Value is based on two things, price and performance. Marner is elite but he's paid as an elite player. So he's not outstanding value. A high value player is always going to warrant more in trade then a guy that makes what he should.
@exturkconner agreed. I don't see the leafs getting an absolute package of elite players back for Marner who is UFA in one year. If they do good for them. But his value is subjective right now.
That's probably the most likely type of return if he is traded, there's value in the capspace especially if they can sign someone like Montour or Pesce.
@@safertobeanonymous2224 worry about that next offseason meanwhile the cap will have gone up probably another 5m from the expected 87.7m upcoming season.
@@shinyuta I doubt they would let a stud 28 year old Theodore go because they want to get a 33 year old Marchessault signed..no matter how good of a year he had, there is a cliff coming soon for him at that age
Well, he actually should. But the way Leafs Nation has focused their anger and pounded on him since they got eliminated, they've diminished his trade value immensely. Just stupid.
@@tonylloy327 No one is giving anything of value. Just wait a year and sign him just for money. Why would any team give up assets and do Toronto a favor?
@@lordrayden3045 a) You don't know if he'll be available next summer, he and the Leafs could have a change of heart and do a deal or he could get traded later in the season and extend with that team. b) everything is time sensitive, if you're a contending team and you can get Marner now then you have incentive to do that and not to wait. Plus a trade can free up cap room on that team's end, which is something that the Leafs might be interested in since they will still be contending (think the Jets getting Vilardi, Iafallo, etc. back for Dubois and the Flames getting Huberdeau and Weegar for Tkachuk). c) very few players of Marner's age and talent become available at all in today's NHL d) Marner is incentivized to sign an 8 year extension post-July 1. If he goes to free agency he almost certainly isn't getting that 8th year
So when you're a seller on Marner, you're picking and choosing what players you want back from other teams and you want to save on cap space. I don't think that's how this works. A closer trade scenario is more like a Joe Thornton trade where Boston got a few smaller pieces back, and you're not getting full value back...
@@ronmurray7349 and if he gets seriously injured where he has to retire, he's just flushed $100 million down the toilet. he'll do a sign and trade. he already gets to pick and choose
Leafs media is just as delusional as their fans. Nowhere but Toronto does Marner have trade value. Do the Leafs think no one else pays attention to what type of player Marner is?
They keep missing the most obvious player to target , Matheson from Montreal, the production and cap hit would be perfect for the leafs , but they wouldn't want to pay the price , probably nies and a 1st
Mitch Marner, the player Babcock sussed out years ago, the player who needed a non injury time away from hockey years ago at Christmas, the player who started pouting in the playoffs, one of the core 4 who go silent in the playoffs, realistically the Leafs want to dump this player badly are not in the drivers seat for any trade. Teams are not giving up their best players for Mitch.
It's all true that Marner is the least disappointing of the 'core four' in playoffs, and that many of the things that are rumored to have happened in the past are just that...RUMOURS. But nevertheless, all the noise in Leafs Nation about dumping him is not exactly putting Leafs' management in any kind of a decent position to be getting 'fair value' in return. If Marner refuses to waive his no movement clause and then walks away as a UFA next year, Leafs Nation only has itself to blame for turning on a guy who at many times has been the Leafs MVP. None of it makes any sense, except that Leafs fans refuse to stop worshiping Matthews, and they know they can't move Tavares, so Marner becomes the target by default. But their anger is focused in the wrong places, IMO.
Preds are a sensible destination for the following reasons: 1. Predators have plenty of cap space 2. Toronto needs a goalie and the Preds could trade them Saros (who makes only $5m next year) as part of the package. Preds have Askarov coming up anyway 3. Tennessee has no state income tax and players enjoy both low taxes and the nightlife aka preferred destination - Marner would likely waive ntc 4. Predators need offense 5. Nashville is in the Western conf It's a win for both organizations.
So if you're the Preds and you STILL have to play regular season games - who exactly is their starting goalie? Askarov is 21...you're not throwing him into the fire just because. You still need a full time NHL-calibre goalie.
6. NOPE. There's no win for Marner and it's HIM to decide. And that's what counts. He wants a team that can win Stanley Cup. Nashville will compete whether to get into playoffs or not.
a very big no thanks, our blueline is stacked and it makes zero sense to go get an overpaid Marner for just 1 year and give up a huge piece..he is not even worth giving future considerations for at that insane cap hit
A vast majority of NHL teams would love to have Mitch Marner on their team because he’s an elite playmaker, plays on the powerplay and penalty kill, is super exciting, will pack their arenas, etc. Yes, in the playoffs, he’s scared of being bodychecked, but some teams will still want him. GM Brad Treliving ought to get Marner to submit a list of teams he’s interested in being traded to and let there be a bidding war! The LA Kings would love to have him.
Who has no trade clause on Leafs? Five players (Marner, Tavares, Rielly, Auston Matthews, William Nylander) have no-movement clauses. Another three (Calle Jarnkrok, David Kampf and Jake McCabe) have modified no-trade
He can and looked really good there at points in the playoffs, but if they do move on from Marner he's probably their best playmaker. Keefe was playing him on the wing with Matthews quite a bit, guess we'll see how Berube sees it.
I think that's a good reason to think it's gotta be to Vegas for Theodore+. Anyone wanting Marner is probably going to want to negotiate with him first, to get him in on a new contract. Leafs can then ask to negotiate with Theodore in return. That said, personally, I still think all of this much too complicated to expect them to do anytime soon. If it happens, it'll be in August, not July 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Marner winds up just signing an extension with the Leafs.
So I know this will never happen, but a team that has a lot of futures(in terms of signed for 1+years) and good young dmen is buffalo. They also need goal scoring. It could also make sense for a player that enjoys playing close to home Unlikely it will happen that way. They also have something like 23mill in cap space
Ding ding ding we have a winner. This was my pick too a few weeks ago when the wheels first went into motion. Will be interesting to see how the saga plays out.
3 way deal: Marner goes to (insert team here), Maple Leafs get Erik Cernak from Tampa Bay, Tampa bay gets draft picks. Tampa needs room to keep Stamkos. Right now they don’t have the room, but moving Cernak makes sense, and Toronto needs a solid defenseman. He’s got 2 cups and came up through the Lightning system, worked with McDonagh, Sergachev, and Hedman, and coached by John Cooper. He’s also 26 years old, so he’s going to be good for a number of years. I think he’d be a good fit.
Zero chance Washington trades Wilson especially since his brand new contract hasn't even started yet. I do think Washington is interested though considering Carbery was his coach and Sandin his teammate. Washington has a massive amount of salary cap space coming available after this upcoming season.
What if it’s not a contender, what if it’s Chicago wanting to pair Marner with Bedard? Their 2nd overall pick and either Nazar Korchinski, the leafs can then trade any 2 of those 3 pieces for roster players in the $4-5mil range…
Oh I see where you’re coming from, the rest of the league and the Leafs will just wait and do nothing for a year so Chicago can have Marner as a free agent, because that’s how it all works! Dickhead
I am an Avs fan and I would not hate them going after Marner. I think it's a perfect situation for Marner. He doesn't need to be the guy, it won't be media hell and he will play in their top six with either MacKinnon or Raantanen.
@joechriste7052 he had 48 points without any PP1 time, which would put him number 2 on Toronto D for points and was a +33 which is better than any Toronto Maple Leaf. Leafs fans really are stuck only watching East games eh?
@coltonnaslund I'm a leafs fan look at my first comment we ain't all like that lol I'm not just a leafs fan I'm a hockey fan I personally watch every game from every team
The biggest issue with the Vegas trade is a simple fact. Marner for Theodore means Vegas is eating 5M. This says they are losing Theodore and Marner is supposed to replace Marchessault. Marner is an elite playmaker but he can't fit the goal scoring niche Marchessault is filling. I can see them moving Theodore but not for a Marner sized cap hit.
Anyone who is a legitimate top 4 defenceman would be a welcome addition. They need someone who can take some pressure off of Rielly. He really hasn't had that level of a partner, or even someone who can play those minutes consistently. Pesce might be available as a UFA, he would be a nice addition but they need a major upgrade on the back end.
@@jaykanou7331 Because I’m a crazy Leaf fan. I don’t believe anyone in their right mind would do it. That said, why does Marner think he is worth so much money when you consider what Brady Tkachuk is making. But it is fun dreaming.
Tkachuk's career high in points is 83, Marner has put up 90+ three times and had 85 in 69 games this season. Yes they are different players, Tkachuk is younger, and Marner plays with better players including the best goalscorer in the league, but that's why Marner will ask for more and he'll probably get it, it just doesn't make sense for that to be with the Leafs.
Trades are inherently always trades for contracts. Aside from the improvements a team needs on the ice, what all involved teams ALWAYS want are better contracts under their cap structure. So naturally, one-on-one, you would only trade: Bad for bad, good for good contracts. Of course there's no such rule, but if you're worse off contract wise after a trade, you'll at least want compensation within that trade, until it's fair again (draft picks, salary retained, etc). Sometimes when hearing trade ideas I find myself thinking that GM's can only ever slowly improve their overall contracts architecture. If they are smart and got the right expertise they might quickly improve their teams ON-ICE (short term), while still dealing with an overload of really really bad contracts long term that might become even more of an overload because these short term on-ice improvements cost them. As a Leafs fan I'm always afraid that that's exactly them. I might be totally wrong with that whole contracts theory and multiple bad contracts might be solved faster than I think. In that case I'd still like to know what experts think are good or bad contracts on the Leafs and why they think a specific bad contract is actually moveable. I wouldn't trade Marner until February. He won't bring much in return NOW (certainly no Theodore). February is when GM's are likely to overpay. Today the Leafs would rather have to pay compensation, or so it feels.
wing Marner, center Petterson, Tkachuk have identical age, goals, assists, plus-minus, salary, just Tkachuk with much lower shooting %. All three would be top player/ scorer on half the teams in the League. Marner could feed center Miller and Boeser, Petterson (6'2, hardest shot) could center wing Nylander.
@@user-mt4ks4su3m never say never. He has not been at his best for most of the playoffs... Gustav forsling is the best defenseman in Florida, a guy picked up on waivers. Imagine that.
Leafs fans believe they will receive something good in exchange for Mitch Marner and Everybody else knows that nobody is interested in getting Marner Contract. A guy who is well known through the league as a Missing player in Action (MIA) when the playoff start.
its incredible that Leafs nation does not realize that the entire value in moving Marner is what term he has left..nobody is giving up a ton for a 1 year rental 🙄
new jersey is a team that could use marner and they have cap space and they are 1 or 2 pieces away from a playoff run. also the leafs could use 1 or 2 defencemen on nj
Chicago works if Jones at 75% straight up for Mitch. Gives leaf’s 3 mil of cap and jones will be better on a better team. Jones is over paid at 9.5 but at 7?
I know Toronto fans will hate this and why would they deal with Ottawa, but would Chychrun + Batherson + Bostons 1st round pick for Marner make sense for Toronto?
He's going to want more money and the Leafs need to allocate that money more effectively. They have holes to fill and moving on from Marner would make those necessary changes easier.
@@sals79 It not a nitpick. Would you call a guy a continual 50 goal scorer who has never scored 50 goals? Mithc Marner is cloer to a 60 point scorer then he is a 90 point scorer as he hit 60 range 4 times but only the 90 range 3 times, and never a 100 points scorer!
Do they need a better goalie? Could consider a trade to Carolina for Kochetkov. Or the isles for Varlamov, but guessing Marner doesn’t want to go to a non-contender. Get Carolina to throw in another good player and a pick. Then go after some cheap ufa’s. Pat Kane had signed a super cheap deal with Detroit last year, and played excellent. Offer him a 2 year deal for $3.5 mill per, he would take it. Toffoli and or Monahan will sign cheaper contracts. Sign guys like this with the freed up cap space from Marner.
NOBODY should care what value Marner brings to another team. He didn't bring it in Toronto despite multiple playoff attempts. Its too bad but the Leafs need to move on and get more of a balanced roster within the cap. Spread the scoring around, add more size/grit/intangibles. Period.
You need to all brace yourselves for the possibility that Mitch stays for another year. And no "he's going to play in fourth line and fans will hate him" won't cut as reason why he would be traded. If there isn't deal available to destination he wants, there's nothing Leafs can do and it will be just like before. It's CHILDISH to think you force player with no-trade clause to leave with example for 4th line demotion, it would mean that no player IN ENTIRE LEAGUE would like go to Leafs and you jeopardize relationship with all the players. Leafs and Dubas did the contract with him, so saying now to him "you must leave" is BEYOND STUPID. So Dangle is full of bs.
@@JTAPtv Sure you can, just acknowledge that trades are fantasy by fans. Since Leafs don't decide where Mitch goes, Mitch decides where Mitch goes. It's really simple as that. So you need to build the trades based into where he would like to go.
If torotnot threw in a few 1rst round picks maybe. Pareko is a top pairing D under contract. Buchneyvich for Marner heads up maybe as Toronto gets cap and a player that fits need better.
@@safertobeanonymous2224 Parayko is a top 4 Dman on the wrong side of 30 with like 7 years left at 6.5, and back issues. This is coming from a blues fan, I love him, but I just don’t think he fits their window for real.
That's a proposal I've seen, and one I like. I think it fits multiple needs for the Leafs. Salary change is pretty even for next year so it doesn't really help with capspace, but would give them an upgrade on defence and a solid forward to replace Marner and someone who plays a different style of game. How much has Buchnevich played as a centre? Would give them some nice depth down the middle, even as a winger I think it could be a really nice fit.
@@alexleblanc5926 He’s been experimented as C for short periods of time over the past two years. It hasn’t gone terribly well, or at least not well enough to dislodge Schenn as 2C.
@@alexleblanc5926 he’s experimented at center for parts of this and last year. It’s gone poorly enough that he hasn’t displaced Schenn as our 2C, so idk that it’d be an upgrade.
Trade with a team that has cap space for a young player/s and picks. Use the cap space to get what you need now and at the trade deadline. Bring in Montour, Pesce and keep Lybushkin instead of always wasting your picks on him!
Just as a fan of Hockey and being a biased Canadian I would love too see Marner somehow make his way to Edmonto he's far away from us and we get to watch him light the league up with McDavid and Draisaitl
I dont think it HAS to be a contender he will go to, Mitch wants to be THE guy and be paid as such, so I can see him being willing to go to a up and coming team where he can be that and get paid as such.
Leafs are not winning any marner trade. Thats assuming he will waive his no trade clause. Marner has huberdeau written all over him and the NHL teams know it.
hardly. Marner is 3 years younger and has a longer history of scoring lots of points. also, Marner gets to choose where he goes, Huberdeau didn't. that matters. the value of Marner is that he makes other good/great players better
These guys have awful takes regularly. The only reason you trade a prime 100 pt scorer is because he disappears in the playoffs when it matters most. Why would a contender do that? 16 is not the missing piece for a contender.
Drysdale was traded to the Flyers earlier this year. I don't see the Ducks looking to make that type of move at this point. I also don't see Marner waiving to go to a team in Anaheims position.
If he goes anywhere, which I doubt he will because why would he take a huge risk on a contract year, it will be to a team that is trying to make the playoffs. He doesn’t do well in the playoffs. He is a regular season superstar which can be great. A team trying to make a deep run is not going to sink 11 mill into a playoff ghost.
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A piece away was a 10m player named Jack Eichel while Vegas was a perennial cup contender
They weren't even in the league long enough to be called a perennial cup contender lol
@@JTAPtv more both cups and playoff series wins in 6 years than Toronto has had in what like 50 years?
@@thepolishprince851 I'm not a Toronto fan so idc. When they got eichel they were not a perennial cup contender
Marner is a weird player. He's elite but his value doesn't sound as high as you hope it is.
These guys don't have a clue, there just guessing.
Look up what PL Dubois got traded for with one year left.
Having Montreal trying really hard to get a decent french canadian player really drove the price up, is Marner real name Miche Marnier by any luck ?
Value is based on two things, price and performance. Marner is elite but he's paid as an elite player. So he's not outstanding value. A high value player is always going to warrant more in trade then a guy that makes what he should.
@exturkconner agreed. I don't see the leafs getting an absolute package of elite players back for Marner who is UFA in one year. If they do good for them. But his value is subjective right now.
Basically, you need one quality piece back plus capspace and a future pick or prospect.
That's probably the most likely type of return if he is traded, there's value in the capspace especially if they can sign someone like Montour or Pesce.
Extending Hanifin was to replace Martinez not Theodore 😂
Definitely. Except all they do is go up to the cap. How do they fit in Theo at 8-9?
@@safertobeanonymous2224 worry about that next offseason meanwhile the cap will have gone up probably another 5m from the expected 87.7m upcoming season.
@@safertobeanonymous2224 Vegas play with Salary Cap turned off.
@michaelbacon8698 I'm a vgk fan and shea was my coach in seattle, but they will very likely trade Shea especially if they want to keep marchy.
@@shinyuta I doubt they would let a stud 28 year old Theodore go because they want to get a 33 year old Marchessault signed..no matter how good of a year he had, there is a cliff coming soon for him at that age
That trade 'proposal' with Vegas is an absolute joke 😂. No way Vegas makes that deal.
Shea Theodore straight up for Auston Matthews, *maybe*.
“By the way, Mitch is going to fetch a lot of stuff”
Sure thing there sparky, keep thinking that
Well, he actually should. But the way Leafs Nation has focused their anger and pounded on him since they got eliminated, they've diminished his trade value immensely. Just stupid.
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No one is giving anything of value.
Just wait a year and sign him just for money.
Why would any team give up assets and do Toronto a favor?
@@lordrayden3045 a) You don't know if he'll be available next summer, he and the Leafs could have a change of heart and do a deal or he could get traded later in the season and extend with that team. b) everything is time sensitive, if you're a contending team and you can get Marner now then you have incentive to do that and not to wait. Plus a trade can free up cap room on that team's end, which is something that the Leafs might be interested in since they will still be contending (think the Jets getting Vilardi, Iafallo, etc. back for Dubois and the Flames getting Huberdeau and Weegar for Tkachuk). c) very few players of Marner's age and talent become available at all in today's NHL d) Marner is incentivized to sign an 8 year extension post-July 1. If he goes to free agency he almost certainly isn't getting that 8th year
So when you're a seller on Marner, you're picking and choosing what players you want back from other teams and you want to save on cap space. I don't think that's how this works. A closer trade scenario is more like a Joe Thornton trade where Boston got a few smaller pieces back, and you're not getting full value back...
Let alone Marner can choose where he wants to go.
It’s not at all how it works
Hilarious to watch the delusion
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And that?
Marner to Detroit. we have just the d man for you.. Justin Holl.
What about Moritz seider
With how Leaf fans talk about Marner it seems like they would do that trade too
@RyanJones4444 lol Sieder isn't going anywhere 😂 that's borderline delusional to even suggest Yzerman would move him.
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You are half right.
It’ll be after July 1 not just for the bonus
BUT
Because then it can be a sign and trade/trade and extend which can be done then.
@@ronmurray7349 and if he gets seriously injured where he has to retire, he's just flushed $100 million down the toilet. he'll do a sign and trade. he already gets to pick and choose
@@ronmurray7349guarantee that's not happening
why do i have membership privileges and icon...? wtf i better not get charged for this
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Well now i want one
Imagine believing youll get multiple pieces - nevermind multiple NHL roster players - for Marner.
Leafs media is just as delusional as their fans. Nowhere but Toronto does Marner have trade value. Do the Leafs think no one else pays attention to what type of player Marner is?
They keep missing the most obvious player to target , Matheson from Montreal, the production and cap hit would be perfect for the leafs , but they wouldn't want to pay the price , probably nies and a 1st
Mitch Marner, the player Babcock sussed out years ago, the player who needed a non injury time away from hockey years ago at Christmas, the player who started pouting in the playoffs, one of the core 4 who go silent in the playoffs, realistically the Leafs want to dump this player badly are not in the drivers seat for any trade. Teams are not giving up their best players for Mitch.
Bunch of lies.
doesnt mitch have the most points in playoffs out of the core 4?
@@hybaaaa yup
It's all true that Marner is the least disappointing of the 'core four' in playoffs, and that many of the things that are rumored to have happened in the past are just that...RUMOURS. But nevertheless, all the noise in Leafs Nation about dumping him is not exactly putting Leafs' management in any kind of a decent position to be getting 'fair value' in return. If Marner refuses to waive his no movement clause and then walks away as a UFA next year, Leafs Nation only has itself to blame for turning on a guy who at many times has been the Leafs MVP. None of it makes any sense, except that Leafs fans refuse to stop worshiping Matthews, and they know they can't move Tavares, so Marner becomes the target by default. But their anger is focused in the wrong places, IMO.
@@tonylloy327 No team is going to make decisions on what media or fans are saying. They make decisions based on their own staff.
Avs fan here: it sounds crazy, but if 'Rantanen for Marner' was starting point, what else would be thrown in for both teams to approve such a trade?
Chicago won't trade for Mitch. They want to build through the draft for 3 or 4 years, no big splash right now.
Why on earth Mitch would go to Chicago?
@markiv2942 did you forget the blackhawks drafted bedard?
Preds are a sensible destination for the following reasons:
1. Predators have plenty of cap space
2. Toronto needs a goalie and the Preds could trade them Saros (who makes only $5m next year) as part of the package. Preds have Askarov coming up anyway
3. Tennessee has no state income tax and players enjoy both low taxes and the nightlife aka preferred destination - Marner would likely waive ntc
4. Predators need offense
5. Nashville is in the Western conf
It's a win for both organizations.
So if you're the Preds and you STILL have to play regular season games - who exactly is their starting goalie? Askarov is 21...you're not throwing him into the fire just because. You still need a full time NHL-calibre goalie.
I'll take Askarov + for Marner
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@@leaf16nut solid free agent singing
6. NOPE. There's no win for Marner and it's HIM to decide. And that's what counts. He wants a team that can win Stanley Cup. Nashville will compete whether to get into playoffs or not.
Trade with sabres for defence ?
a very big no thanks, our blueline is stacked and it makes zero sense to go get an overpaid Marner for just 1 year and give up a huge piece..he is not even worth giving future considerations for at that insane cap hit
No thanks we're trying to build for a playoff team. We don't need a malcontent who disappears in the post season.
I love hearing Steve casually swearing 😂
Love to see him in Jersey, and I'm sure we have something to offer.
Never gonna happen
Vegas also has to make a call on Marchessault and Stephenson. Both are UFAs on Canada Day.
A vast majority of NHL teams would love to have Mitch Marner on their team because he’s an elite playmaker, plays on the powerplay and penalty kill, is super exciting, will pack their arenas, etc. Yes, in the playoffs, he’s scared of being bodychecked, but some teams will still want him.
GM Brad Treliving ought to get Marner to submit a list of teams he’s interested in being traded to and let there be a bidding war! The LA Kings would love to have him.
Why would a team sign a player who is afraid of playing in the playoffs?
I think Toronto should look to Ottawa, Marner for Batherson and Chychurn or something like this. They get an extra depth winger and a top 4 D-man
You're over valuing Marner.
Think Monahan deal.... they might have to pay someone to take that contract.
Who has no trade clause on Leafs?
Five players (Marner, Tavares, Rielly, Auston Matthews, William Nylander) have no-movement clauses. Another three (Calle Jarnkrok, David Kampf and Jake McCabe) have modified no-trade
Can't domi play center?
He can and looked really good there at points in the playoffs, but if they do move on from Marner he's probably their best playmaker. Keefe was playing him on the wing with Matthews quite a bit, guess we'll see how Berube sees it.
my arm chair gm mock trade idea - 3 team trade...
toronto receives - s.jones + k.johnson
columbus receives - marner
chicago receives - #4 overall.
Wait and get him as a FA for free. If it is a trade GMs are going to take advantage of the situation and lowball Toronto.
Amazing how many people forget what Winnipeg got for Dubois from LA with one year left. Let’s stop the nonsense talk here.
if more than one meaningful team (to Marner) wants him, you needn't worry about lowballing
I doubt any team would trade for him without an extension being part of the deal
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Yes, but we are talking about the Leafs, the biggest joke of a franchise in all of professional sports history.
I think that's a good reason to think it's gotta be to Vegas for Theodore+. Anyone wanting Marner is probably going to want to negotiate with him first, to get him in on a new contract. Leafs can then ask to negotiate with Theodore in return.
That said, personally, I still think all of this much too complicated to expect them to do anytime soon. If it happens, it'll be in August, not July 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Marner winds up just signing an extension with the Leafs.
So I know this will never happen, but a team that has a lot of futures(in terms of signed for 1+years) and good young dmen is buffalo. They also need goal scoring. It could also make sense for a player that enjoys playing close to home
Unlikely it will happen that way. They also have something like 23mill in cap space
Ding ding ding we have a winner. This was my pick too a few weeks ago when the wheels first went into motion. Will be interesting to see how the saga plays out.
3 way deal: Marner goes to (insert team here), Maple Leafs get Erik Cernak from Tampa Bay, Tampa bay gets draft picks. Tampa needs room to keep Stamkos. Right now they don’t have the room, but moving Cernak makes sense, and Toronto needs a solid defenseman. He’s got 2 cups and came up through the Lightning system, worked with McDonagh, Sergachev, and Hedman, and coached by John Cooper. He’s also 26 years old, so he’s going to be good for a number of years. I think he’d be a good fit.
How does trading Cernak for Marner open up cap space?
Utah looking to make a splash could maybe make a move they have the pieces to do it but do they
How about Washington ? They desperately need offense and get younger, I just don't know if they would be willing to trade Tom Wilson and TVR for him
Zero chance Washington trades Wilson especially since his brand new contract hasn't even started yet. I do think Washington is interested though considering Carbery was his coach and Sandin his teammate. Washington has a massive amount of salary cap space coming available after this upcoming season.
Great discussion guys!
What if it’s not a contender, what if it’s Chicago wanting to pair Marner with Bedard?
Their 2nd overall pick and either Nazar Korchinski, the leafs can then trade any 2 of those 3 pieces for roster players in the $4-5mil range…
Oh that’s hilarious
Why in the hell would Chicago give up anything of value ?
They can wait a year and get him for just money
2nd overall pick ………. 🤡
Chicago can eat the salary,
But you’re getting Seth jones back
Miner for jones straight up
Oh I see where you’re coming from, the rest of the league and the Leafs will just wait and do nothing for a year so Chicago can have Marner as a free agent, because that’s how it all works!
Dickhead
Chicago is still in tank mode
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You probably can’t mention reality to leaf fans
I am an Avs fan and I would not hate them going after Marner. I think it's a perfect situation for Marner. He doesn't need to be the guy, it won't be media hell and he will play in their top six with either MacKinnon or Raantanen.
Vancouver is having problems signing RFA Filip Hronek. Could a deal be made between those two teams?
Yes, please. I want Toronto to pay a mediocre defenseman 8 mil
@@joechriste7052he's one of the best right handed defensemen in the league
... are you OK?
@joechriste7052 he had 48 points without any PP1 time, which would put him number 2 on Toronto D for points and was a +33 which is better than any Toronto Maple Leaf. Leafs fans really are stuck only watching East games eh?
@coltonnaslund I'm a leafs fan look at my first comment we ain't all like that lol I'm not just a leafs fan I'm a hockey fan I personally watch every game from every team
Nashville???
PPPFFFFTTTTT
The biggest issue with the Vegas trade is a simple fact. Marner for Theodore means Vegas is eating 5M. This says they are losing Theodore and Marner is supposed to replace Marchessault. Marner is an elite playmaker but he can't fit the goal scoring niche Marchessault is filling.
I can see them moving Theodore but not for a Marner sized cap hit.
Isn’t Theodore the same type of player as Rielly? Leafs need a RHD Shut down guy
Anyone who is a legitimate top 4 defenceman would be a welcome addition. They need someone who can take some pressure off of Rielly. He really hasn't had that level of a partner, or even someone who can play those minutes consistently. Pesce might be available as a UFA, he would be a nice addition but they need a major upgrade on the back end.
Comparing Rielly to Theodore is delusion at its peak
Anyone remember Mats and his NMC. Marner will say the same thing ‘FU I’m staying till the end of my NMC contract’
This is why I continue to say Marner is going to win a cup before the Leafs after he is traded.
How about Ottawa. Brady Tkachuk?
Why would Ottawa do this?
@@jaykanou7331 Because I’m a crazy Leaf fan. I don’t believe anyone in their right mind would do it. That said, why does Marner think he is worth so much money when you consider what Brady Tkachuk is making. But it is fun dreaming.
Tkachuk's career high in points is 83, Marner has put up 90+ three times and had 85 in 69 games this season. Yes they are different players, Tkachuk is younger, and Marner plays with better players including the best goalscorer in the league, but that's why Marner will ask for more and he'll probably get it, it just doesn't make sense for that to be with the Leafs.
@@alexleblanc5926 Very well said. Thanks.
Trades are inherently always trades for contracts.
Aside from the improvements a team needs on the ice, what all involved teams ALWAYS want are better contracts under their cap structure.
So naturally, one-on-one, you would only trade:
Bad for bad,
good for good contracts.
Of course there's no such rule, but if you're worse off contract wise after a trade, you'll at least want compensation within that trade, until it's fair again (draft picks, salary retained, etc).
Sometimes when hearing trade ideas I find myself thinking that GM's can only ever slowly improve their overall contracts architecture.
If they are smart and got the right expertise they might quickly improve their teams ON-ICE (short term), while still dealing with an overload of really really bad contracts long term that might become even more of an overload because these short term on-ice improvements cost them.
As a Leafs fan I'm always afraid that that's exactly them. I might be totally wrong with that whole contracts theory and multiple bad contracts might be solved faster than I think. In that case I'd still like to know what experts think are good or bad contracts on the Leafs and why they think a specific bad contract is actually moveable.
I wouldn't trade Marner until February. He won't bring much in return NOW (certainly no Theodore). February is when GM's are likely to overpay. Today the Leafs would rather have to pay compensation, or so it feels.
Your pod cast as well as the “The Tip In” keep it real about the Leafs!.
wing Marner, center Petterson, Tkachuk have identical age, goals, assists, plus-minus, salary, just Tkachuk with much lower shooting %. All three would be top player/ scorer on half the teams in the League. Marner could feed center Miller and Boeser, Petterson (6'2, hardest shot) could center wing Nylander.
I am trying to will this into existence, but i want a nashville saros for marner swap
Marner and Robertson for Theodore, Thompson and Roy
Aaron Ekblad would be a solid piece for Leafs. problem is florida don't really need a mitch marner.
That would never happen anyway
@@user-mt4ks4su3m never say never. He has not been at his best for most of the playoffs... Gustav forsling is the best defenseman in Florida, a guy picked up on waivers. Imagine that.
@marcusberggren9241 no the leafs would never trade marner for ekblad
Carolina trades Necas for Mariner.
there's only 2 possibilities they are st.louis for binnington or Nashville for saros...
Leafs fans believe they will receive something good in exchange for Mitch Marner and Everybody else knows that nobody is interested in getting Marner Contract. A guy who is well known through the league as a Missing player in Action (MIA) when the playoff start.
And after the year they don’t have to give anything up for him
Marner to Vegas for Petriangelo and Aiden Hill.
I'm sure the leafs would love that lol
Terrible for the leafs. Pietrangelo is 34 and Hill isn’t good
@@BranDon-xm2pp so that's good then because Leafs need to lose
@BranDon-xm2pp What Hill is good in the regular season and great in the playoffs
Worst trade ive ever seen
its incredible that Leafs nation does not realize that the entire value in moving Marner is what term he has left..nobody is giving up a ton for a 1 year rental 🙄
How about Mitch Marner to Vancouver?
Delusional
No one is giving the leafs anything for him
If they want to move him, the leafs are going to have to attach a sweetener
why would klingberg sign a 775,000 in toronto?
its never been the same since he got that contract
new jersey is a team that could use marner and they have cap space and they are 1 or 2 pieces away from a playoff run. also the leafs could use 1 or 2 defencemen on nj
I could see Mitch Marner as a LA Kings.. Its very much possible.. 💯💯
03:51 There's gotta be a better way to say that
Vegas get two cheap options because no Vegas state tax after this Hague and Theodore trade
Pietrangelo Hanifin
Mcnabb. Schenn
White Cloud Gudas
Marner for Josh doan+, help out Utah and the leafs need the cap space and more north south players like knies for Berube
Marner for San Jose 1 st pick done
Chicago works if Jones at 75% straight up for Mitch. Gives leaf’s 3 mil of cap and jones will be better on a better team. Jones is over paid at 9.5 but at 7?
I know Toronto fans will hate this and why would they deal with Ottawa, but would Chychrun + Batherson + Bostons 1st round pick for Marner make sense for Toronto?
Why trade Marner if he is elite?
He's going to want more money and the Leafs need to allocate that money more effectively. They have holes to fill and moving on from Marner would make those necessary changes easier.
Did you really just say that like Gretzky wasn't traded in his career?
What about Seattle? /adam continues to talk over everyone
Keller and Durzi for Marner
Wtf
leafs fans are overvaluing Marner
a player who consistently gets around 100 points and plays in all situations...of course we are going to value marner high!
@@sals79 Despite the face he NEVER has gotten 100 points!
@@creepyrobsta5509
sorry...99 points!! talk about nitpicking...jesus christ!!
@@sals79 It not a nitpick. Would you call a guy a continual 50 goal scorer who has never scored 50 goals? Mithc Marner is cloer to a 60 point scorer then he is a 90 point scorer as he hit 60 range 4 times but only the 90 range 3 times, and never a 100 points scorer!
@@creepyrobsta5509
i said AROUND 100 points.
Do they need a better goalie? Could consider a trade to Carolina for Kochetkov. Or the isles for Varlamov, but guessing Marner doesn’t want to go to a non-contender. Get Carolina to throw in another good player and a pick. Then go after some cheap ufa’s. Pat Kane had signed a super cheap deal with Detroit last year, and played excellent. Offer him a 2 year deal for $3.5 mill per, he would take it. Toffoli and or Monahan will sign cheaper contracts. Sign guys like this with the freed up cap space from Marner.
Andersen, Xhekaj and 3nd for marner
NOBODY should care what value Marner brings to another team. He didn't bring it in Toronto despite multiple playoff attempts. Its too bad but the Leafs need to move on and get more of a balanced roster within the cap. Spread the scoring around, add more size/grit/intangibles. Period.
Sure, you can talk to his agent and lawyer plus the judge who looks the "no-trade" clause part and laughs at you.
Buffalo, Toronto gets 1 of Byram or Power plus
You need to all brace yourselves for the possibility that Mitch stays for another year. And no "he's going to play in fourth line and fans will hate him" won't cut as reason why he would be traded. If there isn't deal available to destination he wants, there's nothing Leafs can do and it will be just like before. It's CHILDISH to think you force player with no-trade clause to leave with example for 4th line demotion, it would mean that no player IN ENTIRE LEAGUE would like go to Leafs and you jeopardize relationship with all the players. Leafs and Dubas did the contract with him, so saying now to him "you must leave" is BEYOND STUPID. So Dangle is full of bs.
Finally, a guy with a brain on UA-cam.
I dont understand how people don't realize this
I mean ya, but what should they do on the pod? Talk about how no one is ever gonna get traded and nothing will happen?
Also, dangle is full of "bs" for speculating on potential trades where a trade might happen? Get a grip my guy
@@JTAPtv Sure you can, just acknowledge that trades are fantasy by fans. Since Leafs don't decide where Mitch goes, Mitch decides where Mitch goes. It's really simple as that. So you need to build the trades based into where he would like to go.
Yeah lets trade a point a game guy when you don't score enough goals.
Sounds like the Jay's management group.
He's a marshmallow in the playoffs ..
I know it would never happen. Im not dilusional. I get it haha. But man. I would love to see a line of marner Nazar and Bedard
Crazy talk. Just resign him. He'll probably want around 15M/y but being a team guy, he'd settle for team friendly discount 12,5M / 8 years.
Buchnevich and Parayko for Marner and Liljegren. Book it
If torotnot threw in a few 1rst round picks maybe.
Pareko is a top pairing D under contract.
Buchneyvich for Marner heads up maybe as Toronto gets cap and a player that fits need better.
@@safertobeanonymous2224 Parayko is a top 4 Dman on the wrong side of 30 with like 7 years left at 6.5, and back issues.
This is coming from a blues fan, I love him, but I just don’t think he fits their window for real.
That's a proposal I've seen, and one I like. I think it fits multiple needs for the Leafs. Salary change is pretty even for next year so it doesn't really help with capspace, but would give them an upgrade on defence and a solid forward to replace Marner and someone who plays a different style of game.
How much has Buchnevich played as a centre? Would give them some nice depth down the middle, even as a winger I think it could be a really nice fit.
@@alexleblanc5926
He’s been experimented as C for short periods of time over the past two years. It hasn’t gone terribly well, or at least not well enough to dislodge Schenn as 2C.
@@alexleblanc5926 he’s experimented at center for parts of this and last year. It’s gone poorly enough that he hasn’t displaced Schenn as our 2C, so idk that it’d be an upgrade.
Trade with a team that has cap space for a young player/s and picks. Use the cap space to get what you need now and at the trade deadline. Bring in Montour, Pesce and keep Lybushkin instead of always wasting your picks on him!
So… Marner to Columbus?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Just as a fan of Hockey and being a biased Canadian I would love too see Marner somehow make his way to Edmonto he's far away from us and we get to watch him light the league up with McDavid and Draisaitl
Marner for Nurse, Holloway, 2025 1st Rd Pick. Hahaha the Toronto Meeeeeedia would have a breakdown.
I dont think it HAS to be a contender he will go to, Mitch wants to be THE guy and be paid as such, so I can see him being willing to go to a up and coming team where he can be that and get paid as such.
Ok Here’s a “what about?”
What about
Carolina sends:
Orlov Defmen
Drury Center
3rd 2025
Toronto sends:
Marner RW
5th 2024
Leafs don’t have time for draft picks to develop, Jesse’s right. Players and cap space, that is it. AIM for Vince Dunn. That’s the target
You know how the Leafs make trades then later realize how bone-headed it was?
Leafs are not winning any marner trade. Thats assuming he will waive his no trade clause. Marner has huberdeau written all over him and the NHL teams know it.
LOL, wrong.
What are you basing this off of?
hardly. Marner is 3 years younger and has a longer history of scoring lots of points. also, Marner gets to choose where he goes, Huberdeau didn't. that matters. the value of Marner is that he makes other good/great players better
@@ilfautdanser9121 Marner deciding where he goes decreases his trade value for the Leafs😂
@@SublimedHazenot really tho like at all
also, it owuld be funny if marner got traded to Jersey to play under Keefe again
You can have ONE defenseman.
Hague stays in Vegas!!!!
These guys have awful takes regularly. The only reason you trade a prime 100 pt scorer is because he disappears in the playoffs when it matters most. Why would a contender do that? 16 is not the missing piece for a contender.
Remember mitch has a no trade, but if he'd waive I'd look to Anaheim maybe a gibson and a drysdale/McTavish back
Drysdale was traded to the Flyers earlier this year.
I don't see the Ducks looking to make that type of move at this point. I also don't see Marner waiving to go to a team in Anaheims position.
Gosh, you are correct sir. I do remember the trade now. Drysdale is a nice piece for any team
Since we are already doing stupid mock trades, and Kyle Dubas LOOOOOOOOOOVES his guys...
Marner for EK65, straight up one for one.
Nemec, Palat, and a first for Marner.
Leafs would laugh the devil's outta the league
Honestly wish Bruins could afford him.
Saros and schenn for marner
Marner has been my favourite leaf since he came and ill be sad to see such an all around guy go
Ain't no way your serious bruh☠️
If he goes anywhere, which I doubt he will because why would he take a huge risk on a contract year, it will be to a team that is trying to make the playoffs. He doesn’t do well in the playoffs. He is a regular season superstar which can be great. A team trying to make a deep run is not going to sink 11 mill into a playoff ghost.
I would do Marner for Theodore and a 2nd + 3rd round picks
Alternative trade: Marner and Robertson for Theodore (20% retained) and a 1st + 2nd round picks
@Michael-pg7rv vegas dosnt have a 1st rounder till 2027, don't think Toronto wants to wait that long for the pick.
Would never happen
Theadore and Thompson
Roy and Shea for Marner
To the Canucks for Hronek, Silovs and and couple draft picks
No way we trade silovs
U thinking demko but u give us woll
I would say that Dangle and Jesse lost their minds, but I really don't think there was anything there to begin with...