I don't like the term "get over this" as a trauma therapist, this is what many people tell someone who has experienced trauma, whether the experience was a result of your own mistakes and/or addictive behaviors. Unresolved trauma causes PTSD symptoms or PTSD type symptoms, these need to be processed, felt and a resolution found. It won't be forgotten, it's about earning from it and not let it control.
Excellent point. As someone who has gone to therapy in individual sessions the concept of "getting over" trauma is one of the most unproductive things you can say. Instead a better method is to get under the trauma, which means not only identifying the negative self talk that locks us into traumatic experiences but seeking out the psychological roots of that negative self talk. "Getting over" as opposed to engaging with and, as you point out, learning from, tragic life experiences does little to move the person forward. I also found it unhelpful that she deferred to the opinion of other members in the group to bolster her "get over it" recommendation when talking to Eric. Meanwhile, none of the other members had any detailed understanding of what he was living with.
It seems as if it would further add to the trauma and increase anxiety bc now they are probably viewing themselves as not good enough. And bc they deal with this trauma on a recurring basis, they feel like a failure bc "getting over it" is not like a light switch that they can simply just switch on or off. In fact they may never "get over it," and they should know that that's ok, and in just knowing that, they actually begin to heal.
agreed, I cringed every time I heard this phrase, but I also think she was just referencing what he initially stated. I think she should've corrected the phrase into something like, "Heal from this"
I will say this, a blanket therapy approach does not work in the long-run for people. In a group format, ppl will naturally seek belonging--even saying and doing things which they don't actually believe are true. An effective therapist will always be two steps ahead of what the participant is already assuming in their mind, in this way the therapist continually challenges the participants to think in different ways; individually, not simply collectively.
Those guilts do control how we feel. However, reversing what we have done and turn it into positive outcomes. Giving back is the key to self rewarding. Guilt is not easy to.just get over. The car wreck can be taken moreso as a life lesson a warning to not ever do it again. I feel like this counseling is ok but getting over it is easier said then done
I Sure would like to know who produced this for I can make a proper citation for my paper. Thanks. Excellent examples and was very helpful for my first faciliation yesterday.
True but you also can't beat yourself up about it everyday, that is how people end up on drugs and or committing suicide. Maybe finding a way to give back would be better
@@christianhouston2904 100% Moralistic comments can change someone’s life forever too, like drive them to drink and make stupid choices like drink-driving.
I find this video is really helpful as I am about to complete my degree in counseling and am poised to venture into the profession of Counseling and Family Therapy. Thanks for posting this.
Teaching psychodynamic theory in group In reality: group thinks you're an asshole 🙄 ...he keeps interrupting the clients speaking without validating anything they shared. This is a terrible example of how to facilitate a group!
Oskar, I too am puzzled after reading your comment : " No conscience, no values, no ethic, no morals ". What the hell are we teaching people? Everyone should ask this question to their own minds.
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Self talk controls how you feel? OMG! What rubbish! Have you ever had a conversation with another person and they start self-talking? They look like idiots!
Theoretically she could get Eric to feel good about the car wreck. She could have Eric repeatedly tell himself that the kid deserved it. It's called propaganda. Countries always do it
That is ludicrous. That is not what she is trying to accomplish. She wants him to let go of the constant debilitating guilt that consumes him and keeps him from going forward in life. NOT to be ok with what he did!
Wait. WAIT. The therapist allowed the “the kid ending up in a wheelchair due to a car wreck” to be casually followed by “not being a supportive friend”???? I sincerely hope Eric was there of his own free will (and not bullied into group therapy...) bc that is an irresponsible level of care for everyone involved if those types of discussions were compressed like it seems it is in this video.
Not true. What you deal with in therapy is the same concept and the same people irregardless of the difference in events. You change the thoughts to change the feelings which then changes the behaviour, bringing about healthy functioning of the human which is the main aim. We train the mind not to make the event be bigger than the thought or else you never make the changes in the thought. The human with the bigger situation is still a human just like everyone else, and should be assisted to function in the same environment and society equally as others.
You're missing the point. And no, actual group sessions are not this brief. They're showing snippets as example and the DIVERSITY of events and circumstances that leads to the SAME feeling of shame and guilt. And by this sharing of thought and feelings (vulnerability) in DIFFERENT situations that builds understanding and compassion for themselves and knowing that we're not alone in this feeling despite our differences. See how the therapist had the group participate in showing their support for Eric.
What is there to learn from this trashy video? Look at the case of Eric. He doesn't WANT to "get over" the car wreck that put another man into a wheelchair. He feels he deserves the guilt. The blaming scripts that the facilitator says are running in his mind, are what he believes he deserves. Sure, he could change them, but he doesn't believe that he has the right, when someone else's life was changed so dramatically. Then throwing his mental health up for group vote? What value is there in that? Who knows how the rest of the group will vote in practice. Surely our understanding of the subjectivity of emotions and cognition demonstrate that a group vote on whether Eric should continue to feel guilty or not will not change how he feels. He needs to understand his guilt, what purpose it serves. Understand his own moral compunction, recognise the strength he has to carry this burden. He needs acceptance, self-compassion, self-forgiveness. I don't see how the group therapy we've watched here can provide anything he needs.
I sense that you are worried because Eric needs to empower himself more and take greater responsibility for his emotions and needs. A group vote might make Eric feel less empowered to make his own good choices of how he can deal with his problem. When I read your comments, however, I also noticed a lot of judgements that seem to imply he has no choice as well: he doesn't want to..., he feels..., he believes..., he needs to, he has to..., I don't see how... .
I don't like the term "get over this" as a trauma therapist, this is what many people tell someone who has experienced trauma, whether the experience was a result of your own mistakes and/or addictive behaviors. Unresolved trauma causes PTSD symptoms or PTSD type symptoms, these need to be processed, felt and a resolution found. It won't be forgotten, it's about earning from it and not let it control.
Excellent point. As someone who has gone to therapy in individual sessions the concept of "getting over" trauma is one of the most unproductive things you can say. Instead a better method is to get under the trauma, which means not only identifying the negative self talk that locks us into traumatic experiences but seeking out the psychological roots of that negative self talk. "Getting over" as opposed to engaging with and, as you point out, learning from, tragic life experiences does little to move the person forward. I also found it unhelpful that she deferred to the opinion of other members in the group to bolster her "get over it" recommendation when talking to Eric. Meanwhile, none of the other members had any detailed understanding of what he was living with.
It seems as if it would further add to the trauma and increase anxiety bc now they are probably viewing themselves as not good enough. And bc they deal with this trauma on a recurring basis, they feel like a failure bc "getting over it" is not like a light switch that they can simply just switch on or off. In fact they may never "get over it," and they should know that that's ok, and in just knowing that, they actually begin to heal.
Totally agree
@@raymondharvey1821 Yes, coming back to the client feeling like, "Why CAN'T I get over it??" "I SHOULD be able to get over this!" etctecetc
agreed, I cringed every time I heard this phrase, but I also think she was just referencing what he initially stated. I think she should've corrected the phrase into something like, "Heal from this"
This is an excellent series, please detail the source of them so that i may seek further enlightenment!
I will say this, a blanket therapy approach does not work in the long-run for people. In a group format, ppl will naturally seek belonging--even saying and doing things which they don't actually believe are true. An effective therapist will always be two steps ahead of what the participant is already assuming in their mind, in this way the therapist continually challenges the participants to think in different ways; individually, not simply collectively.
Reminds me of peer review
How do you achieve that?
Very good lesson. Thanks. May God bless your group
It is awesome to have the opportunity to work with these great minds directly.
Liz, your training, skills and insight are very good
"Let me teach you something "
In reality: whole group shuts down
Yup the “expert” approach ... “thats a new thing for most of you right” “that a new concept for you right?”
@@dloren6183 I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean.
Michelle Lee Im quoting what she said
@@dloren6183 oh sorry. I was confused. Yes I agree 😀
Those guilts do control how we feel. However, reversing what we have done and turn it into positive outcomes. Giving back is the key to self rewarding. Guilt is not easy to.just get over.
The car wreck can be taken moreso as a life lesson a warning to not ever do it again.
I feel like this counseling is ok but getting over it is easier said then done
As a man thinks, so he is.
We can change by renewing our minds.
I appreciate this resource but can you tell me what company produced it? Thanks!
I Sure would like to know who produced this for I can make a proper citation for my paper. Thanks. Excellent examples and was very helpful for my first faciliation yesterday.
You cannot and should not just “get over” a car accident where you were under the influence and changed someone’s life forever
True but you also can't beat yourself up about it everyday, that is how people end up on drugs and or committing suicide. Maybe finding a way to give back would be better
@@christianhouston2904 100% Moralistic comments can change someone’s life forever too, like drive them to drink and make stupid choices like drink-driving.
I find this video is really helpful as I am about to complete my degree in counseling and am poised to venture into the profession of Counseling and Family Therapy. Thanks for posting this.
"Where does my guilt come from?" Where was this question when I needed it?
The second guy was kind of unprofessional. "does this make you feel dumb?". WTF
REBT is essentially Philosophy - which makes it very difficult to navigate.
REBT is the forefather of CBT
Teaching psychodynamic theory in group
In reality: group thinks you're an asshole 🙄 ...he keeps interrupting the clients speaking without validating anything they shared. This is a terrible example of how to facilitate a group!
I was thinking the same thing. This isn’t a classroom, this is therapy. So many things stated during this group that we’re just wrong.
This reminds me of cbt technique events thoughts and feelings
Wow ❗ this is great 👍
Oskar, I too am puzzled after reading your comment : " No conscience, no values, no ethic, no morals ".
What the hell are we teaching people?
Everyone should ask this question to their own minds.
“Are you the dumb one?” Lol WHAT
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This was incredibly helpful. Thank you!
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can i apply these theory on drug rehabilitation??
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Self talk controls how you feel? OMG! What rubbish! Have you ever had a conversation with another person and they start self-talking? They look like idiots!
No conscience, no values, no ethic, no morals. What the hell are we teaching people?
Thank you for sharing this
It doesnt matter what you tell yourself it doesnt make it true !!
Theoretically she could get Eric to feel good about the car wreck. She could have Eric repeatedly tell himself that the kid deserved it. It's called propaganda. Countries always do it
That is ludicrous. That is not what she is trying to accomplish. She wants him to let go of the constant debilitating guilt that consumes him and keeps him from going forward in life. NOT to be ok with what he did!
Again. The 1st word. Theoretically. And countries do that. Look up propaganda. It dehumanizing the enemy
I’m a counselor and I think I’m going to try this next time
Wait. WAIT. The therapist allowed the “the kid ending up in a wheelchair due to a car wreck” to be casually followed by “not being a supportive friend”???? I sincerely hope Eric was there of his own free will (and not bullied into group therapy...) bc that is an irresponsible level of care for everyone involved if those types of discussions were compressed like it seems it is in this video.
Not true. What you deal with in therapy is the same concept and the same people irregardless of the difference in events. You change the thoughts to change the feelings which then changes the behaviour, bringing about healthy functioning of the human which is the main aim. We train the mind not to make the event be bigger than the thought or else you never make the changes in the thought. The human with the bigger situation is still a human just like everyone else, and should be assisted to function in the same environment and society equally as others.
You're missing the point.
And no, actual group sessions are not this brief. They're showing snippets as example and the DIVERSITY of events and circumstances that leads to the SAME feeling of shame and guilt. And by this sharing of thought and feelings (vulnerability) in DIFFERENT situations that builds understanding and compassion for themselves and knowing that we're not alone in this feeling despite our differences. See how the therapist had the group participate in showing their support for Eric.
Typo error....counseling. Great information. Thanks
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What is there to learn from this trashy video? Look at the case of Eric. He doesn't WANT to "get over" the car wreck that put another man into a wheelchair. He feels he deserves the guilt. The blaming scripts that the facilitator says are running in his mind, are what he believes he deserves. Sure, he could change them, but he doesn't believe that he has the right, when someone else's life was changed so dramatically. Then throwing his mental health up for group vote? What value is there in that? Who knows how the rest of the group will vote in practice. Surely our understanding of the subjectivity of emotions and cognition demonstrate that a group vote on whether Eric should continue to feel guilty or not will not change how he feels. He needs to understand his guilt, what purpose it serves. Understand his own moral compunction, recognise the strength he has to carry this burden. He needs acceptance, self-compassion, self-forgiveness. I don't see how the group therapy we've watched here can provide anything he needs.
I sense that you are worried because Eric needs to empower himself more and take greater responsibility for his emotions and needs. A group vote might make Eric feel less empowered to make his own good choices of how he can deal with his problem.
When I read your comments, however, I also noticed a lot of judgements that seem to imply he has no choice as well: he doesn't want to..., he feels..., he believes..., he needs to, he has to..., I don't see how... .