How Breeding REALLY works I Pokemon Theory
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0:00 How Pokemon Breeding works
4:53 Nidoqueen can't breed
7:47 How ditto works
9:42 legendary Pokémon eggs
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Teaching us pokemon adults about the pidgeys and the beedrills
Eggs were a culmination of mixing the infinity energy between two “parents,” that way Pokemon could remain rated PG, change my mind.
Yeah no. I think they tried but it wasn't successful. Now you can just use mixing infinity energy as a euphemism for some very fun things
@@steakismeat177 Yeah, but the point Levi is making is that the games and anime are still rated PG and gamefreak and the pokemon company get to keep their hands clean if someone find rule34 or e621 content in their kid's browser history.
Or perhaps people just have dirty minds.and think breeding on other planets or universes works the same way it does here.
The Pokedex section of the 1996 Japanese Red & Green guide (thanks DYKG) specifies that the Nidoran breeding period comes in the spring and the two eggs hatch in the summer, one male and one female. And it shows little purple baby Nidorans that haven't developed the distinguishing traits.
It also says directly that Nidorina loses the ability to lay eggs when they evolve.
Obviously many, many things have been retconned since then but clearly some details remain
My theory on Manaphy: it's a regional form of Phione. Looking at regional forms, breeding them makes the baby match the region it's in, not the form the parents have. Thus, Manaphy is what happens when Phione or Manaphy breed in the correct region (which looking at the Pokédex suggests the deepest parts of the oceans) while being anywhere results in a Phione.
That makes a lot of sense.
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Great video Bird Keeper Toby. I’ve always wondered how Pokemon breeding works especially with all the different egg groups and with cloning in Pokemon.
The main theory I would always hear about Nidorina and Nidoqueen was that they mimic Rhinos in real life, in that they will either become infertile or simply refuse to breed in captivity. Rhinos aren't the only creatures that do this, but they certainly are the one that haven't been known to intentionally abuse pregnancy for extra food (something Pandas do)
In the games, the eggs do actually break and the Pokemon hatches. Its only in the show where its treated like Evolution 😅
Thank you for explaining this! 😊 I’ve always seen it this way as well.
I’m thinking of making a video about the opposite end of a Pokémon’s life cycle: what happens when they die? That’s interesting too because we have graveyards, fossils, and ghosts.
So Toby, why is it that when two different Pokemon species breed, the offspring is the same as the mother?
Idk that anyone really knows. It doesn't make sense in a biological way either.
I can't imagine there'd be a clear-cut answer, since, by the definition of a species, if two organisms can breed together, exchanging genes at all, they would be of the same species... so either Pokémon species are defined differently from real-life species (I'd suggest egg groups could be like real-world species, but the fact that a Pokémon can be in two different egg groups kind of messes that up) or breeding in Pokémon is non-genetic (not that non-perfect IVs are directly inherited anyway)
I will say, though, that the idea that Pokémon breeding is just inheritantly different than real-life breeding can probably account for most of that lol
I've thought about it like a cross between fertilisation in sexual reproduction and plasmid exchange in prokaryotes. The majority of the genetic information (base species information) comes from the mother, the father just contributes (a) small plasmid(s) of DNA which can encode for things like IVs, egg moves, other heritable traits. Pokémon might have different cell surface receptors to facilitate these exchanges which is why we have egg groups. Plasmid exchange between mature individuals could also explain how egg moves can be 'taught'.
Things begin to fall apart when you consider things like selective heritability of regional forms, but there are possibly ways to explain this with epigenetics/DNA methylation and gene switching...
Idk I'm an immunologist not a geneticist, but I think there's nothing in Pokémon breeding which is beyond the ability if hypothetical biology to explain!
Small problem with the idea that Phione is a Ditto clone of Manaphy is that in PLA Manaphy is seen with a group of Phione in a time and place where Ditto doesn’t appear to exist. It’s possible they came from Kanto in the south where Ditto may exist but I still find this unlikely.
Perhaps that also explains why Paradox Pokémon can't breed as they have unstable DNA, because they are imagination given reality or the DNA is somehow negatively impacted by the travel through time.
I wouldn't necessarily say any of them, though they are all good suggestions. I would say it's more a factor of the ancestry, in other words, while a Great Tusk is an assumedly Prehistoric Donphan, because of the billions of years of genetic evolution and mutations and such the genetics between them are so different from each other that they are no longer compatible with each other, if that makes any sense. I think Future Paradoxes are a bit different from that too, while sure many of the dex entries mention a biological component to the Future Paradoxes, it's more that there's so little of the biological component and such that there isn't enough to use to reproduce, if that makes any sense.
@lordofninjas1 this would mean that there should be a past paradox and future paradox egg group, which there isn't. They simply can't breed at all
@@vexatiousfae7090 not exactly, that isn't saying they would be able to breed with each other either, for much the same reasons, for the Future Paradox ones a robot can't breed with another robot, it would be like Robocop trying to breed with another Robocop, if that makes any sense. For Past Paradox again their DNA and such would be so different from each other that they would not be able to breed, like a Mammoth wouldn't be able to breed with a mushroom who wouldn't be able to breed with a set of walking magnets etc. basically, the same reasons I provided for why they can't breed with other Pokemon are the same reasons why they can't breed with each other.
The reason we see that Nidoqueen baby in the first place is because it is a clone in context to that movie
Yeah, while at first it most likely was planned to be just biological evoultion, it's clear that it was changed once the mechanic was implemented into the games. In an old, japanese-only expanded Poké Dex, Nidoran♀ is explicitly stated to LAY eggs, and Nidorina is stated to "lose the ability to lay eggs upon evolution" (Source: "Pokemon's LOST Official Pokedex Ft. Nob Ogasawara & Nekkra" from DidYouKnowGaming). However, if memory serves me right, right away in Gen 2, Elm states that no one has ever seen a Pokémon lay an egg, and that's why a random day care finding a Pokémon egg was such a big deal. So it has always been a magical process.
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I think it's just cause some pokemon don't breed well in captivity, like rhinos who Nidoqueen is based on, is the reason for said pokemon not breeding. I don't think that it CAN'T breed, it's just it doesn't care to in captivity.
Aaah, I would've loved a mention of Volbeat/Illumise.
They're the only example other than Nidoran F/M, where the eggs produces can hatch into either of the two, making them a shared family despite not having any shared stages in their evolution!
My headcanon has always been live birth, and then wrapping them in a solid “egg” of Infinity Energy to mature them, which is why XY refers to Eggs as cradles.
Yes the transferral of Special Energetic Material Entering Nature. Also the eggs do hatch in the games. They don't in the anime which has taken liberties with the games
Another point for the Nidoran clone hypothesis: they can be found right by Viridian City. Sure, that might just be why Giovanni has the line in his team, but it fits with the idea that they were testing their tech on a Pokemon that they had on hand.
Diance should have produced eggs of Carbink.
I've always thought that it would be a really cool idea if there were a Mythical pokémon responsible for eggs. Sort of like the idea of a stork delivering a baby, this Pokémon puts down an egg and then, perhaps, the pokémon around the egg influence its development
Nidoqueen being clones fits with other gen1 theories where Ditto are failed Mew clones and Koffing/Grimer are Ditto that were exposed to harsh chemicals. As time has gone on Koffing are found natrually gathering where the air is dirty likely coming from volcanoes then migrating to places with heavy industry while Grimer really are animated sludge. Ditto would then either be like a piece of Mew or something inevitability with magical creatures. Hard to explain Nidoqueen as natrual.
Google menopause, that explains it.
the cloning theory for the Nidos is interesting and not one I had heard before. I'm not sure who I had heard it from or what the exact wording or anything was, but I remember a bunch of years ago I had heard someone on UA-cam suggest in a video that the reason the Nidos can't reproduce with each other is because of them being based on lndian Rhino or something like that and the extreme difficulty of getting that specific species to reproduce, especially in captivity. Not sure how accurate that is, but that's a theory that has stuck with me for a while.
I though to offical bit on phinoa was that since it hatches in a diffrent type/biome of sea it will hatch into one of the two, at least thats what i read some were to make it game related since it was a part of the first rangers game and you sent it to diamond/pearl/platinum making it still hatch into o e but since you then bread it in the new/other biome it becomes the other
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That really makes sense about the Nidoqueens being clones, with the Nidoran's being the only gender different Pokemon being identified as separate entities in the Pokedex.
Also, those baby Nidoqueen are adorable!
Volbeat and Illumise behave the same as Nidoran.
I guess I was more thinking about the naming convention. (Although I actually like that they are separated.)
But you highlight a brilliant point, especially with their similar breeding capabilities. Gives me a greater appreciation for the Firefly Duo.
I just KNEW I heard that cradle line somewhere
Look, all I'm saying is they missed an opportunity with Bombirdier.
Could the undiscovered egg group be live births
IF EGGS ARE NOT EGGS BUT JAMES TALKS ABOUT SCRAMMBLED AND BOILD EGGS REAL ANIMLES REALLY DO EXSIST IN POKEMON
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The food thing might just be as simple as it requiring a large amount of energy to make an egg. If two Pokemon are literally creating a new living thing, I imagine that'll be quite draining. Maybe they need to load up on calories before they can reproduce.
I believe the baby Nidoqueen is because of it being a spawn of a cloned Pokemon
I’ll keep praying for the day that they make mew the “ditto” for legendary Pokémon
How do the different water egg groups work? Could it be based on what source of water they came from?
Looking into it a bit, it seems like it's more the type of aquatic life/water type they are. Water 1 seems to be mostly Semi-Aquatic Water types (Water types that can go both on land and water and be ok), Water 2 seems to be mostly fish and the occasional Cephalopod, and Water 3 seems to mostly be aquatic invertebrates (things without a spine) like Jellyfish and Starfish and stuff like that.
@@lordofninjas1 I see.
I preferred the Chao Garden in Sonic Adventure DX Directors Cut, because it had a more organic feel.
Nice
How Pokemon Breeding Really Works: Answer Ditto's with perfect EV's and IV's get a lot of action lol.
That is an interesting idea, but if all you need is a sharing of infinity energy, then you should be able to get that with two males or two females. Unless there's something specific that is needed to do this.
Maybe there's a bit of Intent behind it, like, the people just kind of...expect it to happen with male and female. And then suppose it's not necessary for genderless, and there's not enough thinking about breeding with legendaries to make it possible for them?
@@ajbXYZcool Possibly.
Infinity Energy
to throw another curveball at you, pokemon hatching might be a different thing from pokemon being born. ive been doing my own pokedex research and paras specifically gets weird with it, describing being born and being hatched from an egg with different circumstances behind their mushrooms for each. it is… slightly frustrating
So where do mayonnaise comes from in the pokemon world?😮😮
I think the fact that Pokemon don’t breed in the traditional way, is now the new saddest part of their existence
got me wondering now if theres a connection between Route 34 (the daycare / ditto in pokemon gold).... and the Rule 34....
moving on,...
Umm, I think we know how breeding works lol
or the real life eggs are only the ones chansey gives to people tp eat
So legendaries dna is too "complicated" for ditto, yet manaphy is an exception because it's mostly water so it's more simple 🙄. I guess regice must be made of mostly "complicated" stuff then.
Whole video was some major bs, but that was the tipping point for me. That's not how dna works. Besides, Ditto can transform into any pokemon. If the reason it couldn't breed with legendaries had anything to do with their complexity, surely it's ability to perfectly copy them would be affected too.
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i think there are two way pokemon are able to breed, there is the more common way such as fusing of energy and then there is the biological, the energy fusion one is more common due to the fact that pokemon don't need to carry around a child and that the pokemon that is created is a sort of clone being an adult as soon as it comes out of the egg allowing for quick reproduction. now im going into a hypothesis for biological reproduction, biological reproduction dose exist but is less common due to there being risks being the need to actually rise a child, in vulpixs pokedex entry it says that newborn vulpixes have one white tail that later splits into 6 as it ages, but as we see in the games and anime vulpixes that hatch from eggs have all 6 already meaning that the pokedex is either false or there is another way of reproduction that is less used.
additionally we i can add the froslass side quest of arceus which is basically a retelling of a Japanese story that in which in said the main characters has kids with a Yuki-onna, since this story is basically a 1 to 1 but with froslass instead with a lot of parts cut out, we can assume that this human had children with a froslass, and since as far as we know humans dont have lay eggs in the pokemon world this would mean there is only one other way of reproduction.
so uhh yea.... thatshow i think about it.
I shall die on the hill that Pokemon reproduce the same way that real world animals reproduce
All Pokemon with biological origins (as opposed to legendary or man made origin) all come from Mew, there is biology present
Humans in the Pokemon world aren’t the same as us, they have the potential to learn psychic abilities or use aura
This means there is evolution, that DNA is shared between two parents, sharing infinity energy isn’t the same as sharing DNA, if reproduction was with infinity energy then that energy could be manipulated into other forms, that would mean 1 Lucario and 1 Ditto could create 1 Kubfu because the Lucario would be able to use it’s aura powers to reshape the infinity energy to be Kubfu shaped.
Why can’t Nidoqueen reproduce? Because it’s one of very few species that aren’t able to reproduce in captivity (or at the very least the likelihood of them reproducing in captivity is extremely low) which is something that can happen in the real world
I was thinking the same but you worded it way better than I could
Nah, it's dirty thoughts all the way down.
Ditto is a lol
I've always hated that nidoqueen can't reproduce. It feels like one of those things they would have fixed a while ago, not to mention that nidoran male and female take up 2 slots when every other gender difference pokemon takes up 1
nah
I reckon Pokemon are capable of breeding through Pokemon Eggs and through more "traditional" methods.
I've got my own theories about Pokemon reproduction. I'll try to summarize here:
- The majority Pokemon have the ability to reproduce biologically in the wild, even those that can't breed in the daycare. This is distinct from breeding in the daycare.
- Breeding in the daycare is done by mixing the raw Pokemon energies of the parent Pokemon. This is why things like nature, IVs, and ability can be passed down.
- The way egg groups work isn't biological, but rather that the energy of particular Pokemon is adapted in a certain way. All Water 2 Egg Group Pokemon have adapted to swim similarly to irl fish, both their bodies and their energies. All Flying Egg Group Pokemon have adapted to be able to fly by flapping their wings in a bird-like manner and manipulating the air around them with their energy. All Dragon Egg Group Pokemon have draconic powers, even if not Dragon-type. Things like that.
- Ditto can copy the energies of other Pokemon, hence why it can breed with others.
1:49 Was that finally an admission that Infinity Energy is not raw Pokemon energy? 👀
6:02 Illumise and Volbeat are the same way. Breeding with a Volbeat can result in Illumise eggs, and vice versa. They're gender counterparts.
You lost me when you said Nidoqueen is a clone. I think the theory about real-world rhinoceroses having issues breeding in captivity being the inspiration for the weird Nidoqueen situation makes more sense.
I'm of the opinion that Manaphy needs to be in cold-enough water to breed more Manaphy, with the warmer water resulting in Phione. This is backed up by the Pokedex. The natural energy of the world changes the results.
Sexual dimorphism isn't just present in animals. It's present in humans, as well. That's how we know the difference between men and women.
Well humans are animals
Finally someone says it ! Here's what I think. Pokémon can reproduce the way we do, but only with their own species. As for the Eggs, Arceus creates and sends them.
The Sinjoh Ruins event are the only moment in the entirety of the Pokémon franchise where we can see an Egg being created. Cynthia even wonders afterwards if it has anything to do with the mystery of Pokémon Eggs, which I feel like is Game Freak telling us through Cynthia that it is.
Though, the help of the Unown might only have been necessary in the Sinjoh Ruins event because Arceus is creating a legendary Pokémon. It's not your average Rattata, for normal Pokémon it probably can do it on its own.
So basically Arceus creates and sends Eggs to two Pokémon who get along well. But it makes me wonder, can humans do that too ? Like, reproducing the way we do with other humans but recieving Eggs from Arceus with other species ?
We are animals too technically, with a common ancestor with monkeys, so humans probably are a Pokémon species in the Pokémon world, and since it's a magical process, they can recieve an Egg with Pokémon from the human-like Egg Group.
At least I think they can, but they don't because humans don't consider themselves as animals/Pokémon anymore. But they probably did in the times described by that book in Canalave City's library where humans and Pokémon lived as one, with no differences between the two.
If that's the case, then why can't i breed 2 males or 2 females what would the evolutionary of having different sexes with in a different species even be
And before you say "it's sexual dimorphism," not all pokemon that have 2 sexes have sexual dimorphism, so that can't be the answer
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Toby, you shouldn't be mixing the universe of the anime with the games, things in the games like "undiscovered egg group" is obviously so you can't breed more legendary Pokemon, they're legendary for a reason
Nidorina and Nidoqueen being in the undiscovered egg group is just because of their supposedly queen Victoria or something inspiration where she'd only have kids at a young age and then enter menopause just as early too, but for game purposes that is just ridiculous, stupid, and illogical and should have been changed ages ago.
Also the female Nidoran line isn't a clone, it's just the female counterpart to the male Nidoran line, just like Volbeat doesn't have a "female Volbeat" but Illumise instead as the counterpart (which speaking of that, it's utterly STCHOOOOPID that GameFreak hasn't linked Tauros and Miltank yet so Miltank can have Tauros eggs...)
Welp tho video angered Pokemon perverts lol
Yea because it's a kids game they won't show sex but yea which is stupid considering what pokemon is and the all the more adult things and themes that they have shown but suddenly sex is of limits and they don't let you breed a most legendary and mythicals and a ditto because it would be to easy to get danm near perfect ive's/ev's shiny legendary's/mythicals
My theory is we don't see any mention of sexual breeding because the game isn't rated for that and that's not the kind of story/nature documentary they want to tell, so they gave us a "storks bring babies" kind of explanation to circumvent what we all know is happening and as the franchise grew that little white lie needed justification. And if there's one thing Gamefreak and the pokemon company are good at doing, it's doubling down. Also I remember hearing (maybe it was in a did you know gaming) that the nidos can't breed because of a programming error in early games, and then it just never got changed and became canon because doubling down.
this video needs to be age restricted