One thing to remember about the MacKinnon footage that people seem to forget is that Landy is sitting right next to him, talking to him, and actually acts like a captain on the bench when people on there blow up on each other.
Keefe’s legacy in Toronto: - Losing to a 42 year old Zamboni driver who works for them - Getting embarrassed in a play-in bubble playoffs. - Twice losing to a COVID ravaged Canucks team. - Blowing a 5-1 lead to the last place Senators - Dropping Freddie for Jack Campbell in 2021 but sticking with Samsonov in 2024. - Blowing a 3-1 series lead to Montreal because Galchenyuk was your best hope. - game 7 2022 and game 5 2023. - getting embarrassed by Marner anytime he tries to discipline him - all of the above was done AT HOME
- that game was impossible to win. if the leafs win, there's a huge uproar from the league for putting their employee in net in a game they were losing and end up winning the game - yeah, losing to columbus was embarrassing, but that was also his first ever time with "playoff" hockey in a covid ravaged season, so it's forgivable - that canucks team went on to beat every other team in the division after battling covid, so that's a pretty lame cop-out - they also came back 4-1 against tampa (in the playoffs), 4-1 against tampa in the regular season, 5-0 against columbus... etc. pointing out his "performance" one game of the year and dictating a coach's ability is ridiculous - they *needed* to drop freddy at that point. i loved freddy in toronto and would've loved to keep him, but at that time campbell was significantly out-playing freddy, and it was a good thing they did swap to him. as for samsonov in 2024, look at samsonov's record/save % from january 2024 to now. now look at jones', now look at woll's... tell me who you would put as your starter for game 1. if you say "not samsonov!" then you're just foolish. - yeah, that series was abysmal, and he was stuffed into a locker - both those games were really close, well played games by the team? they just came up short. what's the point you're trying to make here? man i'm so sick of these comments, i don't like keefe either but the fact that you guys have to move goalposts so much to make a point makes me not want to support your cause.
@@derps8690 Not even bothering to read after your first comment. So it was better to lose to zamboni driver goalie then have some possible problems from nhl? Were they supposed to deliver better goalie for opposite team? They were not and what uproar is that? Has this happened before and there was a huge uproar? I don't care much about leafs so I am non biased. I dont blame the players. Some bad contracts but it's no Tavares etc fault!
@@ellaella5537 Adam is the worst of Toronto Media. Confidently wrong constantly. Knows nothing about the actual sport. Just likes hearing himself talk.
Migraines would absolutely keep you out. You wouldn't want someone suffering from a migraine out there they wouldnt be efficient. If its bad enough you develop blurry vision and "auras" plus neaseau and unbeliveable pain that is non ignorable
Dude is talking out of his ass, he doesn't know anything about migraines. Same goes for a lot of hockey pundits that are giving Nylander flack for not "sucking it up", as if its just a foggy head you can shake with Tylenol. Dude didn't miss a game in years, you think he just didn't feel like playing game 1-3? ffs....
Yeah shame on the media for downplaying the migraine story. I wouldn't wish a migraine on my worst enemy. Functioning in a playoff hockey game sounds impossible, give a rest ppl
@@MussellRartin I don't think there was definitive proof to report the migraines, so the media played it right. It was just gossip via Elliot Friedman. He's usually right, but I'm not aware of it being an official statement from the Leafs. Only the Toronto Sun would report speculation as fact lol.
@@yesyesnononoyou migraine people get me up tight I get migraines almost daily …yes migraines the kind yo7 can’t see straight….I can’t live my life in a dark room …I am a parent …I work….so..I take handfuls of Advil usually I start with 4-5 Advil wait an hour if no change I pop 2 more…been doing it for more than a decade….I go through at least 50 Advil a week minimum…and as crazy as it sounds it works I can allways get rid of it eventually…..my wife on the other hand complains she has a bad headache and I ask her did you take any Advil?….lol she responds no…. I don’t get it some people would rather have one and complain about it than do what ever it takes to get rid of it
Agree 100%, but they didn't say they have any issue with it if it is in fact migraines, they acknowledged migraines can keep you out. They just don't believe that migraines are the real reason. I don't have an opinion on that just clarifying
I watched a video by Next Man Up here where the clip of Nylander is lip read as "stop F---ing crying bro, this is the issue guys F---ing pissed about sh!t" (starts at about the 30 second mark and goes to about the 1:10 mark in the next man up video, I HIGHLY suggest y'all give it a watch) and he points out that Matthews is looking more at Nylander than Marner.
Which makes sense. Nylander has always had heart. He may not be the best player on the team, but he's definitely the best player on the team with heart. Matthews a close second.
@@TheEDFLegacy Matthews is not a close second lol. I think Nylander is talking to Matthews when he says to shoot the puck. Matthews is the core of the problem with this team, and they can't be successful with him being the "leader" of this team.
@@TheEDFLegacy Mathews is not even close to being the second best player on the team. The best players have heart, grit, and determination, none of which Mathews has. Mathews only cares about his paycheck and his records.
Two days ago, I told Adam that Marner was going to be traded. He said it's not happening and that Marner will be a Leaf for years to come. Is Adam EVER right?
He’s an absolute idiot. Basic understanding of the game is a stretch. This is the three amigos who make leaf content. But man, they are so basic. They miss so much of it all.
The biggest flaw with the Toronto media is when they call anyone talented on the Leafs. Look at the results on the ice during the playoffs. That's when talent shines. Toronto talent only shows up in the regular season. 57 years and counting.
“Talent” is something you say about your toddler being on the ice the first time around. After that it’s working on developing skills, team play, stamina, hockey psychology etc. and good players excel as they keep improving those complete skill sets as a person and above all being adaptable team players who work their asses off and know that nothing is handed to them but they have to be accountable themselves. Look at the Leafs and tell me this is a team of complete, competent, accountable, full effort team-players…
if it shows up in regular season and not in the playoffs, it’s a culture issue. clearly they are talented and gifted… they have a culture issue and they’ve always needed a goalie. it’s as simple as that and it’s been the same for years? can you think of a series where the leafs have had a better goalie than the opponent? can you think of a series where the leafs have competed and worked for a full series? its culture and goaltending.
What if Matthews says "If you trade Marner, you have to trade me as well"? I think Matthews is the real cancer in the lockerroom. He is so talented and was born with a 6th gear...the problem is...he rarely uses it. Matthews is so talented that he never had to work hard, bust his balls or go to great lengths to win. He never learned how to work hard. This is catching on in the locker room and maybe he doesn't have to work hard, but for other players that are not even half as good as him - these types of players are following him - because those guys NEED TO HAUL ASS just to survive. The leadership is not there. Keefe hasn't lost the room...he's scared to say anything bad against the players. the coach is SCARED of his own players...to the point where he won't even say anything in pressers.
He kinda reminds me of Jagr. Ultra talented but doesn’t play with that extra ooomph because he is ultra talented. You watch and think “if he just had a slight mean streak or a desire to be more than just an elite goal scorer, he could do it.” But I think he’s content with just scoring goals. It’s reminiscent of NBA players like Durant or Harden who are happy with scoring 32ppg but are a huge liability defensively. They just don’t care and will proudly say “they pay me to score”. That’s what separates guys like Jordan and Kobe, they want to be great at EVERYTHING. Take pride in their defense as much as offense.
You don’t score 69 goals in a season against the best players in the world by not “working hard”. Keefe isn’t scared of the players, he knows he’s not coming back next year. He’s not throwing anyone under the bus because he knows he’s be looking for a new job next year. That’s what good coach does, he’s going down with his ship and he’ll take the blame. As he should and anyone else who thought this coaching setup was going to be successful.
I'm not sure, Nylander even said that to Marner to be honest, I think he said it to Matthews. Because if you look at Matthews when he was bitching, he wasn't looking at Marner, He was looking at Nylander.
"How old are you? You think its migraines?" Insults anyone who believes it by calling them children. So satisfying to see the other 2 guys call him oit at at 9 min he says migranes himself 😂
One time while playing hockey in high school I told the ref I was an assistant captain and he said “Assistant?! Do you bring the captain his drinks no your an alternate captain” and ever since than I’ve said Alternate which makes sense I’m not an assistant to the captain I’m a Alternate that makes way more sense
You actually thought they were a cup contender this year? Finished 10th in league….a fully healthy leafs team loses to boston in 7 at best. And that’s as you say an avg Boston team and that’s round one. Outside the Toronto bubble that’s what the world thinks of them. A round one team. Have fun.
Leafs are not fully healthy. Matts is playing through something, nylander was out the first 3, marner high ankle sprain not fully healed. Bobby mcmann is out. Not to mention stuff we're not told. I'm not making excuses, just saying they are not fully healthy.
Im from Boston, blaming one player is lame, you know what kind of hockey player he is, he's a finesse player, not a 6'2" bruiser, should he be scoring, yes, the whole teams to blame, same with Sammy, scapegoat, arguing on the bench is cancer to a team, the media pressure in Toronto is insane.
I disagree. I've always thought Marner to be self-centered and childish. You can tell by how he acts on and off the ice, but what did it for me was during the contract negotiations. He has his own best interests at heart, not the interest of the team. He wants the money, not the cup.
I blame the coaching over the 'mix' of players. The issue with trading Marner at this deadline is that the return is going to be extremely low. Every other team knows the Leafs want to move off of him and his no trade and contract complicates everything. Anyone thinking they'll get a player like Keller out of a trade is just setting themselves up for disappointment. I can also see him pulling a Sundin and saying 'nope not moving, I believe in this core,' and he maybe right if they bring in a better coach. The 'we're just going to sit you in the press box' thing just sends a message to any other player looking to sign long term with this team that they don't respect the players and unlike Vegas, can't deliver a winner, so why should they sign here?
I liked the conversation at the end about Zach Hyman. He was a solid player in Toronto who has taken it up another level in Edmonton. I think they should note that he plays with Connor McDavid, which definitely helps. XD
It is the perfect storm of 4 characters that if they each played individually on teams they would be absorbed by the larger culture The COLLECTION OF THE 4 is playoff toxic
The fire is good compared to being apathetic, but yelling at eachother is never constructive. The Av's Jared Bednar preaches constantly about keeping cool and sticking to your game regardless of the score, and they get insane comeback wins regularly - that team seems absolutely tilt proof, and plays some of their best hockey while behind
Nobody thought Hyman would score 25...? He was a 25 goal scorer, prorated, in his last two seasons (almost his last three) with the Leafs...21 in 71, 21 in 51, then 15 in 43.
They didn't want to pay him 5.25m because they didn't think he was worth it. I'm glad he is continuing to play well. I used to be mad when former Leafs would find success elsewhere. But now it's just a part of it
I think Montreal would be a good fit. We have lots of d to move this offseason and I think getting a 2 way d man would help Toronto with a lot of their issues. I think leaf’s would have to retain a bit of the contract no matter where he goes tho
I agree. It was a huge mistake to keep the core intact, and that falls squarely on Shanahan, because Dubas was about to do exactly that, then got sacked because Shanahan couldn't deal with the fact that Dubas wanted some time with this family to figure out his future on a contract year.
Some times, great players don’t work … you can’t have multiple leaders … you need one true alpha maybe 2… the rest of them Are to be soldiers who follow the alpha into war (playoffs)
"Some players get you to the playoffs. Other players get you through the playoffs" ... Marner is the kind of player who gets you TO the playoffs but not through them.
Hey guys, excellent channel and great show as always. I think we are going to find that many of the core 4 (and other Leafs) are dealing with major injuries or illnesses. There was one clip I saw where Keefe said that Matthews was dealing with an illness, and a "weird" one. What the f is that? Also, in the post game if you listen to William nylander, you can hear that he's congested and his voice is all messed up. I'm sure he is dealing with something nasty. Also, my wife has had migraines since college, and they are not trivial. She spent many days in bed, in a dark room with ice compressors on her forehead. It's a horrible disease, because as she puts it, "Sometimes I am in so much pain that I can't even see straight, but because it doesn't show on the outside, nobody knows." Anyhoo, I think we are going to find out that the Leafs are very very banged up right now. But, they can't say a word about it, because they would get roasted...by us. Keep up the great work guys!
Huge mistake by them letting dubas go when he wanted to trade Mitch. He knew what it was and was trying to fix the team and shanahan only was worried about protecting his job.
Here’s the thing about Marner. As a flames fan, I look at him and I see a player like Johnny Gaudreau. He’s a better than average hockey player, maybe even a great hockey player. But he has no drive and no passion that I can see. He has no willingness to sacrifice himself for the play or the team. If he had the puck and someone comes within 5 feet of him he’s panicking and either passing or dumping when he could push and make a play happen. You watch Matthews play. Hes not afraid to get bumped around if it means making a play. He’s not afraid to go down and block a shot. Sure he’s a little bigger guy than Marner. Than go look at Brad Marshand and the impact he’s having out there, and remember that Marshand is one inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter than Marner. McDavid is nearly the same size as him and watch McDavid play. End of the day, unless he gains that passion and that drive to fight through to make a play, he will never be successful in the playoffs.
Guys talking about Nylander like he should have played through migraines so severe they're testing him for concussions and other things have obviously never had even a moderate migraine. When you vision is white and light is translated into searing pain it's tough to even standup let alone get ready to leave the house.
So Matthews is the real captain? Is that better? Starting from next year, #34 will be 2nd highest paid player by cap hit. He is not even in my top 5 forward if I want to build a contender.
It’s the opposite affect to Kadri no? Like both great talents both wanted to be leafs and nothing else. Kadri played a foot over the line and Mitch doesn’t wanna get to the line, you could get so much in return for a guy like him. Bolster your lineup and make them a prick to play, somethings gotta give!
I'm a sens fan so I'm nearly as invested in this as the average leafs fan, but I think it's pretty obvious that Mitch hasn't fully recovered from the high ankle sprain. His edge work and skating overall has been really poor this series and that is something that can take a long time to come back after an injury. If you're going to let Matthews, Nylander and Tavares have excuses for why they haven't been good you have to give it to Mitch as well. He was Toronto's leading scorer in the playoffs last year and he is the guy they turn to in every situation. I agree he hasn't been good enough this series, but the other members of the core four deserve just as much criticism. Marner hasn't been any less effective than the rest of them.
Matthews gets ragged dolled in the past and the Leaf bench looks on uninterested. News reporter gold. Why do you think for most years the rest of the Leafs arent interested in if Matthews gets roughed up? Where there is smoke, there is going to be fire. Leafs are core 4 plus others, not a team.
Q: “Is Mitch Marner playing his last games in Toronto?” A: No. Mitch has a no-trade clause, and he will happily enforce it. If you think he will say, “Yes, Mr. Treliving, please trade me away from this offensive juggernaut of a team on which I get to set up one of the best goal scorers of all time,” right as he is entering his contract year, you are SORELY mistaken.
Wait, you think that Marner is successful because of Matthews? Did Marner not set up Tavares for 47 goals a few seasons ago? Marner will be successful wherever he goes.
@@Marixa1979 If you’re trying to argue that Mitch Marner is incredible because prime John Tavares (a former 1st overall pick) at age 28 scored 47 goals next to him, be my guest! Not exactly going to persuade anyone with that one though!
@@johngreystone His assured decision not to go is not really at issue, though; his play in the playoffs is what causes vitriol. If he scores 8 points over the next 3 games and carries the Leafs through to the next round and beyond (as a player paid his salary should be expected to do), he can alleviate all issues. Problem is, year after year, he’s shown he can’t do it in the postseason. The organization still has to abide by the contract that it signed, regardless. If the fans want to be mad at anybody, blame past and current management for enabling four relatively unproven young men to effectively dictate the ultimate competitiveness of the team.
I'm pretty sure it's your coach. Not Marner. Yes Zach Hyman could have scored 50 goals next to Matthews, and Marner, he might have done that with a good coach who puts him with good players. I don't care who you are you don't just suddenly score 50 as a "grit grinder" because you play with McDavid now. We have tried so many different wingers next to McDavid, and Hyman is elite. Bertuzzi should have had his best season ever, dude has played with the red wings his whole career, if he goes to Edmonton and puts up 30 goals next to Draisaitl what will your excuse be then?
You're making a lot out of a little. They are underperforming but the answer isn't to be found by the behaviour on the bench. It's happening on the ice.
Not a leafs fan but with a marner trade leafs could get some young dmens ( 1 or 2) and a few picks wich is something they dreadfully need. I still think woll is the future for leafs goal tending.
Dude I know right, it's crazy, people who have never experienced a migraine literally think it's similar to a headache. That's like comparing a sprained ankle to a broken bone in your leg. With a true migraine you cannot physically play hockey no matter who "hard nosed and tough" you are. Shea Weber is missing Stanley Cup finals games if he gets a severe migraine. You cannot walk straight let alone skate and play a sport ...
No chance. At this point, Tavares and Marner are both out of contract after next season. Tavares obviously does not get resigned for anywhere close to what he's making now, if at all. That clears up enough cap space to resign Marner and then work on other assets, preferably something to shore up the Goal and Defense.
Matthews has been held out of the score sheet in 5 of his last 6 games if you include game 81 and 82. That guy is "supposed" to be the leafs franchise player. That is inacceptable espescially when he is one of the most paid forwards in the NHL. Marner hasn’t been fantastic too, but before blaming him leafs fans must stop defending Matthews and looking anywhere else while the main problem of this team is in front of their eyes.
Here's the thing, Matthews, Marner, and Nylander are all right now dealing with legitimate issues to explain why they're performing lackluster in these playoffs. Matthews has a mystery illness that's likely to keep him out for Game 5, Nylander had debilitating migraines (which I disagree with Adam, I do think it's legitimate, the man had to get tinted visors because of them), and Mitch is coming back from a high ankle sprain which is very difficult to come back from. For any other franchise, their three best players dealing with these issues in a playoff series would be a good enough excuse. However, this isn't any other franchise. This is the Matthews era Toronto Maple Leafs. Their most well known trait is choking in big moments. They were plenty healthy in 2020, less so in 2021 with Tavares out but that's still no excuse for M&M disappearing that series, they were healthy in 2022, and in 2023 they were healthy going into the second round against Florida and they got rinsed. This team has done nothing but lose and fail to come up big in playoff series, so even if they're all hurting right now no one cares because even when they've been healthy the result was still the same.
you forgot to mention this team never had a legit Captain, Tavares is weak, too quiet..remember why O`Reilly didn`t want to stay in Toronto? I don`t think it was money issue but what he experienced with the team, no leadership, ZERO!
I would get rid of Willy before Marner. Kadri, JVR, Tavares and Matthews all had their best years as Leaf playing with Marner. Who has Willy ever made better? Marner is also way better defensively and despite the Myth of Willy. Marner has better playoff numbers.
Keefe may be right that the effort level is okay... these guys just ain't good enough. Paying 2 forward 11 million a season and neither has reached 100 points once. And they decided to add a 3rd for next season...
Migraines kept the NFL's best running back and best player on the team (Terrell Davis) out of an entire quarter of a Super Bowl that was incredibly close. Even if it was 'just a migraine' for Nylander those are the real deal....
Leafs fans always need a punching bag when the Shanaplan fails. Usually its a D man, this year its Marner. Few years ago it was Freddy, Kadre, list goes on and on...
2 questions. 1. If they fire Keefe, who replaces him? 2. Marner will require a new team to pick up his contract. How much does of his contract does toronto have pick up to move him?
It will have to be an experienced coach that replaced Keefe. No more first time NHL coaches. Rod Brind'amour doesn't have a contract with Carolina next year. Maybe Quenneville. But it's gotta be someone that holds guys accountable and is not afraid to hurt their feelings. And the Leafs will have to retain AT LEAST 50% salary if they are able to trade Marner.
Migraines can 100% keep you out. I suffer from Vistibular migraines...and when they hit I can barely walk for a few hours. If Nylander is suffering from them I fully get it.
I've had migraines that keep me bed ridden for multiple days. It's more short term debilitating than broken bones I've had...there is no playing through a bad migraine no matter how tough you are.
Babcock and Lou put the team first and no way were either going to give into the demands of the up and coming Leaf starts. Matthews and Marner wanted to run the team. Leafs did better with less in 2017-18 but rolling 3 lines with fairly close ice times. Matthews demanded more ice time. So Babcock and and Lou had to go. Leafs hired Keefe to cater to the whims of the core 4 and to be the fall guy.
Why is everyone hating on marner? He’s the only one who created offense in game 3 and game 4. WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM? THE COACH ? What about Tavares ? Guys now a 3rd line center at best, complete waste of 11 million. What about the atrocious D core ?
People saying that such and such is out thats sick and what not need to shut up. It's not a one-man show. Look at the Canucks, demko and desmith are out and they are still winning games without a guy thats been such a great player for them the entire year.
The reason why will sat wasn't headaches. They are playing Boston if they gave the real injury and then he comes back and they see opportunity to aggravate that injury, Boston will take it.
To me it's funny Mitch is the scapegoat here what has Matthews done in any playoff series to make him a captain lol they are very talented players but not a team the core all said pay me before doing anything and they got the money.what veteran they traded for at trade deadline has stuck around if they thought they had a chance to win they would stay there's a problem in the dressing room and it's Matthews and marner attitude send them both packing
Toronto needs more toughness to win in the playoffs. Proposed trade: Toronto gets Rasmus Ristolinen Philadelphia gets mitch marner 50% reduced cap hit. (His name is all lower case due to how bad he sucks in the playoffs.)
@@wnsbug 3:23 "it's assistant captain... Or alternate captain, depends on who you ask" I think Steve said it clear there. Maybe stops being a dick for a moment and listen?
@@moharikram1687whoa, chill, why the hostility? I didn't hear every single word while focusing on the diarrhea being released from my body, and besides, Adam drowned out the second part. You stop being a dick! It's offensive because mine is really small... 😢
@@moharikram1687 when you see how much tribalism can be thrust into even hockey lingo you start to become very pessimistic about humans in general lmao
I would personally keep Marner and trade Mathews, the regular season is not a problem for them, it's the playoffs that are, and as of typing this both of them have played 54 games and one has 49 points and one has 47, they both suck at bringing the heat when it matters, Mitch will work better and make someone better, I don't know Mathews would other than taking some heat off them. Plus you would get more in any trade for him.
I've never been this checked out of a Leafs series. Even when they were down against Florida last year, I found a way to enjoy the games. But midway through game 4, they just lost me. Even if they win game 5 tonight... I'm not being sucked back in. I've seen enough. I'll watch out of misguided obligation. But mentally, I'm out til October.
People talking about migraines as if they are just a headache are hilarious. That's genuinely like comparing a paper cut to a stab wound. They not similar even slightly. I could easily play hockey, maybe abit uncomfortably, with a headache. Simply getting out of bed, walking down a hall and peeing with a migraine, is absolutely excruciating and 50x worse than a full hockey game with a headache. You cannot effectively play hockey with s genuine migraine friends.
This is an embarrassing take after the fact. Sheldon Keefe spoke to Matthews, because that was supposed to be a set play that Willy completely screwed up. It’s interesting when you put context to the situation. Nylander screwed this up and he deserves to be held accountable for his actions.
I don't wanna hear about Marchand breaking his stick and not getting penalty. I've heard about that missed call, and the Tavares call on McAvoy was weak. You guys want to mention the high sick on McAvoy that was missed? I don't want to hear 1 word about the refs. They are problem 93 on a list of 99 things wrong w Toronto. Why do you want a power play anyway, its a momentum killer when you run at a 7% success rate.
Should he be traded for this playoff performance? Absolutely not....the guy's obviously not a 100% and fighting a high ankle sprain. Should he be traded because his cap hit is too high for what he brings to the team? Absolutely yes.
Marner is a video game player... plays amazing... then first sign of adversity... "stop game! reset! let's start over!" EDIT: watching rest of video... trade scenario Marner will have to be traded to Bruins and play with Pasta.... traded for maybe coyle at best..
Lets not pretend like it isnt the leafs lack of defence thats the problem. Rielly wouldnt be a #1 on ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. He cannot defend. He only gets points when the core 4 score. Leafs need to move out JT or Mitch, or both and bring in top quality defenders, as well as a proper starting goaltender. No team ever wins a cup without good defenders. We have maybe two guys who can play top six minutes. Rielly and McCabe, neither of which are top 2.
What!?? Are you kidding me? What are you smoking? Typical leafs fan , holy smokes. 😳 It’s actually pathetic at this point guys. Come on now? You’re so delusional.
yup, he's just another victim of the TO hockey media and fanbase. He'll never be a Wendel Clark like the fans want but he will find success elsewhere once he leaves the fishbowl. The hate for this guy is just insane rn considering the entire team is playing like shite
@@MussellRartin as a clear-eyed Marner fan, this whole debacle has been ridiculous. He has underperformed in this series, yes, but everybody else has. The issue is he's the scape goat due to his contract. There is a massive Leafs camp that wants to move him just based on that, and then there the ones who just hate him due to the perception that he's soft. These same people would call Gretzky soft so there you have it. Marner is a future HoF talent and perhaps even a generational playmaker. If Team Canada revealed their roster today, guess who's on the top line? None of this matter to Leafs fans. If it was up to me I would move everyone BUT Marner, including Mathews and Reilly...
Domi had more 5on5 primary assists and even just 5on5 assists in general I believe… Marner is too easy to neutralize, that will be the case on any team
One thing to remember about the MacKinnon footage that people seem to forget is that Landy is sitting right next to him, talking to him, and actually acts like a captain on the bench when people on there blow up on each other.
Keefe’s legacy in Toronto:
- Losing to a 42 year old Zamboni driver who works for them
- Getting embarrassed in a play-in bubble playoffs.
- Twice losing to a COVID ravaged Canucks team.
- Blowing a 5-1 lead to the last place Senators
- Dropping Freddie for Jack Campbell in 2021 but sticking with Samsonov in 2024.
- Blowing a 3-1 series lead to Montreal because Galchenyuk was your best hope.
- game 7 2022 and game 5 2023.
- getting embarrassed by Marner anytime he tries to discipline him
- all of the above was done AT HOME
Stop! _Stop!_ He's already dead...! 😢
Copying my comment from another video must be fun there eh.
That interview with Keefe. That was a face of someone knowing he is going to die. Ok he could still speak but he was done.
- that game was impossible to win. if the leafs win, there's a huge uproar from the league for putting their employee in net in a game they were losing and end up winning the game
- yeah, losing to columbus was embarrassing, but that was also his first ever time with "playoff" hockey in a covid ravaged season, so it's forgivable
- that canucks team went on to beat every other team in the division after battling covid, so that's a pretty lame cop-out
- they also came back 4-1 against tampa (in the playoffs), 4-1 against tampa in the regular season, 5-0 against columbus... etc. pointing out his "performance" one game of the year and dictating a coach's ability is ridiculous
- they *needed* to drop freddy at that point. i loved freddy in toronto and would've loved to keep him, but at that time campbell was significantly out-playing freddy, and it was a good thing they did swap to him. as for samsonov in 2024, look at samsonov's record/save % from january 2024 to now. now look at jones', now look at woll's... tell me who you would put as your starter for game 1. if you say "not samsonov!" then you're just foolish.
- yeah, that series was abysmal, and he was stuffed into a locker
- both those games were really close, well played games by the team? they just came up short. what's the point you're trying to make here?
man i'm so sick of these comments, i don't like keefe either but the fact that you guys have to move goalposts so much to make a point makes me not want to support your cause.
@@derps8690 Not even bothering to read after your first comment. So it was better to lose to zamboni driver goalie then have some possible problems from nhl? Were they supposed to deliver better goalie for opposite team? They were not and what uproar is that? Has this happened before and there was a huge uproar? I don't care much about leafs so I am non biased. I dont blame the players. Some bad contracts but it's no Tavares etc fault!
It's amazing to me that Adam is such an advocate for Matthews to be captain! I dont see how he has shown that he can lead that team to success
Adam was the biggest advocate for Dubas as well.
I don’t get it
@@ellaella5537 Adam is the worst of Toronto Media. Confidently wrong constantly. Knows nothing about the actual sport. Just likes hearing himself talk.
Migraines would absolutely keep you out. You wouldn't want someone suffering from a migraine out there they wouldnt be efficient. If its bad enough you develop blurry vision and "auras" plus neaseau and unbeliveable pain that is non ignorable
Dude is talking out of his ass, he doesn't know anything about migraines. Same goes for a lot of hockey pundits that are giving Nylander flack for not "sucking it up", as if its just a foggy head you can shake with Tylenol. Dude didn't miss a game in years, you think he just didn't feel like playing game 1-3? ffs....
Yeah shame on the media for downplaying the migraine story. I wouldn't wish a migraine on my worst enemy. Functioning in a playoff hockey game sounds impossible, give a rest ppl
@@MussellRartin I don't think there was definitive proof to report the migraines, so the media played it right. It was just gossip via Elliot Friedman. He's usually right, but I'm not aware of it being an official statement from the Leafs. Only the Toronto Sun would report speculation as fact lol.
@@yesyesnononoyou migraine people get me up tight I get migraines almost daily …yes migraines the kind yo7 can’t see straight….I can’t live my life in a dark room …I am a parent …I work….so..I take handfuls of Advil usually I start with 4-5 Advil wait an hour if no change I pop 2 more…been doing it for more than a decade….I go through at least 50 Advil a week minimum…and as crazy as it sounds it works I can allways get rid of it eventually…..my wife on the other hand complains she has a bad headache and I ask her did you take any Advil?….lol she responds no…. I don’t get it some people would rather have one and complain about it than do what ever it takes to get rid of it
Agree 100%, but they didn't say they have any issue with it if it is in fact migraines, they acknowledged migraines can keep you out. They just don't believe that migraines are the real reason. I don't have an opinion on that just clarifying
"Whats A stand for?"
"Effort"
lmao
The Leafs are bad because nobody teaches the Alphabet in Ontario.
Woosh.
It's a joke in regard to Keef saying the team played with effort.
@@CurriedBat uhh wha? swing an a miss homie, you wanna try again? the leafs are bad for so many reasons and that's all you got?
I would of said a$$hole with Marner
@@CurriedBat How did you miss the obvious "A for Effort" joke
I watched a video by Next Man Up here where the clip of Nylander is lip read as "stop F---ing crying bro, this is the issue guys F---ing pissed about sh!t" (starts at about the 30 second mark and goes to about the 1:10 mark in the next man up video, I HIGHLY suggest y'all give it a watch) and he points out that Matthews is looking more at Nylander than Marner.
Common knowledge, dude. But these clowns aren't geniuses!
Which makes sense. Nylander has always had heart. He may not be the best player on the team, but he's definitely the best player on the team with heart. Matthews a close second.
@@TheEDFLegacy Matthews is not a close second lol. I think Nylander is talking to Matthews when he says to shoot the puck. Matthews is the core of the problem with this team, and they can't be successful with him being the "leader" of this team.
@@TheEDFLegacy Mathews is not even close to being the second best player on the team. The best players have heart, grit, and determination, none of which Mathews has. Mathews only cares about his paycheck and his records.
@@TheEDFLegacyhuh? A player who has heart would not perform this way during the playoffs. Matthew only plays for himself.
Two days ago, I told Adam that Marner was going to be traded. He said it's not happening and that Marner will be a Leaf for years to come. Is Adam EVER right?
He’s an absolute idiot. Basic understanding of the game is a stretch. This is the three amigos who make leaf content. But man, they are so basic. They miss so much of it all.
No!
Let's be honest mitch should've been gone 3 years ago
Were you the one at Boston Pizza who said he'd be traded for Demko though? Because that's a way different thing...
Leafs fans bro.
The biggest flaw with the Toronto media is when they call anyone talented on the Leafs. Look at the results on the ice during the playoffs. That's when talent shines. Toronto talent only shows up in the regular season. 57 years and counting.
You dont know hockey if you don’t think these kids don’t have talent. You don’t score 70-100 pts consistently and not have talent.
They don't have playoff talent / Grit.
“Talent” is something you say about your toddler being on the ice the first time around. After that it’s working on developing skills, team play, stamina, hockey psychology etc. and good players excel as they keep improving those complete skill sets as a person and above all being adaptable team players who work their asses off and know that nothing is handed to them but they have to be accountable themselves. Look at the Leafs and tell me this is a team of complete, competent, accountable, full effort team-players…
if it shows up in regular season and not in the playoffs, it’s a culture issue. clearly they are talented and gifted… they have a culture issue and they’ve always needed a goalie. it’s as simple as that and it’s been the same for years?
can you think of a series where the leafs have had a better goalie than the opponent?
can you think of a series where the leafs have competed and worked for a full series?
its culture and goaltending.
@@__ink__ They wouldve been in round 3 minimum quite often if they were.
What if Matthews says "If you trade Marner, you have to trade me as well"? I think Matthews is the real cancer in the lockerroom. He is so talented and was born with a 6th gear...the problem is...he rarely uses it. Matthews is so talented that he never had to work hard, bust his balls or go to great lengths to win. He never learned how to work hard. This is catching on in the locker room and maybe he doesn't have to work hard, but for other players that are not even half as good as him - these types of players are following him - because those guys NEED TO HAUL ASS just to survive. The leadership is not there. Keefe hasn't lost the room...he's scared to say anything bad against the players. the coach is SCARED of his own players...to the point where he won't even say anything in pressers.
You just explained leafs culture. Not just one player
From ownership to managers to coaches to players to fans.
He kinda reminds me of Jagr. Ultra talented but doesn’t play with that extra ooomph because he is ultra talented. You watch and think “if he just had a slight mean streak or a desire to be more than just an elite goal scorer, he could do it.” But I think he’s content with just scoring goals.
It’s reminiscent of NBA players like Durant or Harden who are happy with scoring 32ppg but are a huge liability defensively. They just don’t care and will proudly say “they pay me to score”. That’s what separates guys like Jordan and Kobe, they want to be great at EVERYTHING. Take pride in their defense as much as offense.
You don’t score 69 goals in a season against the best players in the world by not “working hard”.
Keefe isn’t scared of the players, he knows he’s not coming back next year. He’s not throwing anyone under the bus because he knows he’s be looking for a new job next year. That’s what good coach does, he’s going down with his ship and he’ll take the blame. As he should and anyone else who thought this coaching setup was going to be successful.
M and M can both go then.
Keefe never had the room. That's why he was brought on.
I'm not sure, Nylander even said that to Marner to be honest, I think he said it to Matthews. Because if you look at Matthews when he was bitching, he wasn't looking at Marner, He was looking at Nylander.
"How old are you? You think its migraines?" Insults anyone who believes it by calling them children. So satisfying to see the other 2 guys call him oit at at 9 min he says migranes himself 😂
I don't think it's the mix, I think it's maturity and once Mitch crosses THAT line, he'll be a force wherever he ends up playing.
One time while playing hockey in high school I told the ref I was an assistant captain and he said “Assistant?! Do you bring the captain his drinks no your an alternate captain” and ever since than I’ve said Alternate which makes sense I’m not an assistant to the captain I’m a Alternate that makes way more sense
You actually thought they were a cup contender this year? Finished 10th in league….a fully healthy leafs team loses to boston in 7 at best. And that’s as you say an avg Boston team and that’s round one. Outside the Toronto bubble that’s what the world thinks of them. A round one team. Have fun.
Leafs are not fully healthy. Matts is playing through something, nylander was out the first 3, marner high ankle sprain not fully healed. Bobby mcmann is out. Not to mention stuff we're not told. I'm not making excuses, just saying they are not fully healthy.
@@shazta88the original comment said a fully healthy Leafs team would STILL lose in 7 games to Boston. He didn’t say the Leafs ARE fully healthy.
@@shazta88 AND??
Im from Boston, blaming one player is lame, you know what kind of hockey player he is, he's a finesse player, not a 6'2" bruiser, should he be scoring, yes, the whole teams to blame, same with Sammy, scapegoat, arguing on the bench is cancer to a team, the media pressure in Toronto is insane.
Exactly. There is an atmosphere of denial on the team it seems. It's ALL in their heads... well. .that and bad coaching.
I disagree. I've always thought Marner to be self-centered and childish. You can tell by how he acts on and off the ice, but what did it for me was during the contract negotiations. He has his own best interests at heart, not the interest of the team. He wants the money, not the cup.
Respectfully, this conversation has nothing to do with this series. We've seen this out of Mitch 8 straight years.
This is just one segment of the entire show where they discuss Marner, Keefe, Samsonov, et al
100% right, Leafs need a new coaching staff with playoff experience and overhaul the defense and this team will be scary to play against.
I blame the coaching over the 'mix' of players.
The issue with trading Marner at this deadline is that the return is going to be extremely low. Every other team knows the Leafs want to move off of him and his no trade and contract complicates everything. Anyone thinking they'll get a player like Keller out of a trade is just setting themselves up for disappointment.
I can also see him pulling a Sundin and saying 'nope not moving, I believe in this core,' and he maybe right if they bring in a better coach. The 'we're just going to sit you in the press box' thing just sends a message to any other player looking to sign long term with this team that they don't respect the players and unlike Vegas, can't deliver a winner, so why should they sign here?
I liked the conversation at the end about Zach Hyman. He was a solid player in Toronto who has taken it up another level in Edmonton. I think they should note that he plays with Connor McDavid, which definitely helps. XD
McDavid, heart and drive like Hyman.
The core 4 got spoilt with Hyman doing all the work.
Yelling at each other frustrated is part of a winning team culture. Better than not caring right? Need a goalie
Yeah. Take it off the ice. Regroup as a squad and come back to tear up the next 3 games. Anything short of a shutout next 2 games is irredeemable
It is the perfect storm of 4 characters that if they each played individually on teams they would be absorbed by the larger culture
The COLLECTION OF THE 4 is playoff toxic
LOL. Moronic take. Off the ice and don't throw your gloves off and pout. Agree with them calling him out but should be in the locker room
The fire is good compared to being apathetic, but yelling at eachother is never constructive. The Av's Jared Bednar preaches constantly about keeping cool and sticking to your game regardless of the score, and they get insane comeback wins regularly - that team seems absolutely tilt proof, and plays some of their best hockey while behind
What does these guys know about winning culture? They are the soft as s hit.
Nobody thought Hyman would score 25...?
He was a 25 goal scorer, prorated, in his last two seasons (almost his last three) with the Leafs...21 in 71, 21 in 51, then 15 in 43.
I completely agree with you. Unfortunately not many people like doing math so they live in ignorance lol
They didn't want to pay him 5.25m because they didn't think he was worth it. I'm glad he is continuing to play well. I used to be mad when former Leafs would find success elsewhere. But now it's just a part of it
I think Montreal would be a good fit. We have lots of d to move this offseason and I think getting a 2 way d man would help Toronto with a lot of their issues. I think leaf’s would have to retain a bit of the contract no matter where he goes tho
As long the leafs dont take that habs prospect who likes filming his amourous adventures.
I’ve been saying for a while that they have a small window and it ended last year in my opinion
I agree. It was a huge mistake to keep the core intact, and that falls squarely on Shanahan, because Dubas was about to do exactly that, then got sacked because Shanahan couldn't deal with the fact that Dubas wanted some time with this family to figure out his future on a contract year.
Dubas was not good either bro
@@TheEDFLegacy to be fair dubas and Shanny put the leafs in this mess to begin with .. I don’t mind having a different set of eyes now
“What does that A stand for?” “Effort”
😂😂😂😂 Steve you’re a gem.
We all sure hope so
Nylander was mic’d too. Release the audio!
Kinda curious as a habs fan looking in, do leafs fans think Marner would be a playoff performer on any other team than the leafs?
Some times, great players don’t work … you can’t have multiple leaders … you need one true alpha maybe 2… the rest of them
Are to be soldiers who follow the alpha into war (playoffs)
MM's stats over the last season:
G 26
A 59
P 85
"Some players get you to the playoffs. Other players get you through the playoffs" ... Marner is the kind of player who gets you TO the playoffs but not through them.
Hey guys, excellent channel and great show as always. I think we are going to find that many of the core 4 (and other Leafs) are dealing with major injuries or illnesses. There was one clip I saw where Keefe said that Matthews was dealing with an illness, and a "weird" one. What the f is that?
Also, in the post game if you listen to William nylander, you can hear that he's congested and his voice is all messed up. I'm sure he is dealing with something nasty.
Also, my wife has had migraines since college, and they are not trivial. She spent many days in bed, in a dark room with ice compressors on her forehead. It's a horrible disease, because as she puts it, "Sometimes I am in so much pain that I can't even see straight, but because it doesn't show on the outside, nobody knows."
Anyhoo, I think we are going to find out that the Leafs are very very banged up right now. But, they can't say a word about it, because they would get roasted...by us.
Keep up the great work guys!
Huge mistake by them letting dubas go when he wanted to trade Mitch. He knew what it was and was trying to fix the team and shanahan only was worried about protecting his job.
What do u want him to do?? Seriously when ur frustrated…
Here’s the thing about Marner. As a flames fan, I look at him and I see a player like Johnny Gaudreau. He’s a better than average hockey player, maybe even a great hockey player. But he has no drive and no passion that I can see. He has no willingness to sacrifice himself for the play or the team. If he had the puck and someone comes within 5 feet of him he’s panicking and either passing or dumping when he could push and make a play happen. You watch Matthews play. Hes not afraid to get bumped around if it means making a play. He’s not afraid to go down and block a shot. Sure he’s a little bigger guy than Marner. Than go look at Brad Marshand and the impact he’s having out there, and remember that Marshand is one inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter than Marner. McDavid is nearly the same size as him and watch McDavid play.
End of the day, unless he gains that passion and that drive to fight through to make a play, he will never be successful in the playoffs.
Guys talking about Nylander like he should have played through migraines so severe they're testing him for concussions and other things have obviously never had even a moderate migraine. When you vision is white and light is translated into searing pain it's tough to even standup let alone get ready to leave the house.
So Matthews is the real captain? Is that better?
Starting from next year, #34 will be 2nd highest paid player by cap hit. He is not even in my top 5 forward if I want to build a contender.
It’s the opposite affect to Kadri no? Like both great talents both wanted to be leafs and nothing else. Kadri played a foot over the line and Mitch doesn’t wanna get to the line, you could get so much in return for a guy like him. Bolster your lineup and make them a prick to play, somethings gotta give!
I'm a sens fan so I'm nearly as invested in this as the average leafs fan, but I think it's pretty obvious that Mitch hasn't fully recovered from the high ankle sprain. His edge work and skating overall has been really poor this series and that is something that can take a long time to come back after an injury. If you're going to let Matthews, Nylander and Tavares have excuses for why they haven't been good you have to give it to Mitch as well. He was Toronto's leading scorer in the playoffs last year and he is the guy they turn to in every situation. I agree he hasn't been good enough this series, but the other members of the core four deserve just as much criticism. Marner hasn't been any less effective than the rest of them.
Matthews gets ragged dolled in the past and the Leaf bench looks on uninterested. News reporter gold. Why do you think for most years the rest of the Leafs arent interested in if Matthews gets roughed up? Where there is smoke, there is going to be fire. Leafs are core 4 plus others, not a team.
Q: “Is Mitch Marner playing his last games in Toronto?”
A: No. Mitch has a no-trade clause, and he will happily enforce it. If you think he will say, “Yes, Mr. Treliving, please trade me away from this offensive juggernaut of a team on which I get to set up one of the best goal scorers of all time,” right as he is entering his contract year, you are SORELY mistaken.
Wait, you think that Marner is successful because of Matthews? Did Marner not set up Tavares for 47 goals a few seasons ago? Marner will be successful wherever he goes.
He will be hated and Toronto will never resign him but yes he has 1 year left
All that skill is out the window in playoff hockey.
@@Marixa1979 If you’re trying to argue that Mitch Marner is incredible because prime John Tavares (a former 1st overall pick) at age 28 scored 47 goals next to him, be my guest! Not exactly going to persuade anyone with that one though!
@@johngreystone His assured decision not to go is not really at issue, though; his play in the playoffs is what causes vitriol. If he scores 8 points over the next 3 games and carries the Leafs through to the next round and beyond (as a player paid his salary should be expected to do), he can alleviate all issues. Problem is, year after year, he’s shown he can’t do it in the postseason. The organization still has to abide by the contract that it signed, regardless. If the fans want to be mad at anybody, blame past and current management for enabling four relatively unproven young men to effectively dictate the ultimate competitiveness of the team.
I'm pretty sure it's your coach. Not Marner. Yes Zach Hyman could have scored 50 goals next to Matthews, and Marner, he might have done that with a good coach who puts him with good players.
I don't care who you are you don't just suddenly score 50 as a "grit grinder" because you play with McDavid now. We have tried so many different wingers next to McDavid, and Hyman is elite. Bertuzzi should have had his best season ever, dude has played with the red wings his whole career, if he goes to Edmonton and puts up 30 goals next to Draisaitl what will your excuse be then?
You're making a lot out of a little. They are underperforming but the answer isn't to be found by the behaviour on the bench. It's happening on the ice.
Not a leafs fan but with a marner trade leafs could get some young dmens ( 1 or 2) and a few picks wich is something they dreadfully need. I still think woll is the future for leafs goal tending.
Mark my words, if you trade him, he'll have a cup in 1 to 3 years!
Hyman Alone is worth more then the core 4.
He didn't say "this isn't junior" i don't know why so many people latched onto that.
1:50 down playing migraines as a serious medical condition is crazy
Dude I know right, it's crazy, people who have never experienced a migraine literally think it's similar to a headache. That's like comparing a sprained ankle to a broken bone in your leg. With a true migraine you cannot physically play hockey no matter who "hard nosed and tough" you are. Shea Weber is missing Stanley Cup finals games if he gets a severe migraine. You cannot walk straight let alone skate and play a sport ...
No chance. At this point, Tavares and Marner are both out of contract after next season. Tavares obviously does not get resigned for anywhere close to what he's making now, if at all. That clears up enough cap space to resign Marner and then work on other assets, preferably something to shore up the Goal and Defense.
I say its the coach. No matter how talented your players if the coach is not good... you know what will happen
Matthews has been held out of the score sheet in 5 of his last 6 games if you include game 81 and 82. That guy is "supposed" to be the leafs franchise player. That is inacceptable espescially when he is one of the most paid forwards in the NHL.
Marner hasn’t been fantastic too, but before blaming him leafs fans must stop defending Matthews and looking anywhere else while the main problem of this team is in front of their eyes.
Here's the thing, Matthews, Marner, and Nylander are all right now dealing with legitimate issues to explain why they're performing lackluster in these playoffs. Matthews has a mystery illness that's likely to keep him out for Game 5, Nylander had debilitating migraines (which I disagree with Adam, I do think it's legitimate, the man had to get tinted visors because of them), and Mitch is coming back from a high ankle sprain which is very difficult to come back from. For any other franchise, their three best players dealing with these issues in a playoff series would be a good enough excuse.
However, this isn't any other franchise. This is the Matthews era Toronto Maple Leafs. Their most well known trait is choking in big moments. They were plenty healthy in 2020, less so in 2021 with Tavares out but that's still no excuse for M&M disappearing that series, they were healthy in 2022, and in 2023 they were healthy going into the second round against Florida and they got rinsed. This team has done nothing but lose and fail to come up big in playoff series, so even if they're all hurting right now no one cares because even when they've been healthy the result was still the same.
you forgot to mention this team never had a legit Captain, Tavares is weak, too quiet..remember why O`Reilly didn`t want to stay in Toronto? I don`t think it was money issue but what he experienced with the team, no leadership, ZERO!
I would get rid of Willy before Marner. Kadri, JVR, Tavares and Matthews all had their best years as Leaf playing with Marner. Who has Willy ever made better? Marner is also way better defensively and despite the Myth of Willy. Marner has better playoff numbers.
Keefe may be right that the effort level is okay... these guys just ain't good enough. Paying 2 forward 11 million a season and neither has reached 100 points once. And they decided to add a 3rd for next season...
4 at 11 mill.
Migraines kept the NFL's best running back and best player on the team (Terrell Davis) out of an entire quarter of a Super Bowl that was incredibly close. Even if it was 'just a migraine' for Nylander those are the real deal....
Leafs fans always need a punching bag when the Shanaplan fails. Usually its a D man, this year its Marner. Few years ago it was Freddy, Kadre, list goes on and on...
The headline says it all.
What is Jessie talking about at 4-5 million for Taveras???? Its 2 years 3 million max for him
2 questions. 1. If they fire Keefe, who replaces him? 2. Marner will require a new team to pick up his contract. How much does of his contract does toronto have pick up to move him?
If I could pick any coach I’d pick John Cooper but that will never happen. They need someone with a strong voice.
It will have to be an experienced coach that replaced Keefe. No more first time NHL coaches. Rod Brind'amour doesn't have a contract with Carolina next year. Maybe Quenneville. But it's gotta be someone that holds guys accountable and is not afraid to hurt their feelings.
And the Leafs will have to retain AT LEAST 50% salary if they are able to trade Marner.
@@pomerlain8924 Mathews doesn't want to be coached. That's what happened to Babcock lmao.
These dudes sound like 3 teenagers talking about a teen soap opera.
They have no actual skills, how else are they suppose to pay their rent/mortgage.
Lmao salty Laughs fan over here
Metthews is NOT looking at Marner, he's looking at Willie. look at the picture!
Migraines can 100% keep you out. I suffer from Vistibular migraines...and when they hit I can barely walk for a few hours. If Nylander is suffering from them I fully get it.
I've had migraines that keep me bed ridden for multiple days. It's more short term debilitating than broken bones I've had...there is no playing through a bad migraine no matter how tough you are.
Leafs, like my Stars, have a young deep depth team...future is bright
Babcock and Lou put the team first and no way were either going to give into the demands of the up and coming Leaf starts. Matthews and Marner wanted to run the team. Leafs did better with less in 2017-18 but rolling 3 lines with fairly close ice times. Matthews demanded more ice time. So Babcock and and Lou had to go. Leafs hired Keefe to cater to the whims of the core 4 and to be the fall guy.
I sure hope so
Next Man Up has a video on this bench interaction and it really looks like Willy saying to Mathews that Mitch needs to stop crying.
If Marner gets traded that teams chance to make playoffs goes up 65%
Why is everyone hating on marner? He’s the only one who created offense in game 3 and game 4. WHAT ABOUT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM? THE COACH ? What about Tavares ? Guys now a 3rd line center at best, complete waste of 11 million. What about the atrocious D core ?
People saying that such and such is out thats sick and what not need to shut up. It's not a one-man show. Look at the Canucks, demko and desmith are out and they are still winning games without a guy thats been such a great player for them the entire year.
No. He has a full NMC and he won't waive it. It will be a gamble that the leafs won't risk him walking in free agency so he'll get a new deal.
The reason why will sat wasn't headaches. They are playing Boston if they gave the real injury and then he comes back and they see opportunity to aggravate that injury, Boston will take it.
Marner to NYI for Dobson, Sorokin and a first
No excuses for this team. Results speak volumes.
The problem is paying 4 forwards 50% of your salary cap.
Agreed, regarding the point about throwing the gloves as a assistant captain is poor leadership
To me it's funny Mitch is the scapegoat here what has Matthews done in any playoff series to make him a captain lol they are very talented players but not a team the core all said pay me before doing anything and they got the money.what veteran they traded for at trade deadline has stuck around if they thought they had a chance to win they would stay there's a problem in the dressing room and it's Matthews and marner attitude send them both packing
Yet another "mitch marner panic mode discussion". He is going NOWHERE.
Toronto needs more toughness to win in the playoffs.
Proposed trade:
Toronto gets Rasmus Ristolinen
Philadelphia gets mitch marner 50% reduced cap hit. (His name is all lower case due to how bad he sucks in the playoffs.)
Know who wouldn’t act this way? Zach Hyman.
first things first ... assign a proper captain .. heart and soul player. who would that be?
JT is an NPC, total zombie
I think we forget too that Morgan Reilly has been the #1 dman on this team for years. Every real contender has a better 2nd dman than him.
That is exactly how people who don’t know anything about Migraines talk…they can be debilitating!
Great shirt Jesse
It’s Zed Steve not Zee
I wish we had a Gilmour or Clark back wearing the C
Sry but the A stands for Alternate Captain, not Assistant.
Steve literally says this in the video
@@mossly9785 when? Maybe the 'plop' sound of my poop hitting the water drowned out the part where he said it.
@@wnsbug 3:23 "it's assistant captain... Or alternate captain, depends on who you ask"
I think Steve said it clear there. Maybe stops being a dick for a moment and listen?
@@moharikram1687whoa, chill, why the hostility? I didn't hear every single word while focusing on the diarrhea being released from my body, and besides, Adam drowned out the second part. You stop being a dick! It's offensive because mine is really small... 😢
@@moharikram1687 when you see how much tribalism can be thrust into even hockey lingo you start to become very pessimistic about humans in general lmao
I would personally keep Marner and trade Mathews, the regular season is not a problem for them, it's the playoffs that are, and as of typing this both of them have played 54 games and one has 49 points and one has 47, they both suck at bringing the heat when it matters, Mitch will work better and make someone better, I don't know Mathews would other than taking some heat off them. Plus you would get more in any trade for him.
Can I have what you’re smoking?
So trade a 60+ goalscorer and keep a 60 assists guy 😂 pass the blunt
I've never been this checked out of a Leafs series. Even when they were down against Florida last year, I found a way to enjoy the games. But midway through game 4, they just lost me. Even if they win game 5 tonight... I'm not being sucked back in. I've seen enough. I'll watch out of misguided obligation. But mentally, I'm out til October.
Maybe Matthew's has Crohns like Essymont, he should contact him
I AM SO OVER LEAFS FANS BLAMING ONE BLOODY PLAYER. Y'all have way bigger issues the WHOLE team looks terrible.
People talking about migraines as if they are just a headache are hilarious.
That's genuinely like comparing a paper cut to a stab wound. They not similar even slightly.
I could easily play hockey, maybe abit uncomfortably, with a headache. Simply getting out of bed, walking down a hall and peeing with a migraine, is absolutely excruciating and 50x worse than a full hockey game with a headache. You cannot effectively play hockey with s genuine migraine friends.
This might sound crazy but I think this would be just dumb fun mitch marner to the Florida Panthers let's make that happen for just pure dumb fun
This is an embarrassing take after the fact. Sheldon Keefe spoke to Matthews, because that was supposed to be a set play that Willy completely screwed up. It’s interesting when you put context to the situation. Nylander screwed this up and he deserves to be held accountable for his actions.
You would never see Pasternak or McAvoy act like that.
I don't wanna hear about Marchand breaking his stick and not getting penalty. I've heard about that missed call, and the Tavares call on McAvoy was weak. You guys want to mention the high sick on McAvoy that was missed?
I don't want to hear 1 word about the refs. They are problem 93 on a list of 99 things wrong w Toronto. Why do you want a power play anyway, its a momentum killer when you run at a 7% success rate.
As a Bruin fan, I would love to take Nylander off your hands ✌
Only for McAvoy.
@@willsk7068 Pass lol
Should he be traded for this playoff performance? Absolutely not....the guy's obviously not a 100% and fighting a high ankle sprain. Should he be traded because his cap hit is too high for what he brings to the team? Absolutely yes.
If it wasn't for the core 4 Hyman would still be a Leaf
Say leafs do trade marner, whatcha thinking his next contract will look like?
This is what you get when you don’t have a coach with experience
Marner is a video game player... plays amazing... then first sign of adversity... "stop game! reset! let's start over!" EDIT: watching rest of video... trade scenario Marner will have to be traded to Bruins and play with Pasta.... traded for maybe coyle at best..
Lets not pretend like it isnt the leafs lack of defence thats the problem. Rielly wouldnt be a #1 on ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. He cannot defend. He only gets points when the core 4 score. Leafs need to move out JT or Mitch, or both and bring in top quality defenders, as well as a proper starting goaltender. No team ever wins a cup without good defenders. We have maybe two guys who can play top six minutes. Rielly and McCabe, neither of which are top 2.
31 teams would be thrilled to pay for Marner if Toronto decides to make a change
What!?? Are you kidding me? What are you smoking? Typical leafs fan , holy smokes. 😳 It’s actually pathetic at this point guys. Come on now? You’re so delusional.
Marner to Utah for some draft picks. Get those draft picks.
yup, he's just another victim of the TO hockey media and fanbase. He'll never be a Wendel Clark like the fans want but he will find success elsewhere once he leaves the fishbowl. The hate for this guy is just insane rn considering the entire team is playing like shite
@@MussellRartin as a clear-eyed Marner fan, this whole debacle has been ridiculous. He has underperformed in this series, yes, but everybody else has. The issue is he's the scape goat due to his contract. There is a massive Leafs camp that wants to move him just based on that, and then there the ones who just hate him due to the perception that he's soft. These same people would call Gretzky soft so there you have it. Marner is a future HoF talent and perhaps even a generational playmaker. If Team Canada revealed their roster today, guess who's on the top line? None of this matter to Leafs fans. If it was up to me I would move everyone BUT Marner, including Mathews and Reilly...
Domi had more 5on5 primary assists and even just 5on5 assists in general I believe… Marner is too easy to neutralize, that will be the case on any team