The New Acura TLX Type S Changes the Game For FWD-Based Architecture - (Track) One Take
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The last time we saw "Type S" badged on an Acura, it was over 12 years ago, but those of us who were there remember that "Type S" wasn't just an appearance package. Those cars got their own engines, suspension setups, and interiors, too. Now, the Type S is back, this time on the TLX Sport Sedan. It's got a unique, 350HP twin-scroll turbo V6 mated to a close-ratio 10-speed automatic and Acura's trademark "Super-Handling" all-wheel drive. In order to celebrate their new sedan's sporting credentials, they turned me loose on Laguna Seca to see how the TLX Type S handles basic track work.
Acura provided transportation, lodging, meals, a personal vehicle, and a race track for this review.
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The New Acura TLX Type S Changes the Game For FWD-Based Architecture - (Track) One Take
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13 Years ago...I'm thinking late 90's or early 00's....nope...2008. Thanks for that reminder I'm old, Matt.
Hard same.
I was born in 2000 and still think of 10 year ago as the 90s before i was even born
I am only 24 and I felt old with that comment lol
Sign up another 27 year old to this list of grandpas...
Yup here too.
Lots of reviews released upon embargo lift, but Matt's review is one I value most given his vast experience of driving countless performance cars
Exactly, So far he's the only reviewer i watched that didn't have to drive with the group because of his experience, Mentioned how much throttle input while turning to really send the message of how good it rotates that was awesome.
@Vq37 hr I’d see your point if Doug was pretending to evaluate cars’ track and canyon dynamics, but he doesn’t. He’s honest and not pretentious, and I guess not for you OR me. I prefer Matt’s take, but Doug isn’t pretending to be Matt.
@@TriHarderKenp yea not pretending to Matt and has his own niche. The main channels I prefer and watch for every vehicle are Matt for performance, redline reviews for overall how it’s like to live with the vehicle and basic features and Doug for,
well Dougisms. Obviously depending on the type of vehicle you’re watching is going to depend on what channel skews towards being more relevant.
@@joshtavenner3073 oooh Redline Reviews, eh? I’ll check them out. Never heard of them/seen their stuff. Thanks!
TST is always a good one to check out when these new cars are getting reviewed. Savagegeese is one of the best car reviewers on UA-cam too if you haven't checked him out. Really great production quality to his videos and he can drive.
Acura: Real Increases
Engineers: Lets increase the weight linearly to the power increase.
I promise you it wasn't the engineers who wanted to do that
Real Torque vectoring awd will that to should've used a lighter/weaker awd like normal cars.
Bruh when I heard 4200 pounds... no fucking way heavier than my 4th gen?!
@@E82N55 - 4200 lbs is just straight embarrassing.
@@E82N55 4 gen are kind light.my 3.5 is 3650,kinda light for being big.
So refreshing to hear a review where every sentence doesn't mention.a comparison to the competition. Way too many reviewers love to mention the rivals when discussing almost every aspect of a car. I love the focus on the merits and/or demerits of the car itself, as itself.
The age group driving expensive Acuras now are the same dudes that owned an EG or a EM1 back in the late 90s & early 2000s
I find it crazy that this TLX weighs as much as my 2022 MDX ASpec
And their T levels have significantly dropped
You're exactly right :)
if i turned rich right now a newer NSX would be in my daily driver rotation 😃🤔
@@TheRealEMURSE fuck yes
Can't you just say a civic instead of being a nerd
Ohhhh man!! I'm an old school fan of acura. My first car was a Legend, and to see this makes me so happy!
The 2nd gen legend was the most beautiful car Acura has ever put out
@@ThreeNTheMornin truth has been spoken! Future project will be a second gen coupe!
I learned long ago, riding in a then-new 1st gen RDX, to never underestimate Acura's SH-AWD system. It's ability to shuttle around torque to the effect of solid turn-in, is full of driving goodness.
I agree i have an 09 acura rdx shawd and its so amazing on the winding roads no understeer i love the way it pushes you out of a hairpin turn quite effortlessly
I love how he pitted because he didn't want to get stuck behind slower drivers.
I was pretty surprised to hear this thing is 4,200lbs. It isn't the perfect sports sedan by any stretch, but I think it's more handsome than its competitors.
It doesn't have a timing chain tensioner that will kill itself at any moment, like the German's do
Has some tuning potential considering it has a v6 turbo with forged internals, other than that it’s a performance sedan only good for driving to the grocery store
@@JHONNYR98
As someone with an Audi A6 I can definitely say this is a very strong positive of the TLX.
I mean the forged crank and rods sounds pretty handsome to me
it is a luxury car first (type S) and it has a lot of chassis bracing and is a big car. Its about where similar sized luxury cars are
BMW needs to hire the guy who did the exterior and fire the guy who mauled the 3/4 series.
So glad Acura is getting it right since the RDX. Excited for the new products to be released
I don't know man. The TLX looks like they could just slap a big H badge on it and send it overseas to be sold as any other Honda. Its too big and heavy in my opinion.
@@oscarkabowski8413 honda models are lighter since they lack the insulation and body structure enhancements of the acura platforms. This tlx is longer, wider, and lower than an accord and has double wishbone suspension (which most BMW's don't even offer)
and for weight, for the size of this car, its not even that heavy. A M4 these days weights like 3800 pounds already, and thats a smaller car than this with only 2 doors. This is almost the size of a 5 series
You mean 3 and 4 series both look that bad? Which ones competes with this?
I’m happy to see this thing still has analog gauges:)
I saw them in person on the A Spec and they look fantastic
Yep. Hate the digital numbers.
Gotta say, that font end looks amazing! Just superb.
The entire car is sculpted to perfection. Very handsome car
Other than the big plastic radar thing in the middle of the grille, agreed.
i feel like acura should make the auto upshift default with the option to disable it, they get their way and enthusiasts like matt that know how to and want to manage the gears can do so
Sadly, even on the previous TLX this was an issue, even in Sport+.
That's crazy I can't believe they let that slide and seem to back their decision. Such a simple thing to fix a problem that everyone complains about an otherwise well designed car
Yep, but still it shouldn't be shifting up in manual
Its oversight that almost no journalist is noting. Matt seems to be the only one that has noticed it to make it a point in his review. Acura, why even have paddles on the wheel or a manual mode in general if it’ll just do the shifting regardless of drive mode?
@@zatharos6427 sometimes the auto mode gets confused and shifts when you don't want it to. Also, the paddles allow you to downshift for engine braking. Manual mode will not downshift for you until you're about to stall the engine. Conversely, it upshifts automatically at the red line to prevent you from overrevving the engine.
That overdriven rotation around turns 1 and 2 looks super fun
1:29 cant deny the rear door handle position vs the front's is making me really uncomfortable
Damn you for pointing that out.
AHH IT CAN’T BE UNSEEN
Oh.. oh no..
What have you done! I didnt notice it..
I see what they were doing tho, they were trying to follow that line across the side of the car, but yeah I have to agree it looks really, really odd lol
When I worked at Acura and heard rumors of this we all agreed it would hit the nail if it had 400+ factory hp 430 ish but here we are down in power and heavier. Still a great looking car
Agree 100%
Who cares , with a forced induction engine a tune will be out quick that will it in those numbers. But yes would have been nice from the factory.
That was exactly what I said when I found out it had 350, not being 400+ may be the death of an otherwise great car
Yeah I have this same color & I totally agree with you, they could've put 400hp in here or more especially with the weight but I'm still happy with the car & I'm sure there are tunes on the way that could change the hp but I don't wanna void my warranty. I might do the Jb4 tune which is a simple plug n play.
I’ve been eagerly waiting for this episode.
Truth so excited
Yeah that watch band is legit
The automatic up shift doesn’t make sense in a manual mode. In a sport mode I could see it but I’m with you Matt, if you call it manual it better be my decision.
Yeah, Honda should just get rid of the redline altogether and let this 4 door passenger car spin up to 21k rpm where it really starts to come alive. Who cares about warranties, reliability, making money, and shareholders. This car was made to live on the track.
@@amante762 There's still a rev limiter....it should cut power when you hit redline instead of automatically upshifting. The 07/08 Type-S autos don't automatically upshift and there weren't any warranty or reliability problems regarding redlining. What are you on about?
@@amante762 The auto upshift means it will automatically shift into the next gear even if you don't click a paddle. That's frustrating if you just need to hold a gear especially in autocross
@@amante762 Don't act like a fool. There will still be a rev limiter.
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Really well done Matt!
Matt Farah is a trust fund guy, he doesn't need to work.
I had an 2021 TLX A-spec loaner for 2 weeks. It was a pretty nice car but I wasn't impressed, felt massive and cheap AF for its near 50k price tag, i can't see the type s being exponentially better. IMO, a G70 with its 3.3 twin turbo V6 is a better buy. Even the BMW M340i is a better purchase....the reliability of the M340i from friends who own it has been solid, along with far superior performance, fit and finish and fuel economy
Well said. I'd go with a G70 as well, the 3.3 AWD starts at like 45k U.S or so, (53k CAD). Starting at 34k U.S the g70 can be had with a manual trans, but unfortunately only rwd and 4 cyl 260 HP available. Still not bad, basic bolt ons with a tune and you could make 3.3 TT range HP 😁
@@Boosted00 they unfortunately phased out the manual, but even then, the 3.3 twin turbo V6 G70 is an excellent purchase of high build quailty
Yeah I can’t believe this thing is a thousand pounds heavier than the accord.
im so glad acura is doing good things again! Bring back the king
As a 4th gen TL SH-AWD 6SPD owner, I am actually very excited to see Honda/Acura still doing the best transverse AWD system in the game! Thats one reason I absolutely adore my TL, especially coming from Audis Quattro system. Quality interior, good V6 noises, and the ability to mob at a suprising pace with full comfort is what Acura does best! Bravo Matt and Zach, and bravo Acura!
I love the review you did, I'm just disappointed that too many reviews of various vehicles by most reviewers seem to forget these are every day street vehicles purchased by various people of various age and are not aspiring racecar drivers. Most people are looking for how a vehicle make them feel comfortable, confident and is reliable, and fit its purpose.
When a car is marketed as a performance vehicle, it makes sense to talk about how it performs in situations where that marketing would be applicable such as on a track. If this was a base trim TLX or some other comparable base trim vehicle, then yes, all of the performance concerns like automatic upshifts on redline or the brake-by-wire don't matter. But this is a performance vehicle and seeing how it performs on a track does provide valuable information. If people are just looking for all of the things you mentioned in the last sentence, then they shouldn't be looking at this vehicle.
@@HamburglarBunz I like what you are saying, but this is not a track car. It's an exercise in controlled environments to push limits of drivers and car...but not a track car. Honda/Acura do sell factory track cars like a NSX GT3 and others.
4:30 - "gold color is pretty fabulous" I LOVE GOOOLLLLLDDDD...!!! (Dutch Goldmember voice)
Insane to see how well a FWD car is handling that t1-t2
It’s AWD
@@Troy-fv9uq Not quite.
Hmmm - If my SHO died tomorrow, I thought the Stinger would be the replacement, but this has piqued my interest.
I’d still go with the stinger, still a bit quicker than the type S and IMO a better interior.
the Stinger's design is starting to look stale, and I'm not a fan of fake vents. The Type S looks fresher IMO.
The SHO must always go on
honda is just peaking your interest now?!
@@ctcdarkness I prefer tlx interior to the stinger especially since the ac vents are not a direct ripooff of amg cars.
His only complaint was it upshifts when he does not want it to, meaning it really should come in a manual~
It's an easy software change
@@papa_pt yeah when hondata and k tuner get their hands on this.. that will go away..I see this car getting well into 500hp and torque after all the usual upgrades and tuning.. and that's excluding changing the turbo
@@aoescool wow. that's amazing. maybe I'll pick one up in 7 years 😅
@@lkae4 🤣🤣👏🏽👏🏽
aaaaand nobody would buy it. Few manufacturers tried to be loyal to manual transmissions and eventually had to throw in the towel because cars were not selling.
Did I hear forged rods and crank? Oh yes.
They should make a 3000lbs~ new generation Prelude with the Sh-Awd + 2.0T in the new accord. Honda’s really missing the mark with 4200lbs. That’s as much as an F150.
New gen prelude would be sick.
4200 is my Dodge Charger. she's a chunky baby with a fun v8 though. that f150 comparison, while technically true, is bleh. Thats like a 2wd regular cab without options. The lightest of the lightest F150s. But yea. A new wredlue would be sick. I wouldn't bank on 3000 lbs though. Civic Type R is 3k pounds. In 2001 the Prelude weighed 3k pounds.
No they need a new RSX Type-S easily. Weighed like 2750lbs back in the day, would probably weigh closer to 3000lbs with new tech and shit. 2.0T from Accord/Type-R easily, 6 speed manual from the Type-R, and yeah maybe sh-awd. I've been saying they need it for a while, they would really capture a huge portion of the enthusiast market back if they remade the RSX Type-S. idk why they haven't, it seems like such an easy choice
@@dkis8730 i feel as though the cars we’re saying are similar, but the Prelude name resonates with a lot more buyers than the rsx. 2nd and 3rd gen prelude combine for over 500,000 units sold. With the other 3 gens topping the mark over 700,000. The Rsx barely scraped by the 100K mark. While the car setup we’re talking about is essentially the same, the Prelude nameplate would probably sell more cars off the line. I do understand why you’d want to call it the Rsx though.
Man Matt, to bad you can’t have a track for all your one takes. The flybys’ were awesome in this video!
I just bought one of these to replace my 2.0T Honda Accord. This is my daily driver to and from work and I’m very happy with it so far. I have another fun sports car so this gives me something sporty to drive on a daily basis. If it were my only car, this is likely not what I would have but definitely a big performance step up from my Accord and a very capable sports sedan. It's not the fastest car but the handling and the ride comfort are amazing! Oh and the stereo in this car is 🔥
I love this track
same
Acura already makes real good AWD system. Imagine if they went back with the longitudinal engine layout like the old Legend, it would be great. They wouldn't have to fake the long axel to dash ratio.
One of the reasons I am waiting for Acura BEVs. Not the ones to be built by GM though haha.
@@flashsushi1843 stop shitting on gm
This way the engine is far easier to work on though. I just watched another video showing how BMW's longitudinal engines partially stick under the windshield...what a pain!! I'm very happy with what Honda/Acura did here.
The hood will love this car. I know I will
You know what people really want from Honda/Acura? It starts with a “S” and ends with “thousand”...
maybe make it a 3 instead of a 2 as well. buwhahahhaha.
That would be under the “Honda” nameplate but yeah I agree, they need a new S2000 to compete with the Supra and 400z
That and they should bring back the Integra. Maybe have a GSR model that has a similar engine to the civic si and of course a type-r model. Manual and auto transmission options. Starting price around $27-30k Maybe? I'd definitely buy one.
The party piece of performance Acuras is their SH-AWD, it really is the best on the market
So it needs some aftermarket love to fix that shifting issue. 👀
That colour is absolutely UNREAL!!! especially with that white interior
Dual A-arms up front and multi-link in the back says a lot to me. They are starting with the best fundamentals.
Bet this is a 550whp car on the stock turbo on E once the ecu gets cracked.
550 hp you crazy man! You talking about a 200 hp increase, i dont know why people think is that sinple and easy to just add hpYou will need a turbo upgrade and thats going to cost you a handful plus labor!
@@dp6070 it's really that simple lol. B58tu in the supra is a 3.0l with a twin scroll and will make 550whp on e50 on the stock fuel system and turbo. Vr30 (which I own one) in thr q50/60 and future 400z will make over 500whp on e85 with the tiniest turbos I've ever seen. Hondas proven themselves with the v6 in the nsx. The turbo is also in a great spot for an easy turbo swap on this car being top mounted. So yes it is that easy.
@@wetwea33 is this engine as well engineered as the b58?
@@vtecnegro85 seeing how it has a forged crank and rods, plus Hondas track record with the turbo 6 in the current nsx there's a very good chance.
some nutter's going to fit this with TWINS.
This car honestly looks really damn good and I’m sure a little tune and some easy mods this thing will really make some nice numbers. I like it!
Yes the potential of this engine is amazing they use forged internals. A lot of the guys don't talk about it but this engine can easily make 800 with a bigger turbo I'm sure of it.
it's the next JDM classic. it's set to go hall of fame status along with 1st NSX, FK8 Civic Type-R, Nissan Z, the GTR, Integra, RX7 FD, Supra MK4, EVO, WRX, etc.
My brother in law is an automotive engineer who now works for Rolls. He says if Honda made bigger jet engines it would put Rolls and GE out of business.
Wait isn't Honda's engine built in partnership with GE??
@@randomperson1614 Q: Wait isn't Honda's engine built in partnership with GE?? A: yes. i followed the development before it even got type approval by the FAA. i do recall the engine was a JV with GE. i too had originally thought Honda was tackling the engine by their lonesome.
Ever since I saw this rumored a year ago, I knew it was gunna be my dad level dream car, like the 06 gto.
Glad Acura kept this awd, and not neutering theirselves like they usually do with their fwd platforms
Thank God at least someone was allowed to do a single run without the idiotic lead follow. That's the automotive version of babysitter.
Noticed he slow down at the last lap because he enjoys it too much. haha So excited, cant wait to test drive and getting one.
Trans upshift at redline is the same as the accord. One thing I’ve learned to do is keep it in manual mode, let the car upshift at redline, and I control the downshifts.
Dude, l o l.
Sounds like Acura wants people to give it MORE BOOST. Interested to see how far this motor can be pushed
15 psi? That seems low these days. Ecoboost 4s run to 24 😂
Acura engineers be like: "page up, page up!!"
@@jaspal666 that’s the point. Low boost right now, but with the way the built the motor, they know people are gonna throw big boost at it.
@@SixSpeedSeven That's exactly what I'm thinking.
It's not just about boost and PSI. 15 psi on one turbo is different than 15 psi on another. A bigger turbo at 15 psi is obviously going to make more power. So an Ecoboost at 24 psi could make less power than another car that runs say 18.
The engineers are fundementally wrong about automatic upshifts in manual mode. The double upshift proved it.
hopefully they are watching this and can make the change since this was a preproduction car.
The question of being fundamentally right or wrong about it depends on the design criteria given. Were they told to make it the best enthusiast car that they could? Or were they told to minimize warranty claims?
@@xtnuser5338 The "fundemental" disagreement is over the manual mode. Its not manual if they upshift for you.
@@pkvillager Ah...you're just talking about the fact that they CALLED it manual mode? I though you were talking about whether it was a good choice or not.
Can’t tell you how much I’ve been waiting for this! Hope you can get it out in the canyons soon.
I had one of the very few 2003 CL Type S with a 6 Speed manual. It was a very good car for its time, but the FWD architecture left it desiring more. My sister had the next Gen TL Type S, also manual. So I experienced a few of the Type-S at the height of that meaning something.
We never got the final TL with AWD though, so I don’t know about those but they seem well received.
Acura lost me though as they haven’t produced driver’s cars that are practical also. Like many, I turned to German cars and haven’t looked back.
I still enjoy looking around because I love cars. This is nice to see. It’s means competition for my S4... maybe. Let’s see how it tunes. If it can tune decently, it’s interesting (keeping stock turbos). If she remains a bit muted then I think the luster fades.
My s4 went 333->440 just from a software upgrade (and I have the Dragy times to back that claim up, frankly I think it’s making a bit more based on a 113.5mph trap speed for a 3900lbs car) and can touch 500 with basic mods (HX, pullies and test pipes). The Q50/60s and the M340i and the AMG c43 are all proving to be (roughly) equally tunable platforms.
If we see something similar on the TLX Type S, it could get some serious interest and attention. If she can’t make a decent chunk of power on stock kit or the transmission doesn’t hold up with more power than I think she’ll die off. I’m hoping the former is true, even if I never wind up looking at one it’s always good to have some serious direct competitors that make everybody up the ante.
Beating around the track under heavy braking and only the brake warning light comes on? That's not even a hiccup. Itd say thats doing what is supposed to do. Cannot wait for the road test and long term testing. I think the blue is gorgeous
Four door near luxury sedan, 350+ horsepower, transverse mounted twin turbo V6, front biased AWD system, over 4000 pounds........ sounds suspiciously like my 2011 SHO. 🤔
Very impressive that TLX, going flat out at Laguna Seca, multiple laps, and doesn't seem to be overheating, the brakes seem to be holding up too.. looks planted👍
I keep trying to get out of fwd cars but Honda and acura keep killing it
I’ll never understand why people would choose to drive AWD (and especially FWD) when RWD exists… like have y’all ever driven a RWD car? All the best cars in the world are RWD.
@@CarsOverPeople I have and most the RWD cars that interest me just dont come close to the reliability and affordability of a Honda or Acura so that's what I end up getting. Also I would argue that there are deffinately some FWD cars that are way more fun to drive than some RWD cars.
CarsOverPeople come to Michigan see how that rwd works out
@@tyhyhh rwd is fine with snow tires, especially if the car has an lsd. On sedans and sports cars ground clearance is more of a limiting factor in snow.
ervin rwd with snow tires does okay it’s still not as safe as a fed set up for 90% of drivers
The automatic upshift might be troublesome or annyoing to some... kinda reminds me of the 3rd gen TL 04-06s upshifting from 1st to 2nd automatically whenever you activated the Sequential shifting mode "manual mode." They later corrected in the refresher model 07-08 TL &TL-S allowing you to hold the gear also much better Auto gearbox. Hopefully they will reconsider in their refresher models or do a recall to have the ecu recognized a disable feature in sport and sport+ allow to hold gearing. However makes me wonder are there flaws currently we are not aware of in the Type-S trans. Sidebar: The transmission should have been DCT, but that's just my opinion 😉
Thanks for this, I'm excited to hear your thoughts when you get it on your familiar canyon roads.
Since the Civic Type R got a Limited Edition. It would be so cool of Acura to make a limited Type S Zero version . Your a real Honda G if you know what that means.
Give it some BBS RGR wheels please!
I think it was a lightened version of the NSX for Japan? I remember an old best motoring vid where one of those raced a Ferrari 355.
In Canada Acura had the CSX type s in 2011 which was a 4 door civic si with a few changes
Good point, but we all know it wasn't actually an acura vehicle. I am the owner of a 2007 csx type s, previous owner of a 2008 tl type s
Yeah...it was basically just a rebadged JDM version of the Civic Si with leather seats, not a "true" Acura.
I have a '12 Acura TL sh awd. It's a perfect daily. Does everything very well and by far the best awd system I've ever experienced. I was really excited for this type s, it looks fantastic but those power numbers are really disappointing. I was expecting atleast 400hp in this game.
I'm certain every Type-S fan was imagining 400+ from the new age TLX Type S variant. Of course Honda cheeses out on #'s and will rather leave it to the aftermarket to coax some more skeletons from its 3.0T closet space. Typical, they'd never want a TLX variant to oudo their Halo NSX which imo is a joke of what that car used to be.
Good thing the aftermarket will fix that issue. FBO and tune is definitely going to make it a beast. Hopefully they can fix the quirks with the 10 speed.
With forced induction there is always a big opportunity for tuning and adding power. BUT the more you push it the more than can potentially go wrong and you can wipe your ass with the warranty. The Acura would need a push just to get on the same page at its stock competition and that's pretty sad. Even if they come out with a twin turbo down the road or get bigger numbers for next year, the type s had a ton of hype and history behind it. Acura should have made a statement out of the gate.
Really clever stuff 7:47. Clearly visible in the footage.
I was very skeptical about this car when it was announced. I worked at an Acura dealer at the time and everything they make is boring slow soulless machinery. I went home every day wishing the same sort of passion that went into my Rsx was in the company. Very glad to hear that it’s still around.
Honda with Acura and Toyota with Lexus! I think we’re finally starting to see some real Japanese competition between the two brands. Because Nissan is a joke at this point with Infiniti.
That outdated Maxima will most likely still sell more than the entire sporty sedans from Honda and Lexus.
@@SaintMecha Nobody wants that ugly Maxima! Hahaha
True, the Q50/Q60 had potential though, too bad Nissan is discontinuing Skyline sedans and focusing on electric SUVs, which means no more future sport sedans for Infiniti.
Honda/Acura is about chassis, steering and the Shaaawd test the limit of the driver while having fun! Just a tune 75tq and 90 pound feet would be great.
I just got a 2020 TLX and I reeeaaally want the steering program from this car. Mine feels like a 90s arcade wheel, probably with less feedback. Car handles great, just doesn’t feel like it.
Odd that the 2021 Type S will auto-upshift, but my 2016 Accord Coupe V6 will bounce off redline as I quickly get up to, uh, the speed limit, of course
Really nice color
I feel your pain with the automatic up shifts as an ilx owner
Now im trying to see if this or a used GSF/RCF would be a better buy. The upshift in manual mode would really suck, but im sure Ktuner or hondata would fix that and with a tune this would be close to the F cars in power. Decisions Decisions
GSF/RCF will ultimately be better than the TLX Type S with a KTuner or Hondata. These flash tunes are not custom tunes. They are literally fixed gains. You aren't running datalogs and having a tuner change your ECU. KTuner and Hondata is like plug and plaay.
This is incredibly impressive. I hope we get to see a lot of these on the road
Seems like it’s a well done car for a fun everyday sports sedan. Hopefully Acura reconsiders the auto upshift with it being a preproduction car.
Greating looking car, but i wish theyd made this a lift back like the stinger
I agree. It has the shape for it and it would have been perfect in my book
@@marstotalchaos4735 Absolutely.
I'm curious as to how do they even defend auto-upshifts? What possible reason could they give?
Their thinking might be some idiot puts it in manual mode and is trying to merge or pass and completely forgets they need to shift
@@papa_pt But people that stupid don't ever take cars out of D. I assume most automatic buyers have never put their cars into manual. The decision to choose your own gears is pretty deliberate. I don't think I could buy a car that openly treats me like a moron and gives me paddles to play with, while not actually letting me decide anything.
@@Vge21x I agree it's ridiculous 😂
Me too
It's because in previous auto Type-s and reg TL/CL the trans was made of glass and could not handle the performance tuning, clutch pack 3 would be starved of oil. So Acura sets parameters for more longevity. They did this to my old 03 TL-S when the first trans was replaced, the car was never the same. Even after headers and other performance mods the trans would suck the life out of any WOT pull.
K tuner is drooling after hearing the 15 psi boost and 1400-5000 peak torque figure. I can see 450+ hp coming.
Never seen a man read a car manual while on the racetrack driving lol thats awesome
It's his notebook not a manual
Opens UA-cam hoping for first drives of the nee BRZ... gets videos about Acura TL Type S... 6/10.
I love Laguna Seca
I cannot wait to see what this engine does as you mentioned. I can see why it has 350ish HP. Above type r below nsx.
However if you look at HP to litre ALONE this engine should be 400+. The fact that it has forged internals? People are starting to push 600whp on stock type R blocks. Even if this ONLY gets 600 hp tuned AWD is massive.
And at a price that beats competition... Therefore attracting tuners... It's gonna be an exciting car.
Glad the J Series will live on through this thing. It’s a great package by the looks and sounds of it in this review! Really looking forward to some in depth comparisons between this and its competitors, especially the Germans in its class.
I’ve been trying to figure the engine code out in this car, I’m already preparing for when buy this car used for the timing belt (or not!) service.
@@twinturbocars So accurate about the timing belt 😂
From redline reviews he said the code was J30ac
Love the rear end, lot of alpha guilia going on and I like it
Much better looking than the Guilia Imo. I like that it looks different to all of its competitors
@@omairsh8 I'm gonna agree with you in this one man! Definitely a great looking car
my next car coming from an 15 audi a6 2.0t. can't wait!!!!!!!!
Damn you can see that thing gripping up in the double apex it hooks.
Why does it weigh the same as a midsize SUV? It’s priced like M340i which is more than a second faster to 60 but it performs like a four-cylinder 330i or A4. Super-Haldex AWD is an unnecessary complication to compensate for the minivan drivetrain and will do nothing until you get to corner exit. Cooked brakes after 3 laps and a bad gearbox in a “performance sedan”… what a poser-mobile.
How is this haldex awd? SH AWD is torque vectoring, no haldex system can achieve that.
@@ShaiyanHossain You don’t understand how SH-AWD works. The overdrive gears are on the rear diff. The front-rear power split is through a multiplate clutch at the front which is fundamentally the same as Haldex or your aunt’s CR-V. TLX probably runs like 90/10 front-rear and only shifts more to the rear on demand. The rear diff can only work with power sent from the front and you cannot get to the claimed 70% rear torque unless you have front wheelspin.
@@Ficon what haldex system can torque vector the rear wheels individually?
@@ShaiyanHossain SH-AWD is different from a Haldex at the rear axle only. In front and in terms of power distribution, it’s still FWD with on-demand rear. Like Haldex.
@@Ficon ok but you're missing the key differentiator that Haldex doesn't torque vector the rear wheels like SH-AWD does. Show me a haldex awd system that can do that before you keep saying SH-AWD and haldex are the same system. Evidently that torque vectoring is enough of a difference to impact the handling of the TLX, but im sure you've driven both kinds of systems hard enough on the track to assume they're the same, right?
Cylinder deactivation and vvti? Oh lord hopefully there won’t be a lot of mechanical issues.
You're worried about a VVTI system made by Honda/Acura? The brand who pioneered VVTI and marketed on it for so long... 🤨🤨
It's not some POS American car that tries to add a bunch of rushed electronic features bc their lazily designed big displacement pushrod engines weren't that viable after 75 years lmao.
@@dkis8730 cylinder deactivation will be a problem in the future especially with lots of highway miles
@@Dude-hk3qj Yeah, but that's nothing new at all, and I'm pretty sure almost every car being sold today with more than 4 cylinders will have it. Fortunately Honda/Acuras deactivation system don't seen to cause as many problems as the really infamous ones from Chevy and others
@@dkis8730 yea i know, there are ways to turn it off tho which is good
Could the transmission self upshifting be more for the warranty claim department at Acura than the competent performance driver? Great to see the Chassis/all wheel drive being so much more dynamic.
Initial tune-ability will depend on two things.
1) How close to the maximum is Honda operating the high pressure fuel pump and DI injectors. This might hinder E85 use and also put an upper limit on HP with gas.
2) And more importantly, are there enough sales of the car for Hondata or KTuner to warrant the manpower to develop the ECU software. Maybe HPD will contract with Hondata to make an HPD branded ECU tune. That would jumpstart the process.
You need a canyon review of this car.
14:25 that's what I was thinking the moment I heard it was coming turbo v6. A downpipe and a tune will put this car right in the 11s as a sexy reliable daily driver.
I can't wait to see what people do with this motor
Those are some massive exhausts!
A M340x drive is hard to pass. Special preowned 1-2 years. I loved my Cl type s back 2001. But chassis alone wont do it. With model 3 ext range around 50k. Its between 340 or model 3.
This is definitely a car I’m getting a model of. This thing is beautiful.
There's pretty much always some headroom on a Honda engine and but I don't know anything about the rest of the drivetrain.
Acura: 4200lbs
Competitors: under 4000lbs
BMW 5 series: 4000lbs…
How did they mess that up??
They don't care all that much, because neither does their target market. Those of us who want the lightest car possible, or the best power/weight ratio, or the fastest lap times, aren't shopping full sized family sedans. They're targeting the folks who think, "That BMW sport sedan is nice, but this is a little cheaper, drives almost just a good, and will probably last longer because it's from Japan."
@@xtnuser5338 The point I’m trying to make is, this car was made to compete with the likes of the S4, M340, C43 and even q50 3.0t and is probably still out performed by the older variants of all of the cars I’ve mentioned.
@@Carlife929 Yes, I understand the point you were making. And I was telling you why they probably made the design decisions that they did.
Why is the small pillar before the C so thick? Makes a completely unnecessary blind spot and is even situated next to or in front of the rear passenger's head. BMW's have similar and it's just a strip between the two glass panes to guide the window. I don't get it.
About that auto upshift in this car, ironically last Gen TLX A-Specs let you rev it out all the way to redline and hold in manual mode. In a non Type-S car. Oh the irony i hope this is fixed by the time the production cars are out
Did acura comment on the brake warning you received? Is it the system's way of letting you know that there's high brake temps and perhaps it's sensing a lot more pressure is required to stop the car so fluid started to boil?
It’s a poser car, what did you expect.
@@Ficon You even watch the video buddy? Lmao
@@Ficon I expect to learn more about the brake by wire system, which technically is the same as in the NSX. Different OEMs have taken various approaches to leveraging technology to inform drivers of hot brakes. I don't mind the conventional soft/long-pedal [natural] method but if we're going to try something new, it's good to learn about it.
@@nateblazek3671 Yeah. He cooked the brakes after 3 laps. It’s a “performance sedan” with minivan drivetrain and weight and it can’t perform.
@@nodrogkam Brake by wire can’t simulate long pedal travel so it has to give you a warning light when you overheat the brakes in 10 minutes of hard driving in your front-wheel-drive “performance sedan”.
That side profile is vaguely Charger-ish, or is that just me? Looks like a really great car, it must be when Matt reviews it.
I keep seeing that white circular gauge in the center console and thinking its a shift knob ball 😤
Beautiful sedan