play games and make videos
Just because causal player don't have time to play should not limit the game to those player alone. It because exotic are so common that people are mad about this topic. (I love the fact that I got more exotic weapon than I can level up, but just getting them is no reward, it was a joke).
TheColonelAngel I work 10-12 hours a day and STILL have 9 Exotics. They're not hard to get in any way or form.
Better off making them all quest related then making flat drop rates and the quest chain would take the average player 2-3 days to complete.
It would feel rewarding then.
Ainrehtea Dal'nalirtu no they are not I have 4 exotics but if they changed the game to how he is saying then you and I wont be seeing an exotic for weeks maybe months.
Kou Vang and i agree but there has to be some type of balance. The way it is right now Its way to easy but the way he is recommending would make it so players like me who has a full time job and school and a kid would basically not see an exotic for weeks maybe months. I dont wana get home at 10 pm so i can grind till 3 am when i got work at 8 am.
i dont think that he means they should be that hard to get but not so that just an average player can get an exotic
Xur should be a permanent vendor, but only sell his exotic items on the weekends. In addition, Xur should also require reputation levels to purchase gear, similar to the other tower vendors. The reputation can be gained by wearing a "Mark/Bond/Cloak of the Nine" purchased for 5 SC and by doing bounties for the Nine. These will be harder-than-normal bounties, such as "Do a weekly strike without dying on level 28 difficulty" or "Kill a Weekly Strike boss in five minutes".
this may be a bit too difficult but i like ur idea.
What abilities and or armor do you have on to recharge your abilities so quickly
I got an exotic (warlock skeleton helmet) from nightfall and getting that felt SOOO good! Cuz i have not seen ANYBODY with this helmet, meaning its nice having an item not everyone can obtain from cue
I completely agree with you about most of the Bounty exotics being too easy to get. As much as I love the idea of them, they sort of feel like their own story missions, it only took me 30-45 minutes to get Super Good Advice this weekend.
I play for around 45 mins to an hour a day, and have done since the game came out. I have not yet got an exotic and am a level 26 hunter who has no time for second and third characters, any tips on getting exotics?
A possible solution to strange coins and exotic bounties is fairly simple. Xur instead of selling weapons and armor instead sells exotic bounties for say 25 strange coins. these bounties should be on the the same level of the Thorn bounty or harder and must be completed before Xur returns. This way not everyone will just be able to buy the best weapons, instead you are buying the opportunity to work towards the exotic. This takes out RNG for exotics and if the bounties are difficult enough makes the exotic feel earned, and others will stand in awe of your accomplishment of being able to complete the bounty in a week. Thoughts?
I totally agree. I got the Last Word handcannon from a reward at the end of a vangaurd tiger strike that took five minutes
Also Datto, I got the SUROS Regime from my first Nightfall strike. NOT XUR. I was so happy!
I have a few solutions:
For heroic strike coin drops:
Most strikes have 3 parts, example:
Devils lair has 3 parts, Mesh generator, devil walker Boss
After each part, you should get 1/3 of the strange coins you get in total. 1 for 22, 2 for 26, 3 for 28.
-although this is off topic, there should be matchmaking for the heroic strike, at least level 22.
As for nightfall, I like the two-tiered approach. One gives you legionaries, one gives you AT MOST, a 50% chance for exotics, and a guaranteed legendary
Also I like the idea of a class between rare and legendary.
Lastly, for DLC, the gear an weapons that are not from the raid better be a higher tier than the current legendary gear.
Further upgrades to the crucible loot system: Make consolation drops for people who don't get anything upgrade materials. Make it based on the map, so the maps on venus drop spirit blooms, while Mare cognitum drops helium filaments. Maps on earth would drop spin metal, and relic iron from Iron line, the mars map.
It's funny that you post this now, just earlier today I was playing Crucible and, i exaggerate not, EVERY player had an Exotic weapon, except for me of course :'(.
Because of the burn modifier, Nightfall Strikes are SIGNIFICANTLY easier than the weekly heroic. Especially with the primaries with elemental damage (Atheon's Epilogue, Vision of Confluence, etc.)
I have to agree with you Datto. Here's my exotic count. Exotic bounties: Pocket infinity, Invective, Thorn, and Bad Juju. Xur: Suros Regime, Ice breaker, and Truth. Random Drops/Engrams: Patience and Time and a Second Ice Breaker. Nightfall: Thunderlord. Raid chest: A second Patience and Time, A second Thunderlord (I actually got Thunderlord from the nightfall yesterday, and again from the raid today) The amount of exotics I have is ridiculous. They should be more rare, or at least extremely difficult to get. Not more difficult through RNG, but through tough, challenging missions (Like the Raid).
I think you're misunderstanding what the point of the Exotic is or attaching more value to it then it has. An Exotic is pretty much the same as a Legendary, but with some unique modifiers. It's not supposed to be an awe inducing thing to own an Exotic weapon. The reason the differentiation between Legendary and Exotic even exists is so that you don't just equip every weapon slot with them. They are special because you can only have one at a time equipped so you can only benefit from one special or "exotic" weapon modifier. So you can only have one weapon which regenerates ammo, or only one weapon that restores your health when causing damage, etc... Otherwise, in terms of power, Exotics are just barely meant to feel different then Legendaries.
You have got some very good points, only I agree with a lot of the comments below. You have put a lot of time in the game and got lucky a few times more. It's nice to randomly get rewarded for putting some time into the game, even if it was 3 minutes. Although unfair, but if it was fare it might be too predictable and it's nice to have a random chance at getting something cool. It's something that one of my regular friends has started doing in the clan and he congratulates every achievement and/or luck draw that the other get, remove the jealousy and just be happy for them.
I am rambling in my reply.
Everyone will want more, but I'm only 28 now with one character and I'm giving the game a lot of time. when I'm done with the one I'll carry on with another, leaving the last slot for a new class just before the expansion.
What question I have to ask is how is an expansion going to give the same amount of different content to a new player and a level 30?
What's the pistol your using in the gameplay datto
Some people work full time and go to school full time and play sports so I don't have time to dedicate my life to this game even though I would love to do so. I like the system to remain the same as is. It give me a chance to be even and gives me a fighting chance than somebody the does play all the time.
But that's just me....
What is the best level to enter the VoG on hard I'm level 25 and want to do it but I want my first run to go right what do I need
Maybe a crafting system where you have to go to various locations and go through challenges to get parts for exotics. Turn Xur into weekly crafter instead of a weekly vendor.
I randomly got hawk moon from a crucible match that i didn't do very well on and isn't that one of the best weapons in the game?
I think its perfect the way it is. You only earn 100 marks to buy gear from the respective Vanguards and Crucible Quatermaster. This means you'd have to put weeks of game time before being able to buy a whole set.
As for Exotic drops in Crucible, I feel there should be a logical reward system for PVP players. I just want to Crucible all day. Don't want to be forced into the story to gain rewards that will make me perform better in the Crucible.
This Trials of Osiris sounds good though :)
I know it's far from similar but, terraria's armour and weapons were well done, they had a good setup. The weapons that dropped randomly from enemies was next to impossible to obtain because of the low percentage drop, but it didn't feel like I was waiting hours getting it, and the terra blade was the best weapon in terms of getting it, the materials required were immense and getting the sword felt awesome, I poured hours into getting the sword, actually crafting it was a dream, it felt like its own reward, it was the pinnacle of the game, but still left you with things to do afterwards
Do u think there should be a pearlescent type of weapons which can be better than exotic or legendary
That would become easier to obtain for GRINDERS and the casual players would get dumped on when these hard core players get them.
covered it perfectly
I support the possibility of just expanding exotics bounties but, as you've said, revising them by making the tasks more difficult. I agree that the thorn bounty was a decent pain to accomplish, but through that pain gave not just a rewarding item but a rewarding sensation. And sometimes, the latter is equally needed with the former, if not desired. The times I get the thorn bounty again, I avoid it at all costs in fear that the enhanced Summoning pits would still give me a run for my money. The times I get super good advice bounty again... "eh," or "oh look, free ascendant energy breakdown." That's not how I should feel about an exotic weapon of any kind but it is how it is with that weapon.
You actually make a lot of good points. Let's hope Bungie listens.
I have an exotic armor piece and 3 legendaries(helmet gauntlets and shoes are legendary) but I'm still level 26. How?
First time, got a Mythoclast. Can't wait for the buff.
Coming from a person who only plays a few hours a week and who just got his first exotic (not from xur) this weekend I think you make a great point Datto. Sure I was angry how I couldn't get an exotic after playing a few weeks now, but when I finally got one I was overjoyed. I belive everything you said should be added to the game plus one other thing, trading. I know people say it will break the game but I just can't see how(reply if you have an answer to this). Like you said as a guy who can only play for a few hours a week I don't have time to make another class, So when I get legendary hunter leg armor from and engram I would like to be able trade it for legendary wizard armor. Also if someone has last word and wants thunderlord I would gladly trade if there was a system for that. I believe the loot system needs to be changed and Datto knows what has to be done to it.
I only play on the weekends, so random exotic drops feel pretty special to me
I completely agree with Datto because he has the right idea. Exotics are the best of the best and should be a challenge to get. His example of the Thorn exotic bounty shows this perfectly, a time consuming combination of PvP, PvE, and Framing.
Hi, is there a reason there is no matchmaking for Nightfalls and Weekly Heroics?
yea, the level of cooperation is much higher for these so throwing you in with randoms is not a good way to achieve success. :)
I 100% agree with everything you said. I love this game but these item drops are breaking it. I hope any of the devs see this video and take on board your very valid points. Keep up the great work buddy.
I completely agree with you, very well said, Datto.
i completed the Vanguard tiger strikes on venus and a guy who afk'd the entiore strike and ended with 4 kills was rewarded with Patience and Time the Exotic Sniper rifle, A Unbelievably powerful one. The one that gives you active stealth while aiming down the scope
My idea to fix it was to make it possible to turn 3 specific exotics into something like a legendary exotic or something, ex: combine bad juju, red death, and the last exotic pulse rifle to make an exotic legendary that would have all there passives, strong stats, and high damage(pve). These would be difficult to get, as you would need to get 3 exotics of the same type from rng, then you should have to do a REALLY difficult bounty to complete it
Maybe the superior class idea is good, but it may be too late to implement something like that as many players are already above the threshold that those pieces would create, maybe adding something above exotic?
This is pretty funny. I had this video running in the background while I complete my daily bounties. As I'm turning in my bounties, an Exotic bounty popped up. Awesome! The only problem is, I have completed every Exotic bounty available in the game. Maybe I'm just lucky but there's no way I should already be working on my second round of getting repeat Exotics. I agree with Datto, these Exotics are feeling more like Rare's as the weeks progress. Oh the irony.
Hey Datto do you think that Bungie will eventually put out a higher level of loot and keep exotics the same way. This could be the way that Bungie will get loot that is extremely hard but rewarding and they could learn from the exotics on ways to earn them in a good, challenging, and rewarding way.
I totally agree, I've now got 7 exotic weapons & 3 exotic armours. Before the game came out we all thought the exotics would be really hard to obtain then we found out about Xur. I was very excited to try & grind away to get the Suros Regime but then Xur had it one week & I was slightly disappointed because now I have the best auto rifle in the game & we was only about 3 weeks in. I thought I'd have to grind for like 4-6 months before I got this weapon having to level up other legendary guns before I even got a sniff at anything exotic.. Yes I'm happy I've got the Suros fully upgraded but I'm also disappointed because now I've got no real reason to mess with any other auto rifles. I've got the Atheon auto rifle so now I switch between that & the Suros depending what exotic I want to use at the time.. Bungie has let the community down on lots of issues & all these issues should have been sorted a long long time ago. The game got delayed for a year after it was announced at E3 & during the PS4s big conference. Well now Boarderlands out & COD Advanced Warfare will also be out soon I can easiy see Destiny being phased out like Titan Fall & many other big promised games.. But I guess Bungie done really care now they are all minted & living in mansions.. Hopfully I'm wrong & they can improve the game & not go OTT with all these updates & hot fixes. Seriously 34% on the Vex, if they had to reduce it by that much then clearly someone wasn't doing there job right in the first place when I came to weapon balancing.. Ok rant over with, everyone can go back to grinding at Destiny..
I think that something that would make the events better is more exclusive armor. If you were to get the whole armor set then you might look like a complete bad ass and have a sweet boost to you. for example for queens would give you a purplr mist that fallows you or full irono banner gives you a sweet boost to all stats or like small golden lines all over your amor.
"Make me go to the raid and get a component from Atheon or something"
Seems like someone on Bungie took that idea to heat.
I think they should make it so the agent of the nine sells bounties for the exotic weapons or armor not just giving it to you straight up. This way people need to actually put in some effort into getting them
The casual players get about 5-8 strange coins a week or two, and whenever they randomly get an Exotic, they do cry of happiness, my point is, don't complain because your hurting yourself by playing for 14 hours a day.
There should be tier ratings for the spots in the Crucible, say bottom or bottom two get uncommon, mid range is rare, and top has a chance for legendary.
I disagree with the Xur bit, I love it when Xur comes to the tower because it's always interesting and fun to see what he brings. Last weekend was a shame though because I already had Truth. On all other parts I agree with most of the things you say. But I have a question, we have Daily Heroic, Weekly Heroic and Weekly Nightfall. Because I'm always looking for a challange and cool gear, then what do you think about a Daily Nightfall mission? I've had this on my mind a while now and I think it's a damn cool idea!
Two things bother me the most.
1. Crucible Reward system. I think you should have a certain KDR in Clash and certain amount of Caps in Control to get ANY reward. I cringe when I do poorly in Crucible while playing with my clan because I'm so scared a Legendary item will drop for me.
2. Upgrading Gear. Most of my Gear has not been fully upgraded because I can't stand the thought of entering PvE just to runaround and get materials.
Great video as usual, man.
I think overall the lottery is fine (this coming from a guy who's run the raid 5 times, and only got Ascendant Materials), but I think there should be more variety on earn-able weapons and gear (other than Exotic Bounties). Maybe special story missions with a hard boss at the end, but it's a hidden story that you have to find on Patrol, and the location of where to find the mission is from a character who's location changes on the map, like Xur; but less frequent than once a week (and that is how to construct a run-on sentence).
I think Xùr should turn up with exotic bounties that you have to turn in within x hours of buying the bounty. With the added time constraint it should be less common to win and more rewarding if you do, but still available to all to try.
8:15, anyone know how Datto's grenade cools down really fast? I know he's wearing Amamentarium, so he has two grenades, but that insta cooldown though. How? Is it just for defender titans or what?
How do I get an exotic weapon? Also I've got full legendary armour and an exotic helmet and I'm only level 26 what the hell please HELP!!!!
Dato what shader are you using
Loot should be awarded based on the player's performance. My friend once asked me, "How do you get Legendary gear?"
I told him, "Be the worst on the team. They always get the best stuff."
I totally agree I got truth in the first week of destiny from coming 4th on the losing team in a random control match
Once i got two exotic gauntlets (Don't Touch Me and Claws of Ahamkara) within three minutes of each other. I got DTM from Xur and CoA from a legendary engram.
Ahh. I love watching these older videos, back when destiny was so weird to me.
These are all good ideas, but I doubt that they can be implemented into destiny as it is now. However, bungie's contract with activision states that there will be a sequel in a few years time, and another a few years later, so these could be implemented by then. The additional rarities thing is a great idea, and I'd add more than just 1. I would separate non-light bearing rare armour into 1 rarity, and light-bearing rare armour into another (call it 'pristine', indigo) with a light level max of 24; Then I would add said 'superior' (violet) rarity with a max light level of 28; Then legendaries (now red) would raise their light level max to 32; Then add another rarity (I'll call it 'mythical', orange) with a max light level of 34, with an exotic raising that level to 35. Also, weapons would require you to be within that level range, with pristine at 21-24, superior at 25-28, legendary at 29-32, mythical at 33-34 and exotics requiring you to be level 35. Vendors would sell rares at rank 1, pristines at rank 2, superiors at rank 3, legendaries at rank 4 and unlock mythical bounties at rank 4 (similar to exotic bounties now). Xûr would sell 1 item for each class, 1 weapon and 1 engram of each rarity from pristine to mythical for an exponentially increasing number of strange coins/motes of light. Limiting challenges to once per week instead of once per character per week would definitely help too though.